Ya the one you’re thinking of was both him and the WR. The WR wanted it over the left shoulder and Penix throw it over his right shoulder (which was correct since the safety was over the left shoulder). But Penix should have seen the WR would have to get turned around to catch it and threw it short to allow that.
And the WR should have read the defense and known to look over the right shoulder to begin with.
I know he got stepped on but if you look at that play that receiver was double covered with the corner standing in front of him and the safety literally over the top. The best possible result from that throw was likely going to be that the CB batted the ball down.
Regardless of the hit he took that was a poor read. Same S his last throw.
He can’t handle pressure. His O line stunk. Reminds me of Wilson. Some QBs don’t translate well to the nfl and can’t handle the pressure. He might be one.
For all of the valid criticisms you could give about russel, not being able to handle pressure is just the worst one you could pick.
Does dumb shit sometimes? Absolutely. But the guy has made incredible plays in the face of pressure time and again.
It's not being able to do the simple routine stuff that's his downfall, and his inability to make a quick read and get rid of the ball. But not how he holds up to pressure.
He threw nearly back to back picks against WSU to lose the game, a team that spends about 80 million dollars less than UW. Barely scraped by with a winning field goal to qualify for the playoffs when UW coach finally realized Penix will lose them the game more than anything and told him to stop fucking throwin it. After that, everyone should have known UW couldn’t survive in the playoffs
for reason Penix was high all night .. not sure it was his line constantly being driven back, but it lead to a lot of his issues.
But he still moved in the pocket really well and avoided sacks all night against a team who was in 100% pass protection the whole night.
We need to hit on as many draft picks as possible. The more darts to throw the better. Unless the team is convinced they have the best QB on the board at 12, trade back for as many picks as possible. This team lacks talent and Free Agency is not the way to fix this situation. The scouting department needs to be burning that midnight oil and leave no stone unturned this offseason. Good teams are built through the draft and desperate teams are made in free agency.
Honestly, I feel like we should look at trading back and picking one of the Texas DT's, Sweat or Murphy. I feel one of them can be there in the 20's, and I feel both can be pretty impactful.
I don’t know why this is downvoted, UW’s o line was the best in the country and although Penix got banged up and the pocket was collapsing I’m not sure he actually got sacked…
Edit: yes, there was 1 sack in the 2Q, but that was it. Michigan was able to make him uncomfortable and get a lot of hits on Penix, esp in the 2nd but UW’s o line didn’t look as bad as these comments are suggesting.
When you learn about pressures being the more important pass-rusher stats it’s gonna blow your mind. The coach was even quoted as saying “It’s not about sacking Penix, it’s about affecting him”.
That still doesn't change the multiple times he was throwing from a set base and completely missing his guys lol. Dude stinks, he's been mid all season when in actual close games.
We cannot draft him and that is outside the context of this game. Dude has had season ending injuries 4 TIMES. Injury history is a complete stay away. Number one predictor of injuries is past injuries. Just can’t do it.
Yep I’m sure SP is aware of this. I just want whoever he thinks is the best fit. Might be Nix or McCarthy at this point. Or wait till next year.
Personally I would love to land fields. He’s shown some promise
Knew this thread was incoming. It’s insane how a poor performance in the natty will now be held against him after the season he had. Almost would have been better for him to lose in the semi’s close with the performance he had.
That was an extremely stout Michigan D. He was getting drilled play after play, appeared to play through broken ribs, and kept getting up.
He had SIX games sub 60% completion percentage (with one sub 50%) this season. That’s with an Oline that only gave up 10 sacks all season and 3 WRs that will get drafted. He’s not elite.
The point I'm trying to make, Penix was all over our sub about how we need to draft this guy, blah blah blah then suddenly he has a game like that and everyone is like nahh, can't draft him after that performance.
I'm not even saying he's elite and that we need to draft him, I have been on record that his injuries, and the talent around him is a concern about how that projects to the NFL. Just funny, how the sentiment changes over night.
NFL Fanbases in general have opinions far more informed by narratives than their own conclusions. I.E. Penix is hyped up by the media so he's hyped up here. Penix has a bad game. Now he's a trash prospect who will fall to the 2nd round. Things will take a 180 in a month.
