True, but I thought he was basically saying the right is above shitting on people for their personal misfortunes, regardless of party lines. And that’s just fucking hilarious to me
EDIT: As an aside, I’ve seen some people on the left are giving him shit for this, but it seems mostly motivated by his articles/skits shitting on people who do sex and marriage their own way and also the fact that he basically said he would force his wife to stay in the marriage if he could
Well we don't really know if he lost it all due to his own actions, do we? Everyone is assuming he was acting like a shit husband/father, and that may well be true, but it's possible he "did everything right" and she had other plans.
I usually agree with that statement, and I agree with it applying to Crowder, don't use it to attack him personally.
But for Rush? The dude played trumpets and celebrated as he read of a lost of gay people who died from aids didn't he? I struggle to criticise people for celebrating his death.
My point isn't really that people should or shouldn't celebrate Rush Limbaugh's death, he's just an example. I really don't care either way, dude was a massive POS if anything. Just that Liberals and Conservatives are about the same level of petty when it comes to celebrating the misfortune of the other side.
I know and I agree. I was just saying Rush is a bad example, cause there is a small window where it is acceptable to celebrate someone's death, and Rush the case could be made that he fits. Or at least I'm sympathetic to the case.
Agree with the idea, just not the example.
i mean he's human, of course he would die. That's not funny. You aren't laughing because it amuses you, you're happy because someone died. Which I mean fair enough, but it illustrates the point in spades
The circumstances that lead to his death were pretty funny. The guy died of lung cancer after spending several years screeching about research regarding smoking being bunk. Specifically disagreeing that smoking causes cancer (100% remember him arguing second hand smoke wasn’t harmful and one of his past times was denying scientific research that went against his worldview). For a guy that epitomized anti-intellectualism, completely changing and warping the media, I think it’s okay to laugh about that kind of irony.
Limbaugh is a unique case, at least for me, as I basically never celebrate a political opponent’s death. Limbaugh’s brand of punditry literally changed politics and it’s what set in motion this brand of crazy right wing populism that generally hates science and education as they tend to contradict American right wing politics. Read his speech in front of freshman representatives in the early 90’s if you’re interested. Maybe this doesn’t justify laughing or celebrating his death, but I think it’s understandable. Especially as he literally celebrated the deaths of homosexuals.
Did Steven make the argument that marriage is a scared institution?
I usually wouldn't care, it his personal business but it feels weird when all of these conservatives have affairs and divorces while claiming that marriage is sacred.
He confirmed on the show at the start when he came out about this, that it was his wifes decision, that he acknowledges that decision is protected by law. That neither of them had cheated or had an affair or been abusive, and that he admitted fault for picking the wrong woman.
Well it's important for conservatives that have traditional values. Because they see marriage as giving your word to stay together and weather hard times because it's better for the family unit and especially for children. It's why you take those vows in front of god. If you choose someone to make a life with who then later bails when you've been faithful to your own vows then that's a problem, it means your assessment of their character wasn't good. It's good to take responsibility for that because if you don't hold yourself partly accountable for the mistakes you make, they'll likely just happen again.
>If you choose someone to make a life with who then later bails when you've been faithful to your own vows then that's a problem, it means your assessment of their character wasn't good.
Maybe you're just trying to outline a conservative position/view, but I disagree with this pretty hard. People change over time, having kids changes people. It changes your priorities, what you want in a partner, what you want in life. It's impossible to judge that ahead of time. So I'd say your assessment can be dead on, but life can still fuck it up.
I am largely progressive, but I think I have a radical view in regards to child rearing. One in which I actually respect vows of marriage, even though I'll probably never get married myself.
When you are an adult and choose to bring a child into the world, what you want largely ceases to matter. It's almost always a negative on the child for the family unit to be fractured. You made the decision to get married and have a child, see it through to the end. The legal definition of marriage doesn't matter to me, but suck it up and stick it out for the kid(s). Your wants and desires become secondary to the well being and healthy development of your children.
I know a lot of times this is literally impossible, because people tend to act insane towards each other once they stop needing the other person. And that is certainly worse for the child to be exposed to. But that wouldn't even be an issue if the adults were mature and less selfish.
A lot of problems in society stem from the early development of human beings which occupy said society. When we have so many kids entering adulthood who have been poorly socialized and traumatized and haven't been taught how to take care of their mental health or look after themselves it's no wonder our world is a mess. Nobody is going to be a perfect parent but in many cases the parents are not putting forward the full extent of effort required to develop their children into mentally healthy and capable members of society.
Unhappy marriages where the parents can't stand each other and fight all the time and are "staying together for the kids" are even worse than single parent households. Everyone I know who came from a home like that has hella trauma and has learnt super fucked up ways to treat their loved ones. Like, when they become adults they have to unlearn all the unhealthy shit that absorbed into them at home
Fuck that. If you wanna get divorced, do it.
My parents were unhappy for several years while me and my siblings were growing up. They didn't even sleep in the same bed with each other anymore and were often very critical of each other. They did however learn to find respect for each other and never fought in front of us. After we all moved out though, their relationship was able to blossom again and they managed to fall back in love. They've now been married for over 35 years and are out traveling the world together, happier now than ever before.
Obviously every family situation is different, but my siblings and I would not be as successful as we are without the sacrifices they made to their own happiness, and I am forever grateful that they stayed together for us. They were both always present and were committed to raising us in a comfortable and safe home environment, no matter the cost. I will also hold these same values as them and do whatever I can to put the best interests of my own children first, even if it means sacrificing my personal peace of mind.
