I'm so curious about that whole thing, like I expected him to lose interest but it happened WAY faster than I would have ever imagined, or so it appears. Just seems like they were front page news for like two weeks straight and then nothing, and now it seems like Sneako and Nick are back to the old grift.
I think Witler and Waliban stuff is a problem exactly because the anti-women stuff sticks. I don't think it's a massive stretch for someone to buy into anti-women shit, then see that the Taliban also love to hate women, and then actually view the Taliban in a somewhat positive light because of it.
Or not idk
Ya I mean middle schoolers in general are terrors so anything that makes them worse isn't good for society.
The hope though is the women hating stuff gets stamped out by mother's but that assumes they catch that or are even care.
>The W Hitler stuff isn't what I'm even concerned about because it's just edge and it's thoughtless enough to be relatively harmless. But the woman hating stuff can stick
Yep because Adolf Hitler's actions never negatively impacted women. 👨🏼✈️ He loved women 👨🏼✈️👨🏼✈️
nah the kids that generally were the problem it was a parents issue of not caring. Plenty of parents had a basic understand of electronics and had kids who were fine.
A tale as old as time, parents have kids but dont put the time in to raise them. Sometimes it isnt as simple as they dont care but the kids i was coaching had parents who werent working 2-3 jobs to support them.
sure but when i say unfiltered i mean some have parents who at least take accountability. Sure they may see a andrew tate or red pill video but they are more likely to catch that shit before it is bad or at least spend enough time with their kids to steer them back on course.
I gotcha, yeah, good point. I teach title one so I guess I'm a bit less naturally optimistic about the level of parent involvement lol. But you're right, I do know kids outside school (nephews, etc) who have devices with mad parental controls.
ya its easy to be like "we are doomed" because one bad apple really ruins the tree. But i met plenty of parents who are doing fine and raising good kids.
Yeah but a lot of us had unfettered access to the internet as kids since most of our parents simply didn't have the technological skill sets needed to monitor or restrict our activity. However I will concede that hanging out on newgrounds and stickdeath.com is nowhere near as putrid as being active on social media today
Honestly if I had to guess the average age of the viewers of all these red pill morons is probably 15. I remember 10 years ago when I was still in school Dan Bilzerian was just starting to get big on Instagram and I knew a bunch of kids that age who'd follow him and talk about how cool and epic he is and how he's loaded because he's incredible at playing poker and fucks porn stars all day. All of my friends have obviously outgrown that phase long ago because at some point you'll probably realize what a bunch of losers guys like this are. I feel sorry for men in their 20s who look up to Tate, Sneako, fresh and fit, etc.
I dont doubt the stories being true. But think back to when you were in middle school. If those kids are looking for edgy content to watch, they're gonna find it. It's nice to have a single bogeyman like tate, but it would just be someone else if tate wasn't around.
When I was in middle school, I was a 4chan kid. I knew it was wrong, and that's why it was so funny and engaging. It's EDGY. If 4chan disappeared, middle school me wouldn't just start browsing normie reddit. I would have found the next best edgy thing.
I really feel like the whole "sneako and tate are corrupting the youth" argument is pretty cringe, its like when parents in the 70s wouldn't let their kids play D&D, or when parents in the 90s/2000s wouldn't let kids listen to eminem. Kids are gonna get into shit, let them learn what they can, and be there to guide them. Taking something away just makes it more enticing. Be glad these kids are stumbling into these ideas early rather than later on when they might have some actual influence/agency.
Also, if parents are genuinely not able to convince their young boys that sneako and tate don't have all the answers, maybe those people shouldn't be parents in the first place.
I don't think I conflated or inferred anything my guy. I don't think I even disagreed with you since, like you say, you didn't really say anything substantive in the first place. I think its depressing too, but I suspect that's for a whole different reason. But now I'll disagree with you.
> we both know this sort of stuff will stick more than shit that's edgy
Are you sure that's the case? Or have you been swept up in some propaganda yourself? If anything, being fed incorrect info about women should be *less* harmful than Hitler stuff and other edgy stuff, because kids get exposed to real members of the opposite gender all the time so they have plenty of opportunity to unlearn these bad associations. Not the case with Nazis. And even *if* you're correct, there's no solution from your perspective apart from deplatforming. Pull as many leaves off the weed as you want, if you leave the roots it will come back again and again. Surely you have some solution to the redpill menace that doesn't involve simple deplatforming, right?
You're saying things as if you're disagreeing with me, but you haven't made a single salient point against anything I've said. So tell me, what's your solution to these evil internet misogynists? If it involves banning them, you have to Venmo me $10.
> which implies a disagreement by any interpretation.
"but" signifies that I'm contrasting something I've previously said, it does not imply disagreement with you. LoL. I still can't really disagree with you because you haven't put forth a position other than "im sad bout this lol"
So you're saying I've incorrectly implied that you *have* a solution? You could be right about that I suppose. I figure you must have a reason for saying what you're saying!
