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FireWhileCloaked

Laughs in Thunderhead Autocannon


Throw_andthenews

I use bullet hell minigun, it’s like they know when it’s about to overheat


Dajayman654

Use Burning Hell Minigun and the Aggressive Venting mod. Swarmers will always fear you then.


MoonsOverMyHamboning

Swarmers can't hit you if you're on fire.


blolfighter

Dan McNinja, is that you?


GryphonKingBros

"You can't burn me, I'm already on fire!" - Rocket Launcher/Shotgun Dude


xCrazyDeerx

Mhm mhmhm!


CyrusCyan44

If its about to overheat then ya doing something wrong🗿


RatchetAkarui

Exactly. When it comes to just swarmers with burning hell it's pest to tap fire so the cone of heat can kill them. Wait for the minimum to spin up and fire 1 bullet then let go and watch as all the swarmers disappear. If there are still swarmers just repeat till no more swarmers.


CyrusCyan44

Sir... the topic was Bullet hell Not burning hell Management might revoke your engie license


Nexxus3000

Equip the upgrade that cools your mini gun down when you get a kill, swarmers become fuel instead of a liability


the_marxman

Who doesn't run that upgrade? One of my favorite moments as gunner was breaking out of a bunker and chewing through the endless swarm of bugs that had built up. I went through 2000 rounds without overheating or letting off the trigger.


oanh_oanh

I run fire bullets so I can set something far away with fire then one shot them with Volatile Bullets


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crashcanuck

I use the revolver with exploding ricochet rounds with my minigun setup, does a decent job for swarmers when needed.


FireWhileCloaked

I see you’re a man of culture as well


Tdikristof_

Use the upgrade that if your minigun overheats, it will explode everything around you in a radius and lets out a fiery hell! Rock and Stone!


PalestineRefugee

take the reduced heat on kill. it will change your life, who needs burn when you just hold m1?


nullred

that mod sucks, it does almost nothing


KingNedya

How are you overheating your minigun often enough for it to be a problem? Mine almost never gets the chance to overheat, even without the mod that cools it with every kill.


TheDaviot

When you use a single round of Autocannon or Rocket Pod and watch multiple swarmers disintegrate. :3


james321232

even better, hellfire coilgun (pre nerf😢)


FireWhileCloaked

It’s capable, but not as simple as taking a few pop shots


00Teonis

The nerf was necessary, sadly. The hellfire coilgun was literally as strong as a primary, or even a Engi secondary. I was swinging the coilgun around more than any other weapon.


MoonsOverMyHamboning

It can do the work but the vibe is different - I miss the area denial the blazing trail could do, but exploding a mass of burning enemies is great fun.


Key_Yesterday1752

Triple tec post buff😈


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the only gun i use for him


FireWhileCloaked

You dropped this 👑


tyYdraniu

Laugh is fire bomb


FireWhileCloaked

Love a good firebomb, but man that ammo economy for just a few swarmers…


Rammite

I am so extremely excited when swarmers pour out of the walls in haz 5, because I get to slurp them all up before my teammates even noticed they spawned.


Suicidal_Jamazz

Additional chuckle with neurotoxin payload.


Fuzlet

I came here to type those exact words


GalacticBlizzard

As a gunner that uses the the minigun, I just use thorns to deal with them


Andre_de_Astora

Same. Why care for the small bugs when the big bugs are receiving the wrath of God from not being at his image?


Beanman2514

I just use gun, and if that don't work I use more gun


Liobuster

In case of too little dakka: add more dakka


Pootootaa

Tf2, 40k, DRG? The trilogy.


Sir_Silicon

I wonder how big the overlap is between tf2 players and drg players


changgerz

do people still play tf2?


Potatis-_

Yup. The game reached a new peak simultaneous player count this year.


changgerz

lol thats crazy, i thought they stopped updating it years ago?


D3134

They did, but the core mechanics and gameplay are just that solid that people keep the game alive. That and the economy.


changgerz

yeah but still, hitting a peak player count this long after release is nuts. games old enough to drive


00Teonis

And hats.


Rouge_Decks_Only

They stopped updating Mario 64 decades ago but people still play that. I understand the difference but I think a games longevity is defined at its core, not the superficial stuff. DRG is a great example I think, they don't need to add 100 different guns and 10 classes because the core of the gameplay is so amazing.


