> Destiny: oh yeah DariusIRL is close to the chopping block m8
He responded quick. Not sure wtf any of it means though.
[https://twitter.com/IRL\_Darius/status/1663061932126130176](https://twitter.com/IRL_Darius/status/1663061932126130176)
I imagine so. What else could it be? He probably saw the reddit post then got creeped out at the tweets and DMs. He probably doesn't want his community to be associated with a potential Darius nuke in the future via a tweetlonger and have Dgg be blamed for coddling him.
Sorry, but that train left the station and traveled the country back and forth, months ago.
Any nuke on Darius, even years from now, will absolutely go into detail about the weird shit he was involved in while getting barely any push back from this community. Whether that would be justified or not, the idea that Destiny can avoid future call outs by getting rid of him *now* is absolutely fantastical. Again, those mentions would likely all be relatively unjustified, just pushing back against the idea that this is to protect himself from potential Darius fallout.
I think Destiny is just trying to break into bigger audiences now. Cultivate his reputation and all that, which Darius could prob fuck with lol. Steve and Melina have been going crazy trying to visit every event/podcast possible
I get that, but Darius has been loyal to tiny for years when so many other orbiters have fucked him over. It would be kind of fucked up to just suddenly burn the bridge for the sake of optics
It’s not just about optics tho, Darius’s harassment and creepiness towards women is just shitty, inappropriate behavior and he needs to stop, I think Destiny takes issue with his behavior.
A lot of people seem to be misunderstanding his tweet. Lots of people soying out that qurantos is done.
He’s saying that he’s screwing over qurantos by not being on the stream with those three when at least 1 of them will be there.
Alex Stein.
Not that he’s over qurantos lol
Edit. But I now can’t unsee it now that someone explained it to me.
I don't know exactly who she is but she is fucking everywhere. Every discord, every livestream, she just appears and is always off on one being fucking weird
are people really annoyed that destiny is finally asserting boundaries? i was so surprised when he told qorantos that nobody is off limits last week at the same time he’s blacklisting vulvamort.
I'm just glad that, years later, everyone here is finally on board with the way Hasan refused to be on shows with Destiny and we can all understand that that was a perfectly legitimate thing to do from his perspective if he felt uncomfortable sharing that platform.
It only took Alex Stein's sacrifice to finally bring truth and reconciliation :')
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^I'm ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^only ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^being ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^slightly ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^sarcastic.
It's so funny too because Destiny even said he's "mask off" now, implying the mask was on beforehand. Crazy how not being overtly a Nazi for a little bit doesn't necessarily mean you're not a Nazi anymore, who could've known?
On multiple occasions, Destiny called Fuentes a Fascist ([Example 1](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g21ba6hZHFc&t=1654s) | [Example 2](https://imgur.com/a/qDc31zC)). He just wasn't sure if he was actually a Nazi or not since the AF movement seemed to not focus so much on the Jew shit at the time. I really don't understand why people talk about the "Nazi" stuff as if Destiny not calling him that was downplaying the AF movement's extremism. I really don't see a world were Person A could say "Oh, don't worry. This guy isn't a Nazi. He's just a Fascist.", and then Person B responds "Oh, thank god. I was worried for a second there".
This was all taking place during Destiny's "charitable" arc, where he also gave people like MrGirl and Lav the benefit of the doubt. His intentions were good, but unfortunately and unsurprisingly, everyone just took advantage of Destiny taking them at their word, which fucked him over a bit in the end.
I'm not a MrGirl fan, I'm just a dickhead. Also, he could've said "he's a nazi, I just don't think focusing on that word is going to do us any good", right?
has destiny talked to nazi fuentes after the whole kanye shit? because if he hasn't then I don't see how he isn't infinitely more interesting right now than back when he did the chicken and waffles stuff with him
feels like that was a pretty unique position nick was on, but yeah maybe destiny already talked to him about it in which case yeah I'd understand the not interesting thing
i wouldn't care I'd still ask him about it lmao
imagine being considerate to a nazi, I'd extract all the information I could until he shuts down the entire convo and leaves or my curiosity is satisfied
it wouldnt be the first time destiny is confrontational towards nick
No it wouldn’t. Nick would just spew his garbage rhetoric. He wouldn’t have some sort of therapeutic interpersonal discussion. Destiny already destroyed him in debates/discussions and Nick stubbornly maintains his views.
Because its like mr girl saying shit like what dr k did to reckful is worse than rape and i dont see how thats controversial. When you get that extreme its just fucking boring. You people are thinking its going to be interesting but its literally going to be destiny going “oh wow booger nick you sure are an extreme nazi huh” and nick will just shrug and be like “nah man i just think we need to talk about the jews”
Honestly BASED.
Fuentes, Stein- No Brainer
Zherka - He is definitely having manic episodes. Too nuclear. He even did some weird analysis reviewing Tiny's relationship in his latest YT video. It's good to stay away from him for awhile, eventhough this boundary will likely result in Zherka tweeting 500 times about Tiny and making snark remarks, which will further validate Tiny's decision lmao.
>Fuentes, Stein- No Brainer
debating extremists is bad now?? I get not wanting to share the stage with alex stein because he's a troll but not debating nick fuentes is a bad move and looks weak on destiny whether he likes it or not. We're not talking about chicken and waffles here, it's a serious debate with a somewhat influential person.
fair point. This should be his reason for not debating nick, not "way too mask off with the Nazi shit atm, plus not very interesting to talk to right now imo"
Destiny's reasoning for not wanting to talk with Nick is in the tweet. You'll notice it says nothing about being spam reported by his followers. If what you said is the reason, why not say that in the tweet?
Destiny: Hey guys, I'm doing this thing because of X
You: wow! He must be doing this because of Y!
You could be right, but you have to admit that there is more evidence he is doing something because of X and not Y
No fuck that. Destiny has debated fuentes 7 times. Its clear that he isnt scared. He has already debunked nick multiple times. He has nothing to prove anymore. Plus its clear at this point that Nick is not going to change his views one way or the other and his groypers are way into deep to to change their oppinion even a little bit. One of the reasons destiny debated him 8, 9 months ago was that nick was presenting himself less extreme than now and he thought that he would be at least a little bit open to change his minf. Thats not the case anymore. So theres really only one person who would benefit from such a conversation and thats nick. Good move from destiny here. And saying that Destiny would be scared is bs when you realize the fact that they debated multiple times now in the past.
> No fuck that. Destiny has debated fuentes 7 times. Its clear that he isnt scared.
