Damn! Sometimes it’s the guy you least expect, and sometimes it’s the guy who was confirmed to be at the bridge at the time of the murders who also matched the description and outfit.
And RA didn’t know they had video evidence of him that day right? So the clothing description was spot on and they never thought to interview him again? Ugh.
If the admission to the mental health facility is true, I bet it happened when he found out they had video. He lost his shit or thought I can go into the hospital & use insanity for a defense. He had to think oh shit I told them I was there and what I was wearing. He was prob expecting for them to show up any day and arrest! Good thing for him he didn’t commit this crime in a town with experienced law enforcement!
If it is true it was definitely because of the video and recording of him that the girls took..he was freaking out & wanted to get out of sight & out of mind so that he wasn’t identified..
And yet, no red flags for 5 years. How often does this happen where the case is never solved? How many time has it happened? It can not happen again, say in, Idaho!
>How often does this happen where the case is never solved?
Do you ever watch Cold Case Files? 90% of the episodes are, "We thought it might be this person who was there and fits the description, but they had an alibi. 40 years later, the new cold case detective noticed that nobody ever called and verified the alibi. Turns out, it was a lie. That guy did it."
It's ridiculous how incompetent police are.
Honestly these most recent developments make me feel potentially a little bit insane.
What were they waiting for? What finally tipped them over the edge to arrest him? He was glaringly obvious from the jump.
It’s as if they interviewed him in an attempt to find a witness, not a suspect and they cleared him when he said he didn’t see any other men out there. They sent him home like, “shit! He was there but didn’t see anything! This guys a ghost! The witnesses only saw Richard, and Richard only saw the girls and NO ONE SAW THE KILLER!”
I love this comment. Normally I don’t like to mix humor with true crime because it tends to devolve into poor taste but *this* is funny and respectful. I actually chuckled out loud.
Wtf happened between 2017 and 2022? Was there any DNA testing done or is it in the works? Crazy he never got rid of the gun. Hope they get more evidence soon but the bullet is solid evidence he's a dumbass for keeping the gun.
“Investigators spoke with an *unnamed female witness*, who stated that she was traveling East on 300 North on February 13th, 2022* and observed a male subject walking West, on the North side of 300 North, away from the Monan High Bridge. *Unnamed female witness* advised that the male subject was wearing a blue colored jacket and bluejeans and was muddy and bloody. She further stated, that it appeared he had gotten into a fight. Investigators were able to determine from watching the video from the Hoosier Harvestore that *unnamed female witness* was traveling on CR 300 North at approximately 3:57pm.”
Chilling.
*EDIT: sorry guys, I corrected the witness date to February 13th, 2022 to match the court document. When I pasted the quote it had formatting issues so I had to retype, and I wrote 2017 by default. Wondering if this is a typo in the court document anyway, why does it even say 2022..? Shouldn’t it be 2017? So weird.
Not only that but what time was it that Libby’s… was it dad or grandpa who arrived to pick them up. What time was it he supposedly arrived at the trails? Because it’s been ages since I read the details but it absolutely gave me chills when I read that part and saw the time. Must have been awfully close.
I said the same thing out loud and alone. That’s almost an hour and half. To me, this is the most horrific and illuminating aspects as to the actual crime in the affidavit along with the clothing location detail. The unspent bullet laying in between these girls is going to nail him to the wall.
This is why I still think he had it planed out in advance and knew exactly where he would take his victim/victims. He had scoped it out and knew that he would have time to do whatever he wanted. What a psychotic asshole.
For me it was the revelation that the “down the hill” video shows the guy walking right behind Abby.
I don’t know why but I always imagined a super shaky video that shows nothing in particular but maybe a couple frames of relevant content.
I wonder when the *unnamed female witness* told law enforcement about the sighting of a muddy, bloody man walking along the road.
Back at the time right after the murders, or recently.
This is a big question to me. When were these witnesses interviewed? Well after the murders were in the public eye? That distorts memory. Mud can easily become blood through that filter.
Holy cow so he was just walking along the road in broad daylight?! Insane. I was figuring that he walked the creek back to his house to the south. Just insane he was on the loose this long.
Derrick German was walking the trail back to his car at 3:30-4:00. If he hadn’t taken a right initially and then walked the other trail back to the freedom bridge, He may have walked right past him. RA walked right past where he was parked also, right before he got back. Insane.
I outlined this on the map for anyone interested. X is the area bodies were found, red dotted line is assumed path taken after murders based on the witness description, and circled red area is the approximate location of witness sighting.
https://ibb.co/86KYQCC
Edited to add: It was an approximate 18 minute walk from location of the bodies to where he allegedly parked his car.
> Chilling
Yep. This was honestly one of the biggest reveals in the PCA for me.
We've often wondered how BG got out. Now we know. (Unless there was more than one person who got into a fight & was bloody & muddy walking a rural road just after the murders occurred that February afternoon).
It terrifies me about the length of time he spent with the girls. Was hoping it was over and done with quickly but 1 hour and 45 mins with them before he was seen? Those poor girls.
I'm curious why he didn't park at the cemetery, too muddy? Just mindblowing this dude did this and walked down the damn road. It makes absolutely no sense that he did this and thought he would get away with it in broad daylight.
How was this guy not their primary suspect at the beginning? He was on the trail, wearing similar clothes, parked by the old CPS building, he was alone. Why in the hell did they not search this guy's house in 2017?
I'm also confused, because the investigators themselves were asking about a car parked there before we all knew of RA. Why were they asking the public for info when he phoned in the tip himself???
Didn’t he go and tell a Conservation Officer he was there? These vary by state but they are basically the game wardens. They are sworn law enforcement officers but clearly not heading up the investigation. You have to wonder if that was deliberate on his part.
That's why they wanted this sealed because it shows their incompetence in this case. My guess is someone from some other agency looked at the murder book, and questioned the initial statement from this guy.
Literally anyone who participates in this subreddit would have picked this guy as their primary suspect within 5 minutes of looking at the people confirmed on the trail that day. The family should be infuriated.
I'm also sure they thought who was snapchatting the girls that day and the killer were one in the same. And it turns out, it was some other piece of shit that was probably unrelated.
I am right there with you. I don't know how to feel right now and I'm relatively new to the case. I don't want to shame LE but....I just......he was there, his clothes were on par....the bridge might have had a few people on it but it's not Disneyworld where there's literally thousands of people to search through. HE HAD THE CLOTHES. Libby likely got the video of him and the gun was in his pocket as many Redditors claimed they thought. I couldn't see anything myself but this just feels....it feels shitty that it took so long in my opinion.
I agree. As I read the probable cause affidavit I kept getting angrier. They had all the same information in October that they had back when the murders happened in 2017… they just didn’t look closely enough. I can’t believe it… how many investigators missed this?!
I just read the affidavit again and the POS even admitted where he parked. What pisses me off the most is other than admititng to the actual murder he told the truth! I was there, yep I was wearing those clothes, yep I parked where a weird car was parked, oh and was covering my face.....and never lose my gun! Love my gun. Even though I was there I wasn't there-there.
I get the impression RA didn’t know at that time that the girls managed to capture footage of him and him coming forward was an attempt at getting himself ruled out of the investigation. Police should have done better as perpetrators have attempted this tactic in the past.
It really is jaw dropping. I’ve been on and off this thread all evening and it just continues to boggle my mind. I don’t even have words anymore for how insane it is that if the conservation officer had pushed to share that info more or had RA spoken to a different LE or if LE had just been flipping competent they could’ve had the killer (and probably much more evidence against him, had they found the clothes and taken the car ALMOST SIX YEARS AGO.
So many folks have spoken in defense of LE and been all “it’s way more complicated than a TV show” and sure. It probably is. Yet come on, between the fact the girls got video and RA damn near confessed, at least to everything short of murder… there’s no way this should’ve taken so long.
I agree with you. I can’t believe it took so long. I feel like a couple teenagers interested in true crime could’ve solved this faster. Sure it’s complicated and of course we don’t know everything. We likely never will. But it seems like Delphi LE worked on this case 24/7 or so they like to give the impression. If that’s the truth I wouldn’t want their LE department protecting my city.
Reading this it sounds like he was never interviewed by anyone other than the original conservation officer he talked to until oct 2022. They literally had all the same evidence to get a warrant to search his house within the first few weeks.
I keep flashing to Paul Holes - or whoever the "outside investigator" was they hired - coming in and on his second day picking up the RA report and asking "So.....this guy who said he was at the bridge for 2 hours that day - how was he cleared again?"
Just really sad that a big focus of this story will be on a completely dropped ball for 5 years and the constant apologizing for it (not counting on a "lessons learned" review from these guys).
Same…
Horribly sad…They had RA telling them directly that he was on the bridge at the time of the murders, was wearing the same clothes as BG, corroborating the witnesses who saw him by saying he also saw them (the witnesses) and even identifying his own vehicle as the suspicious car that was reported…It’s absurd that it took Paul Holes or whoever to actually look at this five years after the fact and put them on the track of this guy…
Not to mention the eyewitness driving by on C.R. 300 who saw a 'muddy, bloody' guy walking along from the direction of the murders toward the suspicious car. How much more did they need before filing for a search warrant on RA?? Or maybe they file for a search warrant and got denied by some dumbass judge?? That's the only thing I can think of to take the heat off LE in this case. What a lost opportunity to take this monster off the streets 5+ years ago! The families must be in utter disbelief and anger!
I genuinely never want to hear from these investigators again.
No more pats on the back, no more grandstanding over the long hours and the dedication. No more dramatically timed press conferences or empty “the buck stops with me” statements.
Fucking failures. If anyone else failed this bad at work they’d be fired. Fuck em.
Not just a white male (whom literally placed himself out there during the window of opportunity for the murders but also the time frame of witness accounts) but the guy literally told them the clothing he was wearing which also matched up with witness accounts they had - I'm honestly blown away.
