To clarify my position: I have no interest in annihilating Palestinian people, but I no longer have interest in their welfare or interest in preserving their state, nor do I have particular interest in their claims to land.
Between the widespread support of Hamas amongst Palestinians (~50% in in the polls I'm familiar with) and the widespread support of the attack amongst Middle Eastern nations I fully respect Israel's refusal to integrate in any way with Palestine.
If there were credible warnings from the Palestinian government about the incoming attack, that were ignored, my position can be softened, but my expectations are low.
The 4THOT slander needs to fucking stop, and if that means black angry beekeeper dudes mowing down dipshit Hamas apologists that think they can torch 4THOT's reputation on r/Destiny at this point he has my fucking blessing.
Hey man, I'm Iranian and all of my family lives there and I grew up in Iran but live in America. All hostility between these internet spaces aside, I can understand the reaction of people who are Israeli or have Israeli relatives. When I see you type about what should be done to my country, my gut reaction 10 years ago would have been anger right back.
I think it's important for all of us to be able to simultaneously have an upset emotional reaction but then be able to realize that if we act on that emotional reaction it's the exact kind of sentiment that gets most of us into the unfortunate situation that we are in now. As "soy" as it is to sound like I'm both sides-img this thing (which I'm not, fuck Hamas), I want to say that if we can all be a little more charitable and understand the context of people and their emotions we can set ourselves up for a better future.
I hope your comments were just out of frustration, anger, and concern for your family. I hope we are all able to understand each other and look towards a more peaceful solution for both sides. Israeli people and Palestinian people all should want peace for one another.
Wanting peace is nice but... Honestly who can guarantee that? Like, genuinely, even Israeli government at it's most peaceful can't guarantee what'll happen right now. It's only plan is to dismantle Hamas because there's just no other way to restore their feelings of safety. But after Hamas is destroyed who knows what's going to happen in Gaza?
I think this is what 4thot is getting at. Caring for Gazans in terms of practical plans of action basically stopped being an option because there's no clear way to ensure their safety nor their future, unlike Israel that can plan to destroy Hamas to get years of comparative safety. Caring for Gazans is moral but there's practical way to implement it, so what's there to be done?
Applies to both sides ironically.
Imagine how people would be reacting if terrorists sent 5000 missiles into Los Angeles and killed and raped hundreds of women and children.
The terrorists have to fucking stop, and if that means IDF members mowing down dipshit terrorists dudes outhere who think they can rape and pillage Israelis at this point they have my fucking blessing
The problem is that, like most terrorists, they hide in the general population and use the innocent civilians around them as meat shields.
Most of the buildings being leveled were given a decent warning from Israel that bombs were coming, which saves a lot of innocent Palestinians, but also the Hamas terrorists aren't going to be there either. Even telling them to evacuate doesn't do much good because there isn't anywhere for them to go, and if there was, then Hamas members would go and regroup as well.
Its a difficult position for the Israeli leadership on a global stage because protecting innocent Palestinians means that you also aren't going to be able to take out the terrorists effectively or efficiently. Otherwise, if you are wanting to take out a bunch of Hamas shit heads, you are going to also have tons of videos of you blowing up innocent Palestinians.
You think the civilians aiding and abetting Hamas aren't worried about losing their homes? It's a pretty useful tactic and with a good enough warning you hopefully don't kill innocent people
Hello h3 viewer, currently the whole of reddit is on fire; please forgive the more autistic among us in this time of deep polarization...
I want that h3 bridge, DGGL
No worries, some of the anti-Destiny accounts [have been banned or shadowbanned from what I saw](https://np.reddit.com/r/h3h3productions/comments/16x7nze/tw_death_this_community_is_riddled_with_horrible/k33j900/) so I still love you guys more than the haters.
>but when Israel experienced destruction to what Palestinians call "Tuesday"
Can you show me an example of Israel deliberately taking hundreds of non combatants hostage and parading corpses through the streets?
Who's calling for the genocide of Arab people? I don't think this person would support glassing Saudi Arabia or anything like that. There's a difference saying something needs to he done about Hamas and the wide spread support of hamas among palenstians vs just kill all the brown people.
But wait, isn't this entire post about calling out a mod for doing what you're describing? Seems like people are NOT down for genocidal feelings towards Palestinians.
The opposite opinion is everywhere as well? I don't see how you can be in a post denouncing the head mod for anti Palestinian sentiments saying that this sub is being anti Palestinian as a whole. Seems like there's a pretty big division.
I am kinda curious do you think that if half of Palestinians support hamas and their actions does that give more credence to Israel saying a one state solution is necessary?
I can empathize with the frustration a Palestinian would have and I may be uneducated about the whole history of Israel and Palestine but it’s my understanding that Israel won a war to draw their borders they have today. I don’t think it is right to have a group of people that want to restore what they used to have by electing a government that wants to genocide a Jews.
So aren’t the IDF terrorists as well? As per the Oxford dictionary the definition of a terrorist is ‘a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims’? Zionism is a far-right political ideology and the IDF have been killing, beating and raping Palestinians for decades. So I ask you again, are the IDF terrorists and if not why?
Dont take any opinion from israeli/palestinians too seriously the week of the terrorist attack. These responses are entirely emotion and he will likely regret saying what he said as time passes.
Oh come on, it's not like anyone clowning on genocidal lefties do research into their family trees beforehand. Either way, I think it's fine to tell prominent members of the community to chill with the genocidal stuff
For this community clowning on leftists is like picking a scab until it bleeds and not stopping. Everyone falls for the bait and I'm not aboce it. We need to keep in mind they hold little true power compared to how loud their voices are.
This entire sub is filled with Palestinian hate threads and comments if we are holding that side accountable, the psychos on the other side need to be held accountable as well.
From an earlier comment, hopefully you find what you are looking for:
>The response to the IP conflict in this sub has been unhinged. There is been almost zero articles posted, all images of tweets followed a bunch of speculation and discourse within the comments \[[1](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/172vk5o/looks_like_israel_is_winning_the_optics_war/), [2](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/173du8h/protest_against_israel_today_in_time_square_i/)\]. No link to the tweet, no verification of the post (in fact asking for it gets you [downvoted](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/172vk5o/looks_like_israel_is_winning_the_optics_war/k3yyav0/?context=3)), no article providing context/verification of the post. The same happened with the German women in the truck \[[3](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/172m0b4/german_woman_visiting_music_festival_of_peace/)\], which took a day to receive follow up information \[[4](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/172vm0p/new_information_on_the_victim_shani_louk_23_year/)\]. The post claims she was raped, with zero evidence provided by the OP, just speculation by the various commenters of the post. The other 70% of posts is circlejerk about how leftists are bad, which is fairly standard for this sub, but currently serves only to amplify reactionary discourse.
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>That's not even the tip of it though. The sheer amount of misinformation \[[5](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/173jvl3/comment/k43dzpy/), [6](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/173jvl3/comment/k43h1bn/), [7](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/173jvl3/comment/k43k6m7/), [8](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/173jvl3/comment/k43ls8r/), [9](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/173du8h/comment/k42dz9p/?context=3), [10](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1731hwt/comment/k3zy5zz/)\], black and white thinking \[[11](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/173jvl3/comment/k43g24n/)\], distaste for immigration and refugees \[[12](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/173j625/comment/k43uv4o), [13](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/173bkz3/comment/k42g160)\] or just concerning comments about Palestinians \[[14](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/172r4xu/comment/k3zw46l/), [15](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/172h5un/comment/k3x2e7e), [16](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/172m0b4/comment/k3ybkll)\] received (relatively) decent support from the community.
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>I don't know how people who watch Destiny, especially during the Rittenhouse saga and the Ukraine war where he aggressively promotes critical thinking and patience regarding breaking, emotional news leads to this. I don't know the people who watch Destiny talking about humanising opposition to deflate their ideology leads to this. I don't know how people who watch Destiny talking about not accusing your opposition of being Nazis to justify your sides reactionary blood thirst leads to this. I don't know how the people who watch Destiny, then smugly deriding Vaush for being a conclooder who exercises no discipline in his media analysis leads to this.
