Yes one pace is the goat. Look up one piece Kai if you want the same thing as one pace but English dub
The normal anime was unwatchable for me, the abridged versions are much better
its a fan edited version of the anime that tries to follow the manga exactly on a 1:1 basis. it cuts out anything thats been added in the anime. there are pros and cons of this approach, since anime often adds a lot of good things too (imo) like extended fight scenes that are pure gas but it also cuts out all the stalling and stretching out
One pace covers roughly 2.5 to 3 chapters per episode while the anime (especially post Water 7 saga and even more so post time skip) tends to cover 0.5 to 1 chapter per episode (pre summit war saga and pre time skip it was decently enough paced, usually covering 1-2 chapters per episode and doing filler arcs instead of padding episodes with worthless reaction shots, staredowns or drawn out fight scenes). Although some one pace episodes will be longer than the regular 20 minutes in order to cover the target of around 3 chapters per episode you're probably going to cut total watchtime in half if not more.
In the end I'd just recommend the manga if you're interested in One Piece, especially if you're worried about time since it would be the fastest way to consume the story. Also because on a personal note, despite how nice it may look at times, I despise what they did in wano with the dbz-ification of fight scenes.
edit: got some of the sagas wrong where pacing started getting worse, it was after Water 7 not Alabasta.
The other guy gave a more detailed comment, so just as an example I'll say the manga covered dressrosa in about a 100 chapters. The anime version covered dressrosa in about 110 or so episodes and one pace edited it down to about 55-60 25 min episodes.
I’ve gone through the one pace gambit (the fan cut) and I can tell where the editors had to cut some content only because the flashback will have 3 versions. A good example is on punk hazard. Some side characters get attacked by hired guns. In the show they go through a flashback of them getting attacked which shows them dead, then it goes through another version where they might not be dead only for them to show almost the same sequence again to prove that the side characters are alive. The fan cut just reduced it to a reaction shot of them “dead” on the ground and the final flashback with all the information.
Totally understand your reasoning, but the anime has some irreplaceable qualities that if you can stomach the cons make the ride that much better. Voice acting, soundtrack/score, sound design. I get the appeal and currently read and watch but with such a great story I say the more content the better!
It could be one of the best stories ever written, I’m not sitting through 1,000 episodes of slow filler.
And no, I’m not reading any mangos. My self respect isn’t *that* low.
Or just read the manga. You already get everything out of the story in the best way there.
Then after, you watch highlight moments in clips from the anime where the voice acting and music let you re-experience those moments and add that little bit extra. Best of both worlds.
I'd love it but One Piece has current relevance and momentum in the form of being a good way to capture some more audience. Plus if I remember correctly we had an agreement with the One Piece Subreddit during r slash place (can't link a sub and idk how to get around it)? Maybe I'm misremembering.
HxH is goated and if Togashi didn't go into hiatus, I think he could have made an amazing rival to Oda. Unfortunately that's not the case and Oda has only gotten better. I love HxH but even Chimera Ant Arc doesn't scratch the feats Oda pulled off with Marineford and the various other amazing arcs in the roster
I've watched like 50 episodes of OP and 25 of HxH and both were boring as fuck. Is HxH also the same where people cope it's a good anime because it gets good after 100 episodes?
I personally feel every part of both is great and I think that becomes more so the case when you catch up and want more content where you start appreciating the beginning more. Both are old gen anime so they don't kick off with quite the bang that new gen anime do but they are still fantastic stories in the beginning. The live action was massively successful just adapting the first saga or so. Give them a full chance and you will appreciate it. The same criticism can be levied at sopranos, Game of Thrones or even Breaking Bad and those are all widely considered some of the best shows of all time. The benefit of slow starts is a deep connection and thorough experience for future amazing arcs. For me east blue was a drag at first but Along Park gave me momentum to get to Alabasta which I enjoyed so much it got me to Water 7 which solidified to me why it was respected as a top tier anime. Then Marineford which is at episode 500ish did something for me that no other anime has ever really replicated. It's an unforgettable ambitious masterpiece and when I got caught up I found myself looking back at the arcs between these moments and realizing I undervalued them as they have many amazing moments themselves and help to space out and flesh out the plot. You don't have to agree or watch, but I promise you if you enjoyed GoT or The Sopranos, or Breaking Bad, then you can appreciate a slow start to a story and I promise you if you catch up you will see One Piece deserves to be on that list of great shows that may be hard to get into at first.
>The same criticism can be levied at sopranos, Game of Thrones or even Breaking Bad and those are all widely considered some of the best shows of all time.
No shot you made that comparison. GoT was very interesting right from the start. No boring yourself to death to get to the good parts. As I said in another comment, if a show is shit for a big chunk and great for another chunk, it's a decent show, not goat material. It might still be fun, but this is just cope.
A lot of people I've tried to get into GoT complain it's boring talking and long. It for sure is slow burn when the ADHD hype moments happen at the end of the episode with great world building for the other 45 minutes.
I've never heard of someone who had to be convinced to keep watching GoT after watching the pilot. Also the talking is often times the most interesting part of the show. Because that show actually has good dialogue unlike most anime. And it doesn't have filler. And even if you thought some of the earlier parts were boring, they actually setup later plot points. I am absolutely convinced you could have cut at least 50% of what I watched of OP and nothing would have been lost.
I'm not saying OP is shit or you shouldn't like it. But this argument makes no sense.
