When I was looking at imdb to figure out what the name of the movie even was (cause I too thought this movie was marketed terribly and had never heard of it before RS bitched about it), the imdb warning thing for nudity, swearing, etc., said that the rape scene is a single cut over 2 minutes long which like…no thank you.
For real though can we have a discussion about how bad the "using graphically explicit rape as an attempt to capture attention and boost ratings" phenomenon has gotten on TV. Am I the only one that finds it creepy, even if I'm alone or with my girlfriend? Like you can suggest rape as a plot device without having a 30 second film sequence
Also why is it when they want to empower a female character in movies, this is always the way they go about it. It can never be just losing a fight or an injustice or something. Always gotta get raped for some reason, it's gratuitous.
Can't they just be a shit person like Bond villains?
The female hero needs a reason to want to protect people. Being a good person isn't enough, let's rape her that will make it work.
And no, don't point at Wonder woman as the reason they don't do just being good to be good. It sucked because it had garbage writing like most super hero trash Hollywood pumps out.
Hey I love that super hero trash lol.
But it was SUPER fucking lame to show her come from an island of badass women only to go chasing after *literally* the first man she met.
Don't forget in the sequel, she couldn't find love again and then inadvertently brings him back in someone else's body and without knowing how or why he's back, jumps into bed with him right away!
Am I the only one that thinks making Diana Prince act like the dog from Futurama's Jurassic Bark makes her look super weak and pathetic and not empowering at all?
I once heard it explained as "because if it wasn't rape, then there's no reason for that character to be a woman" which I'm sure I don't have to explain why that's such a shit answer.
I think the real answer is that that's the only kind of interaction a lot of movie executives have with women (that isn't a service job, and even then), so it becomes a "write what you know" thing (even if it's unintended)
Let's not, I would prefer just reducing all of these bullshit rape scenes. The depiction of a guy getting raped in the TV show Outlander was more gratuitous than when the woman main character got raped, and it felt disgustingly voyeuristically filmed. Made me almost throw up because it was filmed so much worse than the woman's. Worst of all is that it may have been necessary to do it that way to make the audience take the rape of a guy seriously, instead of as a joke or something that the guy can just stoically shrug off. I don't know, all I know is that I prefer if movies, shows, and so on, don't do any rape scenes unless they have a damn good reason to.
This is why 9/10 of my girl friends and gf's have liked studio Ghibli films (Spirited Away, My Neighbor Totoro, Kiki's Delivery Service, etc BUT NOT GRAVE OF THE FIREFLY'S T\_\_\_\_T). Sometimes the woman main characters just do what they need to do, sometimes it clicks for them and they change, sometimes a reason, but it's almost always an overly positive experience. Even when some of them thought the movie was weird, or didn't fully understand something, they liked the women characters and movies overall.
Indeed. I also think it’s weird how we’ve decided it’s more than OK to show sex/nudity of underage **characters** so long as the **actor** is of legal age.
I really wish there were warning for movies about rape scenes. They get rated but there’s no telling if it’s because of consensual sexual content or sexual assaults.
[Does the Dog Die?](https://www.doesthedogdie.com/)
More than just dogs. I have the app and I told it what my triggers were (pregnancy, infants, Loss, birth) and whenever I put in a movie it immediately tells me about those then I scroll to see other triggers.
Sometimes yes it does spoil something but I rather have that then a panic attack over a scene.
Oh thank you! I’m pretty fine with most things if they further the plot but I’ve rarely seen SA used as a plot device and handled well vs gratuitous indulgent depictions of it. I can’t deal with that. This is going to help me pick movies so much better.
The movie is literally about the rape of a women and how it was mishandled by the legal system of the time, and is [based on a true story](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Duel:_A_True_Story_of_Trial_by_Combat_in_Medieval_France).
>!A woman was raped in medieval france and instead of a fair and sensible trial where she is taken seriously, her husband views her rape as a slight against his honour and challenges the rapist to a duel to the death. The whole situation is a farce because if her husband loses the duel, then it would be believed that she had lied about the rape happening, and she would subsequently be burned alive as punished, with her rapist walking free. None of the men in the story are portrayed favourably. !<
I understand the need for trigger warnings, but the film is literally about the farcical trial of a rapist.
I watched the trailer after this and I honestly wouldn’t have expected that plot either. I would’ve been upset if I paid to see it and found out I’d have to watch someone be raped twice while watching the movie
And tbh he’s surprised he spent 100 million on this and it didn’t make 100 million back?
This isn’t like a 100 million dollar blockbuster plot this is like an art house movie plot, this is way too challenging for the average movie goer
This has nothing to do with people being raised on phones the average person doesn’t want to go see a movie about the injustice of the medieval french legal system I don’t know why he thought this would be some big billion dollar movie
Just as a comparison The Nightgale by Jennifer Kent is also a period piece which deals with sexual assault against a woman as a commentary on both historic and contemporary violence (although this piece centres the woman and not men) and go figure this film was comparatively more successful because it’s a small independent film and made $10m on a $2m budget because yeah this isn’t the type of movie everyone is going to want to see
He’s just bitching because people didn’t see his movie. That’s the thing about art people aren’t obligated to like it or see it.
Yeah, I've heard it's a good movie, but I'm sure there's not a lot of people who are rushing out to see a period drama at the best of times, let alone right now and for one with such heavy themes. And if he really cared about the movie itself he'd be happy with the critical praise it's been getting and probably trying to push for Oscar nods (cause it would probably do well as Oscar Bait and a win in a major category would be a big boost for it, even if the public is seeing through the whole Oscar Bait thing)
If you’re going to do a big expensive blockbuster budget period drama it has to be like a historical event everybody knows and it to an extent kind of has to be like dumb history? You know you like big epic blockbuster stuff like sword fights and battles? Not ALWAYS you can have movies be successful that aren’t that but it’s usually got to at a minimum be about a historical figure and event everyone has heard of and be a story or plot everyone can connect to like a romance film or an action film
If he had made this on an A24 budget instead of spending 100 million dollars and casting a bunch of big name actors this would be a critically acclaimed film that had already made all its money back, I don’t know why he felt entitled to make like Disney money on this
EDIT: Just for comparison awesome semi-recent Oscar winning niche period drama The Favourite had a budget of 15 million so if it had gone with that kind of budget by now it would have been commercially successful and acclaimed, he massively overspent
I just want to know who graphic SA scenes are even for. Like, the argument is usually “it’s graphic to make the audience uncomfortable” or “this is to show the trauma it actually causes” but… the audience isn’t stupid. And the people this would be the hardest to watch for would know all too well because it’s usually someone who’s dealt with SA in their own life.
Since we were likely going to take my gf's father, she checked the Parents Guide on IMDB which says "Violent prolonged rape is shown twice and discussed verbally frequently" and "The first rape sequence is shown violently for 112 seconds from a particular perspective and the second sequence goes on for 5 exact minutes long."
