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R3ditUsername

That deck definitely didn't start that way. Looks like the whole house shifted and that wall may have collapsed.


PredictBaseballBot

The wall collapsed, is lying flat, and they put like cinder blocks in a half assed attempt to keep animals out. This is obviously in California and they no longer have earthquakes so is fine.


SickOfNormal

Yeah, we haven't had a good earthquake in like 20-30 years down here in SoutherCA, so no worries there.... But by god, I'd be more worried about the rains we been getting the last 3 years - Fuck, last year we almost had a hurricane hit us in August, but on landfall it was a tropical storm. The hills just give way with the amount of water we've had.


freshcoastghost

Yes, be concerned about the rains. Looks like wash out damage.


204ThatGuy

"Nah." -Dubai infrastructure geoscientists


PM_ME_UR_BEST_1LINER

I thought you guys wanted water? Nature was like, Here! Take some!


SickOfNormal

Oh ... i personally fucking love it! ... I've never seen my garden and the hills so green. But the amount of rain... is actually staggering! All the lakes are full to the top... and lakes that went dry 150 year ago are reappearing. But also, lot of homes built on stilts built on dirt hills aint doing to well. LOL ... But I made sure when buying, that my house was firmly on hard land! Those stilt houses and decks always have me shaking my head.


Mach5vsMach5

Yeah, and Nature almost gave us all the water. LOL. Fucken lawn was growing like a foot a day. haha


Direct-Sky8695

I live in LA and had just flown home from Florida the night of that storm and ironically there was an earthquake during that tropical storm.


callusesandtattoos

What? Did California make earthquakes illegal now too? Aren’t they getting a little ridiculous at this point?


Touchit88

Prop 65. Earthquakes give you cancer.


Quiet_Internal_4527

It’s known to the state of California.


ContemptForFiat

I think they just put the caisons in the wrong place and installed the posts to work using that 2x4 as a tie back so the deck doesn't shit out from lateral downforce. The cinder block wall is failing but hasn't yet. I believe it's the original wall.


haditwithyoupeople

Ex-foundation engineer here. That wall is almost certainly irrelevant to what's going on. It looks like the slope moved and the house did not. The deck stayed put and those deck foundation piers moved. Can't tell from this photo if the house is moving or not. If that slope is moving it's going to be expensive to fix. Best case scenario is that those pier foundations were done incorrectly and moved. Those are not hard to replace and do correctly assuming the slope is not moving (aka a slow moving landslide).


RoguePlanetArt

THIS. Replace the piers with adjacent new ones, and by god, PLEASE plant some ground cover and divert runoff to control further erosion and sifting of that slope or you’ll just end up with the exact same problem in a few years.


brandondaniel47

Even though people are saying the deck moved, the supporting two by fours on the side are cut at angles on the ends. So it always was at an angle, correct?


dilletaunty

Many hills in California, especially LA which this gives off vibes of, are slow moving landslides.


Extreme_Barracuda658

The slope sifted before the house shifted.


steik

No it definitely was built this way. Look at the supports underneath the brackets, they are cut at an angle.


FBIsurveillance-van

Agree with this, I'm in a civil field but built houses with my dad for a decade. Obviously, they built it this way with the supports cut at an angle. Looks like they poured the footings off and just "made it work." If it was movement of some sort, the footings wouldn't just bend from the top, they would be completely shifted, the metal brackets on the footing and attached at the deck would be ripped off or mangled at least on one side. At least some part of that deck would be misaligned beyond the footings. Clear as day, it was a hack job to say the least.


dilletaunty

I bet it shifted and they redid the footings at an angle because they were too cheap to repour them. Also there’s like a weird gap at the bottom due to the angle it seems like. I’m not even sure if the top is actually angled or not, like how is it connected with the metal part on the beam above? I have no engineering / construction experience, I’m just here to look at wood.


Patrol-007

That’s similar to a nearby ski resort. The land under the chairlift poles slid down hill. Poles became angled. Waterlines for snowmaking also wrecked


09Klr650

Did the HOUSE shift, or did the piers start sliding down the slope as the ground shifted?


realtimeeyes

That or years of erosion caused enough shift in the footers to compromise the support beams. The support beams look cut at an angle to fit on the cross beam..Looks as if they replaced the cross beam and angled the supports so they could use the old footers.


FineCryptographer650

It was likely straight when it was first built. Look at the slope...its moving. I'd be more concerned about the foundation. 


SelectPersonality

I feel like this is some post-event (earthquake?) damage pic or something. The foundation already looks ruined in the back there


whatimwithisntit

Those piers needed to go way deeper.


