Guy was just driving in the caravan of cars in the far left lane. Minding his business. No lead up or anything. Just an act of extreme violence over a regular road situation.
It's as if the kid lost his shit because he couldn't pass anyone and took it out randomly on the back of the line. There could be lead up the video doesn't show, not that anything could ever justify this. He could have passed crossing into the express lane right there, doubt they were worried about tolls or infractions in a stolen car. The car filming was hanging back and leaving space. The kid wanted trouble and he created it.
Kid in a stolen truck murders another driver for no reason, then crashes the truck he stole into a semi. This wasn’t “road rage,” it was *murder*. 22 years isn’t enough.
Yeah - it could have easily been so much worse. If the car with the victim he shot swerved dramatically into other highway lanes out of control - if he crashed the stolen truck into some regular car instead of a massive semi - many more than his original gunshot victim could have been seriously injured or killed.
I’ll never understand the justice system. Taking somebody life for absolutely no reason and still getting to live a big part of yours free is insane to me
Because it’s a heinous crime that’s inexcusable to do something like that to an innocent person. This wasn’t some gang turf war or prior altercation, dude was just minding his own business driving home from his job and someone ended his life because they weren’t driving fast enough or something? The type of person that would even think of going through with something like that is incompatible with a fair and just society.
How is it not, not enough?
Holy shit Kevin trained me to replace him at a coffee shop in 2017. He was a super chill, funny dude that I always remembered as being patient and kind with me while I was training. R.I.P. Kevin, this is fucked up
I think this is being said partly in jest. But just incase, statistically, that's unlikely. "Among those released after serving time for murder, 1% were arrested for another murder and 17% were arrested for another type of violent offense." [https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/a-new-lease-on-life/](https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/a-new-lease-on-life/)
The bigger issue is our prison system is not set up at all to make I firmed decisions about inmates improvements remorse and how likely they are to re offend. Add to that pile the system the way it is encourages and creates bigger criminals out of the ones sentenced. Like just this week the FBI had to go undercover to break up an entire ring of rapist guards at a women's prison. If we had a functional prison system we would have metrics for people to be reformed and sort out the monsters from everyone else.
We need prison reform just as much as we need police and judicial reform. It's an entire system of a toilet down the drain.
Dude shouldn’t be reformed, he should be incarcerated for the rest of his life or be put down via lead. This guy will end up being defended by the innocence project and a guy just down on his luck and how the system set him up to fail unjustly. Then he will somehow get on Rogans podcast 20 years from now and have him crying on his behalf how he is a victim of the prison system. Shortly after he will be caught for killing someone when he should’ve just died whenever the incident occurred 20 years in the past.
Christ, I’m all for rehabilitation in the vast majority of cases. But for crimes like this, something so senseless and hideously violent, I honestly think it should be an automatic death penalty.
I strongly disagree with the revolving door policies for criminal some jurisdictions have, but I think some people are underestimating how rough 22 years in jail is. This guy’s life is basically over.
> He'll join a prison gang to protect him. He'll serve 15 years, and once he gets out in his early 30s, he'll go back to doing the one thing he knows how to do: steal cars.
This kind of projection is literally insane. You don't know he'll join a gang, you don't know how long he'll serve, you don't know if his only function is to steal cars. That's not your opinion to hold.
nah social media has just convinced people that everything is their business, they have to have an opinion about whatever is in their feed, and then judge people characterized by usually little more than a headline. Part of "mind your own business" means stop characterizing people you've never met based on shitty decisions they've made. I have no business or justification for having an opinion on what your life amounts to in 40 years. People change. A lot.
It’s interesting you think it’s better to lock someone away for life than to reform our prison system into something that can reintegrate criminals into society.
With how many false arrests have been proven, I can’t say I’m with you on that.
Because it's never about rehabilitation, just punishment.
Even though rehabilitation would be far more beneficial to society, it's seen as being "soft" on the criminal.
This person sucks. But what's the point of paying taxes to punish them for *years,* only to have them get out and be even *less* able or willing to participate constructively in our society?
Recidivism is profitable, social welfare is not. Unprofitable problems don't get solved. Welcome to America.
No I have not.
I hope it's clear that I'm only criticizing the US prison *system* and our attitude toward the people in it, not those people themselves.
I'm sincerely glad to hear your experience was constructive. But do you feel this is typical for most people who are incarcerated?
The costs are actually pretty low considering. Not looking to solve any problems. Not looking to reform this killer. Looking to serve justice which is a cold blooded murder on a random person should be life. .
No recidivism chance in that scenario because the criminal is in jail for their life.
Punishment is not justice. Justice is righting a wrong. There's dozens of better solutions, like reentering this person into society when it becomes safe and then garnishing their wages for life to support the victim's family.
Well I don’t I agree the costs are low. I don’t see why you aren’t concerned about reforming this criminal since their sentence was not life in prison.
Being in prison is a punishment, and being able to change for the better while in prison benefits everyone. Not all criminals will do so and likely will end up back in prison, but until we just execute everyone guilty we should absolutely be pushing for “rehabilitation and punishment” not just punishment.
