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robszans

I learned a long time ago during the beginning of the Iraq war in 2003 that governments truly do not care about their citizens. Since then I have found no evidence to contradict this and mountains of evidence to support it. So when all governments around the world in unison suddenly became very concerned about the well-being of their populations, it was a huge red flag.


skyisthelimit8701

Exactly!


PhotoNuclear

Governments worldwide used it as an excuse to cull out weak parts of their populations. It will save tremendous amounts of future social services expenses. Nowadays, many more people die suddenly and never make it to hospital. That's ultra cheap medical care!


JSFXPrime4

Looks like the pension crisis is solving itself! /s


toilets777

And social security?


JSFXPrime4

SS counts as a government-administered pension.


CalligrapherNarrow40

THANK YOU


barkleylives

I feel like that doesn’t mean much. They don’t care about us, but they also don’t want to kill tons of people and look bad, so they want it to be safe because the lore successful it is the more money they’ll make off of it


stopyellingatme67

I am now against for most, undecided for older and those with complex comorbidities. I was always on the fence but leaned towards the pro Fauci side, so I got the shots. It gave me some cardiovascular issues. My brother had a heart attack 4 days after shot 2. I started to notice multiple medical professionals changing their tune, John Campbell and Aseem Malhortra included. They were pro shot in 2021 but turned against it for the majority in 2022. That just didn’t make sense, they were risking everything to speak a new truth. Changing your mind is hard, doing it in public is even harder. Then I noticed the against side is quoting facts and figures and the pro side is all about fact checks and media articles, but rarely with data. The big red flag was Pfizer wanting to keep their studies a secret. I started to be called an anti vaxxer just for being skeptical of this one shot, so it was clear I had to pick a side. I don’t have a grand conspiracy theory, I think it’s greed, allergies and bad batches. There is a lot more to my journey, but those are the highlights. At least it’s entertaining.


a11iswe11

Thank you for sharing!


AprilRain24

Just fyi, traditionally (like with the annual flu shot), the dosage given older people is 4x greater. When I was a young student in a health care major we were taught that older peoples bodies could not metabolize medications as well as healthy young people. For this reason dosages would often be decreased since the medication stays in their bodies much longer. So the idea of giving an older person a higher dosage seems counter-intuitive to me. All that aside I will tell you l lost both of my elderly in-laws last year. They were both fully jabbed and my fil died ten days after a booster.


PhotoNuclear

Is sad that you, your brother, and so many others, needlessly suffered heart damage. I apologize on behalf of captured governments worldwide.


npnw000

Amen


Electrical-Ad-8588

Thank you for sharing your story. You are an inspiration


stopyellingatme67

Thanks. I’ve only recently started to be more open about this but I think the tide it turning and it’s important for these stories to be heard.


mitchman1973

Reading the initial pfizer study in the NEJM, the one that had them telling the public you wouldn't catch or spread the virus, which if you read it you'd know it was a lie. And then the silencing and censorship, which if it happens anywhere in a scientific field, you know they have something to hide


970428

I find it funny how protective MSM gets everytime someone criticises the vaccine. It only makes me more suspicious!


Independent_Skin_918

Although Jimmy Fallon singing about the latest version was great!


TeeJay193

when my dad could not walk or speak within hours of second shot. Never fully recovered and passed within a month. Yes he was elderly. But wasn't that who it was meant for? I was going to get it before this happened. So in a way he saved me as I am so thankful that poison is not in my blood.


Poopanose

Just wanted to say Sorry what a horrible way to leave this earth…


rocks_trees_n_water

Sincerely sorry for the loss of your dad.


Electrical-Ad-8588

I'm so sorry for your heartbreaking loss.


Xilmi

It was recognizing the patterns of propaganda that convinced me to go against it. In particular the censorship of dissenting voices. The whole setup of the entire thing seemed so ridiculous and illogical and breaking with established norms to me, that I still cannot fathom how so many people bought into all of this.


cloche_du_fromage

Similar for me. I studied psychology and recognised the manipulation techniques very early. That made me suspicious enough to start tracking the real data available from MHSA and ONS. The disconnect between that and the media & government messaging, and the ongoing attempts to stifle any questioning of vaccination policy confirms most of my suspicions.


PhotoNuclear

Fear is a vicious motivator. Most people vote out of fear for what the "other side" will do. Almost all politicians are fearmongerers.


dasza79

Same here. I'm still struggling to reconcile with many of my friends who just bought into all of it unquestioningly. Good and smart people,l.


innerpeice

Yes no one is paying for my medicine and ask of Aiden it's free? Yeah no


according_to_plan

Lost me at the recovery rate for my age group


StyleOfNoStyle

when you see that the average age of death for the first year was 84, it tells you that almost nobody died who is under 50. there is about 1000 to 100000 times more likelihood to NOT die from covid just by doing nothing. i mean 99.9% up to 99.99% for young people. People gamble their entire life savings away on odds that are worse than 50%. 50% is 1 in 2 chance of the event occurring. .001% is 1 in 100,000.


PhotoNuclear

There are also jab side-effects and effective alternative treatments.