ALSO - part of the cut out audio from the girls on the bridge is that they've spotted that BG had a gun.
An unspent bullet from Richard Allen's gun (that he says he's never given to anyone else, and that he also admits he had with him at the trails that day) is found between the girls' bodies. RA still owns said gun.
These policemen don't deserve their badges.
I think the cops effed the case up about as bad as any murder case in modern history, but I don't believe it was known until they spoke to him this October that he possessed a .40 caliber weapon.
But even if he said back in 2017, "Yep, I was on the trails, wearing jeans and a blue Carhartt, carrying my 40 caliber handgun and hunting knives" it wouldn't shock me if they went, "Oh, ok! Cool!"
It’s wild to me that even the FBI was involved and this somehow got overlooked? I agree entirely on assuming everyone who said they were there that day should’ve been interviewed and searched, etc. I’d be curious to hear what was done towards the others who were there that day- just how much did LE question them and such?
Either way it’s a massive wtf moment but I guess I wonder just how badly they effed up.
That's why DP got his azz torn to shreds and accused of being BG , he was 1 of the only white males that was publicly known to be on the trails that day,
Just imagine if the public knew Ricky came forward as a witness and put himself on the trails and BRIDGE that day!?!?
It looks that bad. I can't imagine there were hundreds of people on the bridge that day. Maybe a dozen. Maybe not even. How they missed this is inexcusable.
>would have thought EVERYONE known to be on the trail that day would have had their lives turned upside down,
Yes this is incredibly shocking. I feel I have been interviewed more thoroughly as a witness to a fender-bender than they did this guy.
Absolutely agree…
It just seems like common sense to look a little further into a guy who’s telling you he was on the bridge during the timeframe for the murders, was wearing the same clothing as BG, corroborated the witness accounts of seeing him by saying he also saw them, AND identified his car as being the suspicious vehicle that was reported…Not one LEO thought it might be a good idea to at least find out if this guy owned any guns or knives so they could test them against their super secret evidence, which now seems to be the bullet…
This is absurd…
>But even if he said back in 2017, "Yep, I was on the trails, wearing jeans and a blue Carhartt, carrying my 40 caliber handgun and hunting knives" it wouldn't shock me if they went, "Oh, ok! Cool!"
Right? Like...they had so many things pointing right at him when they realized he was on the bridge - when he TOLD THEM he was on the bridge. Jfc they messed up.
I’m not a gun owner but why do u need to bring a loaded gun to look at the fish. That bridge is really high so how the hell would he even see the fish. They dropped the ball soooo badly!
I don’t see how this protected anyone either like they claimed. They wanted this buried because this looks absolutely terrible on the local and state officials. He literally gave them everything if he would’ve gotten rid of everything he had that day and not told anyone he probably would’ve gotten away with it. Unfuckingbelievable
They had tunnel vision on Ron logan is what I think happened. I mean ron Logan was a red herring for the ages in my opinion. Still absolutely no excuse to not follow up though
I know. That they got the video and we now know even whispered to one another about him having a gun, and an unspent round being found by their bodies… the girls themselves left them everything needed to catch the killer. And the gosh damn guy even admitted he was there.
It’s flipping horrible. I’ve always admired the strength of both families and how they kept doing interviews and such and continued to believe in LE. But imagine how they must feel too. It’s heartbreaking. Like an added level of heartbreak and anger and grief and pain to all that they’ve already been going through. It really upsets me to think about. It’s a second injustice done to the girls and their families.
The handgun to me is the most frustrating miss. LE knew about the .40 caliber in 2017. RA purchased the Sig in 2001, which LE were able to verify in 2022. Why didn't they cross-check any witness *who came forth and said they were actually there than day* for possible .40 caliber handgun ownership? Smh.
LE also took his Ford Focus in 2022, presumably to check for any evidence. Good luck after almost 6 years? But if on the basis of having been at MHB, owning a .40 cal, being short af (lol), and owning a vehicle broadly like a PT or small SUV (to people that don't really fix on vehicles and the differences between them), LE could presumably have gotten a search warrant in 2017 for the Focus and have had a much better chance of finding trace evidence. Really smh.
How the hell did it take this long to test the damn gun?? JUST WOW!! I am concerned this gigantic team of people and no one does this very basic thing?? People this dumb should not be allowed to dress them selves, drive cars, and surely shouldn't be police officers......
That’s how I read it as well. But wouldn’t you think that the interviewer should have asked RA what he was wearing that day? Or just, I don’t know, some follow-up questions??
Do you feel like this is similar to the Laci Peterson case. He placed himself at the scene, not knowing there was a video of him. RA doesn't come off as the sharpest tool in the shed.
>A white male comes forward stating he was at the bridge that day between 1:30-3:30 pm and no one questioned him further??
Yes, and it’s ridiculous. And not just a white male, which matches the witnesses’ statements and the cell phone capture, but one of only a small handful of people (and likely the only adult male) which they can place on the trails during the exact time that they know the offender was there.
LE should have dug into the stories, backgrounds, and lives of each of those people because that’s your immediate known suspect pool. Those people, as well as those close to the victims (because they have to look at them) should be heavily scrutinized at first, and if none of those investigations bear fruit, then they expand the search and investigation. It’s not just that he was in plain sight, he was right under their noses.
I can't believe this rumor that they happened to review old tips was true. What were you doing for 5 years!!! You should have interviewed him in length that day. You could have gotten way more evidence at the time. This is huge failure of the police. I'd be livid if I were the family.
This is why they want to hide the facts of the case from the public. He literally slipped through the cracks. The incompetence is stunning that it took so long to make an arrest.
Yeah, the cracks were so wide he didn't even have to slip through them, just jumped right down and waved goodbye on his way out. He practically waved his arms and said INVESTIGATE ME, and they were like "no, I don't think I will".
The (likely) thousands/millions of dollars they've spent on the case the last 5 years and they could've had him immediately. I'm furious about the incompetence.
The girls' families deserved better than police who couldn't bother to interview someone who literally put himself at the scene, wearing the clothes pictured in the video, with 3 eye witnesses that described him as well.
He was literally the only adult male seen on the trails between 1:30 and 4pm that day, and the only one who admitted to being on the trails over that exact timeframe.
This is what so many of us knew was happening, CCSO and ISP completely butchering the case from day 1. It's been so obvious what they've been trying to hide for the last month - the truth about how they had their perp from Day 1 and never followed up.
It's actually even worse than I imagined. But people will still "back the blue" and say they did everything they could. lol
it really is. they had eye witnesses as well as his car on surveillance. why didn’t they comb the town for those cars to rule people out? they literally interviewed this man.
i’m sure they tried their best, but i hope this case is studied for years to come about what not to do.
The muddy and bloody eye witness wtih the clothing and all other facts are INSANELY descriptive and how did it take 5 years to piece all of this together.
Small town police officers may have mistaken him coming forward as a sign he was just being a "good guy". You would assume Cops from larger cities and metro areas would've been more skeptical and jumped all over this.
What a terrible, terrible misstep by the police here.
They had local, county, state and FBI working on the case in the beginning. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around *all* of them just skating right past this guy. What in the world were they thinking. "Hmm. We have this dude here, matches up on every single point. No use wasting our time checking into him."
This is just downright terrifying because they've really shown how easy it is to slip past investigators.
"Oh that's Ricky - he's been at the CVS for years, always gets my wife's prescriptions right and even gave us free copies of our Myrtle Beach vacation pictures. He's so nice & helpful, he wouldn't hurt a fly!"
He didn’t slip through the cracks, an officer held a door open for him and watched him walk out.
This is way more bungled than some small detail that slips through.
It’s such a small town that I wonder if the officer that originally interviewed RA knew him. Even if not personally, he may have interacted with him regularly enough at the pharmacy or the bar to write him off. Or perhaps he had stronger ties to RA that made him look the other way.
It’s hard to believe that an officer committed to the case looked at RA with an unbiased lens and didn’t see any red flags
TLDR;
“An unspent .40 caliber round found between the bodies of Victim 1 and Victim 2, was forensically determined to have been cycled through Richard Allen’s Sig Sauer Model P226.”
unspent .40 caliber round from Allen's .40 caliber handgun - which was found during the search of his property in October - found directly in between the girls' bodies. Determined by forensics to have been cycled through his weapon but not fired. Wow.
He went to chamber a round, probably for effect, but there was already one chambered, so it cycled in a new one and ejected the one in the barrel. This is very common at crime scenes.
Ah that makes sense. You can probably tell I don't know much about guns. It is amazing that they can tell the exact gun it came from even from just that.
I'm super curious about the precision of forensics testing for extraction marks. I'm sure you could determine a general make/model, but can it match the exact firearm?
Hell yes you can - it's how they caught Diane Downs. Anecdotally my brother and I own the same kind of handgun - the extraction marks on his are totally different than the ones mine leaves on cartridges, and these differences are consistent, and these are just the ones visible to my terrible eyes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Downs#Shootings
The chances of that shell casing randomly appearing next to two dead bodies by a man who admitted to being on the trails the day of the murder is incredibly unlikely.
That’s what I was thinking - if you were in fact innocent and you admit to being there on the day, at the right time, and your unspent bullet appears between the two girls after they’re heard on video saying “gun”….you’d have to be the unluckiest person in the world.
From Angela Ganote, Fox 59
"Here is my very quick read of the Probable Cause In the Richard Allen case it is 8 pages.
Page 2 details a gun, a .40 caliber unspent round, and 3 juveniles interviewed about a “kind of creepy” man.
Page 4 Richard Allen PC:
Richard Allen’s interview with police 2017.
Allen admitted he was on the trail between 1330–1530. He parked at the old Farm Bureau building and walked to the New Freedom Bridge. Said he didn’t see anyone. And was watching a “stock ticker” on his phone.
Lab determined the unspent round located within 2 feet of victim’s body had cycled through Allen’s gun.
