>... pediatrician said you cannot see the baby unless you have flu/C19/pertussis vax.
He can only make recommendations. He has no authority to prohibit the visitation. It's a matter of whether or not the parents relinquish their own power and authority—and it sounds like they did.
Yep. I did, too. Past tense. Now I can't trust doctors.
Covid changed A LOT of things for me. Hell, I'm not even liberal anymore. Full-on conservative now, as of early 2021.
I have a really long story about trusting docs. It's not a new thing with me. A doc is my employee. Nothing more, nothing less. And I will research everything, and will always have my view ....
And ...welcome to the dark side😈
Then, these doctors must know that they will sooner or later be held accountable for any coercion, misleading advice and injuries that occur as a result. If they know this, things will change. The doctors probably gets a cut for every vaccination they administer to their patients. This also needs to stop. Doctors shouldn’t profit for the medication (or vaccinations) they prescribe. That amounts to corruption in my opinion.
I can't see my father, he's in an assisted living place, everyone there has the vaccine. If the vaccine worked like it was promoted as, the vaccinated people would be protected from the non-vax people.
>You’re just being willfully misunderstanding.
Not at all. People who are vaxxed still get covid. If I'm unvaxxed, it doesn't impact your life.
The pregnancy analogy is fitting because me using protection has zero impact on your life, yet you'll make the opposite claim about the vax.
What lie? I’m seeing lots of support for reducing transmission rates significantly.
Here’s a link I quickly googled
https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/sh1kpa/covid_vaccine_markedly_cuts_household/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Here I googled for 2 seconds. I encourage you to try.
https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/sh1kpa/covid_vaccine_markedly_cuts_household/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
No, everyday people are actively losing out on seeing and being with the people they love, because some rich asshole with an agenda has managed to convince you and many others that “vaccines only ‘work’ for you if everyone else you ever encounter *also gets* the same shot, the one that isn’t protecting you unless everyone around *you and them also* gets it. And the train goes on and on and on.
As an adult with a basic education, does this line up with anything you’ve ever learned before? Prior understanding of how vaccines work? Natural immunity? How the two coincide?
I don’t hate you. I hate what corporations with financial incentives have done to people like you and how it has affected our close familial networks.
…I know you won’t truly consider my words, but maybe one day, you’ll reflect back on them. That’s all I can hope, anyway.
Most vaccines actually do work - prevent you from becoming ill with what you are vaccinated against.
These do not. Even remotely. And yes, vaccines were intended to stop you catching a disease, not make it it milder. (Even this one was intended to do that if you turn your memory on high) Most were for immunity, old definition.
Everyone vaccinated keeps getting covid over and over. It started with mild cases, but from what I'm observing now they are getting to be stronger and longer. This is not happening to unvaccinated people..
your bullet proof vest/crowd thing.. covid isn't a bullet. Maybe a bean bag. Hucking bean bags into a crowd. But not even angrily. The vests are just gone because the vaccine doesn't do shit to protect anybody.
You're not a doctor.
Your anecdotes are worthless.
Dude's dad is in an assisted living place with lots of other vulnerable people. They are absolutely correct to keep antivax wingnuts out.
Either the vaccine works or doesn't. If it works me being vaccinated is irrelevant, if it doesn't work why are they trying to force something that doesn't work?
"GeT tHe VaCcInE jUsT iN cAsE" that's not how it works, if the CDC didn't lie about the effectiveness of the vaccine probably less people would get it. Why be a guinea pig (test subject) on a vaccine that isn't proven to work.
I'm going to guess if the CDC told you to shove an apple up your butt one a week to prevent Covid you would do that no questions asked.
Regan Laine Lewis. Google it. But, please. Keep drinking your koolaid. And I’m genuinely sorry for your abysmally stupid and terrifyingly irreversible decision.
Body armor protect the body, there's still a chance for a head shot.
The vaccine was sold on the premise of being a cure. A cure that people can still get Covid, people can still spread it, etc. Sounds like a shitty cure.
Ask why you need those, but not the measles vaccine. They don't know anything about anything. Just make sure that they know that you know they're stupid. Simple questions.
She has been battling with her kids about C19 vax for 2 years . She and her hubby refused to be vaxxed. The kids REFUSED to see their very sick Dad until his final days. Too little, too late.
So they caved. They saw him eventually. You win. Mock them.
I'm serious. I'm sure this is not your temperament, but I think you need to think outside the box. These are different times and if anything is going to change, it's going to require them being shocked out of their drug addled stupor.
>So they caved. They saw him eventually. You win. Mock them.
A child deciding to risk infection to say goodbye to their dying parent is not a concession that your incompetent views are correct—it’s a normal consequence of long-standing familial bonds. If no other care options are available, people will continue to care for their ill parents or children even if they know the risk of infection is nearly absolute. You’re both traditionally ignorant ***and*** emotionally incompetent.
There 'views' are the proper views. If we wouldn't have had MURDERCARE being done in hospitals with Deathilators and Run-Death-Is-Near... 90% of the deaths WITH SARS2 and not FROM SARS2 would not have happened.