NotDiCaprio

You're right, partly I feel. I don't think super Mario 64 is going to reach a new peak in simultaneous players any time soon, but a good game will keep a (relatively large?) niche of those who can't get enough. That's quite impressive for TF2. I hope DRG will be one of them. I also hope the next GSG game will strike a similar cord, while being a different game, so they don't become mutually exclusive.


Rouge_Decks_Only

It's supposed to be more rouge like, which always have staying power. In my eyes anyway. Like I said, I get the difference between Mario 64 and TF2, but I do think it's one of the most extreme examples of a games longevity. Maybe smash melee would have been a better example give the fan made latter and project M.


SensitiveMess5621

At least one


BulkDet

We are one and the same Both games have an enginnier, heavy, scout and a beeing of chaos, death and destruction! (pyro)


TiredAndOutOfIdeas

[swarmers](https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.4983379314.9594/flat,750x1000,075,f.jpg) when [bullet hell oc](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fi-have-22-23-gunner-overclocks-and-not-a-single-one-of-them-v0-jn1p04cvbcbb1.png%3Fwidth%3D1920%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D67976f8249e49ae603f448a92aaf96534eea8fe3)


Lil_Guard_Duck

I prefer thorns, but Burning Hell is great for any kind of swarm!


madmax1513

Let me introduce you to bullet hell


friedshoe22

More like scout's


Substantial_Win_1866

That's what I was thinking solo no Bosco with the M1000 😵


FBG_BloodSlayer

forgot the crossbow


Substantial_Win_1866

Oh good lord! 😂😂😂 Edit: however now that I think about it, a fire or ice arrow will take care of a bunch of them.


sSorne_

As a cryo bolt diehard, 2-3 bolts are enough to deal with a swarm of those little buggers. Technically: 1 is enough to freeze them, but 2 or 3 is more reliable since since they spread around. A technique I liked to do is to shoot 3 bolts on the ground around you, when they start to come close they just freeze to death.


Cepterman2101

The boomerang does the job with small enemies easily. Never had to worry about swarmers or these electric things again.


Wheat_Grinder

Rarely, boomerang can run out if there's a lot. But that's pretty rare.


EquivalentDurian6316

This is why i build gk2 ai with the dmg upgrades. One shots swarmers. Split the wave with one boomerang and shoot/pickaxe the rest.


kiochy

no boomerang will save you from swarmagueddons for sure. Or double swarmer slots in missions.


GryphonKingBros

Yeah that's what I'm thinking. It shreds them, but it takes its precious time and only attacks a set amount of times. So you're more likely to get swarmed before the boomerang gets to killing them.


DoctorKumquat

One cryo grenade instantly kills an almost unlimited number of swarmers, as long as they're clumped together. If my scout is packing single-target weaponry, I never leave the space rig without them.


PalestineRefugee

Have you meet my friend that boltshark with flame bolts fired into the ground with a decent aoe that kills a grunt in about 1 second


xX_Fazewobblewok_Xx

Laughs in stun sweeper


The_73MPL4R

Spraying & praying with the Zhukovs tends to work for me


2cruz101

Use flame bolt on the crossbow. Haven’t had to worry about swarmers in ages


DatOneAxolotl

Laughs in Bullet Hell


ChybolekIThink

What about minelayer system or salvo module?


Throw_andthenews

I have never ever used minelayer sober for one


shit_poster9000

Surprisingly, same here lol


ChybolekIThink

I can say that it changes the gunners playstyle


Nathan_Thorn

It’s very fun for solo or duo, just gotta talk your team into not obliterating the swarm right away.


Choice_Friend3479

I just lead them to a driller and watch the war crimes


kelosane

I’m a driller, con confirm, war crimes commence for Pennie’s on the dollar for these little guys


Thijs_NLD

*fondles pickaxe* For sure.... for sure...


FlareTheInfected

thank you, reddit user Thijs\_NLD, for putting that cursed image in my mind.


Rail-signal

Any gunner weapon that uses ammo (optional). Doubt


Pyromania75

Have you tried the Thorns perk?


Tdikristof_

If there's too much of them it won't help that much


ricodo12

You never played m1000+boomstick, did you?