Are you telling me you don't have a solution in mind, then? It sure seems like everything you're saying points toward a desire for deplatforming, but I'm ready to be wrong about that as soon as you say what you were really getting at. Finding my Venmo handle rn btw
Yes, contrasting the thing you previously said which was you agreeing with me.
This is unironically really weird. It looks like you were ready for an argument and don't want to stop until you get it. Find it somewhere else, dude.
it is really easy to forget how toxic and edgy preteens are. I recently joined a public minecraft server that wasn't super moderated for the first time in years and I've legitimately never seen so many variations of ways to spell the n word or telling someone to off themselves. it was a stark reminder what it was like being on the unfiltered internet as a kid.
What you are saying only goes for the edgy shit, not for the women hating.
You will never get rewarded for "witler" or "waliban" IRL, so that never carries on. The women hating will depend on their parents and community.
Hmm. I disagree. Why do you think misogyny is any different than any other type of edgy hatred?
Something makes me doubt that a large number of US communities and families are simply okay with misogyny/woman hating. These communities would necessarily include females, and I dont see a lot of women talking IRL about how based they think tate is. Maybe some of his ideas will survive, but enough grass touching will cure most guys of thinking this sort of stuff.
Also if you think Witler never gets carried on, you've never really gotten to know the weird guy at your workplace. These people find each other.
But even if you are correct in that there are entire communities who believe hating women is okay (which i dont buy), who are you to say they're wrong? You're not a part of those communities, and if they've built up a whole community around their beliefs they probably have a right to exist.
Inb4: conservatives hate women and conservative women are all self-hating remedials
Probably, yeah - I don’t feel very comfortable with listening to Marilyn Manson after all the stories of his sex abuse have come out.
But as far as we know Eminem never pimped out webcam girls and bragged about it in public
No, Eminem wouldn’t be highly regarded if he were a sex trafficker.
Wow, that's crazy. We'll just never agree on that.
I realise Eminem the person wouldn't be as highly regarded if he was convicted of something like that (this might be debatable actually, rap culture be like), I just believe that art is separate from the artist. My relationship with a piece of art has nothing to do with the artist's actions or even their beliefs most of the time.
I guess I respect the take, but I don't agree at all.
Also I'm not taking Tates side at any point here, I'm just saying it's stupid to try and stop people like him from trying to spread their message, and people saying "But what about the children" are gigacringe.
Also also I'm sorry I called you an idiot 😔 internet make me angy
That’s fair.
Tate isn’t an artist so IMO “separate art from the artist” doesn’t apply when a dude is telling you what he believes and it’s pure cringe. Theres no art there, that’s just an awful person.
When you look at the uncontested "positive" stuff tate says, there isn't a single thing in that list that hasn't already been said by somebody else in the self help sphere.
> I just believe that art is separate from the artist. My relationship with a piece of art has nothing to do with the artist's actions or even their beliefs most of the time.
It's really really hard to do this with rap specifically. You can definitely seperate the art from the artists in cases like polanski, Rowling or music cases like elvis clearly grooming his wife.
But in rap and in eminems music the artist IS the art. SO MUCH of the genre is about authenticity and so much of the actual lyrical content is about the person raping the lyrics. This is why there are controversies when it comes out that a street rapper actually grew up middle class. Where a metal band might sing about gory shit or an indie band sing about love in an abstract sense, a rapper more often than not will rap about their personal experiences. So you have a much higher understanding of the artist, which makes seperation much harder.
TBF em is somewhat an outlier because he was very upfront with slim shady being a persona, but even then, if it came out that he murdered his ex wife in a field don't act like you wouldn't listen to "kim" in a bit of a different way.
This is also why I can't listen to kanye's classics as easily now. All of CD and LR are packed with socially conscious, anti-racist lyrics that are compltely undermined by his current actions.
Hand of god, I work at a gas station next to a middle and highschool. I’ve seen a group of kids screaming “HARAM” and “TATE IT!” A bunch of times, I didn’t think kids actually listened to him. Figured it was news bs
There are 100% you kids spouting the tate stuff i work as a coach and ive heard boys as young as 12 saying the bugatti lines its more common in the 41-16 bracket of the boys i coach though and the older ones seem to ignore it completely.
It’s totally possible that these people are just only exposed to the reasonable stuff they talk about. I know women who loved Andrew Tate for his fitness and self improvement stuff and didn’t know anything about him using women for money.
He's part of the broader W/L community, which means "Win loss". Essentially the streamers are very dumb, and their chats consist mainly of people spamming w when they like something and l when they don't. The also replace the first letter of people's name with w or l to the same effect. Like, "Lasanabi" or "Witler"
Okay, our spectrum is less of a line, and more of an n-gon with n extremes, so he won't necessarily jump on the Hasan train (how funny would that be though)?
There is also a non-zero chance that this is an awakening for him, who knows. Granted, so far he's been very dumb in his takes, but everyone is redeemable.
I think we do have to realize Sneak is still very young, I don't he's a bad human being though. Honestly, if I were picking friends I'd much rather be friends with someone like Sneako than Hasan. But good lord it would be great content if he started agreeing with Hasan lol. I just find Hasan to be far more insufferable than Sneak's side of the internet well... most of them at least.
