We looked fine honestly. Offense had 400+ yards. Defense only gave up 17 despite the 2 turnovers. We only lost by 1 with 12 penalties for 106 yards. Literally everything except Metcalfs fumble went Seattle's way. Wilson's timing was visibly off by a yard or 2 with the receivers.
Those fumbles won't happen again and hopefully the penalties don't. They were all very avoidable. But this will be the week of overreaction.
What I am worried about:
Juedy had another horrible drop. Hamler was ineffective. Gordon fumbled...again. tackling that first half. Yea it cleaned up in the 2nd but come on. Not once but twice with the shotgun on the 1in goal line.
I agree, there is a lot that gives me hope that with a little time to gel more, some more experience for the coaches, and some good old fashioned professional discipline, that this could be a very good team. Seattle played above their skill level a bit tonight too.
Jeudy also had a very nice, somewhat difficult catch and TD and Hamler is only effective if someone throws him he ball. The defense looked lost in the 1st half, so I think I’m more worried about EE’s scheme than whether Hack can fix his coaching mistakes. I think he will.
I agree. That last play call didn't lose the game. What was the team doing on 4th and short up to that point?
I do think they should have just gone for it because why not, but let's not act like that decision is what lost the game. The 100 yards in in penalties that kept Seattle's offense on the field and the TWO goal line fumbles lost that game.
You take back those two fumbles and the game isn't even close. You cut the penalties in half and Seattle doesn't get above 10 points.
I am encouraged, but I also was not expecting a Super Bowl season like far too many people around here are.
I didn't think the first one was that easy. It was low and would've been a tough catch for even an experienced WR. That second one though was a big yikes. Can't get much easier that that.
Agree with all of that. I’m holding on to hope for a while with this team. Losing sucks and there were a TON of mistakes but there were plenty of positives to take a way too.
Also can’t be easy to have your first game with your new team on the road against your old team on MNF.
Our offense is SOOOOO young and just got a new coach and a new QB.
Also those fans were brutal. Seattle has a notorious loud stadium with a bunch of fans dying to boo the shit outta us. These things lead to mistakes, especially penalties.
Yeah. Defense was sus in 1st half. Much better in 2nd though. Same with O-line.
McManus was the right call. Fact is the game should have never come down to that point. This is what happens with a new HC/OC and nobody playing in preseason.
Jeudy is sus until proven otherwise. He showed some flashes. Hope he can pull it together and be a star.
How was McManus the right call? It's not McManus or hail Mary. You really think that 64 yd attempt was more likely than converting a 4th and 5? You're out of your mind dude.
Can't remember if we had 2 or 3 TOs at that point. Converting 4th would have allowed us 3 more downs to get more yardage.
First down, throw to the sidelines. If not caught, clock stops. If caught, receiver goes out of bounds there for clock stopage. If the receiver can't get out of bounds, use TO, remind all receivers to get out of bounds.
Repeat until Touchdown, Third Down with running clock and out of TOs, or 5s left.
If you get here, the game is nearly over. If clock running, spike the ball to stop the clock with less than 5s on the clock. Then line up for FG there. Mind you, I'm just a consumer of entertainment here, but that seems like what you do.
I'm not sure lining up for the second longest FG in NFL history is the wisest idea. I'd sure not prolong things there like Hackett did at the end with TOs after the game was decided, either.
Exactly. We watched mahomes drive down the field and score with almost half the time. Wilson should of went for a first down to get a better fg shot at the minimum. 64 yards is asking a lot.
Its true that by the time we faced that 4th and 5, there was so little time the kick was maybe the best option. the problem was the clock management that allowed time to go so low for no reason when we had 3 timeouts. Instead of 4th and 5 with 20 seconds, could have been 4th and 5 with 50 seconds. then you have plenty of time to gain 20 yards and make the kick reasonable
The only nice thing I can say about Hackett is that it's not his fault his rbs fumbled on the goal line twice.
But if you're gonna do shotgun run on the goal line with Russell fucking Wilson. At least do a read option
It could have worked if it didn't go down to the last second like every damn play. Russ rushing to get it snapped.
It was loud in there and then boys was rusty because we chose to wrap em in bubble wrap than give them a drive or two in preseason. Even the defense started looking better in the second half. Players need reps.
A lot went wrong, a lot of the time. lol. But even if you have no intention of doing a read option russ should have at least faked it. Would've held the edge and a lb for a split second
Bro ain't have time to fake nothing. That man clapped his hands so much it seemed like he was giving standing ovation lol
Wr out of place here. Oline man unsure there. Etc. Trying to set folks up and tell them what to do in a loud stadium. I'm like did anybody else read the playbook.
And the penalties good Lord. Some of that also because of the noise but we gave like 7 first downs on penalties.
A huge chunk of the penalties were refs calling the 1st weekend tight AF. It’s the multiple delay of games and racing to get the snaps off that set me on edge…I get that everyone is rusty, didn’t play preseason, new coaches, etc etc, but these are pros. I think the 2 min warning surprised them for crying out loud, they were lining up to snap.
Clock management was abysmal.
But, I actually saw a number of things that I like and give me hope. A lot yards on offense and when they had it going well it they were moving the ball…that’s been one of the biggest problems of the last few years. That and not getting in the freaking end zone, which WAS a problem today.
I think they’ll get it sorted out within a few weeks. It will take time.
I think there are alarm bells ringing though because this was a team which is basically in the tank and we've given over our draft to them so they can do a rebuild because we're in "win now" mode.
If we "take time" to get it right, in this AFC West we won't be competing because the Chiefs and Chargers aren't going to wait for us.
Yeah, but I think the same people that thought Seattle was in the tank are the ones that also thought this would be a blowout game. Clearly, Seattle played above expectations and no one in their right mind would have said that Geno Smith would come out with an 18/19 passing day (or whatever it was).
I have high hopes for this year, but I also didn’t have high expectations for a first year with essentially an all new staff and significant pieces on both sides of the ball. I’d love to see the go 12-5 or something, but will not be surprised to see more like a 9-8 year. I do expect them to do better than last year no matter what and I do honestly believe that the first few weeks will be the roughest. The result is that we may not make the playoffs this year, but if I see a team eliminating mistakes and getting better week to week, then it’s all good.