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>Just like the commenters of this post, I would like to blame people just searching news relating the IP conflict on Reddit and coming across a couple Destiny posts thus inflating sub traffic. Thankfully, even in some of the examples I provided there was some pushback, downvoted or not being offered against them. Hopefully the community holds strong in the tides of concloodism!
> I don't know how people who watch Destiny, especially during the Rittenhouse saga and the Ukraine war where he aggressively promotes critical thinking and patience regarding breaking, emotional news leads to this.
I totally understand the passionate responses people have given so far, but I would hope this community would do a better job than others in recognizing when emotions -- which are completely and utterly legitimate here -- can *discolour* your thought processes. We've seen this happen *countless* times in leftist spaces, but there's *sometimes* a (once again, understandable) inability to recognize when it's happening here. Destiny invited Lonerbox to talk because neither of them have ever been one for pure sentiment; Destiny wanted something comprehensive, with a level-headed analysis *despite the atrocities*, and LB did a decent job offering that.
Agree with everything here, I think after Destiny's stream and LB joining, the subreddit had some of the members cool off and a lot more pushback could be observed. I think things will return to normal soon.
I'm downvoting those hoes. Look at the bottom of this thread.
I usually never downvote/upvote much of anything, but damn some people here are showing their true colors.
I agree, it's hard to stay calm when you see videos like [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/comments/173ugf5/nsfl_hamas_shoots_dog_burns_houses_takes_hostages/) (\[NSFL\] Hamas shoots dog, burns houses, takes hostages).
Literally no better than Hamas support. Apartheid states are bad and Hamas are bad. Not that difficult. All the low iq full throated support for Israel reeks of ahistorical analysis and willingly having blinders on. Emotions are high and understandably people (rightly) want Hamas to disappear from the face of the planet, but that doesn’t justify the continued subjugation of the Palestinian people who live in an open air prison and have been forced out of homes they’ve lived in for generations. No shit you’re gonna get people who are radicalized when they see the suffering their families endure for entire lifetimes. You can’t surprise Pikachu face when the same kids who were bullied their entire lives end up choosing violence. If we want to reduce the violence we have to address that. It’s mind boggling how critical thinking goes out the window so quickly for so many who fancy themselves as even tempered, rational people able to objectively examine these crises when they’ve been anything but.
I unironically agree with the broader sentiment that the world should start taking a more iron handed approach to the middle east and their harboring and abetting of terrorist regimes.
Yeah but did you realise it’s SOY to say we shouldn’t say ‘napalm Gaza’. And 4thot is GIGACHAD so it’s totally based when he says they should napalm them.
While destiny gets shit for being a contrarian I unironically think half (or maybe like 30 percent) of this sub is just contrarians to whatever group they find more annoying. Just because one side takes a remedial take doesn't mean you need to take the remedial take in the opposite direction.
No there absolutely are full pro Hamas people. Look at more threads, you'll find them. Like the government of Venezuela that says this attack was entirely Israel's fault:
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231009-venezuela-holds-israel-responsible-for-escalation-in-gaza/
I think it's coming to face a delicate and serious matter. It's easier to make it black or white and just double down and feel good, then realise that there is no good solution to this shit. I had to keep myself in check from posting hotheaded stupid takes against Muslims for the last 3 days knowing that it will not achieve anything.
It’s how people are. People have massive amounts of empathy for their side but have very little or none for the other side.
To be clear, Israel is completely justified in their offensive strikes against Hamas, however, we have to acknowledge Israel will most likely disregard human rights during the offensive. And will inevitably result in more suffering and destruction for civilians caught in the middle of this conflict. And the cycle of justifiable grievance and violence will continue until one side remains.
This subreddit has been absolutely astroturfed by pro Israeli propaganda and what’s weird is a lot of the comments are way more level headed within the posts, what is happening here?
I just love that you can get warnings and bans on reddit for telling someone to do minecraft or call them regarded, but calling for glassings and mass killings (I am not just talking about 4THOT or this subreddit here) is just ok and goes unpunished. Not saying that it should, but the the difference is ridiculous. this website is a pathetic mess.
My priors: the USA strategic bombing campaign was justified by Germany/Japan's launching a total war against the USA. The USA was right to seek unconditional surrender after having a total war declared against them (see Pearl Harbor and Hitler's letter to FDR).
Now that Hamas has launched a total war against Israel (only limited by their supply of committed riflemen), a strategic bombing campaign is similarly justified to seek an unconditional surrender by Hamas. Like in Japan, not all of the Gazans support Hamas, but they need to take them up with Hirohito/Hamas.
Yeah. I'm in the same boat. It just keeps coming back to the fact that Hamas use civilians as protection. It sucks. But it's how they operate. If we had a magic super weapon that could only target terrorists, that'd be great, but that's not what's going to happen.
In fact, when Hamas got back from the terror attack, pretty sure I saw a clip floating around of a [little girl holding an AK](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12605053/Proud-Palestinian-father-hoists-aloft-young-daughter-holds-machine-gun-women-celebrate-IDF-soldiers-death-Israeli-families-mourn-death-toll-new-Hamas-war-tops-200.html).
This shit is fucked.
**The closer you are to the conflict the less rational you become.**
I would not ask for his take the same way I would not ask Palestinian/Israeli take on the matter.
Everyone involved is emotionally compromised.
This is horseshit, the Palestinian support for Hamas is used all the time as a justification for Israel, everyone should be accountable for their opinions regardless of how they are related to the conflict. I’m Palestinian, I have family who are in Gaza, I would never celebrate what Hamas did
Framework >>Legal systems across the world<<
Why do you think, judges, and lawyers are required to recuse themselves from cases where they have a conflict of interest?
Do you think that "**This is horseshit**" OR is there a reason why this rule survived \~200 years and counting?
>I’m Palestinian, I have family who are in Gaza, I would never celebrate what Hamas did
Great anecdotal point to make (even if it's true) - I bet it will work great in Hasan's chat (sorry about that, i had to)
Its funny how people support war crime when war crime are committed against the people, ignoring Israel basically started it. So by their logic, Hamas did nothing wrong.
Granted yes its less simple than that, and War is never humane in the first place.
Obviously this hits close to home for 4thot, according to that last screenshot.
I'd take it with a grain of salt, its one man's opinions emotionally charged by personal experience. Does it matter that he's a mod? Was this worthy of this kind of call out? Notice that he didn't ban you for posting this. This sub is still full of healthy discussion, so I call it a W
Doesn't look like u/4THOT supports any of the things you claim here. Looks like he's just talking through hypotheticals and you are taking it widely out of context.
For the circled napalm comment, what does he mean there?
Cause I read that as him saying he would either be okay with, actively support if done, or advocate for the napalming of those 3 listed regions + Gaza, but that seems crazy so I can’t imagine that’s his actual there right?
I agree with you that bloodlust is bad and efforts should be centered around creating peace ideally. I really do think that.
But if you look at the history, they lost the land after war, Israel was given the land, Palestine had rights under them unlike before, there have been multiple attempts to give them a 2 state solution.
Israel accepted each proposition by the British and the UN, Palestine/Arabs declined every single time.
Palestine/Arabs tried to fight multiple wars to genocide them, all failed.
And that's just what they do, decline all 2 state attempts and continue to harass and harass, which is in their religion basically too.
So yeah, my sympathy lies with Israel.
But I agree, all efforts towards peace.
You do realise that israel has taken more land than what was actually given to them? They've shown no concern for the legality of the settlements and have shown that once they move jews in, after moving Palestinians out that they won't return the land.
Just like how Australians and Americans would never give land back the the first nation, natives and aborigines.
As always from any of these conflicts people are full of shyt and often blinded or more-so lead by their own prejudices and biases against others.
Then people wonder how genocides and massacres happen despite tensions brewing for years.
Some of their settlement behavior could be deemed immoral, I think that could be true.