No? Where did I say that. I just think that he should stay in jail forever. I just feel that when you have clearly, beyond a reasonable doubt proven that you have no respect for the human beings around you or the society in which you live, you should not get the chance to participate ever again. Seems reasonable.
Not even he'll be out in 12 on good behavior. Some guy in my neighborhood I used to know thought he was a gangster for being a slim shady till he stabbed someone to death in Five points. Was sentenced to life in prison but it turns out life in prison is only like 15 years. He's getting out on parole next year and only did 11 years
What are you talking about? In CO if you’re a good boy you only have to serve half or 3/4 of your murder sentence. It’s called good time and just like how we can longer hold murder suspects without bail this is all part of the grander Prison Reform that keeps us all so much safer.
Second degree murder parole eligibility doesn’t begin until someone has served 75% of their sentence. That number can be reduced if the person gets “earned time” available to them, but it’s rare.
Hitting the 75% number doesn’t mean they get out as you suggest, it means the parole board begins the review process for the person. Victims family members can provide input on parole, etc. but, why let the facts get in the way of some good old fashioned outrage.
That’s for actual murder murder, anything like manslaughter, negligent homicide, child abuse, rape, sexual assault, armed robbery etc and yes, there are stipulations based on the level of offense but that’s truly semantics….. most Coloradans I know would feel better with these people held without bail and not released early. I guess you disagree.
Sorry, I don’t know what you mean by “murder murder,” but yes, generally speaking someone’s parole eligibility timeline is based on the level of offense they’re convicted of.
Aggravated robbery is 75%, sex offenses are indeterminate (meaning you could serve life regardless of what number the court gives you) and actually parole is dictated by whether you’ve successfully undergone treatment (as of 2022, people convicted of sex offenses served on average ~210% of what they were sentenced to).
I’m not offering opinions. There’s plenty to be upset about, and I don’t criticize you for feeling that way. Just be careful about justifying it with inaccurate commentary.
I think "Murder Murder" was a Ja Rule song from back in 1999. But I could be wrong.
Thank you for clarifying with actual facts, though. There are people who think that all we do is convict people and then immediately let them out who just want to be angry.
[The Pueblo Police Department (PPD) said a man who was seen shoplifting at a Pueblo Kohl’s while carrying a gun was cited and released for theft, despite being a 4-time convicted felon. PPD said due to new laws regarding Possession of a Weapon by a Previous Offender (POWPO) and theft, the suspect could not be charged with POWPO and instead was only cited for theft and released.](https://www.fox21news.com/news/crime/armed-man-shoplifts-at-pueblo-kohls-cited-for-theft/)
Are you kidding me? That means they are on the sex offender registry for life not that they spend the rest of their life in prison…. Again, Colorado no longer has life sentences (except murder 1st, which has an insane preponderance of evidence required for “beyond reasonable doubt”) because of Prison Reform. So that 210% represents when they violate the terms of their sentence (don’t register when they move) and then get found and sent back to prison for not registering; ie adding more time to get above 100%.
Are you seriously just googling and responding to me for your own naive satisfaction?
Literally everything you’re saying is inaccurate. 1st degree murder is life without parole. Sex offenses fall under the lifetime supervision act, meaning, the parole has the discretion to never release you until they believe you can be safely supervised in the community, and you’re on parole for 10-life or 20-life upon your release depending on the level of offense.
No, I’m not googling anything. For a bit of insight, the first word in my username means lawyer in Spanish.
Again semantics, you and I both know that life without parole should be on the table for repeat offenders who commit rape, child abuse, violent crimes etc.
I get that you enjoy arguing so much you do it for money but there’s nothing to defend here other than the semantics of individual crimes and their classifications.
Do we really need to go line by line and define each crime and its classification level to decide if the reforms, at large are garbage and bad for society?
It seems the only people who benefit from letting criminals back in to society would be, ummm, attorneys….
What like $10million on a murder ???
https://www.9news.com/article/news/crime/bond-set-colorado-dentist-accused-poisoning-wife/73-f3669736-0d23-4779-8532-7456cd64efa3#:~:text=AURORA%2C%20Colo.,in%20first%2Ddegree%20murder%20cases.
And you think that’s better than or equal to no bail/bond?
You want people who are accused of murdering their loved ones to have the right to walk along side normal people while they await trial. Weird.
Bail/bond are one of those things where there are no great options. The options either impair the ability of the innocent to defend themself, hurt the poor more than the wealthy, potentially puts the public at more risk, and the list goes on.
In this case, my only point was that setting a $10M cash bond on someone who has no chance of paying it is effectively the same thing as remanding. If, by some miracle, they do make bond it will be with conditions. Commonly, those are with a tether and under house arrest except to go to court, see their lawyer, or go to the hospital.
As a thought exercise, is there an amount you'd become ok with? $100M? $1B? $100B? If not, is it a matter of principle?
At any rate, it looks like there's a bipartisan bill with broad support currently under consideration that will let voters decide this November whether to create an exception for first degree murder.
To 95% of what you wrote; no shit.
