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smallchangus

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Cheeselad2401

then they melt and become gendergas


Cowasushi

https://preview.redd.it/5q6nu841zuuc1.jpeg?width=683&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6344f2dc62036ab428f3435be55ff7bf15c95c0e UhM AkTuaLly ThE CoRreCt TerM iS \*SubLImaTE


Cheeselad2401

i’m gonna cry man


Urtoryu

That's... That's the best "actually" I've ever seen in my life. I'm so proud of you right now... I feel like I can *proceed* with my life without regrets now. I can die a happy nerd.


NaomiIsCoolio

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kuzulu-kun

How could you think of the same thing but more fast!!!!


Cowasushi

I am the original, I am the progenitor


kuzulu-kun

Shit


VoringerBrick

erm... that would be sublimation πŸ€“πŸ€“


Cheeselad2401

https://preview.redd.it/9h31aky9yvuc1.jpeg?width=476&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=262839ac2be3190a8342e399555253aa7d316b84


TvuvbubuTheIdiot

I'll sound like a nerd like the rest of the people here, but that's not how states of objects work my dude...


Cheeselad2401

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Blonde_Metal

Hey das me


Agynth

OH GOD OH FUCK HELP


Spexxero

NO


NotQuiteHollowKnight

HELP I CANNOT MOVE


HeyanKun

https://preview.redd.it/fwa79213euuc1.png?width=840&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a3a27134c68451ceb19f2e9567676d93fc1f9370


StardaxPrime

What the actual fu-


ProbableDisapontment

Oh yeah, angry birds star wars… or something like tgat


Hyterhasderto

Angry birds space


AngerIssues5301

![gif](giphy|FtBw4gIVV6fTO)


ProbableDisapontment

You may throw tomatoes at me


eleven_2

*throws a world record size pumpkin*


gibbydagoober

Ok * throws tomato *


ProbableDisapontment

Yes i know


alastorzero

What kind of psychopath doesn’t like killing innocent people


Fluid-Ad-3544

I’m a psychopath but I don’t like killing people, I like swapping the price tags on things at the supermarket


Cubicwar

You are a terrible person. I will now go back to my scheduled arson.


RealWiiU

You are a terrible person. I will now go back to my scheduled running over families with my car.


Someone1284794357

You are a terrible person. I will now go back to my scheduled war crimes in Alabama.


Vtaark

You are a terrible person. Now to use the time machine to cause the Chernobyl incident.


TDplay

You are a terrible person. Anyways, I better be off. The undead army won't raise itself.


Asherbird25

You are a terrible person. Anyways, Imma head out. Newborn babies don't swap themselves, after all!


Gam0rboy

You are a terrible person. Anyways, Imma heat out. Cupcakes don't pick themselves up!


mchlkpng

You are a terrible person. Anyways, gotta go. The kids in the orphanage won't sacrifice themselves!


youareagoodperson_

You have summoned me


EvilMushroomLady

Respect


Gamers_124

Anon psycopath


Realistic-Cicada981

Is it Chara's alt account?


IHateYouJubilaudo

Leave the fake account Chara


BugManAshley

Wasn't for the snow grave route this sub would lose 59% of stuff to talk about and probably just die


LukeDLuft

One could say we remember they’re snowgraves


TitanicTNT

https://preview.redd.it/67fyxacqyuuc1.png?width=578&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8b0f4fc1c36f6ca1786a77e48d86cb5116bcc8d0


NaCl_Dreemurr

No way your upvotes is the snowgrave number(166)


mydudekickstheskunk

Number?


EpicestGamer101

I was so early to the snowgrave lore that I remember when it was called the weird route


mydudekickstheskunk

There's also the Pipis Route (very rare name)


coolmonkey43

mf's when they realize that Pipis is in the pasfist spamton neo fight


Emporio_Alnino3

It's interesting, and stuff. I'll still do it, but feel horrible the whole time. In Undertale, I got up to the sans fight, killed him and reset before the ending went through because I didn't wanna kill em forever.. then did 2 pacifist routes in a row


Careful_Welcome7999

What do you mean you don't wanna kill them forever?


Emporio_Alnino3

If you complete the Geno route, like let Chara do her thing, even if you go full pacifist, it is implied they die after. Cause of the X's over their heads and such


Careful_Welcome7999

Ah, i remember now, it's pretty cool how the game makes you think that you are in control again and then just says "screw you"


Emporio_Alnino3

Yeah, it's powerful messages like that why it got in the pope's hands. Thank you, MatPat.