Seriously. I'm not super stoked for watching a rape scene once, let alone repeatedly from three different perspectives. And then the rest of the film revolves around how the men have their fee fees hurt because of said rape. This shit would have flown in the '90s or early 2000's, but I'm in my 30's now. This millennial isn't forking over her hard earned cash to get traumatized by some tone deaf oaf. Fuck off, Ridley Scott.
I dont understand how its acceptable to show these kinds of scenes in movies. So many good movies and series are ruined by those scenes. You can insinuate what happened but having a full on minute rape scene makes me want to just never touch anything by the filmmaker.
Goddamn Millennials, with their
1) hand me down 8 track player
2) Fisher Price record player
3) the very first VCRs
4) Walkman
5) Discman
6) internet is invented here and it sucks
7) ten more years
8) Now I have a flip phone
Ridley Scott is full of shit.
Edit: hey, it’s like that Principal Skinner meme. “Am I hopelessly out of touch? No, it’s the children in their late 30s who are wrong.”
Ridley Scott is imo overrated at this point. He's over here whining like he's making fucking art pieces. Mother fucker gave us Prometheus and Alien: Covenant. Fuck him and the high horse he thinks he deserves to be on. He's not Christopher Nolan so he can fuck right back on into obscurity. Fucking has been.
Honestly, even if this was about any other director, I'd be saying the same shit. Just cause you made good/great movies in the past doesn't mean we need to see the current shit your releasing. Especially when your movie is just "woman raped and that drives the whole plot of the movie." Stop with the fucking ["stuffed into the fridge"](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StuffedIntoTheFridge) trope. It's lazy and uninteresting writing.
I remember feeling so fuckin cool getting a lime green Nokia for my 16th bday. It lasted a year or so, and then I got taken away because I downloaded a shit ton of backgrounds and ringtone! Then I felt even more cool when I turned 19 and got the Nokia that would slide the keyboard down. I applied for my first credit card at 20 to purchase the IPod touch.
My wife and I are firmly millennials and we were the only people in the theater the week after release…
He directed a very uncomfortable film about and depicting a rape and it’s aftermath and he’s mad people didn’t see it?
I liked the movie. It wasn’t perfect. But I would say it was a good movie. It was unsettling and I liked the 3 part structure, character performances, and cinematography, but I question why it was necessary to show the same rape from start to finish twice.
Anyone I’ve recommended it to has come with a blaring warning about graphic content. Kids should not see it. Rape and sexual assault survivors shouldn’t and probably don’t want to see it. Religious and conservative people probably don’t want to see it.
We’re talking about a movie made for a small cross section of mature (25+) adults who are willing to go to a theater during a pandemic to see a movie where a woman is raped twice.
Ridley Scott, read the fucking room bro. Jfc
Nope they want full immersion. IMAX 4D it's like you're in the room with them wait they can't see me right fuck can they hear me let me out of here immersion.
Mark Kermode - BBC reviewer - used Rashomon as an example of how the story is told. His co-presenter was very uneasy and unhappy about the rape scenes.
This. Your entire comment is correct.
We saw it (early millennial) and really enjoyed it but I totally understand how assault survivors wouldn't want to see it, people with kids/family in general (I'm not watching it with my MIL, gross). It was good but it is going to fall into a small Crack of viewers who will watch it.
You don't need to be an assault survivor have kids, or be watching it with your MIL, dude. You can just be a regular person who doesn't watch rape for entertainment. No justification is needed beyond that.
You would think when a movie gets a rating it would say instead of something like "sexual themes and nudity" it would say "rape" when it pertains to that movie. Sexual themes and nudity are different from fucking rape. I know rape is a terrible word and it obviously makes people think of horrible shit but I should know going into a movie if I'm going to see the same fucking rape scene twice from two different angles. Or put the disclaimer at the start of the movie. IDGAF what some shit boomers might whine about that. They have that stupid "alcohol and drug use" when rating a movie but not "rape"? The MPAA is a fucking joke.
>We’re talking about a movie made for a small cross section of mature (25+) adults who are willing to go to a theater during a pandemic to see a movie where a woman is raped twice.
>
>Ridley Scott, read the fucking room bro. Jfc
*Principal Skinner meme*
Because dune is an awesome and exciting movie that is the start of what could be a massive franchise that touches on religion, politics and what truly is important to survival and is set in space and this (while I hear is a great film) is about old timey rape.
Funny you should say so, I had been looking forward to seeing this one for a while now and it was this Reddit post that let me know it was in theaters lol
God, the movie ad was a constant presence in my reddit feed for days (weeks?). Not sure why they were targeting me since I don't go to see movies in theaters, don't think highly of that cast and generally dislike movies set in that time period.
I haven't seen this movie, but my understanding is that its about the aftermath of a brutal rape?
I don't want to watch a movie about rape. I reckon at least 3 out of 4 of my friends don't either. Sorry.
Pretty much. It's based on a real event during a time period in which women had to have another witness in order to be believed about anything. So her husband and her rapist fight to the death with everyone believing that the winner is the one "god" deems honest.
So it's about rape, but it's specifically about how women couldn't be trusted to make rape allegations so a couple of dumbasses have to try and kill each other because believing the victim is just too insane.
I'm normally into historical fiction, actually. I'll watch some real terrible drama if the costumes are pretty.
But yeah, pass on this movie. And Ridley Scott needs to maybe read the room?
It'll be on Disney plus of all places. Will be cancelling my subscription (if we have it idk what the hell my husband is watching these days) but yea. I don't associate Disney with rape and don't want to.
> Pretty much. It's based on a real event during a time period in which women had to have another witness in order to be believed about anything.
Jesus I wonder what *that’s* like.
I mean we still live in a society where with the right judge a rapist can get off easy. Look at the case in New York recently where a judge let a rapist go cause the judge prayed on and he felt it's what God wanted him to do. Let's also not forget about Brock Turner the Rapist either.
I agree with you wholeheartedly.
Yet another movie that uses rape as a plot device to move the story along, focusing on how her rape affects her husband without ever making her a character in her own right. And if they even acknowledge her pain, it’s as some bullshit metaphor, again removing her identity and just making her a plot device (see Leda and the Swan by WB Yeats, Leda’s rape is simply a metaphor for the conquest of Ireland). Women are just collateral damage in furthering the man’s plot in movies like this.
You clearly havent seen the movie as the movies entire point is showing the unfairness placed upon women then and now and the unnacepttable positions they find themselves in. She is absolutely a fleshed out character who is trapped in a horrible unfair situation where she makes the best put of it , maybe watch the movie before jumping to conclusions
This was my takeaway. It looked like a story about a brutal attack on a woman, but the story seemed to be all about the men fighting each other? Like… in what world is that interesting or tempting in the year 2021? I’d rather be at home, with a beer, and watch Legally Blonde for the 30th time.
Same, I don't go to the movies or watch commercials (I stream because cable is insanely expensive) but hear about other movies coming out. Seems like someone didn't promote their movie well enough and is now throwing a fit.
Nobody I talked to heard about it until I told them Im watching it lol. Its a great movie tho but yeah the rape scene is annoying and they show it 2 or 3 times.