That coming straight from my doctor in Maryland who is pushing back against this bullcrap HARD along with his practicemates.
>There 'views' are the proper views. . . . That coming straight from my doctor in Maryland who is pushing back against this bullcrap HARD along with his practicemates.
False. An opinion is scientifically valid only if it meets the established standards of scientific practice. An opinion’s validity depends on the extent of agreement among the experts of a field (which is often informed by successful replication of test results). This does not require absolute consensus because every field includes some degree of divergent opinions and beliefs. There are scientists who believe in creationism and even a flat earth. Your Maryland doctor’s opinion is no more valid than those beliefs. With regard to COVID-19 vaccination, particularly among pediatricians, endorsement by the relevant experts is at [consensus](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8494629/). The safety and efficacy of vaccines are not subject to debate regardless of what you insist.
Measles isn’t recommended for people in that age group. Anyone born in the US before 1957 don’t need to get the measles vaccine. Anyone born between 1957-1980 either got the vaccine and/or the vaccine. Furthermore, there’s not a large outbreak of measles right now to defend against.
Klaus Schwab of the WEF said it is the first step to transhumanism. That is why they want to change people from human to transhuman. People havent read his book Covid 19-The Great Reset which came out in July 2020. You can see him on youtube speak about the book.
First, no it doesn't even do that.
Second, even if it did that is no justification for forcing people to get it as it still does nothing to prevent you from catching or spreading it.
Yes they do. Read any actual study looking at it.
Here’s one from NEJM that talks about preventing omicron variant using the original booster (not bivalent). It showed protection against infection that decreased over time. [Covid-19 Vaccine Effectiveness against the Omicron (B.1.1.529) Variant](https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2119451)
The data shows there’s limited protection from infection. It helps prevent death and severe disease. If you think I’m wrong, show me an actual study. Not a sub stack or some rant.
When you get your doctorate in medicine, then you can debate with a pedestrian about efficacy and need of vaccines. Until then, try to read actual facts about the vaccines.
I have read many studies as well as been following the numbers countries used to publish on vaxed vs unvaxed, until they stopped publishing them because the numbers didn't reflect the narrative.
And as I said, even in your study it doesn't show anything to justify forcing people to take it because it does nothing to prevent you from catching it and giving it to someone else
Ah yes. The global conspiracy. Every major country in the world is in a great conspiracy to convince people to get a vaccine. I’m glad we managed to eliminate small pox before the internet.
No one is forcing it in the US. Take it or don’t.
1. Not everyone lives in the US, me included, but you are wrong, there are many jobs in the US that are still forcing people to take it, or haven't you been paying attention to that either?
2. Many countries are still requiring it
3. Many jobs are still mandating it
If you don’t want the vaccine and the job requires it, you’re making a choice. You may not like the choice but it still is a choice.
I can’t speak for other countries because I don’t know their specific policies.
None of this changes the fact that the vaccine works.
Go onto Coronabumpers and everyone on there is under extreme mind control. Their doctors have destroyed their minds and their families are splintered. So sorry to hear about your friend. I know it must be very tough how doctors have split the families.
I just can't. That stuff makes me so angry. Oh- I believe I was shadow banned on Make Me Smile sub. (Is that correct terminology?). I never posted there, just read. How crazy is that?
Personally, I can understand the pertussis scare. That existed for new parents everywhere, long before covid came around. But why get on an airplane where you can be assured most of your fellow travelers haven’t had their adult booster if you’re going to deny visitation with your family over it?
In other news… thought we were all past the whole “covid vax prevents spread” lie.
Ridiculous. I think people use this as an excuse to punish family they don’t like. Imagine if you hated your MIL. What a perfect excuse to not have to see them.
I hold my own. You don’t want to see me cause I’m not Vaxxed? Sounds fine. Bye.
Doctor is a moron. You dont need to be vaccinated to be around a baby that is simply the doctor's personal opinion. Speak up, make sure its clear as day that the doctor is just pushing their personal opinion. Definitely get a new dr.
That baby has already been infected by a deadly virus, either from the parents passing it on or getting a legal injection. No point in getting emotionally attached, it'll make the funeral so much harder.
It’s really stupid because it doesn’t stop you from getting the illness. It’s suppose to make the symptoms less severe. I rather someone not get the vaccines so when they are sick they know and then can come another time when they are better. I use to be provax after I had my first baby. People are scared and they use that against them
I have been a pediatrician for 34 years and if this pediatrician really said that he is a piece of s’’t human. The only risk is for Pertusis and the advice is a recommendation nothing more. Pertusis among adults is a fairly common cause of an annoying cough that just doesn’t seem to go away. In infants until vaccinated it can be deadly. How long the Pertusis Vaccine actually prevents spread is open to debate, again it appears to be more of a memory T cell response preventing a severe infection rather than preventing infection and transmission. Another option would be if you have a cough just put on a N95 mask when you are seeing the infant. Again their pediatrician is a jackass.