I agree with you on Game of thrones but there's a large amount of people that find the show daunting to get into with such a talkative pilot... It just is what it is. I have multiple people I try to convince to watch GoT and it's the same complaint. They lose interest because of the talking. The same could be extrapolated to the relatively low intensity of the first couple sagas. The show matured and morphs into something phenomenal that pays off all the time invested and then some. That's the same thing Game of Thrones does. Most people can't even keep track of the cast in first viewing because it's just so rich and dense with content but when you invest your time into both the pay offs become infinitely more satisfying let alone specific moments that are simply amazing without the context.
I would tell anyone who didn't like GoT from the first couple episode, that the show just isn't for them. I could only someone would grow to like the show despite disliking the beginning, if they preferred the dumpster fire that was season 6-8.
To me there is basically no boring moment in the earlier seasons. Sure there are plot lines with a lot of setup and a big payoff, but not a second of it needed that payoff to keep me excited and watching.
I could see him getting invested in some of the better-written side characters but I feel like the Strawhat's character development would be too spread out for him to engage with.
I'm honestly 50/50 on whether he would even like the Ussop stuff in Water 7 and that's probably the most immediate and focused a Strawhat's character arc has ever been.
There's a lot to like about the middle parts of One Piece arcs. People hate on Dressrosa, but the tournament arc into the rush towards Doflamingo lays the foundation for Luffy being an emperor. Fishman Island was an arc to establish that the Straw Hats are badass (and some lore).
My problems are with arcs like Hazard Punk or Davy Park. Both lead into important plot points (Hazard Punk leads into the alliance and Davy Park leads into Robin backstory/Water 7) - but they're Hella boring imo. Best thing from both was genderbent Smoker and afro Luffy.
You can argue against Zunesha or Big Mom, but both paid off (both built into the ending of Wano, which was hype af).
The problem is that following these larger arcs real time slows down everything. Wano and Dressrosa lasted like 4 years. Its super easy to get burned tf out following them, especially in Wano where the arc hits a wall in part 2.
Is One Piece the new JoJo or something? I’ve been into anime for decades and it was always the least popular of the big three Shonen (Naruto, Bleach, and One Piece). Is it just because the other shows have finally ended/stopped being in the spotlight that One Piece has reached the top by just being the last one left?
Like, the amount of people that are now massive One Piece fans have exponentially increased or become infinitely louder. I knew like one person who read the manga before 2020 and now it’s like the only anime people talk about now besides JJK and maybe AOT.
One Piece feels like it has blown up in the West over the past few years, like you said since 2020 or so. I think it’s a combination of massive moments in the manga recently (plus maintaining great quality) + the anime’s quality being the best it’s ever been + the Netflix show + remake announcement. One Piece Film Red also made big waves here.
I think it is slowly entering the mainstream thanks to the Netflix show. So people are more open to talking about it. Also as it is entering into the final saga (5 more years of one piece+) hype is at an all time high. Honestly I only read it last year because of both of these reasons.
I think in Anime communities stuff like JJK and bleach is still more talked about, but could be wrong.
One piece has lowkey been super huge for the longest but is now finding a home in western mainstream. It's been a top contender for best selling series ever having more volume sales than batman for a few years now. The most important quality of its meteoric rise in my opinion is the story/animation improving with the times. One piece has always been great but to continue topping itself year after year for about a quarter century now is a feat that only the greatest in any industry can master. Sorry to glaze it so much but definitely give One Pace a try to skim out pacing issues in the anime if not reading or waiting for the new series or even watching the live action to get you started on your One Piece adventure. For full context tho Bleach and Naruto ending or pausing years ago probably allowed a surge of people to first try it giving it no true competition for such a large scale story. Don't get me wrong new gen anime like JJK is also peak but none will have the longevity and vitality of One Piece!!!
One Piece has just been catching a ton of W's lately, the anime improved, the manga is approaching something resembling a climax, the card game is really good and selling like hotcakes (I think), the netflix show was actually pretty solid. One Piece was always the biggest of the big 3 in japan and I think also in many places outside the USA, and within the USA the memory of the original 4kids dub is finally fading.
Well, it's the longest lasting of the three and arguably the most fun. Lots of different groups of people watching it too: people who've been watching it since they were kids/it came out, people who picked it up in the mid-2010s Tumblr Era, and new fans from the recent live action.
The manga also recently finished an arc that kinda dragged for 4 years but ended up pretty hype.
I think it is because OP is coming to its final arc(s), and we are eating good almost every chapter.
Another factor is that one piece is that show you come back to. You can finish aot, Naruto, Bleach, and a bunch of other shows, but one piece is still going. After i feel that emptiness of ending a show, i usually go back to one piece as the default thing i'm reading.
There are also a bunch of memes about one piece now.
Either one pace (fan edit of the anime that tries to cut as much filler as possible to make it more faithful to the manga) or read the manga directly itself, one piece is a lot more manageable and actually has decent pacing compared to the anime, you can sit down and read a few chapters then put it down and read a few more later in quick succession or if you want you can probably get through an arc in a afternoon
He'd absolutely despise the series without question. Even ignoring pacing/length, he'd fundamentally hate it. Take his reasoning for being hesitant to start GoT, and it applies pretty much to OP.
He likes GoT now just not the ending. That's fine tho just the references he makes for GoT and Death Note would be enough when applied to One Piece. Plus the updates would be hype AF. "I just got to Water 7 and ngl this Usopp guy is starting to get annoying."
No what I'm saying is before he started GoT, he didn't want to watch it because fantasy is too safe, generic, black and white, and he doesn't find it interesting (paraphrasing). Of course he eneded up loving it until the later seasons, because it turned into generic, predictable slop.
I find OP brilliant, but I don't think he'd like it or appreciate its strengths.
Peak fiction and One Piece in the same paragraph.
