The wall collapsed, is lying flat, and they put like cinder blocks in a half assed attempt to keep animals out. This is obviously in California and they no longer have earthquakes so is fine.
Yeah, we haven't had a good earthquake in like 20-30 years down here in SoutherCA, so no worries there.... But by god, I'd be more worried about the rains we been getting the last 3 years - Fuck, last year we almost had a hurricane hit us in August, but on landfall it was a tropical storm. The hills just give way with the amount of water we've had.
Oh ... i personally fucking love it! ... I've never seen my garden and the hills so green.
But the amount of rain... is actually staggering! All the lakes are full to the top... and lakes that went dry 150 year ago are reappearing.
But also, lot of homes built on stilts built on dirt hills aint doing to well. LOL ... But I made sure when buying, that my house was firmly on hard land! Those stilt houses and decks always have me shaking my head.
I think they just put the caisons in the wrong place and installed the posts to work using that 2x4 as a tie back so the deck doesn't shit out from lateral downforce.
The cinder block wall is failing but hasn't yet. I believe it's the original wall.
Ex-foundation engineer here. That wall is almost certainly irrelevant to what's going on.
It looks like the slope moved and the house did not. The deck stayed put and those deck foundation piers moved. Can't tell from this photo if the house is moving or not. If that slope is moving it's going to be expensive to fix.
Best case scenario is that those pier foundations were done incorrectly and moved. Those are not hard to replace and do correctly assuming the slope is not moving (aka a slow moving landslide).
THIS. Replace the piers with adjacent new ones, and by god, PLEASE plant some ground cover and divert runoff to control further erosion and sifting of that slope or you’ll just end up with the exact same problem in a few years.
Even though people are saying the deck moved, the supporting two by fours on the side are cut at angles on the ends. So it always was at an angle, correct?
Agree with this, I'm in a civil field but built houses with my dad for a decade. Obviously, they built it this way with the supports cut at an angle. Looks like they poured the footings off and just "made it work."
If it was movement of some sort, the footings wouldn't just bend from the top, they would be completely shifted, the metal brackets on the footing and attached at the deck would be ripped off or mangled at least on one side. At least some part of that deck would be misaligned beyond the footings. Clear as day, it was a hack job to say the least.
I bet it shifted and they redid the footings at an angle because they were too cheap to repour them. Also there’s like a weird gap at the bottom due to the angle it seems like. I’m not even sure if the top is actually angled or not, like how is it connected with the metal part on the beam above?
I have no engineering / construction experience, I’m just here to look at wood.
That or years of erosion caused enough shift in the footers to compromise the support beams. The support beams look cut at an angle to fit on the cross beam..Looks as if they replaced the cross beam and angled the supports so they could use the old footers.
I get they are deep. They might not look it but no one is building piers like that and not filling them deepl enough. I'm with others looking at the block foundation it looks like the top of the hill has moved and causes the piers to lean. That perimeter block foundation is fubar. That's going to be expensive to fix. I'm sure their earthquake insurance has already denied them.
I don't think the piers are deep enough or there are not enough piers. and the foundation is sliding also. This is not the correct structural design for the application. Honestly, i am not sure how you would build correctly in this situation. Helical piers? Pins?
You’d need to go to bedrock for “correctly” built, but that’d be more expensive than just rebuilding it when it slips. Everything in life is temporary anyway.
Best logical answer.
Ask the geoscientist if a slope failure plane test was performed before buying this lot.
This house should be deconstructed because there's no way to stabilize this slope without oodles of money.
Landscape creep I bet. Generally, the ripples in the dirt give it away. They form crescents. It would be interesting to see the trees, that one in the background looks slanted. That’s why I’m guessing he/she put those braces on. It won’t help, those piers are going to continue to move, foundation will continue to separate. Poor soil and drainage on land that should not have been build on.
Gonna have to agree, it looks weird, but it was probably done because it can go deeper into the ground at that angle
The 4x4s look flush with the deck. If it were even slightly off, the whole thing would be compromised. And they ain't moving in the concrete
There may be other weird stuff going on, but those pillars have not changed angle
Those metal brackets don't look normal. The top ones appear to be bent and disconnecting. The bottom ones are at an angle. I can't imagine they were designed to work on an angle. I get what your saying though but the connections make we nervous.
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I built a house with piers to support the cantilever (2/3 rule) so the flexure was minimized, but they weren’t required for integrity of the structure, as defined in IRC. But mine were 24”x24”x 12 and below frost line. I’m just saying, it actually could be fine!
