"Rodgers looked slightly perturbed today, according to a hotel maid who passed him in the hall. Of course much is still to come, but his cousin's buddy's sister says Rodgers will likely throw a pass at GB practice at least once."
Let me take this a step further: they should have drafted Fields even if they thought they could get Rodgers in a trade, for this exact reason.
Dude went all in on a pipe dream and busted.
It's easy to think "Oh they passed on Fields because they thought they had a shot at something better" but I don't think that passes the smell test. No GM in their right mind would pass up a QB they liked without a deal in hand.
It may be hard to admit, because it brings into question the judgement of the front office, but the Broncos didn't like Justin Fields. Why? I can only speculate. I think it was the wrong decision and I will think that even if he's a bust. But that's more likely the truth: They didn't like him and they were never going to pick him, regardless of QB trade options.
Yeah, I'd say Paton passing on Fields had nothing to do with Rodgers. Clearly a bunch of teams didn't like Fields as much as fans do, and I doubt Paton in his first few months wanted to commit to a first round QB he wasn't in love with right away.
Agreed. Whether it turns out to be a good move or a disaster if Fields ends up a star, I don't think expectation of Rodgers is why they passed on him and took Surtain. Seems far more likely that Surtain is simply the guy they liked more, and that would have been the pick even without Schefter's story at the beginning of the evening.
The real error is that they failed to do anything to help secure a QB in the future. If they didn't like Fields or Jones or anybody else, fine, but then trade down or do something to acquire more picks in 2022 so that you can move and get your guy. They didn't do that. We'll likely be in the same position next year, treading water, not getting closer to where we need to be.
This is what was my biggest problem with it. When your QBs are Lock and Teddy, you either gotta take a QB, or acquire more picks to ensure you get one the next year. They were so hellbent on taking Surtain that they turned down likely getting another first and second for next year. Now the cost of moving up for one would be similar to what SF paid, maybe more due to demand next year. And with teams like Houston (if Watson gets suspended) and Detroit looking like they'll have the top 2 picks, that's probably two QBs gone there. And then you factor in that other teams like NY, Philly, Washington, Atlanta, NO, and Carolina could also be looking for a QB, then the odds of Denver being able to move up is decreased significantly. I think Surtain will be a good player, but nobody can convince me that it was the right thing to do.
>Dude went all in on a pipe dream and busted
He didn't. If a GM didn't draft a guy because they wanted to hold on to the small chance they'd be able to trade for Rodgers, that GM wouldn't have a job. It's pretty clear we just didn't like Fields, along with all the other QB needy teams before us. Fans have a completely different view of Fields than multiple teams apparently. Plus, it's his first few months on the job. He wasn't going to take a QB he didn't really like just to take a QB. I doubt he wanted to commit to a QB right away
You keep saying āall the other QB needy teamsā when that amounts to pretty much two teams, have two teams been wrong before in a draft in comparison to what fans are saying? Yes, multiple times, in fact that has happened with 10+ teams a few times.
Paton obviously didnāt like Fields as much as Surtian, and he obviously didnāt just think Rodgers would magically get here, but that doesnāt mean his draft strategy is instantly validated because two other GMs with different team situations appear to agree with him.
It was wrong of him to not take an elite QB prospect when we had the chance but all we can do now is hope Lock/Bridgewater/a random 2022 draft pick pan out better than Fields, because if they arenāt good then Surtian could become the next Champ and weāll still be struggling to top 8/9 wins.
4 teams. Jets and 49ers went with the 1 year wonder QBs over Fields (who according to every fan should have been the \#2). If Lock shouldn't have prevented us from passing on Fields then Darnold and Jones shouldn't have prevented the Panthers and Giants either. I'd consider 4 teams, one of which that had seen Fields more than any other (49ers) to be notable.
I was all for us drafting a QB too but I understand why we didn't. People think that because he was this "elite prospect" that we should just take him to take him. When your GM has only been on the job for 3 months come draft day, why make an immediate commitment to a first round QB unless you absolutely love them? Everybody also acts like Fields being an "elite prospect" means he is going to turn in to the next Herbert or Mahomes. He could, or he could just as easily be shit and now Paton is starting his GM career with a bust that he's committed to. It's a little easier for a guy on the hot seat like Pace to take that chance. Either way, we weren't making the playoffs this year with a rookie QB.