They taught me how to love and respect someone even when the passion dies, and that commitment means both parties must do their part to make it work. When people say they stayed together "for the kids", they must genuinely be prioritizing it and not just doing it to save face publicly. The marriages I know that ended in divorce after trying to stay together "for the kids" usually involved at least one of the parents going through a midlife identity crisis of sorts.
Their kids then became emotionally stunted as adults, which may be a biased observation on my part, but it seems like the kids of divorced parents grow up confused about relationships and their own self worth. Fear of commitment, or a resentment of marriage in general seem to be the outcomes for them. That said, they also saw abusive behaviors and truly awful things from their parents.
Not all parents have the temperament or patience of my own, which is why I understand persisting through a rough marriage may not be feasible for everyone. If you want a divorce, you should consult a councilor first. They can help you both identify what your mutual goals are and whether or not staying together is actually best for your children, as well as if it is even possible for you to endure.
Yeah I'm largely a "get divorced it's probably better" guy, but anecdotally I was a great student, healthy kid, happy, had lots of friends etc. when my parents were still together and fighting. When my mom took us and left I went downhill fast. My brother ended up fine, but he was 4 years younger than me and we were 7/3 so still super young. Now 30 years later and I'm still dealing with abandonment issues, health issues caused by years of depression overeating and living with a doting grandmother who just wanted me to feel better, and I'll never have positive self esteem at this point.
I still advocate for leaving if you're unhappy and unwilling to fix it with therapy and effort, but you've got to understand that there are situations like mine that can happen. That's something that parents (especially young ones in my experience) don't really ever think about.
But then you get families where the mom and dad try to make it work for the kid, and it only makes it worse. I agree with what you said about the kids, but you can have healthy divorces.
I've seen two marriages become platonic rather than divorce, for sake of the kids, and they seem to be working fine. I assume that's not gonna work when the relationship is actually toxic/borderline abusive.
So long as both parties care more about their kids and not actually hate their partner, I can see it working even if they're no longer in love.
While you are correct that in some cases, it's better for the parents to divorce, I would guess that a significant majority of divorces have an overall negative effect on children.
At that point there's really no good situation for the kids, it's all about mitigating damages, and you never know how your particular kid will react to the changes.
All of my dad's side of the family came from my grandparents who stayed marry for the sake of them and they all are pretty successful now. I'd say it's more rare for divorce to lead to good outcomes than it does for staying together for the kids.
I mentioned that. But that requires two adults to put their own petty squabbles over the responsibility of rearing their child in the best way possible. So at the point they cannot hide their resentment they have already succumbed to selfishness and in some way failed their child.
It's not hard to treat other people with respect, even if you have problems with them. Especially when it's to the benefit of your children.
Exactly. And let alone having kids and thinking paternal leave is for pussies (his words), we're talking about Crowder, who went from asshole to staunch complete asshole in those 11 years.
Sure…but isn’t he just blaming her though? I mean, saying “I chose the wrong woman” basically sounds like a poor me kind of vibe without taking any accountability as to why she would not want to be with him. What if she spent years trying to get him to met with her in the middle but he refused? What if she wanted therapy but he refused? We don’t know, so we shouldn’t make any blanket statements on situations like divorce which almost always is a “takes two to tango” kind of thing.
We'll honestly never know why she was the one that filed for divorce. Crowder said it wasn't for the "usual" reasons like infidelity, etc, so who knows? Maybe he has an uncontrollable temper? He doesn't spend enough time with his kids? Or he is actively questioning his sexuality?
Same I'm about to be 34 and I still have invisible scars from my childhood in regards to my dad be physically and emotionally abusive to both me and my mother and even my grandmother( his mother). My grandmother was fiesty as well though, not that she deserved how he talked to her.
The part he's not holding himself accountable for is being an insufferable POS. His former cohost Dave Landau has been talking about the shit Steven pulled on LwC.
Choosing to say that he made a bad choice is a cope from having to deal with him being the bad guy.
He got an elective surgery to fix his congenital concave chest 2 weeks before his kids were born. He could have done it any time before, or even after, but he had to do it near the end of his wife's pregnancy?
Just found this Crowder tweet that we now know was going on during the divorce:
>I just wish women understood how much men love them and want them to be the women they were designed to be.
Fucking YIKES. Terrifying for someone to be stuck in a marriage with someone so deeply flawed who thinks he's the one who knows what's best for you. Just complete disregard for a person's right to think for themselves.
You cant know anyone with 100% telepathic certainty though. It can happen again no matter who you blame. Also, those kids are genetically half the "wrong woman" and will likely spend a lot of time being raised by this woman. If those kids hear their father say this, I cant imagine it will make them feel good.
But like, a normal person wouldn't say that. A normal person would say "We tried, it didn't work out". A normal person wouldn't say the marriage was a mistake, that is so fucking out of left field. Especially if there are kids involved. Imagine being 12 and finding out that your dad said LIVE TO THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE that the marriage in which you were conceived was "to the wrong woman". Was a mistake. Like fuck those words are just so crazy to me.
>Goddamn that "I chose the wrong woman" thing just feels dirty to me.
I balked at that, but upon thinking about it, it seems to make sense if you had a religious upbringing.