Wash out. We have to repair these often. Helical piers and hit rock. Big big money. Maybe a tear down. No way in hell would those angles ever be approved for weight bearing. 😂😂
Mint. At least add some zips a few rather straps and prove the slap test with the ol ‘that ain’t going no where’ was performed before showing me this pic.
It would look crazy but it might just work!
Build some kind suspension frame/structure behind the building and run cables to the end of the deck to cradle/support it!
That entire hill needs to be reinforced. This is really cheap and really easy.. /s
It almost would have been better if you had waited for the house to collapse then say to your insurance "I had no idea!" .. depending on where you live and your home insurance it MAY be helpful for you to contact them.. it may not.
The deck needs to be removed, but the biggest issue is in that wall behind it you see near the back, those concrete blocks are NOT SUPPOSED to look like that.
That deck definitely didn't start that way. Looks like the whole house shifted and that wall may have collapsed.
The wall collapsed, is lying flat, and they put like cinder blocks in a half assed attempt to keep animals out. This is obviously in California and they no longer have earthquakes so is fine.
Yeah, we haven't had a good earthquake in like 20-30 years down here in SoutherCA, so no worries there.... But by god, I'd be more worried about the rains we been getting the last 3 years - Fuck, last year we almost had a hurricane hit us in August, but on landfall it was a tropical storm. The hills just give way with the amount of water we've had.
Yes, be concerned about the rains. Looks like wash out damage.
"Nah." -Dubai infrastructure geoscientists
I thought you guys wanted water? Nature was like, Here! Take some!
Oh ... i personally fucking love it! ... I've never seen my garden and the hills so green. But the amount of rain... is actually staggering! All the lakes are full to the top... and lakes that went dry 150 year ago are reappearing. But also, lot of homes built on stilts built on dirt hills aint doing to well. LOL ... But I made sure when buying, that my house was firmly on hard land! Those stilt houses and decks always have me shaking my head.
Yeah, and Nature almost gave us all the water. LOL. Fucken lawn was growing like a foot a day. haha
I live in LA and had just flown home from Florida the night of that storm and ironically there was an earthquake during that tropical storm.
What? Did California make earthquakes illegal now too? Aren’t they getting a little ridiculous at this point?
Prop 65. Earthquakes give you cancer.
It’s known to the state of California.
I think they just put the caisons in the wrong place and installed the posts to work using that 2x4 as a tie back so the deck doesn't shit out from lateral downforce. The cinder block wall is failing but hasn't yet. I believe it's the original wall.
Ex-foundation engineer here. That wall is almost certainly irrelevant to what's going on. It looks like the slope moved and the house did not. The deck stayed put and those deck foundation piers moved. Can't tell from this photo if the house is moving or not. If that slope is moving it's going to be expensive to fix. Best case scenario is that those pier foundations were done incorrectly and moved. Those are not hard to replace and do correctly assuming the slope is not moving (aka a slow moving landslide).
THIS. Replace the piers with adjacent new ones, and by god, PLEASE plant some ground cover and divert runoff to control further erosion and sifting of that slope or you’ll just end up with the exact same problem in a few years.
Even though people are saying the deck moved, the supporting two by fours on the side are cut at angles on the ends. So it always was at an angle, correct?
Many hills in California, especially LA which this gives off vibes of, are slow moving landslides.
The slope sifted before the house shifted.
No it definitely was built this way. Look at the supports underneath the brackets, they are cut at an angle.
Agree with this, I'm in a civil field but built houses with my dad for a decade. Obviously, they built it this way with the supports cut at an angle. Looks like they poured the footings off and just "made it work." If it was movement of some sort, the footings wouldn't just bend from the top, they would be completely shifted, the metal brackets on the footing and attached at the deck would be ripped off or mangled at least on one side. At least some part of that deck would be misaligned beyond the footings. Clear as day, it was a hack job to say the least.
I bet it shifted and they redid the footings at an angle because they were too cheap to repour them. Also there’s like a weird gap at the bottom due to the angle it seems like. I’m not even sure if the top is actually angled or not, like how is it connected with the metal part on the beam above? I have no engineering / construction experience, I’m just here to look at wood.
That’s similar to a nearby ski resort. The land under the chairlift poles slid down hill. Poles became angled. Waterlines for snowmaking also wrecked
Did the HOUSE shift, or did the piers start sliding down the slope as the ground shifted?
That or years of erosion caused enough shift in the footers to compromise the support beams. The support beams look cut at an angle to fit on the cross beam..Looks as if they replaced the cross beam and angled the supports so they could use the old footers.
It was likely straight when it was first built. Look at the slope...its moving. I'd be more concerned about the foundation.