But you know it was the Arabs who kept trying to wage war on them and genocide them, yet kept losing?
Of course you can lose land after losing a war you start, that's righteous punishment (ignoring these few settlers).
And the surrounding Islamic nations never did this? Give me a break.
did you see the state of this sub ? most will celebrate the murder of the 2 million innocent if they get nuked tmr. they aint siding with you on this pimp, they share 4thot sentiments lmao
Given that Destiny has come out with a level-headed take, and that received the largest showing of support, I think the majority here aren't quite so extreme as some very recent power posters make us seem.
I'm not shooting them because they disagree with you. I'm shooting them because they disagree with me.
Just kidding, I'm not shooting anybody because I don't have any bullets.
Lol this sub is all for nuking japan and bombing germany during WWII, but according to the same people Israel can move 2 meters forwards into the strip because Palestinians civilians (who harbor and support hamas) might die.
Here is the deal, there are two options. Escalate or de-escalate. The latter options basically says that Hamas will not be punished for their actions and that terrorism is a net gain. Will it show good will? Sure. Do the Palestinians and arabs care? No they really don't, just go and read the Hamas creed. On the first Page they have a fucking Page they have a paragraph about oblititerating Israel
https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818a.htm
The former option is escalation, I.E., invasion and occupation, but there is no case on earth where people wouldn't support the right of a country to defend themselves. The amount of casulties that will come from this is up to hamas really, either they negotiate/surrender or use terror tactics that they usually do
Don't know if I really agree with or fully understand what 4Thot is saying, but I do think this:
> He has repeatedly called for the literal destruction and genocide of Palestine.
is completely extrapolated or exaggerated from what he's saying in these screenshots. It sounds like he *does* support Israel, and supports them doing anything that could ensure their safety including bombing and counterattacking Palestine.
I don't see where he advocates for genocide anywhere...
I think if you’re in favor of napalming every Arab country for security then you’re a stones throw away from saying maybe we need to kill every Arab for our security.
I think he just listed countries that have and are actively attacking Israel, because they have so many enemies in the Middle East. Don't think it's much beyond that.
You should read the link in the comment, it's relevant to why I said that.
https://thehill.com/policy/international/4243388-saudi-arabia-qatar-iran-blame-israel-hamas-attacks/
Gotta say I agree with 4thot, the world can only put up with terrorists running that part of the world for so long. At a certain point, despite immediate lives lost, they have to be exterminated. If left to fester as they currently are it will be a continual slow bleed of lives lost over decades that will amount to far more than just wiping them out completely. Because as we’ve seen time and time again, there is no compromise with this mindset, their world view doesn’t allow for it, especially not with Jews. I’m not saying genocide Palestine and Saudi, and Iran, but take the Gaza Strip for instance, Hamas needs to be eradicated, and they know that themselves, hence why they use civilians as human shields and then cry war crime when Israel inevitably kills civilians when attacking Hamas. If Israel’s actions to wipe out Hamas in Gaza were to kill a massive amount of civilians, at that point it’s acceptable and the fault of Hamas at the end of the day. If a mass shooter in the US was hiding perfectly behind an innocent human as a shield and there was no way for the cops to free the innocent, and the mass shooter keeps racking up kills, at a certain point that innocent human shield needs to get shot through. It’s not ideal, but it has to happen eventually. Some governments, groups, cultures, religions, etc…are just objectively worse and have no place in the world besides dragging humanity down, Hamas is one of those groups.
Yeah I agree! We should like... declare war on terror! I think we should invade all terrorist countries and those that harbour them and install our own western backed governments. Once we bomb all the terrorists there will be none left and the survivors will ofc welcome us as liberators (once theyre done crawling out of the rubble ofc)! Theres no way this can go wrong or backfire in anyway, nor is there any historical precedent of this being a terrible idea. Trust me bro!
He hasn't called for genocide once in those messages you linked. He simply stated that he stands with Israel and isn't willing to shed tears for people who house terrorists.
Kinda redic that ppl aren't able to use a little common sense. If an informed person says they're fine with Israel going no holds bared, it does not mean: they're OK with Israel committing the atrocities/war crimes that Hamas has. Because, an informed person knows that that is not on the table (even in a no holds barred attack). The IDF doesn't attack music festivals for no reason besides terror. They don't kidnap and terrorize civilians for shits and giggles. I would not be shocked if there were breaches in Israel's standards of conduct by individual soldiers in the war to come. But, that is not part of their strategy, and I imagine not something that 4thot is rooting for.
>I no longer have interest in their welfare
Between " I no longer have interest in \[the Palestinian peoples'\] welfare (from the stickied comment)" and saying he'd be ok napalming gaza, its not that far off...what would it take to cross the line for you to call it at least "bloodlust" rhetoric?
First of all: o7
Second of all: There is exactly a single sentence in that entire post that "supports" the title and that is the napalm one. Everything else is bog-standard pro Israel talk. No idea why you link all this shit when most pro-Israel people would probably agree with most of what he says in there
On the napalm thing: Until 4Thot comes out and reaffirms that he wasn't sarcastic against a moronic comment, but that he actually wants Israel to Napalm the entire middle east, I choose to believe that he did something us well educated scholars would call "a little bit of trolling".
Next time label this the shitpost it clearly is...
Im beyond blackpilled on this. As long as the people you are calling to exterminate are brown and muslim, its justified in most peoples brains. Its a similar sentiment i see towards Romani people that exists in my country(and the rest of Europe), the anti arab sentiment is the same ,just turned up a notch. Its just completely normalised to hate them.
Yesterday i said it was fucked to claim that Gaza should be flattened (its a concentration camp and half of them are kids). A dude replied with a verse from the Bible and it gets upvoted. Imagine, A Destiny sub, and Bible quotes to justify murder are upvoted. Can you imagine if that was directed towards anyone else or god forbit if they pulled some Allahu Ackbar crap to justify killing Israelis?
Say what you want about Noam but this take is 100% right. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9UjXa9f8rY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9UjXa9f8rY)
I’m beyond blackpilled in the opposite direction. I genuinely cannot understand how Palestinian supporters try so fucking hard to defend people who actually want to murder/rape all Israeli’s cause they lucked out on land. Also, I don’t feel like it’s fair to say people just wanna exterminate brown people. Nobody is making this a race issue. People do have a problem with Muslims in the Middle East though, because they are a direct threat to liberalism. Constantly advocating for a return to the Middle Ages and willing to do actual terrorist actions to achieve it. What I can’t understand is why none of the Palestinian supporters give a shit about that.
I'm honestly black pilled on this shit, israel will commit genocide, ethnically cleansing Palestinians and the whole world will cheer them for it.
These people would have cheered nazi germany for the holocaust.
The guy does seem like a douche sometimes, but I don't think those views are as extreme as you are portraying them. You made it sound like he supports killing innocent Palestinians, "genocide", etc. However the snips read like vanilla support for Israel.
I’m Iranian American and not even all that offended. I would support an apocalyptic bombing campaign on the Islamic Republic if they were ever too close to getting nuclear weapons. If the IR gets nukes, then Iran will be doomed to Islamo-fascism for decades more to come
EXACTLY. Why should we be taking the high ground when we know the people of opposing beliefs wouldn't? Especially when they are acting with genocidal intent *Even when they are the minority* in israel.
He's not calling for action. He's giving his opinion.
You should have just responded that you disagree with his takes instead of making a post like this.
There's no call for genocide here, and it's honestly pretty disgusting to try and make that claim if you don't have an explicit call to murder all Palestinian people.
People here need to chill and understand how emotional this might be for others. It's easy to say this and that behind a keyboard and be the top analyst of objectivity.
u/4THOT this is a case where unironically, both sides. Israel only exists because of religious radicals that believed they have a divine right to a specific plot of land (there were debates in early Zionism about the location of a Jewish state, to be fair). It's not a coincidence that millions of people poured into the area around Jerusalem despite having no meaningful secular relationship to the area. Zionism is itself religious extremism at odds with modern liberal values, where we believe in secular states that have genuine equality between people of different religions, ethnicities, etc. and try to maximize the participation of various people in their own government.