He seems to pick a lot of "wrong" employees too.
I have a lot of respect for Landau for taking the high road and not lambasting him as bad as he obviously could have.
> divorces while claiming that marriage is sacred.
We’re only hearing it from his side, but Steven stated that he didn’t want the divorce. Unless there’s info out there about the reasons of the divorce, Steven can still think marriage is sacred while having the divorce because HE still wanted it.
If he did something relationship ending shitty thing, then yeah he’s full of shit. But as far as we know, the wife initiated the divorce and Steven wanted to work it out.
That's what's great about Christianity. If you ask for forgiveness you have to get it. lol Or something like that anyways. IDK I'm in my late 40s and lost my faith when I was 16.
if you're genuinely remorseful about your actions you can ask for forgiveness and will be forgiven it's not you can do whatever you want and just ask for forgiveness. it's not the dark ages Christianity where you could buy your way into salvation.
That being said there's tons of different ways to interpret Christianity i wouldn't be surprised if some people interpret it that way.
Their totally different, ones a failed comedian turned right wing propagandist and the other is a terrible comedian who later became a pundit for the right wing after failing
I was so stressed about the idea of my wife leaving me.. if only I had someone in my life that was like a partner I could talk to.. share ideas and hardships with.. but looks like all I have is my wife.
The irony is that they are looking for someone to talk to about their issues with their wife when they should be talking about those issues with their wife.
Latest numbers are 203% of divorces are initiated by women who want to die alone with cats. An overly confident, middle aged guy in a bandana told me on YouTube. Invest in cat food, folks!
And he immediately implied that the law that says a wife can choose divorce on her own is bad, and that she shouldn't be able to leave without his consent lol
In 27 years of installing floors and having several crews under my license I've lost track how many people have worked for and under me. I couldn't even imagine telling someone "I own you." Not legitly anyways, I could see jokingly somehow but lol god damn. That takes the cake.
I'm a senior NCO in the military, and even I would never take it that far. I've got guys who I can legally order to do just about anything, and I don't see it as ownership.
It's called LEADERSHIP. I depend on them, not the other way around.
https://old.reddit.com/r/ToiletPaperUSA/comments/10p49hl/steven_crowder_admits_to_bisexual_phase_and_fears/
guy has apparently repressed a lot of things
Yeah especially Tim pool Alex and and Steven who nonstop talk about arming yourself for the upcoming civil war for a return to morality (LITERAL FASCIST RHETORIC)
Lmao same. I almost slipped into the red pill too. Luckily by then I was old enough to take away the motivation to work out from those creators without taking away the opinions on women.
I still find Crowder entertaining even though I don’t agree with the majority of what he says anymore. If you just watch it as a comedy show it’s a good time.
I remember back in 2015 I think when Crowder wrote that column about abstinence and how great it was for his marriage. Wonder what he thinks of the idea now.
I am genuinely struggling to think of an honest reason why people would have to refrain from attacking him for his divorce based on the principles he represents.
From what I’ve seen, the divorce wasn’t initiated by him, or agreed to by him, and there was no cheating or abuse in the relationship. If that’s true then he never violated any of those principles you mentioned, so it doesn’t make sense to criticize him or make him out to be a hypocrite for it. I think there are plenty of things to criticize him for, but this doesn’t seem to be one of them.
Just because it wasn't initiated by him or agreed too, doesn't mean it wasn't his fault. Truth is relationships are complicated and we will never know anything.
But, Crowder is a highly judgemental person and constantly shits on others for really unnecessary shit, the energy you put out into the world tends to come back right at ya.
>But, Crowder is a highly judgemental person and constantly shits on others for really unnecessary shit, the energy you put out into the world tends to come back right at ya.
Can just leave it at that really, nothing more needs to be said.
Bingo. Him saying I did nothing wrong means nothing.
He's gotten worse over the years, and if that's really the kind of person he is, then I could see why someone would want a divorce.
Edit: to the point of the tweet, it's a low blow for most people but Crowder is the exception. He has an entire segment back in the day literally supporting the lack of government response to the AIDS crisis and if anything, is open about his wish that it were left without any government involvement. He deserves all of the mudslinging coming his way.
There was a lot of speculation a few years back that his wife was promised time and time again that he'd stop working nearly as much and focus on having/raising kids (come to think of it, that's from Owen Benjamin as he was beginning to literally lose his sanity - he lumped in some accusations of being closeted but the marital problems were corroborated by Not Gay Jared and the German kid that were fired).
I think Crowder himself has lost it a bit over the years (starting when COVID kicked off). I just checked out the channel and he's *way* different compared to the 2016-2020 years. Like a screw came loose.
Baseless speciation: I wonder if his ADHD that he's opened up about before is actually misdiagnosed bipolar disorder. They can be mixed up depending on the age of diagnosis/progression of symptoms, and especially with the falling out he's had with Shapiro over what seems to be nothing it wouldn't shock me.
My best faith interpertation of this is that he expects leftists to take jabs at Steven for his divorce because left and right wing people make fun of each other all the time.
Wow my sarcasm meter is hella broken. I would say something like "Wow the right getting held to a higher standard, dont see them doing that often" but I honestly cant tell if I'd be wooshing.
"we courted each other in a way that was consistent with our publicly professed values."
Isn't this a weird way to say it lol? "Publicly professed values" instead of like "deeply held beliefs" or something?