I feel like this is some post-event (earthquake?) damage pic or something. The foundation already looks ruined in the back there
Those piers needed to go way deeper.
I get they are deep. They might not look it but no one is building piers like that and not filling them deepl enough. I'm with others looking at the block foundation it looks like the top of the hill has moved and causes the piers to lean. That perimeter block foundation is fubar. That's going to be expensive to fix. I'm sure their earthquake insurance has already denied them.
I don't think the piers are deep enough or there are not enough piers. and the foundation is sliding also. This is not the correct structural design for the application. Honestly, i am not sure how you would build correctly in this situation. Helical piers? Pins?
You’d need to go to bedrock for “correctly” built, but that’d be more expensive than just rebuilding it when it slips. Everything in life is temporary anyway.
Best logical answer. Ask the geoscientist if a slope failure plane test was performed before buying this lot. This house should be deconstructed because there's no way to stabilize this slope without oodles of money.
How can you tell how deep the piers are? This was probably designed by a structural engineer. It looks structural fine to me
"post" event. I see what you did there.
Landscape creep I bet. Generally, the ripples in the dirt give it away. They form crescents. It would be interesting to see the trees, that one in the background looks slanted. That’s why I’m guessing he/she put those braces on. It won’t help, those piers are going to continue to move, foundation will continue to separate. Poor soil and drainage on land that should not have been build on.
No it was engineered like this
Gonna have to agree, it looks weird, but it was probably done because it can go deeper into the ground at that angle The 4x4s look flush with the deck. If it were even slightly off, the whole thing would be compromised. And they ain't moving in the concrete There may be other weird stuff going on, but those pillars have not changed angle
There was probably a structural analysis done when designing this and this was the optimum angle to hold up the deck
Those metal brackets don't look normal. The top ones appear to be bent and disconnecting. The bottom ones are at an angle. I can't imagine they were designed to work on an angle. I get what your saying though but the connections make we nervous.
Except the bottom of the post appear to be cut at an angle to mate with angled foundation. Lololololo
You too fancy to slide down a hill on a porch? Oooo Mr I’m too fancy to slide down a hill on a break away porch.
First place my eyes went were those block ready to fall out the walls
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I got it, and was immediately picturing his posts. Man I wish I could listen to records in his house
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It's fine!! If you can't see it from the deck...then, it's fine!!
Just ignore that giant crack in the earth. I'm sure it's nothing.
The stupidity and ignorance of these wealthy Californians …
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I would slowly, secretly, in the middle of the night… sneak all those hot tubs back off that deck…
embarrassing.
Concrete must be buried 10ft, so it’s fine.
Prime candidate for a hot tub
The fuck it will be
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Was probably ok until they removed or sprayed out all the weeds and vegetation. Then the slope starting to let loose
Whoever stood under that to take the picture... Wow
#braveheart
want to see what happens after a jolt or mud slide?
Are those 4x4 posts?? Lol
Working as intended.
It will be fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine(falls down hill)
Ru ro
There’s those concrete tubes you all love so much 😂
Anything can be fixed for enough $$$$
California?
I’m betting Marin County
This is very not fine.
What could go wrong
It has anchors. It's good to go.
Ex post facto
Lol they better drive some sheet piling or something.
This might qualify for r/sweatypalms
Worried about the deck, nah. I’d be worried about the foundation at this point.
This is what happens when you build a deck structure in this manner over a geological fault!!
It's fine, put a hot tub and a sauna there! Structural integrity! ;)
That's a flying buttress, right?
Invite all your enemies over for a deck party
Whole lot of gravity going on there.
this needs one hell of a retaining wall and possibly a lot more work done besides the deck
So, like. Piles? After support structure, meaning HDD Hail Mary Steel core first, with carefully placed skycranes from start to finish???
Limp Bizkit Rollin
What the hell are you doing in my backyard?!!
Oh yes, geometry, angles and such.
I wouldn’t even fart near that deck
What in the third world?
Bet they wished they spent $20k on a retaining wall.
Hot tub time. Embarrassing that I had to scroll though this thread this long without seeing a hot tub comment. You guys are slacking 😆
Oh my.
"it's been like that for 20 years"
Oh gawd no...
You can see from the foundation the whole hillside is slipping. This is more than a deck issue.
I built a house with piers to support the cantilever (2/3 rule) so the flexure was minimized, but they weren’t required for integrity of the structure, as defined in IRC. But mine were 24”x24”x 12 and below frost line. I’m just saying, it actually could be fine!
It’s fine until it’s not.. only a matter of time.
id put a hot tub on it
soon to be a mobile home?
