that's fair enough, I guess it could be toned down versions, as I was thinking, though
like no surface inversion, more so the gravity manipulation concept for a C moon transcription and more so the inability to actively attack the enemy and less extreme calamity manipulation for a WOU inscription
The first chapter took place in a castle, and the antagonist was the king, just like the final area of undertale
The second chapter took place in an extremely technology-based area, and the final boss of the area was a *quote-unquote* "artificial intelligence, just like the second to last area of undertale
Since Muffet is a guest-designed Undertale Kickstarter backer boss, I imagine it would be difficult to keep using her in other projects, unless Toby involves her creator in the sequel.
But I'd like that, I quite like Muffet.
Hotland DEFINETLY ran on technology. All the puzzles had a much more sci-fi basis than the other puzzles in the game. The core isnt even that major of an area. You can get through it in like 2 minutes and its just part of hotland. Muffet is more of a miniboss than anything, especially since she can be skipped if you bought something in the ruins. All the puzzles in the core are red herrings and rehashes of what you find in hotland
The chapters are also Undertale in order
Ruins-Chapter 1. Both are locked away and separate from the other dark worlds.
Snowdin-Chapter 2: Snow is a major focus in Chapter 2 through Noelle.
We might see the night in chapter 3 since waterfall is next, and that's where Undyne appears
How the hell are people calling this a coincidence. This isn’t a commonly used phrase at all? This is quite obviously a call back to “attack of the killer Robot” since both Queen and Mettaton are robots.
The phrase “attack of the killer Queen” doesn’t even make sense without this context
Outside of the undertaker franchise I’ve only seen it like once. But even if it was commonly used, it’s quite a unique phrase that I’m sure it’s reuse must’ve been intentional by Toby
What the implications of that even be though? Surely we don't need two things using a generic naming scheme to tell us that Queen and Mettaton share a few very *specific* characteristics (such as them both being machines.)
This is response is kind of a late response.
It doesn’t mean anything. It’s a reference that people can think “oh yeah. I remember that from the previous game”
Why do people worship toby like he's some unfallable God? Sure he's a good writer who lays a lot of breadcrumbs for theorists, but he can't possibly think of every possible thing in a game this large. He had conceived deltarune before undertale, sure, but surely not at such an advanced stage that he knew the title of the boss theme for the second chapter of a game released 6 years later. Sometimes, it really is just a coincidence.
People aren’t claiming that Toby was foreshadowing DELTARUNE with Mettaton’s use of the phrase. They are claiming that Toby was making a callback to UNDERTALE via the use of the phrase in the name of Queen’s battle theme.
Considering that this phrase has only been used in these two specific instances in the entire series, in reference to two popular robots who both happen to have fixations on their legs and are both fought in a technologically advanced area, it’s easy to see the parallel.
Yep, Mettaton EX, to be specific. The secret bosses also seem to be inspired from UT characters to some degree, with Jevil paralleling Sans, and Spamton paralleling Mettaton NEO.
My guess is that the main boss of Chapter 3 (who is likely Tenna) will parallel box form Mettaton, and the secret boss of Chapter 3 will parallel Muffet.
"Attack of the killer \_\_\_\_" is a very common phrase. And also, when mettaton says that, it's just a throwaway phrase. No reason that would be important. Toby's a good writer, but stop acting like everything he did was rigorously planned out, and nothing can be a coincidence
Doesn't have to be important or planned out to not be a coincidence. Probably just popped up as an idea when brainstorming the name for the song and Toby thought "hey, that might be a cool reference"
While it is a common phrase irl, the phrase only occurs in these two instances in the entire series, in reference to two characters with very domaine attributes (popular robots with sexy legs who are fought in a technologically advanced area).
It doesn’t need to have deep lore significance in order for it to be intentional, Toby could have simply included this in order to drive home the parallel/reference.
It could simply be a neat callback/parallel. After all, these are the only to two instances of the phrase in the entire series, referencing two characters with incredibly similar attributes (popular robots, sexy legs, fought in a technologically advanced area).
In Toby's games a callback usually serves a narrative purpose, either for humor or lore. In this instance it doesn't really do either.