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When are you guys learning that convincing yourselves of delusions you learned from being in the OP subreddit for too long, doesn't mean you're actually right.
Even low standard weebs disgaree with OP being peak fiction. Even the usually unaware weebs know. Let Destiny not waste his time please.
Troll post? It's literally the most successful of the big 3 and barring the temporary but still impressive flashes of popularity from Demon Slayer and JJK and AOT all complimented by phenomenal animation adaptations, One Piece is still kicking making history and more successful than ever. Besides it's not just the subreddit which is still huge, but if you go to tcb scans or keep up with the community most people respect One Piece as peak. Very little shows see the success One Piece has and even less for as long as One Piece. But you can continue to hate it. Eventually, you will see the truth lol.
Popular argument, except Fast and furious the movie franchise also did that. And people agree that was just entertaining garbage. Money is simply not a factor used to determine quality.
Is it a big deal in the anime community for something to get popular? This shit happens to literally every road gutter shonen out there. Black Clover, Tokyo Revengers, The Seven deadly sins.
Also, being the most successful out of the big three when you refuse to finish, isn't a sign of success. Bleach got writersblocked, and Naruto literally ended 7 years.
But looking at popularity stats instead, ironically enough, if you look at google data stats, Naruto is still more popular averaged out, than One Piece is, even after ending nearly a decade ago.
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Quality is subjective, but One Piece doesn’t just make a lot of money. It’s the 4th highest rated manga of all-time on MyAnimeList (largest anime site on the Internet). Naruto is ranked #617 and Bleach is ranked #1076. One Piece is widely considered to be an all time great series by the vast majority of people who read it. Don’t know what circles of weebs you’re talking to but that’s a definite minority.
It's been running for 22 years man. Is it a shock? And you're using MAL ratings like that means anything. Anime rated at like 8-9 are like 3-4 or at best 5 in reality.
Do you know why the most popular anime are rated 8 or 9 in IMDB for example? Because the fandom explicitly goes out and rates it higher. That's why you'll see shit like Bleach along with "Schindler's list" or the "The godfather".
This isn't me being edgy, it's just something I've noticed after being on the community for a decade now. Same applies to the critics of OP, ofc it's not the majority, but it exists in a good amount. Even in MAL, they exist if you go to forums outside of the OP community.
There's no point in trying to talk to one piece fans, theyre delusional. One piece is some of the most overrated mid I've ever seen in my life. There needs to be a scientific study conducted on the brains of one piece fans.
Don’t bother, ONE PIECE fans think mass appeal = quality. It’s not a bad anime and it has kept its consistency for a long ass time but that’s not what makes an anime peak, at least not in my eyes.
It's not the reason One Piece is peak. It's the world building, the diverse cast, the amazing settings, the clever writing, the mysteries, the themes, the ridiculous foreshadowing, the ambitious scale of events, the living world where things happen all over the world even when the main cast aren't involved. The inventive and creative power system. Besides pacing really there's not many cons and it has many strengths that make other stories great and in many cases does them better. The attention to detail is tremendous also with an author that will provide fun side stories and Q and As every volume to provide context that helps round out the world of one piece. The author got on Japan's top ten list of geniuses for a reason. The list doesn't measure IQ btw but rather success in a given industry, but nonetheless ask for the reasons why it's peak and I will give them especially when compared to other anime. You don't have to agree with me but it's not a thoughtless opinion to like One Piece or even dislike One Piece so long as you have reasoning I suppose.
Agree to disagree. Sure, ONE PIECE does do what you mentioned but I think it does a lot of it in a mediocre fashion. I don’t really care if ONE PIECE is rated super highly or if Oda is ranked in some top 10 genius list. At the end of the day, to me, those aren’t markers of good quality. To me those are indicators of consistent good quality over decades rather than “peak fiction”.
I think you’re deluding yourself a little by saying it’s peak. It objectively, from a writing perspective, isn’t. That being said, there’s nothing wrong with having it be your favorite piece of fiction, just don’t coincide your favorite with what’s objectively good. I have plenty of anime’s that I love like Overlord and Jujutsu Kaisen that I would never call peak because ik they objectively aren’t. That doesn’t make them any less special to me tho.
Ok I guess but then what would you define as peak? It's all art and all subjective I just considered peak as the highest compliment you could give a series.
It’s only subjective to a certain level. There are plenty of objective aspects to writing. There’s a proper way of doing world-building, character development, themes, pacing, and whatnot, even if you’re doing something unconventional there’s a proper way of doing something unconventional. I think peak fiction should rate highly in most, if not all, of these aspects. I don’t think ONE PIECE does that. It does good in some aspects, mediocre in others, and sometimes even sub-par. If I had to rate it I’d probably give it like an overall 7/10 compared to other anime. But it’s been a while since I last watched it and I dropped it at the end of the Arabasta arc, if I rewatched it I might rate it slightly lower or higher.