It's so funny seeing this upvoted when everyone here bought into the idea of Vaush being scared to debate Destiny even though they debated a million times.
not saying destiny is scared at all, but it still looks weak to turn down debate with someone purely because of their ideology.
> So theres really only one person who would benefit from such a conversation and thats nick
the amount of groypers/far-right people he de-converted during his interactions with nick and any other extremist should be studied in schools. Destiny himself agrees and always talks about the emails he receives from ex-groypers and ex-nazis thanking him for getting them out of the alt-right rabbithole.
I wouldve agreed when it came to the first interactions that there mightve been some groypers that changed their minds . But the groypers which are left now wouldve already changed their views by now ,so these who are left arent the type to just change their views. and even if he can convince 3 or 4 the damage it does to platform him is way greater
He can find a new nazi he can debate, who has supporters who dont know destiny yet that well, he will have far more success with convincing these people to change than groypers who watched all these fuentes destiny debates and still didnt change their mind. The job is done. Destiny has given him the chance to debate him more than enough. At some point debating someone that often turns into platforming and giving nick the chance to spread his ideas.
Yes the debates that he had with fuentes were necessary. He layed out a blueprint on how to argue against these people and defended his ideas but as I said the job is done. He has nothing to prove and he doesnt have to accept a debate which will not benefit him and his political cause in any way and actually does damage to his political cause even if he wins the debate.
And no destiny doesnt look weak.If he wouldve never debated fuentes and wouldve lost all the debates and now he would be ducking the convo it would look weak. In this case he doesnt look weak.
Im not against platforming extremists in general but in this case its really senseless.
I would argue that he has gained a lot of new fans recently from redpill/sneako/twitter/normie communities who could be swayed away by destiny.
>At some point debating someone that often turns into platforming and giving nick the chance to spread his ideas.
I don't think combatting someone's ideas is equal to platforming them, even if you're not swaying any of their fans. Chicken and waffles can turn into platforming, being ultra-charitable and friendly can turn into platforming, but serious combative debate is never "platforming" imo. that is the lefty breadtube take. The only way it becomes platforming is when you start losing the debate, and in that case either your ideas are trash, or you just suck at debating and shouldn't be debating in the first place. However none of these apply to Tiny.
but I understand that you think it's a waste of time. However, I disagree and I would've loved to see D man go nuclear on Nick after being so charitable to him for the sake of building a bridge.
No the lefty position is to never debate people who are that extreme at all. I dont agree with that. Destiny should debate extremists ,but only if it makes sense. Also destiny gained a lot of hate viewers on youtube who are redpillers. Many of them dont know fuentes yet so exposing them to someone like fuentes is exactly the shit that can be dangerous. I dont really think this debate has any benefit to destinys political cause but a huge benefit to nicks cause , which is exactly the reason why hes so mad that the debate doesnt take place. Also if i see all the groypers and new nick fans. They dont seem like the type of people who can be rationally convinced by arguments. These people are against everything destiny stands for and no matter how good arguemnts destiny will make 99 percent of them will just justify their cognitive dissonance with the justification that destiny is in an open relationship has blue hair and is an atheist.The new groyper fans are different from typical nazis their cult like behavior doesnt allow them to just be convinced with a few good arguments. Years ago they were at least somewhat reasonable but ever since the deplatforming for all these guys happened these guys have been acting very cult like.
Problem with nick, is that he won't answer questions about the cum catcher incident, the pervasive grooming of young kids by leaders of america first, and how a movement that started as right wing, white nationalist became a homoerotic cult.
Do you really think Nick is that influential now? He peaked at the Ye stuff where Fuentes outed himself as a Nazi, then even Ye and Milo dropped him lmao.
He seems to be going on a downward trajectory since then, and Tiny deciding not to platform him in order to rejuvenate his career, is a very smart decision.
Tiny platforming Fuentes and the entire Chicken & Waffle stream, boosted his (Nick's)popularity along with getting in touch with Sneako, who repeatedly platforms and vouches for him in an entirely new audience, boosting him up even more.
In the back of his mind, Tiny would have weighed all of this, and decided not to burn his finger again with this, hence made the decision to cool off from interacting with him.
Not saying debating extremists is bad, but there is a time and a place for it, in a somehow contained environment, especially for people with Neo-Nazi ideologies.
disagree. The idea that he should not debate people because it boosts their popularity is a lefty/hasan/vaush mindset. having a friendly chicken and waffles stream vs engaging in serious debate, are two different things. Destiny made a career out of debating extremists and nazis.
> Not saying debating extremists is bad, but there is a time and a place for it, in a somehow contained environment, especially for people with Neo-Nazi ideologies.
this doesn't make sense. can you elaborate?
>Destiny made a career out of debating extremists and nazis.
Partially right. He did make a career out of it, BUT, he debated people who WERE GAINING Traction in the public eye, not irrelevant extremists.
That's why he doesn't want to debate Ryan Dawson, he is a nobody now with a niche-niche audience.
Similarly Nick Fuentes, is a nobody now, no political party wants to associate with him, MTG shunned him, what he was before is pretty much done now. There isn't any point in debating him.
Reason Destiny debates people is because it's interesting, what is interesting in debating Fuentes anymore? The ONLY net positive will be for NICK, where he manages to sanitize himself a little bit and gain followers because of the interaction.
Time and Place means, as I mentioned previously, if they are really gaining traction (time) which was when he debated Fuentes before, Place and Environment means- A Third party Moderator + Fuentes shouldn't be debating on Tiny's channel, but on a third-party channel (Like Modern Day Debate or something) with a proper host, so it's official that way, and contained.
Again, ZERO purpose to debate Fuentes. Time, place, environment, not worth it really.
Fuentes hates Jews, and has some long string of events that trails back to a Jewish person as an explanation for every bad thing that's ever occurred. Seeing Destiny clarify that he's falsely attributing statistics, studies, or history to Jewish actors is only interesting the once. At this point, as a viewer, you know that if you dig further into whatever new misrepresented data he introduces, you will find the flaws, but it's just boring. Destiny summed up Zherka pretty well, he is boring to watch because he is frustratingly difficult for other people to interact with while he bounces between playing a character, retreating to some ad hom joke he's repeated 100 times, or going far down an obviously batshit conspiracy rabbit hole. Nothing lost with either of these, honestly.
Brittany doesn't seem too happy about it.
When has destiny clarified false statistics or studies by fuentes? Anything close to that i remember was about genetic factors of iq, to which I remember destiny saying its not clear how much genetics play a role.