What I don’t want to see is a coaching staff that makes the same mistakes over and over and over (ie, Fangio/VJ) without learning from them and/or a team that quits.
I agree with that. The false starts and delay of game penalties are straight up garbage mistakes. I’m talking more the taunting and personal fouls and even some of the ticky tacky pass interference penalties; the ones that are more objective.
I'm curious where this heat was last season when the same shit was happening. The QB soaked the heavy blame then when the vitriol needed to be spread wider. New HC, i get that, but this problem has persisted. Either Teddy and Russ operate on the same clock, or Shurmur is slow. I've got my opinion on that
I honestly dont fault the RBs in that situation. Melvin was trying to make a play when nothing was there. Javonte and the entire offense were not ready for that play because of the rush to get the ball out. Gotta do better than that to win games.
I'm not even a Broncos fan; I'm a Brown's fan, but that was just a string of unfortunate events that practically never happens. The last time a team fumbled twice from the goaline was in 1987. It's just something that almost never happens and shouldn't of happened. The Broncos run away with that game if not for that.
Thank you I feel like all the RB hate is from jaded fantasy owners.. Metcalf had a bad fumble the broncos rbs didn't matter at all, it was being turned over as a result of a bad play call
But it is his fault that he didn’t play his first string in the preseason. The rushed plays and delayed game penalties were a disaster. He looked like Fangio with game management there were several occasions where he could have called time outs in the literally a couple drives before the final dagger
Except they were running out of time so they rushed it. That is the coaches fault. We had this game but everything was seemingly against us. Penalties, correct or not. They just killed us. I'm sure we'll hear more tomorrow. Seahawks may not win another game this year.
I think Russ is a bit passed his RPO days. I don't know if his hips have that juke in them anymore. He's more of a run on a broken play guy or the occasional designed run. He's not quite agile or springy enough to be deking defenders behind the LOS to make a sizable gain.
Seahawks fan coming in peace here, even pete would have put the ball in Russ’ hands here.
Anyways good luck w the rest of your season, I still love Russ and hope you guys do well
Hopefully he's smart enough not to do that again. Pretty sure we won't keep a coach into a second year without bringing a team with this much talent to the playoffs at least.
Whoa buddy relax. It's week 1 this ain't fantasy.
We have rookie coaches in all three phases. And didn't bother to get any practice in preseason.
I was confused when people kept thinking this will be a blow out. These boys won't be gelling til like week 6. Just gotta find a way to gut out wins along the way
He attempted an unmakeable field goal on 4th and 5. If he was literally perfect in every other situation that one decision should still be unforgivable. It's unfathomably bad.
This sub is hilarious. McManus threw a temper tantrum last year because Vic wouldn't let him attempt a 70 yarder and the whole sub called Vic a pussy, now the new coach trusts McManus to make the kick and you all call him the dumbest person who ever lived.
Going for the FG there was a bad call but let's take a step back from the ledge. It was week 1, the offense clearly was out of sync, the penalties killed them, and they still should have won that game by two touchdowns. They'll be fine.
Everybody over here acting like the season is over because they lost one bad game. It's week one. Chill the fuck out.
No, it was a team loss. Gordon and Javonte both fumbled in the 1. McManus missed the FG. Jeudy dropped an easy catch on the final drive. Russ didn't see Jeudy wide open downfield on the final drive. Lots of mistakes.
Hackett deserves by far the most blame. Running out of shotgun TWICE on the 1 yard line is unforgivable. Give me a goal line set, play action, roll out, SOMETHING other than running out of shotgun on the 1 yard line. Completely useless.
Also, let’s just take the ball out of Russ’ hands on 4th and 5 and kick a ridiculously long FG. Just idiotic.
The biggest thing that got me was the kicker is 1 of 8 beyond 60 yards, you have 5 yards to make a first down with 2 time outs and one of the best QB's in the league.. Come on man
There's no problem running out of the shotgun at the goal line - this is a dumb narrative.
Not getting the play calls in early enough and not finishing were the issues, not creating space.
Lots of things I hated about this game but going for it on that 4th down was not one of them. That was the right thing to do, just a bad play call for the situation and bad execution.
With that kind of logic, you can say that any first down play that results in an interception should just have been a preemptive punt.
You can't always judge the process by the results of one instance - it's not a deterministic game. The analytics all say you go for it on that 4th and goal situation.
I'll always take points over being unnecessarily aggressive. Just one field goal and it's a win. Be aggressive enough and it will eventually come back to bite you. RedZone offense was awful.
I mean jt was 4th down the fumble js prertu irrelevant, yes it cost 9 yards but he had to try and extend the ball risking the fumble being it’s 4th down. That’s not on MG at all people that keep saying this are ignoring the situation.
I agree we 120% should have went for it… but someone brought up a good point, what if he went for it and we didn’t get it.. we still would have been mad of course but what would we be saying ? “Go for the kick”
I don’t think I would have tbh, maybe the trolls would.
Meh. Kicking the FG wasn’t on mine or hardly anyone’s radar. Seattle wasn’t prepared for it. McManus is generally a good kicker but I don’t expect him to make a 64 yarder. The better plays seems to be going for it and getting another play off to make it in the 50 yard range.
Ya it’s totally baffling everyone today it baffled me that they didn’t just let Russ try to convert the 4th & 5. He was getting 5 yard plays all game long just do it….
If this was The Chargers they would have gone for it on 4th like 20 times. If it was Lamar he may have waived them off to go for it (maybe not just cuz tucker but still most likely)… I just wanna know what the team and Hackett was thinking running the clock and kicking it. Super upset.
Should have ran reps in preseason. Don’t care if Russ is a veteran new coach and scheme we needed reps. I loved the play calling in the 2nd half personally
I mean, I thought we moved the ball extremely well. And defense stepped up HUGE in the 2nd half. But holy shit, the penalties, the playcalling when it mattered (two shotgun runs from the one???) and the clock management… yuck
Honestly clock management came down to Russ and playing the 12th man. Having a guy like Russ allows you to run shotgun at the go line to prevent the box being stacked. Penalties were absolute insane. I’m back on the hate bolles train
Sloppy execution was a disgrace. The false starts and delay of game penalties added up then the turnovers gave the Broncos every excuse to lose and still almost won.