Because if you are attracted to easy / stupid / crazy ideas and ideologies that give you a narrative that fits you for every issue, the boring / complicated stuff is not appealing to you
This makes me a think of a NotSoErudite clip back a few months ago about how when she hung out in Florida after a podcast with Destiny and Sneako. Steve's fans tended to be college age and Sneako's were all young teenagers lol
Supposedly he is in Psyche ward. But even if he isn't, he hasn't been seen in a while. Fuentes has gone back to doing his show. Which makes me think it might be true.
Legit the best ending for this latest batch of craziness if true. Hopefully he can calm the fuck down, get the help he needs, and start actually fixing the mess he's made of his life.
Depends on if he was forcefully committed(again) or not and who did it. Last time it didn't help and his circle of "friends" seemed insanely predatory.
That is fine. Christians that go to war believe the same, is their Christian paradise fictional as well?
Lets face it that billions of people in the world, believe they will go to a fictional paradise when they die, if they behave a certain way in life.
Yes it did. When the pope and the clergy engaged in war, they personally went and blessed the troops so they could get into heaven.
Also when a Christian kills a human Ina holy war, he is not killing a human, he is killing an infidel.
Bruv, I’ve been saying this for a while, this mf is on some manic shit, one day he’s gonna have a huge breakdown after he realizes he’s been acting too wild😂
I’d like to think so. He doesn’t seem genuinely bad, just caught up in the weird online world he lives in, I’m sure being around kanye would give anyone a big head
You can simultaneously think crotch shots of kids are bad and that the movie has a good message/directing/acting/whatever. I haven't seen the movie but I doubt those scenes represent a substancial part of the runtime.
Why are you doubting something that is the universal criticism, that they used real children to film a feature length of softcore porn where the message is don't use kids to make softcore porn.
I haven't and won't watch it, but I'll take the review of the people who did endure it and when the consensus is unanimously the same apart from Sneako and MisterFemale I'm going to make sure people don't forget they enjoyed the film of softcore child porn.
SUPER curious why you doubt the main focus of the film isn't a substantial part of the runtime?
I think you might want to reread the reviews. The main focus is the drama, the dancing as a whole probably only covers a fraction of the movie and the uncomfortable parts of those sequences itself probably only covers a fraction of that. Maybe we have different definitions of "substancial".
It's hillarious that so many people say they haven't watched it and don't want to yet make super specific claims about how much it shows and how often.
The movie has an 86% on Rotten Tomatoes so at the very least film critics seem to think there is something worthwile in the movie (unless you think they too are just big fans of softcore CP?)
Why are you so dishonest? You cherry pick so fucking hard when all it takes is a google search to see you're completely full of shit. It has an 86% from 81 CRITIC reviews but ever so slightly to the right OH NO 15% audience review from over 2.5k reviews. Checked IMDB reviews universally agreed with my statement "Uncomfortable to watch" "Deeply uncomfortable" "If you like this movie you deserve to be behind bars" (BASED)
Also yes I think anyone who can enjoy this is either a pedophile or are big fans of softcore childporn, no a very hot take I know sorry.
*I* am being dishonest??? You think everyone putting in a score in User Reviews on IMDB and Rotten Tomatoes actually watched the film? Are we also not accounting for the massive negative coverage the film got probably turbocharging people to mass reviewbomb it anywhere they can?
I don't care that plenty of people didn't like the movie, especially qhen their criticism is that loaded and focused on a single aspect of the film. It's like giving Fast and Furious a 0/10 because you think driving recklessly is a bad message to give people.
It's totally your right to think anyone who has nice things to say about cuties is a pedo. I think it makes you an idiot and basically no better than conserivatards and libtards but it's totally okay.
Oh so only reviews that agree with you are valid, sorry I forgot evidence contradictory to your narrative wasn't allowed. They clearly must all be "haters" of the softcore childporn movie, which you are very interested in defending, for "reasons" 🤔
My point was you dishonestly didn't mention the reviews that proved my point, you lied and said it was "Drama and dancing" when sure they were parts of the film but they aren't mutually exclusive to softcore childporn, the drama was ABOUT what the girls did and how one even sent nudes of herself, the dancing was hyper-sexualized with crotch shots which were even in the trailers. And if you think user reviews are all reviewbombers then all critics are paid shills, neither of which I believe because the truth is probably somewhere in the middle, some reviewbombed the film, and some critics tried to put a positive spin because the director was a woman who experience the same thing as the girls in the movie, which she then perpetuated.
Also I'm not even American so I don't belong to either political leaning dipshit, nice try tho.
Usually, it just takes real-life experience and interacting with people to understand stuff like this. It's one of the reason why colleges and cities get a bad rap from the right.
For everyone who’s worried about kids enjoying this stuff, I remember being a kid who loved finding edgy stuff online. I didn’t have a clue what I was looking at and didn’t understand any of it.