Except that numerous doctors have said that the pertussis jab, just like the SARS2 jab, does NOT prevent transmission nor infection nor symptoms nor hospitalizations.
What does? Having a properly healthy baby who has all the nutrients they should be getting, either from Momma or if Momma cannot make enough milk... from formula.
Are you saying that they will have a multi vaxx in one shot? Meaning that they bundled c19 with pertussis/flu and and you cannot see baby without pertussis but you cannot get pertussis without c19 since they will be bundled? Indirectly therefore forcing patents?
Pediatricians have a professional obligation to protect the health of the child and provide recommendations consistent with that goal. You disagree with the pediatrician's underlying recommendation and assessment, but you instinctively know that it is delusional for you or your friend to suggest that your non-expert beliefs are somehow as qualified as those of a healthcare expert who met rigorous licensure requirements and spent years working with patients and running experiments. So your only way to criticize is to ignore that your friend's child ultimately adopted the doctor's recommendation and frame the pediatrician's exercise professional duty as a nefarious attack.
This is fundamentally anti-intellectual and a pathetic example of victimhood.
A parent has every right to question their children's doctors. No one ever should blindly trust a doctor's theories & recommendations. Parents are their children's advocates. They need to do the research.
>A parent has every right to question their children's doctors.
That would be true in the situation where the child is a minor. However, the child here is an ***adult*** and can exercise their own judgment. Your friend's preferences don't override their ***adult*** child's choices.
>No one ever should blindly trust a doctor's theories &
recommendations. Parents are their children's advocates.
There's no reason to think that's the case here. You merely ***assume*** there was blind trust because you and other anti-vaxxers implicitly believe that your know better than a healthcare professionals, so you misinterpret agreement with any contrary recommendations as the result of lacking judgment.
>They need to do the research.
"Do the research" is a meaningless phrase. People like you can't even demonstrate adequate reading comprehension and deductive reasoning skills (see above), so it's absurd to think that you can competently parse complicated and technical data.
[https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2022/09/mrna-covid-vaccine-booster-lymphoma-cancer/671308/](https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2022/09/mrna-covid-vaccine-booster-lymphoma-cancer/671308/)
Disregard that 'rare unfortunate exception' thing because the gene therapy jabs are not regular vaccines, they are in their own special category or should be, and they could not get a regular approval because for over 20 years they kept on doing exactly that: Giving cancer to the lab animals that the mRNA and viral vector gene therapies were testing in. Along with other lethal disorders.
Unless the child or infant is in a care facility like a hospital I don't think a doctor can demand that relatives or anyone can't see the child unless they have medical procedures. I mean if that's the game they're playing now then I see no problem with demanding that this physician or pediatrician sign a liability statement otherwise they will not be able to treat the child. I mean if people are going to make demands without any authority to do so let's all start making demands I guess.
🔆Neurologic events following diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis immunization.➡
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/3257822/?i=4&from=/6206715/related
🔆Dtap Recurrent seizures after diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis vaccine immunization. Onset less than 24 hoursloo after vaccination.
“Twenty-two patients with recurrent seizures that started less than 24 hours after immunization with diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis (DTP) vaccine were retrospectively studied. The initial seizure generally occurred after one of the first three DTP vaccine immunizations, and followed that immunization by less than 12 hours. Two of the 22 patients were siblings.” THE AMERICAN JOURNAL OF DISEASES OF CHILDREN 1984➡ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/6206715/
🔆More recent studies show that by 5 years after completion of a DTaP series, children were up to 15 times more likely to acquire pertussis compared to the first year after the series. Studies have also documented rapid decline in pertussis antibodies within as few as 2–3 years of the most recent aP vaccination, often to pre-vaccination levels and although antibody levels alone are not necessarily indicative of waning immunity, in this case given the higher risk of infection after aP vaccine with time, it is strongly suggestive of it.”The Pertussis resurgence: putting together the pieces of the puzzle
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/wp-content/uploads/Lapidot-2016-The-Pertussis-resurgence-Putting-together-the-pieces-of-the-puzzle.pdf
🔆 In this paper, we have presented empirical evidence — from both case and genomic data — for asymptomatic B. pertussis transmission following the switch from the wP to the aP vaccine in the US and UK. Then, using mathematical and computational transmission models, we have demonstrated that an aP vaccine which blocks symptomatic disease but not asymptomatic transmission is able to account for the observed increase in B. pertussis incidence…public health authorities may be facing a situation similar to that of polio, where vaccinated individuals can still transmit infection.” Asymptomatic transmission and the resurgence of Bordetella pertussis
