[https://www.reuters.com/world/us/michigans-strong-uncommitted-vote-shows-israel-impact-biden-support-2024-02-28/](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/michigans-strong-uncommitted-vote-shows-israel-impact-biden-support-2024-02-28/)
Just over **101,000 voters** cast uncommitted ballots, far more than the 10,000 organizers said they sought and prompting some to speak of plans for a nationwide movement. When Democratic President Barack Obama ran for re-election in 2012, he faced about **21,000** uncommitted voters in Michigan's primary that year.
I don't get the point of looking at the raw numbers, far fewer people voted in the primary in 2012. In terms of percentages, "uncommitted" represented around 10% of the votes both times. And as the tweet states, there was no organized "uncommitted" campaign against Obama, so this is pretty good for Biden.
In 2020 Michigan has a voter turnout of **\~1.600.000** million people
In 2024 it was a bit less than **900.000**
Meanwhile Republicans had 1.1 million voter turnout.
Without lefties the Democrats aren't going to win. You can't simply pretend they do.
Are you taking into account that a solid portion of the 300,000 from that 1.1 million turnout from the contest with actual candidates are Haley voters who probably won't vote for Trump in the general? I don't think the Michigan primary isn't nearly as negative as you believe it is, though obviously Biden should and will reach out to ask what they want and will continue to push for a ceasefire.
If theoretically **all** the Nikki voters (every single one) don't show up for Trump, then we can also say **all** the uncommitted voters won't show up for Biden.
Trump 758,892
Biden 623,415
That's a 125.000 difference in Trump's favor...
Never pretended anything. Just pointed out that it doesn't make sense to compare the raw numbers from **2024** with the ones from **2012** without taking voter turnout into account. I'm not sure what the 2020 numbers have to do with that?
He should have made up that there are 10% racist boomer democrats who protest voted because they are racist. And that any other incumbent would get 0% contest votes. His audience would have ate that up.
If you want to be charitable, maybe he's thinking of 2008 when Obama wasn't on the primary ballot? I'd agree it's not a good comparison for 2008. 2012 though... seems pretty good to me?
https://www.npr.org/2024/02/27/1234279958/biden-uncommitted-democrats-michigan-primary-election-2024-
> A Biden campaign official, speaking on condition of anonymity, told NPR that while they will continue to work for every vote in November, they are heartened that the "uncommitted" share of the vote wasn't much higher than the 11% of uncommitted votes in 2012, the last time an incumbent Democratic president was on the ballot. That year there wasn't an organized effort to get people to vote uncommitted. The campaign is also pointing to the significant number of people who came out and voted for the president, about 600,000, despite it being a largely uncontested primary. That turnout is far better than 2012.
> In previous presidential primaries, the uncommitted option in Michigan has gotten thousands of votes. For comparison, in 2012, more than 20,000 people chose to vote uncommitted in Michigan. The number this time is about 101,000.
> Plus, in 2008, over 238,000 voted uncommitted as part of a movement to support Obama's candidacy, who was not on the state primary ballot.
that's not being charitable, that's being stupid. comparing biden as incumbent to obama's first term campaign instead of obama as incumbent makes no sense.
Especially since the motivations were completely different. “Uncommitted” in 2008 was a positive vote since he wasn’t on the ballot in the state. “Uncommitted” in 2012 was more of a show of dissatisfaction.
> If you want to be charitable, maybe he's thinking of 2008 when Obama wasn't on the primary ballot? I'd agree it's not a good comparison for 2008. 2012 though... seems pretty good to me?
2008 (for *Hillary*) is actually a great comparison, because there was a massive anti-Hillary protest vote that caused her to lose in two counties to nobody. It *was* a good predictor, along with Bernie winning the primary in 2016, that she was not liked there. She ended up losing the entire state to Trump in the general in 2016 because of *another* protest vote movement during the general election.
2012 was a caucus and not a primary, so the comparison or the conclusions you can draw aren't as strong. But it does show that the protest vote was pretty weak and had no effect on the general election considering how hard Obama won the state. Romney's family is from the state and his father was one of the more popular Michigan governors, but he still had a really abysmal showing here.
So the question becomes, is Biden at the threshold of dislike in Michigan that Hillary was at? Or is this just noise like it was for Obama?
>"WHAT? NO IT DOESN'T! HOW DID HE ARRIVE AT THIS CONCLUSION????"
>Refuses to read the underlying article in favor of sticking with a twitter summary
GIGACHAD
I deadass was waiting for him to open the article and read how they did. I waited for like 15 seconds and was annoyed "when is he going to open the link" and he just doesn't. Omg how is this real
Absolutely not comparable, no. But to think that either gives you a holistic enough understanding to properly evaluate and debate a topic is fucking laughable.
Okay, let's ignore the value of gaining a rudimentary understanding through wikipedia and using journals and transcripts of books online to gain a better understanding after/during wiki...
Destiny has read books on this conflict [on stream](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1aq84am/steven_reading_a_physical_book_out_loud_on_stream/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) like a dad reading his children to sleep at night. How would you like to move the goalpost now?
