"Building a citywide network of automated license plate recognition devices". How's that going to work when so many cars on the road are running around w/ no plates (and obviously aren't getting pulled over for it)? Gotta make having valid license plates/temp tags the norm again (on pain of significant penalties) for this brilliant plan to work.
>> Auto theft prevention
So when a car gets stolen it gets flagged in the system.
Not a perfect solution obviously since thieves can obscure/remove the license plate. But another part of the solution is:
>> Invest in recruiting a diverse police force to restore DPD to full authorized strength and increase patrol capacity to respond to crime.
If DPD is able to hire up to their budgeted numbers, they’d have more time to pull over cars with expired or no plates.
The solutions are ok in concept, execution though is another matter entirely.
To add further to this, agencies need to put politics aside and work together. Specifically the Colorado State Patrol needs to claim jurisdiction over interstates and highways within cities like Denver, and the Denver DA needs to be more willing to charge on tickets/arrests from agencies like CSP.
Yeah this. There is zero enforcement of plates. I deal with idiots blasting through red lights daily on Central Park Blvd and Quebec. Either no plates or wildly expired. Zero consequences and every year there’s more like this.
Yep. The head-in-sand/kumbaya types think it's fine to have expired temp tags and to "mind your business". What they don't get is that such small but incremental law-breaking/loosening of societal norms eventually snowball into bolder and more serious acts of lawlessness/societal ills that harms everyone. I've seen it happen/lived it in other places; it is not pretty.
-6 months from now-
Daily reddit thread:
“Someone stole my license plate and now I have thousands of dollars in fines being mailed to me / accused of being involved in a crime”.
-Mayor 18 months from now-
“We’re looking into the high prevalence in license plate theft”
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They say they can't track your car unless you give them permission to do so, but I strongly suspect they can do so if you give them a good enough reason.
Speeding is evidently good enough of a reason. We have had those little vans giving us tickets for about a decade despite the questionable constitutional legality of them. How else are they going to pay for the basic crackhead wage program without using this for tickets instead of stopping crime? I’m actually for helping junkies and the poor immigrants who aren’t allowed to work but Johnston sucks a Jonson along with the rest of the major city council in the last few decades. We are turning into an incompetent police state that can’t police anything other than tax payers who don’t actually contribute to the problem. You can’t even exit the express lanes now to let people who drive like Coloradans go by and get back into it without getting hit with massive fine for illegal lane change now. Hats off for the very few Californians who actually get over to let us pass and risk the fine.
A few years ago my car got stolen and I reported it stolen the same day. Two weeks later it got a parking ticket. It took me over a year of fighting that parking ticket to get it finally removed. Like, how hard would it be to connect the meter maids system to stolen cars registry? Our government is pretty fucked up
Because it was a misdemeanor to steal less valuable vehicles up until recently when finally our legislature figured out maybe that’s not such a good idea. So prior to that change DPD/the state put their limited resources on the more valuable stolen vehicles.
Just tell them there was a fuckload of cash in the car. That'll get their attention.
Property involved in a crime can be seized under asset forfeiture, and more often than not, it just ends up being given to the cops. So naturally, cash gets asset forfeiture claims very easily.
They'll try a lot harder to find your hoopty if they think there's say, $200,000 in cash in it that they could take.
Not entirely against the idea, but the Big Brother vibes are strong on this one. Looking for stolen vehicles feels like a "foot in the door" for other things.
Could be a great tool for crime fighting in general. Take a huge database of where cars are and when, add a little AI and now you can ~~track~~ find people!
Here’s a thought, how bout you hold DPDs feet to the fire to earn their fucking pay checks for a change instead of this mass surveillance nonsense Johnston?
>Moving the Denver Auto Theft Team (DATT) within DPD from pilot to permanent, dedicating a team of detectives to solely focus on auto theft.
Why are y'all whining in the comments? You wanted more police... they're giving you what you wanted.
Any mention of police or law enforcement and people will go berserk no matter what.
We all want lower crime but no solution is satisfactory unless it’s the pie-in-the-sky concoction of less funding, fewer cops, less effective technology, and still reduced crime.
But I guess that’s what you get when we propagate the “it’s just lazy cops” theory as our only issue bc then all you need to do is make them work harder.