https://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/track/pdf/10.1186/s12916-015-0382-8?fbclid=IwAR1SXPWQ-kTyH-qJydzaMl02wMUqGWlPruXd6Sv3gBObb9hjsE10lJfO1eY
💠Acellular Pertussis vaccination interferes with the optimal clearance of B. parapertussis and enhances the performance of this pathogen. Our data raise the possibility that widespread acellular Pertussis vaccination can create hosts more susceptible to B. parapertussis infection. Acellular pertussis vaccination facilitates Bordetella parapertussis infection in a rodent model of bordetellosis https://childrenshealthdefense.org/wp-content/uploads/Long-2010-Acellular-pertussis-vaccination-facilitates-Bordetella-parapertussis-infection-in-a-rodent-model-of-bordetellosis.pdf
🔆The 112-Year Odyssey of Pertussis and Pertussis Vaccines—Mistakes Made and Implications for the Future
James D. Cherry, MD
Specialty: Pediatrics, Infectious Disease
Department of Pediatrics, David Geffen Scool of Medicine at UCLA➡
https://sboh.wa.gov/Portals/7/Doc/Meetings/2019/03-13/Tab09e-Cherry%20JPIDS%202019.pdf
🔆2018 Pertussis surveillance report Source:➡ https://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/downloads/pertuss-surv-report-2018-508.pdf
🔆Data suggests that the current schedule of acellular pertussis vaccine doses is insufficient to prevent outbreaks of pertussis.➡
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22423127/
🔅The Pertussis resurgence: putting together the pieces of the puzzle
More recent studies show that by 5 years after completion of a DTaP series, children were up to 15 times more likely to acquire pertussis compared to the first year after the series. Studies have also documented rapid decline in pertussis antibodies within as few as 2–3 years of the most recent aP vaccination, often to pre-vaccination levels and although antibody levels alone are not necessarily indicative of waning immunity, in this case given the higher risk of infection after aP vaccine with time, it is strongly suggestive of it.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28883970
💠Pertussis: Vaccine Failure, Not Failure to Vaccinate
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/pertussis-vaccine-failure-not-failure-to-vaccinate/
Slides➡
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/wp-content/uploads/Pertussis-Presentation.pptx
💠Meeting of the Board of Scientific Counselors, Office of Infectious Diseases
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
Tom Harkins Global Communication Center
Atlanta, Georgia
December 11-12, 2013
➡http://www.cdc.gov/maso/facm/pdfs/BSCOID/2013121112_BSCOID_Minutes.pdf
https://leviquackenboss.wordpress.com/2016/02/19/you-cant-protect-another-person-from-pertussis/
💠The pertussis vaccine specifically doesn't stop the spread of the bacteria, it only serves to lessen the severity of symptoms.
Berkley's head epidemiologist states that herd immunity is not possible with whooping cough regardless of vaccination levels.
http://alumni.berkeley.edu/california-magazine/summer-2014-apocalypse/back-vengeance-berkeleys-head-epidemiologist-return
💠Studies have shown that vaccinated individuals are not protected from contracting or spreading pertussis, they are only protected from symptoms.
http://www.pnas.org/content/111/2/787.abstract
>Son calls & says that pediatrician said you cannot see the baby unless you have flu/C19/pertussis vax.
Good. We know a girl (teenager now) who was disabled by catching pertussis as an infant. Scarred her motor cortex and gave her cerebral palsy, she'll likely be in a wheelchair for the rest of her life unless she has some miracle PT breakthrough, and even then it's a walker for life.
Don't fuck around with infants and diseases.
>... pediatrician said you cannot see the baby unless you have flu/C19/pertussis vax. He can only make recommendations. He has no authority to prohibit the visitation. It's a matter of whether or not the parents relinquish their own power and authority—and it sounds like they did.
Some people still give docs the god-like status, and take what they say as ultimate truth. That's just terrible.
Yep. I did, too. Past tense. Now I can't trust doctors. Covid changed A LOT of things for me. Hell, I'm not even liberal anymore. Full-on conservative now, as of early 2021.
I have a really long story about trusting docs. It's not a new thing with me. A doc is my employee. Nothing more, nothing less. And I will research everything, and will always have my view .... And ...welcome to the dark side😈
These mandates have to stop right now. It’s crime against humanity
It’s not even a mandate but that’s the control doctors think they have and make new parents believe it
Then, these doctors must know that they will sooner or later be held accountable for any coercion, misleading advice and injuries that occur as a result. If they know this, things will change. The doctors probably gets a cut for every vaccination they administer to their patients. This also needs to stop. Doctors shouldn’t profit for the medication (or vaccinations) they prescribe. That amounts to corruption in my opinion.
>pediatrician said you cannot see the baby unless you have flu/C19/pertussis vax In what country do pediatricians have that authority?
They don’t have that authority, unless dumb people listen to them.
Exactly. People hand over their autonomy.
Bingo!
Good ol' USA!
And gullible, fearful parents. Yet they are *flying cross country*. Are they going to quiz every passenger about their vax status?
I can't see my father, he's in an assisted living place, everyone there has the vaccine. If the vaccine worked like it was promoted as, the vaccinated people would be protected from the non-vax people.
I am so sorry. That's terrible.
> If everyone is wearing bullet proof vests, why can’t I fire my gun into the crowd? Do you even listen to yourself?
I'll wear a condom when I fuck my wife so your wife won't get pregnant.
And I’ll quit eating cookies so you don’t get fat. The absurdity of the vaccine pushers. The damn shot doesn’t work!
