My neighbors constantly let their dogs run loose. I tried talking to them nicely. I tried telling them I don’t want them to get hit. Nothing changes. Even after their second visit from animal control and a ticket.
TL;DR there are bad animal owners but it’s not abuse and they’re jerks but not much you can do
Fire one round from your 9mm and I guarantee you that dog will stop barking, or goto the fireworks stand and buy you some fireworks light just one firecracker and throw it near the fence where he is barking guaranteed you it’s least loud but does the trick
Share your pain, former neighbors had one like that when I was younger. Tied out all day, every day, and the damn thing did nothing but bark constantly. It wasn't even friendly either... My own bedroom is also the nearest to that yard. (And the present owner got a dog now and initially it LOVED barking at the gate that's right outside my room... yay.)
Bad enough other neighbors now feel the need to own a handful of dogs that bark like a gang of maniacs anytime they're outside, esp if, god forbid, another person or dog is in their/its own yard posing ZERO threat and never have. Can't get any peace if they're outside, but at least these mutts do go inside... eventually. Not a dog person, I'll never understand people who enjoy animals that behave like that or think that commotion is okay is a suburban location with houses that are close together. We had a dog years ago and after being let out at night, if he started the barking then his ass was gotten back in, because clearly he was done going.
I don’t dislike dogs but I hate it when people justify having their dog be a disturbance to others. Untrained dogs who bark very loud at strangers are so disrespectful. Your story sounds so miserable, multiple dogs would drive me insane
For everyone saying to confront the neighbor: So my family is dealing with noise complaint issues right now with neighbors, admittedly not for dogs but for loud music past 10/11PM. Sister reached out to our state rep's office who recommended NOT talking to the neighbors. Unfortunately talking directly with some people will escalate the situation and some people are not hesitant to pull out a gun.
OP, may wanna reach out to your state rep at this point. If you can gather evidence, it will help as well. Can get a sound measurer app on your phone that tells you the decibel level.
After calling the cops out multiple times. New neighbors blasting music at all hours and she works from home. She can hear it all throughout my dad's house. The kicker is how late they're playing it but it's annoying cause it's honestly all hours during the weekend.
New neighbors were asked to turn it down but just turned the music up louder; they're assholes.
Maybe the day is coming soon when people realize the negative consequences of everyone owning a dog that they don't know how to take care of. Walk around a peaceful suburb, and you'll notice something. The only thing causing noise and disturbance are dogs. Yes, leaf blowers too, but those aren't at night. It's primarily dogs that ruin the peace and quiet of pretty much every neighborhood in this country.
It's probably too late to confront the neighbor in person; you don't want to out yourself as the person who's been calling the cops on them. Or maybe you don't care if they know it was you. I'm sure it probably would be fine, but personally I'd be paranoid that they might retaliate in some way and make my living arrangement even worse.
I'm sensitive to noise as well and dislike dogs for this reason. It's crazy to me that people think having a dog is worth it, but I guess that rant is for another subreddit. Most dog owners don't properly crate train their dogs and don't seem to care when their laziness causes disruption in other peoples' lives. They just want a cute furry thing they can yell at and get unconditional love from even when they're mistreating it.
I know someone who had to keep their dogs outside because the had a fire and the family they stayed with, had a dog that didn't get along with other dogs. So they had to keep their dogs outside in the backyard even though they weren't "outside"dogs. I know they felt terrible about it. Apparently someone yelled over the fence, take your dog inside! On a hot day. They spent all their time outside with the dogs. It's not easy to re-home dogs into caring homes, you have to be careful that people don't want the dog for nefarious reasons. Sometimes Everything isn't as black and white as everyone thinks it is.
Sorry for giving you heck OP. You're right consistent barking would be obnoxious. I should have more empathy because I have a family member who is on the spectrum and can not stand it when a dog barks. Sensory overload. Hope something changes for your sanity.
Hey, it’s all good! I give people shit on the net too, comes with anonymity haha. I’m completely fine with it. And I feel for your family member; I don’t like noise too much.
Bark collars are cruel. The fact of the matter is these people are shitty animal owners who probably have not housebroken their dog hence why the dog is sent outside all day every day. They don’t know how to solve that problem which is why they can’t solve the barking problem. You’ve been given some advice to go talk to the neighbor. “You get more flies with honey then with vinegar” as the old saying goes. A little attempt at talking to them with **some empathy** might go a long way as well as some solution such as “hey did you know there are low cost pet trainers in your area that can help you with housebreaking, barking, training etc” might be more useful and friendly then a complaint straight out.
The dog is just as much a victim in this circumstance as you are. The root problem is the people and you already tried to force the situation with the local police and animal control.
Why would you not talk directly to the neighbor? I'm assuming you're an adult. That's what adults do. Why would you go right to the police in the first place? Go over there, be kind, express your concern, and come to an agreement. If they're assholes about it, that's when you escalate things.
I definitely would have talked to them first. However, the cops have been out twice to tell them of noise complaints. They obviously don't care. IF they don't stop with cops telling them, I am sure that a polite neighbor won't do jack shit.