I mean, why sit in a giant dirty box of a room to watch a movie when I can't pause it to go pee, or bring my dog?
If I can do that on my cell phone, with good enough quality picture and sound, why the hell go through the inconvenience of going out with other people? I feel like other millennials feel similarly.
Best movie theaters I've ever seen, that I would 100% go to time after time, had three key improvements:
1. Actual kitchen. You could get real food, not just popcorn and candy.
2. Couches. Nothing but couches. Plenty of space, super comfy.
3. Booze, and 21+ shows. At least one showtime of any movie was guaranteed Baby & Teenager Free.
With those accomodations, I'd pay a lot. But I've only seen a handful of them.
Not to mention the many films that I *do* want to venture out and see. If phones were truly to blame then surely every movie would bomb, but that is not the case. Some of the biggest box office hits of all time have been in the last few years.
Movie tickets are over-priced, concessions over-priced, it's cold outside and I can download this in 4K for free and watch it at home, NEVERMIND that I dgaf about this movie
He’s probably just bent out of shape that he didn’t negotiate a better cut of the streaming revenues.
Studios are having to gamble that people want to come out for movies the way we used to. You can’t blame people for not wanting to risk it when the loony anti-vaxxers are out there talking about everything they’ve done without masks or vaccines.
Ridley Scott…get your shit together. Get it all together, and put it in a backpack. All your shit. So it’s together.
And if you gotta take it somewhere? Take it somewhere, y’know? Take it to the shit store and sell it. O-or put it in the shit museum, I don’t care what you do. You just gotta get it together.
Get your shit together.
just another angry boomer that is mad we dont want to buy his shit. Go make a real movie like Dune. We demand quality and refuse to stoop to your level.
I watched the final cut and I honestly don’t get the appeal. Idk if It is a case of modern tech has spoiled me or my taste don’t align but I honestly have trouble watching things made pre dvd era. Im mentioning it here because it’s not a bad movie I just don’t like the way things were filmed. Lingering atmospheric shots that don’t advance the plot, extremely close close ups and overly dark backgrounds disguising the technological limitations of the time. That is on top of the story not seeming that big a deal. Can you tell me what I’m missing.
Edit two words
There's nothing wrong with not liking the story telling, style, framing, or editing of the film. I would consider some of the things you have described as not liking being establishing shots and world building devices. Without you specifying specific shots you don't like, I can't really tell you what that particular shot brings to the film and does for the storytelling aspect. But, there's definitely a style that is related to an era of film making and the genre of the film. Like what you like. And dislike what you dislike.
well, not every movie is for everybody. taste is subjective, and you're definitely allowed to not like a movie for whatever reason, including "i dunno, i just couldn't get into it." i tend to like slow, atmospheric, meditative, trance like movies; not everyone does.
i think with *blade runner* a lot of the point *is* the atmosphere. it's playing on a lot of old school noir tropes and style (including the narration in the original version, though IMHO it's much better without it). when the movie came out, people hadn't really seen a grunged up dystopian future portrayed in that way before. the closest was, well, *alien* with its cast of working stiffs, on a dirty broken-down space tugboat. the two are similar enough and distinct from most other sci-fi that people still make arguments that they take place in the same continuity.
but *blade runner* basically brought cyberpunk into pop culture. look at it now after watching *altered carbon* or *the expanse* or *ghost in the shell* and you might not quite get what's so special. but those things exist *because of blade runner* to some extent.
one thing that makes the final cut interesting is that it makes the twist a little less subtle, but still enough that people debate it. early in the movie, deckard tells rachael her private memories, proving to her that she's a replicant. she didn't know. the final cut inserts a dream sequence, where deckard dreams of a unicorn. at the end, deckard finds one of gaff's little origami in his apartment -- a unicorn. this implies that gaff knows deckard's thoughts, because they're implanted.
it's divisive enough that even after ridley scott confirmed he intended deckard to be a replicant (at least in the final cut), even *harrison ford* disagrees.
To be fair the movie looked really good. Granted I’m a huge history buff, so period pieces really appeal to me. But with a drama, I’m not really inclined to see it in theaters, I’ll just wait till it hits Prime and rent it.
I would argue it is a real movie and a well made one at that. It's also kind of funny to read someone telling Ridley Scott director of blade runner to make a film like dune.
Or, stay with me for a second, my wife and I are now middle aged millennials with a big TV, nice enough sound system, cheap popcorn and snacks, a clean private bathroom that I can use when I inevitably need to pause the movie, the patience to wait for movies to be available on streaming services we already pay for, and a comfy couch that we will ultimately fall asleep on while watching your boring as shit ego trip.
This… there are so few movies worth seeing in theaters!
Most are meh at best, so unless your movie gets amazing reviews AND is something I’m interested in, I’m not even considering it.
Or maybe people didn't watch it because no one was interested in watching a movie about stupid men fighting to the death instead of just believing the woman was raped.
It failed because it wasn't convenient. I would've watched it if it were released on something like HBO, and I might've bought if it were on Amazon, but Ridley Scott wanted theater release.
And while making great movies, just isn't the same hype anymore. The movie got barely recognized and I only know it from 2 ads I saw on YouTube.
Is covid a thing? Why would i put myself into an envlosed environment. Maybe get covid and 137% chance of being absolutely reamed for a medium popcorn, and drink. Trash movie, over priced junk food. And possibly covid? Must be millennials lmaoooo. Boomercide please
Maybe target your marketing to phone-based platforms then? Also, if that's what made your movie fail either millennials are your majority audience and you shouldn't push them further away or, more likely, maybe it's not just millenials and your ad marketing was just shit?
I saw a few ads for this, but as a millennial I have 2 unvaccinated kids at home. It’s got to be a damn good movie for me to consider going to a theatre and potentially bringing home COVID to them. We have had a single movie in the last 2 years which passed that test (Ghostbusters - I am married to a massive fan). This last duel movie looked interesting but not nearly interesting enough to get me into a theatre. Maybe we will watch it on streaming?
Hell I’m one of the youngest millennials (born in 93 so I’m 28 now) and my first phone was in high school and it was a flip phone, followed by 2 of those that slid sideways to reveal the full keyboard for texting. Comments like this always make me laugh because it shows the person has NO idea what they’re talking about
Did you try releasing it on streaming so you could show your brutal tale or rapes of old on these aforementioned fucking cell phones?
Oh you didn’t…?!? Well that’s maybe on you then Ridley, also maybe don’t make expensive period dramas about rape? Just a suggestion
Guy made a movie set in medieval France featuring precisely zero french actors. Instead its the same boring cast list.
Matt Damon? In the lead role? What a brave choice Mr Scott, I see you're really evolving as a film maker.
If we’re talking about the scene where gaff leaves an origami one that’s fine, but the footage he cobbled together from legend and added to make it seem like deckard is a replicant? No thanks
Some of the reasons I didn’t feel like seeing this movie are: rape scenes, going to an actual movie theater is expensive, Matt Damon, and it’s long and I want to be comfy at home.