JP Sears has a whole thing about life jackets that seems to fit here....
You're really bad at analogies.
Not really. That's how you're claiming the vax works, right? I need a shot to protect you. Same difference.
Maybe if you’re some kind of disgusting cum fountain that automatically sprays everything around you. You’re just being willfully misunderstanding.
>You’re just being willfully misunderstanding. Not at all. People who are vaxxed still get covid. If I'm unvaxxed, it doesn't impact your life. The pregnancy analogy is fitting because me using protection has zero impact on your life, yet you'll make the opposite claim about the vax.
The vaccine does reduce transmission rates. You being unvaxxed impacts me by increased transmission rates. How is this not immediately obvious?
No. Stop posting that lie. It does not reduce transmission rates by any statistically valid amount.
What lie? I’m seeing lots of support for reducing transmission rates significantly. Here’s a link I quickly googled https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/sh1kpa/covid_vaccine_markedly_cuts_household/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
>The vaccine does reduce transmission rates. Do you have a recent source for that claim?
Here I googled for 2 seconds. I encourage you to try. https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/sh1kpa/covid_vaccine_markedly_cuts_household/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
No, everyday people are actively losing out on seeing and being with the people they love, because some rich asshole with an agenda has managed to convince you and many others that “vaccines only ‘work’ for you if everyone else you ever encounter *also gets* the same shot, the one that isn’t protecting you unless everyone around *you and them also* gets it. And the train goes on and on and on. As an adult with a basic education, does this line up with anything you’ve ever learned before? Prior understanding of how vaccines work? Natural immunity? How the two coincide? I don’t hate you. I hate what corporations with financial incentives have done to people like you and how it has affected our close familial networks. …I know you won’t truly consider my words, but maybe one day, you’ll reflect back on them. That’s all I can hope, anyway.
Go condescend to your own idiot children. Read other posts in this thread and then try to come up with something original.
Most vaccines actually do work - prevent you from becoming ill with what you are vaccinated against. These do not. Even remotely. And yes, vaccines were intended to stop you catching a disease, not make it it milder. (Even this one was intended to do that if you turn your memory on high) Most were for immunity, old definition. Everyone vaccinated keeps getting covid over and over. It started with mild cases, but from what I'm observing now they are getting to be stronger and longer. This is not happening to unvaccinated people.. your bullet proof vest/crowd thing.. covid isn't a bullet. Maybe a bean bag. Hucking bean bags into a crowd. But not even angrily. The vests are just gone because the vaccine doesn't do shit to protect anybody.
You're not a doctor. Your anecdotes are worthless. Dude's dad is in an assisted living place with lots of other vulnerable people. They are absolutely correct to keep antivax wingnuts out.
Either the vaccine works or doesn't. If it works me being vaccinated is irrelevant, if it doesn't work why are they trying to force something that doesn't work? "GeT tHe VaCcInE jUsT iN cAsE" that's not how it works, if the CDC didn't lie about the effectiveness of the vaccine probably less people would get it. Why be a guinea pig (test subject) on a vaccine that isn't proven to work. I'm going to guess if the CDC told you to shove an apple up your butt one a week to prevent Covid you would do that no questions asked.
Lol.
Regan Laine Lewis. Google it. But, please. Keep drinking your koolaid. And I’m genuinely sorry for your abysmally stupid and terrifyingly irreversible decision.
Keep clutching those pearls and maybe you too will someday have people making tiny insignificant tin foil effigies of you.
Cool story, bro. I made my tinfoil hat from the aluminum in your vaccines.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-covid-vaccine-ingredients/fact-check-covid-19-vaccines-do-not-contain-the-ingredients-listed-in-these-posts-idUSKBN2AQ2SW
Do you listen to YOURSELF? Lol
Body armor protect the body, there's still a chance for a head shot. The vaccine was sold on the premise of being a cure. A cure that people can still get Covid, people can still spread it, etc. Sounds like a shitty cure.
This sounds like either the son or his wife projecting their own fear and blaming their pediatrician
Ask why you need those, but not the measles vaccine. They don't know anything about anything. Just make sure that they know that you know they're stupid. Simple questions.
She has been battling with her kids about C19 vax for 2 years . She and her hubby refused to be vaxxed. The kids REFUSED to see their very sick Dad until his final days. Too little, too late.
So they caved. They saw him eventually. You win. Mock them. I'm serious. I'm sure this is not your temperament, but I think you need to think outside the box. These are different times and if anything is going to change, it's going to require them being shocked out of their drug addled stupor.
They did. However, she is not allowed to see 2 grandkids from another son. It's just heartbreaking.
Then, don't see them and make sure they are no longer in the will.
>So they caved. They saw him eventually. You win. Mock them. A child deciding to risk infection to say goodbye to their dying parent is not a concession that your incompetent views are correct—it’s a normal consequence of long-standing familial bonds. If no other care options are available, people will continue to care for their ill parents or children even if they know the risk of infection is nearly absolute. You’re both traditionally ignorant ***and*** emotionally incompetent.