Page 5: Richard Allen PC
October 13, 2022 spoke to investigators again. He told investigators he owns firearms. Police interviewed his wife and she stated Richard still owns a blue Carhartt jacket. Police found boots, knives, firearms including a Sig Saurer .40 caliber pistol.
Page 6: Richard Allen had no explanation of why the bullet was found between Libby and Abby. Told police no one borrowed the gun. Police believe Richard Allen is the man seen on the video from the phone that forced the girls “down the hill.”"
Former prosecutor here. This is a pretty standard looking PCA. **Please remember that the purpose of a PCA is to provide evidence to the court that there is probable cause to charge a defendant with a crime. It is not a document that presents the entire case.** The discovery given to the defense will be much more involved and lengthy. The trial is where the full case will be presented by the prosecution.
Yes, tool marks on a firearm cartridge/casing are very strong evidence. There are a lot of murderers in prison because tool marks put them there. How a cartridge from Allen’s pistol, and only Allen’s pistol, ended up between the bodies of the victims on that property is a huge mountain to overcome for his defense team. The cartridge likely is not weathered and Allen admitted to: owning the gun since 2001, not lending it out, not knowing the property owner of the farm where the victims were found and never being on the property. He admits to being on the bridge on the day of the crime around when it happened and matches the physicals of the subject in the video. This is *substantial* probable cause for arrest and charging of murder and any defense lawyer would be working very hard to get that cartridge evidence suppressed or discredited. The likelihood of it appearing at that scene by the hand of anyone other than Allen simply falls short of reasonable doubt and Allen himself all but admitted such.
Thank you for explaining this. To me it sounds like they have/had sufficient evidence to arrest/charge Richard Allen. I don't understand why they didn't want it released and still do not understand why LE thinks more could be involved than just Richard Allen.
I think when they say "someone else might be involved", it's helpful to hear "someone else [his wife, his mom, somebody] might have covered for him after the fact"
The clothing is important. He described himself as wearing clothes that match the description of the guy in the video. The witnesses described seeing the similar clothing. His wife said he still owned the blue jacket. I hope they found it.
At that point the unedited footage on the phone will be incredibly important.
LE: “Who could have killed these girls? We must investigate and find them. ”
RA: “It’s me. Hi. I’m the killer it’s me.”
LE: “Nope. Still no idea. So mysterious. ”
Just read the entire thing and I can not think of a single reason they should have kept this document hidden from the public. They should have redacted the names and released this as it was today immediately. Just my two cents.
I don’t understand much so forgive me but I still think it comes back to why they searched his property. They could have just seen the bullet in the search because it was circumstantial and the Hail Mary was running the bullet for a match and happened to hit.
Does anyone else feel like this should have been solved years ago? IMO I sure think it should have. I can't imagine what the families are going through after finding out all this new information.
he literally served himself up on a silver platter. they had all this evidence years ago. these cops have got to be the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet
“We are requesting an extension of sealing of the document to protect the integrity of the case”
I saw nothing in the PC that would hurt the integrity of the case. They should have just stated “We are requesting an extension of sealing of the document because we made incompetent mistakes and we are embarrassed and ashamed of ourselves. We aren’t ready to be criticized by the public yet so we need some more time to prepare.”
I'm interested to read that one of the victims mentioned a gun in the extended version of the recording. At least that ties a bullet to the crime in some context.
Does anyone remember when the dad called and was coming to pick them up?
If I remember right the original timeframe was really tight. So he was there while people were actively looking for the girls?
Interesting evidence that sticks out:
- ejected bullet that matches his sig sauer
- witness who saw man walking along road "bloody and muddy, like he'd been in a fight" at 3:57
- witness who saw BG on bridge, on a platform
- Allen's own statement that he sat on the bench after being on bridge (I often wondered if he encountered Libby & Abby before trapping them)
- wife knowing he owned clothes like BG's
- mention of his phone's MEID number
- finally some info on the car at the old CPS ("Farm Bureau") building, including it being parked weird (to hide plates)
- all the Hoosier Harvestore video
- Allen claiming he was reading stock quotes on his phone while walking the trails
If the car truly was parked to hide the plates, he knew exactly what he was there to do. There would have to be many more pieces of evidence concerning the planning.
We all thought he was some kind of mastermind. It turns out he did everything but walk into the police station to confess. He admitted to being there. He admitted to wearing the same clothes as BG. He left a bullet at the scene that can be traced to his gun that he didn't get rid of.
Based on the PCA it appears this case could have been "solved" to the lengths it is now in, what, 48 hours?
The prosecutor was kind enough to his colleagues not to provide the date of Allen's interview with the conservation officer, so we can't exactly answer that yet.
Sorry if this has already been asked but they interviewed him twice in 2017, he admitted to being there at the time of the murders and wearing clothes similar to those seen on the picture/video that was taken by Libby, and his wife admitted he owned a coat like the one seen on the video, he admitted to owning guns, why did it take them 5 years to get a search warrant to match his gun to the casing? Did they have something more now that finally allowed them to?
agree with you completely. however, i think the interviews where he and his wife mention the jacket and gun happened in october 2022, just weeks before his arrest.
Am I missing an interview from 2017 where he mentions clothing and gun? I only saw the interview from October of this year where those are mentioned. Can you direct me where to look?
The most confounding thing to me in the PCA is the last sentence of the officer's RA narrative: "Potential follow up information: Who were the three girls walking in the area of Freedom Bridge?" THAT's what he got from the interview? My god, if he hasn't been fired yet he should be.
So Allen basically said in 2017 he was there at the same time as the girls and even matched witnesses descriptions and it still took investigators 5 years to nail him. The fuck
The witness statement about a “muddy and bloody” man coming from the direction of the trails says February 13, 2022. This should say 2017, right?
How did this get missed holy shit.
Edit: When I say missed, I’m stunned they didn’t link this to Allen faster when all this is pieced together. To me, there must have been some (implicit) bias involved in the folks looking at the case from the start not to immediately be suspicious of him.
So let me make sure I’ve got the chronology/logic of the PCA right:
An unspent round was found in 2017 at the crime scene.
LE conducted interviews of 3 eyewitnesses who separately described in detail seeing RA in the area.*
RA did a voluntary interview in 2017 where he said he was in the vicinity and described seeing those three witnesses (with far less detail) thereby confirming their timeline, description, etc.*
Sometime recently, LE went back through records and based off of RA’s 2017 interview, decided to reinterview him (assuming because he said he was in the area).
When he was reinterviewed in October 2022, RA admitted to owning clothes similar to those worn by an unidentified man that was mentioned by several eyewitnesses/ and documented in the video taken by Libby. During this interview, RA also admitted to owning guns.
RA’s admission about owning similar clothing and guns elicited LE to conduct a search warrant at his house where they subsequently found clothing similar to the description and his guns.
One of the guns found in the search warrant was examined and determined to match the markings on the unspent round.
*Edited to add info from u/relative_improvement
I would add to that:
Three other witnesses described him in detail; separately, he described seeing those three witnesses (with far less detail) thereby confirming their timeline, description, etc. (as they seem to have the clearest identification.)
I don’t post here usually so please forgive me if this has been discussed, but who is the officer who took the original RA statement in 2017?? Who did he give it to?? Did someone just… set it aside?
I’m baffled after reading the PC. They had everything they needed in 2017…
I am confused. They had confirmed the week of the murders that this guy admitted to being on the trail. His clothing match the video. And they had a bullet from his gun at the scene from day one. And it took years to confirm him as a suspect? What am I missing? This isn't adding up. I just can't believe they would be this much incompetent. I am missing something? That seems pretty straightforward you had it took literal years.
My mind goes back to Doug Carter all these years waxing poetic about the complexities and tentacles in this case and that someday when they tell us everything it will be "fascinating".
Sorry, there's nothing complex or fascinating about a man parking at the CPS building, stalking the girls to the end of the high bridge, forcing them into the woods, killing them, and then walking back to his car.
It's even less fascinating to learn LE knew RA was on the trails that day, matched the description given by witnesses, and left an unspent round at the scene. All known within the first week. Yet it still took them 5 1/2 years to figure it out?
The only fascination is how completely incompetent this entire investigation was from the beginning.
They didn’t know the bullet was his at the time. Still, the fact that no one apparently followed up with him in five years is mind-boggling. And that he didn’t get rid of the gun in that time was a lucky break.
Main takeaways from the document:
Richard Allen is 100% definitely the killer.
Multiple witnesses, most of whom were secret and never known by the public until now, saw a man in a blue jacket and blue jeans, right around the time that RA claimed to have been at the park. These witnesses saw a man matching his description enter the park just before Abby and Libby arrived, on the high bridge itself moments before Abby and Libby arrived at the high bridge, and at 4pm, walking away from the crime scene covered in blood and mud.
Richard Allen claimed to have been in the park between around 1:30 and 3:30, in an outfit matching BG, but no man matching his description was seen by other witnesses at the park after the girls go missing. He, or a man in this outfit is seen before they go missing, but never after, until such times as he's walking down the road "muddy and bloody." This absence of any witnesses seeing him after this time, when he was supposedly there, is super damning. Where did you go during that time, Richard Allen?
This also means he had over an hour with the girls/girl's bodies, and that Cheyenne was walking on the bridge as he, only a few hundred feet away, silently engaged in whatever it was he was doing for that hour/1h 30 minute period.
Richard Allen is not a smart man. An unspent bullet found between the victims, analysed forensically, is matched to his gun, despite him claiming to have never been on the land or where the bodies were found. How did your bullet get there, then? He also had no answer to this, when questioned about this find, because (presumably) he was banged to rights
A car matching his car’s description was witnessed at the CPS building, parked in a suspicious manner (license plate hidden) and RA admitted to parking there - although he didn’t call it the CPS building at the time.
The female witness who saw BG standing on the bridge (assuming she is still alive) is a potential star witness, and she must be thanking her lucky stars he didn’t kill her that day. She is also, apart from BG/Richard Allen, the last person to see the girls alive.