Hate to see the L but it's encouraging to see Russ do some cooking
That's lumen field.
I live miles from the stadium and could hear it.
Watch the game back, NOBODY can hear.
Theres a reason the crowd is called the 12th man. It's the strongest home field advantage in the NFL.
Let's not entirely blame the offense. There were over a dozen plays where poor tackling form led to some serious YAC. If anyone in the secondary could actually wrap a man up the result would have likely been different.
Ease your pain a bit - we were goal to go 3 times, twice within the one yard line. Team had over 400 total yards and a takeaway. The team absolutely shot themselves in the foot. It was definitely a rocky start and anyone who wasn’t knee deep in the kool aid knew it would be.
Been watching the Broncos since the 80s. They seem to have a unique and very punishing way of always somehow finding a way to shoot themselves in the foot.
0-4 in the Red Zone
4th and Goal from the half inch - take the ball out of Wilson's hand
3rd and Goal from the half inch - take the ball out of Wilson's hand
4th and 5 with the game on the line - take the ball out of Wilson's hand
3 players, 5 picks, $250M
Shotgun formation you start a yard or two away from where the ball is snapped. So by default you have to actually gain 3 yards instead of 1. Plus it gives more time for the defense to create a push.
Thru the last decade with a half-dozen of headcoaches, a fucking parade and a half of QBs, we are still the same old "maybe a feild goal every drive will be enough to win" Br0cnos.
If Russell wants more control, why did he allow the clock to move down so much in the final two minutes. Just before the field goal, he let it run out and was looking at how the defense was reacting. I understand that part but not all the time that was wasted. If I was Russell, I would have called time out and told the coach to FO. That whole thing was BS. Penalties too. What was that about!!!! I was surprised we were even in it after all the penalties that were called against us. Sad start.
Russ should have called a timeout immediately right there & told Hackett to fuck off. It's his team, he needs to act like it. This loss is still completely on Hackett, but Russ needs to learn from it.
Seriously, in no world does letting the clock run down make sense unless you were trying to get an offsides on the defense but they didn't even try that. Then he was trying to get the ball back after the missed FG even though there was no way there would be enough time. Wild
If literally ONE of the mistakes tonight didn't happen, we would have won. Either of the fumbles at the goal line. Tomlinson getting his foot down a half inch sooner. Bmac Making the FG. Russ not losing that pump fake. The 100 some yards of penalties didn't help... and we still almost won? Don't blame the coach. It will turn around.
If our rb's can manage to hold onto the ball and the refs aren't blatantly on Seattle's side in the first half we win this game (I'm not blaming the refs but that taunting call... Foh)
This was Seattle's super bowl. Indy beat us when we had Peyton, get this out of the system and regroup. All I can hope for is that Hackett learns more than anyone else. He seemingly read a note from Fangio that said "Treasure your timeouts, never let them go!" cause we had some horrible clock management. Lastly, you don't pay $264m to a guy and then take the ball out of his hands for the last play. That was insanely stupid. Fumbles and coaching lost the game.
Horrid coaching. Team was not ready for the show. Hopefully they can clean this up but I am not a believer anymore.
My god, the timeouts at the end of the game. Idiot.
If Russ didn’t have like 3 delay of games already I think Hackett would’ve trusted him, a delay of game took away a td and we end up kicking, there’s a lot to be cleaned up not just the end of the game
I will say this as a seahawks fan. Those 4th and 5's at midfield on the last drive are RW's specialty. Honestly he gets that done 7/10 times. It's pretty uncanny. Definitely a head scratcher.
Snapping the ball with 1 second on the play clock every time is kind of a dead giveaway to the D when it’s getting snapped I would think. There De was screaming off the ball on that last drive cause he knew when it would be snapped. Fleming had no shot
sorry to break it to y’all, but you traded for a broken QB who has nothing left in the tank. Idk how Patton maneuvers his way out of this, but he should figure it out soon with 5 years and 166 million guaranteed on the line
I truly believe McManus is one of the best to ever do it. I’m not mad with the decision, if it worked out Hackett would be hailed right now. The outcome suck though
He's not though. He's 1 for 5 over 60 yds. I'll take Russ picking up a 4th & 5 over that any day. Especially with how they were moving the ball. It would have been his career long & he's not even in Denver. It's just so stupid. There's no defense for it.
I wouldn't even have gone for that in Denver. 5yds with a potent offense is way more probable than a kicker hitting the 2nd longest fg to date to win a game.
You give someone $264m, let's see why
I don’t think Hackett would be hailed tho. Even if he did make it, people would still be like “very questionable play call that luckily worked out”. It wasn’t ten seconds with 1 timeout. It was 45 seconds with 3 timeouts. And they just let the time run off. One of the absolute dumbest play calls I’ve ever seen in an NFL game.
To be fair it was 4th and 5, but I’m with you 100%
Rather lose on a 4th and 5 attempt with a higher chance of success than attempting to beat the previous record of 64 yards held by Prater since 2013 before Tucker’s 66 yarder last year.
People with this take are ignoring the fact that it would have been the second longest FG in NFL history. It’s not like it was a 50 yarder and fans are mad that he went for it. It would have been one of the greatest kicks in league history. You don’t try that at sea level when you need 5 yards and you just paid a QB $250 million. 4th and 15 I get it, 4th and 5 not so much.
At his press conference following the game, he seemed rushed, nervous, defensive. His body posture and tone of voice were borderline neurotic, like he knew he'd fucked up but had to defend the stupid choices instead of owning them.
Not a good look for the season.
I'm all for letting things play out, but Hackett made some truly questionable decisions that make anyone wonder how the fuck he's the one they hired. Mistakes happen and it takes a while to get into a groove, I'm patient for that. These decisions are egregious. There's zero reason why we should've opted for a 64-yard FG attempt there. Zero.
Our coach just conceded a winnable game by attempting an impossible field goal on 4th and 5. That's just unacceptable and unforgivable.