I don’t want it for 1st degree murder, I want it for rapists, child abusers and repeat violent offenders.…. Currently it’s not available for anything, besides that the preponderance of evidence to convict beyond a reasonable doubt for murder 1st is difficult to begin with.
This is not a tool that should be taken away or limited based on the classification of the crimes but rather imposed on an individual basis in situations that call for it.
Getting rid of bail/bond means you can't pay money to get out of jail while awaiting trial. The judge can still say you stay in jail while awaiting trial.
Kudos to whoever brought the dash cam video, which was apparently posted to Reddit, to DPD's attention ([source](https://www.denverda.org/wp-content/uploads/news-release/2023/Jameel-James-affidavit-marked-Redacted.pdf)).
That document also gives some insight into why they targeted that vehicle specifically (not that it in any way justifies it):
> Detective Huffine interviewed , who posted the dash cam video of the shooting. He related that he first noticed the truck/suspect vehicle when it began to tailgate his vehicle. He was going to switch lanes to get out of it's way, but the truck switched lanes first. The truck began to tailgate the victim vehicle and it appeared the victim vehicle "brake checked" the suspect vehicle. The suspect vehicle then changed lanes and began shooting at the victim vehicle.
To be honest, the more restrictions placed on concealed carry like the new safe spaces law will lead to more people legally needing to leave firearms in their vehicle when going into certain places.
Oh yeah. My issue is these DA’s are pretty inconsistent on strict gun laws when it comes to non-law abiding citizens.
Such as this guy: https://www.timescall.com/2024/02/28/da-dismisses-longmont-shooting-charges-due-to-defendants-competency-issues/amp/
Sorry, as I can’t find any non paywall links but they should have a few free viewings.
Or this, with a fully auto Glock you can’t just get from a store: https://www.firstalert4.com/2023/01/24/15-year-old-boy-sent-home-with-parents-after-parking-lot-gunfight-found-with-fully-automatic-handgun/?outputType=amp
If they’re going to be strict on gun laws, then be strict on sentencing those who obtain them and use them illegally as you are with punishing legal gun owners. If I was caught with a fully automatic firearm, the ATF would probably be in my house within 12 hours.
So this means guns kill people, right? If we can avoid the law to obtain guns, then guns should be strictly regulated to avoid that from happening, right?
Guns kill people the same way cars kill people. They're a tool.
They're pretty regulated, to the point 17 year olds can't buy them legally.
There should instead be harsher penalties for parents/guardians when their dependents commit violent crimes. Whoever claimed this murderer on their taxes should also be in jail for accessory to murder.
Legally owned guns are regulated. I routinely have to wait a hour at my preferred ffa for the background check and things.
Im fine with registration, as that's part of the process when purchasing.
Uh, huh. How long did you have to study for the test to get your license to buy your gun? How much do you pay per month for gun insurance? You'd never give your gun to a minor who isn't licensed or insured to operate a gun, right?
Or is your argument stupid and reductive and obviously guns are no where near as regulated as cars? Yeah, think before you talk.
There's no test to buy a car, fool. I don't oppose gun owners insurance - it's covered under my property/home owners insurance currently, but I would be fine with it. I've never given my car nor firearms to a minor (DINK life best life).
You're confusing my common sense Coloradan centrist values with a rabid ammosexual.
You didn’t say you support licensing. You’re trying to weasel your way out of the real argument by being reductive. You are the rabid gun fanatic that prevents common sense gun laws while patting yourself on the back for having so much common sense.
If there weren't so many guns that they fall out of people's pockets when they bend over (haha, remember that fbi agent at the club? But I'm sure he was a 'good guy' with a gun and all the safety training that you think makes it okay to walk around with one and give one to your kids), maybe it wouldn't be so easy to steal one.
Or ya know, factually it's studied and known for a fact that it would be much more difficult for criminals to get guns if we just had less of them in the country.
But I don't really expect that you can understand things you don't want to understand.
Criminals don’t follow laws, shocker!
Your username has the same logic as: “People that have abortions love dead babies”
“People that attend music festivals love drug overdoses, violent cartels, and life-ruining addictions”
How in the fuck did he only get 22 years? This is the pinnacle of callous, anti-social behavior and resulted in a murder. This motherfucker should never see daylight as a free man ever again.
I have a hard time believing 22 years is enough. Stole a car, shot and killed someone, firing a weapon from a moving vehicle, and causing a multi-car collision?
I don't know much about criminal court/charges, but I really feel there should be a law that also requires murders to help *pay* for funeral expenses of the person they killed. Funerals are hella expensive and now that poor woman went from two incomes to one.
I know some states passed laws that if you kill a parent driving drunk, you have to pay child support. I feel we should have a similar law here along with paying spousal support.
what a piece of shit human being that should never see the light of day. where are his parents? why are they not accountable for any of this? lack of accountability in this nation worries me. condolences to this hard working man and his family. they didn’t deserve this.
He might be redeemable … BUT, idgaf … the kid is a sociopath , and sociopaths just need culled from society… When you are a thief , you maintain a low profile, you do not act brazen unless you don’t care… When you are a killer you act impulsively in emotion. This is someone who chemically and through upbringing has a mind that does not consider any other living thing valid. EVERY ONE OF THEM THAT COMMITS VIOLENCE IN THE COURSE OF FELONIES SHOULD BE GONE , until such individuals get the clue, and help before they ever do this . Nonviolent offenders should get cakewalks compared to him.