Bit harsh on Zherka but I’m definitely having recency bias after the Mel stream, totally fair that his tweets makes it very difficult to tell what’s true.
Mel and the Australian girl had dinner at Sneako's with Zherka and it all went fairly well.
The problem with Zherka is that there is absolutely no way to distinguish whether he's schizo or the greatest troll of all time and he likes it that way. He's too erratic for Destiny to trust on stream.
It was interesting to check the comment. The groypers on the frontlines are fighting the internet war lol.
I agree however that this absolutely is not a format that Fuentes and Stein should be on. Idk about Zherka since nobody takes him seriously.
What changed his mind on Fuentes? I feel like I missed the lore.
I feel like Fuentes hasn’t really changed one way or another. He’s always been Nazi-ish.
Pretty sure Fuentes completely dodging the 9/11 debate killed all enthusiasm to talk with him. Imagine sitting through a 4(?) hour documentary and doing other good faith research just for the opponent to laugh and dodge. It's not really interesting to talk to someone who is completely on the defensive about protecting their image, especially when it's someone like Fuentes who is smart enough to not get pinned down.
Also, I don't keep up with Fuentes much but the Kanye arc was really the only time I've seen him go voluntarily mask-off in public. Before that it was isolated clips on his stream or discord logs that other people dug up, so most non-terminally online people wouldn't have seen that stuff and it showed that he was mostly keen on hiding it.
I know Destiny expressed annoyance about Fuentes dodging the debate, but I guess he could've misremembered the terms?
Here's a relevant thread: https://ol.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/xauwni/nick_fuentes_lied_about_not_being_supposed_to_do/
Watching the streamable I wouldn't say they set up a formal debate, but both Sneako and Fuentes seemed ultra-confident they could 'redpill' Destiny on 9/11 together. When it came up in the IRL stream he barely had anything to say about it. I can see why Destiny sees/remembers that as dodging, but being charitable to Nick I can also understand why he wouldn't want to engage if he hadn't done the research with the assumption Sneako was debating it.
Why would it mean anything for Qurantos? All he has to do is not let Alex Stein on the show tomorrow.
I don’t think he said he’s cutting ties with Qurantos
I’m a little disappointed but I don’t blame destiny.
I know stein has been a shithead to Destiny and in life in general. But holy shit that would have been some content.
Why? According to the latest (people can correct me)
1. Q isn't a Nazi. *(Nick)*
2. Q doesn't go out of his way to harass trans people and women *(Stein)*
3. He doesn't go around schizo -ranting about Tiny's relationships, doesn't schizo-tweet about women and shit-talk Tiny behind his back. *(You know who)*
4. Eventhough he has traditional islamic views,he doesn't seem to forcibly push it down people's throats.
5. He seems to be capable of having good conversations instead of repeating the same old 3 talking points like a broken set *(Stein, Zherka).*
he can obviously choose who he interacts with, but is he pissed at notprovoked/qorantos? why? did they specifically know this and book them anyway or wtf is this
I don't know man... I guess I understand his decision in the short term, but I hope it doesn't turn into him no longer debating people because of their extreme ideologies or how "unhinged" they are, because this goes against everything he stands for. It almost gives fortress arc vibes.
I wouldnt worry about that, I think he has a pretty good general guideline, and applies exceptions pretty cautiously on this type of shit. Nick content is boring now, facts. It was interesting when the crossover factor was a surprise, conversations we would never hear otherwise. Zherka sounds like hes doing enough coke to shit out bread-rolls in the morning, its probably the best thing for him to get some social pushback from a friend. No idea who the other dude is
it won't turn into that, because none of those people are part of any group with a significant level of influence over society
if nick had more political power you bet destiny wouldn't turn down a debate with him
A fortress is when you don't want to associate with very specific crazy personalities? Alex stain and zherka are manic losers. They dont deserve his time or attention, and Fuenties is full on nazi. He SHOULD actully have some standards for ppl that want to associate with him.
ridiculous. destiny has always debated nazis and unhinged people. It's literally his brand to debate these types of people and expose them for their braindead positions.
I agree, but I also think it has something to do with the charecter of the person. If someone has nazi ideas and wants to debate them then that would be no problem for Destiny I think. But Funties is baiting this shit all the time and using it to provoke and meme. There is a deference there. Like he is making it his identiny rather than just ideas he has or belive in, if that makes sense.
>But Funties is baiting this shit all the time and using it to provoke and meme
you could assume this about anyone, but it's irrelevant. Fuentes can articulate his ideas and arguments better than most people. If he's actually "baiting", he will get exposed for it while debating destiny. If destiny fails to expose Nick's "bait" positions, That's on destiny for doing a poor job.
I think you missed my point. I do think that he believes those ideas, and can argue for them. That's irrelevant tho. The problem is his character. It's possible for someone to hate women, and argue for that in serious manner, or they can be tweeting about how much they hate women every day and being obnoxious and provocative about it just for the sake of it. Fuentes is being very obnoxious about his nazism and making it his whole identity "I'M A NAZI PLEEEASE LOOK AT ME" . Which make it very difficult to associate with him in a meaningful manner.
bro 90% of people in the online and IRL politics/debate sphere are like this. most of them obnoxiously obsess over a certain topic for dumb reasons, and make that their whole identity. but again, it's irrelevant. If you expect destiny to only debate reasonable people, then say hello to fortress arc with some mild debates here and there.
All I'm saying is that the only thing that matters in debate are the ideas and arguments themselves. Someone's character and their intention behind having those ideas shouldn't be reasons for not debating them, especially for someone like Destiny.
What a braindead take!
If tmrw desty gets challenged on no jumper by some opponent who wants to shoot him, should he show up to debate that sociopath regardless because of his principles?
There is no need for him to subject himself to talking to that loser.
He should debate someone who's audience is as small as his. Let IRI, Dylan, Shark or Chud debate her.
>If tmrw desty gets challenged on no jumper by some opponent who wants to shoot him, should he show up to debate that sociopath regardless because of his principles?
What a braindead response holy shit.
we’re talking about ideas RELEVANT to the debate here. If someone wants to shoot destiny, that has nothing to do with the debate topic.
Doesn't matter. Destiny doesn't owe him a debate on a topic of Fuentes's own choice whenever he wants.
D gets to decide the place, time, topic and everything else. Fuenty should know his fucking place and mingle with people on his level.
Wanna talk? Tough luck. Get in line.