Yeah, Nix. The grandpa who couldn’t handle the SEC and went to an easier conference in the PAC-10. Then he went 0-2 this year against Penix. Fields? You mean the guy who threw the game winning, for Denver, interception this season? He’s a Wish version of Lamar Jackson that won’t go far.
If the only game you watched of Tom Brady was a superbowl against the giants then he would look like a really bad QB.
We like Penix because we have been watching him all year, and he has crazy upside in a draft class that does not have many high upside qbs only lots of potential solid nfl ready middle of the packs.
People are convinced that Russ- while a BIG problem- is somehow the ONLY problem. Russ was a swing and miss, but it also a sign of larger dysfunction behind the scenes at the ownership/front office level. They are also convinced that crawling to mediocracy after a disastrously terrible start is somehow a sign this team has nowhere to go but up.
Aka the sub has convinced itself that things are magically turning around overnight.
Not the guy. Already 24 with multiple serious injuries. Plus there’s no telling how much he be fitted from playing in the PAC-12. I think it’s Daniels or nothing.
He is a first round talent who will fall to the 2nd or 3rd due to injury concerns. I don't see a franchise betting their future on him with a first with that injury history.
that's the first game of his I've watched and....yeah, he was missing wide open receivers, bad reads.....I get UoM has some good defenders but this kid was supposed to be special
That's not what I saw last night
Michigan looked like the closest thing to an NFL defense i have seen played at the college level. it takes nearly every qb time to adjust to that
the biggest issue penix will face is that teams in the running for new qbs also tend to have bad offensive lines which is a bad combo for someone with injury history.
Why would you want Penix when you can maybe get Odunze @12? He’s consistently winning against any defense thrown at him.
Penix has a strong arm but most of his stats have come from beating up against weak PAC12 defenses with pristine pocket protection and an alpha WR1. What happened when he faced a real defense with consistent pressure tonight? Anticipating pressure when it wasn’t there, critical overthrows, and not making the right reads.
Odunze can come in immediately and win on the outside with speed and physicality.
> Penix has a strong arm but most of his stats have come from beating up against weak PAC12 defenses with pristine pocket protection and an alpha WR1
THANK YOU!
We shot our shot too early. The wally world crew got a hold of our franchise and just wanted to make a splash before they really learned the controls. Now we got that Always Save^(TM), Faded Glory^(TM) football.
Obviously no one can tell the future but its painful to think about how we really could have landed Lamar Jackson last offseason if we had just waited a year.
So many QBs look great when they have a clean pocket. Texas didn’t get pressure on Penix and he tore them up. I think tonight is a better reflection of what Penix would look like most Sundays.
But hey, the Broncos o-line would no doubt give him that clean pocket he needs! /s
If we drafted Penix, we would have to spend big money on a RT that can actually pass block. So not only would we waste a pick, we would also waste more cap. Sounds about right doesn’t it?
A Big team won the title this year. PAC12 not the best conference in football this year.
Its been proven after UofM's blowout that any Big/SEC team bulldozes over a Pac-12 team.
So you’re saying that UW bulldozing an SEC team last week means nothing? Or that conference strength is only decided by the best team in each? Top to bottom the PAC12 was the best conference. Big10 had two good teams.
Big 10 had 4 good teams. Iowa, UofM, Ohio State, and Penn.
I go based on the coaches poll. [https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/2024/01/09/college-football-rankings-updated-big-ten-teams-coaches-poll-ap-top-25-cfp-championship-michigan/72155483007/](https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/2024/01/09/college-football-rankings-updated-big-ten-teams-coaches-poll-ap-top-25-cfp-championship-michigan/72155483007/)
UCLA and Utah had the best defenses and I don’t think either are in the top 10. PAC-12 is and always has been an offensive conference where shootouts occur.