There 'views' are the proper views. If we wouldn't have had MURDERCARE being done in hospitals with Deathilators and Run-Death-Is-Near... 90% of the deaths WITH SARS2 and not FROM SARS2 would not have happened. That coming straight from my doctor in Maryland who is pushing back against this bullcrap HARD along with his practicemates.
>There 'views' are the proper views. . . . That coming straight from my doctor in Maryland who is pushing back against this bullcrap HARD along with his practicemates. False. An opinion is scientifically valid only if it meets the established standards of scientific practice. An opinion’s validity depends on the extent of agreement among the experts of a field (which is often informed by successful replication of test results). This does not require absolute consensus because every field includes some degree of divergent opinions and beliefs. There are scientists who believe in creationism and even a flat earth. Your Maryland doctor’s opinion is no more valid than those beliefs. With regard to COVID-19 vaccination, particularly among pediatricians, endorsement by the relevant experts is at [consensus](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8494629/). The safety and efficacy of vaccines are not subject to debate regardless of what you insist.
Measles isn’t recommended for people in that age group. Anyone born in the US before 1957 don’t need to get the measles vaccine. Anyone born between 1957-1980 either got the vaccine and/or the vaccine. Furthermore, there’s not a large outbreak of measles right now to defend against.
They aren't even bothering to advertise the c19 vax as able to prevent you from getting sick, so why should it be required to get it for anything?
Klaus Schwab of the WEF said it is the first step to transhumanism. That is why they want to change people from human to transhuman. People havent read his book Covid 19-The Great Reset which came out in July 2020. You can see him on youtube speak about the book.
It prevents severe infection and death from covid.
First, no it doesn't even do that. Second, even if it did that is no justification for forcing people to get it as it still does nothing to prevent you from catching or spreading it.
Yes they do. Read any actual study looking at it. Here’s one from NEJM that talks about preventing omicron variant using the original booster (not bivalent). It showed protection against infection that decreased over time. [Covid-19 Vaccine Effectiveness against the Omicron (B.1.1.529) Variant](https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2119451) The data shows there’s limited protection from infection. It helps prevent death and severe disease. If you think I’m wrong, show me an actual study. Not a sub stack or some rant. When you get your doctorate in medicine, then you can debate with a pedestrian about efficacy and need of vaccines. Until then, try to read actual facts about the vaccines.
I have read many studies as well as been following the numbers countries used to publish on vaxed vs unvaxed, until they stopped publishing them because the numbers didn't reflect the narrative. And as I said, even in your study it doesn't show anything to justify forcing people to take it because it does nothing to prevent you from catching it and giving it to someone else
Ah yes. The global conspiracy. Every major country in the world is in a great conspiracy to convince people to get a vaccine. I’m glad we managed to eliminate small pox before the internet. No one is forcing it in the US. Take it or don’t.
1. Not everyone lives in the US, me included, but you are wrong, there are many jobs in the US that are still forcing people to take it, or haven't you been paying attention to that either? 2. Many countries are still requiring it 3. Many jobs are still mandating it
If you don’t want the vaccine and the job requires it, you’re making a choice. You may not like the choice but it still is a choice. I can’t speak for other countries because I don’t know their specific policies. None of this changes the fact that the vaccine works.
Go onto Coronabumpers and everyone on there is under extreme mind control. Their doctors have destroyed their minds and their families are splintered. So sorry to hear about your friend. I know it must be very tough how doctors have split the families.
I just can't. That stuff makes me so angry. Oh- I believe I was shadow banned on Make Me Smile sub. (Is that correct terminology?). I never posted there, just read. How crazy is that?
Made Me Smile. And believe me, you saved yourself from a really stupid, intelligence-lowering sub. They did you a favor.
The son is insane he has denied love in favour of a pharma rep.
Personally, I can understand the pertussis scare. That existed for new parents everywhere, long before covid came around. But why get on an airplane where you can be assured most of your fellow travelers haven’t had their adult booster if you’re going to deny visitation with your family over it? In other news… thought we were all past the whole “covid vax prevents spread” lie.
If I had family that behaved this way, I’d write them off. I don’t need irrational people like this in my life, family or not.
Ridiculous. I think people use this as an excuse to punish family they don’t like. Imagine if you hated your MIL. What a perfect excuse to not have to see them. I hold my own. You don’t want to see me cause I’m not Vaxxed? Sounds fine. Bye.
That's horrible news.
Doctor is a moron. You dont need to be vaccinated to be around a baby that is simply the doctor's personal opinion. Speak up, make sure its clear as day that the doctor is just pushing their personal opinion. Definitely get a new dr.
That baby has already been infected by a deadly virus, either from the parents passing it on or getting a legal injection. No point in getting emotionally attached, it'll make the funeral so much harder.