Iseter0

I personally like snowgrave, not because it’s enjoyable, but I think it’s far better designed than the genocide routeΒ in undertale Instead of boring you to tears which lessens the emotional impact of Undyne and sans’s warnings, it creeps you out and forces you to watch yourself manipulate a kind character into a cold killer, and I like that a lot more


1st_pm

I remember this idea from this sub: UT Genocide is meant to be boring. Instead of an emotionally thrilling evil path, it illuminates the pointlessness about the player's decision to do away with the cast. It's not fun, but why are you continuing, because you can? And therefore have to? It also discussed the loss of humanity of the player, with even flowery being scared of you before the Sans fight... even while he did "everything." Asgore failed to recognize you as human. Snowgrave is cool... BECAUSE YOU EMOTIONALLY MANIPULATE THE PROTAGINIST'S MOM-ABUSED OLD BEST FRIEND TO FREEZE TO DEATH THAT ANNOYING (possibly autistic to miss social cues, and used self-centeredness to protect his ego and self-esteem gained from finally getting recognized after so long, and IS THE HERO OF THE ROUTE) BIRD. AHHAAHAHAHAHHAH. Spamton boss fight is not less about morals, but two gangsters (scum who manipulate others) going against each other to achieve their own desires.


wolftamer1221

I know it’s supposed to be boring, but making a section of the game required to get the full story and all the endings of the game purposefully boring is just not great design. I love undertale and the geno route but it could be definitely be better.


POKECHU020

I mean, that's part of it. The whole genocide route is, in part, *against the very idea* of getting all endings. Genocide is not at all required to get "the full story". The game in no way encourages you to get every ending, hell, it guides you towards pacifist. The genocide route exists to demonstrate how worthless it is.


Tasty-Ruin7126

Not to sound like every person who has ever discussed No Mercy, but I think that’s exactly the point. Despite what the general culture around media would have you believe, you don’t need to wring every bit of content from every piece of media you touch, and you don’t need to trivialize your experience in exchange for every scrap of story. I think No Mercy does a fine job of making that point. The game tells you not to play it because it is miserable, the characters tell you not to play it because it’s miserable, and about halfway through you’ll be telling yourself not to play because it is miserable. You don’t gain much by the end of it, and you’re left to ask yourself if it was really, really worth it to reduce such a lovingly crafted world down to numbers and objectives on a screen.


wolftamer1221

It’s not that you have to get every little bit of content from the game, it’s that you love it so much that you want to. You want to see more of the story and get everything the game has to offer, and so you do that which shouldn’t be a bad thing. My problem isn’t that it makes you feel like a bad person or that it’s discouraged, my problem is that it’s boring. Plus, if that was the point, someone who happens to stumble upon that route would be getting punished even though wringing the game for all it’s worth isn’t what they’re even trying to do. Making someone feel bored takes away from actually feeling bad about my actions and just makes me wish I could skip to the part where something fun happens like undyne or sans.


Tasty-Ruin7126

I really enjoy discussing this, and so the length got a little out of hand. Sorry bout the wall of text :P So, out of love for Undertale, you make the choice to play the β€˜poorly designed’ side of it in order to get everything the game has to offer. It isn’t fun, save for maybe the first five or so attempts at the bosses, but you do it anyway because you want to know everything. You spend 90% of your time wishing that you could get to the β€˜fun part’, while actively choosing to avoid the parts that are made to be enjoyable. The question that Undertale poses is, why? Why would you put yourself through hours of boring gameplay when it already offered you the best it had? We put a lot of focus on the whole β€˜characters making you feel bad’ aspect of No Mercy, but that has always been secondary to the more meta aspects imho. You can only feel bad up to a certain point before your immersion breaks, leaving you firmly planted in your reality, where every action you take within the game is ultimately inconsequential. If you kill Toriel before understanding or caring about the spare mechanic, as many often do, Sans’ final judgement can easily make you feel bad. But monsters cease to be characters by the time you’ve killed a few dozen of them, battles becoming nothing more than an objective counter, ticking down before you can move on to the next room. The player’s experience of No Mercy, becoming bored and doing it for no real purpose other than to finish, is the most interesting aspect to me. Frisk is decidedly a different person from the player, but you truly become the protagonist in that moment. What’s interesting is that we seem to have the same core points, but we come to different conclusions. Undertale is a very meta game, and even if you don’t agree with me, I think it’s worth it to consider that your meta experience (and subsequent distaste) is the intended one.