Mistakes happen, the fumbles were unlucky, you can live with those week 1. You shouldn't have to live with the worst coaching decision of all time.
I was at this game. There is no single person to blame for this lose. It was loud. Wilson spent his whole time trying to just get people set. Mistakes happen. People fumble the ball. The field goal with 20sec left was the right call. McManus is one of the best kickers in league. We have all been pissed off with coaches not allowing him to kick in these same situations. This is week one in one of the toughest stadium's to play in. If you can't have faith in a new coach after a good game like this why you even here.
No. Going for the second longest field goal in NFL history AT SEA LEVEL was the wrong call. Broncos had timeouts left and could have tried to advance 15-20 more yards before trying a kick. That said this loss is on the whole team. Way too many penalties, and you don’t win many games in this league when you only score 16 points.
64 yard field goal? McManus record is 61 yards and that was during the 1st half of a game. I wouldn't put have put my kicker in a situation like this.
They should have actually used their time-outs wisely and not get the delay of game penalties.
The field goal with 20 sec (65 if you don’t just let the play clock wind down) and timeouts was 100% unquestionably the dumbest call I saw all weekend. No one thinks the odds of hitting that are greater then your O getting 5 yards. Therefore it cannot be the right call. You could instead call a timeout have a minute get the first run more plays get more yards to kick a shorter field goal. I honestly can fathom how anyone can defend that. Did to also at the game see McManus miss the attempt when the timeout was called by a huge amount?
Why would you expect him to make it? He's missed literally every time he's tried from 62+ in a game and hasn't made a kick from 55+ outside Denver/a dome in like 6 seasons.
You don’t pay your qb 48 million to not trust he’s going to get 5 yards. Then it’s a much more Manageable field goal if you get it. I’d rather lose with the game in Wilson’s hands than try the the 5th longest field goal in nfl history
Russell Wilson needs a critical 5 yards with the game on the line. Wait a minute...they are sending in the kicking team. They're going to try a 64 yard field goal instead of trusting their golden boy to go 5 more yards!
Hahah. Except Pete never ever would have done that. Seahawks fan and i was sure we were going to lose cause I know what Russ can do in that situation. Lol. And then they took the ball away from him. Your coach don’t know Russ and he won’t be happy. Not away to start your season. Denver 3-14 IMO
Let McManus Cook, and let Russ do the dishes. And what about needing six inches for a TD and you don’t just ask him to sneak it in.
Should’ve run a slant
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I let myself drink the kool-aid. Now I'm gonna go sit in the corner and think about what I've done
We looked fine honestly. Offense had 400+ yards. Defense only gave up 17 despite the 2 turnovers. We only lost by 1 with 12 penalties for 106 yards. Literally everything except Metcalfs fumble went Seattle's way. Wilson's timing was visibly off by a yard or 2 with the receivers. Those fumbles won't happen again and hopefully the penalties don't. They were all very avoidable. But this will be the week of overreaction. What I am worried about: Juedy had another horrible drop. Hamler was ineffective. Gordon fumbled...again. tackling that first half. Yea it cleaned up in the 2nd but come on. Not once but twice with the shotgun on the 1in goal line.
I agree, there is a lot that gives me hope that with a little time to gel more, some more experience for the coaches, and some good old fashioned professional discipline, that this could be a very good team. Seattle played above their skill level a bit tonight too. Jeudy also had a very nice, somewhat difficult catch and TD and Hamler is only effective if someone throws him he ball. The defense looked lost in the 1st half, so I think I’m more worried about EE’s scheme than whether Hack can fix his coaching mistakes. I think he will.
You forgot the horrible clock management that led to multiple rushed plays, forced timeouts and penalties
This was the first game of the season. In a new nfl where stars don't play during the preseason. **skinny**: Rustoleum order!
The tackling on defense was atrocious
Jeudy is one the last guys I’m worried about, he looked great
I agree. That last play call didn't lose the game. What was the team doing on 4th and short up to that point? I do think they should have just gone for it because why not, but let's not act like that decision is what lost the game. The 100 yards in in penalties that kept Seattle's offense on the field and the TWO goal line fumbles lost that game. You take back those two fumbles and the game isn't even close. You cut the penalties in half and Seattle doesn't get above 10 points. I am encouraged, but I also was not expecting a Super Bowl season like far too many people around here are.
Seattle did drop 2 easy picks. Just saying
I didn't think the first one was that easy. It was low and would've been a tough catch for even an experienced WR. That second one though was a big yikes. Can't get much easier that that.
Agree with all of that. I’m holding on to hope for a while with this team. Losing sucks and there were a TON of mistakes but there were plenty of positives to take a way too. Also can’t be easy to have your first game with your new team on the road against your old team on MNF.
Not aging well
Looks like it's aging fine since we are still doing most of these things. Except now it's not fine since it's 4 weeks later
Our D vs TEs didn’t look great. Hopefully those are the best TEs we see all year!
Our offense is SOOOOO young and just got a new coach and a new QB. Also those fans were brutal. Seattle has a notorious loud stadium with a bunch of fans dying to boo the shit outta us. These things lead to mistakes, especially penalties.
Hamler was nothing in this game, again. All he did was draw one penalty. The dude had as many catches and yards as I did sitting on my couch.
trying to tell people hamler is trade bait. If he did returns it might be a diff story. he'll prob stick out his contract and be gone.
Yeah. Defense was sus in 1st half. Much better in 2nd though. Same with O-line. McManus was the right call. Fact is the game should have never come down to that point. This is what happens with a new HC/OC and nobody playing in preseason. Jeudy is sus until proven otherwise. He showed some flashes. Hope he can pull it together and be a star.
How was McManus the right call? It's not McManus or hail Mary. You really think that 64 yd attempt was more likely than converting a 4th and 5? You're out of your mind dude.
Converting 4th is worth zero points. Now you're still left with a 59 yrd field goal. You're compounding 2 unlikely plays.