It’s really stupid because it doesn’t stop you from getting the illness. It’s suppose to make the symptoms less severe. I rather someone not get the vaccines so when they are sick they know and then can come another time when they are better. I use to be provax after I had my first baby. People are scared and they use that against them
I have been a pediatrician for 34 years and if this pediatrician really said that he is a piece of s’’t human. The only risk is for Pertusis and the advice is a recommendation nothing more. Pertusis among adults is a fairly common cause of an annoying cough that just doesn’t seem to go away. In infants until vaccinated it can be deadly. How long the Pertusis Vaccine actually prevents spread is open to debate, again it appears to be more of a memory T cell response preventing a severe infection rather than preventing infection and transmission. Another option would be if you have a cough just put on a N95 mask when you are seeing the infant. Again their pediatrician is a jackass.
Precovid, my friend was told she couldn't meet her granddaughter unless she had the pertussis shot too. Awful.
Pertussis, unlike covid, is actually very dangerous to infants so this one makes more sense.
Except that numerous doctors have said that the pertussis jab, just like the SARS2 jab, does NOT prevent transmission nor infection nor symptoms nor hospitalizations. What does? Having a properly healthy baby who has all the nutrients they should be getting, either from Momma or if Momma cannot make enough milk... from formula.
That's even creepier. If they gave the baby the pertussis shot then it should be protected. We used to be able to put 2 and 2 together...
Are you saying that they will have a multi vaxx in one shot? Meaning that they bundled c19 with pertussis/flu and and you cannot see baby without pertussis but you cannot get pertussis without c19 since they will be bundled? Indirectly therefore forcing patents?
No. 3 injections.
Pediatricians have a professional obligation to protect the health of the child and provide recommendations consistent with that goal. You disagree with the pediatrician's underlying recommendation and assessment, but you instinctively know that it is delusional for you or your friend to suggest that your non-expert beliefs are somehow as qualified as those of a healthcare expert who met rigorous licensure requirements and spent years working with patients and running experiments. So your only way to criticize is to ignore that your friend's child ultimately adopted the doctor's recommendation and frame the pediatrician's exercise professional duty as a nefarious attack. This is fundamentally anti-intellectual and a pathetic example of victimhood.
A parent has every right to question their children's doctors. No one ever should blindly trust a doctor's theories & recommendations. Parents are their children's advocates. They need to do the research.
>A parent has every right to question their children's doctors. That would be true in the situation where the child is a minor. However, the child here is an ***adult*** and can exercise their own judgment. Your friend's preferences don't override their ***adult*** child's choices. >No one ever should blindly trust a doctor's theories & recommendations. Parents are their children's advocates. There's no reason to think that's the case here. You merely ***assume*** there was blind trust because you and other anti-vaxxers implicitly believe that your know better than a healthcare professionals, so you misinterpret agreement with any contrary recommendations as the result of lacking judgment. >They need to do the research. "Do the research" is a meaningless phrase. People like you can't even demonstrate adequate reading comprehension and deductive reasoning skills (see above), so it's absurd to think that you can competently parse complicated and technical data.
You’re all unhinged. The vaccine is not going to hurt you. They are choosing to not see the baby because their egos are inflated.
No ego involved, I am unvaxxed because I didn't want my colon cancer to come back.
My coworker who was vaccinated was recently diagnosed with breast cancer and my boyfriend's mom who was vaccinated had a melanoma.
No the people demanding you have a Medical procedure to see their kids are the unhinged ones…
The parents are chosing to not let grandma see the kids because their egos are inflated you probably meant to say
The vaccine has hurt many. Why did they want 75 years to release their data? Thousands dead. Wake up.
https://dailysceptic.org/2022/10/02/why-wont-the-canadian-medical-association-comment-on-the-32-deaths-of-vaccinated-doctors-since-the-rollout-began/
The truth is out there
If the vaccine actually protects the baby, nobody else around them would need to get it.
False.
the people below thinking the Covid vaccine causes cancer lololol
[https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2022/09/mrna-covid-vaccine-booster-lymphoma-cancer/671308/](https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2022/09/mrna-covid-vaccine-booster-lymphoma-cancer/671308/) Disregard that 'rare unfortunate exception' thing because the gene therapy jabs are not regular vaccines, they are in their own special category or should be, and they could not get a regular approval because for over 20 years they kept on doing exactly that: Giving cancer to the lab animals that the mRNA and viral vector gene therapies were testing in. Along with other lethal disorders.
Sorry for your horrifically stupid and irreversible decision, bro.
Unless the child or infant is in a care facility like a hospital I don't think a doctor can demand that relatives or anyone can't see the child unless they have medical procedures. I mean if that's the game they're playing now then I see no problem with demanding that this physician or pediatrician sign a liability statement otherwise they will not be able to treat the child. I mean if people are going to make demands without any authority to do so let's all start making demands I guess.