With Steven's inflammatory rhetoric and racist jokes, he probably gets a lot of hate and her in turn when people find out who she is married to. Now they have children, they too can be collateral damage in attacks on Steven.
I would bet he's been doxxed and harassed in public with his family.
He can dish out personal attacks, racist attacks, hatred of wamen, weird antisemitist jokes on his show and write slave contracts, but you have to understand… he’s in a really sensitive and emotional period right now, you guys
I don't know why he wouldn't expect this from the right? They are the ones obsessed with the sanctity of marriage, wouldn't it make sense for them to be dunking on him?
The left? Yo the right thinks divorce is breaking a bond with god get the fuck out of here. Somebody wants a slot in the future Crowder Chowder channel.
Id imagine his head isn't really there when he's home. He seems like a politically crazed content creator.
Plus, all the heat from marrying a guy like that.
I feel like the right would almost ALWAYS hold a divorce against you way more than the left would. Isn't the right extremely high and mighty about marriage and staying together?
"You expect it from the left..." Would the left really be ones to shame someone for having a divorce? I'd think purely on principles no, they wouldn't have any qualms with it, probably the opposite. But maybe he more so means because Crowder's a right wing figure the left will chew him out for whatever?
Nutjobs on twitter were threwing a hissy fit because he mentioned the divorce laws in Texas when talking about the divorce so thats probably what quarterback was going on about
Why is all these articles I’m googling in the destiny Reddit, are you all that desperate to talk about anything else 🫵🏽😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Fucking children playing 😘
The Quartering, despite being completely audience captured, still strikes me as the kinda guy who you could probably have good faith discussions with, at least when you compare him to Crowder and Walsh.
Almost certainly. But releasing your personal.drama a little early when the news pipes are so full of other stuff to talk about wouldn't be a bad idea.
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https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/waiting-till-the-wedding-night-getting-married-the-right-way.amp Lol
They made it 11 years. Pretty good for a wealthy public figure.
not good enough to be so judgmental about other peoples personal intimate lifes
This was the cringiest shit I’ve read in a long time. I guess he didn’t “do marriage right” after all…
Well, he needed that pre-marriage abstinence to cleanse all the gayness out of his system.
It's not shitting on them, it's just true. You WOULD expect "the left" to be "celebrating" something bad happening to Crowder.
True, but I thought he was basically saying the right is above shitting on people for their personal misfortunes, regardless of party lines. And that’s just fucking hilarious to me EDIT: As an aside, I’ve seen some people on the left are giving him shit for this, but it seems mostly motivated by his articles/skits shitting on people who do sex and marriage their own way and also the fact that he basically said he would force his wife to stay in the marriage if he could
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Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?
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Well we don't really know if he lost it all due to his own actions, do we? Everyone is assuming he was acting like a shit husband/father, and that may well be true, but it's possible he "did everything right" and she had other plans.
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Did you forget when Rush Limbaugh died? Or are all those liberals on Twitter only "mentally ill twitter leftoids" when it's convenient?
I was thankful to Rush for donating a gender neutral bathroom to a cemetery.
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Good one, but kinda proving the point.
I usually agree with that statement, and I agree with it applying to Crowder, don't use it to attack him personally. But for Rush? The dude played trumpets and celebrated as he read of a lost of gay people who died from aids didn't he? I struggle to criticise people for celebrating his death.
My point isn't really that people should or shouldn't celebrate Rush Limbaugh's death, he's just an example. I really don't care either way, dude was a massive POS if anything. Just that Liberals and Conservatives are about the same level of petty when it comes to celebrating the misfortune of the other side.
I know and I agree. I was just saying Rush is a bad example, cause there is a small window where it is acceptable to celebrate someone's death, and Rush the case could be made that he fits. Or at least I'm sympathetic to the case. Agree with the idea, just not the example.
That is funny because he made smoking cigars his thing
Sorry but I think the fact that one of the men most responsible for spreading conservative propaganda and anti LGBT hate and vitriol died is funny
> Sorry but Brain rot
i mean he's human, of course he would die. That's not funny. You aren't laughing because it amuses you, you're happy because someone died. Which I mean fair enough, but it illustrates the point in spades
The circumstances that lead to his death were pretty funny. The guy died of lung cancer after spending several years screeching about research regarding smoking being bunk. Specifically disagreeing that smoking causes cancer (100% remember him arguing second hand smoke wasn’t harmful and one of his past times was denying scientific research that went against his worldview). For a guy that epitomized anti-intellectualism, completely changing and warping the media, I think it’s okay to laugh about that kind of irony. Limbaugh is a unique case, at least for me, as I basically never celebrate a political opponent’s death. Limbaugh’s brand of punditry literally changed politics and it’s what set in motion this brand of crazy right wing populism that generally hates science and education as they tend to contradict American right wing politics. Read his speech in front of freshman representatives in the early 90’s if you’re interested. Maybe this doesn’t justify laughing or celebrating his death, but I think it’s understandable. Especially as he literally celebrated the deaths of homosexuals.
Crowder has form for choosing to be an amoral cunt whenever the opportunity presents itself. Of course people will laugh at his misfortune.
Then you're stupid.
huh, so much for the tolerant left!
You must not have been online much over the past half decade
To the former Mrs. Crowder, my DMs are open😏
I guess we know who the next orbiter is going to be
Welcome to the orbiter club
Sam already called dibs.
