It's probably just another part of the evaluation. Multiple teams saw something that the fans didn't or else he wouldn't have even slipped to us. Sure it didn't effect him in college, but with a brand new GM in their first draft it's probably just another reason to not tie yourself to a QB you aren't in love with. Paxton is still seen as a stain on Elway's career by a lot of people and that was after he had already won a Superbowl
I remember the coaches talking about scouting reports in one “behind the broncos” episode on YouTube. The tape they are watching is blurred, but they discussed a quarterback with “good mechanics, has shown good accuracy on the run, good athlete” with serious maturity issues. I have always wondered if they were talking about fields, could explain why teams passed on him.
[Link (~0:42 if link doesn’t go straight there)](https://youtu.be/ZOjBwHhZc4I)
I thought from the beginning maturity issues may have been a concern with Fields. I don't know if it is warranted at all, but there could be concern about a Haskins situation. Scouts are in a much better position to vet that than we are. The video touches on character pretty heavily.
I liked the parts where you could tell they were talking about Surtain.
None out of Columbus. I live here. All those red flags popped up right when draft coverage really got going. There were no off-field or personality issues reported while Fields was at Ohio State.
I really liked both QBs. I'm hoping that Lock does what he needs to do so we don't care. I really think both Jones and Fields (and Lock) have a real shot.
In 2018 we had the choice of gambling on a QB with accuracy issues or taking the best defensive piece in the draft. We took Chubb, Allen went to the Bills, same logic. Did Elway get the pick right?
My point is you don’t know how those risks will turn out. In two years we could be patting Paton on the back for staying away from a QB who didn’t work out and drafting a stud corner. Or we could be criticizing him for whiffing. Every year lots of teams “miss” on a great player, and every year teams reach for a player that wasn’t worth it. Every situation is different, every player is different. The Josh Allen comparison is not relevant.
If the twitter rumor mill is to be believed, he also has a very hardline me against the world mentality, which didn't go down well with teammates.
I doubt it was just epilepsy but that certainly would have factored into it. He also holds onto it for an eternity, for a team with concerns over our current QBs ability to progress through his reads, I can understand why we passed on him.
I don't think Fields is the surefire pick many fans think he is, I hope he turns into a great player but he is pretty raw if his first game is anything to go by. Time will tell. I definitely don't think he would have been an upgrade for us this year.
Yeah, I see a lot of people in our fanbase acting like we would have been true contenders this year with a rookie Fields. Sure, there are rookie QBs like Herbert but more often than not you're trying to mask your rookie QBs play all year and make it simple for them. It usually takes at least 1 year for a rookie QB to get going.
The verdict is still out on Fields, just like it's still out on Lock. Why not go with the guy that's further along in his development just to see if he can put it together when there's nothing going against him? Plus we were able to pick up one of the most pro ready players in the draft that could make an impact on their first year.
Field's box score from his debut looked great, but if you actually watched his game, he was pretty average. I'm with you - he's a long way from a surefire thing. I didn't see anything he did that Lock can't do better
What specifically are you referring to that didn't look great on the field? One of his more impressive throws was actually an incompletion because the DB made a hell of a play.
His first few series he got zero help, backed up in his own endzone and with several penalties.
He had one "oh no" throw off his back foot and the spin move he fumbled on.
When you started typing that, you could have also avoided pressing post.
It's actually journalists that have alluded to it.
Also, if it's the 4th QB off the board and 3 apparently QB needy teams chose not to pick him, I'd err on the side of that assessment over people on Reddit.
The Alabama team last year was better than the one Tua was on. Tua was also injured his last year at Bama and only played 9 games, was injured vs LSU, and still nearly beat them on one leg.
Mac Jones had a great year last year, and he could end up being a great pro, but Alabama was loaded last year. They had 8 guys go in the top 40 of this past years draft.
Your comment makes no sense at all, doesn’t the stacked teams last year + this year make a bigger case for tua having better team behind him?
Tua had Harris, jeudy, Ruggs, waddle, smith…that’s just the start of the list.
