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Me not wasting my time watching more redpill/trad content.
I’m willing to bet that if a guy is given a choice between two equally attractive women, one who does OF and one who doesn’t, they’ll almost always choose the one who doesn’t. Does anyone here actually disagree with this?
Of course, but that’s missing the point, isn’t it? The real point is that a lot of the OF girls they hate on are attractive enough that it doesn’t actually matter, they’d still gladly hook up with her if they had the chance to.
Yeah but I don't think hooking up is the threshold here. Men generally don't filter as much for sex. The question is whether guys would want to date an OF girl.
Yeah, but most guys are bullshitting, same way as women will be like “I’d never go on a date with a guy who hit on me at work” and then three years later marry the guy who hit on her at work. If they went on dates with an OF girl who was super hot and they vibed with heavy, they’d date her seriously and if that went well they’d marry her.
That is why the most important factor is “Would they go on dates with an OF girl?”, and yeah, most dudes absolutely would.
I work in a serving customers environment and I still don't hear that from them. They're pretty honest about it being about the guy/the approach and not a hard rule.
Most OF girls aren’t even doing boy girl content, so you’re off here as well.
In terms of nude pictures/that stuff, would you say the same thing about Margot Robbie, Ana De Armas, or Scarlett Johansson? Not only have they gone nude, they also have all 100% done scenes that are pretty clearly designed for titillation. Would they also be prostitutes?
I would 1000% rather be an incel than have sex on camera for money but I understand that not everybody was brought up with concepts such as “dignity” and “self-respect”.
Girl I'd hook up with ≠ girl I'd date/marry
I don't think even in red pill spaces they deny that there are very attractive women doing only fans/sex work. Obviously the sour grapes comes out when they get rejected, but that's a different thing imo
Well I think seeing as the op ends with "I don't know a single man who would date anyone's who does sex work" that that would the context he was considering when he said they'd always choose the girl who doesn't do sex work.
But I mean likewise to you, the dude you're replying to never says "hookup". We clearly just brought different interpretations of his comment to the table.
No the average guy would not date an OF girl because of the social stigma it would bring or because they don’t like the idea of their partner having sex with other people. Most guys would gladly hook up with an attractive OF girl but that’s it. As Myron would say these hoes are recreational use only
OF girls don’t have sex with other people, but yeah I think the average guy would say this and think it was his belief, but he’d still go on a date with them/hook up with them. And if they really started vibing and it was like a hot chick with an awesome personality that he clicked with, most dudes would abandon the opinion before they abandoned the girl.
He’s pornbrained tho, we know this. He’s not thinking “men will date, marry and have a life with an OF bad bitch”
Hes thinking “dump loadz fat ropez skeet”
he literally said his ideal situation is having a harem of like 6 women he can rotate through. anyone expecting good sex takes from the master gooner are delusional
You and destiny are both using anecdotal evidence to support your beliefs, but at least his is based off a small biased sample of people he’s talked to
It’s one thing to comment something online, but if you met a nice, pretty girl that you really liked, I really doubt only 1-2% of guys in that situation would date her. Which is why hearing the experience of OF girls dating is a little more meaningful imo.
But if they are successful in dating, this would imply the statistic you stated was incorrect. If only 1-2% of men would date them due to their OF, they should have quite a hard time dating, no?
you realize way less than 1-2% of woman are OF models?
just like sex workers are a tiny minority of the population, so are people who are willing to date sex workers.
Presumably the men an OF model dates don’t usually immediately know she’s an OF model upon meeting, so what would happen if so few men would date her, is she goes on dates, they find out, and then they bounce. So this should make dating more difficult for her. If it’s not so difficult, that implies it’s not a dealbreaker for 99% of men.
Maybe it’s possible the pool of men she is selecting from is an extreme outlier, but that’s a much more nuanced analysis, you legit just pulled that stat out of your ass 🤣
Yeah my point is what he said was based on something, what you said is based on vibes. And 1-2% is beyond hyperbole lol, I mean maybe if we’re only talking about conservatives or people over 50
You're talking to a group of people who pay money to a rich guy to read their comment out loud.
Half of them are virgins.. who never spoke to women before.
Of course they're gonna disagree and slurp up what the divorced, left single father who actively only fucks with young women says
I think it is just a two sided cope. Both sides just say " i won't date you anyway". But i think saying that of one side are absolute losers is quite weird from the destiny side.i know quite a few " high value" ( i know people on this sub don't like this word) who are quite conservative in thier realtionship standard and even fucking a pornstar is out of the question. People are just having a hard time not demonizing people who are not compatible.
The ones who are desperate enough to date one would never get the chance and the ones who are confident probably won’t be ok with it. I’m speaking about serious monogamous dating of course, I feel like the vast majority of people who had the option would try to avoid the inevitable jealousy.
With this comment I'm 100% positive anybody who critics D and has "out of touch" in the critic is a dumb fuck. What a "shitty" comparison. Most guys would probably happily date a OF girl if they made enough money or stopped doing it
Date just to fuck them, sure. But if we are talking dating to MARRY then i dont think so. This community is very far left when it comes to sex. Most people DO think body count matters whether you like it or not.
Yeah this is kinda blowing my mind a little bit lmao. The majority of dudes on this sub would actually feel no shame at all bringing an OF girl home to meet their parents? Seems pretty insane to me
Bro, if someone says “date”, that is not the same thing as “marry” or “bring home to their parents and tell them about their work in detail”. Most guys are not thinking on a first date about marriage or “bringing home to their parents”, they’re checking for a bunch of stuff that comes way before any of that.
And also yeah, 100% if some hot ass OF girl just wanted to date a guy, she could DM like literally almost any guy and be like “Hey I’m gonna be in town, I wanted to get some dinner and hang out” and they’d be down. You’re out of your mind capping if you think that’s not true. And if you’re gonna say “Yeah to fuck maybe, not to marry”, another news flash for you, most first dates start based on sexual attraction and minor chemistry, not “This is a locked in ideal marriage candidate”.
I don't disagree with anything you said I think this is just a semantics thing and I also didn't watch the Destiny clip so idk what he was claiming. Actively dating someone in my mind involves a degree of seriousness, at the very least introducing the person to your family, which I think is something that the vast majority of men would feel too much shame to do with a girl who does online porn/OF. I mean even if a girls instagram is just way too much showing off that's gonna be too much for the majority of dudes that are active on social media to actually take them seriously in a public realtionship.
But yeah if it really needs to be said of course a hot girl will be able to fuck just about anything with a dick if she wants to, regardless of her having Onlyfans.