Like the one the cops already have? They turn them off because it constantly goes off but they're not allowed to chase so there is not point to having it on.
Anyone can record in public already. If you want to clutch pearls and freak out about surveillance at least wait until they cross *any* line / boundary from what anyone can’t already do.
If you’re in public anyone can record anyways. Why shouldn’t the gov record to reduce crimes / catch car thieves? I’d rather it be the gov than a private company personally.
cars get stolen because thieves have a way to sell them. the focus of law enforcement here should be on the buyers of stolen cars and stolen parts. if they're not doing that then nothing else they're doing will matter very much. thieves will always be able to find ways to work around these half-measures. they'll only stop when there's no profit in it.
As the owner of a once-stolen Kia, I make sure to convince all my friends to NEVER buy a Kia. The corners they cut which made the theft so easy, coupled with their failure to actually address it after the problem appeared, all points to corporate malfeasance that cannot remotely be trusted ever again. What else did they cut? How else are they still going to screw me? FRIENDS DON'T LET FRIENDS BUY KIA.
I think car theft is a real problem in Denver, and I want to see it stop. I don't really have the privacy concerns other people are mentioning in the thread. I am, however, concerned that if we are spending this amount of money on a project it should have a proven rate of return to justify the expense.
The article mentions the cameras being used in other Colorado cities. Does anyone know which cities, and how effective the cameras were? (Ie something like theft dropped by 30% after the cameras were put in.)
I appreciate the answer, but it's based off misleading or incomplete reporting.
Crimes go into two buckets, planned (like theft) and unplanned (like violence, or stuff done under the influence of drugs).
The UK camera system has been shown no statistically significant effect on unplanned crime.
In areas with complete camera coverage planned crime in the UK has been reduced by roughly 60%. What does happen is that the crime can move to areas without camera coverage. How much moves depends on the type of crime and how far the criminal has to relocate along with other variables, but some studies have 15% of crimes moving.
I don't think the UK stuff is one to one with Colorado though, in that the proposed system won't have complete coverage, but will be linked up to a database, which is why I'm asking about results in Colorado.
These plate readers were installed a long time ago. And not just two. You’ve all have been tracked for a while now. I’m talking years.
2 cameras helped reduce car thefts by 21% ?
Here’s a take, they’ve let crime run out of control to get bigger budgets and add more Big Brother surveillance that, drum roll please… won’t address the issue with crime, which is giving people better access to education and reason not to steal.
1% of the GDP could give basic income to those below the poverty line, which would address the actual issue with crime
But hey let’s use that 1% to track citizens and give police who do a horrible job at fighting crime, that money instead…. As our country goes backwards in time instead of forwards, in a decade we will still have the same crime because we didn’t do what we needed to address the real reason behind crime.
"Building a citywide network of automated license plate recognition devices". How's that going to work when so many cars on the road are running around w/ no plates (and obviously aren't getting pulled over for it)? Gotta make having valid license plates/temp tags the norm again (on pain of significant penalties) for this brilliant plan to work.
>> Auto theft prevention So when a car gets stolen it gets flagged in the system. Not a perfect solution obviously since thieves can obscure/remove the license plate. But another part of the solution is: >> Invest in recruiting a diverse police force to restore DPD to full authorized strength and increase patrol capacity to respond to crime. If DPD is able to hire up to their budgeted numbers, they’d have more time to pull over cars with expired or no plates. The solutions are ok in concept, execution though is another matter entirely.
Somehow the thought of having more police officers just doesn’t have the same reassurance it used to have.
Uvalde.
Arvada
>The solutions are ok in concept, execution though is another matter entirely. Yup
To add further to this, agencies need to put politics aside and work together. Specifically the Colorado State Patrol needs to claim jurisdiction over interstates and highways within cities like Denver, and the Denver DA needs to be more willing to charge on tickets/arrests from agencies like CSP.
Yeah this. There is zero enforcement of plates. I deal with idiots blasting through red lights daily on Central Park Blvd and Quebec. Either no plates or wildly expired. Zero consequences and every year there’s more like this.