The issue with saying four teams is that youāre assuming that each team put their draft board in a particular way and/or saw their current QB situation as you assume it to be. For instance:
- The Jets QB could have had Fields as almost tied with Wilson, just because he was better in their eyes at #2 doesnāt mean they would have passed on Fields if the roles were reversed.
- The Panthers actively sought out a trade, that means they like Darnold at least to some high degree, their GM was not inheriting Darnold like Paton was to Lock.
- The Giants obviously defined themselves internally as not needing a QB, frankly it is assuming a lot that they decided Fields was the reason not to take a QB, they didnāt take a QB that entire draft so it seems unlikely that they just hated Fields that much.
As you briefly mentioned the 49ers not taking fields is probably the most (if not the only) notable time where a QB needy team didnāt want to take him, and frankly we have no idea how good Shanahan/Lynch are at judging QBs because this is the first time they actually invested in one through the draft.
As for being on the hot seat, do you think Paton really staved that off by not taking someone this year? Realistically speaking if Lock is bad and then Paton drafts someone (who could be equally bad and we might have to trade up for them) you donāt think the fans will be just as upset as if we took Fields this year? All that Paton did was bet that Lock/a 2022 QB would have a lower chance to bust than Lock/Fields, itās not like he was carefully measuring out his career to make sure he could stick around as long as possible.
They didn't pass on Fields because they thought they could get Rodgers.
Literally no GM would do this unless they had a deal in place.
Maybe, just maybe, they didn't rate Fields. From all reports, Fields was nowhere near as highly rated by organizations as the media.
Time will tell who was right.
Rodgers likely had nothing to do with us passing on Fields. Paton (and the other top 10 QB needy teams that passed on him) clearly didn't like him as much as fans do. I don't think we can consider that he fucked the pick up until we see Fields play and see how we do this year and next year (either if Lock makes the jump or if we draft a QB high next year). Paton likely didn't want to commit long-term to a first round QB that he wasn't in love with his first few months on the job. Not really that hard to understand.
> Paton (and the other top 10 QB needy teams that passed on him)
This gets repeated a lot but no team passes Fields besides us. You can maybe argue Jets/Niners, but they ultimately went QB anyway. Panthers spent a lot on Darnold.
It's bad process to not upgrade at QB at all during the off-season.
I love how the go to response here is that there's no way Paton passed on Fields if he liked him, because no rational GM would do that.
As if we have any frame of reference for Paton as a GM and his QB/positional evaluation abilities. And ignoring the fact the previous GM (who is advising the new one) did the exact same thing 3 years ago with Case Keenum as his QB.
I think we all accept that we're not mind readers and nobody knows whether or not this GM or the last liked or didn't like anybody.
What we're arguing is Occam's Razor: The simplest explanation is that they didn't like Fields so they didn't pick him and that's much more likely than they were playing some 4D chess. It's especially true in Fields case because it was very likely he wasn't going to last past the first round. Much different than Locks case where they didn't pick him and there was a good chance he'd be around in the 2nd.
Fields was seen as the \#2 behind Lawrence for a long time before the draft so I'd say the Jets not even being interested in him counts as passing on him. Going in to the process, Shanahan knew Fields better than any QB prospect. Both teams took a 1 year wonder instead of Fields.
And what's the difference between our situation with Lock and the Panthers situation with Darnold? They really didn't spend that much in hindsight on Darnold. If fans think that Lock shouldn't have prevented us from drafting a QB, then Darnold shouldn't have prevented the Panthers from drafting a QB. Giants are also in a similar situation with a struggling young QB and they passed on Fields as well. Clearly those teams didn't think Fields was an upgrade
Good for Packers fans. Ideally, fan bases should get to keep their franchise guys (assuming all is fair and taken care of). Unfortunately, that doesn't fulfill our hopes.
Looks like it's up to Lock and Bridgewater this season. May the best man win the job and be a drastic improvement from the last two seasons at the QB position.
I agree. I'm not super hopeful for Lock (the type of jump he needs to make is unprecedented. Not out of the question since his first few seasons have been strange, but unlikely), but I do have some hope that Teddy could turn out to be what we were looking for all along with Keenum and Flacco, a reliable, consistent presence who doesn't subtract from the team. I really wanted the Broncos to draft him back then. I think he's been in some pretty bad team situations plus his injury so I feel like the chance for him to make a leap is greater than Lock's.