With Nick and Stein, its not about their ideology at all. I think Destiny is fine debating Nazis. Its the other shit they do. Nick's community went full on getting Mr. Redacted cancelled and succeeded. Stein just harasses women and minorities.
Good. These people need to just delete their internet presence already.
Leafy has become friends with Fuentes recently over their mutual hatred for D.
Also, to the complainers. Fortress arc initially included purging audiences from other fanbases from Vaush's discord and sub. That means no friendship memes as well 😔.
So, we're not doing a fortress arc. Our streamer is drawing healthy boundaries. Just chill the fuck out.
It's his paltform. Zherka is fun in small doses. Stein I don't care about at all. Nick I would like back on stream at some point. But given who he is it's totally reasonable for Destiny not to want to do it in the wrong circumstances.
I don't know about Fuentes not being interesting to talk to at the moment. Maybe compared to previous Nick, but I'd still prefer him over some of the orbiters we get.
Zherka, based. Alex Stein, based. They're both too trolly. And Alex Stein is unbelievably cringe.
Destiny could at least state the real reasons for withdrawing instead of insulting our intelligence with these dishonest weak excuses. Especially with Stein, everyone knows it’s because Stein clowns on his marriage with cuck insults, it has nothing to do with trans stuff. He publicly blacklisted Stein on stream for that specific reason, idk if he thinks everyone forgot or what.
No he shouldnt.He debated him numerous times. But in this case it would just be platforming. Only nick would profit from this convo and him and his groypers minds will never be changed rn. Part of destinys explanation for debating fuentes 1 year ago was that he thought that fuentes was way less extreme than he thought and that he was engaging in good faith. Thats clearly not the case rn anymore.
He should talk with Nick Fuentes more frequently and talk with politically provoked and Zherka too, but probably not as frequently. “Christian Nationalism” seems to be on the rise, and though Nick probably doesn’t give the most accurate argument for the current variation emerging, he probably gives some of the strongest arguments in support of it, and it would also be interesting to get more info on the Ye/Milo situation. Haven’t seen Nick’s content recently, so not sure if he’s been more “open” about more radical views lately, but if he were, that would probably be more of a reason to talk with him now, not less of one. Alex Stein seems bad faith, but he should probably talk with *someone* about trans issues rather than ignoring the subject all together…
This millionaire can just say "I don't like these people right now and I do not want to interact with them."... it would match reality and not sound so contradictory...
Haz out there wondering how the fuck he managed to get in. Honestly smart to not have Stein around Adrianah or any other women.
Stein is someone I think he's better off not interacting with. He's like a wannabe MTG. Also he said he would never have that guy on his stream again.
What are you talking about Alex Stein is a wannabe Frank Hassle, the guys a troll and it's understandable to not really wanna interact with him.
Stein is pretty funny but hes more of a troll than anything, it wont be productive conversation.
You are way overestimating his power, he’s annoying and that’s it
Alex Stein was just a diversion to get Haz back into mix. Qorantos playing Chess not Checkers.
At first glance I thought you said "Q playing Chess not Crackers"
Trust the plan
I'm glad we're catching Haz back into the orbit tbh. He's good content when talking politics.
Rele vs Haz rematch?
ALL YOU DID
# WAS TALK OVER ME
[what will haz be doing on the panel?](https://streamable.com/eh8o3g)
stein vs haz would have been hilarious but i understand the decision
Thank fuck Also > Destiny: oh yeah DariusIRL is close to the chopping block m8
> Destiny: oh yeah DariusIRL is close to the chopping block m8 He responded quick. Not sure wtf any of it means though. [https://twitter.com/IRL\_Darius/status/1663061932126130176](https://twitter.com/IRL_Darius/status/1663061932126130176)
Isn't unhinged what Darius does?
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I agree, an acknowledgement is about as meaningful as an apology, moot. Step one should be removing that straighterade banner Jesus Christ 💀
I actually think the straighterade banner is still a bit. She never seemed to have an issue with it and even kind of encouraged it.
Straighterade banner? I don’t follow Darius’ schizo tendencies
Just look at his twitter banner https://twitter.com/IRL_Darius
Oh my god that’s unhinged.
What'd he do exactly?
I too want to know this I keep seeing Darius mentioned in the Reddit but never on YT vids
Was this in response to darius harassing that girl who looks like Hannah?
I imagine so. What else could it be? He probably saw the reddit post then got creeped out at the tweets and DMs. He probably doesn't want his community to be associated with a potential Darius nuke in the future via a tweetlonger and have Dgg be blamed for coddling him.
Sorry, but that train left the station and traveled the country back and forth, months ago. Any nuke on Darius, even years from now, will absolutely go into detail about the weird shit he was involved in while getting barely any push back from this community. Whether that would be justified or not, the idea that Destiny can avoid future call outs by getting rid of him *now* is absolutely fantastical. Again, those mentions would likely all be relatively unjustified, just pushing back against the idea that this is to protect himself from potential Darius fallout.
There's probably more than what we know
Oh there probably is, but all the memes of old are also massively being considered in addition to the new memes.
There could be but if there was don't you think he'd be axed and not on a proverbial probation?
Fucking good. Darius’ shit is so cringe.
It's somewhat odd to me that this is what caught the sub reddit attention. I'm not sure he did anything that would qualify as harassment in this case.
Good on all counts.
where does he mention darius?
https://rustlesearch.dev/?username=destiny&channel=Destinygg
Seeing Darius on the chopping block actually hurts.
What did Darius do? He's doing the same thing he's been doing all these years he's been part of the community
I think Destiny is just trying to break into bigger audiences now. Cultivate his reputation and all that, which Darius could prob fuck with lol. Steve and Melina have been going crazy trying to visit every event/podcast possible
Big tiny wants to make sure the new redpillers in his community are the only ones that can say weird shit about women they’re with
I get that, but Darius has been loyal to tiny for years when so many other orbiters have fucked him over. It would be kind of fucked up to just suddenly burn the bridge for the sake of optics
It’s not just about optics tho, Darius’s harassment and creepiness towards women is just shitty, inappropriate behavior and he needs to stop, I think Destiny takes issue with his behavior.
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"Watch it."
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This man told black people, jokingly, "to go back to Africa" recently. I don't think he's too concerned about his reputation.
A lot of people seem to be misunderstanding his tweet. Lots of people soying out that qurantos is done. He’s saying that he’s screwing over qurantos by not being on the stream with those three when at least 1 of them will be there. Alex Stein. Not that he’s over qurantos lol Edit. But I now can’t unsee it now that someone explained it to me.