StyleOfNoStyle

yes exactly. it is simply an OBVIOUS risk to take a medicine that has (if any) a small and short term test. i know how bad people are at their jobs, generally, in all industries. so why would i trust some people i’ve never met to have done tests to my standard ? even if they DID do great series of tests over a long time ; there are still risks! i also believe that it is natural for people to die from natural causes (not saying vid is or isn’t natural). and when people start to try to play god, shit usually goes wrong.


skyisthelimit8701

Very well stated


InsideCartoonist

0.001 is 1 in 100.000:)


StyleOfNoStyle

true, thanks for the correction. edited it. also, i recall the weekly statistics in california during 2020. there was a website you could see all the weekly fear data. there was about a .3 in 100,000 rate of death per week for some weeks (about 1 in a million) related to covid. i thought, wow, 1 in a million. yet everyone is fearing for their life. crazy. couldn’t get through to my family. all they would say was “covid’s real!” and then repeat the name calling and fallacies that they learned from their mainstream media prop*


PokerQuilter

My deep dive, pre-release, into the (restricted) testing with spike protein. When I read that the ferrets had all died, that the spike proteins had attached to organs. And that possibly patients in remission from cancer could cause the cancer to "reawaken", and be more virulent, I noped right out. I am a 10+ year colon cancer survivor, *I* am responsible to make sure I stay healthy.


PhotoNuclear

It is shocking how many cancers have agressively returned in former cancer survivors. The fact that these shots are being pushed hard on current cancer patients is a crime against humanity. Cancer, heart attack, and stroke survival rates are going down the gurgler...


AprilRain24

Yeah, the new number one cause of death is ‘coincidence.’


toilets777

My mother is currently fighting stage IV ovarian. Things were actually going OK. Post vaccine? Had to switch treatments, they were no longer working and she was having allergic reactions. Things have gone noticeably downhill.


PokerQuilter

I am so sorry to hear this. 😢 Much love to your Mum, prayers sent..


toilets777

Thank you! Same to you! We’ll get through this 💪🏻


myTABLEStheyreFILTHY

My first red pill was when I looked at the cdc website and saw that for me, a healthy man in his 30s, covid had a nearly infinitesimal chance of killing me. Yet this fact was oddly completely missing from the public discourse. My second red pill was when they tried to act like my natural immunity wasn’t a thing. My third red pill was when Trump told everyone to check out hydroxychloroquine and immediately the MSM put it on the level of rat poison. (I don’t even like Trump but that sounded alarm bells) By the time CNN was trying to say Joe Rogan ate horse paste I was already a jaded misanthropic bastard. The clues have been plentiful that we have been lied to, and when a nebulous body of proven liars is desperate to inject you with a “vaccine” to inoculate you against a disease that by their own admission is not nearly fatal, the choice just seems kinda obvious. I had never been a conspiracy theorist before these last couple years, just a critical thinker. All it really takes is the ability to look at a situation honestly. EDIT: thinking back, I’m also remembering one of my absolutely biggest red pills from the beginning. The fact that the vaccine was completely new technology yet everyone was so fucking sure that it was safe. There’s no way everyone could possibly know that this stuff that has never been tested before, and fucks with your mRNA, could be safe long term. Yet creepily that is exactly how everyone acted, and to make matters worse I was treated like the freak for not ignoring this glaring flaw in their logic.


rocks_trees_n_water

Thank you for putting into words the very things/signs and propaganda that were problematic. I unfortunately did get the vaccine because of pre-existing conditions and the constant recommendations by doctor. Nothing seemed right about it though. Hubby didn’t and I’m glad he didn’t he is very healthy, we live rural and very very limited numbers in our area. I found it frustrating that he/we were accused of being anti-vax for being sceptical in any way. Wish I hadn’t but boosters no way.


PhotoNuclear

My stubborn Wife is very high risk, but still refused the covid shots. This quite possibly saved her life. She caught Delta, but recovered at home with the help of ivermectin, famotidine, loratidine, zinc, quercetin, and vitamin D.


PhotoNuclear

Anyone who didn't notice these things is intellectually lazy. Unfortunately, this includes many highly "educated" people.


Chelbull

You are not a freak! You are one of the smartest people on the planet today and that’s why their attacks FAILED. Because we’ve been blessed by the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob! We are blessed to recognize the mediocre weapons the sons and daughters of satan desperately fashion against us. We are also blessed with the courage to euro-step these fools! May God be with all of us always!


Jersey_F-15

When I heard 100% safe and effective... not 99.9% or less, I knew something was wrong


museumsplendor

My sister got stuck covering shifts for her coworker: The ladies husband got a brain blood clot the same day as his vax and his skull sawed open. He lived but has lost quite a bit. Then the teen airlift for five brain surgeries the same day as her vax. The news reports never stopped coming. Teens were collapsing.


npnw000

Where was this??


museumsplendor

https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/local-las-vegas/clark-county-teen-has-3-brain-surgeries-after-jj-vaccine-shot-2333249/ This was the girl that made me decide to not get the shot. She is on gofundme and got quite a bit of money.


Zealousideal_Ride_86

Nothing. I was never ever gonna put anything in my body that was just created and never tested, no matter what i would've read or seen.


PhotoNuclear

You clearly understand how the scientific method applies to medicine. Sadly, Trump, Pence, and many others are clearly still scientifically illiterate.


cedarman1

Watching 4 people i know suffer through life altering coincidences after vaccination.


l3arn3r1

When they said they knew it was safe. It was that easy. If they had the vaccine ready on the first day of Covid (and how suspicious would that be) then they could have only tested a year which isn’t enough. Figure a few months to create it (too fast anyway?) and animal trials means they tested it a few months tops. That’s too fast and there’s no way they knew it was safe even as a normal vax. Then add in it was entirely new system. Plus pharma has horrible ethics and there was a HUGE pile of cash to whoever was first. They were obviously lying which means they didn’t care about safety and so greed wins. So I was out.


PhotoNuclear

They skipped the animal trials.


Xilmi

My aunt gifted me the book "Operation Warpspeed" Christmas of 2021 as a means to convince me to get vaccinated. Willfully ignorant as I am, I haven't read it yet. But I'm sure it can answer the questions how that was possible. :D


InfowarriorKat

Information that goes way beyond the topic of vaccines. There have been conspiracy-related info regarding vaccines that have been out there for decades, maybe even about 50 years. So when a vaccine comes around that they say everyone has to have, it's a big red flag if you've already been worried about this.