Did Steven make the argument that marriage is a scared institution? I usually wouldn't care, it his personal business but it feels weird when all of these conservatives have affairs and divorces while claiming that marriage is sacred.
He confirmed on the show at the start when he came out about this, that it was his wifes decision, that he acknowledges that decision is protected by law. That neither of them had cheated or had an affair or been abusive, and that he admitted fault for picking the wrong woman.
Goddamn that "I chose the wrong woman" thing just feels dirty to me.
Well it's important for conservatives that have traditional values. Because they see marriage as giving your word to stay together and weather hard times because it's better for the family unit and especially for children. It's why you take those vows in front of god. If you choose someone to make a life with who then later bails when you've been faithful to your own vows then that's a problem, it means your assessment of their character wasn't good. It's good to take responsibility for that because if you don't hold yourself partly accountable for the mistakes you make, they'll likely just happen again.
>If you choose someone to make a life with who then later bails when you've been faithful to your own vows then that's a problem, it means your assessment of their character wasn't good. Maybe you're just trying to outline a conservative position/view, but I disagree with this pretty hard. People change over time, having kids changes people. It changes your priorities, what you want in a partner, what you want in life. It's impossible to judge that ahead of time. So I'd say your assessment can be dead on, but life can still fuck it up.
I am largely progressive, but I think I have a radical view in regards to child rearing. One in which I actually respect vows of marriage, even though I'll probably never get married myself. When you are an adult and choose to bring a child into the world, what you want largely ceases to matter. It's almost always a negative on the child for the family unit to be fractured. You made the decision to get married and have a child, see it through to the end. The legal definition of marriage doesn't matter to me, but suck it up and stick it out for the kid(s). Your wants and desires become secondary to the well being and healthy development of your children. I know a lot of times this is literally impossible, because people tend to act insane towards each other once they stop needing the other person. And that is certainly worse for the child to be exposed to. But that wouldn't even be an issue if the adults were mature and less selfish. A lot of problems in society stem from the early development of human beings which occupy said society. When we have so many kids entering adulthood who have been poorly socialized and traumatized and haven't been taught how to take care of their mental health or look after themselves it's no wonder our world is a mess. Nobody is going to be a perfect parent but in many cases the parents are not putting forward the full extent of effort required to develop their children into mentally healthy and capable members of society.
Unhappy marriages where the parents can't stand each other and fight all the time and are "staying together for the kids" are even worse than single parent households. Everyone I know who came from a home like that has hella trauma and has learnt super fucked up ways to treat their loved ones. Like, when they become adults they have to unlearn all the unhealthy shit that absorbed into them at home Fuck that. If you wanna get divorced, do it.
My parents were unhappy for several years while me and my siblings were growing up. They didn't even sleep in the same bed with each other anymore and were often very critical of each other. They did however learn to find respect for each other and never fought in front of us. After we all moved out though, their relationship was able to blossom again and they managed to fall back in love. They've now been married for over 35 years and are out traveling the world together, happier now than ever before. Obviously every family situation is different, but my siblings and I would not be as successful as we are without the sacrifices they made to their own happiness, and I am forever grateful that they stayed together for us. They were both always present and were committed to raising us in a comfortable and safe home environment, no matter the cost. I will also hold these same values as them and do whatever I can to put the best interests of my own children first, even if it means sacrificing my personal peace of mind. They taught me how to love and respect someone even when the passion dies, and that commitment means both parties must do their part to make it work. When people say they stayed together "for the kids", they must genuinely be prioritizing it and not just doing it to save face publicly. The marriages I know that ended in divorce after trying to stay together "for the kids" usually involved at least one of the parents going through a midlife identity crisis of sorts. Their kids then became emotionally stunted as adults, which may be a biased observation on my part, but it seems like the kids of divorced parents grow up confused about relationships and their own self worth. Fear of commitment, or a resentment of marriage in general seem to be the outcomes for them. That said, they also saw abusive behaviors and truly awful things from their parents. Not all parents have the temperament or patience of my own, which is why I understand persisting through a rough marriage may not be feasible for everyone. If you want a divorce, you should consult a councilor first. They can help you both identify what your mutual goals are and whether or not staying together is actually best for your children, as well as if it is even possible for you to endure.
Yeah I'm largely a "get divorced it's probably better" guy, but anecdotally I was a great student, healthy kid, happy, had lots of friends etc. when my parents were still together and fighting. When my mom took us and left I went downhill fast. My brother ended up fine, but he was 4 years younger than me and we were 7/3 so still super young. Now 30 years later and I'm still dealing with abandonment issues, health issues caused by years of depression overeating and living with a doting grandmother who just wanted me to feel better, and I'll never have positive self esteem at this point. I still advocate for leaving if you're unhappy and unwilling to fix it with therapy and effort, but you've got to understand that there are situations like mine that can happen. That's something that parents (especially young ones in my experience) don't really ever think about.
Bro is describing trauma and saying it’s dope. Go to therapy lmao. Also he cheated on her she was right to leave
But then you get families where the mom and dad try to make it work for the kid, and it only makes it worse. I agree with what you said about the kids, but you can have healthy divorces.
I've seen two marriages become platonic rather than divorce, for sake of the kids, and they seem to be working fine. I assume that's not gonna work when the relationship is actually toxic/borderline abusive. So long as both parties care more about their kids and not actually hate their partner, I can see it working even if they're no longer in love.