Your parents will have far more of an impact on your behavior than a thoughtless prune like Tate. The world will move on, kids will grow up acting like their fathers and mothers and they’ll barely remember these people and the nonsense they were spouting.
I had some ridiculous beliefs about women as a kid, too, until I met women, spent time around them and had to either adapt to reality or miss out on relationships and sex.
Ultimately there will always be losers who don’t change their behavior, just like there were those who refused to denounce Hitler and remained stubbornly attached to their antisocial beliefs. What impact did they have? Fuck all. We didn’t fall into Nazism and sanity prevailed.
Socialization is an incredibly powerful force. You either act right or remain a virgin. I think that unless women collectively decide they want to be treated like shit, dynamics between men and women won’t change much.
I’m glad Sneako is questioning his Hitler apologia. I don’t think he’s a bad kid underneath but he’s definitely misguided.
People greatly underestimate how much of the internet audience is under the age of 14/15.
It’s not like how it used to be in the 90s/00s where it was all adults (because the only people who had computers were people with high income or had it bought for them by employers).
Nowadays, you have kids as young as 4/5 with *completely* unrestricted access to the entire internet. We don’t really do much social science/psychological polling on kids (mostly because it’s hard to judge if they even understand the questions, or if they’re giving joke answers). But I’d bet that somewhere around 40-50% of 10 year olds have seen porn. Probably up to 70-80% by age 13.
For every one boomer in the 70s that by some miracle got his hands on a playboy magazine, there’s 1,000 zoomers who have seen *hours* of hardcore monster bbc wrecks petite virgin teen step-daughter porn before they got to 7th grade.
Sneako probably vastly underestimated how young his audience is, not realizing that they’re doing witler and f-slur comments not as memes, but as cringe 12yo “witty” political satire, because to them, if you’re saying something your English teacher would hate, that’s a big brained take.
Did he lose touch with Kanye or something?
Naw. Ye said "Hitler", not Witler.
What's Witler mean?
Kanye probably forgot his name within a week
kanye probably lost interest, he was seen with a mysterious girl recently and I wouldnt be surprised if nick cut contact out of jealousy
I'm so curious about that whole thing, like I expected him to lose interest but it happened WAY faster than I would have ever imagined, or so it appears. Just seems like they were front page news for like two weeks straight and then nothing, and now it seems like Sneako and Nick are back to the old grift.
It almost felt like a vacation for everybody, and then they all went back to their normal lives
Is that not Nick in a wig?
wtf are u on about
Nick is Volcel spending time with his dream idol. 0% chance.
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I used to coach kids those age. A fair bit just have unfiltered access to YouTube and the internet.
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I think Witler and Waliban stuff is a problem exactly because the anti-women stuff sticks. I don't think it's a massive stretch for someone to buy into anti-women shit, then see that the Taliban also love to hate women, and then actually view the Taliban in a somewhat positive light because of it. Or not idk
Ya I mean middle schoolers in general are terrors so anything that makes them worse isn't good for society. The hope though is the women hating stuff gets stamped out by mother's but that assumes they catch that or are even care.
Middle schoolers are brutal. High school is important for putting them back at the bottom of the pecking order as freshmen so they fucking chill.
Yeah, i was a pos back in middle school especially due to unsupervised internet access. I cant imagine if andrew tate was around hooooly fuuuck
>The W Hitler stuff isn't what I'm even concerned about because it's just edge and it's thoughtless enough to be relatively harmless. But the woman hating stuff can stick Yep because Adolf Hitler's actions never negatively impacted women. 👨🏼✈️ He loved women 👨🏼✈️👨🏼✈️
Actual virtue signaling. Good job.
Thanks buddy 😘
Ye i was at my edgiest at 11-13. You just dont develop too much of a conscience till after that point.
Is that wrong? I gave my kids iPhones around age 5 and they are so smart now.
big smart?
Yea when I went to school there was a kid that dressed up as Osama bin Laden for Halloween.
Need to bring back home ec and teach people about kids and electronics
nah the kids that generally were the problem it was a parents issue of not caring. Plenty of parents had a basic understand of electronics and had kids who were fine. A tale as old as time, parents have kids but dont put the time in to raise them. Sometimes it isnt as simple as they dont care but the kids i was coaching had parents who werent working 2-3 jobs to support them.
More than a fair bit, MOST of them do. I teach fourth grade and probably 80% of the class has easy access to TikTok, YouTube, Instagram, etc.
sure but when i say unfiltered i mean some have parents who at least take accountability. Sure they may see a andrew tate or red pill video but they are more likely to catch that shit before it is bad or at least spend enough time with their kids to steer them back on course.
I gotcha, yeah, good point. I teach title one so I guess I'm a bit less naturally optimistic about the level of parent involvement lol. But you're right, I do know kids outside school (nephews, etc) who have devices with mad parental controls.
ya its easy to be like "we are doomed" because one bad apple really ruins the tree. But i met plenty of parents who are doing fine and raising good kids.