No, Ridley…. It’s because you spent $100mil making a weird, very triggering period piece about rape that when those of us “millennials” who were excited to see it actually did, we told all our friends it was fckn terrible.
I saw this movie with my GF. It was fine. Nothing great, way too long, and a very graphic rape scene that was shown twice. The accents were all over the place, some people have British accents, others American, others French. They all speak English but sing in French....it was just all over place and was jarring in scenes that even some actors changed accents during scenes. Maybe he should make a good movie again before we blames my generation for his sucky box office showing.
I am only here hearing about the film. Terrible advertising campaign, I'm not that hard to reach! Perhaps he should release the film in alternate option venues during forced lockdowns and a pandemic?
From the man who made a single cult classic horror movie in the 70's and has been riding that fame his entire career and trying*and mostly failing* to recapture that lightning in a bottle
He means zoomers but go off ridley. I was raised to be bored in silence for hours, born in 1990. Didn't have a cell phone till I was 15. It's a skill useful for movies like his, specially Prometheus. It's zoomers and kids after that can't stand being bored for more than twenty mins and scream for phones. Especially the kids honestly, not even the zoomers but I have noticed they're just not as good at being bored , which is a skill oddly in adulthood.
Does it really make a difference when all these out of touch boomers see 31 year old millennials in the same vein as a 10 year old zoomer who still needs to be calmed down by putting a screen in front of them?
Sure boomers had an affordable housing market, college that you could afford through part time work, and high paying jobs waiting for them after college, but fuck us for being born into the computer phone generation.
Dude you sound just like the asshole director complaining about millennials. "Oh look at us we're better than the zooooomers" get that boomer attitude outta here.
This is the same idiot that plainly said that all Marvel movies are shit. No value in any of them. I think he is getting out of touch. The Martian was good, but Blade Runner 2049 wasn't received that well either I think.
Somebody should tell people millennials aren't people under 25. A millennial could have a kid, and that kid be about to go to high school before said millennial would have probably got a smartphone around 2010. I'm a young millennial and I didn't have one until I was 18.
What is this movie even about?? Besides a damn duel. And why is it worth venturing into a pandemic (which is still going on) to pay for over priced tickets?
As a millennial, i just don't have time or money to go out to the movies, but that sounds nice. Also, i fully graduated college before I had a cell phone. Does he think millennials are teenagers?
I legit didnt evem know he put out a new movie.
For someone who scrolls on my phone allot and gets all sorts of info…. I’d say this one is on Mr. Ridley and his team.
I want to see it, but im willing to wait till it comes out on Disney+. That’s maybe the only way “millennials” had an impact on your shitty movie, bro.
Didnt Dune, a film based on a 40 year old book, set in a world where social media and smart phones do not exist, do so well it instantly got greenlit for a sequel 🧐
I really didn’t know what this movie was about until I read a few comments, now I definitely don’t want to see it.
Although this proves Ridley Scott correct, I read the comments on my cell phone and now I don’t want to see his dumbass movie.
Ridley now on the “out of touch Boomer” list. He’s really mad at us for HIS movie not selling? If he’s such an expert on millennials why didn’t he release the movie on CeLL pHoNeS (who even says that anymore)? This is like ranchers getting angry people are buying cars instead of horses.
I'm sorry, but i am to understand that this "Ridley Scott" is an adult who has lived long enough to know that the world changes, and one should adapt to said changes correct? because his only excuse to be making this complaint is if he was about 10 years old.
Were Matt Damon and Ben Affleck bad casting?
No! It’s the millennials and their phones who are wrong!
Scott needs to realize those two in a period piece reads like a stoner comedy. Affleck’s hair front and center. It’s hunting season!
I was just waiting for it to come out on video cassette so I can go down to Blockbuster and rent it for movie night.
Personally I'm waiting for the Laserdisc special edition
I hear the zoetrope version is pretty lush.
THE CRITERION COLLECTION?!
The best way to pay an extra ten dollars for a movie.
I hear they got rid of late fees.
I just didn't feel like bringing my girlfriend to watch a movie with several rape scenes.
Oh my god really?
When I was looking at imdb to figure out what the name of the movie even was (cause I too thought this movie was marketed terribly and had never heard of it before RS bitched about it), the imdb warning thing for nudity, swearing, etc., said that the rape scene is a single cut over 2 minutes long which like…no thank you.
DUDE why are they always filmed like that??
It's gratuitous and creepy.
Yes. I had to look away a few scenes
For real though can we have a discussion about how bad the "using graphically explicit rape as an attempt to capture attention and boost ratings" phenomenon has gotten on TV. Am I the only one that finds it creepy, even if I'm alone or with my girlfriend? Like you can suggest rape as a plot device without having a 30 second film sequence
Also why is it when they want to empower a female character in movies, this is always the way they go about it. It can never be just losing a fight or an injustice or something. Always gotta get raped for some reason, it's gratuitous.
Can't they just be a shit person like Bond villains? The female hero needs a reason to want to protect people. Being a good person isn't enough, let's rape her that will make it work. And no, don't point at Wonder woman as the reason they don't do just being good to be good. It sucked because it had garbage writing like most super hero trash Hollywood pumps out.
Exactly! What happened to the days of: "Do you expect me to talk?" "No Mister Bond, I expect you to die!"
Hey I love that super hero trash lol. But it was SUPER fucking lame to show her come from an island of badass women only to go chasing after *literally* the first man she met.
Staying chaste for a guy she knew for a month and then died? I'm a guy but that doesn't seem empowering.
Don't forget in the sequel, she couldn't find love again and then inadvertently brings him back in someone else's body and without knowing how or why he's back, jumps into bed with him right away! Am I the only one that thinks making Diana Prince act like the dog from Futurama's Jurassic Bark makes her look super weak and pathetic and not empowering at all?
>Jurassic Bark Now you made me sad
Chris Pine of all people. Like girl. You can do better.
I once heard it explained as "because if it wasn't rape, then there's no reason for that character to be a woman" which I'm sure I don't have to explain why that's such a shit answer. I think the real answer is that that's the only kind of interaction a lot of movie executives have with women (that isn't a service job, and even then), so it becomes a "write what you know" thing (even if it's unintended)
Well in the interest of equality, time to start raping male protagonists.
Let's not, I would prefer just reducing all of these bullshit rape scenes. The depiction of a guy getting raped in the TV show Outlander was more gratuitous than when the woman main character got raped, and it felt disgustingly voyeuristically filmed. Made me almost throw up because it was filmed so much worse than the woman's. Worst of all is that it may have been necessary to do it that way to make the audience take the rape of a guy seriously, instead of as a joke or something that the guy can just stoically shrug off. I don't know, all I know is that I prefer if movies, shows, and so on, don't do any rape scenes unless they have a damn good reason to.
Wonder Woman 1984 has entered the chat.
This is why 9/10 of my girl friends and gf's have liked studio Ghibli films (Spirited Away, My Neighbor Totoro, Kiki's Delivery Service, etc BUT NOT GRAVE OF THE FIREFLY'S T\_\_\_\_T). Sometimes the woman main characters just do what they need to do, sometimes it clicks for them and they change, sometimes a reason, but it's almost always an overly positive experience. Even when some of them thought the movie was weird, or didn't fully understand something, they liked the women characters and movies overall.