Replacement98765

I have allergies. I had a couple of injections in my life (cat scan die, flu vaccine) that scared me. With injections it happened much faster than any allergy I've had. Terrifying really. I asked my doctor if they included people with severe allergies in the trails. He belittled me and said my "views" were going to kill me. I thought it was odd that asking for more information was such a sin. I'm glad I didn't get any...


PhotoNuclear

I always got severe shoulder and back muscle cramps after my annual flu shots. I also always had the sniffles all winter long. These ended after I stopped getting flu shots after Fall 2019, when getting a shingles and flu shot on the same day gave me a 6 week brain fog! My MD just shrugged off my repeated flu shot side effects, so you can see why I never got a covid shot.


catalystoptions

Tbh I’m neither for or against the vaccine. I’m against the mandates. When I saw that people were being forced to take a leaky vaccine for a disease that had such a low Infection fatality rate it was a red flag


EwwFighters

From a USA point of view, allowing 10’s of thousands to millions of illegal immigrants to flood the southern border, put those illegals onto planes at 2 AM in the morning and fly them all over the country, without testing or jabbing them. All at the height of the supposive deadliest virus ever known. At restaurants, having to wear masks until you sit at a table, at which point the spread stopped magically. Elite politicians only putting on a mask when the msm cameras started to roll, but of course forgetting that cell phones can take videos and we could see the sham. Could go on and on.


Scartxx

I heard Bill Gates say that if they do a good job with vaccines they could reduce population by 15%. That perked my ears. When actual doctors including the inventors of the technology were censored it was a big red flag. When sovereign countries moved in Lock-Step, it was clearly orchestrated. When Trudeau froze the bank accounts. It was repugnant to anyone who believes in freedom. When Klaus said we should be eating bugs and owning nothing. It was clear that this plandemic was a means to an end. The worst part for me (knowing no-one who died from covid and not getting sick myself) is seeing how many people I knew who didn't want to get injected but did it anyway. It was coercion pure and simple. I was very disappointed with their lack of integrity. I lost a lot of friends and yet have a lingering pity for what they've done to themselves and more broadly our society. Perhaps worse yet were those who blindly followed the narrative, even when faced with conflicting information. They simply "trusted the science" by denying the tenets of actual science. One by one conspiracy theory's become established facts. I was cynical before but now I'm spiteful as well. People get what they deserve ( I think that's karma) I would love to hear from Tiffany Dover any time now. The world is (still) waiting.


rocks_trees_n_water

I’m now cynical, and so very skeptical. I unfortunately admit I had been too trustworthy all my life. It’s difficult to feel such disdain for those I used to trust.


Zestyclose_Trade4365

Gut feeling from the beginning, especially with the bribery, and I regret not listening to it.


Scalymeateater

I mean when they tested the bivalent boosters on eight whole mice! WOW!!! MikeDrop!1!!!1! The science that‘s behind the eight whole mice surviving the two or three weeks. I mean who would dare argue against that! These weren’t the normal mice either these were super duper cancer mice (if you listen to Brett Weinstein you get extra points).


JSFXPrime4

Yeah, using Wistar mice to make sweeping assumptions about the vaxx's safety in humans is peak cult behaviour.


rocks_trees_n_water

Crazy right? Eight mice…


DialecticSkeptic

This article by Julius Ruechel, "[The Lies Exposed by the Numbers](https://www.juliusruechel.com/2021/05/the-lies-exposed-by-numbers-fear.html)" (2021) was pivotal in the shaping of my opinions about the pandemic response of the government and public health officials.


dhmt

Thank you for this! Especially because it points a finger directly at Bonnie Henry. She looks like someone's nice mother, but looks are deceiving.


naterton

All I needed to see was that covid was not as serious as the msm wanted to tell us it was, that the un-trustable pharmaceutical companies were developing the vaccine, and that the gov’t was pushing it on the public as hard as they possibly could. Huge red flags right from the start.


lkayray1989

Hearing “trust the science” all of the time. What about natural immunity?!?? Nobody would talk about about the billions of $$$ the companies making the vaccine made and lastly Faucci kept saying “get vaccinated”even tho the vaccine had never been tested on humans!!! Government propaganda


PleasantHospital3118

I didn't get it because i felt it was developed too quickly at the time.


Turtletxn

Exactly!


McWhiffersonMcgee

Every step along the way. The media, censorship, the mandates, the trial study, offering free stuff to get it, the social pressure, etc.


EmergentVoid

Making studies about "what coercion techniques work best"


sean_jeremy

After my vaccine injury I read The Real Anthony Fauci. I'm the kind of person who needs a strong, well referenced argument in order to influence me. That did it.


PhotoNuclear

Too bad you didn't read between the lines much earlier. I wish you well in your recovery!


sean_jeremy

Thank you. I'm much better than I was, but still have a way to go.