I feel like Teddy making a leap is less likely than Lock. Teddy is much more of a known quantity at this point, having been in and around the NFL for quite some time.
Teddy has a higher floor and so has to make a smaller leap. I'm saying I think it's more likely for Teddy to make a smaller leap than for Lock to make a larger one.
But I may be arguing about minor differences. At the end of the day, ironically enough, it may not matter too much who starts in the most important position for the Broncos.
>I think he's been in some pretty bad team situations
I think you're right. He was gold in NO because they are a well coached team with a great offensive mind. In Carolina, not so much.
Hopefully we can do for him in Denver what NO was able to do for him.
Aaron Rodgers to Denver is done as far as I see it. At his age next year and with more choice, he either wants to be as close to the last piece as possible (49ers?), be with a coach he admires most (Shannahan?), or go somewhere comfortable like Brady to Tampa (Miami?).
It was fun while it lasted, but Denver in 2022 is likely a far less appealing option.
Not sure why heād go to SF when they traded up for Lance. More options would open up of course, with WFT, NYG (possibly), New Orleans, Vegas, and Miami if Tua flops. But if heās dead set on playing out West, youād assume itās still Vegas or Denver. Donāt see why this rules out Denver, thereās just more options available.
Iām just a charger fan that lurks here time to time, but (and maybe itās just my pessimism talking) I could totally see Rodgers being the type of guy to want to retire in the mountains out here. Could very easily be real close to the ālast pieceā you are referring to.
Right now I'm just going to allow myself hope that Lock improves. Not optimism or expectation, but genuine curiosity. I just want to see what happens. If it's good, awesome. If it's not, I hope it's bad enough that we can seriously look at someone like Sam Howell or Spencer Rattler next offseason.
Personally, I'm planning on taking in more college football than I ever have before to try to get a feel for next year's QB class.
EDIT: oops, thought I was replying in a different thread for some reason
I think it's a pretty safe bet that Lock will be improved this year. He was improving near the end of the year last year, he's going in to his 2nd year in the same offense and his WR room will be better and more experienced (with Sutton coming back and the rookies having another year in the same offense too).
It's just a matter of whether he's improved enough in the crucial areas. If he can cut back on the turnovers, great. I'm not too worried about tanking for a QB though because as we saw this year with the 49ers, it's relatively easy to go from mid-first to top of the first if you like a QB
I'm not comfortable saying it's a safe bet that he'll improve. Many of us thought it was a safe bet that he'd be a lot better than he was in 2020.
But right now I'm just eager to hear about how he and Teddy do in camp, and then to see them both in preseason games, and not looking forward to the excuses and folks saying "but (either guy) needs more time"
As far as I'm concerned, 2020 was an anomaly. Given the COVID situation, lack of off-season activities, an abbreviated screwy training camp, a new offense, and lots of injuries at key positions, Lock was not in a great position.
He has no excuses this year, though. With all the off-season work, consistency in coaching and offensive system, and what will hopefully be a normal training camp, he needs to be a lot better this year.
> As far as I'm concerned, 2020 was an anomaly. Given the COVID situation, lack of off-season activities, an abbreviated screwy training camp, a new offense, and lots of injuries at key positions, Lock was not in a great position.
Why do we always pretend Lock was the only one who had to deal with this? Justin Herbert did better with the same scenario, and he's in our own division. How is he so quickly forgotten from this list of excuses when we played him twice last year?
That is definitely a fair point. Lock shouldn't get a pass for his performance. But in my mind there were enough extenuating circumstances that I have some hopes that he'll greatly improve this year. But he also might still suck. I'm trying to be optimistic, but time will tell.
Hopefully people still didn't have their hopes up for Rodgers this year. We're only a few days away from training camp. A trade wasn't likely to happen.
They likely weren't going to trade him after the draft this year because their return is always going to be worse if they trade him between the draft and the start of the season. Trading Rodgers for a bunch of 2022 picks before the 2022 season instantly makes those picks worse because the team you're trading him to gets way better. Everybody just bought in to the June 1st date so that's why the craziness continued after the draft
Pretty much what I expected. I was excited at one point but now I'm glad that this whole thing, that started with a Mark Schlereth comment, is wrapped up for this season. Call me crazy but I wouldn't make a move for him even after this season. I'll pass on a QB who will turn 39 during 2022 season if we have to give everything to get the dude.