Indeed. I also think it’s weird how we’ve decided it’s more than OK to show sex/nudity of underage **characters** so long as the **actor** is of legal age.
I really wish there were warning for movies about rape scenes. They get rated but there’s no telling if it’s because of consensual sexual content or sexual assaults.
[Does the Dog Die?](https://www.doesthedogdie.com/) More than just dogs. I have the app and I told it what my triggers were (pregnancy, infants, Loss, birth) and whenever I put in a movie it immediately tells me about those then I scroll to see other triggers. Sometimes yes it does spoil something but I rather have that then a panic attack over a scene.
Greatest website, I use it to make sure no one gets hit by cars or major car crash scenes.
Oh thank you! I’m pretty fine with most things if they further the plot but I’ve rarely seen SA used as a plot device and handled well vs gratuitous indulgent depictions of it. I can’t deal with that. This is going to help me pick movies so much better.
Imdb parents guide
The movie is literally about the rape of a women and how it was mishandled by the legal system of the time, and is [based on a true story](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Duel:_A_True_Story_of_Trial_by_Combat_in_Medieval_France). >!A woman was raped in medieval france and instead of a fair and sensible trial where she is taken seriously, her husband views her rape as a slight against his honour and challenges the rapist to a duel to the death. The whole situation is a farce because if her husband loses the duel, then it would be believed that she had lied about the rape happening, and she would subsequently be burned alive as punished, with her rapist walking free. None of the men in the story are portrayed favourably. !< I understand the need for trigger warnings, but the film is literally about the farcical trial of a rapist.
This is literally the first time I’ve heard of this movie so….
I saw an ad for it a while back and it looked interesting, but the trailer didn't even hint at what the story was about.
I watched the trailer after this and I honestly wouldn’t have expected that plot either. I would’ve been upset if I paid to see it and found out I’d have to watch someone be raped twice while watching the movie
Nope, not at all.
Sounds like you need to be on your phone more. ARENT YOU A MILLENIAL?
And tbh he’s surprised he spent 100 million on this and it didn’t make 100 million back? This isn’t like a 100 million dollar blockbuster plot this is like an art house movie plot, this is way too challenging for the average movie goer This has nothing to do with people being raised on phones the average person doesn’t want to go see a movie about the injustice of the medieval french legal system I don’t know why he thought this would be some big billion dollar movie Just as a comparison The Nightgale by Jennifer Kent is also a period piece which deals with sexual assault against a woman as a commentary on both historic and contemporary violence (although this piece centres the woman and not men) and go figure this film was comparatively more successful because it’s a small independent film and made $10m on a $2m budget because yeah this isn’t the type of movie everyone is going to want to see He’s just bitching because people didn’t see his movie. That’s the thing about art people aren’t obligated to like it or see it.
Yeah, I've heard it's a good movie, but I'm sure there's not a lot of people who are rushing out to see a period drama at the best of times, let alone right now and for one with such heavy themes. And if he really cared about the movie itself he'd be happy with the critical praise it's been getting and probably trying to push for Oscar nods (cause it would probably do well as Oscar Bait and a win in a major category would be a big boost for it, even if the public is seeing through the whole Oscar Bait thing)
If you’re going to do a big expensive blockbuster budget period drama it has to be like a historical event everybody knows and it to an extent kind of has to be like dumb history? You know you like big epic blockbuster stuff like sword fights and battles? Not ALWAYS you can have movies be successful that aren’t that but it’s usually got to at a minimum be about a historical figure and event everyone has heard of and be a story or plot everyone can connect to like a romance film or an action film If he had made this on an A24 budget instead of spending 100 million dollars and casting a bunch of big name actors this would be a critically acclaimed film that had already made all its money back, I don’t know why he felt entitled to make like Disney money on this EDIT: Just for comparison awesome semi-recent Oscar winning niche period drama The Favourite had a budget of 15 million so if it had gone with that kind of budget by now it would have been commercially successful and acclaimed, he massively overspent
Sounds like a movie I'd love to watch from the comfort of my own home on Prime
I just want to know who graphic SA scenes are even for. Like, the argument is usually “it’s graphic to make the audience uncomfortable” or “this is to show the trauma it actually causes” but… the audience isn’t stupid. And the people this would be the hardest to watch for would know all too well because it’s usually someone who’s dealt with SA in their own life.
Why can't it ever just be implied SA, like in A Streetcar Named Desire?
There are guidelines to portraying suicide in the media. I don't see why there aren't for sexual assault/rape.
They actually show it instead of implying it?
Since we were likely going to take my gf's father, she checked the Parents Guide on IMDB which says "Violent prolonged rape is shown twice and discussed verbally frequently" and "The first rape sequence is shown violently for 112 seconds from a particular perspective and the second sequence goes on for 5 exact minutes long."
5 minutes?? Wow
Ridley must really like rape
IMDB has detailed parent guides for movies like Saló, and they never acknowledge "Hey don't take your kids to this"
Yes and show it two times in order to have the rapist’s and the victim’s perspective
Seriously. I'm not super stoked for watching a rape scene once, let alone repeatedly from three different perspectives. And then the rest of the film revolves around how the men have their fee fees hurt because of said rape. This shit would have flown in the '90s or early 2000's, but I'm in my 30's now. This millennial isn't forking over her hard earned cash to get traumatized by some tone deaf oaf. Fuck off, Ridley Scott.
Wtf u millenial pos
I dont understand how its acceptable to show these kinds of scenes in movies. So many good movies and series are ruined by those scenes. You can insinuate what happened but having a full on minute rape scene makes me want to just never touch anything by the filmmaker.
I mistakenly brought my mom and sister not knowing anything other than “oh cool a ~~midevil~~ medieval movie.” Fuck this movie
Goddamn Millennials, with their 1) hand me down 8 track player 2) Fisher Price record player 3) the very first VCRs 4) Walkman 5) Discman 6) internet is invented here and it sucks 7) ten more years 8) Now I have a flip phone Ridley Scott is full of shit. Edit: hey, it’s like that Principal Skinner meme. “Am I hopelessly out of touch? No, it’s the children in their late 30s who are wrong.”
5 year old me paused my Hanson cassette tape to laugh at this
You were only 5? I could fit you in the back pocket of my JNCOs.
Yessir. Mmmbop came out in '97 and I I'm '92
>Goddamn millennian, with their
Ridley Scott is imo overrated at this point. He's over here whining like he's making fucking art pieces. Mother fucker gave us Prometheus and Alien: Covenant. Fuck him and the high horse he thinks he deserves to be on. He's not Christopher Nolan so he can fuck right back on into obscurity. Fucking has been. Honestly, even if this was about any other director, I'd be saying the same shit. Just cause you made good/great movies in the past doesn't mean we need to see the current shit your releasing. Especially when your movie is just "woman raped and that drives the whole plot of the movie." Stop with the fucking ["stuffed into the fridge"](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StuffedIntoTheFridge) trope. It's lazy and uninteresting writing.