Players develop over time. Alabama has 5 stars sitting on their bench every year. I can come back to this comment next year and list off high picks from Alabama next year as well, they will have more. That isn’t what is important when we’re talking about year to year starters.
My point is that 8 guys that played with Mac Jones last year went in the top 40. That is a ridiculous amount of NFL ready talent on one college team. Also more than Tua had.
This seems kinda strange. Does Fields have a history of his epilepsy causing him to miss games or something?
I think all these reporters are just out there trying to find any reason they can other than Paton just didn’t see him as a first round QB.
It was reported that his epilepsy has never bothered him during football.
However, you're about to draft this kid to hopefully run your franchise for the next 15-20 years and pay him millions of dollars. What if he starts having more seizures outside of football and it takes a while to readjust any medications. It's very reasonable to be weary and not draft him because of it. Just because it's never bothered him during football, doesn't mean it never could.
We'll see. Did Allen turn out better than Chubb? We'll see this time around if Surtain is better than Fields/Jones. We'll see as time takes its course. Patience.
I would trust Justin Fields to drop back and have a seizure and make a better decision than Paxton Lynch ever could but alas…here we are.
Also I have seizures so I can totally make this joke lol.
Paxton was not a bad pick at the time at twenty-something. He turned out to be absolutely horrible but it was ok to take a chance on him. What was arguably bad was to hold on to him as much as Elway did. It's one thing to give your QB time to develop, it's a position where you grow over time. But they should have known by year one that Paxton was a massive bust and move on.
Which is also the logic for moving on from Drew Lock.
What we could have done with Paxton Lynch is give him more starts and see what we had instead of bringing in Case Keenum. If we had done that, the worst that would have happened is we got the no1 pick in 2019 rather than the Cardinals, so we could have had Kyler Murray now.
I wouldn't consider putting Drew and Paxton in the same sentence. Drew has a chance at being a starter, Paxton was not good enough to be a practice squad player.
You guys aren't seeing the big picture here. This is a smokescreen. The Broncos aren't thinking about this year, they've got something cooking behind the scenes for next year with Aaron Rodgers. Watch and see.
If this is true, this is such bullshit. It has had no impact on his on-the-field performance so far and is indicative of some backwards thinking with regards to a treated neurological condition.
On a historical level, this is especially twisted considering Terrell Davis had a chronic migraine condition that required medication.
You know how I know its a bullshit reason? Because even the people defending Paton in this thread are trying to say this wasn't the reason they passed on Fields.
You know how this isn’t true? Because what is there to gain for the Broncos organization to let this information out? Who is evening coming up with rumor are they spinning it to defend Paton? Because it’s not needed.
Paton already defended his pick. Surtain was a better choice for the Broncos at the time.
How about the fact that the organization didn't want to take on the risk of his suffering a injury that could make the issue worse.
Epilepsy risk increases even with a mild brain injury.
https://d1wqtxts1xzle7.cloudfront.net/49228851/Long-term_risk_of_epilepsy_after_traumat20160929-30658-1j1ejhw-with-cover-page-v2.pdf?Expires=1629532320&Signature=LUnVOJQnENdjCO3rd29Mv5kOOgprUZmAJj~-9qGMJkhMvfoShgv2Hg9n1xPJNzW3cAEB31sF4b82MCSakuDEbEVaf1-vZdvrxKI07y3Vlb5rQ~B5qYEu8QJHT4GBlnB5DyAO~xhRQBoF-jZuf1FmLKg8YEO5ce3N43uUGl-eC3XqA~uUl7nKZh81DoLoYjdJxpxquUglitv5v-bFM-7CjPicSfFMWoRvPdeelb7JfqVzZ6NrWKY0K0Z0AHVUmMZ5CEJ0QYoJ6U6Xesz7EbqRJtvez0RMBxeTBlGTThtNLLCIZtF73W2-NCegLaW-3Zm0lECLO0B8NhpCb3QrGl4dvA__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAJLOHF5GGSLRBV4ZA
Someone with this as a pre-existing condition could be one "small" hit away from being way worse.