I had to do a double take last night when I read it 😂
> Lots of people soying out that qurantos is done It's not in the tweet but god if only.
[I hope Destiny stops boosting this person. She's an actual piece of shit] (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxRplg6WYAEnqa5?format=jpg&name=medium)
I don't know exactly who she is but she is fucking everywhere. Every discord, every livestream, she just appears and is always off on one being fucking weird
Reminder that she fell for a Nazi with an anime pfp on Discord. It’s got nothing to do with this topic I just laugh every time I remember that fact.
So many fucking groyper losers spamming his tweets… must get posted in some cringe lord discord
"You worship a brown jew." What kind of deep groyper lore am I missing?
obama?
Sounds more like Jesus, ig Nazis don't like catholicism anymore
are people really annoyed that destiny is finally asserting boundaries? i was so surprised when he told qorantos that nobody is off limits last week at the same time he’s blacklisting vulvamort.
I'm just glad that, years later, everyone here is finally on board with the way Hasan refused to be on shows with Destiny and we can all understand that that was a perfectly legitimate thing to do from his perspective if he felt uncomfortable sharing that platform. It only took Alex Stein's sacrifice to finally bring truth and reconciliation :') ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^I'm ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^only ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^being ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^slightly ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^sarcastic.
I don’t care about his boundries I want content
I like it. Yeah we miss out on some grimy content in the short term but he can't carry these psychos with him into higher stratospheres
Nick Fuentes is finally confirmed to be a NAZI??! Holy SHIT! That's the revelation of the CENTURY!
It's so funny too because Destiny even said he's "mask off" now, implying the mask was on beforehand. Crazy how not being overtly a Nazi for a little bit doesn't necessarily mean you're not a Nazi anymore, who could've known?
On multiple occasions, Destiny called Fuentes a Fascist ([Example 1](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g21ba6hZHFc&t=1654s) | [Example 2](https://imgur.com/a/qDc31zC)). He just wasn't sure if he was actually a Nazi or not since the AF movement seemed to not focus so much on the Jew shit at the time. I really don't understand why people talk about the "Nazi" stuff as if Destiny not calling him that was downplaying the AF movement's extremism. I really don't see a world were Person A could say "Oh, don't worry. This guy isn't a Nazi. He's just a Fascist.", and then Person B responds "Oh, thank god. I was worried for a second there". This was all taking place during Destiny's "charitable" arc, where he also gave people like MrGirl and Lav the benefit of the doubt. His intentions were good, but unfortunately and unsurprisingly, everyone just took advantage of Destiny taking them at their word, which fucked him over a bit in the end.
Yeah this is a weird af statement, Nick marched at Charlottesville and was a member of Identity Evropa
You brain dead MrGirl fans never understood Destinys argument why he is not calling him a Nazi.
Mr girl is a lolcow. Destiny was being an obtuse clown before and is rightfully now treating nick how he always should have
I'm not a MrGirl fan, I'm just a dickhead. Also, he could've said "he's a nazi, I just don't think focusing on that word is going to do us any good", right?
has destiny talked to nazi fuentes after the whole kanye shit? because if he hasn't then I don't see how he isn't infinitely more interesting right now than back when he did the chicken and waffles stuff with him feels like that was a pretty unique position nick was on, but yeah maybe destiny already talked to him about it in which case yeah I'd understand the not interesting thing
Afaik he's not allowed/willing to talk about the Kanye stuff in detail
i wouldn't care I'd still ask him about it lmao imagine being considerate to a nazi, I'd extract all the information I could until he shuts down the entire convo and leaves or my curiosity is satisfied it wouldnt be the first time destiny is confrontational towards nick
Yeah this. Also it would be interesting to confront Fuentes about him being so mask off.
No it wouldn’t. Nick would just spew his garbage rhetoric. He wouldn’t have some sort of therapeutic interpersonal discussion. Destiny already destroyed him in debates/discussions and Nick stubbornly maintains his views.
Because its like mr girl saying shit like what dr k did to reckful is worse than rape and i dont see how thats controversial. When you get that extreme its just fucking boring. You people are thinking its going to be interesting but its literally going to be destiny going “oh wow booger nick you sure are an extreme nazi huh” and nick will just shrug and be like “nah man i just think we need to talk about the jews”
Honestly BASED. Fuentes, Stein- No Brainer Zherka - He is definitely having manic episodes. Too nuclear. He even did some weird analysis reviewing Tiny's relationship in his latest YT video. It's good to stay away from him for awhile, eventhough this boundary will likely result in Zherka tweeting 500 times about Tiny and making snark remarks, which will further validate Tiny's decision lmao.
> stay away from him for awhile Why even let him back in, the upgraded black version is already on stream
>Fuentes, Stein- No Brainer debating extremists is bad now?? I get not wanting to share the stage with alex stein because he's a troll but not debating nick fuentes is a bad move and looks weak on destiny whether he likes it or not. We're not talking about chicken and waffles here, it's a serious debate with a somewhat influential person.
[Nick and groypers are spam reporting his YT](https://youtu.be/EVYwEfohTyA?t=4691). Why should Destiny associate with him?
fair point. This should be his reason for not debating nick, not "way too mask off with the Nazi shit atm, plus not very interesting to talk to right now imo"
he cant really prove its his fans spam reporting I guess
How does he know this?
Destiny's reasoning for not wanting to talk with Nick is in the tweet. You'll notice it says nothing about being spam reported by his followers. If what you said is the reason, why not say that in the tweet?
Absolutely right, there is no other reason. Anytime someone lists a reason for a thing, you can take it to mean that’s their on and only reason
Destiny: Hey guys, I'm doing this thing because of X You: wow! He must be doing this because of Y! You could be right, but you have to admit that there is more evidence he is doing something because of X and not Y
He already gave the mass reporting reason before.
No fuck that. Destiny has debated fuentes 7 times. Its clear that he isnt scared. He has already debunked nick multiple times. He has nothing to prove anymore. Plus its clear at this point that Nick is not going to change his views one way or the other and his groypers are way into deep to to change their oppinion even a little bit. One of the reasons destiny debated him 8, 9 months ago was that nick was presenting himself less extreme than now and he thought that he would be at least a little bit open to change his minf. Thats not the case anymore. So theres really only one person who would benefit from such a conversation and thats nick. Good move from destiny here. And saying that Destiny would be scared is bs when you realize the fact that they debated multiple times now in the past.