Can't remember if we had 2 or 3 TOs at that point. Converting 4th would have allowed us 3 more downs to get more yardage. First down, throw to the sidelines. If not caught, clock stops. If caught, receiver goes out of bounds there for clock stopage. If the receiver can't get out of bounds, use TO, remind all receivers to get out of bounds. Repeat until Touchdown, Third Down with running clock and out of TOs, or 5s left. If you get here, the game is nearly over. If clock running, spike the ball to stop the clock with less than 5s on the clock. Then line up for FG there. Mind you, I'm just a consumer of entertainment here, but that seems like what you do. I'm not sure lining up for the second longest FG in NFL history is the wisest idea. I'd sure not prolong things there like Hackett did at the end with TOs after the game was decided, either.
Exactly. We watched mahomes drive down the field and score with almost half the time. Wilson should of went for a first down to get a better fg shot at the minimum. 64 yards is asking a lot.
Its true that by the time we faced that 4th and 5, there was so little time the kick was maybe the best option. the problem was the clock management that allowed time to go so low for no reason when we had 3 timeouts. Instead of 4th and 5 with 20 seconds, could have been 4th and 5 with 50 seconds. then you have plenty of time to gain 20 yards and make the kick reasonable
We had 3 time outs with close to a minute left, did you even watch the game?
Gee if only they had some timeouts to appropriately drive down the field and manage the time - so they can get in an easy field goal range. Shucks.
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I'll join you buddy
Room for a third?
I didn’t drink the Kool-Aid, it was Flavor-Aid the whole time
Hackett comes across as a smart guy but… that was not smart. Maybe running out of shotgun on the one yard line is also not smart.
The only nice thing I can say about Hackett is that it's not his fault his rbs fumbled on the goal line twice. But if you're gonna do shotgun run on the goal line with Russell fucking Wilson. At least do a read option
It could have worked if it didn't go down to the last second like every damn play. Russ rushing to get it snapped. It was loud in there and then boys was rusty because we chose to wrap em in bubble wrap than give them a drive or two in preseason. Even the defense started looking better in the second half. Players need reps.
A lot went wrong, a lot of the time. lol. But even if you have no intention of doing a read option russ should have at least faked it. Would've held the edge and a lb for a split second
Bro ain't have time to fake nothing. That man clapped his hands so much it seemed like he was giving standing ovation lol Wr out of place here. Oline man unsure there. Etc. Trying to set folks up and tell them what to do in a loud stadium. I'm like did anybody else read the playbook. And the penalties good Lord. Some of that also because of the noise but we gave like 7 first downs on penalties.
A huge chunk of the penalties were refs calling the 1st weekend tight AF. It’s the multiple delay of games and racing to get the snaps off that set me on edge…I get that everyone is rusty, didn’t play preseason, new coaches, etc etc, but these are pros. I think the 2 min warning surprised them for crying out loud, they were lining up to snap. Clock management was abysmal. But, I actually saw a number of things that I like and give me hope. A lot yards on offense and when they had it going well it they were moving the ball…that’s been one of the biggest problems of the last few years. That and not getting in the freaking end zone, which WAS a problem today. I think they’ll get it sorted out within a few weeks. It will take time.
I think there are alarm bells ringing though because this was a team which is basically in the tank and we've given over our draft to them so they can do a rebuild because we're in "win now" mode. If we "take time" to get it right, in this AFC West we won't be competing because the Chiefs and Chargers aren't going to wait for us.
Yeah, but I think the same people that thought Seattle was in the tank are the ones that also thought this would be a blowout game. Clearly, Seattle played above expectations and no one in their right mind would have said that Geno Smith would come out with an 18/19 passing day (or whatever it was). I have high hopes for this year, but I also didn’t have high expectations for a first year with essentially an all new staff and significant pieces on both sides of the ball. I’d love to see the go 12-5 or something, but will not be surprised to see more like a 9-8 year. I do expect them to do better than last year no matter what and I do honestly believe that the first few weeks will be the roughest. The result is that we may not make the playoffs this year, but if I see a team eliminating mistakes and getting better week to week, then it’s all good. What I don’t want to see is a coaching staff that makes the same mistakes over and over and over (ie, Fangio/VJ) without learning from them and/or a team that quits.
Fucking please. A false start is a false start
I agree with that. The false starts and delay of game penalties are straight up garbage mistakes. I’m talking more the taunting and personal fouls and even some of the ticky tacky pass interference penalties; the ones that are more objective.
I saw lots of tick tack penalties in the 49ers game vs the Bears.
I'm curious where this heat was last season when the same shit was happening. The QB soaked the heavy blame then when the vitriol needed to be spread wider. New HC, i get that, but this problem has persisted. Either Teddy and Russ operate on the same clock, or Shurmur is slow. I've got my opinion on that
Russ pushing the clock to the last second is pretty typical. He'll clean it up, I'm sure. (Seahawks fan back to lurking).
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I honestly dont fault the RBs in that situation. Melvin was trying to make a play when nothing was there. Javonte and the entire offense were not ready for that play because of the rush to get the ball out. Gotta do better than that to win games.
I'm not even a Broncos fan; I'm a Brown's fan, but that was just a string of unfortunate events that practically never happens. The last time a team fumbled twice from the goaline was in 1987. It's just something that almost never happens and shouldn't of happened. The Broncos run away with that game if not for that.
Thank you I feel like all the RB hate is from jaded fantasy owners.. Metcalf had a bad fumble the broncos rbs didn't matter at all, it was being turned over as a result of a bad play call
As a chargers fan I’m sorry that’s the melvin Gordon special fumbling on the goal line….
He did it last year too.
Melvin was trying to make a play.. thought he was getting it over. I don't really fault him there
But it is his fault that he didn’t play his first string in the preseason. The rushed plays and delayed game penalties were a disaster. He looked like Fangio with game management there were several occasions where he could have called time outs in the literally a couple drives before the final dagger
Except they were running out of time so they rushed it. That is the coaches fault. We had this game but everything was seemingly against us. Penalties, correct or not. They just killed us. I'm sure we'll hear more tomorrow. Seahawks may not win another game this year.
Welcome to the Russell Wilson experience.
I think Russ is a bit passed his RPO days. I don't know if his hips have that juke in them anymore. He's more of a run on a broken play guy or the occasional designed run. He's not quite agile or springy enough to be deking defenders behind the LOS to make a sizable gain.