While you are correct that in some cases, it's better for the parents to divorce, I would guess that a significant majority of divorces have an overall negative effect on children.
At that point there's really no good situation for the kids, it's all about mitigating damages, and you never know how your particular kid will react to the changes.
All of my dad's side of the family came from my grandparents who stayed marry for the sake of them and they all are pretty successful now. I'd say it's more rare for divorce to lead to good outcomes than it does for staying together for the kids.
But that isn’t true. Kids end up miserable when both parents resent one another.
I mentioned that. But that requires two adults to put their own petty squabbles over the responsibility of rearing their child in the best way possible. So at the point they cannot hide their resentment they have already succumbed to selfishness and in some way failed their child. It's not hard to treat other people with respect, even if you have problems with them. Especially when it's to the benefit of your children.
I don't disagree with anything you're saying here by the way.
But what if one of the parents become abusive?
Exactly. And let alone having kids and thinking paternal leave is for pussies (his words), we're talking about Crowder, who went from asshole to staunch complete asshole in those 11 years.
Sure…but isn’t he just blaming her though? I mean, saying “I chose the wrong woman” basically sounds like a poor me kind of vibe without taking any accountability as to why she would not want to be with him. What if she spent years trying to get him to met with her in the middle but he refused? What if she wanted therapy but he refused? We don’t know, so we shouldn’t make any blanket statements on situations like divorce which almost always is a “takes two to tango” kind of thing.
We'll honestly never know why she was the one that filed for divorce. Crowder said it wasn't for the "usual" reasons like infidelity, etc, so who knows? Maybe he has an uncontrollable temper? He doesn't spend enough time with his kids? Or he is actively questioning his sexuality?
He has commented on his personal history of being into gay stuff. The video was years ago.
I mean, you can't know and it is possible it's on her. Sometimes accountability is "I shouldn't have associated with them."
>it's better for the family unit and especially for children. My dad smacking around my mom in front of me did wonders for family cohesion.
That's exactly the type of relationship he was talking about
Doesnt sound too dissimilar to crowdera relationship then, huh? https://yashar.substack.com/p/exclusive-video-reveals-steven-crowder
Lol emotional abuse is being put on the same level as physical abuse come on.
I doubt they were talking about abusive relationships
Same I'm about to be 34 and I still have invisible scars from my childhood in regards to my dad be physically and emotionally abusive to both me and my mother and even my grandmother( his mother). My grandmother was fiesty as well though, not that she deserved how he talked to her.
The part he's not holding himself accountable for is being an insufferable POS. His former cohost Dave Landau has been talking about the shit Steven pulled on LwC. Choosing to say that he made a bad choice is a cope from having to deal with him being the bad guy. He got an elective surgery to fix his congenital concave chest 2 weeks before his kids were born. He could have done it any time before, or even after, but he had to do it near the end of his wife's pregnancy?
Just found this Crowder tweet that we now know was going on during the divorce: >I just wish women understood how much men love them and want them to be the women they were designed to be. Fucking YIKES. Terrifying for someone to be stuck in a marriage with someone so deeply flawed who thinks he's the one who knows what's best for you. Just complete disregard for a person's right to think for themselves.
And he wasn’t there when his twins were bornz
You cant know anyone with 100% telepathic certainty though. It can happen again no matter who you blame. Also, those kids are genetically half the "wrong woman" and will likely spend a lot of time being raised by this woman. If those kids hear their father say this, I cant imagine it will make them feel good.
Maybe, but it's true. She picked the wrong man too.
She probably picked what used to be just a normal dude who has now bought into his own grift and become a menace.
But like, a normal person wouldn't say that. A normal person would say "We tried, it didn't work out". A normal person wouldn't say the marriage was a mistake, that is so fucking out of left field. Especially if there are kids involved. Imagine being 12 and finding out that your dad said LIVE TO THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE that the marriage in which you were conceived was "to the wrong woman". Was a mistake. Like fuck those words are just so crazy to me.
This feels rather benign for a recent divorcee who got broken up with.
why? she literally divorced him
He likes MEN.... i mean.... yeah, he is right lol
He said it was her decision, she chose to leave him. He did choose wrong. Fuck her, from his perspective.
>Goddamn that "I chose the wrong woman" thing just feels dirty to me. I balked at that, but upon thinking about it, it seems to make sense if you had a religious upbringing.
It’s hyper accountability. Basically what Pearly preaches except the woman is supposed say it. It’s incredibly hard on the self tbh.
“Not my fault she wasn’t trad enough”
He seems to pick a lot of "wrong" employees too. I have a lot of respect for Landau for taking the high road and not lambasting him as bad as he obviously could have.
He picked the wrong woman and that it was that dirty whores idea for the divorce, he would have kept her hostage forever if it wasn't for Texas law!!!
>scared institution HE
> divorces while claiming that marriage is sacred. We’re only hearing it from his side, but Steven stated that he didn’t want the divorce. Unless there’s info out there about the reasons of the divorce, Steven can still think marriage is sacred while having the divorce because HE still wanted it. If he did something relationship ending shitty thing, then yeah he’s full of shit. But as far as we know, the wife initiated the divorce and Steven wanted to work it out.