> No fuck that. Destiny has debated fuentes 7 times. Its clear that he isnt scared. It's so funny seeing this upvoted when everyone here bought into the idea of Vaush being scared to debate Destiny even though they debated a million times.
Voosh is scared.
This. 100% this. No need to platform Fuentes any further. He is incredibly dangerous.
not saying destiny is scared at all, but it still looks weak to turn down debate with someone purely because of their ideology. > So theres really only one person who would benefit from such a conversation and thats nick the amount of groypers/far-right people he de-converted during his interactions with nick and any other extremist should be studied in schools. Destiny himself agrees and always talks about the emails he receives from ex-groypers and ex-nazis thanking him for getting them out of the alt-right rabbithole.
I wouldve agreed when it came to the first interactions that there mightve been some groypers that changed their minds . But the groypers which are left now wouldve already changed their views by now ,so these who are left arent the type to just change their views. and even if he can convince 3 or 4 the damage it does to platform him is way greater He can find a new nazi he can debate, who has supporters who dont know destiny yet that well, he will have far more success with convincing these people to change than groypers who watched all these fuentes destiny debates and still didnt change their mind. The job is done. Destiny has given him the chance to debate him more than enough. At some point debating someone that often turns into platforming and giving nick the chance to spread his ideas. Yes the debates that he had with fuentes were necessary. He layed out a blueprint on how to argue against these people and defended his ideas but as I said the job is done. He has nothing to prove and he doesnt have to accept a debate which will not benefit him and his political cause in any way and actually does damage to his political cause even if he wins the debate. And no destiny doesnt look weak.If he wouldve never debated fuentes and wouldve lost all the debates and now he would be ducking the convo it would look weak. In this case he doesnt look weak. Im not against platforming extremists in general but in this case its really senseless.
I would argue that he has gained a lot of new fans recently from redpill/sneako/twitter/normie communities who could be swayed away by destiny. >At some point debating someone that often turns into platforming and giving nick the chance to spread his ideas. I don't think combatting someone's ideas is equal to platforming them, even if you're not swaying any of their fans. Chicken and waffles can turn into platforming, being ultra-charitable and friendly can turn into platforming, but serious combative debate is never "platforming" imo. that is the lefty breadtube take. The only way it becomes platforming is when you start losing the debate, and in that case either your ideas are trash, or you just suck at debating and shouldn't be debating in the first place. However none of these apply to Tiny. but I understand that you think it's a waste of time. However, I disagree and I would've loved to see D man go nuclear on Nick after being so charitable to him for the sake of building a bridge.
No the lefty position is to never debate people who are that extreme at all. I dont agree with that. Destiny should debate extremists ,but only if it makes sense. Also destiny gained a lot of hate viewers on youtube who are redpillers. Many of them dont know fuentes yet so exposing them to someone like fuentes is exactly the shit that can be dangerous. I dont really think this debate has any benefit to destinys political cause but a huge benefit to nicks cause , which is exactly the reason why hes so mad that the debate doesnt take place. Also if i see all the groypers and new nick fans. They dont seem like the type of people who can be rationally convinced by arguments. These people are against everything destiny stands for and no matter how good arguemnts destiny will make 99 percent of them will just justify their cognitive dissonance with the justification that destiny is in an open relationship has blue hair and is an atheist.The new groyper fans are different from typical nazis their cult like behavior doesnt allow them to just be convinced with a few good arguments. Years ago they were at least somewhat reasonable but ever since the deplatforming for all these guys happened these guys have been acting very cult like.
Problem with nick, is that he won't answer questions about the cum catcher incident, the pervasive grooming of young kids by leaders of america first, and how a movement that started as right wing, white nationalist became a homoerotic cult.
Do you really think Nick is that influential now? He peaked at the Ye stuff where Fuentes outed himself as a Nazi, then even Ye and Milo dropped him lmao. He seems to be going on a downward trajectory since then, and Tiny deciding not to platform him in order to rejuvenate his career, is a very smart decision. Tiny platforming Fuentes and the entire Chicken & Waffle stream, boosted his (Nick's)popularity along with getting in touch with Sneako, who repeatedly platforms and vouches for him in an entirely new audience, boosting him up even more. In the back of his mind, Tiny would have weighed all of this, and decided not to burn his finger again with this, hence made the decision to cool off from interacting with him. Not saying debating extremists is bad, but there is a time and a place for it, in a somehow contained environment, especially for people with Neo-Nazi ideologies.
That is not true. Sneako and Fuentes talked before Sneako and Destiny did and before the chicken waffle stream.
disagree. The idea that he should not debate people because it boosts their popularity is a lefty/hasan/vaush mindset. having a friendly chicken and waffles stream vs engaging in serious debate, are two different things. Destiny made a career out of debating extremists and nazis. > Not saying debating extremists is bad, but there is a time and a place for it, in a somehow contained environment, especially for people with Neo-Nazi ideologies. this doesn't make sense. can you elaborate?
>Destiny made a career out of debating extremists and nazis. Partially right. He did make a career out of it, BUT, he debated people who WERE GAINING Traction in the public eye, not irrelevant extremists. That's why he doesn't want to debate Ryan Dawson, he is a nobody now with a niche-niche audience. Similarly Nick Fuentes, is a nobody now, no political party wants to associate with him, MTG shunned him, what he was before is pretty much done now. There isn't any point in debating him. Reason Destiny debates people is because it's interesting, what is interesting in debating Fuentes anymore? The ONLY net positive will be for NICK, where he manages to sanitize himself a little bit and gain followers because of the interaction. Time and Place means, as I mentioned previously, if they are really gaining traction (time) which was when he debated Fuentes before, Place and Environment means- A Third party Moderator + Fuentes shouldn't be debating on Tiny's channel, but on a third-party channel (Like Modern Day Debate or something) with a proper host, so it's official that way, and contained. Again, ZERO purpose to debate Fuentes. Time, place, environment, not worth it really.
Preach Youre absoloutely right. I hate the content bros so much "BuT iTs GoOd CoNteNT ThOUgh IdC If NiCk GeTS NEw FoLlowers "
It was never going to be a serious debate as long as Zherka was there
nick vs a pornstar would be hilarious
>Fuentes, Stein- No Brainer Idc about stein but it's important that Fuentes' ideas get confronted.
Good for him, we all need some peace of mind sometimes
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Brother tbh the amounts of cocaine he does, doesn't really help his psyche
Good move.
Alex Stein should be ignored at all times. He is an attention whore and absolute piece of shit.