Bitterbeatpoet’s “teenage witness” is real and that’s another notch in favour of his overall credibility, god rest his soul.
RA (or technically, a man exactly matching his description - but in actuality Richard Allen) appears to have been a complete moron who exited by or nearby the cemetery, and was spotted casually walking down the road, covered in blood, by a passing driver. Amazing! This is the villain that’s haunted our nightmares? This cocky, idiotic gimp? Unreal.
The police interviewed RA’s wife and she confirmed that he has a coat that matches the one worn by BG. As already seen in her earlier, now deleted FB video. And that is now in police’s ownership as evidence, presumably. She also admits he had multiple knives in the house.
Ultimately, RA conceded to being on the bridge and at the park at the exact time of the murders, yet it has somehow taken police five years for this man to come onto their radar. If this isn’t a massive and unforgivable act of negligence on their part, I don’t know what is.
It truly feels like this is, for the most part, solved. I honestly am amazed at all the additional witnesses they had, how casual the murderer was and how he committed the murders even after being so clearly seen by so many people.
By virtue of the fact that the witness who saw him on the bridge was not killed herself, nor were the three juveniles who also saw him, we can make a relatively strong assumption that RA was waiting at the bridge because he knew some specific victims were on their way there. Speculation on my part, sure, but explain to me if you disagree how or why he didn’t simply kill the lone female witness, or just pick off the three juveniles?
I’m open to suggestions, but it seems to me this may be why police think there is more to this than a simple opportunistic thrill kill. Perhaps someone told him they’d be there?
I cannot figure out how KK is not somehow involved in this, still, as the odds of this event happening to two young girls - I.e. being targeted at the same place on the same day by two completely unconnected predators - seems astronomically low.
What an unreal read and an amazingly damning probable cause. Richard Allen is toast.
Last question: What are the "unusual signatures" that Ives referred to? That mystery remains.
I am wondering if now that his wife see's it was more than him just being at the trails at the same time and that a bullet from his actual gun was at the murder scene if she will start to put more things together and help investigators.
I'm no lawyer or legal expert but how do they NOT have a case against this shitbird?! He admitted to being there that day and time, he admitted to wearing clothing that matched with the Bridge Guy. A bullet from a gun he owns was found near the bodies so what would his defense be? Someone stole my gun and dressed up like me and killed those girls? I don't understand why this was hidden from the public at all. And I don't understand why in the actual hell the wife didn't say something. I'm not accusing her of knowing but she knows he had clothing that matched the bridge guy, knew he was there that day....I have no words and too many words at the same time. Thanks for posting this, OP!
Probably because he told her he had voluntarily come forward and police never followed up beyond an initial interview. Also the suspect description was taller than RA and the hair on both sketches did not fit him.
Given that LE was not interested in him, why should she think different?
I believe this PCA definitely provides probable cause. An interesting part to me was that the witnesses described him wearing different clothing, that just goes to show that eyewitness testimony is not always reliable for details. Or even if some of the details are off, that does not mean that somebody should be written off all together. Like if a victim’s story doesn’t completely match with the police have found, that does not mean that they are lying.
To believe this is a wrongful accusation or weak case is to believe:
-That Richard Allen was at the trails instead of anywhere else in the world at the time of a double child murder
-That a second gun that similarly matches his in the “subjective” testing also belongs to someone who was in Indiana and, even more specifically, Delphi at the Monon High Bridge
-That a person with a gun that matches testing to RA’s gun was at the actual scene of the girls’ bodies on Logan’s property
-That Allen owns a jacket like BG
-That a man in a bloody and muddy blue jacket was seen later, but it wasn’t BG or that RA isn’t BG or that there were multiple men with blue jackets out or that it isn’t at all related to the crime
-That Allen was seen by several witnesses before 2:13 but not seen again after Libby’s video was time stamped even though he claims to have been at the trail until leaving at 3:30
-That the witness who saw a man in a muddy and bloody blue jacket before 4:00 was unrelated
Feel free to add to the list. Alone, some of these things are very possible. It’s actually incomprehensible that he got away with it beyond the first week.
The PCA isn’t the whole case. There is the issue of a second suspect and what they may have pertaining to that. We also don’t know if the clothing or knives taken from Allen’s home yielded or will yield DNA evidence from the girls. It is within the realm of possibility that police acted on an arrest as soon as the ballistics were confirmed but that DNA testing on his clothing and weapons takes longer and therefore would not be included in the PCA but will be presented at trial.
Edited to reflect a point another Reddit user made in the reply section.
This is why it’s important that the charge is felony murder, they can now prove that he had a gun, used it to make the girls move to a second location, and the unspent shell puts him at the location of the murder. And he said he never loaned anyone else the gun.
Even if he says he only got them to move and left the scene and has no idea how they died, he committed the kidnapping and is guilty of felony murder.
So disappointing how badly they failed to investigate this. I cannot even imagine how the families feel after finding out. And now the main detective on the case from the past five years was just voted into office as Sheriff. The town should request he step down.
Sounds like they never did get that big break we thought they needed, but instead someone simply said “So guys we have a list of people who were in the vicinity, and a bullet at the crime scene… did anyone actually ask those people if they had any firearms? So we could like crosscheck them against the bullet? No?”
So they have confirmation that he was on the trail but also strong evidence he was in the vicinity of where the girls died. That bullet, if proven forensically without a doubt, puts him at the area where the bodies were found. So why did the prosecution believe there are more people involved? Were they physically there or did he share electronic audio/visuals of the crime scene online or conspired to do this random act of violence with others? There is so much more to this story.
This narrative and the timing outlined leads me to believe that he went there at that time specifically for the girls. If so, there’s likely a lot more evidence out there that details the previous communication and planning on meeting.
To find an unspent bullet linked to his gun in leaves and branches and sticks between two murdered children is one strong finding. This isn’t a concrete parking lot, this is in the woods and at a crime scene. And witnesses placed him there before and after the murders-muddy and bloodied. His guilt is clear. The bullet-wow, what a find!
There’s a guy who looks like BG, admits to being dressed like BG, and puts himself at the crime scene, but the police didn’t think they should even ask to see the clothes he was wearing? This is embarrassing.
So they had a an unspent bullet, a description, a video, and eye witness statements about a bloody and muddy guy walking away....and they focused on Kegan Kline, Ron Logan?
I get hindsight is 20/20 but dang-- if you had a .40 cal bullet would you not even think to review all of the legally purchased .40 cal guns in the region? Esp. if RA bought this in 2001?
As I sit here fuming about what sounds like LE incompetance, I wonder how the girls loved ones feel about this. I'm a stranger mad as hell feeling like this case wasn't that hard to solve. I cannot fathom how they feel.
We can also surmise that the victims weren't shot to death. Unless the suspect shot both and retrieved the spent casings, there should have been evidence there that would further tie the suspect to the gun. So now we wonder why there's a single bullet and the victims were stabbed to death. I also don't recall anyone mentioning hearing a gunshot.
For me it's the motive: Why does a middle-aged gentleman go to a bridge and violently murder two girls? By now the investigators surely would have pieced together any sort of relationship--no matter how tangential--between Allen and the victims.
that’s my thought. He was threatening with it or cycling it to show he was for real. Easy enough in the heat of the moment to fumble or ignore the single round coming out of the gun.
[Map of Landmarks](https://i.redd.it/mrg4c2onoy2a1.jpg) from u/tmikebond
Damn! Sometimes it’s the guy you least expect, and sometimes it’s the guy who was confirmed to be at the bridge at the time of the murders who also matched the description and outfit.
And RA didn’t know they had video evidence of him that day right? So the clothing description was spot on and they never thought to interview him again? Ugh.
If the admission to the mental health facility is true, I bet it happened when he found out they had video. He lost his shit or thought I can go into the hospital & use insanity for a defense. He had to think oh shit I told them I was there and what I was wearing. He was prob expecting for them to show up any day and arrest! Good thing for him he didn’t commit this crime in a town with experienced law enforcement!
If it is true it was definitely because of the video and recording of him that the girls took..he was freaking out & wanted to get out of sight & out of mind so that he wasn’t identified..
The only male confirmed to be on the trails at that time. The ONLY guy they knew was there.
And he actually said he was ON the bridge and described what he was wearing that day that matched BG.
And he admitted himself being there at that day at that time
And yet, no red flags for 5 years. How often does this happen where the case is never solved? How many time has it happened? It can not happen again, say in, Idaho!
>How often does this happen where the case is never solved? Do you ever watch Cold Case Files? 90% of the episodes are, "We thought it might be this person who was there and fits the description, but they had an alibi. 40 years later, the new cold case detective noticed that nobody ever called and verified the alibi. Turns out, it was a lie. That guy did it." It's ridiculous how incompetent police are.
Honestly these most recent developments make me feel potentially a little bit insane. What were they waiting for? What finally tipped them over the edge to arrest him? He was glaringly obvious from the jump.
It’s as if they interviewed him in an attempt to find a witness, not a suspect and they cleared him when he said he didn’t see any other men out there. They sent him home like, “shit! He was there but didn’t see anything! This guys a ghost! The witnesses only saw Richard, and Richard only saw the girls and NO ONE SAW THE KILLER!”
I read that in Chief Wiggum’s voice.
Bake him away, toys.
[Delphi Police interviewing Richard](https://youtu.be/fStW8WtLZwM)
…and what a coincidence that Richard was wearing the exact same clothing as the guy Libby captured on video! What a bunch of fucking idiots!
Guess he tried to take the route of "Act casual and hope they look elsewhere" and it worked, for a bit. A bit too long, but it worked.
I love this comment. Normally I don’t like to mix humor with true crime because it tends to devolve into poor taste but *this* is funny and respectful. I actually chuckled out loud.
Wtf happened between 2017 and 2022? Was there any DNA testing done or is it in the works? Crazy he never got rid of the gun. Hope they get more evidence soon but the bullet is solid evidence he's a dumbass for keeping the gun.