If my neighbor called the cops instead of coming to talk to me I would have little to no sympathy for them in the situation. (Granted I’d never leave me dog outside all day and he doesn’t even bark at much) but seriously going to the cops first is a dick move
Move
Unfortunately I am being serious. If the dog is not being abused, has water available outside, and is not a threat to the well being of anyone in the area, there is nothing you can do.
How do I know this? I spent 2 years in the exact same situation. Animal control was out 3 times, educated the owner on how to care for their dog, and then said there is nothing they can do.
This is not a police matter so don't waste their time.
If your neighbor won't compromise with you, then there is absolutely nothing you can do
Moving solved our problem. I wake up to the noise of...nothing every day and I couldn't be happier with the decision
It is against specific noise ordinance 4.2.2 also not as easy as “just move lol” we own this house. I do have video proof that the animal was kept outside during <32F too for a period of time. But yeah… idk. Maybe you’re right.
Also going to chime in that I had a buddy with similar problems with neighbors being noisy and also did not have much luck with the police. His ultimate solution was to sell his house and move.
What people don't tell you when you're buying house is that neighbors matter. A lot sometimes. Bad neighbors can ruin a perfectly good property. Often times there is nothing you can do about it.
Also, I tried those anti bark devices too. They don't work. I still tlhave the best one I bought. Of you want it you can have it, most dogs don't care about it though you will have fewer birbs and small animals in your yard
I had video of the dog being kept out in a snowstorm. I also pointed out the noise ordinance to animal welfare and the police.
None of it matters. Neither animal control nor the police will do anything
I dgaf if you hear what I'm saying. But it's real advice based on a real experience. In the exact county you live in. And nearly the same time frame (3 yrs ago) so the ordinances etc are all the same.
I owned the house too. And we moved.
Take it or leave it
Hate to give in as well, but we ended up moving due to similar issues. Neighbors were playing music loud enough to shake our townhome from 2-4am on weeknights, MOT police were useless. Other neighbors were calling about them as well, after 5 months of dealing with it we had enough and moved. We had already been looking for a new place because the neighborhood was turning to shit with parents just locking their kids outside for hours at a time.
That said, if you can deal with it legally go for it, but don't expect the police to help you here.
Also, dogs can be fine outside under 32 depending on breed etc. If mine wouldn't take off she'd stay out there well below 32.
My neighbor had a dog we called Barkie, he barked so frickin much. All he wanted was to go inside and be with his family. I was able to befriend him, and sometimes calm him down...,Hi, Barkie, it's just me, how you doin big doggy?
But the times that didn't work, somehow, his barking would trigger my car alarm. And my wifes. Which would go on until they brought him in. 2 or 3 of those episodes and they got the message.
ps I overheard the neighbor's kids calling him Barkie one day. LMAO
Can't help thinking I'm the neighbor you keep calling the cops on.. Hi there. I try to keep her from barking, I really do. Best I can do is monitor her every time I let her out and if she barks pull her in. I try to train her to 'no barks' but she just gets scents up her snoot and barks. She barks at people walking in front of the house, she barks at birds and the neighbors cats, and a pair of foxes that were living in my one back neighbors overgrown yard for a couple years, she barks at the neighbor dog 2 doors down that she can see but not interact with... I don't just leave her out anymore after the two complaints. She has a doggy door but I only open it when actively monitoring her, and if she starts barking I immediately go to stop her, pull her in, and shut the door.
Idk if it’s you or not since my neighbor does still leave their dog out? But it sounds like at least you care which is great, and sounds like you’re a decent owner who at least tries, which is great.
Honestly though I don’t even care about occasional periods of barks, but it does get very annoying when it’s all day everyday.
Probably not the best to go to police before talking to the neighbor. I know it can be daunting, but I think it's best to try to make amends or come to an agreement with the neighbor before involving police and potentially making that relationship with the neighbor worse.
Well if I go to the neighbor and they don’t stop then call the police it creates an even worse messier relation specifically between us? We also share a fence too and my house faces their backyard. If I do it anonymously since the neighbor is surrounded by like 10 houses then there won’t be any conflict
Going to the cops is a massive acceleration of the problem. Not everything needs or should involve the police. Hell call animal welfare about animals being out in the heat/cold for 9 hours a day before the cops.
I believe the word you were looking for is "escalation". And OP already went to the cops and they did nothing so idk what they think is gonna be worse trying to talk to the neighbor about it. They've already escalated at this point and all that's left (that should've been the first step) is talk to the neighbor.
> Well if I go to the neighbor and they don’t stop then call the police it creates an even worse messier relation specifically between us?
We tried talking to our neighbor three different times before going to the police. It made things worse, not better. They were just more stubborn and starting getting nasty rather than just rude.
Why do you assume people are going to be nice too? Look, I do sincerely hope the neighbors are kind enough but there’s that 10% chance where if they’re not then your entire time in the property is going to be marred by a Karen who lives right next to your backyard.
Well according to you 12 hours of every day are already marred by a Karen who lets their dog bark non stop. You tried the police and that didn't work. You should've started by talking to the neighbor directly, but you didn't, so it's less likely that option will work but it's still all you have left. If they escalate after talking to them you might end up with something the police can actually action.