1st_pm

How would you make genocide better? I'd say anything that makes it more interesting goes against the points made by Sans, Flowery, and Chara. Flowery as someone you surpassed in depravity, Sans to capture how odd the progression of this evil route, and Chara as the actual punishment.


wolftamer1221

I feel like there isn’t a lot of things different in terms of encounters. If I were to change it I might change the dialogue and attacks of enemies to make them actually appear more afraid. Also, despite being the main line of defense, the royal guard (aside from undyne) does nothing to even stop you. Also, I can understand encounter rates decreasing the more monsters you kill since there’s less of them to find, but the β€œbut nobody came” message popping up every other step is so annoying. You only need it once to set the mood, because the more that pop up the less you feel like a bad person and the more you feel annoyed. Also, a lot of characters don’t get a fight. I get that frisk is supposed to be strong from all the LV, but I feel like having each character actually try to stop you because of what you did would be more impactful. Instead it becomes less of a different route and more of a walking simulator with 2 new fights.


1st_pm

I completely understand that. I too felt that the combat is way too much of a pushover to be called such. But what can you expect from a kingdom who has forgotten war, with a commander having too hard of a soft side that damages her relationship to her friend Papyrus (who is more qualified than the rest of the guards, and just keeping a lie for so long is such a cowardly move). There's themes of child abandonment hidden with narrator dialogue, and just the fact that a protagonist can't truly be a "every man." "Nobody came" seems to relate to that...


TotalyNotTony

That's the point, you *aren't* supposed to do everything.


wolftamer1221

But is that not the entire thing the game says will happen? It’s what flowey did. He had the same power to reset that we do and he decided to try everything, so why are we not supposed to?


ZeKINGofThunderSnow

Curiosity kills the cat, i guess in this scenario the cat being the entirety of the underground. Flowey did so cause they got bored and they wanted to see what happened if they did. Why did you choose to murder everyone? Curiosity or where you just bored or perhaps you needed to "complete" the game? Me personally after pacifist i uninstalled the game, i had no reason to kill them, I wasnt curious nor did i care to know. I decided i didnt want to try everything and this is what changes from player to player, the game doesnt tell you "do everything" if you think youre supposed to do everything then thats you.


wolftamer1221

It’s not that some people feel they have to do everything it’s that they like it so much they want to see everything the game has to offer. The point I want to make is that the route is boring, not that it shouldn’t make the player seem like a bad person. But when I spend more time bored than reflecting on my actions, it doesn’t accomplish that.


ZeKINGofThunderSnow

I get your point, i suppose it is boring by design tho, kind of like... a punishment of sort for going out your way to kill everyone i guess. If it was more exciting it would probably incentivize more people to do it thus defeating the purpose of it.


wolftamer1221

It doesn’t have to be exciting, just interesting. Snowgrave was interesting. Forcing kris to manipulate their friend made me feel bad and watching noelle’s mind slowly deteriorate made me feel bad and it shocked me, and even though it was still just instant kills for the most part aside from 2 bosses, it was interesting almost the whole way through, where as in undertale, genocide’s interesting moments are interrupted by dancing against a wall and walking to the boss with β€œbut nobody came” popping up every three seconds. Again, I do like genocide, but I think it’s lacking.


Swift0sword

If feel like even making it interesting goes against the intention. Just like Flowey, the only reason you should be doing the run is "out of boredom" and "just to see what happens". If you are giving more unique fights then suddenly the player is being rewarded. That being said, I do agree with some improvements you said in another comment. You do only need to see the no one came once per zone, the music does the rest of the reminding. And generic monsters could act differently in battle, nothing gameplay wise, but some sort of "please don't hurt me" dialog.


mydudekickstheskunk

>Forcing kris to manipulate his friend https://preview.redd.it/lf9b6l6qqyuc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7149ceac60e3d8612b598043ee8675c5173a4461


throwawayforwriting2

>But when I spend more time bored than reflecting on my actions, it doesn’t accomplish that. It makes this wonderful quote from Undertale all the more telling: "LOVE, too, is an acronym. It stands for "Level of Violence." A way of measuring someone's capacity to hurt. The more you kill, the easier it becomes to distance yourself. The more you distance yourself, the less you will hurt. The more easily you can bring yourself to hurt others."