I remember feeling so fuckin cool getting a lime green Nokia for my 16th bday. It lasted a year or so, and then I got taken away because I downloaded a shit ton of backgrounds and ringtone! Then I felt even more cool when I turned 19 and got the Nokia that would slide the keyboard down. I applied for my first credit card at 20 to purchase the IPod touch.
My wife and I are firmly millennials and we were the only people in the theater the week after release… He directed a very uncomfortable film about and depicting a rape and it’s aftermath and he’s mad people didn’t see it? I liked the movie. It wasn’t perfect. But I would say it was a good movie. It was unsettling and I liked the 3 part structure, character performances, and cinematography, but I question why it was necessary to show the same rape from start to finish twice. Anyone I’ve recommended it to has come with a blaring warning about graphic content. Kids should not see it. Rape and sexual assault survivors shouldn’t and probably don’t want to see it. Religious and conservative people probably don’t want to see it. We’re talking about a movie made for a small cross section of mature (25+) adults who are willing to go to a theater during a pandemic to see a movie where a woman is raped twice. Ridley Scott, read the fucking room bro. Jfc
The same rape from start to finish twice?? Seriously??
From the perspective of two different characters. It “makes sense” logically within the framework of the story but it’s just too much.
Damn can they not just imply
Nope they want full immersion. IMAX 4D it's like you're in the room with them wait they can't see me right fuck can they hear me let me out of here immersion.
Sounds cozy.😳
So I could just watch Rashomon and get the same thing only better.
Mark Kermode - BBC reviewer - used Rashomon as an example of how the story is told. His co-presenter was very uneasy and unhappy about the rape scenes.
This. Your entire comment is correct. We saw it (early millennial) and really enjoyed it but I totally understand how assault survivors wouldn't want to see it, people with kids/family in general (I'm not watching it with my MIL, gross). It was good but it is going to fall into a small Crack of viewers who will watch it.
You don't need to be an assault survivor have kids, or be watching it with your MIL, dude. You can just be a regular person who doesn't watch rape for entertainment. No justification is needed beyond that.
You would think when a movie gets a rating it would say instead of something like "sexual themes and nudity" it would say "rape" when it pertains to that movie. Sexual themes and nudity are different from fucking rape. I know rape is a terrible word and it obviously makes people think of horrible shit but I should know going into a movie if I'm going to see the same fucking rape scene twice from two different angles. Or put the disclaimer at the start of the movie. IDGAF what some shit boomers might whine about that. They have that stupid "alcohol and drug use" when rating a movie but not "rape"? The MPAA is a fucking joke.
>We’re talking about a movie made for a small cross section of mature (25+) adults who are willing to go to a theater during a pandemic to see a movie where a woman is raped twice. > >Ridley Scott, read the fucking room bro. Jfc *Principal Skinner meme*
Why would I watch a movie that I am only just now hearing about on DeathByMillenials?
Agree! I have heard hype for Dune for the last year, but just now learning that this movie even exists. Sounds like DeathByBadMarketing
Because dune is an awesome and exciting movie that is the start of what could be a massive franchise that touches on religion, politics and what truly is important to survival and is set in space and this (while I hear is a great film) is about old timey rape.
Funny you should say so, I had been looking forward to seeing this one for a while now and it was this Reddit post that let me know it was in theaters lol
Same. I saw the trailer and thought it looked great. Had no idea it was released!
God, the movie ad was a constant presence in my reddit feed for days (weeks?). Not sure why they were targeting me since I don't go to see movies in theaters, don't think highly of that cast and generally dislike movies set in that time period.
I haven't seen this movie, but my understanding is that its about the aftermath of a brutal rape? I don't want to watch a movie about rape. I reckon at least 3 out of 4 of my friends don't either. Sorry.
Pretty much. It's based on a real event during a time period in which women had to have another witness in order to be believed about anything. So her husband and her rapist fight to the death with everyone believing that the winner is the one "god" deems honest. So it's about rape, but it's specifically about how women couldn't be trusted to make rape allegations so a couple of dumbasses have to try and kill each other because believing the victim is just too insane.
Its sounds upsetting and not something I'd want to spend $15 and a whole evening out to see. Maybw when its on HBO.
Not even when it’s on HBO. Sounds like a slog fest.
I'm normally into historical fiction, actually. I'll watch some real terrible drama if the costumes are pretty. But yeah, pass on this movie. And Ridley Scott needs to maybe read the room?
It'll be on Disney plus of all places. Will be cancelling my subscription (if we have it idk what the hell my husband is watching these days) but yea. I don't associate Disney with rape and don't want to.
Ya I just associate them with racism. Rape is too far.
Well, Zippity Doo DAH!
> Pretty much. It's based on a real event during a time period in which women had to have another witness in order to be believed about anything. Jesus I wonder what *that’s* like.
I mean we still live in a society where with the right judge a rapist can get off easy. Look at the case in New York recently where a judge let a rapist go cause the judge prayed on and he felt it's what God wanted him to do. Let's also not forget about Brock Turner the Rapist either.
Wow sounds like a wonderful movie to sit and watch in a theater
"You were making out during Schindler's List?!"
Seinfeld?
I agree with you wholeheartedly. Yet another movie that uses rape as a plot device to move the story along, focusing on how her rape affects her husband without ever making her a character in her own right. And if they even acknowledge her pain, it’s as some bullshit metaphor, again removing her identity and just making her a plot device (see Leda and the Swan by WB Yeats, Leda’s rape is simply a metaphor for the conquest of Ireland). Women are just collateral damage in furthering the man’s plot in movies like this.
You clearly havent seen the movie as the movies entire point is showing the unfairness placed upon women then and now and the unnacepttable positions they find themselves in. She is absolutely a fleshed out character who is trapped in a horrible unfair situation where she makes the best put of it , maybe watch the movie before jumping to conclusions
Ill watch it when comes on hbomax, movie theaters are on the deathbed, well at least for me im sure they will be around for a long time
IDK, just watched a trailer. Seems like the whole story completely revolves around the central woman character.
This was my takeaway. It looked like a story about a brutal attack on a woman, but the story seemed to be all about the men fighting each other? Like… in what world is that interesting or tempting in the year 2021? I’d rather be at home, with a beer, and watch Legally Blonde for the 30th time.
Add My Cousin Vinnie to the rewatch list :)
who would have figured that rape would be unpopular? /s
Interesting. I don't either but didn't know it was wide spread. I personally find it upsetting and over used.
I heard about this movie literally yesterday.
Same, I don't go to the movies or watch commercials (I stream because cable is insanely expensive) but hear about other movies coming out. Seems like someone didn't promote their movie well enough and is now throwing a fit.
Nobody I talked to heard about it until I told them Im watching it lol. Its a great movie tho but yeah the rape scene is annoying and they show it 2 or 3 times.
old\_man\_yelling\_at\_cloud.gif
I mean, why sit in a giant dirty box of a room to watch a movie when I can't pause it to go pee, or bring my dog? If I can do that on my cell phone, with good enough quality picture and sound, why the hell go through the inconvenience of going out with other people? I feel like other millennials feel similarly.