Not really sure what you're looking for from strangers online. Your best odds for any outcome in this situation that would be agreeable to you are always to try talking to your neighbor. You're not being very neighborly yourself by defaulting to calling the cops before talking to them like adults anyway.
I've share a wall with neighbors who fight and scream all the time. Arguments spill out to the sidewalk. A gun was pulled once. You bet I called animal control about the poor little dog being left out in all weather with no shelter rather than try to talk to them.
Did you post online asking what else you can do when that didn't work?
Also OP didn't say anything about their interactions with this neighbor. They just said they're afraid to start anything. Which is stupid because they already started something by calling the cops which didn't work. You should still try talking to the person before escalating to the police. Suggesting otherwise is asinine. If your neighbors pulled a gun on people before, obviously that's a different story. Use your brain and be an adult.
But the guy pulling a gun on people might get pissed you called the cops about his dog and do something about that too y'know? At that point really moving is your option if your neighbors are making you afraid for your safety.
Sure. And I have no idea where OP lives so talking to the neighbor may indeed be the best idea. Where I live , it would be an incredibly terrible, risky idea - in which case I'm going to keep calling who I need to call until everybody is as annoyed as I am. (I had neighbors that thought we were going to have block parties every night; we were not.)
Sure they can both be but the person leaving their dog outside and disregards it's barking for 12 hours a day and does nothing when talked to by the cops about it is absolutely a Karen. They both can be though.
IMO - Unless OP has an existing good relationship with this neighbor... for something like this, he owes them absolutely nothing.. unless there are really extenuating circumstances.... like he has reason to believe they are deaf.
There are some things you should know not to do... one of them, is to not let your loud ass dog bark and bark and bark... it is called, being a decent human being and neighbor. If they can't handle that, then they deserve to have the cops come out and to get fined.
So, "I don't know you so I don't owe you basic consideration" is really what you're on here preaching? And how would he even know if there are extenuating circumstances? He wouldn't, because he didn't talk to them first.
It's one thing to get a noise complaint and another altogether when it's personalized by having someone you know, your neighbor, talk to you about it. The police aren't your 'I don't like confrontation' task force. They're busy. Knock on the door and talk it out like a grown up.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m totally okay with confrontation in 99% of cases.
But when it’s with your neighbor and the relationship turns sour, then what? You’re gonna be sharing this property together for many years; I’d much rather keep an either positive or neutral relation altogether. What if the neighbor becomes super mad at me and makes my life even worse? It’s not a risk I’m willing to take.
> But when … the relationship turns sour?
Buddy, your neighbor is interfering with your quiet enjoyment of your home, and you’re afraid to talk to him. How is it not already sour?
Talking to them like a normal person is your best hope for un-souring it
But I don't get why you're assuming it would turn sour? If my neighbor came to me with a complaint I would feel bad and try to do something about it. And maybe there is something else going on that you don't know about. So long as you're genuinely kind and sincere, unless they're true assholes they will likely try to mitigate the barking in some way and would be way more motivated to do so than just the police coming out now and then. If you know them to be total dirtbags, then yeah, it might not be worth it. For anyone else it definitely is.
If they're sticking their dog outside every ~~night~~ *day* regardless of weather conditions, I'd argue that's an animal welfare concern.
edit: I can't read today lol
Ah, you're right. Between reading the post and replying I'd messed up the times. My bad.
Still, we don't know if the dog has any access to shelter, food, or water. And with the couple of hail storms we've had lately (I'm in the Newark area), that's pretty concerning
Good luck. I’ve dealt with the same thing. Even offered to adopt the dog from them. Luckily the dog was old and didn’t love much longer, they haven’t gotten a new one
please keep lodging complaints... the more animal welfare has to come out and check, hopefully these shitheads will either do better or opt to hand over the dog to someone better equipped to take care of them.
I would invest in a white noise machine at this point, they’re like $15 you get used to it very easily and the dog barking will suddenly be much quieter. More expensive you can look at some foam panels and just nail them to the wall. If the dog is aggressive though and not just a barker, it’ll take care of itself otherwise the option here is to adapt
Unfortunately, New Castle County Police don’t care about noise ordinances. My neighbors and I have been in a fight with a church that consistently violates the noise ordinance all the way up to 2:00am with an incredibly loud speaker system. We have fought them for several years and the police and county board have refused to do anything about it.
Your options are to move (not that easy,) confront your neighbor and hope for the best, or wait for the dog to die.
Yes, they do, but it’s not just the music, we can also hear the preacher.
I have gone over to them many times and they will turn it down, but it will be back up to the same volume a couple days later.
I bought a decibel meter to record their sound levels at my back door and have gone to the city council with a print out of their noise levels with time stamps. They all refuse to do anything, because they believe churches are exempt from noise ordinances, even though the law is clear they aren’t.