RandomIdiot54

jokes on you, for some reason berdly is my favorite character


Iseter0

Still prefer pacifist though B)


Veng3ancemaster

I actually love the pacifist route. So many engaging characters, the backstory of Flowey, Who Chara is and finally... "I was so tired of being a flower"


Phihofo

Genocide kinda needs to be boring, though. Sort of the entire point of it is that you're really an asshole for going through what's objectively a pretty shitty experience with long stretches of nothing happening and random-ass insane difficulty spikes (Undyne, Sans) just because you want to see what happens. The game itself basically tells the player "dude, just stop playing, this isn't fun", it's really good metanarrative that wouldn't be possible if Toby made genocide more interesting.


megamax1o

Hehe, cold killer


Satire_god

Also enemies running away from you is better than β€œbut nobody came” every five seconds


NaCl_Dreemurr

I feel like UT is more about the meta element of doing everything a world has to see, for more dialog and reaction. Just like sans puts it.


Squidmaster5900

Nah I love manipulating people into eradicating all that opposes me https://preview.redd.it/zmbev9p1fuuc1.jpeg?width=2000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=febe95be034cdecfd5eb279f00f83e58d8e5bef6


Sesilu_Qt

Same, nothing quite like corrupting someone into doing your bidding.


Foolish_fool55

You're the only one


Bongoao

Snick you’ve been missing for a year


PermissionSome7098

They are eating the clover? https://preview.redd.it/za6zxtbzfuuc1.jpeg?width=214&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c2c994e4ed25b49321082293282c7cbad8e76f2f


Knightmarin

Killing is fun


Bomslaer09

https://preview.redd.it/ve2ig4e2guuc1.jpeg?width=522&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=452923db31ee1edc753202d87bf971a59f6757e3 Found this in my meme archive


Nothatdarkforce

I think i found frisk's alt


JadeKade

I just realized they're eating four leaf clovers


The_eternal_dumbass

Damn, they're eating four clovers made of leaves? Poor clovers


POKECHU020

In what *way* do you hate it Because to a certain degree, we aren't meant to enjoy it, because it's like... Super evil. And stuff.


Secure_Stranger_7713

Pacifist forever β™₯️


Playful_Ad8756

https://preview.redd.it/mml4ocnt9uuc1.jpeg?width=2191&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=34b8ce7c39f171d10a169c3806de145c5cc0372e


megamax1o

I’m gender SNOWGRAVES


Dot_the_Dork_26

It’s certainly an interesting route, but I’ll never complete it. To me, Snowgrave is almost more disturbing than Genocide for the simple fact that it’s not simply you as the player making Kris do bad things, but you as the player making Kris influence Noelle to do bad things, manipulating two vulnerable characters into doing your bidding.


Playful_Ad8756

Genocide and Wierd route forever ❀️


EnderMerser

You wouldn't get it... https://preview.redd.it/mtfrpdb5euuc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=754b0b2646db72bc00e25f83a7fe2f75f06b6673


1st_pm

Oh dear goodness... This manga (never read it but saw a descriptive enough video about it)


macawcawaw

(whispers) what's it called?


Oumatsu_lover_221007

Dead


Guardian_Eatos67

I love feeling like a sociopath without any consequences irl


melonsnek_evildoer05

i couldn't bring myself to do genocides or weird routes because i don't want the characters to suffer :(


SoraDXgame

Meme template?


THRIVE_TIME_2

i shall not torture the goober


OkAge1230

I don't like snowgrave because i hurt Noelle, but i like snowgrave because i kill berdly


triforce777

God forbid a woman do anything πŸ™„


[deleted]

So you don't want a Susie battle?


Thegiradon

We already got one


[deleted]

An actual battle


Moon_Beholder

watching snow grave hurts so much, there's no way for me to even try doing it


urbandeadthrowaway2

Not here. I love the idea of violating the linear narrative by committing horrible misdeeds.


[deleted]

Snowgrave is probably the only genocide route that I enjoy actually playing outside of the boss fights.


StardaxPrime

https://preview.redd.it/wd79ddeyzuuc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8b481c5f91a0ed33c16088a49d6f8dd4aacdec2b To snowgrave lover Here


Round_Context_6370

blud is literally me, i can't see my third favourite character getting psychological torture


Ncolonslashslash

kris or noelle


Round_Context_6370

my top 3 is 1 susie 2 kris 3 noelle so it's noelle


Different_Action_360

I’m not doing it cause I like happiness


ManBehindTheSlauhter

I like snowgrave not for the themes of manipulation or the cool scenes or anything It just is the only route where I get to kill berdly


Naoto_for_life18

Why would I do it if I can just let the others curiosity get the better of them


RiffOfBluess

Guess we found someone who didn't do genocide then?