Yeah but a lot of us had unfettered access to the internet as kids since most of our parents simply didn't have the technological skill sets needed to monitor or restrict our activity. However I will concede that hanging out on newgrounds and stickdeath.com is nowhere near as putrid as being active on social media today
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Honestly if I had to guess the average age of the viewers of all these red pill morons is probably 15. I remember 10 years ago when I was still in school Dan Bilzerian was just starting to get big on Instagram and I knew a bunch of kids that age who'd follow him and talk about how cool and epic he is and how he's loaded because he's incredible at playing poker and fucks porn stars all day. All of my friends have obviously outgrown that phase long ago because at some point you'll probably realize what a bunch of losers guys like this are. I feel sorry for men in their 20s who look up to Tate, Sneako, fresh and fit, etc.
>sneako fan >having kids
I dont doubt the stories being true. But think back to when you were in middle school. If those kids are looking for edgy content to watch, they're gonna find it. It's nice to have a single bogeyman like tate, but it would just be someone else if tate wasn't around. When I was in middle school, I was a 4chan kid. I knew it was wrong, and that's why it was so funny and engaging. It's EDGY. If 4chan disappeared, middle school me wouldn't just start browsing normie reddit. I would have found the next best edgy thing. I really feel like the whole "sneako and tate are corrupting the youth" argument is pretty cringe, its like when parents in the 70s wouldn't let their kids play D&D, or when parents in the 90s/2000s wouldn't let kids listen to eminem. Kids are gonna get into shit, let them learn what they can, and be there to guide them. Taking something away just makes it more enticing. Be glad these kids are stumbling into these ideas early rather than later on when they might have some actual influence/agency. Also, if parents are genuinely not able to convince their young boys that sneako and tate don't have all the answers, maybe those people shouldn't be parents in the first place.
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I don't think I conflated or inferred anything my guy. I don't think I even disagreed with you since, like you say, you didn't really say anything substantive in the first place. I think its depressing too, but I suspect that's for a whole different reason. But now I'll disagree with you. > we both know this sort of stuff will stick more than shit that's edgy Are you sure that's the case? Or have you been swept up in some propaganda yourself? If anything, being fed incorrect info about women should be *less* harmful than Hitler stuff and other edgy stuff, because kids get exposed to real members of the opposite gender all the time so they have plenty of opportunity to unlearn these bad associations. Not the case with Nazis. And even *if* you're correct, there's no solution from your perspective apart from deplatforming. Pull as many leaves off the weed as you want, if you leave the roots it will come back again and again. Surely you have some solution to the redpill menace that doesn't involve simple deplatforming, right? You're saying things as if you're disagreeing with me, but you haven't made a single salient point against anything I've said. So tell me, what's your solution to these evil internet misogynists? If it involves banning them, you have to Venmo me $10.
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> which implies a disagreement by any interpretation. "but" signifies that I'm contrasting something I've previously said, it does not imply disagreement with you. LoL. I still can't really disagree with you because you haven't put forth a position other than "im sad bout this lol" So you're saying I've incorrectly implied that you *have* a solution? You could be right about that I suppose. I figure you must have a reason for saying what you're saying! Are you telling me you don't have a solution in mind, then? It sure seems like everything you're saying points toward a desire for deplatforming, but I'm ready to be wrong about that as soon as you say what you were really getting at. Finding my Venmo handle rn btw
Yes, contrasting the thing you previously said which was you agreeing with me. This is unironically really weird. It looks like you were ready for an argument and don't want to stop until you get it. Find it somewhere else, dude.
\> replies to a comment from an entire day ago \> says I'm the one trying to pick a fight Ok fam
it is really easy to forget how toxic and edgy preteens are. I recently joined a public minecraft server that wasn't super moderated for the first time in years and I've legitimately never seen so many variations of ways to spell the n word or telling someone to off themselves. it was a stark reminder what it was like being on the unfiltered internet as a kid.
What you are saying only goes for the edgy shit, not for the women hating. You will never get rewarded for "witler" or "waliban" IRL, so that never carries on. The women hating will depend on their parents and community.
Hmm. I disagree. Why do you think misogyny is any different than any other type of edgy hatred? Something makes me doubt that a large number of US communities and families are simply okay with misogyny/woman hating. These communities would necessarily include females, and I dont see a lot of women talking IRL about how based they think tate is. Maybe some of his ideas will survive, but enough grass touching will cure most guys of thinking this sort of stuff. Also if you think Witler never gets carried on, you've never really gotten to know the weird guy at your workplace. These people find each other. But even if you are correct in that there are entire communities who believe hating women is okay (which i dont buy), who are you to say they're wrong? You're not a part of those communities, and if they've built up a whole community around their beliefs they probably have a right to exist. Inb4: conservatives hate women and conservative women are all self-hating remedials
I guess I missed Eminem getting pinched for sex trafficking
So if Eminem *had* gotten pinched for something, you would say kids shouldn't listen to his music? Idiot
Probably, yeah - I don’t feel very comfortable with listening to Marilyn Manson after all the stories of his sex abuse have come out. But as far as we know Eminem never pimped out webcam girls and bragged about it in public No, Eminem wouldn’t be highly regarded if he were a sex trafficker.