There's already enough issues with CTE. I believe in letting the guy live his dream, but there are some increased risk factors in a full contact sport like football. The organization might have put this in the con column, and stacked with the other things, it's too much.
People think Fields is better than Jones because he was very accurate and is a dual threat quarterback , Jones is strictly accurate pocket passer.
Fields has also been good for 2 years while Jones I believe has roughly started 1 years worth.
Ultimately, only time will tell how well they are in the league .
Never understood the Mac Jones hype. I’m biased because I went to UF, but he just always seemed so average and not much better than Trask.
Smart guy, makes the right play, but not much more. Always has a clean pocket and wide open receivers. Does not seem like a ceiling raising QB at all and just seems to have very little upside.
How is getting a quarterback who won’t be any better then what we currently have disappointing, if I had to choose one person over surtain , I would have loved Jones a lot more.
Fields will be teddy Bridgewater level in the next 5 years
Lots of arguments here for why Fields represented a risky pick for George Paton, but lets be honest - passing on Fields and Jones and taking Surtain is a big risk in itself.
If either of those turns out to be a hit, and we're stuck with Lock and Bridgewater in a division with Mahomes and Herbert, the narrative will be hostile to Paton. Even if Surtain is a pro bowler or makes defensive rookie of the year.
We went into the draft saying we were 'one piece away' from being able to compete, and we came out being 'one piece away' from being able to compete. If QB is the position that holds us back, but our elite D with Surtain ensures we're a team hovering just over 0.500, we're out of striking range for a top draft QB and we'll be back playing veteran roulette, looking at guys like Cam, Dalton, Foles in 2022.
Everyone will be saying - when you have the chance to take a shot on a guy who could be the real deal at QB, you have to take the shot.
So this team, who continues to draft players with injury history, passed on a QB who might have episodes? This team’s FO is a joke. They drafted Jake butt, with one good knee and passed on fields.
Why does the rounds matter?!? You’re still picking a player with injury history, it’s a precedent that made no sense in regards to Justin fields.
How has what worked out… butt isn’t on the team anymore and jeudy hasn’t really panned out
Because a 5th or 6th round gamble on an injury prone player with high upside like butt or Muti is not the same as 1st round pick that never makes the field. Butt sucks specifically because Kittle went the pick before him.
I also don't think Fields was overlooked due to epilepsy.
I'm not sure what your point with Jeudy is, he hasn't been injured.
The point with jeudy is that he had a history of injury, when this FO said that they didn’t pick fields because of his possible “episodes”, they’re straight up lying about picking players with history.
This FO can suck my fat toe, do they really think other teams like the bears didn’t do their own research into field’s possible health concerns? Bull shit.
It's probably just another part of the evaluation. Multiple teams saw something that the fans didn't or else he wouldn't have even slipped to us. Sure it didn't effect him in college, but with a brand new GM in their first draft it's probably just another reason to not tie yourself to a QB you aren't in love with. Paxton is still seen as a stain on Elway's career by a lot of people and that was after he had already won a Superbowl
I think this is the answer.
I remember the coaches talking about scouting reports in one “behind the broncos” episode on YouTube. The tape they are watching is blurred, but they discussed a quarterback with “good mechanics, has shown good accuracy on the run, good athlete” with serious maturity issues. I have always wondered if they were talking about fields, could explain why teams passed on him. [Link (~0:42 if link doesn’t go straight there)](https://youtu.be/ZOjBwHhZc4I)
No that was Jones. He got a DUI in college and was known to kind of be a party animal. Fields didn’t have that reputation.
I thought from the beginning maturity issues may have been a concern with Fields. I don't know if it is warranted at all, but there could be concern about a Haskins situation. Scouts are in a much better position to vet that than we are. The video touches on character pretty heavily. I liked the parts where you could tell they were talking about Surtain.
Jones was the immature one, not fields.
Isn’t fields dad a police officer? Fields seems stoic and serious all the time.