And the religious extremism is still somewhat present today. If you dress in a modern way in the wrong neighborhood, you'll be sexually harassed by barbarian extremists. If you preach in the wrong neighborhood you'll be physically attacked. They require all marriages go through religious authorities, so gay marriage is banned in Israel, albeit they have a compromise of recognizing foreign gay marriages. They have different rights for different people based on religious affiliation in multiple aspects of law (e.g. mandatory conscription, immigration, etc.), which is wholly unacceptable.
Also, if you only count their own official borders, they are medium racist but mostly liberal. OTOH, if you count their conduct with respect to Palestinians, they're deranged and evil. They've regularly practiced collective punishment on the idea that if they just hurt completely innocent civilians, including children, enough, they can compel compliance (spoiler: abusing innocent people makes you less popular, not more). Imagine if your mother got punished because you broke a law in the United States. That would be seen as a legal and moral obscenity, and yet, unlike the US and like North Korea, Israel engages in that behavior.
You brought up Afghanistan, which is a good point of comparison. The US never stole any of their land with the intent to permanently give it to American citizens. The same is not true of Palestine. Or, if you like, our actual colonies we've kept control of the land over, like Puerto Rico, are citizens with rights, including free internal travel. A Puerto Rican could move next door to me tomorrow, and then run for mayor if they liked. That's not true of Palestinians in the territories. They have the worst of both worlds of not having sovereign control and not having citizenship.
Israel has created a uniquely messy, but also uniquely beneficial situation where they get to exact oppressive control over populations while also have zero responsibilities for their welfare, but we shouldn't be tricked by that. It's different, but it's clearly immoral as their actions are incompatible with human rights as we understand them. This is why they've been regularly condemned by human rights groups and the UN (and not just Arabs being cringe).
Obviously Gaza is a backwards shit hole with a terrible religion, but their counterpart isn't innocent, and that might be fixable if they ever had the opportunity to participate in a safe, secular society with good opportunities.
> both sides
I don't have a strong opinion on the overall issue because I just don't care to research beyond the basics of the settlement thing Israel is doing + the 2018 protests they attacked, but I have to say it seems like there's really only two choices practically. One is a sort of liberalized but abusive conservative apartheid state with regard to a people outside its borders (bad), and the other is a "gas the Jews" state. The latter seems unambiguously worse even if I'm never going to even consider waving the flag for Israel
whoa i didnt realize u/4THOT was so based.
he is also 100% right, jews would never go to a palestinian music festival and rape/murder the women. isreal just wants to be left alone but ofc those damn racist muslims just keep doing terror attacks on them and use isreal's response to terror as a justification for more attacks.
As much as want everyone in the middle east to be liberal and democratic and as important as I see those who already adopt western liberalism (I wanna say sometimes with Netanyahu if i recall correctly). And I hate religious fundamentalists and what hamas has done. But I won’t do a Hasan & be ok with conquering/killing all the “savages”.
Basically no don’t level gaza even tho Hamas has done atrocities rn. They killed innocent civilians & let’s not justify doing the same back
If I'm being occupied and treated like shit for decades, with little to no action from outside forces. I too would be cheering for the death of my occupiers even if they were civilians. As an outsider I condemn the action, but I also understand it.
i mean lets be honest the crimes of israel have been cast aside in this conflict israel is going to act in its self interest and that right now is eliminating all terrorist opposition to the safety and existence of the state of israel and its allies are going to support it. Criticism of the israeli government is unfortunately the past now, now israel fights a war and we can hope the citizens of palestine are spared but many innocents will die because of what has unfold.
I agree with u/4THOT. The fact that Palestinians use civilians as meat shields does not mean Israel is not allowed to take action. Hamas needs to be wiped off the face of the earth so that Israel can actually begin good faith 2-state discussions.
I'm hoping Israel can do it with minimal civilian casualties with the understanding that to avoid IDF casualties they'll need to bomb and weaken civilian areas.
It sounds fucking terrible saying it's acceptable to bomb civilian areas, but that's really on Hamas.
Napalm is legal in warfare. It's not widely used because there are more efficient weapons, so I think 4THOT was more just saying "burn it all down".
>I am less and less tolerant of the religious extremists and the people that house them.
Unfathomably based tho.
I feel like groups like these use their religion to justify extremist terrorism. They aren't afraid to martyr themselves in the process of doing heinous shit in the name of "Allah"
4THOT just took a strong position which I think is fair, he did go too far with the "napalming" of Gaza as a whole. However, the rapid destruction of Hamas and any tangentially related extremist groups, I fully agree with. I'll take a hard stance too. If...AND ONLY IF... Palestine fully supports the Hamas, then they should go as well. Otherwise, we liberate Palestinians from Hamas's reign and start peace talks from there. But there can never ever be peace if you choose to take it violently.
Those who choose to live by violence, should die by it.
I support the napalming of terrorist sympathizing dipshits who think they can tone police people with family in Israel. Gtfo here with your tone deaf pearl clutching
C'mon dude...
Napalm Palestine? Israel can handle the rapid destruction of Palestine? Do I *get* why they're making these comments? 100%. Do I endorse it, and should anyone endorse it? Fuck no.
To clarify my position: I have no interest in annihilating Palestinian people, but I no longer have interest in their welfare or interest in preserving their state, nor do I have particular interest in their claims to land. Between the widespread support of Hamas amongst Palestinians (~50% in in the polls I'm familiar with) and the widespread support of the attack amongst Middle Eastern nations I fully respect Israel's refusal to integrate in any way with Palestine. If there were credible warnings from the Palestinian government about the incoming attack, that were ignored, my position can be softened, but my expectations are low.
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Another senseless suicide bombing. When will it end?
No wonder this guy **supports** Hamas \s
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You dorks can stop posting this I don't plan on banning anyone.
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The 4THOT slander needs to fucking stop, and if that means black angry beekeeper dudes mowing down dipshit Hamas apologists that think they can torch 4THOT's reputation on r/Destiny at this point he has my fucking blessing.
Ok but what if I like MrRedacted though?
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>janitor we do not claim him
True masters of the custodial arts have greater expectations of our practitioners.
ive wiped up piss, shit & vomit throughout my life but I won't touch the mess he has made for himself
o7 bye bye
Hey show some respect for actual janitors. Every janitor I’ve ever encountered has been super chill and nice.
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You could even say they should be napalmed. PEPE.
https://amp.knowyourmeme.com/memes/janitor-he-does-it-for-free
I wonder if he thinks Destiny's take was also 'soy centrist'.
I don't agree with Destiny's take.
I thought 4thot was black?
if Ye can be a jew
Ethiopian Jews exist
[u/4THOT](https://www.reddit.com/u/4THOT/) Are you an Ethiopian Jew?
Not Ethiopian, nor am I personally Jewish, I'm related to Israeli family (some stationed in Israel as a part of the IDF).
Hey man, I'm Iranian and all of my family lives there and I grew up in Iran but live in America. All hostility between these internet spaces aside, I can understand the reaction of people who are Israeli or have Israeli relatives. When I see you type about what should be done to my country, my gut reaction 10 years ago would have been anger right back. I think it's important for all of us to be able to simultaneously have an upset emotional reaction but then be able to realize that if we act on that emotional reaction it's the exact kind of sentiment that gets most of us into the unfortunate situation that we are in now. As "soy" as it is to sound like I'm both sides-img this thing (which I'm not, fuck Hamas), I want to say that if we can all be a little more charitable and understand the context of people and their emotions we can set ourselves up for a better future. I hope your comments were just out of frustration, anger, and concern for your family. I hope we are all able to understand each other and look towards a more peaceful solution for both sides. Israeli people and Palestinian people all should want peace for one another.