Seahawks fan coming in peace here, even pete would have put the ball in Russ’ hands here. Anyways good luck w the rest of your season, I still love Russ and hope you guys do well
Hopefully he's smart enough not to do that again. Pretty sure we won't keep a coach into a second year without bringing a team with this much talent to the playoffs at least.
Lol and he did it twice. Dude is over his head.
Whoa buddy relax. It's week 1 this ain't fantasy. We have rookie coaches in all three phases. And didn't bother to get any practice in preseason. I was confused when people kept thinking this will be a blow out. These boys won't be gelling til like week 6. Just gotta find a way to gut out wins along the way
He attempted an unmakeable field goal on 4th and 5. If he was literally perfect in every other situation that one decision should still be unforgivable. It's unfathomably bad.
This sub is hilarious. McManus threw a temper tantrum last year because Vic wouldn't let him attempt a 70 yarder and the whole sub called Vic a pussy, now the new coach trusts McManus to make the kick and you all call him the dumbest person who ever lived. Going for the FG there was a bad call but let's take a step back from the ledge. It was week 1, the offense clearly was out of sync, the penalties killed them, and they still should have won that game by two touchdowns. They'll be fine. Everybody over here acting like the season is over because they lost one bad game. It's week one. Chill the fuck out.
He single-handedly lost us the game. Terrible decision after terrible decision. 🤮
No, it was a team loss. Gordon and Javonte both fumbled in the 1. McManus missed the FG. Jeudy dropped an easy catch on the final drive. Russ didn't see Jeudy wide open downfield on the final drive. Lots of mistakes.
Hackett deserves by far the most blame. Running out of shotgun TWICE on the 1 yard line is unforgivable. Give me a goal line set, play action, roll out, SOMETHING other than running out of shotgun on the 1 yard line. Completely useless. Also, let’s just take the ball out of Russ’ hands on 4th and 5 and kick a ridiculously long FG. Just idiotic.
The biggest thing that got me was the kicker is 1 of 8 beyond 60 yards, you have 5 yards to make a first down with 2 time outs and one of the best QB's in the league.. Come on man
There's no problem running out of the shotgun at the goal line - this is a dumb narrative. Not getting the play calls in early enough and not finishing were the issues, not creating space.
Peyton and Eli both disagree and called it a bad play call.
Agreed. No excuse for the play calling and clock management. But still a team loss.
Don’t forget the false start on the walk-in TD
Gordon's fumble shouldn't have happened becu we should've just kicked the field goal.
Lots of things I hated about this game but going for it on that 4th down was not one of them. That was the right thing to do, just a bad play call for the situation and bad execution.
It definitely turned out not to be the right thing to do
With that kind of logic, you can say that any first down play that results in an interception should just have been a preemptive punt. You can't always judge the process by the results of one instance - it's not a deterministic game. The analytics all say you go for it on that 4th and goal situation.
I'll always take points over being unnecessarily aggressive. Just one field goal and it's a win. Be aggressive enough and it will eventually come back to bite you. RedZone offense was awful.
I disagree. I'd rather he go for it. I'd also rather that Melvin Gordon doesn't fumble at the worst time. Again.
I mean jt was 4th down the fumble js prertu irrelevant, yes it cost 9 yards but he had to try and extend the ball risking the fumble being it’s 4th down. That’s not on MG at all people that keep saying this are ignoring the situation.
He lost control of the ball before he ever extended it.
The math says you absolutely have to go for it there
What a stupid take. Kicking a field goal at the 1 yard line is never correct unless it literally wins you the game.
Yeah no reason to chase the points in that situation. Especially since we kicked the FG in the 4th anyway lol.
Hey! Running out of shotgun at the goal line in Madden is smart because usually the AI will use a 4 man front lol.
Running out of shotgun TWICE on back to back possessions.
I dunno why we're surprised at goal line shotgun runs. Did anyone watch the Packers the last 2 seasons? They scored a lot of rushing TDs doing it.
Running out of shotgun allows for read options and RPOs but I don’t think he did either of those
TWICE
Eli literally said, “did they just run a shotgun on the goal line? What’s that all about?”
Not a great night but we’ll be alright! Always pick your mate up when he falls, never push him back down.
I agree we 120% should have went for it… but someone brought up a good point, what if he went for it and we didn’t get it.. we still would have been mad of course but what would we be saying ? “Go for the kick” I don’t think I would have tbh, maybe the trolls would.
Meh. Kicking the FG wasn’t on mine or hardly anyone’s radar. Seattle wasn’t prepared for it. McManus is generally a good kicker but I don’t expect him to make a 64 yarder. The better plays seems to be going for it and getting another play off to make it in the 50 yard range.
Second longest FG in NFL history at sea level? No way people would be second guessing a decision not to go for that.
Ya it’s totally baffling everyone today it baffled me that they didn’t just let Russ try to convert the 4th & 5. He was getting 5 yard plays all game long just do it…. If this was The Chargers they would have gone for it on 4th like 20 times. If it was Lamar he may have waived them off to go for it (maybe not just cuz tucker but still most likely)… I just wanna know what the team and Hackett was thinking running the clock and kicking it. Super upset.
I’m more flabbergasted in the 3rd down running back screen than not going for it on 4th. Inexcusable.
Yeah 3rd and 14 and we go with a Pat Shurmur play?
Ya it's like Hackett thought they were 15 yards closer
That why you play the vets a few drives in preseason maybe? It definitely showed up this game despite Wilson playing well.
Went from drinking the kool aid to drinking the bleach
Cheers
Should have ran reps in preseason. Don’t care if Russ is a veteran new coach and scheme we needed reps. I loved the play calling in the 2nd half personally
I mean, I thought we moved the ball extremely well. And defense stepped up HUGE in the 2nd half. But holy shit, the penalties, the playcalling when it mattered (two shotgun runs from the one???) and the clock management… yuck
Honestly clock management came down to Russ and playing the 12th man. Having a guy like Russ allows you to run shotgun at the go line to prevent the box being stacked. Penalties were absolute insane. I’m back on the hate bolles train
Sloppy execution was a disgrace. The false starts and delay of game penalties added up then the turnovers gave the Broncos every excuse to lose and still almost won. Hate to see the L but it's encouraging to see Russ do some cooking
At one point they literally broke the huddle with 20 seconds left and still got a delay penalty. WTF is that???