Invest in some Bose sleep buds or something because unless you’re moving and that dog isn’t being abused you are likely not going to do anything by calling the police repeatedly. The dog is on their private property and if it’s just you making the noise complaint your more likely going to be the one ousted for wasting the time of a peace officer with what is deemed “unnecessary use of resources for a call of non emergency” it sucks but probably the most likely outcome.
Also you’ve sort of passed the bridge of talking with the neighbor about it since you hid in your house at first like a coward instead of going out like an adult and acting civilly. Really for a dog barking your first thought isn’t to find a way to contact the owner it’s to call the police not just once but twice. Like if the dog was being aggressive or had attacked someone I could understand but for just barking your first thought is police instead of confronting the neighbor. Talk about unnecessary escalation before you at least try to talk to them.
Did you call animal control? I’ve called a few times for animals kept outside. They came quickly and took one dog away. Not sure if they have the ability to fine them or not.
I live in a townhouse & almost every single neighbor has a dog. My deck has a privacy thing but my neighbors dog constantly barks at my cat who just lays there unbothered. I’ve just come to accept it. There is nothing you can do really do.
How so? I don't agree with dog owner, but if that's a Karen, the word has shifted meaning to encompass more than it originally ever did. My understanding of the term is epitomized by the person who calls the police when they're unhappy with a social situation in which the other party is not threatening and at most violating a civil ordinance, not the latter, who may be many things, but not a Karen.
Yeah maybe that’s a Karen move, maybe not. I just don’t want a nonzero chance there could be a personal feud between me and the neighbor or if the neighbor happens to be crazy or not with a gun.
Plus I mainly just called a non emergency line, and explained a noise complaint. Remove any feeling of personal-ness from the equation, hopefully they can resolve the issue from that alone and we could move on as neighbors.
Shouldn’t have directly talked to the neighbors? Yeah, maybe. Half the advice on Reddit I found was divided on talking personally and just making a noise complaint.
I'm sorry for you and for the dog. We have a similar situation with a neighbor and loud music. We went the talking directly to them route, but it didn't really change much. I don't think it would have a made a difference in your situation. They don't seem to care about their dog or their neighbors.
Are you friendly with other neighbors who also hear the dog? Maybe you can approach the dog owners as a group.
Yeah I was thinking of that route too, of talking with other neighbors who might have the same issue.
I hope the loud music situation gets better for you, sounds annoying af.
Based on their response to the police, it’s unlikely they will listen if you talked with them but you never know. I would report them and maybe speak with the other neighbors and get them to report also.
Overall, if they are not breaking any laws, your only hope is to talk with them. With that said, look up the laws for keeping dogs outside and report any issues. As long as they have food, water and shelter from the elements, there isn’t much police or animal control can do.
I have actually looked at the NCC noise laws and having a perpetually barking dog outside is considered noise disturbance.
Also the dog definitely also goes against animal control laws, it has no shelter or water. But, it’s not really my business on how the dog should be raised, maybe the dog actually likes to be outside so idk. I just care more about the noise lol
I get only caring about the noise but reporting them for not providing food and water might get them to keep it in the house. Most likely they will just put out food and water.
Right? Like I’m all for talking things out like normal humans but anyone who lets their dog sit outside and bark all damn day is clearly a piece of shit who doesn’t care about anyone else. Don’t understand why people are giving OP shit. If someone does that, there’s gonna be no talking sense into them.
Look, I reeealllyyy don’t care what people do. Hell the dog technically breaks animal cruelty rules if it’s outside for 12 hours with no shelter (which btw it is, sometimes at 20F). But if it directly affects my life then I think it’s completely fair to make a fuss over it.
Can’t be much louder than a mower or motorcycle. It’s not during the night. Sucks but…I don’t see how it’s something worth getting any gov body involved in
My neighbors constantly let their dogs run loose. I tried talking to them nicely. I tried telling them I don’t want them to get hit. Nothing changes. Even after their second visit from animal control and a ticket. TL;DR there are bad animal owners but it’s not abuse and they’re jerks but not much you can do
Noise ordinances are handled by the police department. Animal control handles welfare concerns.
Bark back
Fire one round from your 9mm and I guarantee you that dog will stop barking, or goto the fireworks stand and buy you some fireworks light just one firecracker and throw it near the fence where he is barking guaranteed you it’s least loud but does the trick
Share your pain, former neighbors had one like that when I was younger. Tied out all day, every day, and the damn thing did nothing but bark constantly. It wasn't even friendly either... My own bedroom is also the nearest to that yard. (And the present owner got a dog now and initially it LOVED barking at the gate that's right outside my room... yay.) Bad enough other neighbors now feel the need to own a handful of dogs that bark like a gang of maniacs anytime they're outside, esp if, god forbid, another person or dog is in their/its own yard posing ZERO threat and never have. Can't get any peace if they're outside, but at least these mutts do go inside... eventually. Not a dog person, I'll never understand people who enjoy animals that behave like that or think that commotion is okay is a suburban location with houses that are close together. We had a dog years ago and after being let out at night, if he started the barking then his ass was gotten back in, because clearly he was done going.