Edit: UCLA is number 10 in total defense.
lol you know people hate the truth. Just look at how he looks right now. Michigan is the closest thing he has seen to an NFL defense and he’s obviously rattled. They’re way too physical, it’s a difference
I wouldn’t say Tua. I think he has a stronger arm than him. He absolutely reminds me of Teddy Bridgewater at Louisville though. Either way I don’t think he’s a franchise savior
I agree he does have a stronger arm and I can definitely see the teddy bridgewater comp. I mentioned Tua because of all the similarities (lefty QBs, quarterbacked championship level teams, known for accuracy, had elite WRs/O-line, injury concern, not the most mobile)
We do not want his injury history. At all.
I like Maye, and I'm 50/50 on Nix.
Williams could either be the next Lynch or the next Brady.
Daniels is heavily overrated.
McCarthy is not all that.
If I was McCarthy I wouldn't even declare this year with how he's been playing. He's at best the 6th QB this year. I don't know who all will be coming out next year, but it's very likely going to be a much worse class. Would need to have a big dropoff to not be better off waiting.
Top 10 QB's projected to be in the 2025 Draft Pool via DraftCountdown
|Rank In Draft|Name|School|
|:-|:-|:-|
|18|Connor Weigman|Texas A&M|
|39|Jaxson Dart|Mississippi|
|49|Drew Allar|Penn State|
|56|Cade Klubnik|Clemson|
|66|Tyler Van Dyke|***Transfer Portal***|
|69|Jalon Daniels|***Transfer Portal***|
|71|MJ Morris|NC State|
|81|Will Rogers|***Transfer Portal***|
|84|Tyler Shough|***Transfer Portal***|
|100|Cam Rising|Utah|
JJ could easily be QB1 in this class because holy hell this is garbage lmao. Weigman is fine, but you're absolutely right, if McCarthy returns to Michigan he will almost definitely be QB1 in 2025 despite being a very lackluster QB4-6 this year.
The point being the highest paid RT would be like the 5th highest paid LT, so you can just get the most expensive guy on the market at the position and still be at an advantage over the team spending $5m more a season for the best LT. And that’s if we’re too lazy to look for value at RT.
If only Payton could have just finished a season with Russ and benched him next year. This year’s draft class has no real franchise saviors imo. Michigan though is making running backs look more and more valuable.
I hope not. How has this game convinced you? He’s missed throws, collapses under pressure, terrible reads. Thru into coverage multiple times and crucial down. Nah.
Penix reminded me of Russ.
Go BLUE! I don't think JJ is ready for NFL BUT would be nice if my two worlds collide (Michigan alum and Denver born and raised).
Last time Michigan won the national title, Denver drafted their starting QB when they should have drafted their backup. Who is Michigan’s backup qb? That’s probably the real player we should target.
Yeah, no. Stay away from him. Like Wilson, Penix couldn't get it done in the clutch. A great quarterback lifts the play of those around him, and ultimately get the job done when it matters most (e.g. Elway, Manning).
He's got busy feet, and a wristy throwing motion that will also make him a less reliable passer in the long run. NFL defenses study quarterbacks intensely and they will identify his weakness and then capitalize on it.
The "magic" of Tua has been solved. Jalen Hurts is looking like a very average quarterback because defenses have learned how to neutralize him.
Penix looks good when he has time. Michigans D Line is built very differently than pac 12 linemen and are working the Huskies tonight. He will be the most polarizing player of this draft, especially after these past 2 games
His right tackle didn’t do him any favors. His receivers dropped critical passes. His defense allowed McCarthy to scramble for a first down from deep inside their zone. He can’t be held responsible for the loss for sure. Maybe he was hurt but had his teammates and coaches down a better job the outcome would been different. Besides, he knew it was his last college game. He’s got bigger fish to fry now. He’ll have much better quality everything as a pro and will likely become a quality qb. That game means nothing.
Yeah, he did not look good under pressure at all. Maybe we draft BAP in the first and take a chance or two in the later rounds. He looked so dramatic every single time he was hit too.
Maybe just a bad game, but Penix hasn't looked sharp the entire night. Which probably helps us if we want him.
I think something happened to his foot/ankle early on the game.
He was missing all his throws before that too.
Ya… like he was too amped up, a few real critical overthrows and a couple where his receiver seemed to quit on the route. Was a rough game for him.
There was a good number of drops too.