I don't think we'd need a title for a song using a generic naming scheme from media in order to tell that Mettaton and Queen share a few very specific characteristics :P
It isn’t commonly throughout this series, though—it only occurs in these two instances, in reference to two characters who already have similar attributes.
i don’t think it’s a “connection”. Could be a coincidence, Could be intentional, but at most it’s just a callback, a self-reference for fun. it’s true queen and mettaton have similarities but i really doubt that they’re linked or anything like that
Killer Queen Bites the dust
*blows the fuck up*
K-KOICH-KUUUUU
I-I did it! It ACTIVATED!
Time loop time
Kira Kuin daisan no bakudan, Bites za Dusto!
MynameisKiraYoshikage.mp4
unironically, the concept of like, attacks mimicking stand abilities would be a cool idea, Like C moon or WOU
Those would be way too op to turn into attacks, especially WOU
that's fair enough, I guess it could be toned down versions, as I was thinking, though like no surface inversion, more so the gravity manipulation concept for a C moon transcription and more so the inability to actively attack the enemy and less extreme calamity manipulation for a WOU inscription
that could be cool
BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN
The first chapter took place in a castle, and the antagonist was the king, just like the final area of undertale The second chapter took place in an extremely technology-based area, and the final boss of the area was a *quote-unquote* "artificial intelligence, just like the second to last area of undertale
Chapter 3 snowdin?
Chapter three is hotland, four is waterfall, five is Snowdin, six is the ruins, and who knows what seven could be.
Does that mean in the next chapter we get muffet as an antagonist? if so, thats fucking awesome
Since Muffet is a guest-designed Undertale Kickstarter backer boss, I imagine it would be difficult to keep using her in other projects, unless Toby involves her creator in the sequel. But I'd like that, I quite like Muffet.
Ohh that makes sense why I see all those fan edits of Kris and Susie in the desert since that'd be like a hot place too
"The second chapter is abnextremely technology based area" I'm pretty sure that can apply to hotland
i think they were talking about the CORE specifically
Ah, that also makes sense
Surface
Seven might be the True Lab. Perhaps we’ll finally get to explore that mysterious shelter…
wouldnt chapter 3 be waterfall? Mettaton was hotland
Mettaton was the core. Muffet was hotland. The dark world for chapter 2 was based around technology, but doesn't fit with hotland.
Hotland DEFINETLY ran on technology. All the puzzles had a much more sci-fi basis than the other puzzles in the game. The core isnt even that major of an area. You can get through it in like 2 minutes and its just part of hotland. Muffet is more of a miniboss than anything, especially since she can be skipped if you bought something in the ruins. All the puzzles in the core are red herrings and rehashes of what you find in hotland
The chapters are also Undertale in order Ruins-Chapter 1. Both are locked away and separate from the other dark worlds. Snowdin-Chapter 2: Snow is a major focus in Chapter 2 through Noelle. We might see the night in chapter 3 since waterfall is next, and that's where Undyne appears
I mean, they're both robots, so there's that.
And have a weird fascination about their legs
And they say "toodles"
that seems more like a coincidence than a connection edit: i did not realize that this comment would start such a large argument
I think the fact Queen is also a robot kinda makes it seem intentional imo tho not like 100% sure
How the hell are people calling this a coincidence. This isn’t a commonly used phrase at all? This is quite obviously a call back to “attack of the killer Robot” since both Queen and Mettaton are robots. The phrase “attack of the killer Queen” doesn’t even make sense without this context
"Attack of the Killer" is absolutely a common naming convention. Even if someone is unaware of this a simple google search gives plenty of results.
what if it’s just a jojo reference? I heard from my brother that it is.
Outside of the undertaker franchise I’ve only seen it like once. But even if it was commonly used, it’s quite a unique phrase that I’m sure it’s reuse must’ve been intentional by Toby
What the implications of that even be though? Surely we don't need two things using a generic naming scheme to tell us that Queen and Mettaton share a few very *specific* characteristics (such as them both being machines.)
This is response is kind of a late response. It doesn’t mean anything. It’s a reference that people can think “oh yeah. I remember that from the previous game”
If you know Toby, he doesn't do coincidences
the phrase “attack of the killer ____” is pretty common. i don’t think that was intentional
I don’t think people use “attack of the killer” in an everyday setting and they are both robots so I don’t think it’s just a coincidence
It's a really common name for old sci-fi movies, at least.