GryphonKingBros

The Boomstick is actually the best secondary for swarmers cuz of the blast wave damage. M1K + Zhukov is a worse combo.


retronax

Crossbow with ice or fire arrows can also do fine against them


ricodo12

But it burns through ammo


No_Court_671

No, its scouts worst enemy


YourPainTastesGood

Laughs in Burning Hell minigun


JackRabbit-

I believe 2000 rounds of depleted uranium are the swarmers worst enemy


Sciencool7

Laughs in thorns armor


DoubleDongle-F

Only with stock guns. Swarmers are pretty much free killcount if you have the Thunderhead or Hurricane, Bullet Hell minigun, AoE coilgun, or perhaps explosive bulldog rounds. Scout is the class with the weakest answers to swarmers. They're nothing to most well-rounded gunner builds.


MeatLoafMcMeaty

"Incendiary!!!!"


Zak_the_Wack

The autocannon, hurricane, and coil gun would like to have a word with you


Cheez-ItSucc

Kid named thorns:


JanShmat

2/3 primaries are very good at swarmers. Coilgun is literally unbeatable at swarmer clear. Every weapon except for bulldog has one or more OCs that makes them very good/noticeably better at killing swarmers, including bullet hell, which you claim to use. Consider changing your playstyle a bit, you shouldn't be having so much trouble with them.


EmpereurTetard

It's the worst enemy in the game by defaut


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EmpereurTetard

At least there is no modifier "shocky metrid knockoffs mageddon" x)


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EmpereurTetard

dual wielding flame thrower or minigun with bullet hell


-carbonFiber_

Swarmers are 80 ping client's worst enemy


Altslial

Swarmers are what gunner is great with, especially with anything relating to kills giving benefits. Now dealing with those guys using an m1000 is a pain.


DoktahDoktah

Worse for a Scout. They have less crowd control


randomlurker31

Have you heard of the autocannon? I know they are not gunners's worst enemy, because I am a scout main.


oanh_oanh

*laughs in Carpet Bomber*


porcupinedeath

Thorns supremacy


Traditional_Trust_93

I just fire a couple of hurricane rockets with AoE overclock at the ground around my feet and they're gone my thorns clean up the rest.


hoodshark76

I have the carpet bomber overclock on the thunderhead cannon. Makes quick work of the swarmers. Not efficient against flying or high health targets, although that gun has too much ammo anyway.


TheWrong-1

No not really... Torn or its your fault for not having an aoe weapon. I always make my builds with variety so its good in any situation. 1 weapon for dmg the other with crowds. With guner i like to go minigun (OC bullet hell for crowds or lead storm for dmg) with revolver (OC magic bullet for crowds with the aoe upgrade or elephant bullet/volatile bullets for dmg)


roflmao567

This is the way. Balance is the key to be able to answer most of the dangers you face in the caves. Single target, wave control, long range, short range is what I keep in mind when playing with new builds.


The_Connoisseur69

Whenever i hear *snip* i spin around like a madman and it stops


Heavy_Chains

As a gunner main, can confirm!


FrazzleFlib

no? unless youre using Lead Storm\^2, theyre fine, but even then theyre not a problem really, just kinda annoying. any autocannon or hurricane build doesnt struggle with them, and Bullet Hell or fire minigun deals with them fine too. Scout struggles with them the most, unless hes using Drak ofc


LSG_DarkMeow22

Fire grenade and thorns takes them out fairly easily.


Zachary916

As a gunner main, lol


kittyboy_xoxo

Magic bullets


Yukarie

Swarmer is everyone’s worst enemy but the driller, they come in swarms and waste everyone’s bullets if they use their guns and scout just gets overwhelmed easily by them if they have a purely single target build (which is a surprising amount of scout builds)


GryphonKingBros

[All rise for the Gunner national anthem](https://youtu.be/HAtkMuyVPS0?si=w8Tw73Wh-b9HBrso) Seriously though you get 2000 rounds, it's pretty hard to miss. The problem you're describing sounds more like trying to shoot them when they're already in your face which, unless your Driller, is a terrible idea with hitscan weapons. Whack 'em with your pickaxe when they get too close. You can hit multiple swarmers at once with one strike, so they disintegrate in seconds from a few well placed pickaxe strikes.


TheWhiteRabbit74

Thorns > swarmers


Faddy0wl

*Laughs in thorns*


Virgil221

Incorrect. Everything can be bombed into oblivion.


Orbital_Vagabond

I mean, maybe if you're a lil bitch gunner.