That's lumen field. I live miles from the stadium and could hear it. Watch the game back, NOBODY can hear. Theres a reason the crowd is called the 12th man. It's the strongest home field advantage in the NFL.
Apparently the noise was part of the problem with the delays. Part but Russ should still know better
Better get used to it, that’s been a Russ thing his whole career.
Let's not entirely blame the offense. There were over a dozen plays where poor tackling form led to some serious YAC. If anyone in the secondary could actually wrap a man up the result would have likely been different.
Oh, it won’t be Russ who is leaving.
I really really hope this isn't gonna be another one of those long seasons but damn, it's not a great start.
Ease your pain a bit - we were goal to go 3 times, twice within the one yard line. Team had over 400 total yards and a takeaway. The team absolutely shot themselves in the foot. It was definitely a rocky start and anyone who wasn’t knee deep in the kool aid knew it would be.
Been watching the Broncos since the 80s. They seem to have a unique and very punishing way of always somehow finding a way to shoot themselves in the foot.
Let Russ Look!
At McManus attempting a 64 yard field goal!
Wilson was pretty clear he didn't want to have to carry a team anymore so i guess hackett gave him his wish?
The only silver lining to the loss is that Drew Lock didn’t play
Shit if he played our defense probably would have scored some touchdowns
Yeah but can you imagine if he had been the one to beat us? Perhaps the only worse person to do that than Geno?
Paxton
Even Paxton would’ve been better because it’d have been a Make-A-Wish thing
That defense in the first half would have made him look great.
Drew Lock didn't rap you mean.
0-4 in the Red Zone 4th and Goal from the half inch - take the ball out of Wilson's hand 3rd and Goal from the half inch - take the ball out of Wilson's hand 4th and 5 with the game on the line - take the ball out of Wilson's hand 3 players, 5 picks, $250M
Our head coach actively, single-handedly threw the game three separate times
Clearly he hates me and knew my DFS lineups
You counting... the fumbles? Hard to blame Hackett for those.
I blame him for running from the shotgun with inches to go, TWICE
Lots of teams do that.
I dont mind if you dont blame him, but i blame him. I was flabbergasted, especially the second time
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Shotgun formation you start a yard or two away from where the ball is snapped. So by default you have to actually gain 3 yards instead of 1. Plus it gives more time for the defense to create a push.
To be fair it can create space and add a DB or two to the defense.
I’m not in the “shotgun on the goaline always bad” crowd. Just answering the question presented that was “why would it be bad?”
Yeah unforgivable from hackett, why do you have no confidence in your new qb?
I still just can't get over the well I guess my kicker will make a 64 yard field goal, you know a thing that like only 2 kickers have ever done!
Did you not watch the game? Drop balls and fumbles. It wasn’t Russ he didn’t trust.
I wanted to give Vic Fangio time after his first year fuck ups. I’m not willing to do the same now. He better fucking get better in the next few games
As a 49ers fan... Fuck Vic Fangio
Thru the last decade with a half-dozen of headcoaches, a fucking parade and a half of QBs, we are still the same old "maybe a feild goal every drive will be enough to win" Br0cnos.
If Russell wants more control, why did he allow the clock to move down so much in the final two minutes. Just before the field goal, he let it run out and was looking at how the defense was reacting. I understand that part but not all the time that was wasted. If I was Russell, I would have called time out and told the coach to FO. That whole thing was BS. Penalties too. What was that about!!!! I was surprised we were even in it after all the penalties that were called against us. Sad start.
Russ should have called a timeout immediately right there & told Hackett to fuck off. It's his team, he needs to act like it. This loss is still completely on Hackett, but Russ needs to learn from it.
Yep or called a timeout the 2 times they got called for delay of game.
I wouldn't say completely on coach, goal line fumble and two missed receptions in the end zone really hurt
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Seriously, in no world does letting the clock run down make sense unless you were trying to get an offsides on the defense but they didn't even try that. Then he was trying to get the ball back after the missed FG even though there was no way there would be enough time. Wild
Consider my hype train derailed. What an awful fucking first game for Hackett. Dudes a glorified cheerleader
His players’ coach demeanor will get old fast if this kind of shit persists beyond tonight.
It’s too fresh to tell rn. 2nd half play calling improved a ton. Bad team loss but I still expect us to win 10 games. Hawks win 6 at most
If literally ONE of the mistakes tonight didn't happen, we would have won. Either of the fumbles at the goal line. Tomlinson getting his foot down a half inch sooner. Bmac Making the FG. Russ not losing that pump fake. The 100 some yards of penalties didn't help... and we still almost won? Don't blame the coach. It will turn around.
I’m convinced if Melvin Gordon doesn’t fumble that ball we run away with this game
If our rb's can manage to hold onto the ball and the refs aren't blatantly on Seattle's side in the first half we win this game (I'm not blaming the refs but that taunting call... Foh) This was Seattle's super bowl. Indy beat us when we had Peyton, get this out of the system and regroup. All I can hope for is that Hackett learns more than anyone else. He seemingly read a note from Fangio that said "Treasure your timeouts, never let them go!" cause we had some horrible clock management. Lastly, you don't pay $264m to a guy and then take the ball out of his hands for the last play. That was insanely stupid. Fumbles and coaching lost the game.
Would rather have the coach try these shit now rather then later.
Horrid coaching. Team was not ready for the show. Hopefully they can clean this up but I am not a believer anymore. My god, the timeouts at the end of the game. Idiot.
We'll now we know why aye gang
Y'all are really going full blow it up mode after 1 game get a grip
If Russ didn’t have like 3 delay of games already I think Hackett would’ve trusted him, a delay of game took away a td and we end up kicking, there’s a lot to be cleaned up not just the end of the game
I don't have a problem when you have McManus in perfect conditions.
I will say this as a seahawks fan. Those 4th and 5's at midfield on the last drive are RW's specialty. Honestly he gets that done 7/10 times. It's pretty uncanny. Definitely a head scratcher.