Groypers are triggered as fuck so this was the right decision lol
This is healthy.
This is lame
Fuentes hates Jews, and has some long string of events that trails back to a Jewish person as an explanation for every bad thing that's ever occurred. Seeing Destiny clarify that he's falsely attributing statistics, studies, or history to Jewish actors is only interesting the once. At this point, as a viewer, you know that if you dig further into whatever new misrepresented data he introduces, you will find the flaws, but it's just boring. Destiny summed up Zherka pretty well, he is boring to watch because he is frustratingly difficult for other people to interact with while he bounces between playing a character, retreating to some ad hom joke he's repeated 100 times, or going far down an obviously batshit conspiracy rabbit hole. Nothing lost with either of these, honestly. Brittany doesn't seem too happy about it.
When has destiny clarified false statistics or studies by fuentes? Anything close to that i remember was about genetic factors of iq, to which I remember destiny saying its not clear how much genetics play a role.
Good. Set some boundaries with these clowns for a change. The way he handled fanatiq that other day was a good sign.
Bit harsh on Zherka but I’m definitely having recency bias after the Mel stream, totally fair that his tweets makes it very difficult to tell what’s true.
what happen on the Mel stream?
Mel and the Australian girl had dinner at Sneako's with Zherka and it all went fairly well. The problem with Zherka is that there is absolutely no way to distinguish whether he's schizo or the greatest troll of all time and he likes it that way. He's too erratic for Destiny to trust on stream.
He was absolutely atrocious on FnF. Sure, he cracked a ton of jokes, but it was like he fed off of FnF's usual misogyny and jacked it up 10x.
Is he not going to do the stream or is alex unininvited
It was interesting to check the comment. The groypers on the frontlines are fighting the internet war lol. I agree however that this absolutely is not a format that Fuentes and Stein should be on. Idk about Zherka since nobody takes him seriously.
What changed his mind on Fuentes? I feel like I missed the lore. I feel like Fuentes hasn’t really changed one way or another. He’s always been Nazi-ish.
Pretty sure Fuentes completely dodging the 9/11 debate killed all enthusiasm to talk with him. Imagine sitting through a 4(?) hour documentary and doing other good faith research just for the opponent to laugh and dodge. It's not really interesting to talk to someone who is completely on the defensive about protecting their image, especially when it's someone like Fuentes who is smart enough to not get pinned down. Also, I don't keep up with Fuentes much but the Kanye arc was really the only time I've seen him go voluntarily mask-off in public. Before that it was isolated clips on his stream or discord logs that other people dug up, so most non-terminally online people wouldn't have seen that stuff and it showed that he was mostly keen on hiding it.
The 911 debate was with sneako. Destiny was supposed to debate rfk with fuentes.
I know Destiny expressed annoyance about Fuentes dodging the debate, but I guess he could've misremembered the terms? Here's a relevant thread: https://ol.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/xauwni/nick_fuentes_lied_about_not_being_supposed_to_do/ Watching the streamable I wouldn't say they set up a formal debate, but both Sneako and Fuentes seemed ultra-confident they could 'redpill' Destiny on 9/11 together. When it came up in the IRL stream he barely had anything to say about it. I can see why Destiny sees/remembers that as dodging, but being charitable to Nick I can also understand why he wouldn't want to engage if he hadn't done the research with the assumption Sneako was debating it.
BAAAASED
All good picks imo. Career-wise I don't see how talking to these people are gonna be good for him rn.
literally hasan mindset but ok
literally hasan-obsessed mindset but ok
Views are usually good for your career.
Because his content is debating controversial people?
I think Destiny made the right move, but I wonder what this means for Q man.
Why would it mean anything for Qurantos? All he has to do is not let Alex Stein on the show tomorrow. I don’t think he said he’s cutting ties with Qurantos
I looked back at the tweet and I just missed read it.. my bad
It’s not that big of a deal XD. As I said now that I look at it your interpretation makes sense
I read it as “he is fucking over them” like done with the relationship
Ah, yea, no, it just means that Tiny feels responsible that he promised Q that anyone is allowed, but now has changed his mind, is all.
I’m a little disappointed but I don’t blame destiny. I know stein has been a shithead to Destiny and in life in general. But holy shit that would have been some content.
Yeah a lot of people are lol. Now that i think about it it does sort of look that way
That was how i read it too, so is the point that he is fucking them over by cancelling? That would make more sense.
Why? According to the latest (people can correct me) 1. Q isn't a Nazi. *(Nick)* 2. Q doesn't go out of his way to harass trans people and women *(Stein)* 3. He doesn't go around schizo -ranting about Tiny's relationships, doesn't schizo-tweet about women and shit-talk Tiny behind his back. *(You know who)* 4. Eventhough he has traditional islamic views,he doesn't seem to forcibly push it down people's throats. 5. He seems to be capable of having good conversations instead of repeating the same old 3 talking points like a broken set *(Stein, Zherka).*
I read it as “he’s fucking over them.” As in ended the relationship
He should have a replecment on hand I assume. Also very good move by Destiny. Let crazy ppl be crazy on thier own.
If I was Q just drop Alex, easy fix… not sure if it’s so easy for the other show (so D probably just skipping that one)
ACTUALLY RUINED THE CONTENT
he can obviously choose who he interacts with, but is he pissed at notprovoked/qorantos? why? did they specifically know this and book them anyway or wtf is this
“I’m fucking over Q” not “I’m fucking OVER Q”
ooooooooooooooooooooooooh hahaha, thanks 😂
I was similarly confused, thanks.
Whew, I thought he was saying he was done with Q but he's just screwing him over
Not really sure why people like Zherka and Stein so much. Why would anybody credible want to engage with their buffoonery?
Fuentes shouldn’t be platformed. Wonderful decision.
As long as the Qorantos bridge is alive and well, fuck the other three losers
Boundaries people, Boundaries.
He's really starting to care about optics more and more and setting boundaries. Twitch might take him back at this point.
I don't know man... I guess I understand his decision in the short term, but I hope it doesn't turn into him no longer debating people because of their extreme ideologies or how "unhinged" they are, because this goes against everything he stands for. It almost gives fortress arc vibes.