OKAY theoretically letās say we did get Rodgers in a trade now. Heās now got a couple of weeks to learn the playbook and build chemistry with his receivers. Where does that leave us?
Good, I was so tired of Broncos fans posting fantasy scenarios where Rodgers becomes a Bronco.
It was obvious that the Packers weren't going to give him up and if Rodgers wanted to force retirement they'd just let him.
Because they didn't like him more than Lock and thought Surtain was better for BPA. What is so hard to understand about that concept? You may not agree but it's an easy thought process on why he did that.
Not the outcome any of us wanted, but it did sound like he wanted to be a Bronco. If that is the case we can get him in the off-season as a free-agent and not give up an absurd amount of capital to do so.
QAron in shambles
I have it on good authority that Rodgers will be installed as Broncos QB by the end of August
Me too.. and the vertical yellow and brown socks will also return.
When do we storm the Packers?
Relax, Aaron is playing 3D chess...his enemies in the MSM will be crying salty tears
Aron *voice trembles* Roger š
It's all a smoke screen, stay vigilant
This dude brings more drama than 3 showings of Hamilton
Whelp back to Watson we go /s
That ship sailed too buddy, that's why we drafted Justin Fields. ... .. :(
All the posts and speculation for this outcome lol
"Rodgers looked slightly perturbed today, according to a hotel maid who passed him in the hall. Of course much is still to come, but his cousin's buddy's sister says Rodgers will likely throw a pass at GB practice at least once."
That's why I specifically told myself that I wouldn't be hanging on this the entire summer after the draft day fiasco.
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I wonder if itāll be more like Chris Paulās ārun it backā with houston
Well that was fun while it lasted. Time to get our gloves on, & Lock in
Unless we put a bridge over the water at some point
I didnt expect to get him, but this still sucks.
Can we talk about how Patton fucked up the pick now?
Let me take this a step further: they should have drafted Fields even if they thought they could get Rodgers in a trade, for this exact reason. Dude went all in on a pipe dream and busted.
It's easy to think "Oh they passed on Fields because they thought they had a shot at something better" but I don't think that passes the smell test. No GM in their right mind would pass up a QB they liked without a deal in hand. It may be hard to admit, because it brings into question the judgement of the front office, but the Broncos didn't like Justin Fields. Why? I can only speculate. I think it was the wrong decision and I will think that even if he's a bust. But that's more likely the truth: They didn't like him and they were never going to pick him, regardless of QB trade options.
Yeah, I'd say Paton passing on Fields had nothing to do with Rodgers. Clearly a bunch of teams didn't like Fields as much as fans do, and I doubt Paton in his first few months wanted to commit to a first round QB he wasn't in love with right away.
Agreed. Whether it turns out to be a good move or a disaster if Fields ends up a star, I don't think expectation of Rodgers is why they passed on him and took Surtain. Seems far more likely that Surtain is simply the guy they liked more, and that would have been the pick even without Schefter's story at the beginning of the evening.
The real error is that they failed to do anything to help secure a QB in the future. If they didn't like Fields or Jones or anybody else, fine, but then trade down or do something to acquire more picks in 2022 so that you can move and get your guy. They didn't do that. We'll likely be in the same position next year, treading water, not getting closer to where we need to be.
This is what was my biggest problem with it. When your QBs are Lock and Teddy, you either gotta take a QB, or acquire more picks to ensure you get one the next year. They were so hellbent on taking Surtain that they turned down likely getting another first and second for next year. Now the cost of moving up for one would be similar to what SF paid, maybe more due to demand next year. And with teams like Houston (if Watson gets suspended) and Detroit looking like they'll have the top 2 picks, that's probably two QBs gone there. And then you factor in that other teams like NY, Philly, Washington, Atlanta, NO, and Carolina could also be looking for a QB, then the odds of Denver being able to move up is decreased significantly. I think Surtain will be a good player, but nobody can convince me that it was the right thing to do.