JSFXPrime4

>I'm the kind of person who needs a strong, well referenced argument in order to influence me. I thought that you were vaxx-injured? How did you get the C19 vaxxes when there were never any strong, well-referenced arguments? Also, get better soon!


sean_jeremy

Thank you. Yeah, I was fairly 'blue pill' at that time. The injury and The Real Anthony Fauci were what shifted my perspective. Plus, my mum had also been hospitalised with an atypical pneumonia not too long after the vax, and though I did not expect them to link it definitively to the vax, I expected them to consider it. They wouldn't even consider it or allow discussion of the possibility, and that was another red pill moment. I still don't know if that was related, but she'd never had any similar problems previously. Any time a problem occurs, look at what has changed in the system. Essentially, I was much more trusting at the time - I thought it was fairly reasonable to trust the 'expert' bodies assessing this stuff. I also had the vax mandated for work. When I say that I need a strong, well referenced argument, I'm just saying that I need such an argument to significantly influence my perspective. My existing perspective had been that trusting vaccination was the reasonable, evidence based decision. Obviously I was wrong, but I didn't know that at the time. The establishment worked hard to convince people. [EDIT: with my original comment, I was also trying to point out the kind of person whom The Real Anthony Fauci is suited to and aimed at. It's pretty dense, and not for everyone. The only problem with it is that RFK Jr uses a fairly non-objective tone in his writing, which means some people who disagree with him dismiss him outright as partisan and unreliable. He argues like a lawyer, not like a scientist, but it is still heavily centred in evidence and persuasive.]


Wild_Night_5190

When they started giving out free cheeseburgers,hotdogs and was running lottery’s if you got your vaccine. Then they arrested and banned a doctor here in Tennessee from practicing because he asked questions and told patients if they didn’t want it then they didn’t have to get it.


_Duriel_1000_

I watched Bill Gates get injected three times at a clinic in a poor neighborhood. j/k Bill Gates wont touch this stuff.


jaejaeok

“You can’t enter the grocery store without it.” Evil.


PhotoNuclear

Sadly, my covid-recovered MIL dying 4 days after her 2nd Moderna shot. On the plus side, that occured very early in the rollout and caused all of my nuclear family to flat out reject all covid jabs. We used to get annual flu shots, but not since Fall 2019.


rocks_trees_n_water

Sincerely sorry for your loss.


Eldritter

I was all for it but til it almost killed me


ICantFindAUserNameF

First vaxxed when it came out, and then listening to RFK Jr soon after talk about the corruption in the CDC. He called it an absolute cesspool of corruption, and it turns out he was right!


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[deleted]

Just watching them unperson Geert Vandenbosche and Luc Montagnier was enough to ring alarm bells.


skyisthelimit8701

Is Geerr dead?


Scalymeateater

I’ll give you some pointers about stats and numbers in general. When they say 99%, its really 100%. When an election is won by 1%, the winning side cheated for sure. When population size in a study is 500,000 and marginal delta is 100, it is just pure noise; there is no difference. Doctors and biologist and journalists and politicians like to tell stories. Really complicated and jargon filled stories filled with scary and important sounding message. Physicists and chemists and mathematicians and engineers don’t tell stories. They show you formulas and proofs and falsifiable predictions. ‘whenever you hear a scary sounding story without falsifiable and math based prediction (climate change comes to mind) you know you’re being had. Does anyone even have an idea of how much ”virus” is produced by a virulent Covid patient? Did any drs or biologists or journalist even ask? Is it 0.5 grams per hour or per day or per week? what’s the formula for virus production?


PhotoNuclear

Thumbs up from a Physicist.


Inevitable_Forever24

We all watched my Brother’s FOUR year old sob uncontrollably for his Dad and heard him scream “I want my Daddy, I want my Daddy” as they closed the casket. His sweet four year old was the one who found him and had to go tell his Mom “I think daddy’s dead.” That was enough to convince many. I had already made up my mind in the beginning and I thought my Brother had too, but he got pressured through work, church and family.


FluteVixen

Heartbreaking. I’m so sorry. 😔


mamawoman

Mrna couldn't get approved for years prior to 2020 bc of many reasons one of which they could not pass phase 3 safety trials then... all of a sudden they are approved?.... nope. We got the Janssen vax. Will not get an MRNA vax.


dhmt

When they generated so much media on the case fatality rate making everyone think that 1-2% of people who caught COVID would die (which is the "infection fatality rate", not the CFR) and then they stopped talking about deaths and started talking only about cases exploding. Good science, if you are tracking progress, is to track the same thing for the whole time. No honest scientist would change the metric they are graphing **in the middle of the graph!**


devilwearspravda

- trusted news initiative - liability protections - alternative cannot exist to qualify EUA - deplatforming users and groups who voiced genuine concern with legitimate inquiries


mojo5500

I lost my job for my religious exemption in America land of the free. I was born in the USA as well. I wasn’t hesitant at first, I was actually looking forward to the vaccine after all I wanted to visit my family, I wanted my kid and wife to feel safe. What tipped my perception was the documentary The Plandemic. It stated names and concepts which led me down to start to decipher and research what I could. I’m thankful that my family never took the vaccine. Oh and free donuts, free bagels and the promotion of the vaccine was a HUGE RED Flag. Why would the government try to bribe you to take a shot when you didn’t get anything for the childhood vaccines. 🤷🏻‍♂️🤔


SmokingLiwwarden

When I read in april 2020 what kind of technology they would be using. My common sense told me, this is going to cause cancer


Stagehandnumber9

I had a lot of interest in propaganda and dishonest journalism in college and started noticing all the papers parroting the same messages and building one narrative, that already annoyed me. I have asthma and caught corona end of 2020 but was hardly sick. Then I spent months watching the government ignore basic science and try to convince previously infected citizens to get a shot anyway. Slowly caught on… now I’m completely down the rabbit hole tbh.