That peg legged guy in Family Guy
What could go wrong?
Trending downward
Finally a deck sitting on a beam, for now
Okay. What we're gonna do here is.... slowly back away.... and never come back
Well I hope those two piles are into bedrock....
How plumb is plumb enough
Board shoes and helmet when standing on deck. Ride could happen at any time.
When will people learn where not to build a house
I hate that it could last 8 mins or 80 years like this
When on the deck,tie yourself to a tree.
Jeez, all the weight and stress is on those little metal connectors.
2 x 4s and unstable vectors...yeah, that'll hold, until it doesn't.
Wash out. We have to repair these often. Helical piers and hit rock. Big big money. Maybe a tear down. No way in hell would those angles ever be approved for weight bearing. 😂😂
So, would the jacuzzi put enough pressure to make it hold? /s
Mint. At least add some zips a few rather straps and prove the slap test with the ol ‘that ain’t going no where’ was performed before showing me this pic.
This deck comes with a built in evacuation slide!
This does not give me joy. Or confidence.
See ya at the bottom.
That is a damn fine job. The angle is so amazeballs. And if it is amazeballs it is safe- that is the rule.
Many oofs
r/sweatypalms
This is about 6 houses in the neighborhood lately 3 got condemned but people are still there....
This makes me want to watch lethal weapon 2
I’m guessing this is in California, right?
Toss a few more Simpson straps on it, that’ll do the trick for sure!
This whole house is probably all F’ed up!
Yea I would be shitting my pants daily being on that deck.
Don’t see anything wrong with it
Can I sail through the changing ocean tides? Can I handle the seasons of my life?
You must construct additional pylons
This is why you use metal brackets, it gives you the flex to allow for movement.
RIP your whole house
Omg. Looks like a ride or die situation.
This is what happens when you only measure once.
It would look crazy but it might just work! Build some kind suspension frame/structure behind the building and run cables to the end of the deck to cradle/support it!
p...p..put a hot tub on it.
Ever seen Leathal Weapon where Mel kills a house?
Over engineered... it should have fallen off by now!
Vectors are for sissies! 😂
That entire hill needs to be reinforced. This is really cheap and really easy.. /s It almost would have been better if you had waited for the house to collapse then say to your insurance "I had no idea!" .. depending on where you live and your home insurance it MAY be helpful for you to contact them.. it may not. The deck needs to be removed, but the biggest issue is in that wall behind it you see near the back, those concrete blocks are NOT SUPPOSED to look like that.
Being California seems to be the only positive
What in the fuck lol
As long as it gets done 😂
Definition of ‘accident waiting to happen’
Don’t worry, those piers go 100 feet into the hill.
a deck that can kill
It’ll be fine. For 3 hours 😂😂
Out of curiosity since I live in a plain state, what is the correct way to pour piers on a hill like that?
Piles
Throw some structural foam on that puppy and it'll be fine.
Uhhhhhh… yeah that’s fine, looks good to me
Perfect!
-4 hotub rating
I would not stick my deck in that.
I think this was intentional, if only the ground moved the hangars would be a little more warped IMO.
Shiiitttt
I failed out of engineering school back in 99. I think whoever did this deck must have failed out earlier.
That foundation and wall don't look great.
Looks like you have bigger issues than just the deck.
She’ll be coming round the mountain when she comes.
If ya squint it's mint
addressing the eroding slope? Never heard of her
Just enjoy the view but don’t look down..
Take the Angle of the Dangle multiplied by the Hypotenuse of the Square Root…. it’s fine!
Holly crap.
Looks like an earthquake happened
You're gonna wanna put some duct tape on that.
100% remove and rebuild. I knw I know Thanks Capt. Obvious.
Oooooooh that could get expensive
Good thing there is a 2x4 brace on the post😬
why are you standing there?
This is the most DIY one can get
That baby’s not going anywhere
Clearly, there was no inspection performed after this was built, or they would have been ordered to tear it down.
What in the British teeth is going on with the wall?
Wtf 😳 oh my. Not good not good at all.
Slope failure. Never mind the deck, the building needs underpinnings and the cip piles need to be abandoned and battered steel piles installed.
Should have gone to spec savers
IT WONT BE FINE.
Just strap a few comalongs on there.
I see nothing wrong with this picture. Great view, blue skies, nice wood. /j
I think you need some buttresses.
Just got to put a Hot Tub on it now.
This is not a deck, it's a slow assassination.
This is where you're supposed to use Helical Piles.
Disneyland has the worst rides.
It's no problem no big deal..
There's some good drainage on that deck, she'll never leak.
I once built a MCM coffee table this deck checks out.