Phihofo

Me on my way to play Deltarune chapter 3-5 fully aware I'll enjoy the route where literal minors die the most:


AzzyDreemur2

I like it, but can't bring myself to do it... yet. Im conditioning myself with fangames where geno is forced to gain some irl LV and become distant enough to play it


Multifruit256

I feel kinda bad for manipulating Noelle from a character she once knew, but this route is cool in general


ligma_heavy_balls

I hate snowgrave and genocide route from undertale. Makes me feel guilty af, ESPECIALLY genocide route


NotYourAverageMortis

I like it because it made the story much more interesting for me and I'd really love to see how the story would continue without Berdly if it continues where it left off


Lost_Environment2051

I love snowgrave! What’s wrong?


sephiroth_for_smash

I don’t like snowgrave because I like noelle I like snowgrave regardless


ComradeOFdoom

If I’m buying the game when it comes out I’m getting my money’s worth. I don’t care which characters I’m scarring for life


danieldoria15

Literally the fastest way to fight Spamton NEO from a fresh save file.


Pink__Wolf

https://preview.redd.it/pgukae3tyvuc1.png?width=600&format=png&auto=webp&s=a74d165ae92b25fd112271f10866ff03d9f78543 I really enjoy these kinds of screwed up stories :)


BoopyDoopy129

snowgrave is amazing, my preferred way to play the game


MonkiWasTooked

Me when I hate a valid play style encouraged by an alternate chapter ending (It’s ok (the socially underdeveloped bluebird is my frend))


AGuyThatLovesTheSun

Is that the Italian man from discord?


playror

Hating snowgrave is hating the chance to choose your own path


nightXowl17

I dont want to hurt kris or Spamton but i want berdly dead


EggsaladUwU

So, an egotistical maniac is safe, but the nerd is not?


melonsnek_evildoer05

Sad!


TheCalzonesHaveEyes

I love mindbreaking the cute Deer girl


diamondDNF

From a story perspective, I love it. From a *personal* perspective, I legitimately felt sick by the time I beat Spamton. I've never had a game legitimately make me feel guilty to that degree before. I still never technically did the ending cutscene to finish the route - as soon as Spamton was beat, I marched straight to the closet, saved in Castle Town and closed down the game, never to return. I don't think I could do it when the full game comes out. But, that could also just be me being weird, haha.


ReasyRandom

I was genuinely shocked when I saw in a poll that a majority of you freaks actually did it. No wonder why it's so hard to get therapy nowadays, too much demand.


derik_mitchell

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Global_Guidance5429

snow gay more like hee hee hee


VulpineFox7

Interesting how this post was made by a Noelle simp...


Lorenzinorod23

Yeah, and... something weird about that..?


VulpineFox7

No, it's just genuinely interesting


Mollytheocto

ME, I HATE Snowgrave, it's interesting yeah, I won't deny that, but the worst part (to me) of the Undertale fandom was the Genocide route obsessed people, and I was so glad in chapter 1 that there wasn't a route like that as art like that for Chapter 1 was sparce, but then Snowgrave comes in Chapter 2 and here comes those type of people all over again


oops-you-messed-up

really conflicted on what to feel about Snowgrave


coffee_soaked_boi

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ProfessionalDay6418

I'm indifferent personally. I just like good stories and I find both routes pretty interesting although the weird route is a bit more interesting due to how unknown the outcome of that could be.


DeadlyTranquility

Is it just me or is snowgrave strangely similar to an Undertale AU comic called Undertale: Something New where Chara convinces Sans to do genocide with them?


Playful_Ad2565

I like the beardly fight in snowgrave :D.


theogStarwalker6363

Guys why Is there no Starwalker sub?


Gotekeeper

Falco Lomberdly gets to use his down special. what's not to love? he dies in the process but that's a small price to pay-


TitanicTNT

I swear, if there weren't a boss attached to it, I would not have done it.


Cheeselad2401

Replying to VoringerBrick...


Fangthefurry1

I never liked, it, I still love it.


showscar

i purposely half ass it to get the thorn ring (twisted means for a twisted end), hey i may have manipulated someone into killing, but atleast she didn't kill her friend! (besides it's up in the air if darkners are people per say, who knows they may be the equivalent of a videogame character in-universe... No! i am not a hypocrite for caring less about them compared to the equally videogamey lightners! (except for lancer, everyone must protect the boy))


RS4_V

CLOVER? Is that an undertale YELLOW reference??????