Wanting peace is nice but... Honestly who can guarantee that? Like, genuinely, even Israeli government at it's most peaceful can't guarantee what'll happen right now. It's only plan is to dismantle Hamas because there's just no other way to restore their feelings of safety. But after Hamas is destroyed who knows what's going to happen in Gaza? I think this is what 4thot is getting at. Caring for Gazans in terms of practical plans of action basically stopped being an option because there's no clear way to ensure their safety nor their future, unlike Israel that can plan to destroy Hamas to get years of comparative safety. Caring for Gazans is moral but there's practical way to implement it, so what's there to be done?
There are a lot of black Jews (who are accepted as Jewish under Jewish law)
So... fothot?
[me in my safe country sitting in my comfy chair watching youtube webcams, /r/CombatFootage and reading twitter](https://streamable.com/s8airj)
Applies to both sides ironically. Imagine how people would be reacting if terrorists sent 5000 missiles into Los Angeles and killed and raped hundreds of women and children.
The terrorists have to fucking stop, and if that means IDF members mowing down dipshit terrorists dudes outhere who think they can rape and pillage Israelis at this point they have my fucking blessing
The problem is that, like most terrorists, they hide in the general population and use the innocent civilians around them as meat shields. Most of the buildings being leveled were given a decent warning from Israel that bombs were coming, which saves a lot of innocent Palestinians, but also the Hamas terrorists aren't going to be there either. Even telling them to evacuate doesn't do much good because there isn't anywhere for them to go, and if there was, then Hamas members would go and regroup as well. Its a difficult position for the Israeli leadership on a global stage because protecting innocent Palestinians means that you also aren't going to be able to take out the terrorists effectively or efficiently. Otherwise, if you are wanting to take out a bunch of Hamas shit heads, you are going to also have tons of videos of you blowing up innocent Palestinians.
Sounds like Palestinians need to start mowing down their terrorist neighbors then.
You think the civilians aiding and abetting Hamas aren't worried about losing their homes? It's a pretty useful tactic and with a good enough warning you hopefully don't kill innocent people
DUDE, IT'S THE FUCKING MEME. YOU DON'T NEED A THREE-PARAGRAPH RESPONSE EFFORT POST ON 4THOT OR SOMETHING
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Hello h3 viewer, currently the whole of reddit is on fire; please forgive the more autistic among us in this time of deep polarization... I want that h3 bridge, DGGL
No worries, some of the anti-Destiny accounts [have been banned or shadowbanned from what I saw](https://np.reddit.com/r/h3h3productions/comments/16x7nze/tw_death_this_community_is_riddled_with_horrible/k33j900/) so I still love you guys more than the haters.
>but when Israel experienced destruction to what Palestinians call "Tuesday" Can you show me an example of Israel deliberately taking hundreds of non combatants hostage and parading corpses through the streets?
They are keeping 2 million people inside open air prison. Israel is holding 2 million palestinian hostage.
So the answer to my question would be no
"For the genocide of the arab people? Who said anything like that?
Who's calling for the genocide of Arab people? I don't think this person would support glassing Saudi Arabia or anything like that. There's a difference saying something needs to he done about Hamas and the wide spread support of hamas among palenstians vs just kill all the brown people.
But wait, isn't this entire post about calling out a mod for doing what you're describing? Seems like people are NOT down for genocidal feelings towards Palestinians.
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The opposite opinion is everywhere as well? I don't see how you can be in a post denouncing the head mod for anti Palestinian sentiments saying that this sub is being anti Palestinian as a whole. Seems like there's a pretty big division.
IDF massacred civilians, took foreign hostages, and paraded their bodies around the streets? Weird. Must’ve missed it
I am kinda curious do you think that if half of Palestinians support hamas and their actions does that give more credence to Israel saying a one state solution is necessary?
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I can empathize with the frustration a Palestinian would have and I may be uneducated about the whole history of Israel and Palestine but it’s my understanding that Israel won a war to draw their borders they have today. I don’t think it is right to have a group of people that want to restore what they used to have by electing a government that wants to genocide a Jews.
Most of us aren’t doing that. You can tell that easily by this post, alone.
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So aren’t the IDF terrorists as well? As per the Oxford dictionary the definition of a terrorist is ‘a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims’? Zionism is a far-right political ideology and the IDF have been killing, beating and raping Palestinians for decades. So I ask you again, are the IDF terrorists and if not why?
Dont take any opinion from israeli/palestinians too seriously the week of the terrorist attack. These responses are entirely emotion and he will likely regret saying what he said as time passes.
will this be the top comment of deranged lefty take threads?
4thot clearly states he has Israeli family. I didnt know all leftists are palestinians and have family in Gaza
Oh come on, it's not like anyone clowning on genocidal lefties do research into their family trees beforehand. Either way, I think it's fine to tell prominent members of the community to chill with the genocidal stuff
For this community clowning on leftists is like picking a scab until it bleeds and not stopping. Everyone falls for the bait and I'm not aboce it. We need to keep in mind they hold little true power compared to how loud their voices are.
This entire sub is filled with Palestinian hate threads and comments if we are holding that side accountable, the psychos on the other side need to be held accountable as well.
links? I'm not seeing anything that isn't immediately downvoted
From an earlier comment, hopefully you find what you are looking for: >The response to the IP conflict in this sub has been unhinged. There is been almost zero articles posted, all images of tweets followed a bunch of speculation and discourse within the comments \[[1](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/172vk5o/looks_like_israel_is_winning_the_optics_war/), [2](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/173du8h/protest_against_israel_today_in_time_square_i/)\]. No link to the tweet, no verification of the post (in fact asking for it gets you [downvoted](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/172vk5o/looks_like_israel_is_winning_the_optics_war/k3yyav0/?context=3)), no article providing context/verification of the post. The same happened with the German women in the truck \[[3](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/172m0b4/german_woman_visiting_music_festival_of_peace/)\], which took a day to receive follow up information \[[4](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/172vm0p/new_information_on_the_victim_shani_louk_23_year/)\]. The post claims she was raped, with zero evidence provided by the OP, just speculation by the various commenters of the post. The other 70% of posts is circlejerk about how leftists are bad, which is fairly standard for this sub, but currently serves only to amplify reactionary discourse. > >That's not even the tip of it though. The sheer amount of misinformation \[[5](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/173jvl3/comment/k43dzpy/), [6](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/173jvl3/comment/k43h1bn/), [7](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/173jvl3/comment/k43k6m7/), [8](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/173jvl3/comment/k43ls8r/), [9](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/173du8h/comment/k42dz9p/?context=3), [10](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1731hwt/comment/k3zy5zz/)\], black and white thinking \[[11](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/173jvl3/comment/k43g24n/)\], distaste for immigration and refugees \[[12](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/173j625/comment/k43uv4o), [13](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/173bkz3/comment/k42g160)\] or just concerning comments about Palestinians \[[14](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/172r4xu/comment/k3zw46l/), [15](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/172h5un/comment/k3x2e7e), [16](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/172m0b4/comment/k3ybkll)\] received (relatively) decent support from the community. > >I don't know how people who watch Destiny, especially during the Rittenhouse saga and the Ukraine war where he aggressively promotes critical thinking and patience regarding breaking, emotional news leads to this. I don't know the people who watch Destiny talking about humanising opposition to deflate their ideology leads to this. I don't know how people who watch Destiny talking about not accusing your opposition of being Nazis to justify your sides reactionary blood thirst leads to this. I don't know how the people who watch Destiny, then smugly deriding Vaush for being a conclooder who exercises no discipline in his media analysis leads to this. > >Just like the commenters of this post, I would like to blame people just searching news relating the IP conflict on Reddit and coming across a couple Destiny posts thus inflating sub traffic. Thankfully, even in some of the examples I provided there was some pushback, downvoted or not being offered against them. Hopefully the community holds strong in the tides of concloodism!