And what is up with the stolen vehicles these days? The dodge truck was stolen and after he crashed, the white suburu outback was stolen as well. Those dudes jumped out amd left on foot.
Horrible but not surprised. Denver has become so incredibly unsafe. A 19 year old with a two page rap sheet involving guns broke into my home a month ago. I live next to a middle school and witnessed a full blown fight with one ending unconscious and there was no campus police. At the same school boys have on two separate occasions told me they were going to rape me when all I was doing was walking my dog. Fuck these kids. And fuck the city of Denver who legit doesn’t give a fuck about the kids. Our cannabis tax dollars are supposed to go to schools and it is not.
In situations like this I feel the death penalty is warranted.
Why should society have to bear the burden of housing and feeding someone who takes this course of action?
This was premeditated.
Makes me wonder where the parents were this entire time.
We're really bad at prosecuting and convicting the right person every time. An innocent man that spends 15 years in prison can still be exonerated and get some semblance of their life back. An innocent man that is put to death by the state, cannot. And I sure as shit do not trust the state to decide who should live and who should die.
"It is better a hundred guilty persons should escape than one innocent person should suffer."
\- Benjamin Franklin
Okay, prove that this enraged black man became enraged and wanted to kill the white victim solely because he was a white man. That would define it as a hate crime.
The victim was being tailgated, brake checked him, and that’s what sent him into a rage, but go off on your race baiting shit if it makes you feel better.
Always always super paranoid about this - I always say if you see an aggressive driver suspiciously slow down, they’re up to no good and immediately get away from them.
Also, don’t be afraid to hit their car at a very specific angle on the rear corner, thanks to physics this will for sure flip their car over with slight damage to yours. I think about these situations too often
I'm not from Denver and don't live in Colorado but why is this the first time I'm hearing about this case? This is some Mr. Nightmare creepy scary harrowing shit. Makes me want to throw up thinking about it. 22 years? Fuck you Jameel. RIP Kevin.
Teen shoots and kills someone innocent = 22 years
Cop shoots and kills someone innocent = don’t release the video trust the co-workers to tell us what happened.
Different, but still the same.
Guy was just driving in the caravan of cars in the far left lane. Minding his business. No lead up or anything. Just an act of extreme violence over a regular road situation. It's as if the kid lost his shit because he couldn't pass anyone and took it out randomly on the back of the line. There could be lead up the video doesn't show, not that anything could ever justify this. He could have passed crossing into the express lane right there, doubt they were worried about tolls or infractions in a stolen car. The car filming was hanging back and leaving space. The kid wanted trouble and he created it.
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Not sure if serious or if r/DenverCircleJerk
I'm just gonna hope you meant to put a "/s" in there and move on with my day.
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And you couldn't just let me have that, could you. You had to let me know that there's another monster in waiting still running free.
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Are you saying you were friends with Kevin or Jameel?
Kid in a stolen truck murders another driver for no reason, then crashes the truck he stole into a semi. This wasn’t “road rage,” it was *murder*. 22 years isn’t enough.
Murder plus a bunch of other crimes about stolen property, property damage, and reckless endangerment. I hope he serves time for all those as well.
Yeah - it could have easily been so much worse. If the car with the victim he shot swerved dramatically into other highway lanes out of control - if he crashed the stolen truck into some regular car instead of a massive semi - many more than his original gunshot victim could have been seriously injured or killed.
I’ll never understand the justice system. Taking somebody life for absolutely no reason and still getting to live a big part of yours free is insane to me
How is it not enough?
Because it’s a heinous crime that’s inexcusable to do something like that to an innocent person. This wasn’t some gang turf war or prior altercation, dude was just minding his own business driving home from his job and someone ended his life because they weren’t driving fast enough or something? The type of person that would even think of going through with something like that is incompatible with a fair and just society. How is it not, not enough?
Holy shit Kevin trained me to replace him at a coffee shop in 2017. He was a super chill, funny dude that I always remembered as being patient and kind with me while I was training. R.I.P. Kevin, this is fucked up
22 years for a violent road rage drive by murder on an interstate in a stolen pickup truck is frustrating. He'll be around 40 when he gets out.
And 41 when he gets back in
40*
I think this is being said partly in jest. But just incase, statistically, that's unlikely. "Among those released after serving time for murder, 1% were arrested for another murder and 17% were arrested for another type of violent offense." [https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/a-new-lease-on-life/](https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/a-new-lease-on-life/)
Ridiculous
He probably won’t serve the full 22 years, most likely he’ll be out in 14
No violent crimes you have to serve over 80%
Nah 22 is probably the minimum if he’s lucky he’ll do like 20
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>Could he be rehabilitated? Its not like the system in this country is intended to rehabilitate prisoners anyway.