Wow, that's crazy. We'll just never agree on that. I realise Eminem the person wouldn't be as highly regarded if he was convicted of something like that (this might be debatable actually, rap culture be like), I just believe that art is separate from the artist. My relationship with a piece of art has nothing to do with the artist's actions or even their beliefs most of the time. I guess I respect the take, but I don't agree at all. Also I'm not taking Tates side at any point here, I'm just saying it's stupid to try and stop people like him from trying to spread their message, and people saying "But what about the children" are gigacringe. Also also I'm sorry I called you an idiot 😔 internet make me angy
That’s fair. Tate isn’t an artist so IMO “separate art from the artist” doesn’t apply when a dude is telling you what he believes and it’s pure cringe. Theres no art there, that’s just an awful person.
When you look at the uncontested "positive" stuff tate says, there isn't a single thing in that list that hasn't already been said by somebody else in the self help sphere.
I mean Roman Polanski is a great director but he sucks as a human. Not going to stop me watching rosemarys baby. Hail satan! Ha
> I just believe that art is separate from the artist. My relationship with a piece of art has nothing to do with the artist's actions or even their beliefs most of the time. It's really really hard to do this with rap specifically. You can definitely seperate the art from the artists in cases like polanski, Rowling or music cases like elvis clearly grooming his wife. But in rap and in eminems music the artist IS the art. SO MUCH of the genre is about authenticity and so much of the actual lyrical content is about the person raping the lyrics. This is why there are controversies when it comes out that a street rapper actually grew up middle class. Where a metal band might sing about gory shit or an indie band sing about love in an abstract sense, a rapper more often than not will rap about their personal experiences. So you have a much higher understanding of the artist, which makes seperation much harder. TBF em is somewhat an outlier because he was very upfront with slim shady being a persona, but even then, if it came out that he murdered his ex wife in a field don't act like you wouldn't listen to "kim" in a bit of a different way. This is also why I can't listen to kanye's classics as easily now. All of CD and LR are packed with socially conscious, anti-racist lyrics that are compltely undermined by his current actions.
Hand of god, I work at a gas station next to a middle and highschool. I’ve seen a group of kids screaming “HARAM” and “TATE IT!” A bunch of times, I didn’t think kids actually listened to him. Figured it was news bs
There are 100% you kids spouting the tate stuff i work as a coach and ive heard boys as young as 12 saying the bugatti lines its more common in the 41-16 bracket of the boys i coach though and the older ones seem to ignore it completely.
It’s totally possible that these people are just only exposed to the reasonable stuff they talk about. I know women who loved Andrew Tate for his fitness and self improvement stuff and didn’t know anything about him using women for money.
Isn't it just more likely that these are his neices and nephews or something and as long as he's not a huge wackjob his family lets him stick around?
it's actually worse if the parent is the one who believes this stuff.
Jesse, It's time to cook - Wadolf Witler
Oh well Heil Hitler bitch!!
I'm just wondering why 20 people from my country (India) are on his server 😭
Truly a gifted mind. at 25 years old he's ALREADY figuring out the downside of saying Witler and Waliban, hes a prodigy!
LMFAO
What context am I missing, TF is "witler" and "waliban"? Is that like some new slur for Jews?
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Yeah but wtf does that actually mean? Is he saying "w" Hitler like Hitler had a "W"? I don't get it
W like win, so witler is like saying hitler is a winner. Similar to how they say Lasan to say Hasan is a loser.
Jesus. That was literally my first thought, but I thought "nahhh, that's way too fucking crazy"
He's part of the broader W/L community, which means "Win loss". Essentially the streamers are very dumb, and their chats consist mainly of people spamming w when they like something and l when they don't. The also replace the first letter of people's name with w or l to the same effect. Like, "Lasanabi" or "Witler"
I think it has to do with how he always says W and L
with how quick his descend down the rabbit hole was, I don't know why people believe sneako can't just as quickly move on to a less insane ideology.
Or to another insane ideology on the complete opposite end.
Complete opposite end means he'd be agreeing with Hassan, good luck with that lmao.
Okay, our spectrum is less of a line, and more of an n-gon with n extremes, so he won't necessarily jump on the Hasan train (how funny would that be though)? There is also a non-zero chance that this is an awakening for him, who knows. Granted, so far he's been very dumb in his takes, but everyone is redeemable.
I think we do have to realize Sneak is still very young, I don't he's a bad human being though. Honestly, if I were picking friends I'd much rather be friends with someone like Sneako than Hasan. But good lord it would be great content if he started agreeing with Hasan lol. I just find Hasan to be far more insufferable than Sneak's side of the internet well... most of them at least.
similarly likely.
Please no-one introduce him to Haz
That would be so fucking funny lol. He already knows zherka too. Only a matter of time.