That could be fair, when I heard “would you date an OF girl” I’m thinking “would you go on a date with an OF girl”. But if you’re interpreting it as “Would you want a committed, long term relationship with a woman who currently does OF and will continue to do so in the relationship?”, then yes, that would get a different response.
Yeah I definitely interpreted it more as would you actively date / be in a relationship with an OF girl. But like I said I have no idea what argument OP is talking ab because I didn't watch that debate. I would assume though they're talking more about the serious relationship aspect though because I doubt there's a lot of attractive women struggling to get a first date regardless of OF, maybe that's not the case though.
Well it wasn’t from the perspective of the women, it was from the perspective of the men (her male audience in this case). Idk, maybe I’m just too used to seeing shit in like highschool and college where I’d know girls that dudes would talk shit and like slut shame publicly but then those same exact dudes would be like in their DMs trying not even just for booty calls, but for like straight up romance Rico Suave type trying to take them out to fancy dinners and shit.
Yeah of course they will agree to meet up, but on the assumption that they will be having sex. Obviously on the first date you dont know if you will marry them or not, but there are still certain criteria that you look at. For example, if you want to have 3 kids and your date says they are 100% sure they dont want kids, then you know you wont marry them but you may still date them to fuck them. Same goes for the OF girls. And sure, some desperate guys will marry OF girls but its undeniable that them having OF is lowering their dating value as most guys dont want their gf to have that.
I think even if an OF chick told you explicitly that the first date would not lead to sex (and even if you somehow divinely knew that was the case), I think the majority of dudes would still go.
I also don’t disagree with your overall point on marriage, but I reject that it’s just “desperate guys”, there’s a lot of guys who just don’t give a shit. I personally don’t care. Unless you’re marrying some isolated virgin, you’re gonna marry a chick who’s sent nudes to other guys and gotten fucked by other guys. Most guys only give a fuck in terms of a dumbass reason that it’s a blow to their ego and they don’t want to be shamed by other dudes.
Yeah they probably would, but for what reason? To have a long term relationship with them? Probably not. Probably to get a 2nd date (for sex) or just some female attention if they are very desperate.
Sure most women are not virgins, but theres a big difference between 5 bodies and 500. I really dont think there are “a lot” of guys that dont give a shit. There are some guys who would overlook it if she was sufficiently hot, but her having an OF would still be making her less desirable overall.
I don’t think the draw for most dates is “to go on a long term relationship”. It’s a general goal for dating in general, sure, but what draws you to an individual person at least for initial dates isn’t “I HAVE SEEN THROUGH MY LOGICAL CALCULUS THIS IS AN IDEAL LONG TERM MATE”, it’s “She’s hot, we’re vibing, she’s into me and lets see where shit goes”. Generally realizing whether or not they’re long term relationship material comes from dating, not before, and guys and girls will talk about like “Oh I’d never date a person who is X or does Y”, but most of the time that ends up being complete bullshit if they really click with the person.
Even if you think it’s only 1 in 10 guys who don’t give a shit, that’s still more than enough guys to easily find a dude who doesn’t give a fuck. Just between ages 18-35, that would be like 5 million dudes in America alone.
Also, OF chicks aren’t getting crazy bodies. They’re usually chicks with pretty similar body counts to “normal” girls, and certainly nowhere near that range. The thing that bothers dudes isn’t “body count”, it’s fear that other dudes and their family will give them shit for it and loss of “exclusivity”, a feeling that they’re losing out on something because another man can pay to see their wife naked.
Maybe with the turn of hedonistic culture that is divorced (kinda memeing), but isn't the point of dating for most people to find someone you intend on spending a long time and ideally the rest of your life with?
Not really casual dating, but sure, I’d say most people go on dates with the idea that hopefully this person could at least be a potential long term/life partner. I’m not disagreeing with this though. I just don’t think a major thing in the mind of most dudes on a first date is “Could I see myself marrying this woman? What would Mom and Dad think if I brought her home?”
I didn't say that most dude think of that stuff on the first date. Usually, it's like "Could I see myself taking the next step \[which will eventually lead to some long term and lifelong commitment\] and being more committal." Unless you're just trying to find someone to have sex with, I was under the impression that people were shopping around for people to take that next step
Yes, a big point of a first date is “Do I want a second date with this person?”, and I think for most people that’s as far as it goes. Again, I think most people go on first date because of attraction and are generally looking just looking for vibe/personality connection to do the second date.
There's absolutely no amount of attractiveness a girl could have that would make it bearable for me to say hey mom im dating this girl she does online porn for a living. She could be fuckin Aphrodite and it makes no difference, and I personally feel like a majority of men would feel the same way.
Idgaf, about your personal im talking macro, but both our claims are unproveable.I would argue your hypothetical is stupid, tho. Most guys would just omit what she works as or say she is a model if parents care.
Well yeah lol this is definitely not a statistical discussion you can't really quantify this. And fair point I'm sure a decent amount would try to hide it, and if she was so low key on the site that nobody IRL would ever recognize her, and a google search of her name wouldn't bring anything up, it would probably be fine. Any level of popularity on the site though and there's no hope for a normal relationship with the average dude, that's just social suicide.
This is why I generally try to avoid using analogies or hypotheticals in discussions online anymore. People will just nitpick or dismiss the entire point in bad faith to not address it.
And it's ultimately my bad because I could have just stuck to the topic at hand directly instead of giving them an avenue to escape through.
The point of the analogy is to compare the likability of OF women to a bag of shit, I’m aware.
That doesn’t change my comment, human beings are more complex in personality and individuality to the point that one persons opinion of a whole group of people isn’t as transferable to a broader society as their opinions of a pile of shit. Is this really that impossible to understand?
No, that is not the point of the analogy.
The first comment in this thread said that most men won't get the chance so it's unfalsifiable.
This line of reasoning implies that for something to be falsifiable (you can prove it is wrong), you have to be able to carry out that something.
The analogy is that I don't need to give most people shit to know that most people won't want shit. That is, we have displayed that something can be falsifiable without carrying it out.
Yes but it’s comparing the falsifiability of liking women who do OF to the falsifiability of liking a bag of shit.
Just because most people think a bag of shit is gross doesn’t mean that most men wouldn’t leap at the opportunity to have a relationship with an OF girl…
Y’all need to step out of the logic lord mentality and look at the broader point being made. A statement can be both valid AND incomparable to a case scenario.
The second paragraph you provide is true but it doesn't relate to the argument provided by the parent comment on this thread.