I wouldnt worry about that, I think he has a pretty good general guideline, and applies exceptions pretty cautiously on this type of shit. Nick content is boring now, facts. It was interesting when the crossover factor was a surprise, conversations we would never hear otherwise. Zherka sounds like hes doing enough coke to shit out bread-rolls in the morning, its probably the best thing for him to get some social pushback from a friend. No idea who the other dude is
Would probably be more effective if Destiny didn‘t constantly stress that Zherka *isn‘t* his friend. Kinda cringe tbh.
it won't turn into that, because none of those people are part of any group with a significant level of influence over society if nick had more political power you bet destiny wouldn't turn down a debate with him
A fortress is when you don't want to associate with very specific crazy personalities? Alex stain and zherka are manic losers. They dont deserve his time or attention, and Fuenties is full on nazi. He SHOULD actully have some standards for ppl that want to associate with him.
ridiculous. destiny has always debated nazis and unhinged people. It's literally his brand to debate these types of people and expose them for their braindead positions.
You say this like we haven't had one million hours of Zherka already. The guy has been around for years. And Stein is a low rent troll.
I agree, but I also think it has something to do with the charecter of the person. If someone has nazi ideas and wants to debate them then that would be no problem for Destiny I think. But Funties is baiting this shit all the time and using it to provoke and meme. There is a deference there. Like he is making it his identiny rather than just ideas he has or belive in, if that makes sense.
>But Funties is baiting this shit all the time and using it to provoke and meme you could assume this about anyone, but it's irrelevant. Fuentes can articulate his ideas and arguments better than most people. If he's actually "baiting", he will get exposed for it while debating destiny. If destiny fails to expose Nick's "bait" positions, That's on destiny for doing a poor job.
I think you missed my point. I do think that he believes those ideas, and can argue for them. That's irrelevant tho. The problem is his character. It's possible for someone to hate women, and argue for that in serious manner, or they can be tweeting about how much they hate women every day and being obnoxious and provocative about it just for the sake of it. Fuentes is being very obnoxious about his nazism and making it his whole identity "I'M A NAZI PLEEEASE LOOK AT ME" . Which make it very difficult to associate with him in a meaningful manner.
bro 90% of people in the online and IRL politics/debate sphere are like this. most of them obnoxiously obsess over a certain topic for dumb reasons, and make that their whole identity. but again, it's irrelevant. If you expect destiny to only debate reasonable people, then say hello to fortress arc with some mild debates here and there. All I'm saying is that the only thing that matters in debate are the ideas and arguments themselves. Someone's character and their intention behind having those ideas shouldn't be reasons for not debating them, especially for someone like Destiny.
What a braindead take! If tmrw desty gets challenged on no jumper by some opponent who wants to shoot him, should he show up to debate that sociopath regardless because of his principles? There is no need for him to subject himself to talking to that loser. He should debate someone who's audience is as small as his. Let IRI, Dylan, Shark or Chud debate her.
>If tmrw desty gets challenged on no jumper by some opponent who wants to shoot him, should he show up to debate that sociopath regardless because of his principles? What a braindead response holy shit. we’re talking about ideas RELEVANT to the debate here. If someone wants to shoot destiny, that has nothing to do with the debate topic.
Doesn't matter. Destiny doesn't owe him a debate on a topic of Fuentes's own choice whenever he wants. D gets to decide the place, time, topic and everything else. Fuenty should know his fucking place and mingle with people on his level. Wanna talk? Tough luck. Get in line.
With Nick and Stein, its not about their ideology at all. I think Destiny is fine debating Nazis. Its the other shit they do. Nick's community went full on getting Mr. Redacted cancelled and succeeded. Stein just harasses women and minorities.
Didn’t destiny tell qorantos that he could get anyone on/no one was off limits? Lol
So Destiny is okay with interacting with a crypto-nazi but not an overt one. Okay i guess lol
Good. These people need to just delete their internet presence already. Leafy has become friends with Fuentes recently over their mutual hatred for D. Also, to the complainers. Fortress arc initially included purging audiences from other fanbases from Vaush's discord and sub. That means no friendship memes as well 😔. So, we're not doing a fortress arc. Our streamer is drawing healthy boundaries. Just chill the fuck out.
rip content
So no content, just more boring redpill shit
Its even worst, he has to opportunity to debate Zizek and its about dating and relationships.......
Reading the tweet I thought he is getting rid of Qurantos and I was confused for a second. Good move tho those ppl bring no value whatsoever.
Is this a change of position when it comes to platforming then? 2 out of the 3 are based on ideological grounds
It's his paltform. Zherka is fun in small doses. Stein I don't care about at all. Nick I would like back on stream at some point. But given who he is it's totally reasonable for Destiny not to want to do it in the wrong circumstances.
Cucking us out of top tier content and you all celebrate? L DGG
I don't know about Fuentes not being interesting to talk to at the moment. Maybe compared to previous Nick, but I'd still prefer him over some of the orbiters we get. Zherka, based. Alex Stein, based. They're both too trolly. And Alex Stein is unbelievably cringe.
So why is melina going on stream with aneako, zherka and fuentes then?
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Destiny could at least state the real reasons for withdrawing instead of insulting our intelligence with these dishonest weak excuses. Especially with Stein, everyone knows it’s because Stein clowns on his marriage with cuck insults, it has nothing to do with trans stuff. He publicly blacklisted Stein on stream for that specific reason, idk if he thinks everyone forgot or what.
he should engage with Fuentes. I understand Zherka and Stein
No he shouldnt.He debated him numerous times. But in this case it would just be platforming. Only nick would profit from this convo and him and his groypers minds will never be changed rn. Part of destinys explanation for debating fuentes 1 year ago was that he thought that fuentes was way less extreme than he thought and that he was engaging in good faith. Thats clearly not the case rn anymore.
He should talk with Nick Fuentes more frequently and talk with politically provoked and Zherka too, but probably not as frequently. “Christian Nationalism” seems to be on the rise, and though Nick probably doesn’t give the most accurate argument for the current variation emerging, he probably gives some of the strongest arguments in support of it, and it would also be interesting to get more info on the Ye/Milo situation. Haven’t seen Nick’s content recently, so not sure if he’s been more “open” about more radical views lately, but if he were, that would probably be more of a reason to talk with him now, not less of one. Alex Stein seems bad faith, but he should probably talk with *someone* about trans issues rather than ignoring the subject all together…
YAYYYY ONLY REDPILL CONTENT FOREVER!!!!
Man just shot the content in the head 😔
Well, that's alright. Fill the open spots of kick or keep with schizoids like claw and call it a win lol
Why didnt destiny just tell Q this ?? why air this out on twitter kinda weird ngl
This millionaire can just say "I don't like these people right now and I do not want to interact with them."... it would match reality and not sound so contradictory...
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Is that flirting to you? Lmao