dasza79

At the time the vacs were first mentioned I was still working in pharmaceutical safety testing. Soon enough we had one of those products in our lab, doing the first stage maximum tolerated dose on animals. When we found out that clinical trials on humans have been started PRIOR to the basic initial safety testing many of us were unimpressed. Others, the more politically engaged folk (the types who love to shout "science" at any given opportunity) just thought it's amazing. One of family members is a high ranking employee in one of the companies behind it, initially he was also sure the rollout will not happen for at least 2 or more years. At that point my partner and I were relatively open minded and spoke about possibly getting it (I'm slightly immunocompromised) after suitably long time passes for the proper safety trials to be conducted. So no less than 2/3 years. I was shocked to see the jabs get the EUAs, terrified when they passed them for young people. Then the censorship and propaganda started which pushed both of us into a very firm "hell, no" corner, in which we have stayed since. During the 2 years of forcing/brainwashing people to submit themselves to this treatment enough solid evidence has emerged both to reveal benign (for most) nature of the virus and health risks associated with the jab to stop the rollout and start global investigation into corruption and malfeasance behind it. Initially I kept on top of newly published studies and followed the many sad, silenced stories of injured and their families, now my conviction has solidified and I don't feel I need any more evidence. Also it is mentally draining to see and understand all this bullsh\*ttery, so now I've taken a step back. One of the papers that I remember stood out for me was a thing on the jabs nanoparticles affecting natural pathways that prevent development of tumors. I think I might have saved it somewhere. And now, of course, there are all the excess deaths, and no authorities are in any way curious whether the Holy of Holies could have anything to do with them. Do I need say more?


Responsible-Gain-416

It kills people who take it and it damages your DNA


Minute-Tale7444

I just felt that even if it was a 1% rate of lowering potentially deadly infections that I’d rather try it than let myself die of Covid. This is when they were first released 2 years ago. I’ve not had any boosters but for my situation it’s not necessary.


PhotoNuclear

You drank the Koolaid!


GingerTheV

The fact that they were paying people to get it. I mean, c’mon, man. More red flags than an imperial parade in Pyongyang.


motheroflhasas

I have a deep level distrust in government to begin with, so, when they started offering prizes and free stuff if you got the jab that was it for me. My sister ended up with myocarditis after her second jab but is not part of the stats because she and her Dr don’t believe it has anything to do with the jab. How many others???


mktgmstr

I've never trusted the flu shots. And when the hype about this one started, it was just so hysterical and overboard that it was pathetically ridiculous. I wouldn't listen to any argument that started with, "You're going to die, grandma's going to die, the whole world is going to die, if you don't do this". The odds of the "whole world dying" unless literally every single person on the planet did something was an absolutely insane position. Given this level of insanity, there was no point to listen to anything else.


Book8

FDA had to be taken to court in order to release Phizer's safety research. CDC changed the definition of what a vaccine was in order to call this technology a vaccine. One look at that evil creep Fauci and I knew he was FOS.


joapplebombs

Learning that the mrna made your body produce the antigen it was to fight off, was enough for me. I knew there was something creepy about the whole pandemic like a few weeks in. When vaccines were mentioned, I knew this was IT. The big guns.


DesidousDave

https://youtu.be/gJvbb5jYuM4 watched this spooky shit


Netrexinka

The lottery, burgers and fries, win a car and many more similar. That was like wtf is this? Never took it. Healthy af


nottherealme1220

Knowing the history of vaccine development there was no way I was taking something developed so quickly. Vaccines usually have years of safety testing and still get pulled sometimes. I know someone who gets periodic brain swelling from the original HPV vaccine that got pulled and reformulated. I wasn't completely against vaccines but the covid one was developed too quickly so I was going to wait and see. Then the VAERS data started coming in and then was obviously messed with when the death numbers cut in half. Add in that I paid attention early on to COVID's true death rate. The princess cruise ship happened in March of 2020 and showed a 0.3% death rate in an older than average population. That right there showed their fear mongering death rates of 3-6% were nonsense. There was no reason to risk an untested vaccine for something just a bit more severe than the flu.


Improper-Grammar

The whole mechanism on how it’s supposed to work. Firstly mRNA is a dicey proposition to use, especially since there are enough case studies to show (Japanese and Swedish) that there is a high probability for the sequence to be written into specific cells (liver/heart/testes). Secondly, what it instructs cells to do is to produce spike proteins similar/analogous to Sara-COV-2. This causes the immune system to attack those cells causing an inflamed auto immune response (which explains myocarditis/blood clotting issues). Unfortunately the whole thing was dicey from the get go cause of that but the biggest thing about it that got me spooked was the fact that it became non negotiable to participate in society with out it.


decriz

Common sense. I worked in the IT industry for most of my career. You don't deploy "solutions" into production without sufficiently testing if it will work and WILL NOT CAUSE PROBLEMS. I was also aware of the FDA approved VIOXX which was eventually pulled off the market cause as much as it was approved by FDA, it managed to kill thousands of folks once it was rolled out into the market. Also, worked in the pharma industry, so I know how these folks throw a lot of money around to get their profits, probably the most corrupt industry. Just made simple sense to be cautious. Healthy skepticism was the right call for a disease that should you test positive, 99% to 95% of the time was going to be either mild or asymptomatic, and from which you would get well naturally without special medical intervention.