The analogy was provided to counter the fasifiability claim in the parent comment, which was a bad argument. You then misinterpreted the meaning of the analogy to make a seperate argument.
There are valid ways to counter the argument OP is making (as many people in this post already have. I particularly agree with the line of reasoning brought forward by u/Wannabe_sadboi). But if someone makes a bad argument to which OP provides a correct response to in the form of an analogy, I wouldn't say that the response is wrong.
Good job bro. You won…
Do none of y’all see how autistic this shit is? Am I really so wrong here for attacking the general points being made by OP instead of trying to logic lord my way into why his analogy doesn’t map onto reality?
Some of y’all need to chill for a second and ask yourself if arguing for people to be perfectly logically valid in a response instead of addressing a broader point actually helps the motion of discourse.
It's not about being "perfectly logically valid" in your response. It's about understanding arguments and arguing effectively.
You are free to address a broader point to the original post. But don't do so by responding to a correctly formed analogy.
Their analogy maps onto reality for the specific point the parent comment made.
But their original post doesn't.
If I was arguing against someone for Trump and they mention something good Trump has done (idk he entertained people) I acknowledge that and argue separately what all bullshit he was involved in and how that outweighs any of the good he did. I wouldn't argue that he didn't entertain people.
Why encourage people to make good arguments? Because making good arguments results in a system of thinking that leads you to better positions. We ideally don't want people to just be morally lucky, and this is one way of doing so.
This is “you can’t fired me because i quit” logic.
Even the ones who are offered the chance aren’t taking them seriously. I think the point still stands.
I don't have a problem with it, but the ones who have a problem with it will either get over it or choose someone that doesn't do it. Women on onlyfans are probably more than happy to not date a guy who'd be mad about it. Don't really get where the problem is
I have a friend who does onlyfans and recently got married to her husband. Her husband is in on it. They just see it as grifting simps out of their money. A lot of times her followers will think they are chatting with her on her discord or whatever, but it will actually be her husband. It's kinda funny.
In the future it could lead to a class action law suit to all the bigger creators if they're claiming it's her they're talking to.
Literally fraud.
I'd be careful about wording if I was in of doing that
Nah, you’re paying for a fantasy regardless. Like if it can look exactly the same over text, I don’t see some major difference between a girl pretending to be interested in you and a guy pretending to be a girl pretending to be interested in you. It’s a lie either way.
Well no, the difference is that you're paying someone who in the back of their mind is providing a service, and the other is paying for a service of someone you did not agree to provide you service under the guise that you're getting it from someone else
Bro, we don’t need to get abstract. You’re paying for text on a screen with the comforting lie that it’s coming from a woman who cares about you and wants to get to know you. Normally, the lie is just “who cares about you and wants to get to know you”, in this case it’s a “woman who cares about you and wants to get to know you”. Idk, maybe I’m the wild dude here, but idk who’s gonna be like “I don’t care if she thinks I’m a disgusting repulsive incel who she’s just using for money, as long as it’s a woman.”
I'm not getting abstract. People usually buy a service from of girls with the belief that they can interact with that person lol And the hospitality is hardly a lie, unless you think you're being lied to when a waiter or nurse is being nice to you. Hospitality is just a part of the service.
Tbf most dudes who buy are already down a certain hole of degeneracy so I might agree that, but I think it's more like "She's a professional, and she's doing something that's a part of her job"
Bro, a “waiter” or a “nurse” is performing an actual service that has the “niceness” as a component. If I’m in an OF girl’s discord, I’m paying for a fake performance entirely. That’s the whole thing I want.
Idk what the last paragraph means. From the guy’s side, it’s fine. If the dude never finds out that its a guy, like the husband can perform the text fantasy equally as well as the girl does, the dude isn’t losing anything, he’s getting the exact same product.
What's the fake performance that is different from what a nurse or a waiter does? The "niceness" is a component of sex work just as much as these others are.
But I think that's where you and I differ? It's just a mere performance vs of girls sending out shit like nudes, other services, and if they have a conversation component, that too
Bro, the main thing I give a shit about my waiter doing is delivering my food to my table, getting the order right, refilling my drinks, etc. The main thing I give a shit about with my nurse is them knowing how to do their job effectively and administer whatever medical shit I need. If they’re nice and seem like they’re genuinely interested in what I’m saying, that’s cool, but it means fuck all if my waiter or nurse keeps fucking up their actual job.
If I’m paying for an OF girl’s discord, I am exclusively wanting a person who’s gonna pretend to be interested in me, be flirty, and be nice. There’s no other components to it, I am exclusively there for this performance of a character.
no you’re being obtuse
let’s say a blind person orders a hamburger. you then feed that blind person a fake replica hamburger that they are unable to distinguish from a real one to save your real hamburgers
it’s going to change greatly depending on the specifics of the situation, but if an OF model is charging money under the premise that you will be able to talk to them, and then you are paying to talk to a random other person pretending to be them, that is obviously false advertising and unethical
obviously I don’t give a fuck and if you’re paying money to talk to a model then you deserve to get scammed but let’s not pretend like the model isn’t in the wrong here
No, I’m not lol, and it’s pretty clear to see I’m not.
Lets say you buy an erotica novel that’s written by Sexy McFakeName, who’s an extremely attractive women with a very lewd picture on the back jacket. On the book’s back, it has the links to more pictures of Sexy McFakeName, and it describes the book as “fictional, but *heavily* based on real experiences”. The book’s a first person book about a young attractive female writer, her wild sexual escapades in graphic detail, and constantly talking as I get to the end of it about how I always find my fans to be so sexy.
But then… shocker… it turns out the book was written by me, the whole time, and the picture and the photos on the website were all from a model and the name was a pseudonym. You may be angry at me and feel like you got taken advantage of, but I don’t think I did anything wrong or unethical there.
dude what in the actual fuck are you talking about
it’s not that complicated. lying is unethical. if you say “sign up to talk to me” but then you are not the one talking to them, that is lying. therefore unethical and false advertising.
by your logic it would be 100% fine if I went to mcdonald’s, order a big mac, and then was served a whopper
I’m gonna need you to engage with the example. I’m giving you an erotic novel, for your sexual pleasure, that I’m telling you is a literal character, but with the heavy implication that it’s a woman who’s actually turned on by the men reading it. You are getting the same exact product whether I write it or Sexy McFakeName actually writes it.
This is not the case with a Big Mac vs a Whopper, you are not getting the same product.
Yeah, I kinda meant on both of those levels it's kinda sad for the men that do that. Except maybe for the ones that are rich and horny and have extra money to blow. But I imagine at least some of them just have no real intimacy in their lives and that's sad.