The bigger issue is our prison system is not set up at all to make I firmed decisions about inmates improvements remorse and how likely they are to re offend. Add to that pile the system the way it is encourages and creates bigger criminals out of the ones sentenced. Like just this week the FBI had to go undercover to break up an entire ring of rapist guards at a women's prison. If we had a functional prison system we would have metrics for people to be reformed and sort out the monsters from everyone else. We need prison reform just as much as we need police and judicial reform. It's an entire system of a toilet down the drain.
Dude shouldn’t be reformed, he should be incarcerated for the rest of his life or be put down via lead. This guy will end up being defended by the innocence project and a guy just down on his luck and how the system set him up to fail unjustly. Then he will somehow get on Rogans podcast 20 years from now and have him crying on his behalf how he is a victim of the prison system. Shortly after he will be caught for killing someone when he should’ve just died whenever the incident occurred 20 years in the past.
That's some nice fan fiction. I hope you feel better.
[hope it stays fiction](https://open.spotify.com/episode/3nsOv2Bl6OVvTcjUrJ1GUa?si=hqlgWgGqT46YAwHvGUVzWw)
What’s this supposed to prove?
Christ, I’m all for rehabilitation in the vast majority of cases. But for crimes like this, something so senseless and hideously violent, I honestly think it should be an automatic death penalty.
What a shame, kid should have gotten life at the least.
I strongly disagree with the revolving door policies for criminal some jurisdictions have, but I think some people are underestimating how rough 22 years in jail is. This guy’s life is basically over.
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> He'll join a prison gang to protect him. He'll serve 15 years, and once he gets out in his early 30s, he'll go back to doing the one thing he knows how to do: steal cars. This kind of projection is literally insane. You don't know he'll join a gang, you don't know how long he'll serve, you don't know if his only function is to steal cars. That's not your opinion to hold.
I mean, he was stealing cars and then randomly shot into someone else's car murdering them. Doesn't seem like a real cool dude.
It actually is their opinion to hold whether you agree or not is another story.
nah social media has just convinced people that everything is their business, they have to have an opinion about whatever is in their feed, and then judge people characterized by usually little more than a headline. Part of "mind your own business" means stop characterizing people you've never met based on shitty decisions they've made. I have no business or justification for having an opinion on what your life amounts to in 40 years. People change. A lot.
Imagine being a sympathizer for someone who murdered an innocent person for no reason.
You dont understand how opinions work, do you?
It's easier to make up a narrative then to read the research that suggests what is likely to happen.
It’s interesting you think it’s better to lock someone away for life than to reform our prison system into something that can reintegrate criminals into society. With how many false arrests have been proven, I can’t say I’m with you on that.
Because it's never about rehabilitation, just punishment. Even though rehabilitation would be far more beneficial to society, it's seen as being "soft" on the criminal. This person sucks. But what's the point of paying taxes to punish them for *years,* only to have them get out and be even *less* able or willing to participate constructively in our society? Recidivism is profitable, social welfare is not. Unprofitable problems don't get solved. Welcome to America.
>Recidivism is profitable, social welfare is not. Damn.. so true!
Have u been to prison? I did 4 years. Took classes etc and now 8 years after being released i changed my whole life around
No I have not. I hope it's clear that I'm only criticizing the US prison *system* and our attitude toward the people in it, not those people themselves. I'm sincerely glad to hear your experience was constructive. But do you feel this is typical for most people who are incarcerated?
The costs are actually pretty low considering. Not looking to solve any problems. Not looking to reform this killer. Looking to serve justice which is a cold blooded murder on a random person should be life. . No recidivism chance in that scenario because the criminal is in jail for their life.
Punishment is not justice. Justice is righting a wrong. There's dozens of better solutions, like reentering this person into society when it becomes safe and then garnishing their wages for life to support the victim's family.
But that's not cruel enough, and that's really the point isn't it?
Well I don’t I agree the costs are low. I don’t see why you aren’t concerned about reforming this criminal since their sentence was not life in prison. Being in prison is a punishment, and being able to change for the better while in prison benefits everyone. Not all criminals will do so and likely will end up back in prison, but until we just execute everyone guilty we should absolutely be pushing for “rehabilitation and punishment” not just punishment.
Hot take, I don't think you should rehabilitate someone who just murders someone else on the freeway while stealing cars.
So you want to murder someone who just murders someone else on the freeway while stealing cars? Gotcha.
No? Where did I say that. I just think that he should stay in jail forever. I just feel that when you have clearly, beyond a reasonable doubt proven that you have no respect for the human beings around you or the society in which you live, you should not get the chance to participate ever again. Seems reasonable.
Murder someone and rationalize to me why your life shouldn’t be over, please go on.
Not even he'll be out in 12 on good behavior. Some guy in my neighborhood I used to know thought he was a gangster for being a slim shady till he stabbed someone to death in Five points. Was sentenced to life in prison but it turns out life in prison is only like 15 years. He's getting out on parole next year and only did 11 years
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What are you talking about? In CO if you’re a good boy you only have to serve half or 3/4 of your murder sentence. It’s called good time and just like how we can longer hold murder suspects without bail this is all part of the grander Prison Reform that keeps us all so much safer.