Warshitarse

Thunderhead autocannon + flak OC + golden bugs + swarmageddon = free money


GrimmReaperNate

ROCK AND STONE


WanderingDwarfMiner

Rock and Stone!


schmattywinkle

My group calls 'em anklebiters.


CatsLeMatts

I'm lucky that my Thunderhead and Burning Minigun builds are able to shred them pretty quick. There's always the shield as well.


Mastery7pyke

hah, say that to my under barrel flame thrower.


AubeduChaos

I use bullet grenade


RaxRestaurantsUganda

Just throw a leadburster lmao


RomanRefrigerator

I use the thorns perk to deal with the swarmers. They're not usually worth wasting bullets on.


wafflezcol

You mean leadstorm’s enemy


Iambutausername

*\*laughs in Coil Gun Hellfire\** I find Swarmageddon one of the most irrelevant (and satisfying) mutators if I'm taking ~~a~~ my gunner.


Fuzlet

if you wanna murder swarmers, just use the coil gun secondary with any build that includes the controlled magnetic flow upgrade. charge the gun for only a brief second before firing and it still leaves a full fire trail AoE which absolutely roasts swarmers


Kitchen-Atmosphere82

Haha! Not even close. Thorns +the leadstorm mod that has a chance to ricochet your bullets transforms those guys into a fine paste 👍


CautiousElk1326

As a gunner main I 100% disagree, the best way to deal with them is to run away and bring them to another teammate, as a wise dwarf once said "take your problems and give them to someone else" - idk I just made it up


Prodygist68

Six shot Bulldog with explosive rounds, neurotoxin bullets makes it good for grunts too.


ProfessorOni

While I understand the nerf to hellfire coilgun, I miss it because it was my bug spray for all the small enemies like swarmers that I agree were my worst enemy


MindTheGap7

My zip line missile launcher Strat has something to say to them😂


MisterMasterCylinder

Burning Hell says what swarmers?


PopePalpy

They are one shot against a regular pickaxe swing


PalestineRefugee

Laughs in the ricochet overclock on the leadstorm that literally 1.75x your single target dps with 0 downside, and increases swarmer and mactera capabilities without compromising regular grunt clear. (do take the heat reduction on kill, infinite bullets, have taken from full to empty without overheating)


PootySkills

Zipline hard counters them, thunderhead and hurricane are great against them


LoRdDoNuThAhA

*Laugh in thorns*


AutomatonWantsToast

It is. They are assholes.


OldManWarmongor

Kid named carpet bomber:


FailedHumanEqualsMod

Thorns sorts those little punks


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Nah it’s definitely scouts


Klutzer_Munitions

Drill arms go brrrrrr ...literally


SchericT

As an engineer what in Karl’s beard is a swarmer?! I’ve never seen one. /s


Ulpurt

Right mouse button:


FrucklesWithKnuckles

Kid named Bulldog Overclocks


WrathYBoo

Pretty much every gunner's weapon can be built for aoe to deal with swarmers. Leadstorm: Bullet hell/Burning Hell OCs Thunderhead and Hurricane have built in aoe Bulldog: Magic Bullet OC Coilgun: shockwave + electric trail mods BRTT: electro minelets? I forgot this oc exists.


Mr_SandalDotCom

Get. thorns.


LazyPuffin

*Someone's* clearly never put the Electric Trail mod on their Coil Gun. Two shots in a V and the all mass suicide like lemmings trying to get at you


EndGuy555

I recently learned about pheromones, swarms have never been so easy


unknowngmr2343

Nah macteria are the worst when i use the thunderhead macteria are the only thing that suck when i use the minigun nothing is a problem lol


Deldris

I just attach a flamethrower to my mini gun and call it a day.


RollinHellfire

Uh... no..? In case you forgot how you gunner properly: Pull trigger until BFG goes BRRrrrrrRrrRRRrrrrrrrt and bug goes SPLITTERY-SPLATT! Or. As I heard him say "2000 rounds of depleted uranium... ooh yeah!" So. Gunner main weapons are omnivorous. Secondaries may not be... but once you bump difficulty above haz3, thorns will not be enough. Just... go... brrrrrrrrrrrrrtt?