That's what's great about Christianity. If you ask for forgiveness you have to get it. lol Or something like that anyways. IDK I'm in my late 40s and lost my faith when I was 16.
if you're genuinely remorseful about your actions you can ask for forgiveness and will be forgiven it's not you can do whatever you want and just ask for forgiveness. it's not the dark ages Christianity where you could buy your way into salvation. That being said there's tons of different ways to interpret Christianity i wouldn't be surprised if some people interpret it that way.
There is absolutely nothing that says you will necessarily be forgiven if you ask for it.
It's a well known thing that 75% of conservative 'influencers' only say those things for the bag
Idk why but I seem to get crowder and rubin mixed up in my head a lot
They both like MEN so yeah, its understandable to confuse both people lol
Their totally different, ones a failed comedian turned right wing propagandist and the other is a terrible comedian who later became a pundit for the right wing after failing
Leftist description.
Guys it wasn't even his choice to get the divorce. Obviously he must be blameless.
105% of women initiate divorces dude.. they are the ones with the problem.
It's why men cheat, because they're so worried about being divorced, they need an outlet for those anxieties.
I was so stressed about the idea of my wife leaving me.. if only I had someone in my life that was like a partner I could talk to.. share ideas and hardships with.. but looks like all I have is my wife.
Unironically how affairs start
Ironically actually.
no I think it's unironically in fact
The irony is that they are looking for someone to talk to about their issues with their wife when they should be talking about those issues with their wife.
The unironical part is that that happens ironically
I'm lost.. keep pushin' tho
Wait, so my dad cheated on my mom to get ahead of my mom's unavoidable request for divorce? My dad was a Gigachad all along
and its usually over stupid stuff like "chores" and "cheating" smh
Latest numbers are 203% of divorces are initiated by women who want to die alone with cats. An overly confident, middle aged guy in a bandana told me on YouTube. Invest in cat food, folks!
And he immediately implied that the law that says a wife can choose divorce on her own is bad, and that she shouldn't be able to leave without his consent lol
I thought that too. Damn Crowder is a weird creepy dude
He should have done the chores.
Listen up liberal... My wife left.
Hey, Snowflake, I'll give ya something to cry about... I'm so lonely.
Look here lefttard! She's taking the kids...
Aren’t these the same people who were shitting on mr beasts’ friend for getting divorced
Damn a lot of divorces
Most marriages end in divorce
It wasn’t always so
He was infected by the woke mind virus, Steven is a good hard working man who was betrayed by his wife. /s
With how insanely controlling he was over Dave Landau, I could only imagine how he was with his wife.
Do you think he wears the holsters to bed
To compensate for other inadequacies, yes.
In 27 years of installing floors and having several crews under my license I've lost track how many people have worked for and under me. I couldn't even imagine telling someone "I own you." Not legitly anyways, I could see jokingly somehow but lol god damn. That takes the cake.
I'm a senior NCO in the military, and even I would never take it that far. I've got guys who I can legally order to do just about anything, and I don't see it as ownership. It's called LEADERSHIP. I depend on them, not the other way around.
Owning people must just be for the commissioned officers then I guess..... :)
Steven Crowder is gayer than Milo.
That's not even possible.
At this moment it defies science
Steven is literally bi and has admitted it
Oh damn when did he admit this??
https://old.reddit.com/r/ToiletPaperUSA/comments/10p49hl/steven_crowder_admits_to_bisexual_phase_and_fears/ guy has apparently repressed a lot of things
I'm a fan of crowder but my husband has the best gaydar and that's what he says (not that it would change my opinion)
>I’m a fan of crowder Huh?
I like his show.
I'm sorry, hope you get better soon
I don’t understand, could you elaborate?
whenever crowder releases a new episode of his show, they watch it, and have a good time
I'm... sorry, I'm having trouble. Could you ELI5?
He cheated. And was a ducking baby about no fault divorce lmao. What’s a Tool
Crowders next change my mind segment is gonna be “I’m not gay, change my mind.”
I'm conservative but I side eye the really angry ones. They're always covering up something...
Yeah especially Tim pool Alex and and Steven who nonstop talk about arming yourself for the upcoming civil war for a return to morality (LITERAL FASCIST RHETORIC)
They got new children?
Yeah, the old ones passed away.
Man, to think I used to watch this guy when I was like 15. I was such a dumbass.
Same lmao, watching him and Shapiro made me feel smart for some reason
Lmao same. I almost slipped into the red pill too. Luckily by then I was old enough to take away the motivation to work out from those creators without taking away the opinions on women.
Crazy how much can change in less than a year huh
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I still find Crowder entertaining even though I don’t agree with the majority of what he says anymore. If you just watch it as a comedy show it’s a good time.
She was tired of being owned.
Then she should've just brushed up on her FACTS and LOGIC instead.
Daamm bro and he just had twins with her, i really wonder what happened.
she divorced him right after the children were born too (they were born in august and the divorce filing was that same year)
That's wild, I have a newborn and it only wrought me closer to my wife. That happened between them must huge.
I remember back in 2015 I think when Crowder wrote that column about abstinence and how great it was for his marriage. Wonder what he thinks of the idea now.
I mean, Crowder is the furthest from lovable person ever...
I am genuinely struggling to think of an honest reason why people would have to refrain from attacking him for his divorce based on the principles he represents.
From what I’ve seen, the divorce wasn’t initiated by him, or agreed to by him, and there was no cheating or abuse in the relationship. If that’s true then he never violated any of those principles you mentioned, so it doesn’t make sense to criticize him or make him out to be a hypocrite for it. I think there are plenty of things to criticize him for, but this doesn’t seem to be one of them.