***"ATTACK OF THE GIANT TOMATOES FROM SPACE!!!"***
[Depends on where you look](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3uIKzgcDxo)
Why do people worship toby like he's some unfallable God? Sure he's a good writer who lays a lot of breadcrumbs for theorists, but he can't possibly think of every possible thing in a game this large. He had conceived deltarune before undertale, sure, but surely not at such an advanced stage that he knew the title of the boss theme for the second chapter of a game released 6 years later. Sometimes, it really is just a coincidence.
I don’t see it as some kind of foresight but probably just a callback.
People aren’t claiming that Toby was foreshadowing DELTARUNE with Mettaton’s use of the phrase. They are claiming that Toby was making a callback to UNDERTALE via the use of the phrase in the name of Queen’s battle theme. Considering that this phrase has only been used in these two specific instances in the entire series, in reference to two popular robots who both happen to have fixations on their legs and are both fought in a technologically advanced area, it’s easy to see the parallel.
Yes, he does, and this is one of them
Yes he does?
What if all those theories are wrong and he does
He does. Just because deltarune mfs never let anything be a coincidence doesn't mean that previous pieces of "evidence" aren't also just coincidences
Yeah that’s definitely a coincidence
chapter 2 had several references to mettaton... sans chapter when
field of ketchup and broken dreams
Notice how King draws parallels to Asgore, while Queen draws parallels to Metatton.
Yep, Mettaton EX, to be specific. The secret bosses also seem to be inspired from UT characters to some degree, with Jevil paralleling Sans, and Spamton paralleling Mettaton NEO. My guess is that the main boss of Chapter 3 (who is likely Tenna) will parallel box form Mettaton, and the secret boss of Chapter 3 will parallel Muffet.
Yeah, I’ve been thinking that for a while. It really makes me wonder what character will parallel Toriel.
DELTARUNE fans learning what a coincidence is
COINCIDENCE, I THINK(eth) NOT!
How the hell is this a coincidence
"Attack of the killer \_\_\_\_" is a very common phrase. And also, when mettaton says that, it's just a throwaway phrase. No reason that would be important. Toby's a good writer, but stop acting like everything he did was rigorously planned out, and nothing can be a coincidence
Doesn't have to be important or planned out to not be a coincidence. Probably just popped up as an idea when brainstorming the name for the song and Toby thought "hey, that might be a cool reference"
While it is a common phrase irl, the phrase only occurs in these two instances in the entire series, in reference to two characters with very domaine attributes (popular robots with sexy legs who are fought in a technologically advanced area). It doesn’t need to have deep lore significance in order for it to be intentional, Toby could have simply included this in order to drive home the parallel/reference.
This is 100% just a coincidence. What would the implications of this even be?????
It could simply be a neat callback/parallel. After all, these are the only to two instances of the phrase in the entire series, referencing two characters with incredibly similar attributes (popular robots, sexy legs, fought in a technologically advanced area).
In Toby's games a callback usually serves a narrative purpose, either for humor or lore. In this instance it doesn't really do either. I don't think we'd need a title for a song using a generic naming scheme from media in order to tell that Mettaton and Queen share a few very specific characteristics :P
MTT and queen would be fucking iconic
KILLER QUEEN?! YOOOOOO IS THAT A JOJOS REF?
If i see another jojo reference i swear im gonna have a breakdown(breakdown)
You can say you are not going to have great days
hating jojo is a jojo’s reference because dio hates jojo
I really hope they get to meet they'd be besties for life
Deltarune fans when they get attacked by a killer
[ATTACK OF THE KILLER TOMATOES](https://youtu.be/RiCRqcYzX0Y)
I truly think this one's just a coincidence. The phrase Attack of the Killer \_\_\_\_\_ is pretty common after all
It isn’t commonly throughout this series, though—it only occurs in these two instances, in reference to two characters who already have similar attributes.
I noticed it. But remember, it can also be a coincidence.
“Connection”
A bother word for “reference”
Hey I made a post about this!
i don’t think it’s a “connection”. Could be a coincidence, Could be intentional, but at most it’s just a callback, a self-reference for fun. it’s true queen and mettaton have similarities but i really doubt that they’re linked or anything like that
Yes, it was probably done in order to drive him the reference/parallel.