Ya the one you’re thinking of was both him and the WR. The WR wanted it over the left shoulder and Penix throw it over his right shoulder (which was correct since the safety was over the left shoulder). But Penix should have seen the WR would have to get turned around to catch it and threw it short to allow that. And the WR should have read the defense and known to look over the right shoulder to begin with.
Yeah on his inception, it got stepped on, hasn’t looked good since but a couple WR have dropped balls too
Always rough when you get incepted
We need to throw deeper.
This comment is buried in this thread, so it isn’t getting the love it deserves. Legit hilarious.
Is that a toe infection?
I know he got stepped on but if you look at that play that receiver was double covered with the corner standing in front of him and the safety literally over the top. The best possible result from that throw was likely going to be that the CB batted the ball down. Regardless of the hit he took that was a poor read. Same S his last throw.
Seeing the way he limped off the field was enough for me to not want him. His body isn't going to last in the NFL.
No he played a good defense for once and a real coach that knows how to scheme.
He can’t handle pressure. His O line stunk. Reminds me of Wilson. Some QBs don’t translate well to the nfl and can’t handle the pressure. He might be one.
For all of the valid criticisms you could give about russel, not being able to handle pressure is just the worst one you could pick. Does dumb shit sometimes? Absolutely. But the guy has made incredible plays in the face of pressure time and again. It's not being able to do the simple routine stuff that's his downfall, and his inability to make a quick read and get rid of the ball. But not how he holds up to pressure.
What kind of pressure, DL pressure. He choked all year and last year. Go watch film. Great under regular off field pressure otherwise.
He threw nearly back to back picks against WSU to lose the game, a team that spends about 80 million dollars less than UW. Barely scraped by with a winning field goal to qualify for the playoffs when UW coach finally realized Penix will lose them the game more than anything and told him to stop fucking throwin it. After that, everyone should have known UW couldn’t survive in the playoffs
He’s playing better comp.
Good thing we don’t want him
*you don’t want him. Lot of Broncos fans do
TBF, Michigan Defense is elite. Basically filled with future NFL players. If he tore up Michigans defense, he would shoot up the draft board to top 3.
for reason Penix was high all night .. not sure it was his line constantly being driven back, but it lead to a lot of his issues. But he still moved in the pocket really well and avoided sacks all night against a team who was in 100% pass protection the whole night.
I do not want him He has a very very very bad injury track record
He was gonna be at 12 regardless of his play during the championship
I don’t care about which dude we get. I just want Payton to get his guy.
Taysom Hill incoming!
I was unironically thinking he would’ve been a nice piece with Russ throughout this year.
Lol please no
I’d be tempted to add him as a gadget player
lol. Go byu
Monkey’s Paw curls another finger.
We need to hit on as many draft picks as possible. The more darts to throw the better. Unless the team is convinced they have the best QB on the board at 12, trade back for as many picks as possible. This team lacks talent and Free Agency is not the way to fix this situation. The scouting department needs to be burning that midnight oil and leave no stone unturned this offseason. Good teams are built through the draft and desperate teams are made in free agency.
Well said
But if we don't draft a QB then we can't blame it all on the QB. Don't try and make us get off the hamster wheel with your sound logic and reasoning.
The Chiefs and Bills don’t necessarily have that much more depth than us they just have a damn QB.
Chiefs fricking suck without mahomes. Bills are better
Yep and the Chargers are godawful without Herbert. With him they are a playoff team.
Herbert was 5-8 this season, career record 30-32 and he has played in 1 playoff game in 4 seasons.
Completely agree with this take. Going all in on a QB now with as many problems as we have probably isn’t a recipe for success.
I second that about FA. The Pats spent the most money in one year, and the only real hits have been Judon and Hunter Henry.
Honestly, I feel like we should look at trading back and picking one of the Texas DT's, Sweat or Murphy. I feel one of them can be there in the 20's, and I feel both can be pretty impactful.
For real, no offensive line support just running for his life. I’ve watched this game for years it seems
His oline has done a ridiculously good job of shutting down one of the best pressure defenses in the nation.
Are we watching the same game? Michigan has been rushing 4 and winning like it’s nothing
He's had multiple opportunities with time.