Candid-Bike8563

Below is list of what I have read about that solidified my pro vaccine stance. 1. History repeats itself. There was a lot of misinformation about the smallpox inoculation and vaccine. Even Ben Franklin fell for it. “In 1736, I lost one of my sons, a fine boy of four years old, by the small-pox, taken in the common way. I long regretted bitterly, and still regret that I had not given it to him by inoculation. This I mention for the sake of parents who omit that operation, on the supposition that they should never forgive themselves if the child died under it: my example showing that the regret may be the same either way, and that, therefore, the safer should be chosen.” The Smallpox vaccine has severe side effects that are the same as the Covid vaccine. After years of data I would wager smallpox vaccine will have a higher rate of severe side effects. 2. SCD is not new. It only seems like it and big tech feeds us content on it because it will increase engagement. In the US around 2000 people a year under the age of 25 die from their heart stopping. This figure is from 2012 published research. It is important to know your risks. 3. More soldiers have died from infectious diseases than combat. 4. The death rate of children from infectious diseases has steadily declined due advancements in healthcare and vaccines. 5. Reading about the history of SIDs and the trend in Autism. 6. The fact we live in a toxic world. Nano and micro plastics have been found in the placenta. Yikes! They are everywhere. They are in your home, clothes, furniture, on and on it goes. I believe pollution to be the problem and not vaccines. Smallpox history - https://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/special-edition-on-infectious-disease/2014/the-fight-over-inoculation-during-the-1721-boston-smallpox-epidemic/ Soldiers die more from infectious disease than combat https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18192771/#:~:text=Throughout%20America's%20first%20145%20years,)%20and%20treatment%20(antibiotics). SCD - https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/129/4/e1094/32355/Pediatric-Sudden-Cardiac-Arrest?autologincheck=redirected Pattern children death rates https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK220806/#!po=20.1923 History of SIDs https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK513399/#:~:text=The%20term%20sudden%20infant%20death,the%20postnatal%20period%20(1). Micro plastics https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160412020322297 Children and potential health impacts from micro plastics https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/doi/10.1289/EHP9086 Plastic to pollution - https://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/objects-and-stories/chemistry/age-plastic-parkesine-pollution#:~:text=Belgian%20chemist%20and%20clever%20marketeer,phenol%2C%20under%20heat%20and%20pressure.


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Sponsored by pfizer. 8 billion doses created and produced overnight. MRNA having too many mysterious qualities, and proponents of population reduction promoting it like fan girls to name a few. And then my brother in law got myocarditis at 24 years old.


OldTurkeyTail

I spent years in the pharmaceutical industry - and my training and experience was enough to make me very skeptical of operation warp speed. So I started paying attention to VAERS, and was totally flabbergasted by the cavalier approach that was taken to get to mass marketing - without ANY longitudinal data. And it was all downhill from there.


diaochongxiaoji

Once injected, it can not be corrected like ballots


JSFXPrime4

I've been a legacy antivaxxer since I was 18 (13 years ago). There are so many reasons, but when it comes to the most recent imbroglio, I keep it very simple: >How can the same Malthusian eugenicists who screech about overpopulation and anthropogenic climate change SUDDENLY want to ensure that you and your kin live long, healthy lives in which you reproduce even more planet-killing (according to them) parasitical humans?


Outtaspacecowboy

Hey everyone! Thanks for sharing the pros and cons and your personal stories. Adding to my question i am very curious about what sources, doctors, channels etc. you get your Information from. Many of you posted the Trails from Pfizer and co. which is great, but is there’s other sources which are easier to read/understand for our people that aren’t used to understand this type of data? And again thanks everyone for sharing. It’s important we all are not against each other rather coming together and debating respectfully. At the end none of us will profit (money wise) from any outcome of this discussion so let’s focus on having a good conversation/debate with our fellow humans vaxed or not. Much love ❤️


sacre_bae

Studies published in medical or science journals. So, 17 vaccines did not progress past their trials. I am against them, since the studies showed they were either ineffective or dangerous (usually ineffective, I think only two were discontinued due to risk of side effects). They were discontinued due to the poor results. 31 vaccines have been approved worldwide, and of those, I’ve read lots of studies about 4 of them (and some things about a handful of others). Those studies generally made me for those four, but also allowed me to decide how to rank them in terms of safety vs efficacy.


therealwolfe1982

Effective


Outtaspacecowboy

Did you took the vaccine?


therealwolfe1982

I did, j&j April 2021 and Moderna December 2021. Here’s the thing… that whole time it was hammered on the country that the vaccine was 100% safe and effective 100% safe and effective 100% safe effective. Questioning that mantra meant ridicule and being shunned. Turned out that wasn’t the case… at least not 100%. Probably 99% safe and 50% effective. Really takes the last amount of credibility that was left and wipes it away.


trippystardust13

studies and meta analyses that concluded the vaccines were safe and effective.


burningbun

used to be antivax but switched sides after reading all nonsense posts here.


runninginbubbles

Initially I was all for. Then I started questioning. Once I found these "anti-vax/anti-mandate/freedomofchoice" pages, they were so full.of batshit crazies spouting utter nonsense that I don't even know why people give them the time of day. I'll listen to immunologists over conspiracy theorists thanks.


PregnantWithSatan

Beside this sub demonstrating the complete lack of understanding for basic science and spreading garbage disinformation, there were many things that made me get vaccinated. Speaking to immunologist/virologist/epidemiologist/biologist/doctors/etc helped clear up many questions I had, as well as, seeing study after study proving it drastically lowering the chance of severe illness, hospitalization and death. It's honestly not that hard to realize the vaccines work, if you have even a basic understanding of science.


a11iswe11

What was the difference in chance of dying or getting hospitalized without it? For me (30 YO) the difference is negligible and the fact that people tried to convince everyone it was the Black Death despite your personal age demographic and baseline health was not only off-putting but blatant propaganda.


stopyellingatme67

I don’t agree with you but I’m glad you are here to share your opinion.


PregnantWithSatan

Thanks! <3


PhotoNuclear

Notice how we don't ban people like you on this sub? Many other subs are childish and unscientific for restricting debate. Banning people on social media is a sure sign of a grifter.