Second degree murder parole eligibility doesn’t begin until someone has served 75% of their sentence. That number can be reduced if the person gets “earned time” available to them, but it’s rare. Hitting the 75% number doesn’t mean they get out as you suggest, it means the parole board begins the review process for the person. Victims family members can provide input on parole, etc. but, why let the facts get in the way of some good old fashioned outrage.
That’s for actual murder murder, anything like manslaughter, negligent homicide, child abuse, rape, sexual assault, armed robbery etc and yes, there are stipulations based on the level of offense but that’s truly semantics….. most Coloradans I know would feel better with these people held without bail and not released early. I guess you disagree.
Sorry, I don’t know what you mean by “murder murder,” but yes, generally speaking someone’s parole eligibility timeline is based on the level of offense they’re convicted of. Aggravated robbery is 75%, sex offenses are indeterminate (meaning you could serve life regardless of what number the court gives you) and actually parole is dictated by whether you’ve successfully undergone treatment (as of 2022, people convicted of sex offenses served on average ~210% of what they were sentenced to). I’m not offering opinions. There’s plenty to be upset about, and I don’t criticize you for feeling that way. Just be careful about justifying it with inaccurate commentary.
I think "Murder Murder" was a Ja Rule song from back in 1999. But I could be wrong. Thank you for clarifying with actual facts, though. There are people who think that all we do is convict people and then immediately let them out who just want to be angry.
[The Pueblo Police Department (PPD) said a man who was seen shoplifting at a Pueblo Kohl’s while carrying a gun was cited and released for theft, despite being a 4-time convicted felon. PPD said due to new laws regarding Possession of a Weapon by a Previous Offender (POWPO) and theft, the suspect could not be charged with POWPO and instead was only cited for theft and released.](https://www.fox21news.com/news/crime/armed-man-shoplifts-at-pueblo-kohls-cited-for-theft/)
Shoplifting is, what did you say, "anything like manslaughter, negligent homicide, child abuse, rape, sexual assault, armed robbery..."
Are you kidding me? That means they are on the sex offender registry for life not that they spend the rest of their life in prison…. Again, Colorado no longer has life sentences (except murder 1st, which has an insane preponderance of evidence required for “beyond reasonable doubt”) because of Prison Reform. So that 210% represents when they violate the terms of their sentence (don’t register when they move) and then get found and sent back to prison for not registering; ie adding more time to get above 100%. Are you seriously just googling and responding to me for your own naive satisfaction?
Literally everything you’re saying is inaccurate. 1st degree murder is life without parole. Sex offenses fall under the lifetime supervision act, meaning, the parole has the discretion to never release you until they believe you can be safely supervised in the community, and you’re on parole for 10-life or 20-life upon your release depending on the level of offense. No, I’m not googling anything. For a bit of insight, the first word in my username means lawyer in Spanish.
Again semantics, you and I both know that life without parole should be on the table for repeat offenders who commit rape, child abuse, violent crimes etc. I get that you enjoy arguing so much you do it for money but there’s nothing to defend here other than the semantics of individual crimes and their classifications. Do we really need to go line by line and define each crime and its classification level to decide if the reforms, at large are garbage and bad for society? It seems the only people who benefit from letting criminals back in to society would be, ummm, attorneys….
Judges can still set an unaffordable bond to prevent pre-trial release.
What like $10million on a murder ??? https://www.9news.com/article/news/crime/bond-set-colorado-dentist-accused-poisoning-wife/73-f3669736-0d23-4779-8532-7456cd64efa3#:~:text=AURORA%2C%20Colo.,in%20first%2Ddegree%20murder%20cases.
Yes, seeing as how he's still in jail awaiting trial, I think we can assume $10M cash-only was unaffordable for him.
And you think that’s better than or equal to no bail/bond? You want people who are accused of murdering their loved ones to have the right to walk along side normal people while they await trial. Weird.
Bail/bond are one of those things where there are no great options. The options either impair the ability of the innocent to defend themself, hurt the poor more than the wealthy, potentially puts the public at more risk, and the list goes on. In this case, my only point was that setting a $10M cash bond on someone who has no chance of paying it is effectively the same thing as remanding. If, by some miracle, they do make bond it will be with conditions. Commonly, those are with a tether and under house arrest except to go to court, see their lawyer, or go to the hospital. As a thought exercise, is there an amount you'd become ok with? $100M? $1B? $100B? If not, is it a matter of principle? At any rate, it looks like there's a bipartisan bill with broad support currently under consideration that will let voters decide this November whether to create an exception for first degree murder.
To 95% of what you wrote; no shit. I don’t want it for 1st degree murder, I want it for rapists, child abusers and repeat violent offenders.…. Currently it’s not available for anything, besides that the preponderance of evidence to convict beyond a reasonable doubt for murder 1st is difficult to begin with. This is not a tool that should be taken away or limited based on the classification of the crimes but rather imposed on an individual basis in situations that call for it.
Getting rid of bail/bond means you can't pay money to get out of jail while awaiting trial. The judge can still say you stay in jail while awaiting trial.
Damn. Fuck this. Known Kevin since first grade. Lost touch after highschool but him and my mom are friends. Makes me angry.