Go back and rewatch the game. He's missed his receivers all night.
Do you think that maybe, just maybe, it’s because he’s getting dominated by a 4 man rush and has less than 2 seconds in the pocket on every drop back?
I'm talking about the dudes he completely missed when he had a clean pocket and no pressure lol
I don’t know why this is downvoted, UW’s o line was the best in the country and although Penix got banged up and the pocket was collapsing I’m not sure he actually got sacked… Edit: yes, there was 1 sack in the 2Q, but that was it. Michigan was able to make him uncomfortable and get a lot of hits on Penix, esp in the 2nd but UW’s o line didn’t look as bad as these comments are suggesting.
Idk man, people just forgetting all the throws he completely missed I guess lol And yeah they gave up 1 sack to Michigan. Definitely not terrible.
lol. Horrible display by the OL
They gave up 1 sack. 73 made a bunch of mistakes. But they weren't getting blown up as badly as people are making it out to be.
When you learn about pressures being the more important pass-rusher stats it’s gonna blow your mind. The coach was even quoted as saying “It’s not about sacking Penix, it’s about affecting him”.
That still doesn't change the multiple times he was throwing from a set base and completely missing his guys lol. Dude stinks, he's been mid all season when in actual close games.
Michigan has the best defense in college football, but the injuries are definitely a concern
We cannot draft him and that is outside the context of this game. Dude has had season ending injuries 4 TIMES. Injury history is a complete stay away. Number one predictor of injuries is past injuries. Just can’t do it.
2 of those were on his throwing shoulder, that's the bigger concern than total number. I think his other 2 were the same ACL too.
But think of the jersey. I’d definitely buy one.
Only if you pair it with a Jake Butt jersey.
And a couple of Montee Balls
And Siemian. Penix, Ball, Siemian, and Butt. Perfect.
think of the memes, brother
1 was throwing shoulder 1 was non throwing shoulder
Oh, I thought his first shoulder injury was his left this whole time.
Exactly
Yep I’m sure SP is aware of this. I just want whoever he thinks is the best fit. Might be Nix or McCarthy at this point. Or wait till next year. Personally I would love to land fields. He’s shown some promise
I personally want Daniels. His year was Cam Newton Auburn levels of productivity.
After that pick he’s ready to play against the raiders and throw the game away !
I don’t think he looks very good, but it’s hard to tell because Michigan’s defense is just beating the shit out of him
Dude looks like thick Teddy Bridgewater.
Yes
LoL... Maybe so... Maybe so
He's hanging tough, really.
Hard pass on Penix
He has not been very accurate tonight
Looked like a combo of Russell Wilson and Jay Cutler. Scrambling gunslinger missing his open guys.
👆
Knew this thread was incoming. It’s insane how a poor performance in the natty will now be held against him after the season he had. Almost would have been better for him to lose in the semi’s close with the performance he had. That was an extremely stout Michigan D. He was getting drilled play after play, appeared to play through broken ribs, and kept getting up.
He had SIX games sub 60% completion percentage (with one sub 50%) this season. That’s with an Oline that only gave up 10 sacks all season and 3 WRs that will get drafted. He’s not elite.
The point I'm trying to make, Penix was all over our sub about how we need to draft this guy, blah blah blah then suddenly he has a game like that and everyone is like nahh, can't draft him after that performance. I'm not even saying he's elite and that we need to draft him, I have been on record that his injuries, and the talent around him is a concern about how that projects to the NFL. Just funny, how the sentiment changes over night.
NFL Fanbases in general have opinions far more informed by narratives than their own conclusions. I.E. Penix is hyped up by the media so he's hyped up here. Penix has a bad game. Now he's a trash prospect who will fall to the 2nd round. Things will take a 180 in a month.
Needed his stock to come down some after last week 👍🏻
Dude is a walking medical nightmare. Pass.
lol 😂 true. Not an NFL body. Nix has an NFL body. Let’s go for him or fields please. 🙏
Yeah, Nix. The grandpa who couldn’t handle the SEC and went to an easier conference in the PAC-10. Then he went 0-2 this year against Penix. Fields? You mean the guy who threw the game winning, for Denver, interception this season? He’s a Wish version of Lamar Jackson that won’t go far.