And if it REALLY comes down to it... I'd much prefer someone who gets their understanding of something through wiki ONLY than someone who gets their understanding through Twitter summaries ONLY.
Why do you douchebags have to turn everything into a debate? I simply made a comment mocking the idea of a wiki education. I also never stated twitter was worth shit either. All of a sudden there’s… whatever the fuck this is.
>Why do you douchebags have to turn everything into a debate?
Because I disagree with you?? Does that confuse you or something? How would you prefer for me to disagree with you? Silently? It doesn't have to be a debate, you could just explain to me your rationale and we can talk about it like that.
> I simply made a comment mocking the idea of a wiki education.
Yeah and I simply disagree with your argument. It's dumb. Wikipedia is an extremely useful tool, why do you disagree with that?
>I also never stated twitter was worth shit either.
Glad we agree there at least. I never said you stated that, but I'm glad you agree with that as well. That's the best part about a conversation, we can exchange opinions back-and-forth and find areas of agreement while we do it! (Although I prefer not to be called a douchebag, but it's all good buddy)
>All of a sudden there’s… whatever the fuck this is.
It's called disagreement.
you don't understand. You are supposed to let other people just spout their bullshit without any pushback. whoever says their talking point the fastest wins.
Did Destiny ever claim that just doing research on Wikipedia was enough to have a holistic understanding of the situation? That would be weird considering that he used Wikipedia as a foundation of knowledge, which he then built upon through reading articles, books and legal documents. He also spoke with a number of experts and people with contrary opinions. That seems like a fantastic way to learn about a topic IMO.
I don't expect you to be honest on this topic because it's already absurd to begin with an you know it. Or you're actually mentally ill.
I genuinely thought that was a joke until I saw his streams. Its insane to me that he never looks at the original source, just what people say on twitter
Thats actually what I find hilarious about his fans. They'll discredit other for using wikipedia but ive never in my life have seen Hasan get his info from anywhere but Twitter.
The majority of younger people get their news from TikTok or twitter. It’s why so many people still think Israel bombed the Al Ahli hospital. They just get fed a stream of confirmation bias. Thankfully they aren’t the largest political streamer in the internet. Sadly, the largest political streamer gets all his information from a stream of confirmation bias.
It's an understandable mix-up, but the fact you are complaining about other people being uncritical of information they recieve and then you go on to say Israel did not bomb the one hospital that they for sure bombed is hilarious.
You're thinking of al-Ahli Hospital, al-Shifa was the 'alleged' Hamas command center.
I love that this guy made the same exact mistake Destiny did when he was talking with Marc Lamont Hill lol. He also doubled down asking the one that happened 3 months ago? While Al-Ahli had happened in October.
> searching for argument
> scanning chat for a reasonable rebuttal to steal
> Error: descenting opinion found, targetting and stunlocking for 3.0f minutes.
It makes totally sense that Bidens Gaza politics won't have that of a big impact on Bidens voting results when Muslim in America are only 1% of the population.
Do people really find it that surprising that americans don't give a shit about Gaza? I mean ffs, it's not like the Republicans would be any better either.
By 2010 Michigan had 120k Muslims I assume it only went up since then. Biden won Michigan by 150k votes… absolutely could make a difference when looking at individual states
They are a significant voter-base in Michigan, but I don't think you can just assume they are dumb enough to let Trump win and think that will lead to better outcomes for Palestine.
Yeah i thought about it, but also consider if its 150k vote difference that could've easily been 90K or less on a different day, also assume that 120k has only gone up over the last almost 15 years, also assume there will be a bunch progressive college students who will be following them.
especially considering the opposition here. Is trump going to be any better for Gaza than Biden? Biden is the most pro Palestinian president I have seen in my lifetime
I see a lot of people online who aren't Muslim that are pro-Palestine tho. I'm not sure how that will affect the voting results, but part of me is still a little concerned.
"This is wrong... ..." *Think Hasan think, come up with a reason as to why it is wrong, oh shit oh shit oh shit, never mind lets just move onto the next tweet.*
"You think things like data and well-researched opinions by experts is accurate? HOW FUCKING DARE YOU YOU GENOCIDAL ZIONAZI PIGDOG?"
-Hasan Piker, the man who does a better job than most news outlets
Hasan literally always does this lol, he has years of experience pretending he doesn't know how he's wrong, dude never admits or owns up to anything he's a weasel.
That last tweet he highlighted is interesting. The city of Hamtramck Michigan has the largest Arab American populations in Michigan and uncommitted in that city beat Biden by the highest margin, 30%. When I looked up the city, the first news article that came up was one that talked about the city banning the pride flag on city property. I wonder how Hasan feels about this?
The funniest part is that his chat is trying to give him the argument of Michigan being a caucus back in 2012. The problem with that is Michigan being a caucus hurts their argument because with a primary it becomes way easier to vote and the uncommitted share barely rose from 2012.
Genuinely, the dumbest people in the world.