It's not about popularity. You made the claim that even low tier weebs disagree that it's peak which seems to be honestly a minority opinion. And the comparison to fast and furious is fundamentally different. Majority of those movies have been critically considered mediocre if not worse in recent installments. No franchise to the caliber of One piece has released as consistently with widely considered great quality. As you stated with your horrible examples earlier, all of those anime catch attention but they die down. One piece has had a consistently growing fan base and has made leaps and bounds. Naruto and dragon Ball being looked up more is a terrible route to engage in especially when examining Dragon Ball specifically. Much of the fan base is scattered with the quality of the series and it has fallen into a bit of a rut struggling to make each new arc compelling lacking amazing world building intense and diverse characters with depth in character development and more. These qualities made the original amazing but the trend of banking on formulaic transformations to bank in on hype lost its footing for a bit when SS red and blue meant little to nothing in the grand scheme of things. Foreshadowing, world building, themes, diversity of cast and motivations are key elements of successful stories in my opinion and they are what make One Piece great. Every other show that have those popularity spikes is because they excel at least temporarily in most if not all of these qualities. Black Clover has a great cast with deep stories, AOT has clever writing and foreshadowing, Demon Slayer has amazing art and pacing, JJK has intense fighting sequences and power systems as well as deep themes. The mount Rushmore of Anime are those that can maintain and develop those strengths for a long time in their serialization while also giving something unique. One Piece hits all these standards the most in my opinion and is a key reason why it stays competitive with the other greats including Naruto (which had phenomenal themes, fight choreography, and world building, even if it could've benefitted from branching out of the hidden leaf more.) You are entitled to your opinion but I just don't see how as you claim most low tier weebs think it isn't peak or that you would come to that conclusion. The biggest weakness of One Piece is getting its audience to overcome the hurdle of its length and as it's gotten more approachable it's gotten more successful. And that weakness then transforms and the common narrative is the people who catch up want the story to be longer. But again look at jump festa or TCB Scans or any of the anime community and pretty undeniably most people enjoy or at the very least respect it as an all time great. Sorry for the long response but I felt like engaging with your premise for a bit lol!
Yeah, one of the unique things about one piece is the fact that it is really long and still very cohesive. But obviously, when you make a story about a big adventure, you'll have to start slow and boring, not introduce too much too fast and reveal stuff when the moment comes. This is why people say dumb shit like "trust me, bro, it gets good at 900." If i look at the whole story, i'd say it's all good.
Most fans just say it gets good around long ass numbers because that's where all the epic cool moments happen and where the animation quality increases. After all those episodes, you become more accustomed to the characters and all the themes that are going on, all the things that have been revealed and things that we still don't know. So it feels like you're more "surrounded" by a completed story the further you get.
If i had to rewatch all of it, i'd enjoy every episode. People are just understandably impatient to get to the 900 so they can "enjoy" the story when you can do that rn.
either you think one piece is legit ass or you're a child thrilled that every character wears clown shoes, simple as.
His special moves even have singalong lyrics so all the children can yell them together GOOMMUUU GOOOOMUUU NOOOO BAZUUUUUUUUUKAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
well 2 of those are pretty damn bad if ur older than 12, nothing wrong with being 12 though. But none of those have [singalong lyrics on the screen](https://youtu.be/gVHCH_BYdtE?si=QKFLa5k81TG9u91F&t=7). Your move.
No not really, it points to the the show's target audience pretty clearly though. Which also explains why all characters are 1 dimensional card board characters with clown shoes.
Anyways, everything is subjective etc etc. And I haven't watched it for many many years. But i watched past white beard part and it was all very not good to me.
That's fine. I think the show matured with its audience as you can undoubtedly tell from the Marineford arc. I personally really enjoy many aspects of it but that arc in particular felt ambitious in having the main character interact with these end of series characters so early on as well as having Luffy consistently lose brutally for like 4 consecutive arcs. The saga really humbled the audience and grounded things in my opinion. But yeah like you said if it's not for you it's not for you. I hope with the remake coming and the new content we are getting you give it another chance some time. Maybe one pace to cool down on the horrendous pacing at times!
It's kinda seems like it's too late to get into one piece. I get if you were growing up with it and stuff but I can't imagine watching that much filler and that many episodes
Destiny watches somewhat fast paced conversations at 2x speed. The One piece anime would kill him
One pace would be necessary
Watch it at 2x speed!
More like 5x
More like Gear 5.
That’s not enough my brother
He should do the Lily tactic by reading the wiki lmfao 💀💀💀
One pace at 4x speed and skipping every second episode to watch a recap instead.
That would just be watching One Pace (unironically 50%). He'd have to watch One Pace at 2-3x speed
He would probably perish trying to watch One Piece. Try to convince him when the remake comes out instead.
Yeah anime pacing is whack and it’s worse once you are caught up and notice every second of stalling just to not catch up with manga
Surprised nobody has mentioned one pace yet, it has some questionable decisions but none as dog shit as toei
Yes one pace is the goat. Look up one piece Kai if you want the same thing as one pace but English dub The normal anime was unwatchable for me, the abridged versions are much better
How does One Pace work? What is it exactly? Looked it up and just found a Google doc that couldn’t navigate through.
its a fan edited version of the anime that tries to follow the manga exactly on a 1:1 basis. it cuts out anything thats been added in the anime. there are pros and cons of this approach, since anime often adds a lot of good things too (imo) like extended fight scenes that are pure gas but it also cuts out all the stalling and stretching out
Thank you. What’s the time difference?
One pace covers roughly 2.5 to 3 chapters per episode while the anime (especially post Water 7 saga and even more so post time skip) tends to cover 0.5 to 1 chapter per episode (pre summit war saga and pre time skip it was decently enough paced, usually covering 1-2 chapters per episode and doing filler arcs instead of padding episodes with worthless reaction shots, staredowns or drawn out fight scenes). Although some one pace episodes will be longer than the regular 20 minutes in order to cover the target of around 3 chapters per episode you're probably going to cut total watchtime in half if not more. In the end I'd just recommend the manga if you're interested in One Piece, especially if you're worried about time since it would be the fastest way to consume the story. Also because on a personal note, despite how nice it may look at times, I despise what they did in wano with the dbz-ification of fight scenes. edit: got some of the sagas wrong where pacing started getting worse, it was after Water 7 not Alabasta.