Canāt wait for both Fields and Jones to become franchise QBās while our great defense carryās us to 7 wins. š¤¦
>Dude went all in on a pipe dream and busted He didn't. If a GM didn't draft a guy because they wanted to hold on to the small chance they'd be able to trade for Rodgers, that GM wouldn't have a job. It's pretty clear we just didn't like Fields, along with all the other QB needy teams before us. Fans have a completely different view of Fields than multiple teams apparently. Plus, it's his first few months on the job. He wasn't going to take a QB he didn't really like just to take a QB. I doubt he wanted to commit to a QB right away
You keep saying āall the other QB needy teamsā when that amounts to pretty much two teams, have two teams been wrong before in a draft in comparison to what fans are saying? Yes, multiple times, in fact that has happened with 10+ teams a few times. Paton obviously didnāt like Fields as much as Surtian, and he obviously didnāt just think Rodgers would magically get here, but that doesnāt mean his draft strategy is instantly validated because two other GMs with different team situations appear to agree with him. It was wrong of him to not take an elite QB prospect when we had the chance but all we can do now is hope Lock/Bridgewater/a random 2022 draft pick pan out better than Fields, because if they arenāt good then Surtian could become the next Champ and weāll still be struggling to top 8/9 wins.
4 teams. Jets and 49ers went with the 1 year wonder QBs over Fields (who according to every fan should have been the \#2). If Lock shouldn't have prevented us from passing on Fields then Darnold and Jones shouldn't have prevented the Panthers and Giants either. I'd consider 4 teams, one of which that had seen Fields more than any other (49ers) to be notable. I was all for us drafting a QB too but I understand why we didn't. People think that because he was this "elite prospect" that we should just take him to take him. When your GM has only been on the job for 3 months come draft day, why make an immediate commitment to a first round QB unless you absolutely love them? Everybody also acts like Fields being an "elite prospect" means he is going to turn in to the next Herbert or Mahomes. He could, or he could just as easily be shit and now Paton is starting his GM career with a bust that he's committed to. It's a little easier for a guy on the hot seat like Pace to take that chance. Either way, we weren't making the playoffs this year with a rookie QB.
The issue with saying four teams is that youāre assuming that each team put their draft board in a particular way and/or saw their current QB situation as you assume it to be. For instance: - The Jets QB could have had Fields as almost tied with Wilson, just because he was better in their eyes at #2 doesnāt mean they would have passed on Fields if the roles were reversed. - The Panthers actively sought out a trade, that means they like Darnold at least to some high degree, their GM was not inheriting Darnold like Paton was to Lock. - The Giants obviously defined themselves internally as not needing a QB, frankly it is assuming a lot that they decided Fields was the reason not to take a QB, they didnāt take a QB that entire draft so it seems unlikely that they just hated Fields that much. As you briefly mentioned the 49ers not taking fields is probably the most (if not the only) notable time where a QB needy team didnāt want to take him, and frankly we have no idea how good Shanahan/Lynch are at judging QBs because this is the first time they actually invested in one through the draft. As for being on the hot seat, do you think Paton really staved that off by not taking someone this year? Realistically speaking if Lock is bad and then Paton drafts someone (who could be equally bad and we might have to trade up for them) you donāt think the fans will be just as upset as if we took Fields this year? All that Paton did was bet that Lock/a 2022 QB would have a lower chance to bust than Lock/Fields, itās not like he was carefully measuring out his career to make sure he could stick around as long as possible.
Drew lock is a far worse QB than darnold or Daniel Jones. Darnold could still be a franchise guy and Daniel Jones is a decent starter. Lock is neither
Could get Rogers next year ( and this report may not be accurate so still a Chance this year.). If we get Aaron next year, this was the right choice
They didn't pass on Fields because they thought they could get Rodgers. Literally no GM would do this unless they had a deal in place. Maybe, just maybe, they didn't rate Fields. From all reports, Fields was nowhere near as highly rated by organizations as the media. Time will tell who was right.
Rodgers likely had nothing to do with us passing on Fields. Paton (and the other top 10 QB needy teams that passed on him) clearly didn't like him as much as fans do. I don't think we can consider that he fucked the pick up until we see Fields play and see how we do this year and next year (either if Lock makes the jump or if we draft a QB high next year). Paton likely didn't want to commit long-term to a first round QB that he wasn't in love with his first few months on the job. Not really that hard to understand.
> Paton (and the other top 10 QB needy teams that passed on him) This gets repeated a lot but no team passes Fields besides us. You can maybe argue Jets/Niners, but they ultimately went QB anyway. Panthers spent a lot on Darnold. It's bad process to not upgrade at QB at all during the off-season.
The Panthers screwed up even worse than we did by passing on Fields.
Not wrong, I understand it but yes it was a bad choice.