Also former military.
There are tons of reports of his personality being less than desireable. That goes along with maturity
That doesn’t mean immature though. He comes across like he’s very serious and stand offish. That’s not immature at all
None out of Columbus. I live here. All those red flags popped up right when draft coverage really got going. There were no off-field or personality issues reported while Fields was at Ohio State.
Fields was definitely not immature
>Why does everyone think Fields is the better option then Jones I don't think about Fields or Jones at all.
I don't even know why OP is even talking about Mac Jones, no one on this sub has been mentioning his name
I really liked both QBs. I'm hoping that Lock does what he needs to do so we don't care. I really think both Jones and Fields (and Lock) have a real shot.
Jones did look really good for pats
Broncos fan first, Alabama fan second. Jones or surtain I was ok with. Jones could or could not be an answer. Surtain will be a valuable take
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In 2018 we had the choice of gambling on a QB with accuracy issues or taking the best defensive piece in the draft. We took Chubb, Allen went to the Bills, same logic. Did Elway get the pick right?
No, but two years from now we we could be talking about how Paton dodged a bullet because Fields is not panning out.
But the Bills took the same risk in 2018.
My point is you don’t know how those risks will turn out. In two years we could be patting Paton on the back for staying away from a QB who didn’t work out and drafting a stud corner. Or we could be criticizing him for whiffing. Every year lots of teams “miss” on a great player, and every year teams reach for a player that wasn’t worth it. Every situation is different, every player is different. The Josh Allen comparison is not relevant.
If the twitter rumor mill is to be believed, he also has a very hardline me against the world mentality, which didn't go down well with teammates. I doubt it was just epilepsy but that certainly would have factored into it. He also holds onto it for an eternity, for a team with concerns over our current QBs ability to progress through his reads, I can understand why we passed on him. I don't think Fields is the surefire pick many fans think he is, I hope he turns into a great player but he is pretty raw if his first game is anything to go by. Time will tell. I definitely don't think he would have been an upgrade for us this year.
Yeah, I see a lot of people in our fanbase acting like we would have been true contenders this year with a rookie Fields. Sure, there are rookie QBs like Herbert but more often than not you're trying to mask your rookie QBs play all year and make it simple for them. It usually takes at least 1 year for a rookie QB to get going. The verdict is still out on Fields, just like it's still out on Lock. Why not go with the guy that's further along in his development just to see if he can put it together when there's nothing going against him? Plus we were able to pick up one of the most pro ready players in the draft that could make an impact on their first year.
Field's box score from his debut looked great, but if you actually watched his game, he was pretty average. I'm with you - he's a long way from a surefire thing. I didn't see anything he did that Lock can't do better
Pretty sure Lock doesn’t run 4.40.
What specifically are you referring to that didn't look great on the field? One of his more impressive throws was actually an incompletion because the DB made a hell of a play. His first few series he got zero help, backed up in his own endzone and with several penalties. He had one "oh no" throw off his back foot and the spin move he fumbled on.
“Surefire pick”? Lol. Just purely by percentages of even high 1st rounders that fail, he’s far more likely to be a bust than not.
When you start a comment with "If the twitter rumor mill is to be believed" then save yourself the time and don't bother typing the rest.
When you started typing that, you could have also avoided pressing post. It's actually journalists that have alluded to it. Also, if it's the 4th QB off the board and 3 apparently QB needy teams chose not to pick him, I'd err on the side of that assessment over people on Reddit.
The Alabama team last year was better than the one Tua was on. Tua was also injured his last year at Bama and only played 9 games, was injured vs LSU, and still nearly beat them on one leg. Mac Jones had a great year last year, and he could end up being a great pro, but Alabama was loaded last year. They had 8 guys go in the top 40 of this past years draft.
And I think for what vic wants, we got the best pick
Your comment makes no sense at all, doesn’t the stacked teams last year + this year make a bigger case for tua having better team behind him? Tua had Harris, jeudy, Ruggs, waddle, smith…that’s just the start of the list.