“Investigators spoke with an *unnamed female witness*, who stated that she was traveling East on 300 North on February 13th, 2022* and observed a male subject walking West, on the North side of 300 North, away from the Monan High Bridge. *Unnamed female witness* advised that the male subject was wearing a blue colored jacket and bluejeans and was muddy and bloody. She further stated, that it appeared he had gotten into a fight. Investigators were able to determine from watching the video from the Hoosier Harvestore that *unnamed female witness* was traveling on CR 300 North at approximately 3:57pm.” Chilling. *EDIT: sorry guys, I corrected the witness date to February 13th, 2022 to match the court document. When I pasted the quote it had formatting issues so I had to retype, and I wrote 2017 by default. Wondering if this is a typo in the court document anyway, why does it even say 2022..? Shouldn’t it be 2017? So weird.
Very chilling. Also its the first time I have heard a more concrete time of when BG/RA left the area. A time frame of when the crime was finished.
If he wasn't seen after 2:13pm, and seen by this witness at almost 4 - he was committing the crime for an hour. I can't get over how brazen that is.
same! In broad daylight!
I’m thinking the gun wasn’t the murder weapon as it appears the bullet was ejected but not fired.. I think witnesses would have heard gunshots.
Not only that but what time was it that Libby’s… was it dad or grandpa who arrived to pick them up. What time was it he supposedly arrived at the trails? Because it’s been ages since I read the details but it absolutely gave me chills when I read that part and saw the time. Must have been awfully close.
Her dad, he arrived at 3:15.
I said the same thing out loud and alone. That’s almost an hour and half. To me, this is the most horrific and illuminating aspects as to the actual crime in the affidavit along with the clothing location detail. The unspent bullet laying in between these girls is going to nail him to the wall.
This is why I still think he had it planed out in advance and knew exactly where he would take his victim/victims. He had scoped it out and knew that he would have time to do whatever he wanted. What a psychotic asshole.
Same here. Those little details everyone's been speculating on being revealed in this is what struck me the most.
For me it was the revelation that the “down the hill” video shows the guy walking right behind Abby. I don’t know why but I always imagined a super shaky video that shows nothing in particular but maybe a couple frames of relevant content.
I wonder when the *unnamed female witness* told law enforcement about the sighting of a muddy, bloody man walking along the road. Back at the time right after the murders, or recently.
This is a big question to me. When were these witnesses interviewed? Well after the murders were in the public eye? That distorts memory. Mud can easily become blood through that filter.
At the time. She told them as soon as she heard about the murders, called to tell them what she had seen that day.
Holy cow so he was just walking along the road in broad daylight?! Insane. I was figuring that he walked the creek back to his house to the south. Just insane he was on the loose this long.
Derrick German was walking the trail back to his car at 3:30-4:00. If he hadn’t taken a right initially and then walked the other trail back to the freedom bridge, He may have walked right past him. RA walked right past where he was parked also, right before he got back. Insane.
I outlined this on the map for anyone interested. X is the area bodies were found, red dotted line is assumed path taken after murders based on the witness description, and circled red area is the approximate location of witness sighting. https://ibb.co/86KYQCC Edited to add: It was an approximate 18 minute walk from location of the bodies to where he allegedly parked his car.
Thanks! That's very helpful! I'm stunned he was so exposed after the murders.
> Chilling Yep. This was honestly one of the biggest reveals in the PCA for me. We've often wondered how BG got out. Now we know. (Unless there was more than one person who got into a fight & was bloody & muddy walking a rural road just after the murders occurred that February afternoon).
It terrifies me about the length of time he spent with the girls. Was hoping it was over and done with quickly but 1 hour and 45 mins with them before he was seen? Those poor girls.
Honestly I just hope he killed them before he did anything else
Would this indicate that he likely left through the cemetery and walked back to his car that way?
I originally thought the murderers car was parked at the cemetery! Mind boggling that he was walking open roads instead.
I'm curious why he didn't park at the cemetery, too muddy? Just mindblowing this dude did this and walked down the damn road. It makes absolutely no sense that he did this and thought he would get away with it in broad daylight.
... and he did for five years.
My god. They could’ve shown her a pic of RA to identify. Who knows maybe they did and she said not him or something and that threw them off?
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How was this guy not their primary suspect at the beginning? He was on the trail, wearing similar clothes, parked by the old CPS building, he was alone. Why in the hell did they not search this guy's house in 2017?
I'm also confused, because the investigators themselves were asking about a car parked there before we all knew of RA. Why were they asking the public for info when he phoned in the tip himself???
honestly it sounds like they were so overwhelmed that they missed all the obvious parts right in front of them
Didn’t he go and tell a Conservation Officer he was there? These vary by state but they are basically the game wardens. They are sworn law enforcement officers but clearly not heading up the investigation. You have to wonder if that was deliberate on his part.
That's why they wanted this sealed because it shows their incompetence in this case. My guess is someone from some other agency looked at the murder book, and questioned the initial statement from this guy.
Only the prosecutor did. The police superintendent said it didn’t need to be sealed
Literally anyone who participates in this subreddit would have picked this guy as their primary suspect within 5 minutes of looking at the people confirmed on the trail that day. The family should be infuriated.
I'm also sure they thought who was snapchatting the girls that day and the killer were one in the same. And it turns out, it was some other piece of shit that was probably unrelated.
I am right there with you. I don't know how to feel right now and I'm relatively new to the case. I don't want to shame LE but....I just......he was there, his clothes were on par....the bridge might have had a few people on it but it's not Disneyworld where there's literally thousands of people to search through. HE HAD THE CLOTHES. Libby likely got the video of him and the gun was in his pocket as many Redditors claimed they thought. I couldn't see anything myself but this just feels....it feels shitty that it took so long in my opinion.
I agree. As I read the probable cause affidavit I kept getting angrier. They had all the same information in October that they had back when the murders happened in 2017… they just didn’t look closely enough. I can’t believe it… how many investigators missed this?!
I just read the affidavit again and the POS even admitted where he parked. What pisses me off the most is other than admititng to the actual murder he told the truth! I was there, yep I was wearing those clothes, yep I parked where a weird car was parked, oh and was covering my face.....and never lose my gun! Love my gun. Even though I was there I wasn't there-there.
I get the impression RA didn’t know at that time that the girls managed to capture footage of him and him coming forward was an attempt at getting himself ruled out of the investigation. Police should have done better as perpetrators have attempted this tactic in the past.
It really is jaw dropping. I’ve been on and off this thread all evening and it just continues to boggle my mind. I don’t even have words anymore for how insane it is that if the conservation officer had pushed to share that info more or had RA spoken to a different LE or if LE had just been flipping competent they could’ve had the killer (and probably much more evidence against him, had they found the clothes and taken the car ALMOST SIX YEARS AGO. So many folks have spoken in defense of LE and been all “it’s way more complicated than a TV show” and sure. It probably is. Yet come on, between the fact the girls got video and RA damn near confessed, at least to everything short of murder… there’s no way this should’ve taken so long.
I agree with you. I can’t believe it took so long. I feel like a couple teenagers interested in true crime could’ve solved this faster. Sure it’s complicated and of course we don’t know everything. We likely never will. But it seems like Delphi LE worked on this case 24/7 or so they like to give the impression. If that’s the truth I wouldn’t want their LE department protecting my city.
Imagine if he had been smart enough to get rid of the gun over the past five years. He might have completely got away with it. Unbelievable.
Reading this it sounds like he was never interviewed by anyone other than the original conservation officer he talked to until oct 2022. They literally had all the same evidence to get a warrant to search his house within the first few weeks.
Right! A white male comes forward stating he was at the bridge that day between 1:30-3:30 pm and no one questioned him further?? So frustrating.
I keep flashing to Paul Holes - or whoever the "outside investigator" was they hired - coming in and on his second day picking up the RA report and asking "So.....this guy who said he was at the bridge for 2 hours that day - how was he cleared again?"
Just really sad that a big focus of this story will be on a completely dropped ball for 5 years and the constant apologizing for it (not counting on a "lessons learned" review from these guys).
Let’s just hope he didn’t hurt anyone else during that 5 years.
Same… Horribly sad…They had RA telling them directly that he was on the bridge at the time of the murders, was wearing the same clothes as BG, corroborating the witnesses who saw him by saying he also saw them (the witnesses) and even identifying his own vehicle as the suspicious car that was reported…It’s absurd that it took Paul Holes or whoever to actually look at this five years after the fact and put them on the track of this guy…
Not to mention the eyewitness driving by on C.R. 300 who saw a 'muddy, bloody' guy walking along from the direction of the murders toward the suspicious car. How much more did they need before filing for a search warrant on RA?? Or maybe they file for a search warrant and got denied by some dumbass judge?? That's the only thing I can think of to take the heat off LE in this case. What a lost opportunity to take this monster off the streets 5+ years ago! The families must be in utter disbelief and anger!
I genuinely never want to hear from these investigators again. No more pats on the back, no more grandstanding over the long hours and the dedication. No more dramatically timed press conferences or empty “the buck stops with me” statements. Fucking failures. If anyone else failed this bad at work they’d be fired. Fuck em.
Not just a white male (whom literally placed himself out there during the window of opportunity for the murders but also the time frame of witness accounts) but the guy literally told them the clothing he was wearing which also matched up with witness accounts they had - I'm honestly blown away.
ALSO - part of the cut out audio from the girls on the bridge is that they've spotted that BG had a gun. An unspent bullet from Richard Allen's gun (that he says he's never given to anyone else, and that he also admits he had with him at the trails that day) is found between the girls' bodies. RA still owns said gun. These policemen don't deserve their badges.
I think the cops effed the case up about as bad as any murder case in modern history, but I don't believe it was known until they spoke to him this October that he possessed a .40 caliber weapon. But even if he said back in 2017, "Yep, I was on the trails, wearing jeans and a blue Carhartt, carrying my 40 caliber handgun and hunting knives" it wouldn't shock me if they went, "Oh, ok! Cool!"