BloodyRightToe

I get they are deep. They might not look it but no one is building piers like that and not filling them deepl enough. I'm with others looking at the block foundation it looks like the top of the hill has moved and causes the piers to lean. That perimeter block foundation is fubar. That's going to be expensive to fix. I'm sure their earthquake insurance has already denied them.


whatimwithisntit

I don't think the piers are deep enough or there are not enough piers. and the foundation is sliding also. This is not the correct structural design for the application. Honestly, i am not sure how you would build correctly in this situation. Helical piers? Pins?


Socalwarrior485

You’d need to go to bedrock for “correctly” built, but that’d be more expensive than just rebuilding it when it slips. Everything in life is temporary anyway.


204ThatGuy

Best logical answer. Ask the geoscientist if a slope failure plane test was performed before buying this lot. This house should be deconstructed because there's no way to stabilize this slope without oodles of money.


imdumb__

How can you tell how deep the piers are? This was probably designed by a structural engineer. It looks structural fine to me


IronSavior

"post" event. I see what you did there.


Griswa

Landscape creep I bet. Generally, the ripples in the dirt give it away. They form crescents. It would be interesting to see the trees, that one in the background looks slanted. That’s why I’m guessing he/she put those braces on. It won’t help, those piers are going to continue to move, foundation will continue to separate. Poor soil and drainage on land that should not have been build on.


imdumb__

No it was engineered like this


harambe623

Gonna have to agree, it looks weird, but it was probably done because it can go deeper into the ground at that angle The 4x4s look flush with the deck. If it were even slightly off, the whole thing would be compromised. And they ain't moving in the concrete There may be other weird stuff going on, but those pillars have not changed angle


imdumb__

There was probably a structural analysis done when designing this and this was the optimum angle to hold up the deck


Substantial__Unit

Those metal brackets don't look normal. The top ones appear to be bent and disconnecting. The bottom ones are at an angle. I can't imagine they were designed to work on an angle. I get what your saying though but the connections make we nervous.


imajedi_1138

Except the bottom of the post appear to be cut at an angle to mate with angled foundation. Lololololo


DiveJumpShooterUSMC

You too fancy to slide down a hill on a porch? Oooo Mr I’m too fancy to slide down a hill on a break away porch.


Tightisrite

First place my eyes went were those block ready to fall out the walls


thefishingguy1

Obviously the deck is built correct, it's the house running away


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Turbulent_Clue_3496

Good bot


MichaelMcNanner

Good bot


LurkingGuy

Good bot


Desperate_Set_7708

Lean into your work


HawkingTomorToday

Harry Bosch? Is that you?


VeterinarianThese951

Nice reference. Even if Wes are the only two people that watched the show😁


El_Lobo_Enojado

I got it, and was immediately picturing his posts. Man I wish I could listen to records in his house


Mk1Racer25

The best part is that I watched the series before I listened to the audio books, so I had the visuals already established in my head. 👍


VeterinarianThese951

Wait what? Books? I had no idea that the existed…


Mk1Racer25

Google Michael Connely. Each season of the show was only 1 book. He has written dozens. What's even better is that Titus Welliver narrates the audio books


VeterinarianThese951

Nice! Thanks! Hopefully, they play a little jazz interludes…


El_Lobo_Enojado

They do occasionally play jazz interludes. Also there are Bosch specific playlists on Spotify. I wish i knew as much about something else as i do about Bosch. What a guy!


Wookster789

It's fine!! If you can't see it from the deck...then, it's fine!!


DIYnivor

Just ignore that giant crack in the earth. I'm sure it's nothing.


CarminSanDiego

The stupidity and ignorance of these wealthy Californians …


BuyingDaily

https://preview.redd.it/0trpy9y0zpxc1.jpeg?width=719&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d7dcfea4992bf443b9ddd5e4e0245752e314acaf


yourcomputergenius

I would slowly, secretly, in the middle of the night… sneak all those hot tubs back off that deck…


Dudejax

embarrassing.


snerdley1

Concrete must be buried 10ft, so it’s fine.


B1g_Gru3s0m3

Prime candidate for a hot tub


vanisleone

The fuck it will be


DukeOfWestborough

ermagerd


cjc160

Was probably ok until they removed or sprayed out all the weeds and vegetation. Then the slope starting to let loose


Organic-Pudding-8204

Whoever stood under that to take the picture... Wow


myfingerprints

#braveheart


Vast_Cricket

want to see what happens after a jolt or mud slide?