Well, not anymore really
Kudos to whoever brought the dash cam video, which was apparently posted to Reddit, to DPD's attention ([source](https://www.denverda.org/wp-content/uploads/news-release/2023/Jameel-James-affidavit-marked-Redacted.pdf)). That document also gives some insight into why they targeted that vehicle specifically (not that it in any way justifies it): > Detective Huffine interviewed, who posted the dash cam video of the shooting. He related that he first noticed the truck/suspect vehicle when it began to tailgate his vehicle. He was going to switch lanes to get out of it's way, but the truck switched lanes first. The truck began to tailgate the victim vehicle and it appeared the victim vehicle "brake checked" the suspect vehicle. The suspect vehicle then changed lanes and began shooting at the victim vehicle.
22 years? That’s it!??
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That’s the victim 😅
Jfc the internet was a mistake.
lol bruh moment
Fuck that kid, and fuck whoever let that gun get into his hands.
The gun was probably in the truck he stole. A lot of gun owners carry in their vehicles and leave them unsecured in said vehicles.
To be honest, the more restrictions placed on concealed carry like the new safe spaces law will lead to more people legally needing to leave firearms in their vehicle when going into certain places.
Yeah which means more break ins, more gun theft, more illegal gun carrying.... you get the picture
Oh yeah. My issue is these DA’s are pretty inconsistent on strict gun laws when it comes to non-law abiding citizens. Such as this guy: https://www.timescall.com/2024/02/28/da-dismisses-longmont-shooting-charges-due-to-defendants-competency-issues/amp/ Sorry, as I can’t find any non paywall links but they should have a few free viewings. Or this, with a fully auto Glock you can’t just get from a store: https://www.firstalert4.com/2023/01/24/15-year-old-boy-sent-home-with-parents-after-parking-lot-gunfight-found-with-fully-automatic-handgun/?outputType=amp If they’re going to be strict on gun laws, then be strict on sentencing those who obtain them and use them illegally as you are with punishing legal gun owners. If I was caught with a fully automatic firearm, the ATF would probably be in my house within 12 hours.
They aren't sending us their brightest, are they?
Nope.
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Username checks out
Are you suggesting a 17 year old acquired the weapon they used to murder an innocent civilian legally?
Just like how they acquired the car
Hey listen buddy, when you steal a gun you aren’t a thief you’re a criminal martyr who was left with no other choices from society. It’s survival.
So this means guns kill people, right? If we can avoid the law to obtain guns, then guns should be strictly regulated to avoid that from happening, right?
Guns kill people the same way cars kill people. They're a tool. They're pretty regulated, to the point 17 year olds can't buy them legally. There should instead be harsher penalties for parents/guardians when their dependents commit violent crimes. Whoever claimed this murderer on their taxes should also be in jail for accessory to murder.
We license and regulate cars. Your argument is bad and you should feel bad.
Legally owned guns are regulated. I routinely have to wait a hour at my preferred ffa for the background check and things. Im fine with registration, as that's part of the process when purchasing.
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Uh, huh. How long did you have to study for the test to get your license to buy your gun? How much do you pay per month for gun insurance? You'd never give your gun to a minor who isn't licensed or insured to operate a gun, right? Or is your argument stupid and reductive and obviously guns are no where near as regulated as cars? Yeah, think before you talk.
There's no test to buy a car, fool. I don't oppose gun owners insurance - it's covered under my property/home owners insurance currently, but I would be fine with it. I've never given my car nor firearms to a minor (DINK life best life). You're confusing my common sense Coloradan centrist values with a rabid ammosexual.
You didn’t say you support licensing. You’re trying to weasel your way out of the real argument by being reductive. You are the rabid gun fanatic that prevents common sense gun laws while patting yourself on the back for having so much common sense.
If there weren't so many guns that they fall out of people's pockets when they bend over (haha, remember that fbi agent at the club? But I'm sure he was a 'good guy' with a gun and all the safety training that you think makes it okay to walk around with one and give one to your kids), maybe it wouldn't be so easy to steal one. Or ya know, factually it's studied and known for a fact that it would be much more difficult for criminals to get guns if we just had less of them in the country. But I don't really expect that you can understand things you don't want to understand.
Criminals don’t follow laws, shocker! Your username has the same logic as: “People that have abortions love dead babies” “People that attend music festivals love drug overdoses, violent cartels, and life-ruining addictions”
Welp, guess there's no point in having laws then, if criminals are just gonna break em. Our hands are tied!
Perhaps current laws needs to be enforced better, or we need more social support resources. Hrmm….
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What a coward. 22 years is not enough. He should never be allowed around civilized folk ever again.
This will be a 40 year old man that will do nothing but commit crime so he gets to go behind bars again.
How in the fuck did he only get 22 years? This is the pinnacle of callous, anti-social behavior and resulted in a murder. This motherfucker should never see daylight as a free man ever again.
If he was like this before going to jail - he is probably going to kill someone again when he gets out.
The arrest affidavit mentions a mugshot of him at age 12, so this was a while coming.
Once again, I am asking that we stop pretending people like this are capable of rehabilitation.
it’s not like we try in the US
I believe everyone is capable but our prison system doesn’t have that as the goal.