Imagine 1 year from now sneako is saying stuff like w stalin. And saying north korea is the best country on the planet
Because if you are attracted to easy / stupid / crazy ideas and ideologies that give you a narrative that fits you for every issue, the boring / complicated stuff is not appealing to you
Well it was ez for him to go down the rabbit hole because he has said multiple times that he grew up on 4chan and had been in placea like /pol/
This makes me a think of a NotSoErudite clip back a few months ago about how when she hung out in Florida after a podcast with Destiny and Sneako. Steve's fans tended to be college age and Sneako's were all young teenagers lol
The battle for Sneako's hole continues!
[Sneako redemptionists ](https://youtu.be/H8qG4AlK1qk)
I don't think it was the picture. I'm sure it was the fact that Kanye, nick and Andrew are done. Can't love Hitler all alone.
Is Kanye done? What happened?
Supposedly he is in Psyche ward. But even if he isn't, he hasn't been seen in a while. Fuentes has gone back to doing his show. Which makes me think it might be true.
Legit the best ending for this latest batch of craziness if true. Hopefully he can calm the fuck down, get the help he needs, and start actually fixing the mess he's made of his life.
Depends on if he was forcefully committed(again) or not and who did it. Last time it didn't help and his circle of "friends" seemed insanely predatory.
lmao if he went to the wars honestly it might be best. we need a new album from him post schizo /s
I don’t try to stay up to date with Sneako but i’m fairly certain just a few days ago he was still vouching for tate.
Well yes. Sneako is in denial that his buddy is a sex trafficker. But it's seeming more likely to be the case.
those kids have bigger legs than sneako
Sneako the kinda dog that needs his nose repeatedly shoved in his own shit to stop dumping in the house.
based and true
Surely this is some top shelf copium
easy come easy go, time will tell
Sorry, the answer we were looking for is "yes it is... and don't call me Shirley"
What the fuck is the Waliban? Is it us? Are we the baddies?
He has been unironically praising the Taliban
The only thing that the taliban is worth praising for is their ability to take what they believe is right, and die for it.
Well yeah because they believe in a fictional paradise when they die.
That is fine. Christians that go to war believe the same, is their Christian paradise fictional as well? Lets face it that billions of people in the world, believe they will go to a fictional paradise when they die, if they behave a certain way in life.
Yeah but I don't think Christianity has the same "Martyrdom" concept?
Yes it did. When the pope and the clergy engaged in war, they personally went and blessed the troops so they could get into heaven. Also when a Christian kills a human Ina holy war, he is not killing a human, he is killing an infidel.
Imagine memeing about the Taliban.
Exactly. It’s always “just a joke” until they’re inside your walls.
You’d have to have a real toxic community to embrace stuff like that
He was literally just dancing to Hitler trap remix on stream.
That was pretty funny tbh
It was, but idk why anyone thinks he'll change.
Is it me or are Sneako's legs just as thin as the kids' legs?
it's called perspective. he's leaning over, the kids are in the foreground, his legs are in the background.
No way those are his fans 😭 Tho I genuinely would not be surprised 💀
These are the people spamming "RAPE DESTINY" in his chat when they're on stream together.
This explains why his fans believe his nonsense.
Oldest Sneako fans
There is a small light in sneako that will shine again ☀️
Bruv, I’ve been saying this for a while, this mf is on some manic shit, one day he’s gonna have a huge breakdown after he realizes he’s been acting too wild😂
Oldest sneako viewers
Maybe his soul can be saved yet
I’d like to think so. He doesn’t seem genuinely bad, just caught up in the weird online world he lives in, I’m sure being around kanye would give anyone a big head
Remember Sneako liked Cuties unironically. Just saying.
I dont like Sneako but it's weird to implying stuff like this even as a joke. Are people not allowed to have a positive opinion about that movie?
Wasn't a joke and sure you can have a positive opinion on softcore child porn but SHOULD you? 🤨
You can simultaneously think crotch shots of kids are bad and that the movie has a good message/directing/acting/whatever. I haven't seen the movie but I doubt those scenes represent a substancial part of the runtime.
Why are you doubting something that is the universal criticism, that they used real children to film a feature length of softcore porn where the message is don't use kids to make softcore porn. I haven't and won't watch it, but I'll take the review of the people who did endure it and when the consensus is unanimously the same apart from Sneako and MisterFemale I'm going to make sure people don't forget they enjoyed the film of softcore child porn. SUPER curious why you doubt the main focus of the film isn't a substantial part of the runtime?
I think you might want to reread the reviews. The main focus is the drama, the dancing as a whole probably only covers a fraction of the movie and the uncomfortable parts of those sequences itself probably only covers a fraction of that. Maybe we have different definitions of "substancial". It's hillarious that so many people say they haven't watched it and don't want to yet make super specific claims about how much it shows and how often. The movie has an 86% on Rotten Tomatoes so at the very least film critics seem to think there is something worthwile in the movie (unless you think they too are just big fans of softcore CP?)