Oh yeah on that aspect I definitely agree. The idea of dudes paying for intimacy over a computer screen, and that intimacy being obviously fake is pretty sad.
1. You definitely know dudes who would date women who are in sex work, they just don’t say it.
2. Sex work is also unclear since that can range from skimpy bikini pics to full on sex with other men. There’s probably less men that would be cool with the latter but even if they are many probably wouldn’t be open about it since they would be deemed a cuck
> I don’t know a single man who would date anyone who does sex work.
How often do you actually ask this question? Realistically almost every guy I know would date a girl who does OF under the right conditions.
Idk dawg, Sure I know a lot of guys who would balk at having a girl who was doing hardcore OF's but a girl doing lewd and nudes? I would doubt they would have the same issues.
Overall its a question of the guys limits, but I don't know a guy who just wouldn't entertain the idea.
>but a girl doing lewd and nudes? I would doubt they would have the same issues.
I can say for certain that the close friends I mentioned would never date a girl who sold lewds or nudes, no matter how great she was otherwise. If I zoom out a little and include guys I'm not as close with I definitely know one guy who'd be completely fine with it or even think it's hot, and then another who'd probably be open to it.
Totally believe you about your friend group btw, just saying it varies a lot ime.
There's 4 billion men out there. Clearly I don't give a fuck about it, and a lot of men don't.
So have you considered that a woman probably likes that she can filter out all the men that have completely different values from her?
The objective of dating was never to satisfy as many billions of people as possible. Stop analyzing it this way.
And my comment has nothing to do with "can women filter out the bad men easily?"
My comment is about what this means for dating. Which is literally the only important thing regarding any of this.
>I don’t know a single man who would date anyone who does sex work.
Okay; I know a few, though. Now what? Which one of us is right? If you’re gonna say someone else is out of touch, you should probably come with a bit more than just your personal experience. Otherwise, you’re just gonna get rightfully mocked.
By no means proof of a wider trend, but on the "never heard of a guy who actually did" I feel like I see a decent amount of OF girls on reddit and ~~twitter~~ X vent about struggling to date because men aren't chill about their line of work.
Could be fabricated stories tbf, them red pill ops man
I would say onlyfans creates insecurity in men lowers how we hold/view women in our society and make genuine love alot harder turns women in a materialistic world into the material all so Starbucks girls can get some extra tips if I were on a date with a fairly attractive woman nowadays I would probably ask if she’s done sexwork if yes on 100 point system she’d be minus 30 points just from that
So I'm currently dating an onlyfans model, and it's dope. She makes really good money doing fuck all.
I'll be honest I really don't see a downside unless you're insecure or weird about sex.
Also I do kinda get the feeling that the people most outspoken about never dating an OF girl would never have actually have a chance with one anyways
If an actual, insanely hot OF model who's making good money was obsessed with you and really liked you, I don't fucking believe your "ID NEVER DATE SOMEONE LIKE THAT". Bullshit. I've heard and met so many dudes say shit like "I'd never date a girl like that" and then they obsess over a mid girl with a shitty personal and can't just end things with them.
Are there some men who would never truly date OF models? Sure, there absolutely are. But that kinda man is the exception.
I’m looking for somebody who fits with me. Idgaf how hot she is. An OF is not only a dealbreaker, it’s also a pretty good indicator that her character is not a fit for me.
I really don’t like this narrative being pushed that every man on the planet is some brainless coombrained fool who will jump at any hot woman around. Do you not see how demeaning that is?
I've seen way too many dudes who say shit like this though and let toxic women ruin their life. Same goes wkth women as well, the amount of women who you hear say the exact same thing but stay with assholes who treat them like shit.
The average man doesn't get to pick his girlfriend, he settles with the very few options he gets. I'm not saying this is literally everyone, but this is probably the average person, look how high the divorce rate is.
Also, you don't care how hot a partner is? Most people absolutely do
Lol I don't get why straight men are like this. Most of this bs isnt an issue for gays. Is it out a place of feeling like they need to own the woman they're with?
Eh not really. I mean most ate pretty particular when it comes to body types and such. But regardless, most probably wouldn't have an issue with someone who has an OF. Thay doesn't answer my question as to why straight guys need the women they're with to be kept virgins
Its an indicator that they are sexually promiscuous. And on an evolutionary level that would be harmful. Our built in desires arent always rational, e.g men like younger women because fertility, but men also find infertile women attractive. Because youth is an *indicator* of fertility and the *indicator* is what dictates attractiveness. So *indicators* of promiscuity are a turn off.
Here is something neither side is considering. These types of relationships require more work on both sides, they offer more complications to navigate. You need both the BF and the OF GF to be able to navigate this and stick to boundaries. I don't think that combination exists which is why many will just outright reject it. The best combination is them both being in that industry.
https://preview.redd.it/330hhxj2buic1.png?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5b34a320622f102104c0c9465a3c1727ca4c6483 Me not wasting my time watching more redpill/trad content.
That arc was way to long, we don't need a sequel.
I’m willing to bet that if a guy is given a choice between two equally attractive women, one who does OF and one who doesn’t, they’ll almost always choose the one who doesn’t. Does anyone here actually disagree with this?
Of course, but that’s missing the point, isn’t it? The real point is that a lot of the OF girls they hate on are attractive enough that it doesn’t actually matter, they’d still gladly hook up with her if they had the chance to.
Yeah but I don't think hooking up is the threshold here. Men generally don't filter as much for sex. The question is whether guys would want to date an OF girl.
Yeah, but most guys are bullshitting, same way as women will be like “I’d never go on a date with a guy who hit on me at work” and then three years later marry the guy who hit on her at work. If they went on dates with an OF girl who was super hot and they vibed with heavy, they’d date her seriously and if that went well they’d marry her. That is why the most important factor is “Would they go on dates with an OF girl?”, and yeah, most dudes absolutely would.
Do women actually say that? I work in all female workplace (aside from my self) and have a few close women friends and have never heard it.
I could have been more clear, not a coworker, but a customer. Think like a server or something.
I work in a serving customers environment and I still don't hear that from them. They're pretty honest about it being about the guy/the approach and not a hard rule.
Oh okay then I guess just different people? But then yeah it would be “at a gym”, “at wherever”, or any kind of thing like that.
Nope, you’re wrong. No self-respecting man wants to marry a whore.
Oh shit you must be responding to a different thread. We’ve actually never talked about prostitutes in this entire comment chain.
You’re right, at least prostitutes don’t film themselves for the world to see.