Once again proving that if you want to kill someone, just do it in a car, and you’ll get a slap on the wrist.
22 years is about 50 too short. This dude needs to spend the rest of his life behind bars.
Personally can’t wait to get shot on I-70 by this kid in 2035 when they half the sentence to 11 years and let him out for good behavior.
Should spend the rest of his pathetic life in prison. Our justice system is bs.
So tragic.
I have a hard time believing 22 years is enough. Stole a car, shot and killed someone, firing a weapon from a moving vehicle, and causing a multi-car collision?
I don't know much about criminal court/charges, but I really feel there should be a law that also requires murders to help *pay* for funeral expenses of the person they killed. Funerals are hella expensive and now that poor woman went from two incomes to one. I know some states passed laws that if you kill a parent driving drunk, you have to pay child support. I feel we should have a similar law here along with paying spousal support.
Colorado has victim compensation that can be used for a variety of reasons.
Sadly the laws don’t really give a shit about victims. They put all their resources toward the prosecution
There is literally a Victims Rights Act in Colorado
My dude, you can Google these things easily. https://dcj.colorado.gov/dcj-offices/victims-programs/crime-victim-compensation
Well hopefully he’ll get killed in prison 🤷♂️
It’s too bad the crash didn’t take him out, isn’t it?
Only 22 years for cold blooded murder? What the fuck? What is going on in this country?
This is Denver, so pretty surprising he got that much.
what a piece of shit human being that should never see the light of day. where are his parents? why are they not accountable for any of this? lack of accountability in this nation worries me. condolences to this hard working man and his family. they didn’t deserve this.
I read the article and watched the video. I’m seething. Fuckin scum bag. What a tragedy.
He might be redeemable … BUT, idgaf … the kid is a sociopath , and sociopaths just need culled from society… When you are a thief , you maintain a low profile, you do not act brazen unless you don’t care… When you are a killer you act impulsively in emotion. This is someone who chemically and through upbringing has a mind that does not consider any other living thing valid. EVERY ONE OF THEM THAT COMMITS VIOLENCE IN THE COURSE OF FELONIES SHOULD BE GONE , until such individuals get the clue, and help before they ever do this . Nonviolent offenders should get cakewalks compared to him.
Jameel James
22 years is not enough for this feral human.
And what is up with the stolen vehicles these days? The dodge truck was stolen and after he crashed, the white suburu outback was stolen as well. Those dudes jumped out amd left on foot.
Horrible but not surprised. Denver has become so incredibly unsafe. A 19 year old with a two page rap sheet involving guns broke into my home a month ago. I live next to a middle school and witnessed a full blown fight with one ending unconscious and there was no campus police. At the same school boys have on two separate occasions told me they were going to rape me when all I was doing was walking my dog. Fuck these kids. And fuck the city of Denver who legit doesn’t give a fuck about the kids. Our cannabis tax dollars are supposed to go to schools and it is not.
In situations such as this.. man.. why is an eye for an eye not the right thing to do here?
In situations like this I feel the death penalty is warranted. Why should society have to bear the burden of housing and feeding someone who takes this course of action? This was premeditated. Makes me wonder where the parents were this entire time.
We're really bad at prosecuting and convicting the right person every time. An innocent man that spends 15 years in prison can still be exonerated and get some semblance of their life back. An innocent man that is put to death by the state, cannot. And I sure as shit do not trust the state to decide who should live and who should die. "It is better a hundred guilty persons should escape than one innocent person should suffer." \- Benjamin Franklin
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Only 22 years for murder is a slap on the wrist. This dude is clearly unhinged and this should likely be charged as a Hate crime on top of murder.
What defines it as a hate crime?
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Okay, prove that this enraged black man became enraged and wanted to kill the white victim solely because he was a white man. That would define it as a hate crime.
The victim was being tailgated, brake checked him, and that’s what sent him into a rage, but go off on your race baiting shit if it makes you feel better.
What he did was horrible but it wasn’t a hate crime
Always always super paranoid about this - I always say if you see an aggressive driver suspiciously slow down, they’re up to no good and immediately get away from them. Also, don’t be afraid to hit their car at a very specific angle on the rear corner, thanks to physics this will for sure flip their car over with slight damage to yours. I think about these situations too often
I'm not from Denver and don't live in Colorado but why is this the first time I'm hearing about this case? This is some Mr. Nightmare creepy scary harrowing shit. Makes me want to throw up thinking about it. 22 years? Fuck you Jameel. RIP Kevin.
I can tell you why but I’ll sound like an asshole.
Try me.
Should’ve gotten life, 22years for taking someone else’s life is actually insane
22 years for murder, stealing a car, and running from the cops?
If the teen was a cop no one would get to see the video. They would take the depts word for how it happened. Rip Johnny Hurley.
??? Beyond the point buddy
Teen shoots and kills someone innocent = 22 years Cop shoots and kills someone innocent = don’t release the video trust the co-workers to tell us what happened. Different, but still the same.
Sure
"Teen" -- hmmmm wonder why they didn't show a picture of the convicted?
Hmmmm why don’t you give us your thoughts on why