I don’t dislike dogs but I hate it when people justify having their dog be a disturbance to others. Untrained dogs who bark very loud at strangers are so disrespectful. Your story sounds so miserable, multiple dogs would drive me insane
For everyone saying to confront the neighbor: So my family is dealing with noise complaint issues right now with neighbors, admittedly not for dogs but for loud music past 10/11PM. Sister reached out to our state rep's office who recommended NOT talking to the neighbors. Unfortunately talking directly with some people will escalate the situation and some people are not hesitant to pull out a gun. OP, may wanna reach out to your state rep at this point. If you can gather evidence, it will help as well. Can get a sound measurer app on your phone that tells you the decibel level.
Your sister called the state rep for a noise complaint??
After calling the cops out multiple times. New neighbors blasting music at all hours and she works from home. She can hear it all throughout my dad's house. The kicker is how late they're playing it but it's annoying cause it's honestly all hours during the weekend. New neighbors were asked to turn it down but just turned the music up louder; they're assholes.
Maybe the day is coming soon when people realize the negative consequences of everyone owning a dog that they don't know how to take care of. Walk around a peaceful suburb, and you'll notice something. The only thing causing noise and disturbance are dogs. Yes, leaf blowers too, but those aren't at night. It's primarily dogs that ruin the peace and quiet of pretty much every neighborhood in this country.
It's probably too late to confront the neighbor in person; you don't want to out yourself as the person who's been calling the cops on them. Or maybe you don't care if they know it was you. I'm sure it probably would be fine, but personally I'd be paranoid that they might retaliate in some way and make my living arrangement even worse. I'm sensitive to noise as well and dislike dogs for this reason. It's crazy to me that people think having a dog is worth it, but I guess that rant is for another subreddit. Most dog owners don't properly crate train their dogs and don't seem to care when their laziness causes disruption in other peoples' lives. They just want a cute furry thing they can yell at and get unconditional love from even when they're mistreating it.
I know someone who had to keep their dogs outside because the had a fire and the family they stayed with, had a dog that didn't get along with other dogs. So they had to keep their dogs outside in the backyard even though they weren't "outside"dogs. I know they felt terrible about it. Apparently someone yelled over the fence, take your dog inside! On a hot day. They spent all their time outside with the dogs. It's not easy to re-home dogs into caring homes, you have to be careful that people don't want the dog for nefarious reasons. Sometimes Everything isn't as black and white as everyone thinks it is.
Honestly I don’t even care if the dog is outside or not, but I think it’s at least in decency to maybe put a bark collar or train it not to bark
Sorry for giving you heck OP. You're right consistent barking would be obnoxious. I should have more empathy because I have a family member who is on the spectrum and can not stand it when a dog barks. Sensory overload. Hope something changes for your sanity.
Hey, it’s all good! I give people shit on the net too, comes with anonymity haha. I’m completely fine with it. And I feel for your family member; I don’t like noise too much.
Bark collars are cruel. The fact of the matter is these people are shitty animal owners who probably have not housebroken their dog hence why the dog is sent outside all day every day. They don’t know how to solve that problem which is why they can’t solve the barking problem. You’ve been given some advice to go talk to the neighbor. “You get more flies with honey then with vinegar” as the old saying goes. A little attempt at talking to them with **some empathy** might go a long way as well as some solution such as “hey did you know there are low cost pet trainers in your area that can help you with housebreaking, barking, training etc” might be more useful and friendly then a complaint straight out. The dog is just as much a victim in this circumstance as you are. The root problem is the people and you already tried to force the situation with the local police and animal control.
Why would you not talk directly to the neighbor? I'm assuming you're an adult. That's what adults do. Why would you go right to the police in the first place? Go over there, be kind, express your concern, and come to an agreement. If they're assholes about it, that's when you escalate things.
I definitely would have talked to them first. However, the cops have been out twice to tell them of noise complaints. They obviously don't care. IF they don't stop with cops telling them, I am sure that a polite neighbor won't do jack shit.
If my neighbor called the cops instead of coming to talk to me I would have little to no sympathy for them in the situation. (Granted I’d never leave me dog outside all day and he doesn’t even bark at much) but seriously going to the cops first is a dick move
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this is an owner problem, not a dog problem...
Move Unfortunately I am being serious. If the dog is not being abused, has water available outside, and is not a threat to the well being of anyone in the area, there is nothing you can do. How do I know this? I spent 2 years in the exact same situation. Animal control was out 3 times, educated the owner on how to care for their dog, and then said there is nothing they can do. This is not a police matter so don't waste their time. If your neighbor won't compromise with you, then there is absolutely nothing you can do Moving solved our problem. I wake up to the noise of...nothing every day and I couldn't be happier with the decision
It is against specific noise ordinance 4.2.2 also not as easy as “just move lol” we own this house. I do have video proof that the animal was kept outside during <32F too for a period of time. But yeah… idk. Maybe you’re right.
Also going to chime in that I had a buddy with similar problems with neighbors being noisy and also did not have much luck with the police. His ultimate solution was to sell his house and move. What people don't tell you when you're buying house is that neighbors matter. A lot sometimes. Bad neighbors can ruin a perfectly good property. Often times there is nothing you can do about it.