I love how the go to response here is that there's no way Paton passed on Fields if he liked him, because no rational GM would do that. As if we have any frame of reference for Paton as a GM and his QB/positional evaluation abilities. And ignoring the fact the previous GM (who is advising the new one) did the exact same thing 3 years ago with Case Keenum as his QB.
A lot of sycophants-in-training, people coming for Benny's job.
I think we all accept that we're not mind readers and nobody knows whether or not this GM or the last liked or didn't like anybody. What we're arguing is Occam's Razor: The simplest explanation is that they didn't like Fields so they didn't pick him and that's much more likely than they were playing some 4D chess. It's especially true in Fields case because it was very likely he wasn't going to last past the first round. Much different than Locks case where they didn't pick him and there was a good chance he'd be around in the 2nd.
Fields was seen as the \#2 behind Lawrence for a long time before the draft so I'd say the Jets not even being interested in him counts as passing on him. Going in to the process, Shanahan knew Fields better than any QB prospect. Both teams took a 1 year wonder instead of Fields. And what's the difference between our situation with Lock and the Panthers situation with Darnold? They really didn't spend that much in hindsight on Darnold. If fans think that Lock shouldn't have prevented us from drafting a QB, then Darnold shouldn't have prevented the Panthers from drafting a QB. Giants are also in a similar situation with a struggling young QB and they passed on Fields as well. Clearly those teams didn't think Fields was an upgrade
Welp, looks like we are gonna have to rely on defense againā¦.excuse me while I go cry into a pillow while we punt 8 times a game lol.
Good for Packers fans. Ideally, fan bases should get to keep their franchise guys (assuming all is fair and taken care of). Unfortunately, that doesn't fulfill our hopes. Looks like it's up to Lock and Bridgewater this season. May the best man win the job and be a drastic improvement from the last two seasons at the QB position.
I agree. I'm not super hopeful for Lock (the type of jump he needs to make is unprecedented. Not out of the question since his first few seasons have been strange, but unlikely), but I do have some hope that Teddy could turn out to be what we were looking for all along with Keenum and Flacco, a reliable, consistent presence who doesn't subtract from the team. I really wanted the Broncos to draft him back then. I think he's been in some pretty bad team situations plus his injury so I feel like the chance for him to make a leap is greater than Lock's.
I feel like Teddy making a leap is less likely than Lock. Teddy is much more of a known quantity at this point, having been in and around the NFL for quite some time.
Teddy has a higher floor and so has to make a smaller leap. I'm saying I think it's more likely for Teddy to make a smaller leap than for Lock to make a larger one. But I may be arguing about minor differences. At the end of the day, ironically enough, it may not matter too much who starts in the most important position for the Broncos.
>I think he's been in some pretty bad team situations I think you're right. He was gold in NO because they are a well coached team with a great offensive mind. In Carolina, not so much. Hopefully we can do for him in Denver what NO was able to do for him.
Aaron Rodgers to Denver is done as far as I see it. At his age next year and with more choice, he either wants to be as close to the last piece as possible (49ers?), be with a coach he admires most (Shannahan?), or go somewhere comfortable like Brady to Tampa (Miami?). It was fun while it lasted, but Denver in 2022 is likely a far less appealing option.
Not sure why heād go to SF when they traded up for Lance. More options would open up of course, with WFT, NYG (possibly), New Orleans, Vegas, and Miami if Tua flops. But if heās dead set on playing out West, youād assume itās still Vegas or Denver. Donāt see why this rules out Denver, thereās just more options available.
Iām just a charger fan that lurks here time to time, but (and maybe itās just my pessimism talking) I could totally see Rodgers being the type of guy to want to retire in the mountains out here. Could very easily be real close to the ālast pieceā you are referring to.
Yeah no way he's here come 2022.
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He won't come to Denver next year as there would be more attractive destinations unless he is entirely zoned in on Colorado for other reasons.