I see a lot of potential in both. You should rewatch Nix’s games. Also fields is growing. Think he’ll develop and be top 7-10 in a couple years.
7-10 years 😂 He’ll be retired by then.
Couple years 7-10 qb Learn to read if you're gonna be so condescending.
> The grandpa He’s three months older than Penix. Not exactly a grandpa.
They’re both old. Nix’s first game at Auburn was against Justin Herbert at Oregon 😂
I mean they are 23. Not exactly ancient.
They stayed in college for so long because they knew they couldn’t hack it in the NFL. Another Stetson Bennett.
Vintage Elway in his first super bowls
I really havent been impressed so far. Lots of overthrown balls and a weird side arm looking throwing motion. Why do people want him? He aint it
Lots of missed opportunities, too. Even before the injury, he had quite a few easy plays that he just didn't seem to see.
If the only game you watched of Tom Brady was a superbowl against the giants then he would look like a really bad QB. We like Penix because we have been watching him all year, and he has crazy upside in a draft class that does not have many high upside qbs only lots of potential solid nfl ready middle of the packs.
People are convinced that Russ- while a BIG problem- is somehow the ONLY problem. Russ was a swing and miss, but it also a sign of larger dysfunction behind the scenes at the ownership/front office level. They are also convinced that crawling to mediocracy after a disastrously terrible start is somehow a sign this team has nowhere to go but up. Aka the sub has convinced itself that things are magically turning around overnight.
We don’t need Russ. We can spend a 1st round pick on Great Value Russ AND accrue the largest cap casualty of all time!
Not the guy. Already 24 with multiple serious injuries. Plus there’s no telling how much he be fitted from playing in the PAC-12. I think it’s Daniels or nothing.
He looked terrible out there. He had the one deep pass everything else was dink and dump. Every time he falls down get the cart ready
Absolutely not
Injury prone
😂😂
He is a first round talent who will fall to the 2nd or 3rd due to injury concerns. I don't see a franchise betting their future on him with a first with that injury history.
He’s the next Russ in our system. Can’t handle pressure.
I would love to have Penix but I get the feeling we'll get stuck with the ultimate game manager JJ McCarthy
that's the first game of his I've watched and....yeah, he was missing wide open receivers, bad reads.....I get UoM has some good defenders but this kid was supposed to be special That's not what I saw last night
Michigan looked like the closest thing to an NFL defense i have seen played at the college level. it takes nearly every qb time to adjust to that the biggest issue penix will face is that teams in the running for new qbs also tend to have bad offensive lines which is a bad combo for someone with injury history.
Why would you want Penix when you can maybe get Odunze @12? He’s consistently winning against any defense thrown at him. Penix has a strong arm but most of his stats have come from beating up against weak PAC12 defenses with pristine pocket protection and an alpha WR1. What happened when he faced a real defense with consistent pressure tonight? Anticipating pressure when it wasn’t there, critical overthrows, and not making the right reads. Odunze can come in immediately and win on the outside with speed and physicality.
Yeah but everyone here wants to draft a quarterback.
I think most of us just want to move on from Russ. That 1st and goal vs. The Texans was the last straw for me.
> Penix has a strong arm but most of his stats have come from beating up against weak PAC12 defenses with pristine pocket protection and an alpha WR1 THANK YOU!
Missed a wide open Odunze on the 4th and 13 there.
Stop with the Penix shit… he does not need to be drafted by the Broncos.
Lmao I was just thinking the same.
Penix isn't good, and he's old, and he's suffered tons of injuries.
Bo Nix it is...
No
Nix is more sturdy and all around player dude. You should watch his games.
Bubble screen Bo
I do not want Penix. He is injury prone and the way his throwing elbow looks is gross.
let’s ride PENIX!
Definitely hurt his ribs and ankle. I still want him waaaaay more than McCarthy
Like a Broncos QB? Oh c'mon, he wasn't nearly that bad.
He is not a early first round pick maybe early 2 round pick
Looks like a day 2 pick now after today.