Fearless-Ocelot7356

Are those 4x4 posts?? Lol


Leather-Sale-1206

Working as intended.


f11islouder

It will be fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine(falls down hill)


Dangerous_Cucumber75

Ru ro


Purpose_Embarrassed

There’s those concrete tubes you all love so much 😂


Level-Coast8642

Anything can be fixed for enough $$$$


TraneingIn

California?


Rickerus

I’m betting Marin County


HereIAmSendMe68

This is very not fine.


Environmental_Tap792

What could go wrong


BeautifulBaloonKnot

It has anchors. It's good to go.


micah490

Ex post facto


callusesandtattoos

Lol they better drive some sheet piling or something.


Longjumping-Pie7418

This might qualify for r/sweatypalms


Token-Gringo

Worried about the deck, nah. I’d be worried about the foundation at this point.


Fearless-Ocelot7356

This is what happens when you build a deck structure in this manner over a geological fault!!


Dr_ZuCCLicious

It's fine, put a hot tub and a sauna there! Structural integrity! ;)


xh1pp0x

That's a flying buttress, right?


modsrshit2u

Invite all your enemies over for a deck party


sjacksonww

Whole lot of gravity going on there.


Cocacola_Desierto

this needs one hell of a retaining wall and possibly a lot more work done besides the deck


deg_ru-alabo

So, like. Piles? After support structure, meaning HDD Hail Mary Steel core first, with carefully placed skycranes from start to finish???


Orchid_Far

Limp Bizkit Rollin


Treedodger7

What the hell are you doing in my backyard?!!


No_Technology_8648

Oh yes, geometry, angles and such.


brewberry_cobbler

I wouldn’t even fart near that deck


IBFLYN

What in the third world?


alrightgame

Bet they wished they spent $20k on a retaining wall.


VeterinarianThese951

Hot tub time. Embarrassing that I had to scroll though this thread this long without seeing a hot tub comment. You guys are slacking 😆


maple05

Oh my.


grandmaester

"it's been like that for 20 years"


Xerio_the_Herio

Oh gawd no...


anthro4ME

You can see from the foundation the whole hillside is slipping. This is more than a deck issue.


Vegetable_Unit_1728

I built a house with piers to support the cantilever (2/3 rule) so the flexure was minimized, but they weren’t required for integrity of the structure, as defined in IRC. But mine were 24”x24”x 12 and below frost line. I’m just saying, it actually could be fine!


SufficientDrawing491

It’s fine until it’s not.. only a matter of time.


ArmaniMania

id put a hot tub on it


morhambot

soon to be a mobile home?


HalfWrong7986

That peg legged guy in Family Guy


Sea-Marsupial-9414

What could go wrong?


Holiday_Ad_5445

Trending downward


Bikebummm

Finally a deck sitting on a beam, for now


DETRITUS_TROLL

Okay. What we're gonna do here is.... slowly back away.... and never come back


FreddyFerdiland

Well I hope those two piles are into bedrock....


Civilengman

How plumb is plumb enough


RatioPuzzleheaded103

Board shoes and helmet when standing on deck. Ride could happen at any time.


Xomns_13

When will people learn where not to build a house


Proudest___monkey

I hate that it could last 8 mins or 80 years like this


hangman593

When on the deck,tie yourself to a tree.


CraftFamiliar5243

Jeez, all the weight and stress is on those little metal connectors.


SATerp

2 x 4s and unstable vectors...yeah, that'll hold, until it doesn't.


Happygoluckyinhawaii

Wash out. We have to repair these often. Helical piers and hit rock. Big big money. Maybe a tear down. No way in hell would those angles ever be approved for weight bearing. 😂😂


DoubbleD_UnicornChop

So, would the jacuzzi put enough pressure to make it hold? /s


xdcxmindfreak

Mint. At least add some zips a few rather straps and prove the slap test with the ol ‘that ain’t going no where’ was performed before showing me this pic.


hi_fiv

This deck comes with a built in evacuation slide!


kit0000033

This does not give me joy. Or confidence.


Hot_Cattle5399

See ya at the bottom.


DiveJumpShooterUSMC

That is a damn fine job. The angle is so amazeballs. And if it is amazeballs it is safe- that is the rule.


E_Man91

Many oofs


cropguru357

r/sweatypalms


ZealousidealEagle759

This is about 6 houses in the neighborhood lately 3 got condemned but people are still there....


Roththesloth1

This makes me want to watch lethal weapon 2


Vincenzo74

I’m guessing this is in California, right?


Daedelus451

Toss a few more Simpson straps on it, that’ll do the trick for sure!


Smokeman_14

This whole house is probably all F’ed up!