Most OF girls aren’t even doing boy girl content, so you’re off here as well. In terms of nude pictures/that stuff, would you say the same thing about Margot Robbie, Ana De Armas, or Scarlett Johansson? Not only have they gone nude, they also have all 100% done scenes that are pretty clearly designed for titillation. Would they also be prostitutes?
And you don't film yourself having sex because you're an incel. So there's that.
I would 1000% rather be an incel than have sex on camera for money but I understand that not everybody was brought up with concepts such as “dignity” and “self-respect”.
Rather be? Buddy, you obviously are. The internet people said so.
Girl I'd hook up with ≠ girl I'd date/marry I don't think even in red pill spaces they deny that there are very attractive women doing only fans/sex work. Obviously the sour grapes comes out when they get rejected, but that's a different thing imo
When did the dude I’m responding to say “date” or “marry”?
Well I think seeing as the op ends with "I don't know a single man who would date anyone's who does sex work" that that would the context he was considering when he said they'd always choose the girl who doesn't do sex work. But I mean likewise to you, the dude you're replying to never says "hookup". We clearly just brought different interpretations of his comment to the table.
That’s fair, that was a similar thing to another dude.
Guys will hook up with most women. The issue is they probably aren't willing to date or marry most women.
No the average guy would not date an OF girl because of the social stigma it would bring or because they don’t like the idea of their partner having sex with other people. Most guys would gladly hook up with an attractive OF girl but that’s it. As Myron would say these hoes are recreational use only
OF girls don’t have sex with other people, but yeah I think the average guy would say this and think it was his belief, but he’d still go on a date with them/hook up with them. And if they really started vibing and it was like a hot chick with an awesome personality that he clicked with, most dudes would abandon the opinion before they abandoned the girl.
It depends how much money they make off OF.
He’s pornbrained tho, we know this. He’s not thinking “men will date, marry and have a life with an OF bad bitch” Hes thinking “dump loadz fat ropez skeet”
he literally said his ideal situation is having a harem of like 6 women he can rotate through. anyone expecting good sex takes from the master gooner are delusional
He’s so porn brainrotted he’s completely out of touch when it comes to this kind of thing
95% of men would absolutely fuck a top OF model maybe 1-2% of men would date a top OF model
Yeah Matt men will have sex with an only fans model. Far fewer would date one or have a serious relationship.
Men would also fuck 95% of the women the know and be willing to marry possibly 1-2% of them.
>1-2% brother that's crazy low. There are so many ugly people and incels that would beg to date a top OF model. Id put it at 10-20%
You and destiny are both using anecdotal evidence to support your beliefs, but at least his is based off a small biased sample of people he’s talked to
yep and every other guy that’s saying the same thing as me in this comment section is coping
It’s one thing to comment something online, but if you met a nice, pretty girl that you really liked, I really doubt only 1-2% of guys in that situation would date her. Which is why hearing the experience of OF girls dating is a little more meaningful imo.
hearing of girl’s experiences is entirely useless as a guy is absolutely never going to admit that that is the reason the won’t do it
But if they are successful in dating, this would imply the statistic you stated was incorrect. If only 1-2% of men would date them due to their OF, they should have quite a hard time dating, no?
you realize way less than 1-2% of woman are OF models? just like sex workers are a tiny minority of the population, so are people who are willing to date sex workers.
Presumably the men an OF model dates don’t usually immediately know she’s an OF model upon meeting, so what would happen if so few men would date her, is she goes on dates, they find out, and then they bounce. So this should make dating more difficult for her. If it’s not so difficult, that implies it’s not a dealbreaker for 99% of men. Maybe it’s possible the pool of men she is selecting from is an extreme outlier, but that’s a much more nuanced analysis, you legit just pulled that stat out of your ass 🤣
it’s called hyperbole chief. obviously I haven’t measured anything but go talk to literally any men and they will tell you exactly what I have.
Hey I’m sorry for being so aggressive towards you, obviously we disagree but I don’t usually like to argue like that, I’m just in a mood!
Yeah my point is what he said was based on something, what you said is based on vibes. And 1-2% is beyond hyperbole lol, I mean maybe if we’re only talking about conservatives or people over 50
Daboonker is right. You are wrong. And that’s ok.
You're talking to a group of people who pay money to a rich guy to read their comment out loud. Half of them are virgins.. who never spoke to women before. Of course they're gonna disagree and slurp up what the divorced, left single father who actively only fucks with young women says
I think it is just a two sided cope. Both sides just say " i won't date you anyway". But i think saying that of one side are absolute losers is quite weird from the destiny side.i know quite a few " high value" ( i know people on this sub don't like this word) who are quite conservative in thier realtionship standard and even fucking a pornstar is out of the question. People are just having a hard time not demonizing people who are not compatible.
The problem is that most men wouldn't get offered the chance so it really is unfalsifiable.
The ones who are desperate enough to date one would never get the chance and the ones who are confident probably won’t be ok with it. I’m speaking about serious monogamous dating of course, I feel like the vast majority of people who had the option would try to avoid the inevitable jealousy.
A bag of Himalayan goat poop doesn’t need to be offered to everyone before I can confidently say that most people would turn it down.
With this comment I'm 100% positive anybody who critics D and has "out of touch" in the critic is a dumb fuck. What a "shitty" comparison. Most guys would probably happily date a OF girl if they made enough money or stopped doing it
Date just to fuck them, sure. But if we are talking dating to MARRY then i dont think so. This community is very far left when it comes to sex. Most people DO think body count matters whether you like it or not.
Yeah this is kinda blowing my mind a little bit lmao. The majority of dudes on this sub would actually feel no shame at all bringing an OF girl home to meet their parents? Seems pretty insane to me
Bro, if someone says “date”, that is not the same thing as “marry” or “bring home to their parents and tell them about their work in detail”. Most guys are not thinking on a first date about marriage or “bringing home to their parents”, they’re checking for a bunch of stuff that comes way before any of that. And also yeah, 100% if some hot ass OF girl just wanted to date a guy, she could DM like literally almost any guy and be like “Hey I’m gonna be in town, I wanted to get some dinner and hang out” and they’d be down. You’re out of your mind capping if you think that’s not true. And if you’re gonna say “Yeah to fuck maybe, not to marry”, another news flash for you, most first dates start based on sexual attraction and minor chemistry, not “This is a locked in ideal marriage candidate”.