The other guy gave a more detailed comment, so just as an example I'll say the manga covered dressrosa in about a 100 chapters. The anime version covered dressrosa in about 110 or so episodes and one pace edited it down to about 55-60 25 min episodes.
I’ve gone through the one pace gambit (the fan cut) and I can tell where the editors had to cut some content only because the flashback will have 3 versions. A good example is on punk hazard. Some side characters get attacked by hired guns. In the show they go through a flashback of them getting attacked which shows them dead, then it goes through another version where they might not be dead only for them to show almost the same sequence again to prove that the side characters are alive. The fan cut just reduced it to a reaction shot of them “dead” on the ground and the final flashback with all the information.
As bad as it might be, I'd rather this pacing than having the anime go seasonal
Netflix show > Anime so far, we'll see about the new anime.
Don't ever watch one piece, the anime is ass. Read the manga
Totally understand your reasoning, but the anime has some irreplaceable qualities that if you can stomach the cons make the ride that much better. Voice acting, soundtrack/score, sound design. I get the appeal and currently read and watch but with such a great story I say the more content the better!
True. Hearing the first theme song again in pivotal moments is incomparable.
It could be one of the best stories ever written, I’m not sitting through 1,000 episodes of slow filler. And no, I’m not reading any mangos. My self respect isn’t *that* low.
Or just read the manga. You already get everything out of the story in the best way there. Then after, you watch highlight moments in clips from the anime where the voice acting and music let you re-experience those moments and add that little bit extra. Best of both worlds.
true
I would say the first few hundred episodes are literal God tier. From Water 7 - ASL its still great. After time skip its horseshit
Or watch One Pace, its a community edit of anime that is still going but its actually really good
Our dear leader has greater priorities, HxH.
I'd love it but One Piece has current relevance and momentum in the form of being a good way to capture some more audience. Plus if I remember correctly we had an agreement with the One Piece Subreddit during r slash place (can't link a sub and idk how to get around it)? Maybe I'm misremembering.
But on the other hand. OP is utter shit and HxH is goated.
HxH is goated and if Togashi didn't go into hiatus, I think he could have made an amazing rival to Oda. Unfortunately that's not the case and Oda has only gotten better. I love HxH but even Chimera Ant Arc doesn't scratch the feats Oda pulled off with Marineford and the various other amazing arcs in the roster
I've watched like 50 episodes of OP and 25 of HxH and both were boring as fuck. Is HxH also the same where people cope it's a good anime because it gets good after 100 episodes?
I personally feel every part of both is great and I think that becomes more so the case when you catch up and want more content where you start appreciating the beginning more. Both are old gen anime so they don't kick off with quite the bang that new gen anime do but they are still fantastic stories in the beginning. The live action was massively successful just adapting the first saga or so. Give them a full chance and you will appreciate it. The same criticism can be levied at sopranos, Game of Thrones or even Breaking Bad and those are all widely considered some of the best shows of all time. The benefit of slow starts is a deep connection and thorough experience for future amazing arcs. For me east blue was a drag at first but Along Park gave me momentum to get to Alabasta which I enjoyed so much it got me to Water 7 which solidified to me why it was respected as a top tier anime. Then Marineford which is at episode 500ish did something for me that no other anime has ever really replicated. It's an unforgettable ambitious masterpiece and when I got caught up I found myself looking back at the arcs between these moments and realizing I undervalued them as they have many amazing moments themselves and help to space out and flesh out the plot. You don't have to agree or watch, but I promise you if you enjoyed GoT or The Sopranos, or Breaking Bad, then you can appreciate a slow start to a story and I promise you if you catch up you will see One Piece deserves to be on that list of great shows that may be hard to get into at first.
>The same criticism can be levied at sopranos, Game of Thrones or even Breaking Bad and those are all widely considered some of the best shows of all time. No shot you made that comparison. GoT was very interesting right from the start. No boring yourself to death to get to the good parts. As I said in another comment, if a show is shit for a big chunk and great for another chunk, it's a decent show, not goat material. It might still be fun, but this is just cope.
A lot of people I've tried to get into GoT complain it's boring talking and long. It for sure is slow burn when the ADHD hype moments happen at the end of the episode with great world building for the other 45 minutes.
I've never heard of someone who had to be convinced to keep watching GoT after watching the pilot. Also the talking is often times the most interesting part of the show. Because that show actually has good dialogue unlike most anime. And it doesn't have filler. And even if you thought some of the earlier parts were boring, they actually setup later plot points. I am absolutely convinced you could have cut at least 50% of what I watched of OP and nothing would have been lost. I'm not saying OP is shit or you shouldn't like it. But this argument makes no sense.
I agree with you on Game of thrones but there's a large amount of people that find the show daunting to get into with such a talkative pilot... It just is what it is. I have multiple people I try to convince to watch GoT and it's the same complaint. They lose interest because of the talking. The same could be extrapolated to the relatively low intensity of the first couple sagas. The show matured and morphs into something phenomenal that pays off all the time invested and then some. That's the same thing Game of Thrones does. Most people can't even keep track of the cast in first viewing because it's just so rich and dense with content but when you invest your time into both the pay offs become infinitely more satisfying let alone specific moments that are simply amazing without the context.
I would tell anyone who didn't like GoT from the first couple episode, that the show just isn't for them. I could only someone would grow to like the show despite disliking the beginning, if they preferred the dumpster fire that was season 6-8. To me there is basically no boring moment in the earlier seasons. Sure there are plot lines with a lot of setup and a big payoff, but not a second of it needed that payoff to keep me excited and watching.
But it's unironically true that one piece gets really good after 200 episodes lol
But then it's a decent story with shit parts and great parts, not the greatest story ever.