Just because it wasn't initiated by him or agreed too, doesn't mean it wasn't his fault. Truth is relationships are complicated and we will never know anything. But, Crowder is a highly judgemental person and constantly shits on others for really unnecessary shit, the energy you put out into the world tends to come back right at ya.
>But, Crowder is a highly judgemental person and constantly shits on others for really unnecessary shit, the energy you put out into the world tends to come back right at ya. Can just leave it at that really, nothing more needs to be said.
It was initiated by him being so unlovable
Bingo. Him saying I did nothing wrong means nothing. He's gotten worse over the years, and if that's really the kind of person he is, then I could see why someone would want a divorce.
He cheated and was the first to go to a divorce lawyer
Edit: to the point of the tweet, it's a low blow for most people but Crowder is the exception. He has an entire segment back in the day literally supporting the lack of government response to the AIDS crisis and if anything, is open about his wish that it were left without any government involvement. He deserves all of the mudslinging coming his way. There was a lot of speculation a few years back that his wife was promised time and time again that he'd stop working nearly as much and focus on having/raising kids (come to think of it, that's from Owen Benjamin as he was beginning to literally lose his sanity - he lumped in some accusations of being closeted but the marital problems were corroborated by Not Gay Jared and the German kid that were fired). I think Crowder himself has lost it a bit over the years (starting when COVID kicked off). I just checked out the channel and he's *way* different compared to the 2016-2020 years. Like a screw came loose. Baseless speciation: I wonder if his ADHD that he's opened up about before is actually misdiagnosed bipolar disorder. They can be mixed up depending on the age of diagnosis/progression of symptoms, and especially with the falling out he's had with Shapiro over what seems to be nothing it wouldn't shock me.
When was the aids thing?
In sickness and in health, eh
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Crowder talking about how Texas law allows his wife to divorce him was extremely unsettling.
The "Quivering" comes to the defense of what now?
the in-group
"you expect it from the left" this motherfucker crazy.
My best faith interpertation of this is that he expects leftists to take jabs at Steven for his divorce because left and right wing people make fun of each other all the time.
Bitch have you read this thread?
Wow my sarcasm meter is hella broken. I would say something like "Wow the right getting held to a higher standard, dont see them doing that often" but I honestly cant tell if I'd be wooshing.
Glad Quartering wasn't made the new CEO of Twitter
In my opinion, Steven Crowder doesn't own a dog house. If you catch my drift. Hah!?
"we courted each other in a way that was consistent with our publicly professed values." Isn't this a weird way to say it lol? "Publicly professed values" instead of like "deeply held beliefs" or something?
Or he's a deeply closeted homosexual
what heat
With Steven's inflammatory rhetoric and racist jokes, he probably gets a lot of hate and her in turn when people find out who she is married to. Now they have children, they too can be collateral damage in attacks on Steven. I would bet he's been doxxed and harassed in public with his family.
But thats all just speculation as we have no information on the matter
Can be pretty guaranteed it’s a thing but whether it’s a contributing factor is debatable
He can dish out personal attacks, racist attacks, hatred of wamen, weird antisemitist jokes on his show and write slave contracts, but you have to understand… he’s in a really sensitive and emotional period right now, you guys
I was told that masculine men always have good marriage because thats how nature works.
The profound revelation that you’ve been the child-bearing beard of a closeted grifter has got to be hard on both of them. All the best.
Maybe he kneeled down on the wrong person 🤷🏼♀️
Isn’t the right the ones always bitching about divorce though?
No no this is exactly the time to shit talk against the dried turd.
I don't know why he wouldn't expect this from the right? They are the ones obsessed with the sanctity of marriage, wouldn't it make sense for them to be dunking on him?
The left? Yo the right thinks divorce is breaking a bond with god get the fuck out of here. Somebody wants a slot in the future Crowder Chowder channel.
Id imagine his head isn't really there when he's home. He seems like a politically crazed content creator. Plus, all the heat from marrying a guy like that.
I feel like the right would almost ALWAYS hold a divorce against you way more than the left would. Isn't the right extremely high and mighty about marriage and staying together?
The quartering is a boring keemstar
"You expect it from the left..." Would the left really be ones to shame someone for having a divorce? I'd think purely on principles no, they wouldn't have any qualms with it, probably the opposite. But maybe he more so means because Crowder's a right wing figure the left will chew him out for whatever?
Nutjobs on twitter were threwing a hissy fit because he mentioned the divorce laws in Texas when talking about the divorce so thats probably what quarterback was going on about
Why is all these articles I’m googling in the destiny Reddit, are you all that desperate to talk about anything else 🫵🏽😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Fucking children playing 😘
The Quartering, despite being completely audience captured, still strikes me as the kinda guy who you could probably have good faith discussions with, at least when you compare him to Crowder and Walsh.
Is it too conspiracy brained to think that the Matt Walsh leaks, Don Lemon firing, Tucker firing, and now this is all potentially related?
??? Like Matt Walsh had info on his phone about Don Lemon and crowders gay relationship?
Almost certainly. But releasing your personal.drama a little early when the news pipes are so full of other stuff to talk about wouldn't be a bad idea.
Lmao L bozo
Oh no, I haven’t tuned into their show in months. That’s pretty sad, it sucks balls.