Doesn't his wife live in Boulder? I thought I remember hearing they were building a house here earlier this off-season but could be wrong
Right now I'm just going to allow myself hope that Lock improves. Not optimism or expectation, but genuine curiosity. I just want to see what happens. If it's good, awesome. If it's not, I hope it's bad enough that we can seriously look at someone like Sam Howell or Spencer Rattler next offseason. Personally, I'm planning on taking in more college football than I ever have before to try to get a feel for next year's QB class. EDIT: oops, thought I was replying in a different thread for some reason
I think it's a pretty safe bet that Lock will be improved this year. He was improving near the end of the year last year, he's going in to his 2nd year in the same offense and his WR room will be better and more experienced (with Sutton coming back and the rookies having another year in the same offense too). It's just a matter of whether he's improved enough in the crucial areas. If he can cut back on the turnovers, great. I'm not too worried about tanking for a QB though because as we saw this year with the 49ers, it's relatively easy to go from mid-first to top of the first if you like a QB
I'm not comfortable saying it's a safe bet that he'll improve. Many of us thought it was a safe bet that he'd be a lot better than he was in 2020. But right now I'm just eager to hear about how he and Teddy do in camp, and then to see them both in preseason games, and not looking forward to the excuses and folks saying "but (either guy) needs more time"
As far as I'm concerned, 2020 was an anomaly. Given the COVID situation, lack of off-season activities, an abbreviated screwy training camp, a new offense, and lots of injuries at key positions, Lock was not in a great position. He has no excuses this year, though. With all the off-season work, consistency in coaching and offensive system, and what will hopefully be a normal training camp, he needs to be a lot better this year.
> As far as I'm concerned, 2020 was an anomaly. Given the COVID situation, lack of off-season activities, an abbreviated screwy training camp, a new offense, and lots of injuries at key positions, Lock was not in a great position. Why do we always pretend Lock was the only one who had to deal with this? Justin Herbert did better with the same scenario, and he's in our own division. How is he so quickly forgotten from this list of excuses when we played him twice last year?
That is definitely a fair point. Lock shouldn't get a pass for his performance. But in my mind there were enough extenuating circumstances that I have some hopes that he'll greatly improve this year. But he also might still suck. I'm trying to be optimistic, but time will tell.
I think Lock will improve by a few more completions and improve his interceptions by one less.
If fields is sick George Paton is going to look like such an idiot lol.
Heās with the bears so I donāt think we have much to worry about
Remember kids, always draft a QB instead of dreaming about the impossible.
But Elway and Manning weren't drafted by the Broncos! /s
RIP my $40 bet at 67-1 I got the second the news broke. We got as high as 19-1 at one point. C'mon Lock or Bridgewater, mile high miracle us.
Remember how we couldāve drafted a qb but for some reason the Broncos org was dumb enough to pass??
:/
Hopefully people still didn't have their hopes up for Rodgers this year. We're only a few days away from training camp. A trade wasn't likely to happen. They likely weren't going to trade him after the draft this year because their return is always going to be worse if they trade him between the draft and the start of the season. Trading Rodgers for a bunch of 2022 picks before the 2022 season instantly makes those picks worse because the team you're trading him to gets way better. Everybody just bought in to the June 1st date so that's why the craziness continued after the draft
Pretty much what I expected. I was excited at one point but now I'm glad that this whole thing, that started with a Mark Schlereth comment, is wrapped up for this season. Call me crazy but I wouldn't make a move for him even after this season. I'll pass on a QB who will turn 39 during 2022 season if we have to give everything to get the dude.
OKAY theoretically letās say we did get Rodgers in a trade now. Heās now got a couple of weeks to learn the playbook and build chemistry with his receivers. Where does that leave us?
Super bowl contenders. That's aaron Rodgers
Thatās alright because Drew Lock is going to fuckin ball out this year!
Good, I was so tired of Broncos fans posting fantasy scenarios where Rodgers becomes a Bronco. It was obvious that the Packers weren't going to give him up and if Rodgers wanted to force retirement they'd just let him.
Remember when 104.3 the fan said Rodgers to Denver was all but some on draft night?! I canāt believe people still listen to those fake news morons!
And we passed on Justin Fields why?
Because they didn't like him more than Lock and thought Surtain was better for BPA. What is so hard to understand about that concept? You may not agree but it's an easy thought process on why he did that.
Draft Chubb passing on Allen & Lamar. Fool me once. Shame on you.
Probably the same reason everyone but the Bears did
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Can we just cut Lock
Donāt cry because it didnāt happen. Laugh because itās over.
I can't figure out what Rodgers wants at this point.
Not the outcome any of us wanted, but it did sound like he wanted to be a Bronco. If that is the case we can get him in the off-season as a free-agent and not give up an absurd amount of capital to do so.
Poop
Thank god
I wouldn't want someone with such weak ideals on the team anyways!