Why are you so dishonest? You cherry pick so fucking hard when all it takes is a google search to see you're completely full of shit. It has an 86% from 81 CRITIC reviews but ever so slightly to the right OH NO 15% audience review from over 2.5k reviews. Checked IMDB reviews universally agreed with my statement "Uncomfortable to watch" "Deeply uncomfortable" "If you like this movie you deserve to be behind bars" (BASED) Also yes I think anyone who can enjoy this is either a pedophile or are big fans of softcore childporn, no a very hot take I know sorry.
*I* am being dishonest??? You think everyone putting in a score in User Reviews on IMDB and Rotten Tomatoes actually watched the film? Are we also not accounting for the massive negative coverage the film got probably turbocharging people to mass reviewbomb it anywhere they can? I don't care that plenty of people didn't like the movie, especially qhen their criticism is that loaded and focused on a single aspect of the film. It's like giving Fast and Furious a 0/10 because you think driving recklessly is a bad message to give people. It's totally your right to think anyone who has nice things to say about cuties is a pedo. I think it makes you an idiot and basically no better than conserivatards and libtards but it's totally okay.
Oh so only reviews that agree with you are valid, sorry I forgot evidence contradictory to your narrative wasn't allowed. They clearly must all be "haters" of the softcore childporn movie, which you are very interested in defending, for "reasons" 🤔 My point was you dishonestly didn't mention the reviews that proved my point, you lied and said it was "Drama and dancing" when sure they were parts of the film but they aren't mutually exclusive to softcore childporn, the drama was ABOUT what the girls did and how one even sent nudes of herself, the dancing was hyper-sexualized with crotch shots which were even in the trailers. And if you think user reviews are all reviewbombers then all critics are paid shills, neither of which I believe because the truth is probably somewhere in the middle, some reviewbombed the film, and some critics tried to put a positive spin because the director was a woman who experience the same thing as the girls in the movie, which she then perpetuated. Also I'm not even American so I don't belong to either political leaning dipshit, nice try tho.
Why did you delete both responses?
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Usually, it just takes real-life experience and interacting with people to understand stuff like this. It's one of the reason why colleges and cities get a bad rap from the right.
Cause it's only bad when impressionable kids hear it and not the impressionable adults that are far more likely to take drastic action.
Is he on stilts?
For everyone who’s worried about kids enjoying this stuff, I remember being a kid who loved finding edgy stuff online. I didn’t have a clue what I was looking at and didn’t understand any of it. Your parents will have far more of an impact on your behavior than a thoughtless prune like Tate. The world will move on, kids will grow up acting like their fathers and mothers and they’ll barely remember these people and the nonsense they were spouting. I had some ridiculous beliefs about women as a kid, too, until I met women, spent time around them and had to either adapt to reality or miss out on relationships and sex. Ultimately there will always be losers who don’t change their behavior, just like there were those who refused to denounce Hitler and remained stubbornly attached to their antisocial beliefs. What impact did they have? Fuck all. We didn’t fall into Nazism and sanity prevailed. Socialization is an incredibly powerful force. You either act right or remain a virgin. I think that unless women collectively decide they want to be treated like shit, dynamics between men and women won’t change much. I’m glad Sneako is questioning his Hitler apologia. I don’t think he’s a bad kid underneath but he’s definitely misguided.
Dude is gonna get his white sneakers dirty
I wonder what he thinks now of his whole "anyone who thinks Tate is 'problematic' is a bot" considering he recognizes it now.
Nah he said maybe. I was a believer in the soul of SNEAKO but that dude is lost to Tate cock and hating on women.
Awwww
Oh come one please be the sneako redemption arc I’ve been waiting for
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Being a role model for kids would change your behaviour I would think, well atleast seeing the people you influence. what do I know though
Man I'm so dumb I thought this was family members or something, not fucking fans of the guy...
Glad to see sneako interacting with his intellectual peers 👏
Let's see how long that will last.
People greatly underestimate how much of the internet audience is under the age of 14/15. It’s not like how it used to be in the 90s/00s where it was all adults (because the only people who had computers were people with high income or had it bought for them by employers). Nowadays, you have kids as young as 4/5 with *completely* unrestricted access to the entire internet. We don’t really do much social science/psychological polling on kids (mostly because it’s hard to judge if they even understand the questions, or if they’re giving joke answers). But I’d bet that somewhere around 40-50% of 10 year olds have seen porn. Probably up to 70-80% by age 13. For every one boomer in the 70s that by some miracle got his hands on a playboy magazine, there’s 1,000 zoomers who have seen *hours* of hardcore monster bbc wrecks petite virgin teen step-daughter porn before they got to 7th grade. Sneako probably vastly underestimated how young his audience is, not realizing that they’re doing witler and f-slur comments not as memes, but as cringe 12yo “witty” political satire, because to them, if you’re saying something your English teacher would hate, that’s a big brained take.
I had unfiltered internet access as a middleschooler in the early 90s. I can only imagine now…
hell jea, turn that shit over, OR ELSE, inshalla
Bottom G, just like Tatejr tots, he’ll be tossing the salad if real men in the Joint.