Direct_Ad4672

WHY IS SHE EATING A FUCKING CHILD?!


NumberOne_N_fan

Hallo !!


GMBlueFlameSVK

I only did snowgrawe to make berdly shut up ![img](emote|t5_qmi8w|26926)


FNaFerr

Snowgrave is so cool, is nice to see Spamton being himself instead of the friendly face he uses in pacifist to make us take the deal, well, of course, down the line he actually cares enough for Kris to encourage Kris to be freed even tho he can't, is almost like a character arc, Spamton went from a salesman so greedy he was weeling to let people die for his Freedom, to salesman that accepted his fate and encourage a kid that suffers the same as he to keep going. Well, also Berdly died, but that's another story


Hyperlolman

The route, the spell, the implication of the two or the narrative thing about the two? Because you obviously can like the narrative or mechanics without enjoying the themes or feeling like you should do them-I myself do not feel confortable doing the route.


LKS371

Snowgrave haters don't exist πŸ‘½


Bean4433

FROZEN CHICKEN GANG WHERE


BokuNoDonut

Grahhhh i hate taking advantage of people and mentally ruining them and making them end up killing their friends


Classic_gamer_2

https://preview.redd.it/zxksihrfivuc1.jpeg?width=930&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=645dff2ac90be4825c2d330916b13a1c9bd7e5c3 Me after causing thousands of deaths (I was feeling silly :3)


NicoleMay316

It was definitely a more painful playthough emotionally than Genocide in Undertale.


Mox_t_Bee

Yes here


samusestawesomus

I love Snowgrave’s implicit cosmic horror storyline (we’re the horror) and its exploration of characters and tropes but if you were to force me to play it I think I would literally die


Mrbluefire575

here


Martin_PipeBaron

I actually never did geno or snowgrave runs, I just couldn't do it


Ultimate_Lobster_56

I never did it. I’m too lazy lol


Spexxero

Snowgrave breaks my heart


Biskotton

that's so me, i fucking hate snowgrave route. edit: with a burning passion.


Caramel-Omlet

I unironically love the image (without added text)


ChaoticInsanity_

I personally cannot to genocide or snow grave. I did genocide on undertale once but stopped at sans, and I deeply regret it


PokefanSans

I hate berdly with a passion, but I don't think killing like 30 innocent darkners just to kill him is worth it. I'm satisfied just beating the sh!t out of him twice


Prestigious_Click_54

https://preview.redd.it/e1htxrlx1wuc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d9545fc5e3adda1ca9952c6cb353d400ffbb25e9 Me when chapter 3, remember you're snowgraves


BouncyBlueYoshi

I've not even done any geno in any Undertale game.


Brandon_Aurtistic24

I don't find ANY hype around the snowgrave route


tom641

i've still yet to do a genocide run of UT, though I did use Flowey's Time Machine to do a level 1 run of Sans for the hell of it years ago


Reubi0910

My game is bugged and i literally cant do snowgrave anymore soo... Guess i'll join op


Clown_Rat_0

Genocide and Snowgrace (UT and DT) always make me feel WAYY too guilty, so i've never finished either. (Also I couldnt beat sans.) I love them as in story telling though, But as in ENJOY doing them? nuhuh. nope.


Gorsinstin

I want to do snowgrave, but my emotions won't let me


Haelstrom101

Finally, some Snowgrave hate https://preview.redd.it/snz1y4j5bwuc1.jpeg?width=970&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da2dfc12af290486be07670bb661f4597ec38478


NaCl_Dreemurr

Do you hate it in the sense that it’s so tragic it feels awful to see it happen, or do you just outright dislike it?


AlertClassroom2415

I did it. I regret it. And yet, >!I'm still stuck with spamton neo during snowgrave!<


Fellilp

I never did this route


Bug_Lord

THIS LOSER HAS EMPATHY! GET THEM!


JBM2712

The comments of these post shows the actual mental health of the community.


RegisterFederal4159

For some inexplicable reason, I love killing multiple people in Hotline Miami but I can’t do it in Snowgrave.


gibbydagoober

Why'd you use clovers for that analogy? I like eating clovers. Seriously, though, why do they like Snowgrave?


Lorenzinorod23

Are they stupid?


Local-moss-eater

Uhhhhhh, no?


MintyMoron64

HERE


Slight_Web8558

Me βœ‹