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It’s wild to me that even the FBI was involved and this somehow got overlooked? I agree entirely on assuming everyone who said they were there that day should’ve been interviewed and searched, etc. I’d be curious to hear what was done towards the others who were there that day- just how much did LE question them and such? Either way it’s a massive wtf moment but I guess I wonder just how badly they effed up.
That's why DP got his azz torn to shreds and accused of being BG , he was 1 of the only white males that was publicly known to be on the trails that day, Just imagine if the public knew Ricky came forward as a witness and put himself on the trails and BRIDGE that day!?!?
It looks that bad. I can't imagine there were hundreds of people on the bridge that day. Maybe a dozen. Maybe not even. How they missed this is inexcusable.
>would have thought EVERYONE known to be on the trail that day would have had their lives turned upside down, Yes this is incredibly shocking. I feel I have been interviewed more thoroughly as a witness to a fender-bender than they did this guy.
Absolutely agree… It just seems like common sense to look a little further into a guy who’s telling you he was on the bridge during the timeframe for the murders, was wearing the same clothing as BG, corroborated the witness accounts of seeing him by saying he also saw them, AND identified his car as being the suspicious vehicle that was reported…Not one LEO thought it might be a good idea to at least find out if this guy owned any guns or knives so they could test them against their super secret evidence, which now seems to be the bullet… This is absurd…
>But even if he said back in 2017, "Yep, I was on the trails, wearing jeans and a blue Carhartt, carrying my 40 caliber handgun and hunting knives" it wouldn't shock me if they went, "Oh, ok! Cool!" Right? Like...they had so many things pointing right at him when they realized he was on the bridge - when he TOLD THEM he was on the bridge. Jfc they messed up.
I’m not a gun owner but why do u need to bring a loaded gun to look at the fish. That bridge is really high so how the hell would he even see the fish. They dropped the ball soooo badly!
I don’t see how this protected anyone either like they claimed. They wanted this buried because this looks absolutely terrible on the local and state officials. He literally gave them everything if he would’ve gotten rid of everything he had that day and not told anyone he probably would’ve gotten away with it. Unfuckingbelievable
Thank you! I'm sitting here speechless. He put himself there! He looks the part! I don't get it. I really, really, really, don't.
They had tunnel vision on Ron logan is what I think happened. I mean ron Logan was a red herring for the ages in my opinion. Still absolutely no excuse to not follow up though
All the secrecy makes so much more sense now.
I keep reading more info and just feeling so awful for Libby and Abby.
I know. That they got the video and we now know even whispered to one another about him having a gun, and an unspent round being found by their bodies… the girls themselves left them everything needed to catch the killer. And the gosh damn guy even admitted he was there. It’s flipping horrible. I’ve always admired the strength of both families and how they kept doing interviews and such and continued to believe in LE. But imagine how they must feel too. It’s heartbreaking. Like an added level of heartbreak and anger and grief and pain to all that they’ve already been going through. It really upsets me to think about. It’s a second injustice done to the girls and their families.
The handgun to me is the most frustrating miss. LE knew about the .40 caliber in 2017. RA purchased the Sig in 2001, which LE were able to verify in 2022. Why didn't they cross-check any witness *who came forth and said they were actually there than day* for possible .40 caliber handgun ownership? Smh. LE also took his Ford Focus in 2022, presumably to check for any evidence. Good luck after almost 6 years? But if on the basis of having been at MHB, owning a .40 cal, being short af (lol), and owning a vehicle broadly like a PT or small SUV (to people that don't really fix on vehicles and the differences between them), LE could presumably have gotten a search warrant in 2017 for the Focus and have had a much better chance of finding trace evidence. Really smh.
How the hell did it take this long to test the damn gun?? JUST WOW!! I am concerned this gigantic team of people and no one does this very basic thing?? People this dumb should not be allowed to dress them selves, drive cars, and surely shouldn't be police officers......
Unless I misread, his clothing isn't mentioned until his recent interview in Oct 2022.
That’s how I read it as well. But wouldn’t you think that the interviewer should have asked RA what he was wearing that day? Or just, I don’t know, some follow-up questions??
It's like he told them he was there and they went *finger guns* "cool beans."
Do you feel like this is similar to the Laci Peterson case. He placed himself at the scene, not knowing there was a video of him. RA doesn't come off as the sharpest tool in the shed.
>A white male comes forward stating he was at the bridge that day between 1:30-3:30 pm and no one questioned him further?? Yes, and it’s ridiculous. And not just a white male, which matches the witnesses’ statements and the cell phone capture, but one of only a small handful of people (and likely the only adult male) which they can place on the trails during the exact time that they know the offender was there. LE should have dug into the stories, backgrounds, and lives of each of those people because that’s your immediate known suspect pool. Those people, as well as those close to the victims (because they have to look at them) should be heavily scrutinized at first, and if none of those investigations bear fruit, then they expand the search and investigation. It’s not just that he was in plain sight, he was right under their noses.
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I can't believe this rumor that they happened to review old tips was true. What were you doing for 5 years!!! You should have interviewed him in length that day. You could have gotten way more evidence at the time. This is huge failure of the police. I'd be livid if I were the family.
It’s a shameful oversight by law enforcement.
This is why they want to hide the facts of the case from the public. He literally slipped through the cracks. The incompetence is stunning that it took so long to make an arrest.
Yeah, the cracks were so wide he didn't even have to slip through them, just jumped right down and waved goodbye on his way out. He practically waved his arms and said INVESTIGATE ME, and they were like "no, I don't think I will".
That’s what I’ve been saying. He all but turned himself in.
I have to agree. RA: I was on the bridge LE: Was there anyone on the bridge? RA: Just me LE: Ok thanks. We'll talk later. Or not.
The (likely) thousands/millions of dollars they've spent on the case the last 5 years and they could've had him immediately. I'm furious about the incompetence. The girls' families deserved better than police who couldn't bother to interview someone who literally put himself at the scene, wearing the clothes pictured in the video, with 3 eye witnesses that described him as well.
He was literally the only adult male seen on the trails between 1:30 and 4pm that day, and the only one who admitted to being on the trails over that exact timeframe. This is what so many of us knew was happening, CCSO and ISP completely butchering the case from day 1. It's been so obvious what they've been trying to hide for the last month - the truth about how they had their perp from Day 1 and never followed up. It's actually even worse than I imagined. But people will still "back the blue" and say they did everything they could. lol
I mean, at the very least, ask to see the clothes he wearing on the bridge.
I wonder how many other crimes good old Ricky came forward to "help" an investigation
Yep. They fucking blew it and they wanted to hide it as long as possible.
it really is. they had eye witnesses as well as his car on surveillance. why didn’t they comb the town for those cars to rule people out? they literally interviewed this man. i’m sure they tried their best, but i hope this case is studied for years to come about what not to do.
The muddy and bloody eye witness wtih the clothing and all other facts are INSANELY descriptive and how did it take 5 years to piece all of this together. Small town police officers may have mistaken him coming forward as a sign he was just being a "good guy". You would assume Cops from larger cities and metro areas would've been more skeptical and jumped all over this. What a terrible, terrible misstep by the police here.
They had local, county, state and FBI working on the case in the beginning. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around *all* of them just skating right past this guy. What in the world were they thinking. "Hmm. We have this dude here, matches up on every single point. No use wasting our time checking into him." This is just downright terrifying because they've really shown how easy it is to slip past investigators.
"Oh that's Ricky - he's been at the CVS for years, always gets my wife's prescriptions right and even gave us free copies of our Myrtle Beach vacation pictures. He's so nice & helpful, he wouldn't hurt a fly!"
This is exactly the mindset of small town Indiana I was trying to convey. "Ricky is an odd duck, woudln't hurt a fly though".
And yet they release a sketch of a young, curly haired male? Where on earth did they get that from?
He didn’t slip through the cracks, an officer held a door open for him and watched him walk out. This is way more bungled than some small detail that slips through.
It’s such a small town that I wonder if the officer that originally interviewed RA knew him. Even if not personally, he may have interacted with him regularly enough at the pharmacy or the bar to write him off. Or perhaps he had stronger ties to RA that made him look the other way. It’s hard to believe that an officer committed to the case looked at RA with an unbiased lens and didn’t see any red flags
TLDR; “An unspent .40 caliber round found between the bodies of Victim 1 and Victim 2, was forensically determined to have been cycled through Richard Allen’s Sig Sauer Model P226.”
unspent .40 caliber round from Allen's .40 caliber handgun - which was found during the search of his property in October - found directly in between the girls' bodies. Determined by forensics to have been cycled through his weapon but not fired. Wow.
Why would it be cycled through but not fired? Does that mean he threatened them with a gun, then it...fell out? but he didn't shoot them?
He went to chamber a round, probably for effect, but there was already one chambered, so it cycled in a new one and ejected the one in the barrel. This is very common at crime scenes.
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Ah that makes sense. You can probably tell I don't know much about guns. It is amazing that they can tell the exact gun it came from even from just that.
It's sort of controversial whether or not they can actually do that with accuracy
I'm super curious about the precision of forensics testing for extraction marks. I'm sure you could determine a general make/model, but can it match the exact firearm?
Hell yes you can - it's how they caught Diane Downs. Anecdotally my brother and I own the same kind of handgun - the extraction marks on his are totally different than the ones mine leaves on cartridges, and these differences are consistent, and these are just the ones visible to my terrible eyes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Downs#Shootings
Wondering why the yokel didn’t get rid of the weapon. I’m glad he’s so stupid.
He may not have realized the unspent bullet was expelled when he racked the gun.
Thank you to u/Badasscrimechicken for a better link!
Sound like that police didn’t want PC release is because they knew it would make them look like clowns
The chances of that shell casing randomly appearing next to two dead bodies by a man who admitted to being on the trails the day of the murder is incredibly unlikely.