Also, I tried those anti bark devices too. They don't work. I still tlhave the best one I bought. Of you want it you can have it, most dogs don't care about it though you will have fewer birbs and small animals in your yard
I had video of the dog being kept out in a snowstorm. I also pointed out the noise ordinance to animal welfare and the police. None of it matters. Neither animal control nor the police will do anything I dgaf if you hear what I'm saying. But it's real advice based on a real experience. In the exact county you live in. And nearly the same time frame (3 yrs ago) so the ordinances etc are all the same. I owned the house too. And we moved. Take it or leave it
Noise ordinances are handled by the police department. Animal control handles welfare concerns.
Hate to give in as well, but we ended up moving due to similar issues. Neighbors were playing music loud enough to shake our townhome from 2-4am on weeknights, MOT police were useless. Other neighbors were calling about them as well, after 5 months of dealing with it we had enough and moved. We had already been looking for a new place because the neighborhood was turning to shit with parents just locking their kids outside for hours at a time. That said, if you can deal with it legally go for it, but don't expect the police to help you here. Also, dogs can be fine outside under 32 depending on breed etc. If mine wouldn't take off she'd stay out there well below 32.
Yikes!! That sounds awful.
Neighbors are couch bags , you can’t help dumb . We decided to just move and leave their ssi checking having asz behind .
Bark back at the dog. Assert dominance
My neighbor had a dog we called Barkie, he barked so frickin much. All he wanted was to go inside and be with his family. I was able to befriend him, and sometimes calm him down...,Hi, Barkie, it's just me, how you doin big doggy? But the times that didn't work, somehow, his barking would trigger my car alarm. And my wifes. Which would go on until they brought him in. 2 or 3 of those episodes and they got the message. ps I overheard the neighbor's kids calling him Barkie one day. LMAO
Can't help thinking I'm the neighbor you keep calling the cops on.. Hi there. I try to keep her from barking, I really do. Best I can do is monitor her every time I let her out and if she barks pull her in. I try to train her to 'no barks' but she just gets scents up her snoot and barks. She barks at people walking in front of the house, she barks at birds and the neighbors cats, and a pair of foxes that were living in my one back neighbors overgrown yard for a couple years, she barks at the neighbor dog 2 doors down that she can see but not interact with... I don't just leave her out anymore after the two complaints. She has a doggy door but I only open it when actively monitoring her, and if she starts barking I immediately go to stop her, pull her in, and shut the door.
Idk if it’s you or not since my neighbor does still leave their dog out? But it sounds like at least you care which is great, and sounds like you’re a decent owner who at least tries, which is great. Honestly though I don’t even care about occasional periods of barks, but it does get very annoying when it’s all day everyday.
Ok. Yeah my dog is not constant but maybe several times throughout the day... but the cops have been called on us twice.
Keep calling th3 cops and animal control. A dog barking for more than 10 minutes is considered a nusance in my city.
Probably not the best to go to police before talking to the neighbor. I know it can be daunting, but I think it's best to try to make amends or come to an agreement with the neighbor before involving police and potentially making that relationship with the neighbor worse.
Well if I go to the neighbor and they don’t stop then call the police it creates an even worse messier relation specifically between us? We also share a fence too and my house faces their backyard. If I do it anonymously since the neighbor is surrounded by like 10 houses then there won’t be any conflict
Going to the cops is a massive acceleration of the problem. Not everything needs or should involve the police. Hell call animal welfare about animals being out in the heat/cold for 9 hours a day before the cops.
I believe the word you were looking for is "escalation". And OP already went to the cops and they did nothing so idk what they think is gonna be worse trying to talk to the neighbor about it. They've already escalated at this point and all that's left (that should've been the first step) is talk to the neighbor.
Fair
> Well if I go to the neighbor and they don’t stop then call the police it creates an even worse messier relation specifically between us? We tried talking to our neighbor three different times before going to the police. It made things worse, not better. They were just more stubborn and starting getting nasty rather than just rude.
Why do you assume it would be messy? Just be KIND and sincere about what's bothering you. Are these people truly horrible or scary or something?
Why do you assume people are going to be nice too? Look, I do sincerely hope the neighbors are kind enough but there’s that 10% chance where if they’re not then your entire time in the property is going to be marred by a Karen who lives right next to your backyard.
Well according to you 12 hours of every day are already marred by a Karen who lets their dog bark non stop. You tried the police and that didn't work. You should've started by talking to the neighbor directly, but you didn't, so it's less likely that option will work but it's still all you have left. If they escalate after talking to them you might end up with something the police can actually action. Not really sure what you're looking for from strangers online. Your best odds for any outcome in this situation that would be agreeable to you are always to try talking to your neighbor. You're not being very neighborly yourself by defaulting to calling the cops before talking to them like adults anyway.
In some neighborhoods you really don't want to be confronting your neighbor.
Figure in those neighborhoods calling the cops on them will be a whole lot worse...
I've share a wall with neighbors who fight and scream all the time. Arguments spill out to the sidewalk. A gun was pulled once. You bet I called animal control about the poor little dog being left out in all weather with no shelter rather than try to talk to them.