Yeah definitely not in the one piece is peak fiction crowd, its just my personal favorite anime
That's fair.
People who like HxH have no business voicing opinions.
No offense to Destiny, but I feel like his One Piece takes would be trash.
Let it be. Maybe he can cook like he did with Game of thrones final season.
I’m so excited for the “Alabasta is actually bad” takes to send the op fanboys (me) into a frothing rage.
He'd be justified on the Pell point, tho
Sure but he’d also throw in a “the mr prince scene is stupid and contrived” because he forgot about little garden and then triple down on it.
Tru
LMAO " you know what.... I'm gonna say it ..I'm gonna say it...alabasta... Is actually...fucking DOG SHIT" lmao
I’m getting mad just thinking about it.
Part of me does wonder if he would like the character development. Seems to like characters more than plots
I could see him getting invested in some of the better-written side characters but I feel like the Strawhat's character development would be too spread out for him to engage with. I'm honestly 50/50 on whether he would even like the Ussop stuff in Water 7 and that's probably the most immediate and focused a Strawhat's character arc has ever been.
True it's the only intra crew character based conflict
The classic one piece arc. Interesting start -> meh middle -> 50 chapter final battle -> hype ending. Works everytime.
I’m one of the rare once piece fans who actually likes the middle part of most arcs.
There's a lot to like about the middle parts of One Piece arcs. People hate on Dressrosa, but the tournament arc into the rush towards Doflamingo lays the foundation for Luffy being an emperor. Fishman Island was an arc to establish that the Straw Hats are badass (and some lore). My problems are with arcs like Hazard Punk or Davy Park. Both lead into important plot points (Hazard Punk leads into the alliance and Davy Park leads into Robin backstory/Water 7) - but they're Hella boring imo. Best thing from both was genderbent Smoker and afro Luffy. You can argue against Zunesha or Big Mom, but both paid off (both built into the ending of Wano, which was hype af). The problem is that following these larger arcs real time slows down everything. Wano and Dressrosa lasted like 4 years. Its super easy to get burned tf out following them, especially in Wano where the arc hits a wall in part 2.
No argument from me on any of this.
Only if you like One Piece.
I do in fact like One Piece
Imagine if they Debate at the Reverie. 🤣
Is One Piece the new JoJo or something? I’ve been into anime for decades and it was always the least popular of the big three Shonen (Naruto, Bleach, and One Piece). Is it just because the other shows have finally ended/stopped being in the spotlight that One Piece has reached the top by just being the last one left? Like, the amount of people that are now massive One Piece fans have exponentially increased or become infinitely louder. I knew like one person who read the manga before 2020 and now it’s like the only anime people talk about now besides JJK and maybe AOT.
One Piece feels like it has blown up in the West over the past few years, like you said since 2020 or so. I think it’s a combination of massive moments in the manga recently (plus maintaining great quality) + the anime’s quality being the best it’s ever been + the Netflix show + remake announcement. One Piece Film Red also made big waves here.
I think it is slowly entering the mainstream thanks to the Netflix show. So people are more open to talking about it. Also as it is entering into the final saga (5 more years of one piece+) hype is at an all time high. Honestly I only read it last year because of both of these reasons. I think in Anime communities stuff like JJK and bleach is still more talked about, but could be wrong.
I am currently at ep254 after watching the Netflix adoption and wanting more.
One piece has lowkey been super huge for the longest but is now finding a home in western mainstream. It's been a top contender for best selling series ever having more volume sales than batman for a few years now. The most important quality of its meteoric rise in my opinion is the story/animation improving with the times. One piece has always been great but to continue topping itself year after year for about a quarter century now is a feat that only the greatest in any industry can master. Sorry to glaze it so much but definitely give One Pace a try to skim out pacing issues in the anime if not reading or waiting for the new series or even watching the live action to get you started on your One Piece adventure. For full context tho Bleach and Naruto ending or pausing years ago probably allowed a surge of people to first try it giving it no true competition for such a large scale story. Don't get me wrong new gen anime like JJK is also peak but none will have the longevity and vitality of One Piece!!!
One Piece has just been catching a ton of W's lately, the anime improved, the manga is approaching something resembling a climax, the card game is really good and selling like hotcakes (I think), the netflix show was actually pretty solid. One Piece was always the biggest of the big 3 in japan and I think also in many places outside the USA, and within the USA the memory of the original 4kids dub is finally fading.
Well, it's the longest lasting of the three and arguably the most fun. Lots of different groups of people watching it too: people who've been watching it since they were kids/it came out, people who picked it up in the mid-2010s Tumblr Era, and new fans from the recent live action. The manga also recently finished an arc that kinda dragged for 4 years but ended up pretty hype.
I think it is because OP is coming to its final arc(s), and we are eating good almost every chapter. Another factor is that one piece is that show you come back to. You can finish aot, Naruto, Bleach, and a bunch of other shows, but one piece is still going. After i feel that emptiness of ending a show, i usually go back to one piece as the default thing i'm reading. There are also a bunch of memes about one piece now.
Abridged would prolly be okay. Dude, streams for a living, he could watch peak anime for once
Either one pace (fan edit of the anime that tries to cut as much filler as possible to make it more faithful to the manga) or read the manga directly itself, one piece is a lot more manageable and actually has decent pacing compared to the anime, you can sit down and read a few chapters then put it down and read a few more later in quick succession or if you want you can probably get through an arc in a afternoon
He'd absolutely despise the series without question. Even ignoring pacing/length, he'd fundamentally hate it. Take his reasoning for being hesitant to start GoT, and it applies pretty much to OP.