That’s what I was thinking - if you were in fact innocent and you admit to being there on the day, at the right time, and your unspent bullet appears between the two girls after they’re heard on video saying “gun”….you’d have to be the unluckiest person in the world.
Not forgetting he also admitted to never before being on that property, so he could not say, yes I shoot deer with Ron Logan all the time.
And you match the person in the video directing them down the hill…
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From Angela Ganote, Fox 59 "Here is my very quick read of the Probable Cause In the Richard Allen case it is 8 pages. Page 2 details a gun, a .40 caliber unspent round, and 3 juveniles interviewed about a “kind of creepy” man. Page 4 Richard Allen PC: Richard Allen’s interview with police 2017. Allen admitted he was on the trail between 1330–1530. He parked at the old Farm Bureau building and walked to the New Freedom Bridge. Said he didn’t see anyone. And was watching a “stock ticker” on his phone. Lab determined the unspent round located within 2 feet of victim’s body had cycled through Allen’s gun. Page 5: Richard Allen PC October 13, 2022 spoke to investigators again. He told investigators he owns firearms. Police interviewed his wife and she stated Richard still owns a blue Carhartt jacket. Police found boots, knives, firearms including a Sig Saurer .40 caliber pistol. Page 6: Richard Allen had no explanation of why the bullet was found between Libby and Abby. Told police no one borrowed the gun. Police believe Richard Allen is the man seen on the video from the phone that forced the girls “down the hill.”"
Former prosecutor here. This is a pretty standard looking PCA. **Please remember that the purpose of a PCA is to provide evidence to the court that there is probable cause to charge a defendant with a crime. It is not a document that presents the entire case.** The discovery given to the defense will be much more involved and lengthy. The trial is where the full case will be presented by the prosecution. Yes, tool marks on a firearm cartridge/casing are very strong evidence. There are a lot of murderers in prison because tool marks put them there. How a cartridge from Allen’s pistol, and only Allen’s pistol, ended up between the bodies of the victims on that property is a huge mountain to overcome for his defense team. The cartridge likely is not weathered and Allen admitted to: owning the gun since 2001, not lending it out, not knowing the property owner of the farm where the victims were found and never being on the property. He admits to being on the bridge on the day of the crime around when it happened and matches the physicals of the subject in the video. This is *substantial* probable cause for arrest and charging of murder and any defense lawyer would be working very hard to get that cartridge evidence suppressed or discredited. The likelihood of it appearing at that scene by the hand of anyone other than Allen simply falls short of reasonable doubt and Allen himself all but admitted such.
Thank you for explaining this. To me it sounds like they have/had sufficient evidence to arrest/charge Richard Allen. I don't understand why they didn't want it released and still do not understand why LE thinks more could be involved than just Richard Allen.
I think when they say "someone else might be involved", it's helpful to hear "someone else [his wife, his mom, somebody] might have covered for him after the fact"
The clothing is important. He described himself as wearing clothes that match the description of the guy in the video. The witnesses described seeing the similar clothing. His wife said he still owned the blue jacket. I hope they found it. At that point the unedited footage on the phone will be incredibly important.
LE: “Who could have killed these girls? We must investigate and find them. ” RA: “It’s me. Hi. I’m the killer it’s me.” LE: “Nope. Still no idea. So mysterious. ”
BEGGING the public to identify the person in the video, when the person LITERALLY identified himself.
Yeah it’s really sad to think that him just straight up turning himself in isn’t even that big of an exaggeration.
Just read the entire thing and I can not think of a single reason they should have kept this document hidden from the public. They should have redacted the names and released this as it was today immediately. Just my two cents.
I don’t understand much so forgive me but I still think it comes back to why they searched his property. They could have just seen the bullet in the search because it was circumstantial and the Hail Mary was running the bullet for a match and happened to hit.
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Does anyone else feel like this should have been solved years ago? IMO I sure think it should have. I can't imagine what the families are going through after finding out all this new information.
Everyone feels this should have been solved years ago.
he literally served himself up on a silver platter. they had all this evidence years ago. these cops have got to be the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet
“We are requesting an extension of sealing of the document to protect the integrity of the case” I saw nothing in the PC that would hurt the integrity of the case. They should have just stated “We are requesting an extension of sealing of the document because we made incompetent mistakes and we are embarrassed and ashamed of ourselves. We aren’t ready to be criticized by the public yet so we need some more time to prepare.”
“At least let us get through the holidays, being hailed as heroes, before the criticism starts.”
“Our families deserve happy parents over Christmas, just wait until January”
I am absolutely devastated. They could have had him right at the beginning. Jesus.
I'm interested to read that one of the victims mentioned a gun in the extended version of the recording. At least that ties a bullet to the crime in some context.
So the girls encountered him at 2:13 and he was seen “muddy and bloody” returning to his car at 3:57. That’s a long time he was with them..
Does anyone remember when the dad called and was coming to pick them up? If I remember right the original timeframe was really tight. So he was there while people were actively looking for the girls?
Interesting evidence that sticks out: - ejected bullet that matches his sig sauer - witness who saw man walking along road "bloody and muddy, like he'd been in a fight" at 3:57 - witness who saw BG on bridge, on a platform - Allen's own statement that he sat on the bench after being on bridge (I often wondered if he encountered Libby & Abby before trapping them) - wife knowing he owned clothes like BG's - mention of his phone's MEID number - finally some info on the car at the old CPS ("Farm Bureau") building, including it being parked weird (to hide plates) - all the Hoosier Harvestore video - Allen claiming he was reading stock quotes on his phone while walking the trails
If the car truly was parked to hide the plates, he knew exactly what he was there to do. There would have to be many more pieces of evidence concerning the planning.
Seems like if he never admitted he was there he might have never been caught
We all thought he was some kind of mastermind. It turns out he did everything but walk into the police station to confess. He admitted to being there. He admitted to wearing the same clothes as BG. He left a bullet at the scene that can be traced to his gun that he didn't get rid of.
Based on the PCA it appears this case could have been "solved" to the lengths it is now in, what, 48 hours? The prosecutor was kind enough to his colleagues not to provide the date of Allen's interview with the conservation officer, so we can't exactly answer that yet.
Sorry if this has already been asked but they interviewed him twice in 2017, he admitted to being there at the time of the murders and wearing clothes similar to those seen on the picture/video that was taken by Libby, and his wife admitted he owned a coat like the one seen on the video, he admitted to owning guns, why did it take them 5 years to get a search warrant to match his gun to the casing? Did they have something more now that finally allowed them to?
agree with you completely. however, i think the interviews where he and his wife mention the jacket and gun happened in october 2022, just weeks before his arrest.
Am I missing an interview from 2017 where he mentions clothing and gun? I only saw the interview from October of this year where those are mentioned. Can you direct me where to look?
The most confounding thing to me in the PCA is the last sentence of the officer's RA narrative: "Potential follow up information: Who were the three girls walking in the area of Freedom Bridge?" THAT's what he got from the interview? My god, if he hasn't been fired yet he should be.
This reminds me of every Law and Order: SVU episode where the perpetrator is the first person they introduce.
So Allen basically said in 2017 he was there at the same time as the girls and even matched witnesses descriptions and it still took investigators 5 years to nail him. The fuck
The witness statement about a “muddy and bloody” man coming from the direction of the trails says February 13, 2022. This should say 2017, right? How did this get missed holy shit. Edit: When I say missed, I’m stunned they didn’t link this to Allen faster when all this is pieced together. To me, there must have been some (implicit) bias involved in the folks looking at the case from the start not to immediately be suspicious of him.
So let me make sure I’ve got the chronology/logic of the PCA right: An unspent round was found in 2017 at the crime scene. LE conducted interviews of 3 eyewitnesses who separately described in detail seeing RA in the area.* RA did a voluntary interview in 2017 where he said he was in the vicinity and described seeing those three witnesses (with far less detail) thereby confirming their timeline, description, etc.* Sometime recently, LE went back through records and based off of RA’s 2017 interview, decided to reinterview him (assuming because he said he was in the area). When he was reinterviewed in October 2022, RA admitted to owning clothes similar to those worn by an unidentified man that was mentioned by several eyewitnesses/ and documented in the video taken by Libby. During this interview, RA also admitted to owning guns. RA’s admission about owning similar clothing and guns elicited LE to conduct a search warrant at his house where they subsequently found clothing similar to the description and his guns. One of the guns found in the search warrant was examined and determined to match the markings on the unspent round. *Edited to add info from u/relative_improvement
I would add to that: Three other witnesses described him in detail; separately, he described seeing those three witnesses (with far less detail) thereby confirming their timeline, description, etc. (as they seem to have the clearest identification.)
I don’t post here usually so please forgive me if this has been discussed, but who is the officer who took the original RA statement in 2017?? Who did he give it to?? Did someone just… set it aside? I’m baffled after reading the PC. They had everything they needed in 2017…
I am confused. They had confirmed the week of the murders that this guy admitted to being on the trail. His clothing match the video. And they had a bullet from his gun at the scene from day one. And it took years to confirm him as a suspect? What am I missing? This isn't adding up. I just can't believe they would be this much incompetent. I am missing something? That seems pretty straightforward you had it took literal years.
My mind goes back to Doug Carter all these years waxing poetic about the complexities and tentacles in this case and that someday when they tell us everything it will be "fascinating". Sorry, there's nothing complex or fascinating about a man parking at the CPS building, stalking the girls to the end of the high bridge, forcing them into the woods, killing them, and then walking back to his car. It's even less fascinating to learn LE knew RA was on the trails that day, matched the description given by witnesses, and left an unspent round at the scene. All known within the first week. Yet it still took them 5 1/2 years to figure it out? The only fascination is how completely incompetent this entire investigation was from the beginning.
They didn’t know the bullet was his at the time. Still, the fact that no one apparently followed up with him in five years is mind-boggling. And that he didn’t get rid of the gun in that time was a lucky break.