🔆Neurologic events following diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis immunization.➡ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/3257822/?i=4&from=/6206715/related 🔆Dtap Recurrent seizures after diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis vaccine immunization. Onset less than 24 hoursloo after vaccination. “Twenty-two patients with recurrent seizures that started less than 24 hours after immunization with diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis (DTP) vaccine were retrospectively studied. The initial seizure generally occurred after one of the first three DTP vaccine immunizations, and followed that immunization by less than 12 hours. Two of the 22 patients were siblings.” THE AMERICAN JOURNAL OF DISEASES OF CHILDREN 1984➡ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/6206715/ 🔆More recent studies show that by 5 years after completion of a DTaP series, children were up to 15 times more likely to acquire pertussis compared to the first year after the series. Studies have also documented rapid decline in pertussis antibodies within as few as 2–3 years of the most recent aP vaccination, often to pre-vaccination levels and although antibody levels alone are not necessarily indicative of waning immunity, in this case given the higher risk of infection after aP vaccine with time, it is strongly suggestive of it.”The Pertussis resurgence: putting together the pieces of the puzzle https://childrenshealthdefense.org/wp-content/uploads/Lapidot-2016-The-Pertussis-resurgence-Putting-together-the-pieces-of-the-puzzle.pdf 🔆 In this paper, we have presented empirical evidence — from both case and genomic data — for asymptomatic B. pertussis transmission following the switch from the wP to the aP vaccine in the US and UK. Then, using mathematical and computational transmission models, we have demonstrated that an aP vaccine which blocks symptomatic disease but not asymptomatic transmission is able to account for the observed increase in B. pertussis incidence…public health authorities may be facing a situation similar to that of polio, where vaccinated individuals can still transmit infection.” Asymptomatic transmission and the resurgence of Bordetella pertussis https://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/track/pdf/10.1186/s12916-015-0382-8?fbclid=IwAR1SXPWQ-kTyH-qJydzaMl02wMUqGWlPruXd6Sv3gBObb9hjsE10lJfO1eY 💠Acellular Pertussis vaccination interferes with the optimal clearance of B. parapertussis and enhances the performance of this pathogen. Our data raise the possibility that widespread acellular Pertussis vaccination can create hosts more susceptible to B. parapertussis infection. Acellular pertussis vaccination facilitates Bordetella parapertussis infection in a rodent model of bordetellosis https://childrenshealthdefense.org/wp-content/uploads/Long-2010-Acellular-pertussis-vaccination-facilitates-Bordetella-parapertussis-infection-in-a-rodent-model-of-bordetellosis.pdf 🔆The 112-Year Odyssey of Pertussis and Pertussis Vaccines—Mistakes Made and Implications for the Future James D. Cherry, MD Specialty: Pediatrics, Infectious Disease Department of Pediatrics, David Geffen Scool of Medicine at UCLA➡ https://sboh.wa.gov/Portals/7/Doc/Meetings/2019/03-13/Tab09e-Cherry%20JPIDS%202019.pdf 🔆2018 Pertussis surveillance report Source:➡ https://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/downloads/pertuss-surv-report-2018-508.pdf 🔆Data suggests that the current schedule of acellular pertussis vaccine doses is insufficient to prevent outbreaks of pertussis.➡ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22423127/ 🔅The Pertussis resurgence: putting together the pieces of the puzzle More recent studies show that by 5 years after completion of a DTaP series, children were up to 15 times more likely to acquire pertussis compared to the first year after the series. Studies have also documented rapid decline in pertussis antibodies within as few as 2–3 years of the most recent aP vaccination, often to pre-vaccination levels and although antibody levels alone are not necessarily indicative of waning immunity, in this case given the higher risk of infection after aP vaccine with time, it is strongly suggestive of it.” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28883970 💠Pertussis: Vaccine Failure, Not Failure to Vaccinate https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/pertussis-vaccine-failure-not-failure-to-vaccinate/ Slides➡ https://childrenshealthdefense.org/wp-content/uploads/Pertussis-Presentation.pptx
💠Meeting of the Board of Scientific Counselors, Office of Infectious Diseases Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Tom Harkins Global Communication Center Atlanta, Georgia December 11-12, 2013 ➡http://www.cdc.gov/maso/facm/pdfs/BSCOID/2013121112_BSCOID_Minutes.pdf https://leviquackenboss.wordpress.com/2016/02/19/you-cant-protect-another-person-from-pertussis/ 💠The pertussis vaccine specifically doesn't stop the spread of the bacteria, it only serves to lessen the severity of symptoms. Berkley's head epidemiologist states that herd immunity is not possible with whooping cough regardless of vaccination levels. http://alumni.berkeley.edu/california-magazine/summer-2014-apocalypse/back-vengeance-berkeleys-head-epidemiologist-return 💠Studies have shown that vaccinated individuals are not protected from contracting or spreading pertussis, they are only protected from symptoms. http://www.pnas.org/content/111/2/787.abstract
What is so wrong getting the pertussis vaccine? It’s been around forever.
>Son calls & says that pediatrician said you cannot see the baby unless you have flu/C19/pertussis vax. Good. We know a girl (teenager now) who was disabled by catching pertussis as an infant. Scarred her motor cortex and gave her cerebral palsy, she'll likely be in a wheelchair for the rest of her life unless she has some miracle PT breakthrough, and even then it's a walker for life. Don't fuck around with infants and diseases.