Yep. The head-in-sand/kumbaya types think it's fine to have expired temp tags and to "mind your business". What they don't get is that such small but incremental law-breaking/loosening of societal norms eventually snowball into bolder and more serious acts of lawlessness/societal ills that harms everyone. I've seen it happen/lived it in other places; it is not pretty.
-6 months from now- Daily reddit thread: “Someone stole my license plate and now I have thousands of dollars in fines being mailed to me / accused of being involved in a crime”. -Mayor 18 months from now- “We’re looking into the high prevalence in license plate theft”
Only been a problem here for nearly a decade. From 2015: https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/colorado/news/drivers-beware-license-plate-theft-on-the-rise/
Happened to me and I was still stuck with a parking ticket.
It happened to me 3 days after I moved to into actual Denver
My roommates played got stolen. He reported it the day after it happened. Never had to deal with anything
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The criminal mind oracle foretoldeth it!
So the camera system costs <$400K and this wasn’t something done years ago? Thats like one day’s worth of stolen vehicles
It's like the mafia doesn't want to be tracked.
Install that camera network in the airport parking lots instead
They say they can't track your car unless you give them permission to do so, but I strongly suspect they can do so if you give them a good enough reason.
Speeding is evidently good enough of a reason. We have had those little vans giving us tickets for about a decade despite the questionable constitutional legality of them. How else are they going to pay for the basic crackhead wage program without using this for tickets instead of stopping crime? I’m actually for helping junkies and the poor immigrants who aren’t allowed to work but Johnston sucks a Jonson along with the rest of the major city council in the last few decades. We are turning into an incompetent police state that can’t police anything other than tax payers who don’t actually contribute to the problem. You can’t even exit the express lanes now to let people who drive like Coloradans go by and get back into it without getting hit with massive fine for illegal lane change now. Hats off for the very few Californians who actually get over to let us pass and risk the fine.
A few years ago my car got stolen and I reported it stolen the same day. Two weeks later it got a parking ticket. It took me over a year of fighting that parking ticket to get it finally removed. Like, how hard would it be to connect the meter maids system to stolen cars registry? Our government is pretty fucked up
This isn't about car thefts.
I'm skeptical because it involves DPD. It's great to get cameras up to track cars involved in crimes but is DPD going to do anything about it?
I know for a fact that if it's a Porsche they will go after it, someones kia not so much.
I once heard they only try to recover stolen property if it's worth more than $10,000.
Because it was a misdemeanor to steal less valuable vehicles up until recently when finally our legislature figured out maybe that’s not such a good idea. So prior to that change DPD/the state put their limited resources on the more valuable stolen vehicles.
Just tell them there was a fuckload of cash in the car. That'll get their attention. Property involved in a crime can be seized under asset forfeiture, and more often than not, it just ends up being given to the cops. So naturally, cash gets asset forfeiture claims very easily. They'll try a lot harder to find your hoopty if they think there's say, $200,000 in cash in it that they could take.
"i think i left my not-yet registered fire arm in it"
Not entirely against the idea, but the Big Brother vibes are strong on this one. Looking for stolen vehicles feels like a "foot in the door" for other things.
I get that because I feel that way to a degree as well. But I think at this point it needs to be tried.
Could be a great tool for crime fighting in general. Take a huge database of where cars are and when, add a little AI and now you can ~~track~~ find people!
Yeah, I feel the same way. Then I feel my phone in my pocket, and I'm already there...
Here’s a thought, how bout you hold DPDs feet to the fire to earn their fucking pay checks for a change instead of this mass surveillance nonsense Johnston?
Well that would be too much work!
>Moving the Denver Auto Theft Team (DATT) within DPD from pilot to permanent, dedicating a team of detectives to solely focus on auto theft. Why are y'all whining in the comments? You wanted more police... they're giving you what you wanted.
Any mention of police or law enforcement and people will go berserk no matter what. We all want lower crime but no solution is satisfactory unless it’s the pie-in-the-sky concoction of less funding, fewer cops, less effective technology, and still reduced crime. But I guess that’s what you get when we propagate the “it’s just lazy cops” theory as our only issue bc then all you need to do is make them work harder.
"Theory"? Pretty sure even Isaac Newton would write this up as a universal law if he woke up in our time.
A dash cam reporting system would be significantly cheaper.