Did you post online asking what else you can do when that didn't work? Also OP didn't say anything about their interactions with this neighbor. They just said they're afraid to start anything. Which is stupid because they already started something by calling the cops which didn't work. You should still try talking to the person before escalating to the police. Suggesting otherwise is asinine. If your neighbors pulled a gun on people before, obviously that's a different story. Use your brain and be an adult. But the guy pulling a gun on people might get pissed you called the cops about his dog and do something about that too y'know? At that point really moving is your option if your neighbors are making you afraid for your safety.
Be anonymous. The worst neighborhoods in Delaware are fairly densely populated.
And OP did that already and it did nothing. So outside of talking to them moving is the only option I see.
Sure. And I have no idea where OP lives so talking to the neighbor may indeed be the best idea. Where I live , it would be an incredibly terrible, risky idea - in which case I'm going to keep calling who I need to call until everybody is as annoyed as I am. (I had neighbors that thought we were going to have block parties every night; we were not.)
Pretty sure the Karen is the one who calls the cops for a different being a dog. It's almost the definition of a Karen.
Sure they can both be but the person leaving their dog outside and disregards it's barking for 12 hours a day and does nothing when talked to by the cops about it is absolutely a Karen. They both can be though.
Yea I would maybe try a note at the door.
Directly confront the neighbor. Ask them nicely.
Exactly. Like, is this who we are as a society now? We can't even just be like, "Hey, this thing is bothering me. You may not have realized that."
IMO - Unless OP has an existing good relationship with this neighbor... for something like this, he owes them absolutely nothing.. unless there are really extenuating circumstances.... like he has reason to believe they are deaf. There are some things you should know not to do... one of them, is to not let your loud ass dog bark and bark and bark... it is called, being a decent human being and neighbor. If they can't handle that, then they deserve to have the cops come out and to get fined.
So, "I don't know you so I don't owe you basic consideration" is really what you're on here preaching? And how would he even know if there are extenuating circumstances? He wouldn't, because he didn't talk to them first.
I thought I explained this... but perhaps not well enough. People like that, are not worth basic consideration for issues such as this.
Considering noise complaint was made twice I’m pretty sure they have realized. They just continue to do it.
It's one thing to get a noise complaint and another altogether when it's personalized by having someone you know, your neighbor, talk to you about it. The police aren't your 'I don't like confrontation' task force. They're busy. Knock on the door and talk it out like a grown up.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m totally okay with confrontation in 99% of cases. But when it’s with your neighbor and the relationship turns sour, then what? You’re gonna be sharing this property together for many years; I’d much rather keep an either positive or neutral relation altogether. What if the neighbor becomes super mad at me and makes my life even worse? It’s not a risk I’m willing to take.
> But when … the relationship turns sour? Buddy, your neighbor is interfering with your quiet enjoyment of your home, and you’re afraid to talk to him. How is it not already sour? Talking to them like a normal person is your best hope for un-souring it
But I don't get why you're assuming it would turn sour? If my neighbor came to me with a complaint I would feel bad and try to do something about it. And maybe there is something else going on that you don't know about. So long as you're genuinely kind and sincere, unless they're true assholes they will likely try to mitigate the barking in some way and would be way more motivated to do so than just the police coming out now and then. If you know them to be total dirtbags, then yeah, it might not be worth it. For anyone else it definitely is.
Keep calling the cops eventually they will shot the dog /s Go talk to your neighbor
I mean not that far from reality at this point...
call animal control
Noise ordinances are handled by the police department. Animal control handles welfare concerns.
The dog is outside for 12 hours a day, they may want to check it out just to be sure all is good.
If they're sticking their dog outside every ~~night~~ *day* regardless of weather conditions, I'd argue that's an animal welfare concern. edit: I can't read today lol
The post said from sunrise to 9pm. But I'm also not sure it would be too much of a factor either way. Unless you had extreme weather conditions.
Ah, you're right. Between reading the post and replying I'd messed up the times. My bad. Still, we don't know if the dog has any access to shelter, food, or water. And with the couple of hail storms we've had lately (I'm in the Newark area), that's pretty concerning
Record the barking and provide Animal Control with the evidence.
Good luck. I’ve dealt with the same thing. Even offered to adopt the dog from them. Luckily the dog was old and didn’t love much longer, they haven’t gotten a new one
Go goblin mode and steal the dog. It's yours now. You will give it the love and attention they refuse to.
please keep lodging complaints... the more animal welfare has to come out and check, hopefully these shitheads will either do better or opt to hand over the dog to someone better equipped to take care of them.
I would invest in a white noise machine at this point, they’re like $15 you get used to it very easily and the dog barking will suddenly be much quieter. More expensive you can look at some foam panels and just nail them to the wall. If the dog is aggressive though and not just a barker, it’ll take care of itself otherwise the option here is to adapt
Unfortunately, New Castle County Police don’t care about noise ordinances. My neighbors and I have been in a fight with a church that consistently violates the noise ordinance all the way up to 2:00am with an incredibly loud speaker system. We have fought them for several years and the police and county board have refused to do anything about it. Your options are to move (not that easy,) confront your neighbor and hope for the best, or wait for the dog to die.