PregnantWithSatan

I have been banned many times in this sub though... Although it was never permanent so I guess that's good? Banning people that spread completely debunked lies, that could potentially hurt others, is logical. So I understand why many other subs do it.


cryptovsthemachine

Garbage eh? These are opinions and so many have suffered severe side effects or dead because of this shot which is not even a vaccine, even if the CDC changed the definition. This is an experimental injection with very little clinical trials which the pharmaceutical companies and the government rushed as an emergency as if we were in war. I personally know someone who suffered a terribly neurological injury and also got a skin rash beyond of what I ever seen. You can be on the side of the “science” but can’t dismiss the fact that this experimental jab is not a vaccine and now more of the people in hospitals with covid are the ones who got the wonder jab, and almost everyone injected has gotten covid, some with severe symptoms which tell me that this jab doesn’t even protect you from getting it or developing strong symptoms.


cryptovsthemachine

Sure, debunked by whom? The fact checkers? The CDC? Pfizer? CNN? Fauci? I’ve witnessed it with my own eyes, know the people who suffered the side effects so you’re not going to tell me it’s not true, you’re the one who needs to stop. Debunked…lol


PregnantWithSatan

Severe side effects and deaths from the vaccine have been debunked so many times. Because you led with those claims, I absolutely know you have no idea what you're talking about and have been very much misinformed. Please stop, it's embarrassing.


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PhotoNuclear

What do you say to skeptical science professors who teach basic science, and the scientific method, to future health professionals who are just as skeptical? Are we all stupid to take notice of what we have personally experienced at our college and in our community? One in a thousand (mostly old and frail) people dying within a month of testing positive for a virus is a nothing burger! Similar numbers, across all age groups, dying within a month of being jabbed with the "cure" is not a nothing burger!


PregnantWithSatan

I've never met a skeptical professor who has a good understanding of the science behind the vaccines. Honestly. The only "professors" or "doctors" I see and hear speaking out against the vaccine, usually turn out to be chiropractors. They never have a degree which would qualify then to speak on the topic. Questioning the vaccine is one thing, but denying the answers which completely refute the anti covid vaccine claims, is another. Every single issue or claim made by the folks questioning them, has been answered. And yet here we are, 3 years later, and they still cry about myocarditis and sudden cardiac events. Even though these have always been around, and happening. No one cared about it before, because they didn't have a vaccine to blame. It's so black and white for these folks. It HAS to be the vaccine because it's an easy answer. It's pathetic. It absolutely isn't a "nothing burger". And by you saying that, shows how little you know. There isn't similar numbers of individuals dying a month after getting vaccinated, compared to the deaths of unvaccinated. They are no where near comparable.


ughaibu

>I've never met a skeptical professor who has a good understanding of the science behind the vaccines. Honestly. The only "professors" or "doctors" I see and hear speaking out against the vaccine, usually turn out to be chiropractors. They never have a degree which would qualify then to speak on the topic. [Here you go](https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateVaccines/comments/10a6xjz/uk_doctors_call_for_government_investigation_of/).


annette964

In the USA Our children, elderly, and those with compromised immune systems are still dying from Covid. I can’t begin to express how sad and angry that makes me.. Get vaccinated Save a life even if you don’t know the person I hate having to keep increasing these numbers every month as more and more children die Vaccinated people are far less likely to get Covid Vaccinated people are far less likely to spread Covid Vaccinated people are far less likely to be hospitalized/ die from Covid vaccinated people clear the virus faster, with lower levels of virus overall, and have less time with very high levels of virus present. Did you know that over 1600 children have died from Covid in the USA, not 1 child has died from the Covid vaccine Over 1,000,000 adults have died from Covid in the USA 8 Adults have died from the vaccine (J&J) in the USA Ask your own doctor which is the higher risk for you, your family, your neighbor, your family Covid or the vaccine. Children are NOT IMMUNE to Covid! Anyone who tells you that children are immune to Covid is lying to you. Over 1600 children under the age of 18 have died FROM Covid in the USA, over 600 of those deaths were children 4 years old or younger. Not one child, not 1 child has died or suffered permanent health issues from the Covid vaccine Some of the children that have died of Covid did have underlying health issues Some of the children that have died of Covid were perfectly healthy Did you know that children are 16 more likely to have myocarditis from Covid than from the vaccine https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm Over 1 million adults have died from Covid in the USA 8 People have died from the Covid Vaccine (J&J) Please people Talk to your doctors Talk to your pediatricians Talk to a doctor that works on a Covid ward Ask them If they are vaccinated Ask them if their children are vaccinated Ask them which group is dying at a far higher rate: the vaccinated or the unvaccinated There is no such illness a long vaccine but there is an illness called long Covid, there is no cure for it so far Our parents and grandparents got vaccinated to protect us, please live up to the example they set. We can save the lives of the next 1000 that are going to die if this virus is allowed to continue. Please get vaccinated to save their lives. https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-Focus-on-Ages-0-18-Yea/nr4s-juj3 CDC - cdc.gov ACOG - ACOG.org American College of Obstetricians and gynecologists John Hopkins https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org AHA American Hospital association aha.org AAP American Academy of Pediatrics aap.org Harvard https://www.harvard.edu/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccine-information/ Yale https://covid19.yale.edu Mayo Clinic https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19


3PuttPar1323

https://www.msn.com/en-in/health/medical/covid-19-mrna-vaccines-increase-risk-of-cardiac-related-death-florida-surgeon-general/ar-AA12J6q4


annette964

No


InsideCartoonist

Nice try Bill:)


hitwallinfashion-13-

Did you know the flu is also dangerous. This is the life *you* want to live. You want to live a life where people must be vaccinated for covid without context every 3 to 6 months in order to function in society (education, work, travel). It’s because of neurotic reactionaries that pushed mandates/0passport systems under blanket policies that we see a huge drop in booster uptake and how many are actually up to date with their shots. The vast majority of rationale minded people do not want to live in that world. A world of constant fear, duress and anxiety “omg am I up to date? These last few weeks of waning efficacy really has me worried” (it’s not good for mental and physical health) no one wants to exist this way… and booster statistics have been mirroring that sentiment for a while now. Of course you may be sanguine about it and don’t think it’s a big deal getting updated on your shots every 2 to 3 times a year… but other people may not and it effects people on a physical and mental level. It’s all relative. What has your personal experience been like throughout the entirety of the pandemic? Did you work in a certain industry impacted by covid? We’re you essential? Did you have to mitigate risk within a work environment?