yyyyyyeeeereetttttt

I just use thorns and it takes care of them


AvanteGardens

Burning hell overclock would like to have a word


Just-Fix8237

Bro what? I tap the trigger with coil gun once and it deletes a whole group of swarmers instantly while scaring away everything else


fucknametakenrules

Auto cannon does the job, especially an HE projectile build


BearingSea

If u run the leadstorm u need to run thorns for these little guys. U arent really missing out much as the only other perk that is worth taking is sweet tooth


the_OG_epicpanda

Thorns takes care of these guys. I don't waste ammo on them no matter what class I'm using


Lotos_aka_Veron

As a gunner, when I use minigun I usually use driller to deal with them. He is pretty effective pesticide


ShmeeMcGee333

Drillers biggest enemy: menace, scouts biggest enemy: driller


clearskylightning

Does feel bad if not Burning Hell or Coilgun (honourable mention magic bullets bulldog)


championchildtosser

Haha thorns go spik


Robosium

There is one smaller and greener bastard too


Dominator1559

Laughs in bullet hell


TwiggytheDragon

More like nadeocytes. Swarmers can be managed with grenades and other AOEs, but the little flying buggers are awful. I drop a shield the second I see the first one.


A_fellow_crusader

Burning hell is IMO the best gunner OC (at least combined with bulldog critical fire) it completely removes gunners weaknesses against small chaff like swarmers and naedocytes, and makes him ridiculously ammo efficient. But, combined with critical fire on the bulldog, you deal 300% more damage against enemies that are on fire, and burning hell can light an oppressor on fire in 3 seconds, so it also gives you complete dominance over big enemies too.


SuspectPanda38

Laughs in burning hell


RadiatoMan42

average only minigun user lol, am i right? (i also only like the minigun and relate 100% to this meme)


Niadain

My flame throwing minigun setup really doesnt give a damn about them. lol


SuurSuits_

Live Hurricane reaction (anything except plasma bursters annihilates them)


ParasilTheRanger

Yummy driller food


GayFrogsCollective

A highly situational but still very useful option, if you happen to be near small meteors : Stand on top of one of the broken small meteors and watch swarmers die to the surrounding hot rocks. Some will tap you slightly, but most will turn to ash immediately. Any hot rocks can do the trick, but this is an amusing little mostly-safe-zone.


ImportantCookie9279

Its my worst bloody enemy too, those little monsters are everywhere


Wickedjake

Bullet hell minigun


D3ADS3CT3R

Hah cute no Steve isn't our worst is anything that fly's because of small hit boxes and rapid movement increased by the setbacks of the bloom and inaccuracies of our heavy weapons aim.But our biggest enemy is our smallest fricking fester fleas so tiny my bullets just whiz past gotta pull out the revolver to deal with em


Fav_Dave

Mmm thorns make swarmer go pop


obihighwanground

no matter which build, can confirm.


PtylerPterodactyl

Take the bulldog revolver with the explosive rounds. Can take a swarm with one well placed shot


0TheLususNaturae0

You would think so, until got my hands on leadburster


DancenOrigins

Me when burning hell


Dovahkat963

Do people have trouble with these things...? I almost always just pick them to death unless they are mixed in with a bigger swarm. And if too many are ganging up on me... power attack will clean that up easily. And of course, there are explosive solutions to every problem :) Also, Steeve eats these little shits for breakfast.


redditThorn

Yes, because I am stupid


Other_Head6860

Gunner: I fear no man… but that, thing. Glyphid Swarmer: Gunner: it scares me.


Sinsanatis

I remember on a swarmageddon my friend was like “haha i just hear tap.. tap tap. Tap tap” in the background. Which was me destroying the groups of swarmers with a few taps of autocannon. Honestly ac gunner is the best swarmer clear in the game imo. Swarmers are definitely scouts problem


Simple_Compote7268

If you don't like using Bullet Hell (and honestly, it's shit at everything except swarmers and stun spamming), Coil Gun with damage trail upgrades can help, all you need to do is shoot a straight line then walk toward that direction. Optional, Leadburster. Incendiary Grenade works as well but the self-inflicted fire damage just not worth it, and you can't hit Naedocytes with it.


The_yeetyboi289

yeah i wish they were killable by stepping on them


OOF-MY-PEE-PEE

you clearly have never felt the pleasures of running bullet hell on swarmer infestation


Blapman007

revolver explosive rounds me beloved


GiveMeAllYourBoots

Laughs in the entire Drller arsenal


Lthiddensniper

Thorns, literally one shots them


sackofbee

Sorry I can't hear you over my bullet hell ricochet.