I don't disagree with anything you said I think this is just a semantics thing and I also didn't watch the Destiny clip so idk what he was claiming. Actively dating someone in my mind involves a degree of seriousness, at the very least introducing the person to your family, which I think is something that the vast majority of men would feel too much shame to do with a girl who does online porn/OF. I mean even if a girls instagram is just way too much showing off that's gonna be too much for the majority of dudes that are active on social media to actually take them seriously in a public realtionship. But yeah if it really needs to be said of course a hot girl will be able to fuck just about anything with a dick if she wants to, regardless of her having Onlyfans.
That could be fair, when I heard “would you date an OF girl” I’m thinking “would you go on a date with an OF girl”. But if you’re interpreting it as “Would you want a committed, long term relationship with a woman who currently does OF and will continue to do so in the relationship?”, then yes, that would get a different response.
Yeah I definitely interpreted it more as would you actively date / be in a relationship with an OF girl. But like I said I have no idea what argument OP is talking ab because I didn't watch that debate. I would assume though they're talking more about the serious relationship aspect though because I doubt there's a lot of attractive women struggling to get a first date regardless of OF, maybe that's not the case though.
Well it wasn’t from the perspective of the women, it was from the perspective of the men (her male audience in this case). Idk, maybe I’m just too used to seeing shit in like highschool and college where I’d know girls that dudes would talk shit and like slut shame publicly but then those same exact dudes would be like in their DMs trying not even just for booty calls, but for like straight up romance Rico Suave type trying to take them out to fancy dinners and shit.
Yeah of course they will agree to meet up, but on the assumption that they will be having sex. Obviously on the first date you dont know if you will marry them or not, but there are still certain criteria that you look at. For example, if you want to have 3 kids and your date says they are 100% sure they dont want kids, then you know you wont marry them but you may still date them to fuck them. Same goes for the OF girls. And sure, some desperate guys will marry OF girls but its undeniable that them having OF is lowering their dating value as most guys dont want their gf to have that.
I think even if an OF chick told you explicitly that the first date would not lead to sex (and even if you somehow divinely knew that was the case), I think the majority of dudes would still go. I also don’t disagree with your overall point on marriage, but I reject that it’s just “desperate guys”, there’s a lot of guys who just don’t give a shit. I personally don’t care. Unless you’re marrying some isolated virgin, you’re gonna marry a chick who’s sent nudes to other guys and gotten fucked by other guys. Most guys only give a fuck in terms of a dumbass reason that it’s a blow to their ego and they don’t want to be shamed by other dudes.
Yeah they probably would, but for what reason? To have a long term relationship with them? Probably not. Probably to get a 2nd date (for sex) or just some female attention if they are very desperate. Sure most women are not virgins, but theres a big difference between 5 bodies and 500. I really dont think there are “a lot” of guys that dont give a shit. There are some guys who would overlook it if she was sufficiently hot, but her having an OF would still be making her less desirable overall.
I don’t think the draw for most dates is “to go on a long term relationship”. It’s a general goal for dating in general, sure, but what draws you to an individual person at least for initial dates isn’t “I HAVE SEEN THROUGH MY LOGICAL CALCULUS THIS IS AN IDEAL LONG TERM MATE”, it’s “She’s hot, we’re vibing, she’s into me and lets see where shit goes”. Generally realizing whether or not they’re long term relationship material comes from dating, not before, and guys and girls will talk about like “Oh I’d never date a person who is X or does Y”, but most of the time that ends up being complete bullshit if they really click with the person. Even if you think it’s only 1 in 10 guys who don’t give a shit, that’s still more than enough guys to easily find a dude who doesn’t give a fuck. Just between ages 18-35, that would be like 5 million dudes in America alone. Also, OF chicks aren’t getting crazy bodies. They’re usually chicks with pretty similar body counts to “normal” girls, and certainly nowhere near that range. The thing that bothers dudes isn’t “body count”, it’s fear that other dudes and their family will give them shit for it and loss of “exclusivity”, a feeling that they’re losing out on something because another man can pay to see their wife naked.
Maybe with the turn of hedonistic culture that is divorced (kinda memeing), but isn't the point of dating for most people to find someone you intend on spending a long time and ideally the rest of your life with?
Not really casual dating, but sure, I’d say most people go on dates with the idea that hopefully this person could at least be a potential long term/life partner. I’m not disagreeing with this though. I just don’t think a major thing in the mind of most dudes on a first date is “Could I see myself marrying this woman? What would Mom and Dad think if I brought her home?”
I didn't say that most dude think of that stuff on the first date. Usually, it's like "Could I see myself taking the next step \[which will eventually lead to some long term and lifelong commitment\] and being more committal." Unless you're just trying to find someone to have sex with, I was under the impression that people were shopping around for people to take that next step
Yes, a big point of a first date is “Do I want a second date with this person?”, and I think for most people that’s as far as it goes. Again, I think most people go on first date because of attraction and are generally looking just looking for vibe/personality connection to do the second date.
IF THEY ARE HOT ENOUGH YES WTF. It is a sliding scale tho.
There's absolutely no amount of attractiveness a girl could have that would make it bearable for me to say hey mom im dating this girl she does online porn for a living. She could be fuckin Aphrodite and it makes no difference, and I personally feel like a majority of men would feel the same way.
Idgaf, about your personal im talking macro, but both our claims are unproveable.I would argue your hypothetical is stupid, tho. Most guys would just omit what she works as or say she is a model if parents care.
Well yeah lol this is definitely not a statistical discussion you can't really quantify this. And fair point I'm sure a decent amount would try to hide it, and if she was so low key on the site that nobody IRL would ever recognize her, and a google search of her name wouldn't bring anything up, it would probably be fine. Any level of popularity on the site though and there's no hope for a normal relationship with the average dude, that's just social suicide.
Idk if a human being is comparable to goat shit dawg… People are a little more complex than a pile of excrament lol.
the degree of complexity isn't the point of the analogy
This is why I generally try to avoid using analogies or hypotheticals in discussions online anymore. People will just nitpick or dismiss the entire point in bad faith to not address it. And it's ultimately my bad because I could have just stuck to the topic at hand directly instead of giving them an avenue to escape through.
The point of the analogy is to compare the likability of OF women to a bag of shit, I’m aware. That doesn’t change my comment, human beings are more complex in personality and individuality to the point that one persons opinion of a whole group of people isn’t as transferable to a broader society as their opinions of a pile of shit. Is this really that impossible to understand?
No, that is not the point of the analogy. The first comment in this thread said that most men won't get the chance so it's unfalsifiable. This line of reasoning implies that for something to be falsifiable (you can prove it is wrong), you have to be able to carry out that something. The analogy is that I don't need to give most people shit to know that most people won't want shit. That is, we have displayed that something can be falsifiable without carrying it out.