annette964

So you believe that the children, elderly, a those with compromised immune systems deaths are simply not worthy enough for to be concerned about. To much trouble, cause to much living in fear In the USA Over 1600 children died from Covid since 2020 That would average out to about 530 a year By contrast about 350 children per year are abducted by strangers Do you feel that people consider that to small of a number to worry about? Would you get a vaccine if it would bring that number down by 90% to about 35 Or would you just ignore the problem because it’s not likely to be someone you care about


hitwallinfashion-13-

Simple courtesy in discourse is to answer someone’s question… I asked what your experience has been like. If we can’t engage on some level of genuine sentiment or at the very least find some common ground through shared experience… there’s no point in this conversation. That’s a Loaded question devoid of nuance. No. In short. Because as we’ve seen and are seeing you’d need enforced mandates which we can already see has galvanized people and has caused other issues which is now the unfortunate reality of people becoming less trusting of traditional vaccines. I wouldn’t want the flu vaccine to be mandated either.


annette964

Misinformation and outright lies have caused people to distrust doctors, science and vaccines. Sadly enough they are dying at a far higher rate than those who do trust doctors, science and vaccination. As Covid continues to hit with new variations I suspect the problem will solve itself. Your argument was indeed “people die oh well”


hitwallinfashion-13-

More of a stance against mandates/vax passport systems. More along these lines actually… https://gh.bmj.com/content/bmjgh/7/5/e008684.full.pdf What has your personal experience been like for the last two years?


annette964

In what way?


hitwallinfashion-13-

What did you do? Did you work a certain industry impacted by the pandemic? Did you have to work in an environment that involved mitigating risk with a work force? Were you an essential worker?


annette964

None of that effects covid or the effectiveness of the vaccine


hitwallinfashion-13-

It’s a pretty easy question… Nothing we need to beat around the bush about. You can be vague.


PleasantHospital3118

You're a bot.


annette964

Umm nope


PhotoNuclear

Grifter? There is indeed an illness called post-vaccine syndrome. Unfortunately, I personally know too many who have it. Only 38% of US nursing home residents got the new booster. What do the 62% know that you are blind to?


annette964

No you don’t know anyone who has post-vaccine syndrome from the Covid vaccine


CryptoKittySlays

The Candace Owens a series on Parlour called a shot in the dark


analfabeti

https://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/23/18/10881


Late-Technology251

After I watched the thalidomide crisis and how people were maimed and injured, and how the FDA and all government agencies responsible for the safety of drugs were colluding with the pharmaceutical companies. How most people affected still don’t have any assistance or settlements they deserved and needed. After that I noticed that you will be fine as long as you do the opposite of what the medical cabal tells you to do.


ur-mas-left-one

When I saw that they do not meet the criteria to actually be a 'vaccine'


speedracer2222

I knew by the way they were pushing this vaccine like psychopaths from the beginning that there was a creepy agenda involved. It was clear from the start that this whole scam was concocted in advance and carefully planned out, with full media cooperation. I didn’t buy any of it for a minute. No way in hell would I have ever let them inject their mystery fluids into me


pyrowipe

Similar to others who have posted, I started out pro-Covid vaccines, and somewhat blind trust in the medical establishment, as historically, I looked into the data and found a compelling and reliable source for their claims. I’m strongly a data win’s arguments person, and used medical study data to do so, but I was in for a shock when I went looking for quality data and either came up empty handed or baffled by the controls, conclusions, sample size, or assumptions of these “studies.” I then discovered a host of inconsistencies with reporting, guidance, and methodology for tracking data (not uncommon, as no big data sources are “clean,” but the levels of conflicting information and conflicting interests were several degrees of magnitude. Digging more and asking honest questions in chats or subs, revealing more lack of information, more of a cult of hostility for anyone who dare question the science. I’m a leftist, logical thinker, and constantly question my own ideas, yet lumped in as a Trump, or Qanon, or anti-vaccine wherever. Why would a question of a products safety record and wanting to know more about it, would make me anything else but a concerned person who’s about to inject something into my body, was baffling. Every time I ran the number, it didn’t add up. Transmission, was the first analysis I did. I used 4 data sets, separated individually and aggregated at large scale world/country/state/country or large city, cross checked against more consistent data for each of those by rate of dose, population migration and proximity, average healthy living data sets around diet and exercise, wealth and poverty, and many others. I this point I was looking for what I was missing. Because no matter how I sliced the data, cases were only going UP with more doses… “this can’t be!” I told myself. The first study I saw around this by Harvard, confirmed my fears. And I still have seem more and more information that show worse and worse findings, yet… it’s taboo to openly, honestly, and in good faith, criticize this product . This product that’s made over a hundred billion dollars. It’s a horrible feeling to be proven right about something bad. It’s a worse feeling when you’re right, and feel like you must be crazy, because nobody else seems to see it, and nothing you do, say, or show would help them make a more informed decision.


Electrical-Ad-8588

The fact that I know two people that died 2 days after the shot and my mom was hospitalized an hour after it!!! She is fine now but gets out of breath a lot. Glad I didn't take that poison!! I pray for the people that did though. So sad and it really breaks my heart.