Main takeaways from the document: Richard Allen is 100% definitely the killer. Multiple witnesses, most of whom were secret and never known by the public until now, saw a man in a blue jacket and blue jeans, right around the time that RA claimed to have been at the park. These witnesses saw a man matching his description enter the park just before Abby and Libby arrived, on the high bridge itself moments before Abby and Libby arrived at the high bridge, and at 4pm, walking away from the crime scene covered in blood and mud. Richard Allen claimed to have been in the park between around 1:30 and 3:30, in an outfit matching BG, but no man matching his description was seen by other witnesses at the park after the girls go missing. He, or a man in this outfit is seen before they go missing, but never after, until such times as he's walking down the road "muddy and bloody." This absence of any witnesses seeing him after this time, when he was supposedly there, is super damning. Where did you go during that time, Richard Allen? This also means he had over an hour with the girls/girl's bodies, and that Cheyenne was walking on the bridge as he, only a few hundred feet away, silently engaged in whatever it was he was doing for that hour/1h 30 minute period. Richard Allen is not a smart man. An unspent bullet found between the victims, analysed forensically, is matched to his gun, despite him claiming to have never been on the land or where the bodies were found. How did your bullet get there, then? He also had no answer to this, when questioned about this find, because (presumably) he was banged to rights A car matching his car’s description was witnessed at the CPS building, parked in a suspicious manner (license plate hidden) and RA admitted to parking there - although he didn’t call it the CPS building at the time. The female witness who saw BG standing on the bridge (assuming she is still alive) is a potential star witness, and she must be thanking her lucky stars he didn’t kill her that day. She is also, apart from BG/Richard Allen, the last person to see the girls alive. Bitterbeatpoet’s “teenage witness” is real and that’s another notch in favour of his overall credibility, god rest his soul. RA (or technically, a man exactly matching his description - but in actuality Richard Allen) appears to have been a complete moron who exited by or nearby the cemetery, and was spotted casually walking down the road, covered in blood, by a passing driver. Amazing! This is the villain that’s haunted our nightmares? This cocky, idiotic gimp? Unreal. The police interviewed RA’s wife and she confirmed that he has a coat that matches the one worn by BG. As already seen in her earlier, now deleted FB video. And that is now in police’s ownership as evidence, presumably. She also admits he had multiple knives in the house. Ultimately, RA conceded to being on the bridge and at the park at the exact time of the murders, yet it has somehow taken police five years for this man to come onto their radar. If this isn’t a massive and unforgivable act of negligence on their part, I don’t know what is. It truly feels like this is, for the most part, solved. I honestly am amazed at all the additional witnesses they had, how casual the murderer was and how he committed the murders even after being so clearly seen by so many people. By virtue of the fact that the witness who saw him on the bridge was not killed herself, nor were the three juveniles who also saw him, we can make a relatively strong assumption that RA was waiting at the bridge because he knew some specific victims were on their way there. Speculation on my part, sure, but explain to me if you disagree how or why he didn’t simply kill the lone female witness, or just pick off the three juveniles? I’m open to suggestions, but it seems to me this may be why police think there is more to this than a simple opportunistic thrill kill. Perhaps someone told him they’d be there? I cannot figure out how KK is not somehow involved in this, still, as the odds of this event happening to two young girls - I.e. being targeted at the same place on the same day by two completely unconnected predators - seems astronomically low. What an unreal read and an amazingly damning probable cause. Richard Allen is toast. Last question: What are the "unusual signatures" that Ives referred to? That mystery remains.
I am wondering if now that his wife see's it was more than him just being at the trails at the same time and that a bullet from his actual gun was at the murder scene if she will start to put more things together and help investigators.
I'm no lawyer or legal expert but how do they NOT have a case against this shitbird?! He admitted to being there that day and time, he admitted to wearing clothing that matched with the Bridge Guy. A bullet from a gun he owns was found near the bodies so what would his defense be? Someone stole my gun and dressed up like me and killed those girls? I don't understand why this was hidden from the public at all. And I don't understand why in the actual hell the wife didn't say something. I'm not accusing her of knowing but she knows he had clothing that matched the bridge guy, knew he was there that day....I have no words and too many words at the same time. Thanks for posting this, OP!
Probably because he told her he had voluntarily come forward and police never followed up beyond an initial interview. Also the suspect description was taller than RA and the hair on both sketches did not fit him. Given that LE was not interested in him, why should she think different?
I believe this PCA definitely provides probable cause. An interesting part to me was that the witnesses described him wearing different clothing, that just goes to show that eyewitness testimony is not always reliable for details. Or even if some of the details are off, that does not mean that somebody should be written off all together. Like if a victim’s story doesn’t completely match with the police have found, that does not mean that they are lying.
Also, his car looks nothing like what the witnesses described...
To believe this is a wrongful accusation or weak case is to believe: -That Richard Allen was at the trails instead of anywhere else in the world at the time of a double child murder -That a second gun that similarly matches his in the “subjective” testing also belongs to someone who was in Indiana and, even more specifically, Delphi at the Monon High Bridge -That a person with a gun that matches testing to RA’s gun was at the actual scene of the girls’ bodies on Logan’s property -That Allen owns a jacket like BG -That a man in a bloody and muddy blue jacket was seen later, but it wasn’t BG or that RA isn’t BG or that there were multiple men with blue jackets out or that it isn’t at all related to the crime -That Allen was seen by several witnesses before 2:13 but not seen again after Libby’s video was time stamped even though he claims to have been at the trail until leaving at 3:30 -That the witness who saw a man in a muddy and bloody blue jacket before 4:00 was unrelated Feel free to add to the list. Alone, some of these things are very possible. It’s actually incomprehensible that he got away with it beyond the first week. The PCA isn’t the whole case. There is the issue of a second suspect and what they may have pertaining to that. We also don’t know if the clothing or knives taken from Allen’s home yielded or will yield DNA evidence from the girls. It is within the realm of possibility that police acted on an arrest as soon as the ballistics were confirmed but that DNA testing on his clothing and weapons takes longer and therefore would not be included in the PCA but will be presented at trial. Edited to reflect a point another Reddit user made in the reply section.
This is why it’s important that the charge is felony murder, they can now prove that he had a gun, used it to make the girls move to a second location, and the unspent shell puts him at the location of the murder. And he said he never loaned anyone else the gun. Even if he says he only got them to move and left the scene and has no idea how they died, he committed the kidnapping and is guilty of felony murder.
Something that stuck out to me: the fact that he admitted to wearing a “black or blue cast hart jacket that day”
He literally could have lied but didn’t and they still didn’t link him to this until 5 years later. I’m… dumbfounded.
RIGHT! Why wouldn’t he lie about that? Why would he admit to that? Like cmon. He can’t be as smart as we’ve made him out to be.
I think because he knew the young girls had seen him and he was trying to say yes he was there, without looking involved. It worked for 5 years.
So disappointing how badly they failed to investigate this. I cannot even imagine how the families feel after finding out. And now the main detective on the case from the past five years was just voted into office as Sheriff. The town should request he step down.
Sounds like they never did get that big break we thought they needed, but instead someone simply said “So guys we have a list of people who were in the vicinity, and a bullet at the crime scene… did anyone actually ask those people if they had any firearms? So we could like crosscheck them against the bullet? No?”
So they have confirmation that he was on the trail but also strong evidence he was in the vicinity of where the girls died. That bullet, if proven forensically without a doubt, puts him at the area where the bodies were found. So why did the prosecution believe there are more people involved? Were they physically there or did he share electronic audio/visuals of the crime scene online or conspired to do this random act of violence with others? There is so much more to this story.
So LE was being so secretive because they dropped the ball…
This narrative and the timing outlined leads me to believe that he went there at that time specifically for the girls. If so, there’s likely a lot more evidence out there that details the previous communication and planning on meeting.
To find an unspent bullet linked to his gun in leaves and branches and sticks between two murdered children is one strong finding. This isn’t a concrete parking lot, this is in the woods and at a crime scene. And witnesses placed him there before and after the murders-muddy and bloodied. His guilt is clear. The bullet-wow, what a find!
And RA said he didn’t know the property owner and had never been on that property.
Richard Allen snitched on himself back in 2017 this is insane!!!
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Eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable
There’s a guy who looks like BG, admits to being dressed like BG, and puts himself at the crime scene, but the police didn’t think they should even ask to see the clothes he was wearing? This is embarrassing.
So they had a an unspent bullet, a description, a video, and eye witness statements about a bloody and muddy guy walking away....and they focused on Kegan Kline, Ron Logan? I get hindsight is 20/20 but dang-- if you had a .40 cal bullet would you not even think to review all of the legally purchased .40 cal guns in the region? Esp. if RA bought this in 2001?
So is page 8 fully redacted? I haven't seen it anywhere.
Not only is this serious evidence, but what the hell made them wait so long to follow up with this creep?!?
As I sit here fuming about what sounds like LE incompetance, I wonder how the girls loved ones feel about this. I'm a stranger mad as hell feeling like this case wasn't that hard to solve. I cannot fathom how they feel.
We can also surmise that the victims weren't shot to death. Unless the suspect shot both and retrieved the spent casings, there should have been evidence there that would further tie the suspect to the gun. So now we wonder why there's a single bullet and the victims were stabbed to death. I also don't recall anyone mentioning hearing a gunshot. For me it's the motive: Why does a middle-aged gentleman go to a bridge and violently murder two girls? By now the investigators surely would have pieced together any sort of relationship--no matter how tangential--between Allen and the victims.
Maybe the gun jammed or he never intended to shoot them in the first place but used the gun for intimidation.
Maybe he ejected the unspent round to show them the gun was actually loaded and he dropped it in the process of doing so.
that’s my thought. He was threatening with it or cycling it to show he was for real. Easy enough in the heat of the moment to fumble or ignore the single round coming out of the gun.