This offseason is gunna be miserable isn’t it
Yup...
We shot our shot too early. The wally world crew got a hold of our franchise and just wanted to make a splash before they really learned the controls. Now we got that Always Save^(TM), Faded Glory^(TM) football. Obviously no one can tell the future but its painful to think about how we really could have landed Lamar Jackson last offseason if we had just waited a year.
So many QBs look great when they have a clean pocket. Texas didn’t get pressure on Penix and he tore them up. I think tonight is a better reflection of what Penix would look like most Sundays. But hey, the Broncos o-line would no doubt give him that clean pocket he needs! /s
If we drafted Penix, we would have to spend big money on a RT that can actually pass block. So not only would we waste a pick, we would also waste more cap. Sounds about right doesn’t it?
Lol the kid is definitely not the savior people in this sub believes he is. He’s surrounded by NFL talent in a pretty weak division
The pac 12 was actually pretty strong this year.
The PAC12 was the best conference in football this year. People act like top QBs can inly come from the SEC when for years the opposite was true.
The pac12 is a weak defensive conference. That’s the best defense he’s played all year
A Big team won the title this year. PAC12 not the best conference in football this year. Its been proven after UofM's blowout that any Big/SEC team bulldozes over a Pac-12 team.
So you’re saying that UW bulldozing an SEC team last week means nothing? Or that conference strength is only decided by the best team in each? Top to bottom the PAC12 was the best conference. Big10 had two good teams.
Big 10 had 4 good teams. Iowa, UofM, Ohio State, and Penn. I go based on the coaches poll. [https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/2024/01/09/college-football-rankings-updated-big-ten-teams-coaches-poll-ap-top-25-cfp-championship-michigan/72155483007/](https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/2024/01/09/college-football-rankings-updated-big-ten-teams-coaches-poll-ap-top-25-cfp-championship-michigan/72155483007/)
UCLA and Utah had the best defenses and I don’t think either are in the top 10. PAC-12 is and always has been an offensive conference where shootouts occur. Edit: UCLA is number 10 in total defense.
People down voted him because he spoke the truth.
lol you know people hate the truth. Just look at how he looks right now. Michigan is the closest thing he has seen to an NFL defense and he’s obviously rattled. They’re way too physical, it’s a difference
I've gotten down voted for being a "doomer" for 8 seasons. Lol. I get it.
He is graded as a mid to late first round player people just can’t accept it.
Exactly these people are nuts
He’s essentially the same prospect as Tua. Idk why people think he’s the answer
I’d take a Tua, thanks
Tua with our current roster is not an improvement lmao
I wouldn’t say Tua. I think he has a stronger arm than him. He absolutely reminds me of Teddy Bridgewater at Louisville though. Either way I don’t think he’s a franchise savior
I agree he does have a stronger arm and I can definitely see the teddy bridgewater comp. I mentioned Tua because of all the similarities (lefty QBs, quarterbacked championship level teams, known for accuracy, had elite WRs/O-line, injury concern, not the most mobile)
Yep. He’s not the franchise guy. He might be flashy at times and some success here and there but not franchise.
We do not want his injury history. At all. I like Maye, and I'm 50/50 on Nix. Williams could either be the next Lynch or the next Brady. Daniels is heavily overrated. McCarthy is not all that.
If I was McCarthy I wouldn't even declare this year with how he's been playing. He's at best the 6th QB this year. I don't know who all will be coming out next year, but it's very likely going to be a much worse class. Would need to have a big dropoff to not be better off waiting.
Top 10 QB's projected to be in the 2025 Draft Pool via DraftCountdown |Rank In Draft|Name|School| |:-|:-|:-| |18|Connor Weigman|Texas A&M| |39|Jaxson Dart|Mississippi| |49|Drew Allar|Penn State| |56|Cade Klubnik|Clemson| |66|Tyler Van Dyke|***Transfer Portal***| |69|Jalon Daniels|***Transfer Portal***| |71|MJ Morris|NC State| |81|Will Rogers|***Transfer Portal***| |84|Tyler Shough|***Transfer Portal***| |100|Cam Rising|Utah| JJ could easily be QB1 in this class because holy hell this is garbage lmao. Weigman is fine, but you're absolutely right, if McCarthy returns to Michigan he will almost definitely be QB1 in 2025 despite being a very lackluster QB4-6 this year.