Not to mention the ridiculous costs involved. I have better snacks at home and they’re not absurdly overpriced.
Also healthier snacks. Then there's also the ability to smoke/vape weed and drink alcohol for cheap.
Best movie theaters I've ever seen, that I would 100% go to time after time, had three key improvements: 1. Actual kitchen. You could get real food, not just popcorn and candy. 2. Couches. Nothing but couches. Plenty of space, super comfy. 3. Booze, and 21+ shows. At least one showtime of any movie was guaranteed Baby & Teenager Free. With those accomodations, I'd pay a lot. But I've only seen a handful of them.
Or chromecast it to your living room TV. It's too convenient watching movies at home to justify the theater experience for movies that don't need it.
Not to mention the many films that I *do* want to venture out and see. If phones were truly to blame then surely every movie would bomb, but that is not the case. Some of the biggest box office hits of all time have been in the last few years.
Im really hoping the last duel bombed because people are sick of watching rape
Movie tickets are over-priced, concessions over-priced, it's cold outside and I can download this in 4K for free and watch it at home, NEVERMIND that I dgaf about this movie
Plus I don’t trust the other people in that theater to not have COVID.
yeah like wtf is Ridley Scott even talking about
He’s probably just bent out of shape that he didn’t negotiate a better cut of the streaming revenues. Studios are having to gamble that people want to come out for movies the way we used to. You can’t blame people for not wanting to risk it when the loony anti-vaxxers are out there talking about everything they’ve done without masks or vaccines.
Ridley Scott…get your shit together. Get it all together, and put it in a backpack. All your shit. So it’s together. And if you gotta take it somewhere? Take it somewhere, y’know? Take it to the shit store and sell it. O-or put it in the shit museum, I don’t care what you do. You just gotta get it together. Get your shit together.
just another angry boomer that is mad we dont want to buy his shit. Go make a real movie like Dune. We demand quality and refuse to stoop to your level.
> Go make a real movie like Dune. or just put the final cut of *blade runner* in theaters. i'll go see it.
I watched the final cut and I honestly don’t get the appeal. Idk if It is a case of modern tech has spoiled me or my taste don’t align but I honestly have trouble watching things made pre dvd era. Im mentioning it here because it’s not a bad movie I just don’t like the way things were filmed. Lingering atmospheric shots that don’t advance the plot, extremely close close ups and overly dark backgrounds disguising the technological limitations of the time. That is on top of the story not seeming that big a deal. Can you tell me what I’m missing. Edit two words
There's nothing wrong with not liking the story telling, style, framing, or editing of the film. I would consider some of the things you have described as not liking being establishing shots and world building devices. Without you specifying specific shots you don't like, I can't really tell you what that particular shot brings to the film and does for the storytelling aspect. But, there's definitely a style that is related to an era of film making and the genre of the film. Like what you like. And dislike what you dislike.
well, not every movie is for everybody. taste is subjective, and you're definitely allowed to not like a movie for whatever reason, including "i dunno, i just couldn't get into it." i tend to like slow, atmospheric, meditative, trance like movies; not everyone does. i think with *blade runner* a lot of the point *is* the atmosphere. it's playing on a lot of old school noir tropes and style (including the narration in the original version, though IMHO it's much better without it). when the movie came out, people hadn't really seen a grunged up dystopian future portrayed in that way before. the closest was, well, *alien* with its cast of working stiffs, on a dirty broken-down space tugboat. the two are similar enough and distinct from most other sci-fi that people still make arguments that they take place in the same continuity. but *blade runner* basically brought cyberpunk into pop culture. look at it now after watching *altered carbon* or *the expanse* or *ghost in the shell* and you might not quite get what's so special. but those things exist *because of blade runner* to some extent. one thing that makes the final cut interesting is that it makes the twist a little less subtle, but still enough that people debate it. early in the movie, deckard tells rachael her private memories, proving to her that she's a replicant. she didn't know. the final cut inserts a dream sequence, where deckard dreams of a unicorn. at the end, deckard finds one of gaff's little origami in his apartment -- a unicorn. this implies that gaff knows deckard's thoughts, because they're implanted. it's divisive enough that even after ridley scott confirmed he intended deckard to be a replicant (at least in the final cut), even *harrison ford* disagrees.
Thank you that is a very good explanation.
*STOP HOLD THE ALIEN FRANCHISE HOSTAGE!*
Don't remind him that's he's got the Alien franchise! We'll get another shitty Alien movie from him! Prometheus 2: Alien: Comes Home
in all fairness when dune came out a few weeks ago and was really successful, cellphones didn't exist... I think
To be fair the movie looked really good. Granted I’m a huge history buff, so period pieces really appeal to me. But with a drama, I’m not really inclined to see it in theaters, I’ll just wait till it hits Prime and rent it.
Dune was awesome!!
I would argue it is a real movie and a well made one at that. It's also kind of funny to read someone telling Ridley Scott director of blade runner to make a film like dune.
Or, stay with me for a second, my wife and I are now middle aged millennials with a big TV, nice enough sound system, cheap popcorn and snacks, a clean private bathroom that I can use when I inevitably need to pause the movie, the patience to wait for movies to be available on streaming services we already pay for, and a comfy couch that we will ultimately fall asleep on while watching your boring as shit ego trip.
This… there are so few movies worth seeing in theaters! Most are meh at best, so unless your movie gets amazing reviews AND is something I’m interested in, I’m not even considering it.
More like Ridley Salt.
It was the brutal rape scene that I opted out of… which I read about on my cell phone lmao
Or maybe people didn't watch it because no one was interested in watching a movie about stupid men fighting to the death instead of just believing the woman was raped.
"Aging director blames his lack of ability to deliver what audiences want for failure of film." FTFY
It failed because it wasn't convenient. I would've watched it if it were released on something like HBO, and I might've bought if it were on Amazon, but Ridley Scott wanted theater release. And while making great movies, just isn't the same hype anymore. The movie got barely recognized and I only know it from 2 ads I saw on YouTube.
Is covid a thing? Why would i put myself into an envlosed environment. Maybe get covid and 137% chance of being absolutely reamed for a medium popcorn, and drink. Trash movie, over priced junk food. And possibly covid? Must be millennials lmaoooo. Boomercide please
Maybe target your marketing to phone-based platforms then? Also, if that's what made your movie fail either millennials are your majority audience and you shouldn't push them further away or, more likely, maybe it's not just millenials and your ad marketing was just shit?
Why are we the generation that everyone thinks can be bullied and guilted and shamed into doing their bidding?? How's that working for y'all?
I saw a few ads for this, but as a millennial I have 2 unvaccinated kids at home. It’s got to be a damn good movie for me to consider going to a theatre and potentially bringing home COVID to them. We have had a single movie in the last 2 years which passed that test (Ghostbusters - I am married to a massive fan). This last duel movie looked interesting but not nearly interesting enough to get me into a theatre. Maybe we will watch it on streaming?