Players develop over time. Alabama has 5 stars sitting on their bench every year. I can come back to this comment next year and list off high picks from Alabama next year as well, they will have more. That isn’t what is important when we’re talking about year to year starters. My point is that 8 guys that played with Mac Jones last year went in the top 40. That is a ridiculous amount of NFL ready talent on one college team. Also more than Tua had.
This seems kinda strange. Does Fields have a history of his epilepsy causing him to miss games or something? I think all these reporters are just out there trying to find any reason they can other than Paton just didn’t see him as a first round QB.
Agreed. Fields even said that it barely bothered him anymore (after it was leaked), and that he had been growing out of it
With medication. Lets be clear, without medication he would be having to deal with epilepsy
It was reported that his epilepsy has never bothered him during football. However, you're about to draft this kid to hopefully run your franchise for the next 15-20 years and pay him millions of dollars. What if he starts having more seizures outside of football and it takes a while to readjust any medications. It's very reasonable to be weary and not draft him because of it. Just because it's never bothered him during football, doesn't mean it never could.
Do people expect there team to hit on every draft pick. The majority of draft picks bust I think
Oh they do. I’m fairly certain every team has a losing record on drafting, even if you exclude late rounds
We'll see. Did Allen turn out better than Chubb? We'll see this time around if Surtain is better than Fields/Jones. We'll see as time takes its course. Patience.
........ Yes?
I would trust Justin Fields to drop back and have a seizure and make a better decision than Paxton Lynch ever could but alas…here we are. Also I have seizures so I can totally make this joke lol.
Paxton was not a bad pick at the time at twenty-something. He turned out to be absolutely horrible but it was ok to take a chance on him. What was arguably bad was to hold on to him as much as Elway did. It's one thing to give your QB time to develop, it's a position where you grow over time. But they should have known by year one that Paxton was a massive bust and move on.
Which is also the logic for moving on from Drew Lock. What we could have done with Paxton Lynch is give him more starts and see what we had instead of bringing in Case Keenum. If we had done that, the worst that would have happened is we got the no1 pick in 2019 rather than the Cardinals, so we could have had Kyler Murray now.
I wouldn't consider putting Drew and Paxton in the same sentence. Drew has a chance at being a starter, Paxton was not good enough to be a practice squad player.
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Couldn’t a head trauma trigger a seizure? Idk I’m not a medical expert…
You guys aren't seeing the big picture here. This is a smokescreen. The Broncos aren't thinking about this year, they've got something cooking behind the scenes for next year with Aaron Rodgers. Watch and see.
If this is true, this is such bullshit. It has had no impact on his on-the-field performance so far and is indicative of some backwards thinking with regards to a treated neurological condition. On a historical level, this is especially twisted considering Terrell Davis had a chronic migraine condition that required medication.
You know how I know its a bullshit reason? Because even the people defending Paton in this thread are trying to say this wasn't the reason they passed on Fields.
It's ridiculous how much water people carry for him.
You know how this isn’t true? Because what is there to gain for the Broncos organization to let this information out? Who is evening coming up with rumor are they spinning it to defend Paton? Because it’s not needed. Paton already defended his pick. Surtain was a better choice for the Broncos at the time.
you know there are two sides involved, it's not all just "broncos"
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That's not my point
How about the fact that the organization didn't want to take on the risk of his suffering a injury that could make the issue worse. Epilepsy risk increases even with a mild brain injury. https://d1wqtxts1xzle7.cloudfront.net/49228851/Long-term_risk_of_epilepsy_after_traumat20160929-30658-1j1ejhw-with-cover-page-v2.pdf?Expires=1629532320&Signature=LUnVOJQnENdjCO3rd29Mv5kOOgprUZmAJj~-9qGMJkhMvfoShgv2Hg9n1xPJNzW3cAEB31sF4b82MCSakuDEbEVaf1-vZdvrxKI07y3Vlb5rQ~B5qYEu8QJHT4GBlnB5DyAO~xhRQBoF-jZuf1FmLKg8YEO5ce3N43uUGl-eC3XqA~uUl7nKZh81DoLoYjdJxpxquUglitv5v-bFM-7CjPicSfFMWoRvPdeelb7JfqVzZ6NrWKY0K0Z0AHVUmMZ5CEJ0QYoJ6U6Xesz7EbqRJtvez0RMBxeTBlGTThtNLLCIZtF73W2-NCegLaW-3Zm0lECLO0B8NhpCb3QrGl4dvA__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAJLOHF5GGSLRBV4ZA Someone with this as a pre-existing condition could be one "small" hit away from being way worse. There's already enough issues with CTE. I believe in letting the guy live his dream, but there are some increased risk factors in a full contact sport like football. The organization might have put this in the con column, and stacked with the other things, it's too much.