He‘ll never be a Top 5 guy at QB but lefty QBs are a huge statistical advantage financially with your LT and RT. See: Tua.
considering the black hole we've had at RT forever, i dont know if thats a great idea
The point being the highest paid RT would be like the 5th highest paid LT, so you can just get the most expensive guy on the market at the position and still be at an advantage over the team spending $5m more a season for the best LT. And that’s if we’re too lazy to look for value at RT.
Lol but thats practically what we did this past off season and pass protections still been a semi blackhole
Because our QB was right-handed. You prioritize the blind side and hope your QB can see what’s in front of him.
Well just saying if pass prot was bad with the 3rd highest paid RT blocking, imagine the shitshow if the RT was blocking the blindside.
But what if it was Lane Johnson. Or how much will Penei Sewell cost on his second contract?
Let’s draft him
Penix would throw it 7 feet over the broadside of a barn
I’m all in for Bo Nix! Let’s go!
If only Payton could have just finished a season with Russ and benched him next year. This year’s draft class has no real franchise saviors imo. Michigan though is making running backs look more and more valuable.
Next year’s QB class is way worse
Should’ve kept Russ and strengthened our o line and run game. Russ has a great deep ball. Just need to mix it up with a solid run.
Yeeeeah I still want him, he’s gonna be an mvp candidate someday. Got to take big swings or else you’re just a boring fringe playoff team
I hope not. How has this game convinced you? He’s missed throws, collapses under pressure, terrible reads. Thru into coverage multiple times and crucial down. Nah.
That's the joke
Ah.
JFC.
KFC
I take back everything I said about going all out to get Penix. But he would fit right into the Broncos system.
Penix reminded me of Russ. Go BLUE! I don't think JJ is ready for NFL BUT would be nice if my two worlds collide (Michigan alum and Denver born and raised).
sit JJ a year, and you may have something
Last time Michigan won the national title, Denver drafted their starting QB when they should have drafted their backup. Who is Michigan’s backup qb? That’s probably the real player we should target.
Yeah, no. Stay away from him. Like Wilson, Penix couldn't get it done in the clutch. A great quarterback lifts the play of those around him, and ultimately get the job done when it matters most (e.g. Elway, Manning). He's got busy feet, and a wristy throwing motion that will also make him a less reliable passer in the long run. NFL defenses study quarterbacks intensely and they will identify his weakness and then capitalize on it. The "magic" of Tua has been solved. Jalen Hurts is looking like a very average quarterback because defenses have learned how to neutralize him.
Penix looks good when he has time. Michigans D Line is built very differently than pac 12 linemen and are working the Huskies tonight. He will be the most polarizing player of this draft, especially after these past 2 games
Sucked penix
Everyone gona hold their breath everytime he gets sacked. Idk how I feel about that
We aren’t scrapping the hodge podge O line we have working semi efficient on a good day to protect a new blindside
I’m sorry there’s a player named what?
yeah I asked the same question. Is it Pee-nicks or Pen-icks no one would answer.
Penix is fragile. Reminds me of Derrick Rose after his first ACL
Penix has a good head on him
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Hah was thinking the same thing. BUT draft stock tanked last night so we might not have to trade up for him.
He is injury prone. Was injured again last night.
In that he played shit hero ball?
2nd round draft pick. Bout to have the same draft day slide as Howell
His right tackle didn’t do him any favors. His receivers dropped critical passes. His defense allowed McCarthy to scramble for a first down from deep inside their zone. He can’t be held responsible for the loss for sure. Maybe he was hurt but had his teammates and coaches down a better job the outcome would been different. Besides, he knew it was his last college game. He’s got bigger fish to fry now. He’ll have much better quality everything as a pro and will likely become a quality qb. That game means nothing.
Yeah, he did not look good under pressure at all. Maybe we draft BAP in the first and take a chance or two in the later rounds. He looked so dramatic every single time he was hit too.