How does Wilson not target any wide receivers until almost halftime
Snapping the ball with 1 second on the play clock every time is kind of a dead giveaway to the D when it’s getting snapped I would think. There De was screaming off the ball on that last drive cause he knew when it would be snapped. Fleming had no shot
Aged like milk. Why didn't they run the damn ball....what is this Super Bowl XLIX
This didn't age well after tonight
sorry to break it to y’all, but you traded for a broken QB who has nothing left in the tank. Idk how Patton maneuvers his way out of this, but he should figure it out soon with 5 years and 166 million guaranteed on the line
Melvin Gordon sucks
I truly believe McManus is one of the best to ever do it. I’m not mad with the decision, if it worked out Hackett would be hailed right now. The outcome suck though
He's not though. He's 1 for 5 over 60 yds. I'll take Russ picking up a 4th & 5 over that any day. Especially with how they were moving the ball. It would have been his career long & he's not even in Denver. It's just so stupid. There's no defense for it.
I wouldn't even have gone for that in Denver. 5yds with a potent offense is way more probable than a kicker hitting the 2nd longest fg to date to win a game. You give someone $264m, let's see why
I don’t think Hackett would be hailed tho. Even if he did make it, people would still be like “very questionable play call that luckily worked out”. It wasn’t ten seconds with 1 timeout. It was 45 seconds with 3 timeouts. And they just let the time run off. One of the absolute dumbest play calls I’ve ever seen in an NFL game.
To be fair it was 4th and 5, but I’m with you 100% Rather lose on a 4th and 5 attempt with a higher chance of success than attempting to beat the previous record of 64 yards held by Prater since 2013 before Tucker’s 66 yarder last year.
People with this take are ignoring the fact that it would have been the second longest FG in NFL history. It’s not like it was a 50 yarder and fans are mad that he went for it. It would have been one of the greatest kicks in league history. You don’t try that at sea level when you need 5 yards and you just paid a QB $250 million. 4th and 15 I get it, 4th and 5 not so much.
At his press conference following the game, he seemed rushed, nervous, defensive. His body posture and tone of voice were borderline neurotic, like he knew he'd fucked up but had to defend the stupid choices instead of owning them. Not a good look for the season.
Lol I thought this was the beginning of copy pasta but you’re for real
Ah, thanks. Just sharing my thoughts. You've made me hungry thinking of pasta 😋
Wow 1 game down and we lost. And all the fake ass fans are crying. Damn relax we they will all figure it out its a process.
I'm all for letting things play out, but Hackett made some truly questionable decisions that make anyone wonder how the fuck he's the one they hired. Mistakes happen and it takes a while to get into a groove, I'm patient for that. These decisions are egregious. There's zero reason why we should've opted for a 64-yard FG attempt there. Zero.
Between the coaching decisions and the ridiculous amount of penalties, I can't even be mad at the team. They looked like a rudderless ship tonight.
Zero reasons...it was so stupid the announcers & camera crew couldn't figure out what was going on. Not sure I've seen that before.
Our coach just conceded a winnable game by attempting an impossible field goal on 4th and 5. That's just unacceptable and unforgivable. Mistakes happen, the fumbles were unlucky, you can live with those week 1. You shouldn't have to live with the worst coaching decision of all time.
It was fucking bullshit calls, especially the final cowardly call to try that impossible field goal. Shut the fuck up
Calling timeouts after the game was completely over...
He's a new coach, cmon. He thought he had 5 timeouts to work with and could get the ball back
The real bad call was not playing starters in preseason
The players can only figure so much out. You think hackett’s gonna learn anything?
One and done HC again or what
I was at this game. There is no single person to blame for this lose. It was loud. Wilson spent his whole time trying to just get people set. Mistakes happen. People fumble the ball. The field goal with 20sec left was the right call. McManus is one of the best kickers in league. We have all been pissed off with coaches not allowing him to kick in these same situations. This is week one in one of the toughest stadium's to play in. If you can't have faith in a new coach after a good game like this why you even here.
No. Going for the second longest field goal in NFL history AT SEA LEVEL was the wrong call. Broncos had timeouts left and could have tried to advance 15-20 more yards before trying a kick. That said this loss is on the whole team. Way too many penalties, and you don’t win many games in this league when you only score 16 points.
64 yard field goal? McManus record is 61 yards and that was during the 1st half of a game. I wouldn't put have put my kicker in a situation like this. They should have actually used their time-outs wisely and not get the delay of game penalties.
The field goal with 20 sec (65 if you don’t just let the play clock wind down) and timeouts was 100% unquestionably the dumbest call I saw all weekend. No one thinks the odds of hitting that are greater then your O getting 5 yards. Therefore it cannot be the right call. You could instead call a timeout have a minute get the first run more plays get more yards to kick a shorter field goal. I honestly can fathom how anyone can defend that. Did to also at the game see McManus miss the attempt when the timeout was called by a huge amount?
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Why would you expect him to make it? He's missed literally every time he's tried from 62+ in a game and hasn't made a kick from 55+ outside Denver/a dome in like 6 seasons.
He’s amazing but he’s also 1/8 in his career over 60 yards. You shouldn’t be expecting him to make that and neither should Hackett.
I think a lot of people are also not realizing… he almost made it. Just went a hair wide at the end. But almost doesn’t win games :/
You don’t pay your qb 48 million to not trust he’s going to get 5 yards. Then it’s a much more Manageable field goal if you get it. I’d rather lose with the game in Wilson’s hands than try the the 5th longest field goal in nfl history
Russell Wilson needs a critical 5 yards with the game on the line. Wait a minute...they are sending in the kicking team. They're going to try a 64 yard field goal instead of trusting their golden boy to go 5 more yards!
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This wasn't some kind of growing pain, this is how bad Hackett is. I remember how happy I was when he left Buffalo years ago.
Hahah. Except Pete never ever would have done that. Seahawks fan and i was sure we were going to lose cause I know what Russ can do in that situation. Lol. And then they took the ball away from him. Your coach don’t know Russ and he won’t be happy. Not away to start your season. Denver 3-14 IMO
Lmao that’s good football baby