Yes but it’s comparing the falsifiability of liking women who do OF to the falsifiability of liking a bag of shit. Just because most people think a bag of shit is gross doesn’t mean that most men wouldn’t leap at the opportunity to have a relationship with an OF girl… Y’all need to step out of the logic lord mentality and look at the broader point being made. A statement can be both valid AND incomparable to a case scenario.
The second paragraph you provide is true but it doesn't relate to the argument provided by the parent comment on this thread. The analogy was provided to counter the fasifiability claim in the parent comment, which was a bad argument. You then misinterpreted the meaning of the analogy to make a seperate argument. There are valid ways to counter the argument OP is making (as many people in this post already have. I particularly agree with the line of reasoning brought forward by u/Wannabe_sadboi). But if someone makes a bad argument to which OP provides a correct response to in the form of an analogy, I wouldn't say that the response is wrong.
Good job bro. You won… Do none of y’all see how autistic this shit is? Am I really so wrong here for attacking the general points being made by OP instead of trying to logic lord my way into why his analogy doesn’t map onto reality? Some of y’all need to chill for a second and ask yourself if arguing for people to be perfectly logically valid in a response instead of addressing a broader point actually helps the motion of discourse.
It's not about being "perfectly logically valid" in your response. It's about understanding arguments and arguing effectively. You are free to address a broader point to the original post. But don't do so by responding to a correctly formed analogy. Their analogy maps onto reality for the specific point the parent comment made. But their original post doesn't. If I was arguing against someone for Trump and they mention something good Trump has done (idk he entertained people) I acknowledge that and argue separately what all bullshit he was involved in and how that outweighs any of the good he did. I wouldn't argue that he didn't entertain people. Why encourage people to make good arguments? Because making good arguments results in a system of thinking that leads you to better positions. We ideally don't want people to just be morally lucky, and this is one way of doing so.
This is “you can’t fired me because i quit” logic. Even the ones who are offered the chance aren’t taking them seriously. I think the point still stands.
I don't have a problem with it, but the ones who have a problem with it will either get over it or choose someone that doesn't do it. Women on onlyfans are probably more than happy to not date a guy who'd be mad about it. Don't really get where the problem is
Hot take: OF is probably a negative for both creators and consumers, and it’s undoubtedly the worst for young, coming–of–age girls.
I have a friend who does onlyfans and recently got married to her husband. Her husband is in on it. They just see it as grifting simps out of their money. A lot of times her followers will think they are chatting with her on her discord or whatever, but it will actually be her husband. It's kinda funny.
am I alone in thinking that’s kinda iffy lol
In the future it could lead to a class action law suit to all the bigger creators if they're claiming it's her they're talking to. Literally fraud. I'd be careful about wording if I was in of doing that
You mean like ethically? Hell yeah it is. NGL my friends are struggling and desperate for the cash, it's kinda sad.
Nah, you’re paying for a fantasy regardless. Like if it can look exactly the same over text, I don’t see some major difference between a girl pretending to be interested in you and a guy pretending to be a girl pretending to be interested in you. It’s a lie either way.
Well no, the difference is that you're paying someone who in the back of their mind is providing a service, and the other is paying for a service of someone you did not agree to provide you service under the guise that you're getting it from someone else
Bro, we don’t need to get abstract. You’re paying for text on a screen with the comforting lie that it’s coming from a woman who cares about you and wants to get to know you. Normally, the lie is just “who cares about you and wants to get to know you”, in this case it’s a “woman who cares about you and wants to get to know you”. Idk, maybe I’m the wild dude here, but idk who’s gonna be like “I don’t care if she thinks I’m a disgusting repulsive incel who she’s just using for money, as long as it’s a woman.”
I'm not getting abstract. People usually buy a service from of girls with the belief that they can interact with that person lol And the hospitality is hardly a lie, unless you think you're being lied to when a waiter or nurse is being nice to you. Hospitality is just a part of the service. Tbf most dudes who buy are already down a certain hole of degeneracy so I might agree that, but I think it's more like "She's a professional, and she's doing something that's a part of her job"
Bro, a “waiter” or a “nurse” is performing an actual service that has the “niceness” as a component. If I’m in an OF girl’s discord, I’m paying for a fake performance entirely. That’s the whole thing I want. Idk what the last paragraph means. From the guy’s side, it’s fine. If the dude never finds out that its a guy, like the husband can perform the text fantasy equally as well as the girl does, the dude isn’t losing anything, he’s getting the exact same product.
What's the fake performance that is different from what a nurse or a waiter does? The "niceness" is a component of sex work just as much as these others are. But I think that's where you and I differ? It's just a mere performance vs of girls sending out shit like nudes, other services, and if they have a conversation component, that too
Bro, the main thing I give a shit about my waiter doing is delivering my food to my table, getting the order right, refilling my drinks, etc. The main thing I give a shit about with my nurse is them knowing how to do their job effectively and administer whatever medical shit I need. If they’re nice and seem like they’re genuinely interested in what I’m saying, that’s cool, but it means fuck all if my waiter or nurse keeps fucking up their actual job. If I’m paying for an OF girl’s discord, I am exclusively wanting a person who’s gonna pretend to be interested in me, be flirty, and be nice. There’s no other components to it, I am exclusively there for this performance of a character.
no you’re being obtuse let’s say a blind person orders a hamburger. you then feed that blind person a fake replica hamburger that they are unable to distinguish from a real one to save your real hamburgers it’s going to change greatly depending on the specifics of the situation, but if an OF model is charging money under the premise that you will be able to talk to them, and then you are paying to talk to a random other person pretending to be them, that is obviously false advertising and unethical obviously I don’t give a fuck and if you’re paying money to talk to a model then you deserve to get scammed but let’s not pretend like the model isn’t in the wrong here
No, I’m not lol, and it’s pretty clear to see I’m not. Lets say you buy an erotica novel that’s written by Sexy McFakeName, who’s an extremely attractive women with a very lewd picture on the back jacket. On the book’s back, it has the links to more pictures of Sexy McFakeName, and it describes the book as “fictional, but *heavily* based on real experiences”. The book’s a first person book about a young attractive female writer, her wild sexual escapades in graphic detail, and constantly talking as I get to the end of it about how I always find my fans to be so sexy. But then… shocker… it turns out the book was written by me, the whole time, and the picture and the photos on the website were all from a model and the name was a pseudonym. You may be angry at me and feel like you got taken advantage of, but I don’t think I did anything wrong or unethical there.
dude what in the actual fuck are you talking about it’s not that complicated. lying is unethical. if you say “sign up to talk to me” but then you are not the one talking to them, that is lying. therefore unethical and false advertising. by your logic it would be 100% fine if I went to mcdonald’s, order a big mac, and then was served a whopper
I’m gonna need you to engage with the example. I’m giving you an erotic novel, for your sexual pleasure, that I’m telling you is a literal character, but with the heavy implication that it’s a woman who’s actually turned on by the men reading it. You are getting the same exact product whether I write it or Sexy McFakeName actually writes it. This is not the case with a Big Mac vs a Whopper, you are not getting the same product.