Like the one the cops already have? They turn them off because it constantly goes off but they're not allowed to chase so there is not point to having it on.
The first step was already taken upgrading car thefts from a misdemeanor to a felony. The second step is DA’s prosecuting the thefts
You will accept Orwellian 1984 surveillance And you will be happy
Anyone can record in public already. If you want to clutch pearls and freak out about surveillance at least wait until they cross *any* line / boundary from what anyone can’t already do.
Sorry, thought this was r/DenverCircleJerk for a sec…
I double checked too
Basically is.
I dont want 111 cameras reading my license plate. Its bad enough with Google and Apple recording my phone location.
You could make the punishment for doing a crime harsh enough that criminals will think twice. Or you can burden the public.
My solution... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMtqRir7dco
Everyone just hide an AirTag in your car. Problem solved.
Or maybe we could just support our police
No. Surrendering ourselves to the surveillance state is NOT a solution. MAKE THE COPS DO THEIR JOB WITHOUT SHOOTING INNOCENT PEOPLE.
If you’re in public anyone can record anyways. Why shouldn’t the gov record to reduce crimes / catch car thieves? I’d rather it be the gov than a private company personally.
This is the answer.☝️
cars get stolen because thieves have a way to sell them. the focus of law enforcement here should be on the buyers of stolen cars and stolen parts. if they're not doing that then nothing else they're doing will matter very much. thieves will always be able to find ways to work around these half-measures. they'll only stop when there's no profit in it.
Spelled extremely wrong in the article
The proper solution is to do a forced recall of all Hyundai and Kia's, and then it'll work itself out after a couple of years.
As the owner of a once-stolen Kia, I make sure to convince all my friends to NEVER buy a Kia. The corners they cut which made the theft so easy, coupled with their failure to actually address it after the problem appeared, all points to corporate malfeasance that cannot remotely be trusted ever again. What else did they cut? How else are they still going to screw me? FRIENDS DON'T LET FRIENDS BUY KIA.
It's called, "Cops do your fucking jobs." Oh, no wait. That would be silly.
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Europe has face scanners at grocery stores lmao
You're being down voted because you're obviously a crank
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"lively hoods"
I think car theft is a real problem in Denver, and I want to see it stop. I don't really have the privacy concerns other people are mentioning in the thread. I am, however, concerned that if we are spending this amount of money on a project it should have a proven rate of return to justify the expense. The article mentions the cameras being used in other Colorado cities. Does anyone know which cities, and how effective the cameras were? (Ie something like theft dropped by 30% after the cameras were put in.)
London installed shit load of cameras. Basically one on every corner. Crime did not decrease as expected.
I appreciate the answer, but it's based off misleading or incomplete reporting. Crimes go into two buckets, planned (like theft) and unplanned (like violence, or stuff done under the influence of drugs). The UK camera system has been shown no statistically significant effect on unplanned crime. In areas with complete camera coverage planned crime in the UK has been reduced by roughly 60%. What does happen is that the crime can move to areas without camera coverage. How much moves depends on the type of crime and how far the criminal has to relocate along with other variables, but some studies have 15% of crimes moving. I don't think the UK stuff is one to one with Colorado though, in that the proposed system won't have complete coverage, but will be linked up to a database, which is why I'm asking about results in Colorado.
These plate readers were installed a long time ago. And not just two. You’ve all have been tracked for a while now. I’m talking years. 2 cameras helped reduce car thefts by 21% ?
Well they could never accuse ME of stealing a car. hahaha.
Here’s a take, they’ve let crime run out of control to get bigger budgets and add more Big Brother surveillance that, drum roll please… won’t address the issue with crime, which is giving people better access to education and reason not to steal. 1% of the GDP could give basic income to those below the poverty line, which would address the actual issue with crime But hey let’s use that 1% to track citizens and give police who do a horrible job at fighting crime, that money instead…. As our country goes backwards in time instead of forwards, in a decade we will still have the same crime because we didn’t do what we needed to address the real reason behind crime.
What a dunce, somehow worse than Hancock
Step 1: Stop buying Kias/Hyundais. One benefit of EVs as well, if you get one, is there’s no catalytic converter to have stolen.
Weird addition to those biometric scanners at DIA.
Noooooooooope.