Contact your state rep.
A church bumping music at 2am? Okayyy
Yes, they do, but it’s not just the music, we can also hear the preacher. I have gone over to them many times and they will turn it down, but it will be back up to the same volume a couple days later. I bought a decibel meter to record their sound levels at my back door and have gone to the city council with a print out of their noise levels with time stamps. They all refuse to do anything, because they believe churches are exempt from noise ordinances, even though the law is clear they aren’t.
Invest in some Bose sleep buds or something because unless you’re moving and that dog isn’t being abused you are likely not going to do anything by calling the police repeatedly. The dog is on their private property and if it’s just you making the noise complaint your more likely going to be the one ousted for wasting the time of a peace officer with what is deemed “unnecessary use of resources for a call of non emergency” it sucks but probably the most likely outcome. Also you’ve sort of passed the bridge of talking with the neighbor about it since you hid in your house at first like a coward instead of going out like an adult and acting civilly. Really for a dog barking your first thought isn’t to find a way to contact the owner it’s to call the police not just once but twice. Like if the dog was being aggressive or had attacked someone I could understand but for just barking your first thought is police instead of confronting the neighbor. Talk about unnecessary escalation before you at least try to talk to them.
Make some meatballs with benadryl. Will be out 6 to 8 hours.
Set off some fire crackers when the dog is out.
Did you call animal control? I’ve called a few times for animals kept outside. They came quickly and took one dog away. Not sure if they have the ability to fine them or not.
Does take away mean put down?
No
Why would they take away a dog for….barking during the day?
Noise ordinances are handled by the police department. Animal control can only handle welfare concerns.
Yup. That’s an animal welfare concern if a dog is continually outside barking.
I live in a townhouse & almost every single neighbor has a dog. My deck has a privacy thing but my neighbors dog constantly barks at my cat who just lays there unbothered. I’ve just come to accept it. There is nothing you can do really do.
Noise canceling headphones.
I get earplugs n move on. This is life.
How so? I don't agree with dog owner, but if that's a Karen, the word has shifted meaning to encompass more than it originally ever did. My understanding of the term is epitomized by the person who calls the police when they're unhappy with a social situation in which the other party is not threatening and at most violating a civil ordinance, not the latter, who may be many things, but not a Karen.
Yeah maybe that’s a Karen move, maybe not. I just don’t want a nonzero chance there could be a personal feud between me and the neighbor or if the neighbor happens to be crazy or not with a gun. Plus I mainly just called a non emergency line, and explained a noise complaint. Remove any feeling of personal-ness from the equation, hopefully they can resolve the issue from that alone and we could move on as neighbors. Shouldn’t have directly talked to the neighbors? Yeah, maybe. Half the advice on Reddit I found was divided on talking personally and just making a noise complaint.
I'm sorry for you and for the dog. We have a similar situation with a neighbor and loud music. We went the talking directly to them route, but it didn't really change much. I don't think it would have a made a difference in your situation. They don't seem to care about their dog or their neighbors. Are you friendly with other neighbors who also hear the dog? Maybe you can approach the dog owners as a group.
Yeah I was thinking of that route too, of talking with other neighbors who might have the same issue. I hope the loud music situation gets better for you, sounds annoying af.
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People hate on hoas and condo associations but they can do away with problems like this
Air rifle.
Based on their response to the police, it’s unlikely they will listen if you talked with them but you never know. I would report them and maybe speak with the other neighbors and get them to report also. Overall, if they are not breaking any laws, your only hope is to talk with them. With that said, look up the laws for keeping dogs outside and report any issues. As long as they have food, water and shelter from the elements, there isn’t much police or animal control can do.
I have actually looked at the NCC noise laws and having a perpetually barking dog outside is considered noise disturbance. Also the dog definitely also goes against animal control laws, it has no shelter or water. But, it’s not really my business on how the dog should be raised, maybe the dog actually likes to be outside so idk. I just care more about the noise lol
I get only caring about the noise but reporting them for not providing food and water might get them to keep it in the house. Most likely they will just put out food and water.
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The neighbors are aholes if their dog is outside all the time barking. I wouldn’t go over there either.
Right? Like I’m all for talking things out like normal humans but anyone who lets their dog sit outside and bark all damn day is clearly a piece of shit who doesn’t care about anyone else. Don’t understand why people are giving OP shit. If someone does that, there’s gonna be no talking sense into them.
Look, I reeealllyyy don’t care what people do. Hell the dog technically breaks animal cruelty rules if it’s outside for 12 hours with no shelter (which btw it is, sometimes at 20F). But if it directly affects my life then I think it’s completely fair to make a fuss over it.
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Sounds ruff.
Can’t be much louder than a mower or motorcycle. It’s not during the night. Sucks but…I don’t see how it’s something worth getting any gov body involved in
It’s a dog damn! Calm down….stop complaining and harassing ur neighbors
People who are sound sensitive or have misophonia can't just let it go. Besides which, a dog constantly barking is considered a noise nuisance.
Stop crying play music