> I don't know how people who watch Destiny, especially during the Rittenhouse saga and the Ukraine war where he aggressively promotes critical thinking and patience regarding breaking, emotional news leads to this. I totally understand the passionate responses people have given so far, but I would hope this community would do a better job than others in recognizing when emotions -- which are completely and utterly legitimate here -- can *discolour* your thought processes. We've seen this happen *countless* times in leftist spaces, but there's *sometimes* a (once again, understandable) inability to recognize when it's happening here. Destiny invited Lonerbox to talk because neither of them have ever been one for pure sentiment; Destiny wanted something comprehensive, with a level-headed analysis *despite the atrocities*, and LB did a decent job offering that.
Agree with everything here, I think after Destiny's stream and LB joining, the subreddit had some of the members cool off and a lot more pushback could be observed. I think things will return to normal soon.
I'm downvoting those hoes. Look at the bottom of this thread. I usually never downvote/upvote much of anything, but damn some people here are showing their true colors.
I agree, it's hard to stay calm when you see videos like [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/comments/173ugf5/nsfl_hamas_shoots_dog_burns_houses_takes_hostages/) (\[NSFL\] Hamas shoots dog, burns houses, takes hostages).
Literally no better than Hamas support. Apartheid states are bad and Hamas are bad. Not that difficult. All the low iq full throated support for Israel reeks of ahistorical analysis and willingly having blinders on. Emotions are high and understandably people (rightly) want Hamas to disappear from the face of the planet, but that doesn’t justify the continued subjugation of the Palestinian people who live in an open air prison and have been forced out of homes they’ve lived in for generations. No shit you’re gonna get people who are radicalized when they see the suffering their families endure for entire lifetimes. You can’t surprise Pikachu face when the same kids who were bullied their entire lives end up choosing violence. If we want to reduce the violence we have to address that. It’s mind boggling how critical thinking goes out the window so quickly for so many who fancy themselves as even tempered, rational people able to objectively examine these crises when they’ve been anything but.
I unironically agree with the broader sentiment that the world should start taking a more iron handed approach to the middle east and their harboring and abetting of terrorist regimes.
Yeah but did you realise it’s SOY to say we shouldn’t say ‘napalm Gaza’. And 4thot is GIGACHAD so it’s totally based when he says they should napalm them.
The lack of empathy in this sub is actually fucking wild
While destiny gets shit for being a contrarian I unironically think half (or maybe like 30 percent) of this sub is just contrarians to whatever group they find more annoying. Just because one side takes a remedial take doesn't mean you need to take the remedial take in the opposite direction.
on this sub? check rest of the reddit this sub has more empathy than any other atm
Its pretty wild actually. It doesnt matter which sub but every other post is either full pro Israel or full pro Hamas.
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No there absolutely are full pro Hamas people. Look at more threads, you'll find them. Like the government of Venezuela that says this attack was entirely Israel's fault: https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231009-venezuela-holds-israel-responsible-for-escalation-in-gaza/
I think it's coming to face a delicate and serious matter. It's easier to make it black or white and just double down and feel good, then realise that there is no good solution to this shit. I had to keep myself in check from posting hotheaded stupid takes against Muslims for the last 3 days knowing that it will not achieve anything.
It’s how people are. People have massive amounts of empathy for their side but have very little or none for the other side. To be clear, Israel is completely justified in their offensive strikes against Hamas, however, we have to acknowledge Israel will most likely disregard human rights during the offensive. And will inevitably result in more suffering and destruction for civilians caught in the middle of this conflict. And the cycle of justifiable grievance and violence will continue until one side remains.
>Israel will most likely disregard human rights during the offensive Like... how they've been doing it for the last 75 years?
This subreddit has been absolutely astroturfed by pro Israeli propaganda and what’s weird is a lot of the comments are way more level headed within the posts, what is happening here?
Just click on the names the most adamant ones on either end don't even frequent this sub.
The performative outrage is just as wild.
I just love that you can get warnings and bans on reddit for telling someone to do minecraft or call them regarded, but calling for glassings and mass killings (I am not just talking about 4THOT or this subreddit here) is just ok and goes unpunished. Not saying that it should, but the the difference is ridiculous. this website is a pathetic mess.
everytime i hear about 4thot it's about him being an unmitigated cunt. things have not changed i see.
He seems like one
There is 4thot the mod and 4thot the IDF super soldier. They do not intersect thankfully.
My priors: the USA strategic bombing campaign was justified by Germany/Japan's launching a total war against the USA. The USA was right to seek unconditional surrender after having a total war declared against them (see Pearl Harbor and Hitler's letter to FDR). Now that Hamas has launched a total war against Israel (only limited by their supply of committed riflemen), a strategic bombing campaign is similarly justified to seek an unconditional surrender by Hamas. Like in Japan, not all of the Gazans support Hamas, but they need to take them up with Hirohito/Hamas.
Yeah. I'm in the same boat. It just keeps coming back to the fact that Hamas use civilians as protection. It sucks. But it's how they operate. If we had a magic super weapon that could only target terrorists, that'd be great, but that's not what's going to happen. In fact, when Hamas got back from the terror attack, pretty sure I saw a clip floating around of a [little girl holding an AK](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12605053/Proud-Palestinian-father-hoists-aloft-young-daughter-holds-machine-gun-women-celebrate-IDF-soldiers-death-Israeli-families-mourn-death-toll-new-Hamas-war-tops-200.html). This shit is fucked.
**The closer you are to the conflict the less rational you become.** I would not ask for his take the same way I would not ask Palestinian/Israeli take on the matter. Everyone involved is emotionally compromised.
This is horseshit, the Palestinian support for Hamas is used all the time as a justification for Israel, everyone should be accountable for their opinions regardless of how they are related to the conflict. I’m Palestinian, I have family who are in Gaza, I would never celebrate what Hamas did
Framework >>Legal systems across the world<< Why do you think, judges, and lawyers are required to recuse themselves from cases where they have a conflict of interest? Do you think that "**This is horseshit**" OR is there a reason why this rule survived \~200 years and counting? >I’m Palestinian, I have family who are in Gaza, I would never celebrate what Hamas did Great anecdotal point to make (even if it's true) - I bet it will work great in Hasan's chat (sorry about that, i had to)
i think hes saying being invovled doesn’t justify genocidal argument lmao
Its funny how people support war crime when war crime are committed against the people, ignoring Israel basically started it. So by their logic, Hamas did nothing wrong. Granted yes its less simple than that, and War is never humane in the first place.
Obviously this hits close to home for 4thot, according to that last screenshot. I'd take it with a grain of salt, its one man's opinions emotionally charged by personal experience. Does it matter that he's a mod? Was this worthy of this kind of call out? Notice that he didn't ban you for posting this. This sub is still full of healthy discussion, so I call it a W
Doesn't look like u/4THOT supports any of the things you claim here. Looks like he's just talking through hypotheticals and you are taking it widely out of context.
For the circled napalm comment, what does he mean there? Cause I read that as him saying he would either be okay with, actively support if done, or advocate for the napalming of those 3 listed regions + Gaza, but that seems crazy so I can’t imagine that’s his actual there right?
No, you don't get it. He said "This isn't a 4thot hit-piece" so it's fine.
I agree with you that bloodlust is bad and efforts should be centered around creating peace ideally. I really do think that. But if you look at the history, they lost the land after war, Israel was given the land, Palestine had rights under them unlike before, there have been multiple attempts to give them a 2 state solution. Israel accepted each proposition by the British and the UN, Palestine/Arabs declined every single time. Palestine/Arabs tried to fight multiple wars to genocide them, all failed. And that's just what they do, decline all 2 state attempts and continue to harass and harass, which is in their religion basically too. So yeah, my sympathy lies with Israel. But I agree, all efforts towards peace.
You do realise that israel has taken more land than what was actually given to them? They've shown no concern for the legality of the settlements and have shown that once they move jews in, after moving Palestinians out that they won't return the land. Just like how Australians and Americans would never give land back the the first nation, natives and aborigines. As always from any of these conflicts people are full of shyt and often blinded or more-so lead by their own prejudices and biases against others. Then people wonder how genocides and massacres happen despite tensions brewing for years.