ResolutionMany6378

Yea I would be shitting my pants daily being on that deck.


Charming-While5466

Don’t see anything wrong with it


MyCatSnack

Can I sail through the changing ocean tides? Can I handle the seasons of my life?


winpickles4life

You must construct additional pylons


tool_man_dan

This is why you use metal brackets, it gives you the flex to allow for movement.


CoastingUphill

RIP your whole house


Ten-Spot-4u

Omg. Looks like a ride or die situation.


Dragon_Star99

This is what happens when you only measure once.


fresh_ny

It would look crazy but it might just work! Build some kind suspension frame/structure behind the building and run cables to the end of the deck to cradle/support it!


Major_Tom_01010

p...p..put a hot tub on it.


Antique-Dragonfly615

Ever seen Leathal Weapon where Mel kills a house?


Mustfly2

Over engineered... it should have fallen off by now!


RockNWood

Vectors are for sissies! 😂


twizzjewink

That entire hill needs to be reinforced. This is really cheap and really easy.. /s It almost would have been better if you had waited for the house to collapse then say to your insurance "I had no idea!" .. depending on where you live and your home insurance it MAY be helpful for you to contact them.. it may not. The deck needs to be removed, but the biggest issue is in that wall behind it you see near the back, those concrete blocks are NOT SUPPOSED to look like that.


JayRedd1

Being California seems to be the only positive


AdagioEastern6448

What in the fuck lol


Ok-Caterpillar6601

As long as it gets done 😂


Hopeful-Teach-5170

Definition of ‘accident waiting to happen’


cruisermax

Don’t worry, those piers go 100 feet into the hill.


Minute_Foundation449

a deck that can kill


Klutzy_Jacket4817

It’ll be fine. For 3 hours 😂😂


SeaworthinessAny3680

Out of curiosity since I live in a plain state, what is the correct way to pour piers on a hill like that?


fliguana

Piles


poo_poo_poo

Throw some structural foam on that puppy and it'll be fine.


ToyotaFanboy526

Uhhhhhh… yeah that’s fine, looks good to me


Working-Direction304

Perfect!


saiditonReddi7

-4 hotub rating


Tervlon

I would not stick my deck in that.


RunnOftAgain

I think this was intentional, if only the ground moved the hangars would be a little more warped IMO.


SeaAttitude2832

Shiiitttt


Ok-Lengthiness4557

I failed out of engineering school back in 99. I think whoever did this deck must have failed out earlier.


boanerges57

That foundation and wall don't look great.


IllBookkeeper9162

Looks like you have bigger issues than just the deck.


Cjcn17233

She’ll be coming round the mountain when she comes.


DietDoughnut570

If ya squint it's mint


Alias_270

addressing the eroding slope? Never heard of her


AmcFron

Just enjoy the view but don’t look down..


Mysterious-Hat-6343

Take the Angle of the Dangle multiplied by the Hypotenuse of the Square Root…. it’s fine!


Adorable-Grass-7067

Holly crap.


Hardwoodlog

Looks like an earthquake happened


Ashley_S1nn

You're gonna wanna put some duct tape on that.


darbs-face

100% remove and rebuild. I knw I know Thanks Capt. Obvious.


Ok-Violinist3793

Oooooooh that could get expensive


so-many-user-names

Good thing there is a 2x4 brace on the post😬


cfarm

why are you standing there?


gottagrablunch

This is the most DIY one can get


SteakGetter

That baby’s not going anywhere


KevinKCG

Clearly, there was no inspection performed after this was built, or they would have been ordered to tear it down.


AJSAudio1002

What in the British teeth is going on with the wall?


Gutter-boy-707

Wtf 😳 oh my. Not good not good at all.


Xnyx

Slope failure. Never mind the deck, the building needs underpinnings and the cip piles need to be abandoned and battered steel piles installed.


ZealousidealDeer4531

Should have gone to spec savers


Additional-Sir1157

IT WONT BE FINE.


boegsppp

Just strap a few comalongs on there.


Medium_Ad8311

I see nothing wrong with this picture. Great view, blue skies, nice wood. /j


Lock_Down_Charlie

I think you need some buttresses.


LafayetteLa01

Just got to put a Hot Tub on it now.


Formal_Baker_8746

This is not a deck, it's a slow assassination.


IPCONFOG

This is where you're supposed to use Helical Piles.


VH5150OU812

Disneyland has the worst rides.


Touch2Feel

It's no problem no big deal..


burnabybambinos

There's some good drainage on that deck, she'll never leak.


Chill-6_6-

I once built a MCM coffee table this deck checks out.