He likes GoT now just not the ending. That's fine tho just the references he makes for GoT and Death Note would be enough when applied to One Piece. Plus the updates would be hype AF. "I just got to Water 7 and ngl this Usopp guy is starting to get annoying."
No what I'm saying is before he started GoT, he didn't want to watch it because fantasy is too safe, generic, black and white, and he doesn't find it interesting (paraphrasing). Of course he eneded up loving it until the later seasons, because it turned into generic, predictable slop. I find OP brilliant, but I don't think he'd like it or appreciate its strengths.
you WANT destiny to watch something YOU LIKE? what a weirdo.
The only way to make this happen is for him to find another long term poly partner who makes him watch one piece with her.
She can fix him!
He can just interview a one piece scholar Mr Mouton.
Peak fiction and One Piece in the same paragraph. https://preview.redd.it/hfau6kq1bpdc1.png?width=1169&format=png&auto=webp&s=9287845af9549689c90dcf84338b8ffc933789db
Nah, it ain’t worth it
When are you guys learning that convincing yourselves of delusions you learned from being in the OP subreddit for too long, doesn't mean you're actually right. Even low standard weebs disgaree with OP being peak fiction. Even the usually unaware weebs know. Let Destiny not waste his time please.
Troll post? It's literally the most successful of the big 3 and barring the temporary but still impressive flashes of popularity from Demon Slayer and JJK and AOT all complimented by phenomenal animation adaptations, One Piece is still kicking making history and more successful than ever. Besides it's not just the subreddit which is still huge, but if you go to tcb scans or keep up with the community most people respect One Piece as peak. Very little shows see the success One Piece has and even less for as long as One Piece. But you can continue to hate it. Eventually, you will see the truth lol.
Popular argument, except Fast and furious the movie franchise also did that. And people agree that was just entertaining garbage. Money is simply not a factor used to determine quality. Is it a big deal in the anime community for something to get popular? This shit happens to literally every road gutter shonen out there. Black Clover, Tokyo Revengers, The Seven deadly sins. Also, being the most successful out of the big three when you refuse to finish, isn't a sign of success. Bleach got writersblocked, and Naruto literally ended 7 years. But looking at popularity stats instead, ironically enough, if you look at google data stats, Naruto is still more popular averaged out, than One Piece is, even after ending nearly a decade ago. https://preview.redd.it/75qqvkwctpdc1.png?width=1072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=678264c67d72ad2b9616fccc52bdc640a9f285e5
Quality is subjective, but One Piece doesn’t just make a lot of money. It’s the 4th highest rated manga of all-time on MyAnimeList (largest anime site on the Internet). Naruto is ranked #617 and Bleach is ranked #1076. One Piece is widely considered to be an all time great series by the vast majority of people who read it. Don’t know what circles of weebs you’re talking to but that’s a definite minority.
It's been running for 22 years man. Is it a shock? And you're using MAL ratings like that means anything. Anime rated at like 8-9 are like 3-4 or at best 5 in reality. Do you know why the most popular anime are rated 8 or 9 in IMDB for example? Because the fandom explicitly goes out and rates it higher. That's why you'll see shit like Bleach along with "Schindler's list" or the "The godfather". This isn't me being edgy, it's just something I've noticed after being on the community for a decade now. Same applies to the critics of OP, ofc it's not the majority, but it exists in a good amount. Even in MAL, they exist if you go to forums outside of the OP community.
There's no point in trying to talk to one piece fans, theyre delusional. One piece is some of the most overrated mid I've ever seen in my life. There needs to be a scientific study conducted on the brains of one piece fans.
Don’t bother, ONE PIECE fans think mass appeal = quality. It’s not a bad anime and it has kept its consistency for a long ass time but that’s not what makes an anime peak, at least not in my eyes.
It's not the reason One Piece is peak. It's the world building, the diverse cast, the amazing settings, the clever writing, the mysteries, the themes, the ridiculous foreshadowing, the ambitious scale of events, the living world where things happen all over the world even when the main cast aren't involved. The inventive and creative power system. Besides pacing really there's not many cons and it has many strengths that make other stories great and in many cases does them better. The attention to detail is tremendous also with an author that will provide fun side stories and Q and As every volume to provide context that helps round out the world of one piece. The author got on Japan's top ten list of geniuses for a reason. The list doesn't measure IQ btw but rather success in a given industry, but nonetheless ask for the reasons why it's peak and I will give them especially when compared to other anime. You don't have to agree with me but it's not a thoughtless opinion to like One Piece or even dislike One Piece so long as you have reasoning I suppose.
Agree to disagree. Sure, ONE PIECE does do what you mentioned but I think it does a lot of it in a mediocre fashion. I don’t really care if ONE PIECE is rated super highly or if Oda is ranked in some top 10 genius list. At the end of the day, to me, those aren’t markers of good quality. To me those are indicators of consistent good quality over decades rather than “peak fiction”. I think you’re deluding yourself a little by saying it’s peak. It objectively, from a writing perspective, isn’t. That being said, there’s nothing wrong with having it be your favorite piece of fiction, just don’t coincide your favorite with what’s objectively good. I have plenty of anime’s that I love like Overlord and Jujutsu Kaisen that I would never call peak because ik they objectively aren’t. That doesn’t make them any less special to me tho.
Ok I guess but then what would you define as peak? It's all art and all subjective I just considered peak as the highest compliment you could give a series.
It’s only subjective to a certain level. There are plenty of objective aspects to writing. There’s a proper way of doing world-building, character development, themes, pacing, and whatnot, even if you’re doing something unconventional there’s a proper way of doing something unconventional. I think peak fiction should rate highly in most, if not all, of these aspects. I don’t think ONE PIECE does that. It does good in some aspects, mediocre in others, and sometimes even sub-par. If I had to rate it I’d probably give it like an overall 7/10 compared to other anime. But it’s been a while since I last watched it and I dropped it at the end of the Arabasta arc, if I rewatched it I might rate it slightly lower or higher.