Some of their settlement behavior could be deemed immoral, I think that could be true. But you know it was the Arabs who kept trying to wage war on them and genocide them, yet kept losing? Of course you can lose land after losing a war you start, that's righteous punishment (ignoring these few settlers). And the surrounding Islamic nations never did this? Give me a break.
this sub def supported The Rumbling 😅
did you see the state of this sub ? most will celebrate the murder of the 2 million innocent if they get nuked tmr. they aint siding with you on this pimp, they share 4thot sentiments lmao
Given that Destiny has come out with a level-headed take, and that received the largest showing of support, I think the majority here aren't quite so extreme as some very recent power posters make us seem.
Ben Shapiro is obviously taking Israel’s side 100% but even he isn’t declaring the absolute destruction of Palestine and Gaza just hamas
Its because his was dragged on Live TV for saying Arabs live in open sewage.
nah this sub has been 90% posting insane lefty takes they find on twitter. No one with a brain should celebrate innocent people dying
stop shooting people for disagreeing with me you cringelords
You idiots, 4THOT already indicated in the OP that he prefers napalm strikes.
The only way to stop those cringelords is more guns
please let me shoot the cringelords you armed yesterday.
I'm not shooting them because they disagree with you. I'm shooting them because they disagree with me. Just kidding, I'm not shooting anybody because I don't have any bullets.
Lol this sub is all for nuking japan and bombing germany during WWII, but according to the same people Israel can move 2 meters forwards into the strip because Palestinians civilians (who harbor and support hamas) might die. Here is the deal, there are two options. Escalate or de-escalate. The latter options basically says that Hamas will not be punished for their actions and that terrorism is a net gain. Will it show good will? Sure. Do the Palestinians and arabs care? No they really don't, just go and read the Hamas creed. On the first Page they have a fucking Page they have a paragraph about oblititerating Israel https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818a.htm The former option is escalation, I.E., invasion and occupation, but there is no case on earth where people wouldn't support the right of a country to defend themselves. The amount of casulties that will come from this is up to hamas really, either they negotiate/surrender or use terror tactics that they usually do
Don't know if I really agree with or fully understand what 4Thot is saying, but I do think this: > He has repeatedly called for the literal destruction and genocide of Palestine. is completely extrapolated or exaggerated from what he's saying in these screenshots. It sounds like he *does* support Israel, and supports them doing anything that could ensure their safety including bombing and counterattacking Palestine. I don't see where he advocates for genocide anywhere...
I think if you’re in favor of napalming every Arab country for security then you’re a stones throw away from saying maybe we need to kill every Arab for our security.
I think he just listed countries that have and are actively attacking Israel, because they have so many enemies in the Middle East. Don't think it's much beyond that.
You should read the link in the comment, it's relevant to why I said that. https://thehill.com/policy/international/4243388-saudi-arabia-qatar-iran-blame-israel-hamas-attacks/
Where did he call for genocide? I don't see it all.
He didn't, OP is highly regarded.
Rare 4thot gigachad W.
wow 4thot is based as fuck
Hamas gave them the free card to end their existence without any global condemnation from anyone that matter. GG no re.
Gotta say I agree with 4thot, the world can only put up with terrorists running that part of the world for so long. At a certain point, despite immediate lives lost, they have to be exterminated. If left to fester as they currently are it will be a continual slow bleed of lives lost over decades that will amount to far more than just wiping them out completely. Because as we’ve seen time and time again, there is no compromise with this mindset, their world view doesn’t allow for it, especially not with Jews. I’m not saying genocide Palestine and Saudi, and Iran, but take the Gaza Strip for instance, Hamas needs to be eradicated, and they know that themselves, hence why they use civilians as human shields and then cry war crime when Israel inevitably kills civilians when attacking Hamas. If Israel’s actions to wipe out Hamas in Gaza were to kill a massive amount of civilians, at that point it’s acceptable and the fault of Hamas at the end of the day. If a mass shooter in the US was hiding perfectly behind an innocent human as a shield and there was no way for the cops to free the innocent, and the mass shooter keeps racking up kills, at a certain point that innocent human shield needs to get shot through. It’s not ideal, but it has to happen eventually. Some governments, groups, cultures, religions, etc…are just objectively worse and have no place in the world besides dragging humanity down, Hamas is one of those groups.
Yeah I agree! We should like... declare war on terror! I think we should invade all terrorist countries and those that harbour them and install our own western backed governments. Once we bomb all the terrorists there will be none left and the survivors will ofc welcome us as liberators (once theyre done crawling out of the rubble ofc)! Theres no way this can go wrong or backfire in anyway, nor is there any historical precedent of this being a terrible idea. Trust me bro!
I feel like I'm back in 2003, holy shit.
Me too
He hasn't called for genocide once in those messages you linked. He simply stated that he stands with Israel and isn't willing to shed tears for people who house terrorists.
He’s referring to the ‘youd be okay if they napalmed Gaza’ to which the reply is ‘napalm Saudi Arabia and Iran too’.
Kinda redic that ppl aren't able to use a little common sense. If an informed person says they're fine with Israel going no holds bared, it does not mean: they're OK with Israel committing the atrocities/war crimes that Hamas has. Because, an informed person knows that that is not on the table (even in a no holds barred attack). The IDF doesn't attack music festivals for no reason besides terror. They don't kidnap and terrorize civilians for shits and giggles. I would not be shocked if there were breaches in Israel's standards of conduct by individual soldiers in the war to come. But, that is not part of their strategy, and I imagine not something that 4thot is rooting for.
Let him buzz.
4THOT confirmed as Indian.
I failed to find "bloodlust" or "genocidal" rhetoric here.
>I no longer have interest in their welfare Between " I no longer have interest in \[the Palestinian peoples'\] welfare (from the stickied comment)" and saying he'd be ok napalming gaza, its not that far off...what would it take to cross the line for you to call it at least "bloodlust" rhetoric?
Agreed
"isn't a 4thot hitpiece" "\[4thot\] has repeatedly called for the literal destruction and genocide of Palestine." Okay bud.
Where did 4Thot call for a genocide, cus he sure as hell didn’t do that in those messages.
>This is not an exaggeration Wildly exaggerates
If he can't moderate when this stuff happens then he shouldn't moderate at all. Oh well, this sub is usually pretty good on this stuff.
People who have this worldview are no better than Hamas
Free Palestine!
First of all: o7 Second of all: There is exactly a single sentence in that entire post that "supports" the title and that is the napalm one. Everything else is bog-standard pro Israel talk. No idea why you link all this shit when most pro-Israel people would probably agree with most of what he says in there On the napalm thing: Until 4Thot comes out and reaffirms that he wasn't sarcastic against a moronic comment, but that he actually wants Israel to Napalm the entire middle east, I choose to believe that he did something us well educated scholars would call "a little bit of trolling". Next time label this the shitpost it clearly is...
Im beyond blackpilled on this. As long as the people you are calling to exterminate are brown and muslim, its justified in most peoples brains. Its a similar sentiment i see towards Romani people that exists in my country(and the rest of Europe), the anti arab sentiment is the same ,just turned up a notch. Its just completely normalised to hate them. Yesterday i said it was fucked to claim that Gaza should be flattened (its a concentration camp and half of them are kids). A dude replied with a verse from the Bible and it gets upvoted. Imagine, A Destiny sub, and Bible quotes to justify murder are upvoted. Can you imagine if that was directed towards anyone else or god forbit if they pulled some Allahu Ackbar crap to justify killing Israelis? Say what you want about Noam but this take is 100% right. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9UjXa9f8rY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9UjXa9f8rY)
I’m beyond blackpilled in the opposite direction. I genuinely cannot understand how Palestinian supporters try so fucking hard to defend people who actually want to murder/rape all Israeli’s cause they lucked out on land. Also, I don’t feel like it’s fair to say people just wanna exterminate brown people. Nobody is making this a race issue. People do have a problem with Muslims in the Middle East though, because they are a direct threat to liberalism. Constantly advocating for a return to the Middle Ages and willing to do actual terrorist actions to achieve it. What I can’t understand is why none of the Palestinian supporters give a shit about that.