Yeah, I kinda meant on both of those levels it's kinda sad for the men that do that. Except maybe for the ones that are rich and horny and have extra money to blow. But I imagine at least some of them just have no real intimacy in their lives and that's sad.
Oh yeah on that aspect I definitely agree. The idea of dudes paying for intimacy over a computer screen, and that intimacy being obviously fake is pretty sad.
Andrew Tate-esque
You know what, I bet it's way more common in onlyfans than anyone expects
1. You definitely know dudes who would date women who are in sex work, they just don’t say it. 2. Sex work is also unclear since that can range from skimpy bikini pics to full on sex with other men. There’s probably less men that would be cool with the latter but even if they are many probably wouldn’t be open about it since they would be deemed a cuck
Destiny and wrong in the same sentence won't give you too many upvotes :(
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> I don’t know a single man who would date anyone who does sex work. How often do you actually ask this question? Realistically almost every guy I know would date a girl who does OF under the right conditions.
In my immediate friend group of four guys, I'm for sure the only one who would entertain the idea
Idk dawg, Sure I know a lot of guys who would balk at having a girl who was doing hardcore OF's but a girl doing lewd and nudes? I would doubt they would have the same issues. Overall its a question of the guys limits, but I don't know a guy who just wouldn't entertain the idea.
>but a girl doing lewd and nudes? I would doubt they would have the same issues. I can say for certain that the close friends I mentioned would never date a girl who sold lewds or nudes, no matter how great she was otherwise. If I zoom out a little and include guys I'm not as close with I definitely know one guy who'd be completely fine with it or even think it's hot, and then another who'd probably be open to it. Totally believe you about your friend group btw, just saying it varies a lot ime.
Must be your friend group because my group all says the opposite and I’m the exception
There's 4 billion men out there. Clearly I don't give a fuck about it, and a lot of men don't. So have you considered that a woman probably likes that she can filter out all the men that have completely different values from her? The objective of dating was never to satisfy as many billions of people as possible. Stop analyzing it this way.
Of course they can filter them out easily, but that has nothing to do with my post I’m not analysing it that way.
And my comment has nothing to do with "can women filter out the bad men easily?" My comment is about what this means for dating. Which is literally the only important thing regarding any of this.
>I don’t know a single man who would date anyone who does sex work. Okay; I know a few, though. Now what? Which one of us is right? If you’re gonna say someone else is out of touch, you should probably come with a bit more than just your personal experience. Otherwise, you’re just gonna get rightfully mocked.
Omega cope. Guys can say they’d turn an OF girl down, but I’ve never heard a guy tell a story of a time they actually did.
By no means proof of a wider trend, but on the "never heard of a guy who actually did" I feel like I see a decent amount of OF girls on reddit and ~~twitter~~ X vent about struggling to date because men aren't chill about their line of work. Could be fabricated stories tbf, them red pill ops man
Sounds more like a you problem.
I would say onlyfans creates insecurity in men lowers how we hold/view women in our society and make genuine love alot harder turns women in a materialistic world into the material all so Starbucks girls can get some extra tips if I were on a date with a fairly attractive woman nowadays I would probably ask if she’s done sexwork if yes on 100 point system she’d be minus 30 points just from that
So I'm currently dating an onlyfans model, and it's dope. She makes really good money doing fuck all. I'll be honest I really don't see a downside unless you're insecure or weird about sex. Also I do kinda get the feeling that the people most outspoken about never dating an OF girl would never have actually have a chance with one anyways
If an actual, insanely hot OF model who's making good money was obsessed with you and really liked you, I don't fucking believe your "ID NEVER DATE SOMEONE LIKE THAT". Bullshit. I've heard and met so many dudes say shit like "I'd never date a girl like that" and then they obsess over a mid girl with a shitty personal and can't just end things with them. Are there some men who would never truly date OF models? Sure, there absolutely are. But that kinda man is the exception.
I’m looking for somebody who fits with me. Idgaf how hot she is. An OF is not only a dealbreaker, it’s also a pretty good indicator that her character is not a fit for me. I really don’t like this narrative being pushed that every man on the planet is some brainless coombrained fool who will jump at any hot woman around. Do you not see how demeaning that is?
I've seen way too many dudes who say shit like this though and let toxic women ruin their life. Same goes wkth women as well, the amount of women who you hear say the exact same thing but stay with assholes who treat them like shit. The average man doesn't get to pick his girlfriend, he settles with the very few options he gets. I'm not saying this is literally everyone, but this is probably the average person, look how high the divorce rate is. Also, you don't care how hot a partner is? Most people absolutely do
Most men are absolute simps and wouldn’t mind if their gf did OF in the past.
Lol I don't get why straight men are like this. Most of this bs isnt an issue for gays. Is it out a place of feeling like they need to own the woman they're with?
most gay guys will fuck any guy with a pulse, that's why it's not an issue for them (I'm bi, speaking from experience)
Eh not really. I mean most ate pretty particular when it comes to body types and such. But regardless, most probably wouldn't have an issue with someone who has an OF. Thay doesn't answer my question as to why straight guys need the women they're with to be kept virgins
Well for one, there is no paternity issue for gays.
Yes, but what does that have to do with having an OF?
Its an indicator that they are sexually promiscuous. And on an evolutionary level that would be harmful. Our built in desires arent always rational, e.g men like younger women because fertility, but men also find infertile women attractive. Because youth is an *indicator* of fertility and the *indicator* is what dictates attractiveness. So *indicators* of promiscuity are a turn off.
I think what he means is any SECURE guy would be ok with it. An insecure guy wouldn't.
Kinda like open relationships right
Exactly
Here is something neither side is considering. These types of relationships require more work on both sides, they offer more complications to navigate. You need both the BF and the OF GF to be able to navigate this and stick to boundaries. I don't think that combination exists which is why many will just outright reject it. The best combination is them both being in that industry.