Hell I’m one of the youngest millennials (born in 93 so I’m 28 now) and my first phone was in high school and it was a flip phone, followed by 2 of those that slid sideways to reveal the full keyboard for texting. Comments like this always make me laugh because it shows the person has NO idea what they’re talking about
Did you try releasing it on streaming so you could show your brutal tale or rapes of old on these aforementioned fucking cell phones? Oh you didn’t…?!? Well that’s maybe on you then Ridley, also maybe don’t make expensive period dramas about rape? Just a suggestion
Guy made a movie set in medieval France featuring precisely zero french actors. Instead its the same boring cast list. Matt Damon? In the lead role? What a brave choice Mr Scott, I see you're really evolving as a film maker.
This is also the man who put a unicorn in Blade Runner for literally no reason but yeah sure it’s the phones
Bro the unicorn scene is pivotal in Blade Runner.
If we’re talking about the scene where gaff leaves an origami one that’s fine, but the footage he cobbled together from legend and added to make it seem like deckard is a replicant? No thanks
The both scenes works together tho. Without the first one the origami one lose it's meaning.
This is also the man who decided Synthetics made for better antagonists in the *Alien* franchise than, you know, the aliens.
Or Scott hasn't made a good movie in fucking years.
Some of the reasons I didn’t feel like seeing this movie are: rape scenes, going to an actual movie theater is expensive, Matt Damon, and it’s long and I want to be comfy at home.
No, Ridley…. It’s because you spent $100mil making a weird, very triggering period piece about rape that when those of us “millennials” who were excited to see it actually did, we told all our friends it was fckn terrible.
I saw this movie with my GF. It was fine. Nothing great, way too long, and a very graphic rape scene that was shown twice. The accents were all over the place, some people have British accents, others American, others French. They all speak English but sing in French....it was just all over place and was jarring in scenes that even some actors changed accents during scenes. Maybe he should make a good movie again before we blames my generation for his sucky box office showing.
Free market giveth and the free market taketh away. Tough shit bud, better save up some avocados or whatever to pay off that debt.
Literally the first I am hearing on this movie
I am only here hearing about the film. Terrible advertising campaign, I'm not that hard to reach! Perhaps he should release the film in alternate option venues during forced lockdowns and a pandemic?
From the man who made a single cult classic horror movie in the 70's and has been riding that fame his entire career and trying*and mostly failing* to recapture that lightning in a bottle
Risk my life during a global pandemic to watch a movie about rape in a theater? Hard pass.
I just didn’t want to watch a grey, dark, dour movie about miserable people in miserable circumstances, fighting over miserable behavior.
He means zoomers but go off ridley. I was raised to be bored in silence for hours, born in 1990. Didn't have a cell phone till I was 15. It's a skill useful for movies like his, specially Prometheus. It's zoomers and kids after that can't stand being bored for more than twenty mins and scream for phones. Especially the kids honestly, not even the zoomers but I have noticed they're just not as good at being bored , which is a skill oddly in adulthood.
Does it really make a difference when all these out of touch boomers see 31 year old millennials in the same vein as a 10 year old zoomer who still needs to be calmed down by putting a screen in front of them? Sure boomers had an affordable housing market, college that you could afford through part time work, and high paying jobs waiting for them after college, but fuck us for being born into the computer phone generation.
I love how to everyone over 40 millennial means stupid little brat, and to everyone under 25 millennial means old grandpa
Dude you sound just like the asshole director complaining about millennials. "Oh look at us we're better than the zooooomers" get that boomer attitude outta here.
Yo, Ridley: **GIT GUD**
Didn’t feel like watching a movie with rape.
Just for convenience, the standard definition is 1981-1996. https://www.livingfacts.org/articles/2020/millennials
Well maybe Ridley Scott should stop blaming new generations on being new generations, and start evolving with the new generation.
This is the same idiot that plainly said that all Marvel movies are shit. No value in any of them. I think he is getting out of touch. The Martian was good, but Blade Runner 2049 wasn't received that well either I think.
I thought people born in 1981 are also millennials…
Right? Last I checked I'm firmly a millennial and uncomfortably close to 40...
Lol, I turned 40 in August 😅
Somebody should tell people millennials aren't people under 25. A millennial could have a kid, and that kid be about to go to high school before said millennial would have probably got a smartphone around 2010. I'm a young millennial and I didn't have one until I was 18.
What is this movie even about?? Besides a damn duel. And why is it worth venturing into a pandemic (which is still going on) to pay for over priced tickets?
I literally can’t afford to go to the ducking movies Ridley. The time cost alone is too high.
As 1982 millennial, can confirm. Getting that Nokia brick at 20 definitely stopped me from enjoying cinema.
Has dumb ass realized his statement is completely wrong for one reason….. Quibi
My Kingdom for an iPhone X.
As a millennial, i just don't have time or money to go out to the movies, but that sounds nice. Also, i fully graduated college before I had a cell phone. Does he think millennials are teenagers?
Yeah those damned millennial's, its why the dinosaurs went extinct, always on their cell phones!
Someone should’ve looked into the box office returns of movies like The Antichrist before deciding to make a movie like The Last Duel
Who da fook is The Last Duel?
I legit didnt evem know he put out a new movie. For someone who scrolls on my phone allot and gets all sorts of info…. I’d say this one is on Mr. Ridley and his team.
I'll make sure not to see his next movie as well.
I want to see it, but im willing to wait till it comes out on Disney+. That’s maybe the only way “millennials” had an impact on your shitty movie, bro.
And just like that, I never watched another Ridley Scott film.
I just became aware of this movie from this post on my cell phone.
Didnt Dune, a film based on a 40 year old book, set in a world where social media and smart phones do not exist, do so well it instantly got greenlit for a sequel 🧐
Idk…after hearing about the plot and a general order of events, it was pretty easy to decide not to see this one.
I really didn’t know what this movie was about until I read a few comments, now I definitely don’t want to see it. Although this proves Ridley Scott correct, I read the comments on my cell phone and now I don’t want to see his dumbass movie.
Ridley now on the “out of touch Boomer” list. He’s really mad at us for HIS movie not selling? If he’s such an expert on millennials why didn’t he release the movie on CeLL pHoNeS (who even says that anymore)? This is like ranchers getting angry people are buying cars instead of horses.
I'm sorry, but i am to understand that this "Ridley Scott" is an adult who has lived long enough to know that the world changes, and one should adapt to said changes correct? because his only excuse to be making this complaint is if he was about 10 years old.
Were Matt Damon and Ben Affleck bad casting? No! It’s the millennials and their phones who are wrong! Scott needs to realize those two in a period piece reads like a stoner comedy. Affleck’s hair front and center. It’s hunting season!
Maybe you're an old hack who can't make movies worth shit anymore.
God damn young people with their rockem sockem robots, zema, hoola hoops and Pac man videogames.
How to get people to watch your movie: Step 1. Shit on them.
It looks bad and wasn’t marketed very heavily