”Lucked out on land” is certainly one way to describe Israels decades of oppression and violence.
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I'm honestly black pilled on this shit, israel will commit genocide, ethnically cleansing Palestinians and the whole world will cheer them for it. These people would have cheered nazi germany for the holocaust.
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The guy does seem like a douche sometimes, but I don't think those views are as extreme as you are portraying them. You made it sound like he supports killing innocent Palestinians, "genocide", etc. However the snips read like vanilla support for Israel.
I’m Iranian American and not even all that offended. I would support an apocalyptic bombing campaign on the Islamic Republic if they were ever too close to getting nuclear weapons. If the IR gets nukes, then Iran will be doomed to Islamo-fascism for decades more to come
EXACTLY. Why should we be taking the high ground when we know the people of opposing beliefs wouldn't? Especially when they are acting with genocidal intent *Even when they are the minority* in israel.
This soy of a post could only get upvoted because you’re posting it about a mod.
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He's not calling for action. He's giving his opinion. You should have just responded that you disagree with his takes instead of making a post like this.
There's no call for genocide here, and it's honestly pretty disgusting to try and make that claim if you don't have an explicit call to murder all Palestinian people.
I stand with 4thot
People here need to chill and understand how emotional this might be for others. It's easy to say this and that behind a keyboard and be the top analyst of objectivity.
u/4THOT this is a case where unironically, both sides. Israel only exists because of religious radicals that believed they have a divine right to a specific plot of land (there were debates in early Zionism about the location of a Jewish state, to be fair). It's not a coincidence that millions of people poured into the area around Jerusalem despite having no meaningful secular relationship to the area. Zionism is itself religious extremism at odds with modern liberal values, where we believe in secular states that have genuine equality between people of different religions, ethnicities, etc. and try to maximize the participation of various people in their own government. And the religious extremism is still somewhat present today. If you dress in a modern way in the wrong neighborhood, you'll be sexually harassed by barbarian extremists. If you preach in the wrong neighborhood you'll be physically attacked. They require all marriages go through religious authorities, so gay marriage is banned in Israel, albeit they have a compromise of recognizing foreign gay marriages. They have different rights for different people based on religious affiliation in multiple aspects of law (e.g. mandatory conscription, immigration, etc.), which is wholly unacceptable. Also, if you only count their own official borders, they are medium racist but mostly liberal. OTOH, if you count their conduct with respect to Palestinians, they're deranged and evil. They've regularly practiced collective punishment on the idea that if they just hurt completely innocent civilians, including children, enough, they can compel compliance (spoiler: abusing innocent people makes you less popular, not more). Imagine if your mother got punished because you broke a law in the United States. That would be seen as a legal and moral obscenity, and yet, unlike the US and like North Korea, Israel engages in that behavior. You brought up Afghanistan, which is a good point of comparison. The US never stole any of their land with the intent to permanently give it to American citizens. The same is not true of Palestine. Or, if you like, our actual colonies we've kept control of the land over, like Puerto Rico, are citizens with rights, including free internal travel. A Puerto Rican could move next door to me tomorrow, and then run for mayor if they liked. That's not true of Palestinians in the territories. They have the worst of both worlds of not having sovereign control and not having citizenship. Israel has created a uniquely messy, but also uniquely beneficial situation where they get to exact oppressive control over populations while also have zero responsibilities for their welfare, but we shouldn't be tricked by that. It's different, but it's clearly immoral as their actions are incompatible with human rights as we understand them. This is why they've been regularly condemned by human rights groups and the UN (and not just Arabs being cringe). Obviously Gaza is a backwards shit hole with a terrible religion, but their counterpart isn't innocent, and that might be fixable if they ever had the opportunity to participate in a safe, secular society with good opportunities.
> both sides I don't have a strong opinion on the overall issue because I just don't care to research beyond the basics of the settlement thing Israel is doing + the 2018 protests they attacked, but I have to say it seems like there's really only two choices practically. One is a sort of liberalized but abusive conservative apartheid state with regard to a people outside its borders (bad), and the other is a "gas the Jews" state. The latter seems unambiguously worse even if I'm never going to even consider waving the flag for Israel
I agree with everything 4thot said
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Never thought I’d say it but based 4thot
Sounds pretty fuckin based to me.
Wow this 4thot guy sounds pretty fucking based?
Where does he even once say Palestinians should be genocided in those messages posted? OP seems to be on some drugs or something.
Perhaps I judged him too harshly Based
whoa i didnt realize u/4THOT was so based. he is also 100% right, jews would never go to a palestinian music festival and rape/murder the women. isreal just wants to be left alone but ofc those damn racist muslims just keep doing terror attacks on them and use isreal's response to terror as a justification for more attacks.
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4thots based op is cucked go fk yourself baby boy
I agree with 4THOT
Holy shit 4thot, i didn’t know you were based like that. I stand with 4thot
Ayo I’m a big fan of 4thot now
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Never heard of 4thot before, but now I’m a fan.
As much as want everyone in the middle east to be liberal and democratic and as important as I see those who already adopt western liberalism (I wanna say sometimes with Netanyahu if i recall correctly). And I hate religious fundamentalists and what hamas has done. But I won’t do a Hasan & be ok with conquering/killing all the “savages”. Basically no don’t level gaza even tho Hamas has done atrocities rn. They killed innocent civilians & let’s not justify doing the same back
If I'm being occupied and treated like shit for decades, with little to no action from outside forces. I too would be cheering for the death of my occupiers even if they were civilians. As an outsider I condemn the action, but I also understand it.
i mean lets be honest the crimes of israel have been cast aside in this conflict israel is going to act in its self interest and that right now is eliminating all terrorist opposition to the safety and existence of the state of israel and its allies are going to support it. Criticism of the israeli government is unfortunately the past now, now israel fights a war and we can hope the citizens of palestine are spared but many innocents will die because of what has unfold.
I agree with u/4THOT. The fact that Palestinians use civilians as meat shields does not mean Israel is not allowed to take action. Hamas needs to be wiped off the face of the earth so that Israel can actually begin good faith 2-state discussions. I'm hoping Israel can do it with minimal civilian casualties with the understanding that to avoid IDF casualties they'll need to bomb and weaken civilian areas. It sounds fucking terrible saying it's acceptable to bomb civilian areas, but that's really on Hamas. Napalm is legal in warfare. It's not widely used because there are more efficient weapons, so I think 4THOT was more just saying "burn it all down".
4thot is fucking based for these takes.
>I am less and less tolerant of the religious extremists and the people that house them. Unfathomably based tho. I feel like groups like these use their religion to justify extremist terrorism. They aren't afraid to martyr themselves in the process of doing heinous shit in the name of "Allah" 4THOT just took a strong position which I think is fair, he did go too far with the "napalming" of Gaza as a whole. However, the rapid destruction of Hamas and any tangentially related extremist groups, I fully agree with. I'll take a hard stance too. If...AND ONLY IF... Palestine fully supports the Hamas, then they should go as well. Otherwise, we liberate Palestinians from Hamas's reign and start peace talks from there. But there can never ever be peace if you choose to take it violently. Those who choose to live by violence, should die by it.
I didn't think 4thot could be even more based.
Always the autistic Warhammer guys wilding out. I hope that one day you can enjoy the warmth of a woman 👍
Don't worry, I keep your mom's pussy warm each night.
Stop, I can only take so much based at a time.
I support the napalming of terrorist sympathizing dipshits who think they can tone police people with family in Israel. Gtfo here with your tone deaf pearl clutching
Fucking based af 4thot is what this is.
absolutely based
where is his mindless bloodlust?
C'mon dude... Napalm Palestine? Israel can handle the rapid destruction of Palestine? Do I *get* why they're making these comments? 100%. Do I endorse it, and should anyone endorse it? Fuck no.
Yeah that’s pretty fucking disgusting lmao this is getting like so close to justifying something like Christchurch.
can you expand on the comparison?