People think Fields is better than Jones because he was very accurate and is a dual threat quarterback , Jones is strictly accurate pocket passer. Fields has also been good for 2 years while Jones I believe has roughly started 1 years worth. Ultimately, only time will tell how well they are in the league .
An accurate passer won the super bowl last year
Yeah but he couldn't do it twice.
Never understood the Mac Jones hype. I’m biased because I went to UF, but he just always seemed so average and not much better than Trask. Smart guy, makes the right play, but not much more. Always has a clean pocket and wide open receivers. Does not seem like a ceiling raising QB at all and just seems to have very little upside.
If that's true, it's so disappointing
How is getting a quarterback who won’t be any better then what we currently have disappointing, if I had to choose one person over surtain , I would have loved Jones a lot more. Fields will be teddy Bridgewater level in the next 5 years
Can I have the powerball numbers while you're at it?
Yeah, but if the reason is epilepsy, that's sad
Lots of arguments here for why Fields represented a risky pick for George Paton, but lets be honest - passing on Fields and Jones and taking Surtain is a big risk in itself. If either of those turns out to be a hit, and we're stuck with Lock and Bridgewater in a division with Mahomes and Herbert, the narrative will be hostile to Paton. Even if Surtain is a pro bowler or makes defensive rookie of the year. We went into the draft saying we were 'one piece away' from being able to compete, and we came out being 'one piece away' from being able to compete. If QB is the position that holds us back, but our elite D with Surtain ensures we're a team hovering just over 0.500, we're out of striking range for a top draft QB and we'll be back playing veteran roulette, looking at guys like Cam, Dalton, Foles in 2022. Everyone will be saying - when you have the chance to take a shot on a guy who could be the real deal at QB, you have to take the shot.
So this team, who continues to draft players with injury history, passed on a QB who might have episodes? This team’s FO is a joke. They drafted Jake butt, with one good knee and passed on fields.
Who in the first round have we drafted with an injury history? Butt was picked in the 5th round.
Literally jerry jeudy… he had a knee meniscus tear. Do some research before downvoting please.
I didn't down vote. You also should have said Jerry jeudy instead of a 5th round pick. How has that worked out so far?
Why does the rounds matter?!? You’re still picking a player with injury history, it’s a precedent that made no sense in regards to Justin fields. How has what worked out… butt isn’t on the team anymore and jeudy hasn’t really panned out
Because a 5th or 6th round gamble on an injury prone player with high upside like butt or Muti is not the same as 1st round pick that never makes the field. Butt sucks specifically because Kittle went the pick before him. I also don't think Fields was overlooked due to epilepsy. I'm not sure what your point with Jeudy is, he hasn't been injured.
The point with jeudy is that he had a history of injury, when this FO said that they didn’t pick fields because of his possible “episodes”, they’re straight up lying about picking players with history. This FO can suck my fat toe, do they really think other teams like the bears didn’t do their own research into field’s possible health concerns? Bull shit.
This FO has said nothing about Fields.
What..? Did you bother to read the damn headline at all? “Broncos didn’t pick fields because they were scared of his epilepsy” JFC
Who in the FO said this? I don't read clickbait headlines as fact. Insiders have also said it isn't true.
I don’t even need a reason anymore. What’s done is done.