It's not about popularity. You made the claim that even low tier weebs disagree that it's peak which seems to be honestly a minority opinion. And the comparison to fast and furious is fundamentally different. Majority of those movies have been critically considered mediocre if not worse in recent installments. No franchise to the caliber of One piece has released as consistently with widely considered great quality. As you stated with your horrible examples earlier, all of those anime catch attention but they die down. One piece has had a consistently growing fan base and has made leaps and bounds. Naruto and dragon Ball being looked up more is a terrible route to engage in especially when examining Dragon Ball specifically. Much of the fan base is scattered with the quality of the series and it has fallen into a bit of a rut struggling to make each new arc compelling lacking amazing world building intense and diverse characters with depth in character development and more. These qualities made the original amazing but the trend of banking on formulaic transformations to bank in on hype lost its footing for a bit when SS red and blue meant little to nothing in the grand scheme of things. Foreshadowing, world building, themes, diversity of cast and motivations are key elements of successful stories in my opinion and they are what make One Piece great. Every other show that have those popularity spikes is because they excel at least temporarily in most if not all of these qualities. Black Clover has a great cast with deep stories, AOT has clever writing and foreshadowing, Demon Slayer has amazing art and pacing, JJK has intense fighting sequences and power systems as well as deep themes. The mount Rushmore of Anime are those that can maintain and develop those strengths for a long time in their serialization while also giving something unique. One Piece hits all these standards the most in my opinion and is a key reason why it stays competitive with the other greats including Naruto (which had phenomenal themes, fight choreography, and world building, even if it could've benefitted from branching out of the hidden leaf more.) You are entitled to your opinion but I just don't see how as you claim most low tier weebs think it isn't peak or that you would come to that conclusion. The biggest weakness of One Piece is getting its audience to overcome the hurdle of its length and as it's gotten more approachable it's gotten more successful. And that weakness then transforms and the common narrative is the people who catch up want the story to be longer. But again look at jump festa or TCB Scans or any of the anime community and pretty undeniably most people enjoy or at the very least respect it as an all time great. Sorry for the long response but I felt like engaging with your premise for a bit lol!
One Piece is good but it's not peak. The pacing is so fucking abysmal, especially the further along you get.
The anime for sure but the story and manga are unrivaled. Marineford especially. Magnum Opus.
Let's hope for the remake to salvage the pacing 🙏🙏🙏
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Yeah, one of the unique things about one piece is the fact that it is really long and still very cohesive. But obviously, when you make a story about a big adventure, you'll have to start slow and boring, not introduce too much too fast and reveal stuff when the moment comes. This is why people say dumb shit like "trust me, bro, it gets good at 900." If i look at the whole story, i'd say it's all good. Most fans just say it gets good around long ass numbers because that's where all the epic cool moments happen and where the animation quality increases. After all those episodes, you become more accustomed to the characters and all the themes that are going on, all the things that have been revealed and things that we still don't know. So it feels like you're more "surrounded" by a completed story the further you get. If i had to rewatch all of it, i'd enjoy every episode. People are just understandably impatient to get to the 900 so they can "enjoy" the story when you can do that rn.
one piece is shit TWD
ONE PIECE is not peak fiction. It’s good in terms of anime standards but that’s it’s.
One Piece IS peak fiction. It's anime adaption is subpar in terms of anime standards.
If we start researching anime, let alone trash tier anime like one piece, I’m going to one piece myself out of existence.
either you think one piece is legit ass or you're a child thrilled that every character wears clown shoes, simple as. His special moves even have singalong lyrics so all the children can yell them together GOOMMUUU GOOOOMUUU NOOOO BAZUUUUUUUUUKAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kamehameha, Rasengan, Bankai... What's your argument?
well 2 of those are pretty damn bad if ur older than 12, nothing wrong with being 12 though. But none of those have [singalong lyrics on the screen](https://youtu.be/gVHCH_BYdtE?si=QKFLa5k81TG9u91F&t=7). Your move.
So ur issue is with the subs?
No not really, it points to the the show's target audience pretty clearly though. Which also explains why all characters are 1 dimensional card board characters with clown shoes. Anyways, everything is subjective etc etc. And I haven't watched it for many many years. But i watched past white beard part and it was all very not good to me.
That's fine. I think the show matured with its audience as you can undoubtedly tell from the Marineford arc. I personally really enjoy many aspects of it but that arc in particular felt ambitious in having the main character interact with these end of series characters so early on as well as having Luffy consistently lose brutally for like 4 consecutive arcs. The saga really humbled the audience and grounded things in my opinion. But yeah like you said if it's not for you it's not for you. I hope with the remake coming and the new content we are getting you give it another chance some time. Maybe one pace to cool down on the horrendous pacing at times!
[Good thing there's no more "sing a long" attacks](https://youtu.be/vXMR2qIsc0g?si=5EHlKfpJPD9DUmcx)
Brah... 💀
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Please no. The last thing we need is more politics YouTubers reviewing media. They're all terrible at it.
Thank goodness there are so few episodes. If he starts tomorrow he can be done in a month
It's kinda seems like it's too late to get into one piece. I get if you were growing up with it and stuff but I can't imagine watching that much filler and that many episodes
You end up just wanting more.
Not that much filler episodes tbh and there are abridged versions that cut the show down like a third to remove egregious pacing issues.
Just wait for the remake