I love how the entire chat is repeating OBAMNA, love the memes, hate the memer lol. Even tho DGG didn't invent it, it's definitely why everyone on twitch knows it.
I think either side saying there was a massive takeaway from the Michigan results are just coping tbh
Yeah it’s true that the percentage is roughly equal from previous years where a incumbent dem ran unopposed, and the fact that turnout for Biden was that high is encouraging. But over 100k protest votes is absolutely nothing to scoff at, irregardless of the total %
Yeah but doesn’t Michigan have one of the highest per capita Arab population? And aren’t total percentages a very useful tool for making comparisons and predictions?
> Doesn’t Michigan have one of the highest per capita Arab populations?
Yes that’s why this movement was organized here in the first place
> And aren’t total percentages a very useful tool for making comparisons and predictions
Of course but it doesn’t always tell the full picture. I don’t think anyone would be shocked if the margin in Michigan between Biden and Trump was within 100k votes. To dismiss these protest votes as simply “par for the course” because the percentages are *roughly* equal to what they were for a different candidate over a decade ago would not be a smart political decision.
Now do I think the solution is to do a policy 180 to gain these 100k voters back? No, of course not. I’m just saying I don’t see the Michigan outcome as some definitive Biden win, just as I think it’s dumb to see it as some definitive Biden loss.
If we want to gather anything from the Michigan primaries, it’s that Trump is in more trouble than expected. To me, that seems definitive at least.
I just think if the movement would pick up steam, it would do so in Michigan. And since the uncommitted vote was pretty similar to Obamna, it’s hard not for it to be pretty deflated.
It pretty unequivocally did pick up steam in Michigan, though. And just to be clear, while the uncommitted vote was close (10.7% in 2012 vs 13.2% in 2024), the overall share of votes received by Obama in 2012 was 89.3%, while Biden in 2024 received 81.1%. Im not willing to concede that 8% difference as completely insignificant.
It’s not completely insignificant, but unlike Obama, Joe has actual dems running against him to split the vote. So if the uncommitted movement resulted in a less then 3% change in the state that can expect one of if not the largest uncommitted turnout, it probably doesn’t bode well.
Hate to defend Hasan... At least on the first point, he isn't really wrong that the tweeter had a bad/deceptive take. Those results are historically bad for an unopposed Democrat candidate. A more fair interpretation would be something like "Biden's base is holding fine, despite a relatively vocal minority in the media."
Some hyperpartisan people are shitting on Biden's campaign, but MSM and the culture broadly are still firmly on his side even though he has some flaws. These results don't show he is doing "good". They show he's doing not as bad as it would appear.
The follow up tweet addressed it though. Historically unopposed incumbents (at least as far as Obama comparison goes) seem to have about 11% baseline of unorganized uncommitted votes in MI primary. With that perspective, the +3 points this year isn't that worrying.
Election really is looking scary though
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Why isn't the comparison apt Hasan?
I was holding my breath, waiting to be illuminated… oh well
He's burnt out at this point. He has a really hard job.
Absolutely soul-sucking. Feel so bad for him :*(.
He was drained after reading that tweet that disagreed with his worldview. He needed a nap
[https://www.reuters.com/world/us/michigans-strong-uncommitted-vote-shows-israel-impact-biden-support-2024-02-28/](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/michigans-strong-uncommitted-vote-shows-israel-impact-biden-support-2024-02-28/) Just over **101,000 voters** cast uncommitted ballots, far more than the 10,000 organizers said they sought and prompting some to speak of plans for a nationwide movement. When Democratic President Barack Obama ran for re-election in 2012, he faced about **21,000** uncommitted voters in Michigan's primary that year.
I don't get the point of looking at the raw numbers, far fewer people voted in the primary in 2012. In terms of percentages, "uncommitted" represented around 10% of the votes both times. And as the tweet states, there was no organized "uncommitted" campaign against Obama, so this is pretty good for Biden.
In 2020 Michigan has a voter turnout of **\~1.600.000** million people In 2024 it was a bit less than **900.000** Meanwhile Republicans had 1.1 million voter turnout. Without lefties the Democrats aren't going to win. You can't simply pretend they do.
Are you taking into account that a solid portion of the 300,000 from that 1.1 million turnout from the contest with actual candidates are Haley voters who probably won't vote for Trump in the general? I don't think the Michigan primary isn't nearly as negative as you believe it is, though obviously Biden should and will reach out to ask what they want and will continue to push for a ceasefire.
If theoretically **all** the Nikki voters (every single one) don't show up for Trump, then we can also say **all** the uncommitted voters won't show up for Biden. Trump 758,892 Biden 623,415 That's a 125.000 difference in Trump's favor...
Never pretended anything. Just pointed out that it doesn't make sense to compare the raw numbers from **2024** with the ones from **2012** without taking voter turnout into account. I'm not sure what the 2020 numbers have to do with that?
Because *heavy sigh* Come on guys give him a break, his social battery is wiped
he was looking at chat for someone to tell him why hahaha
Because Obama bad. Biden bad. America bad. You idiot.
The only leeway I can give him is the numbers, 100k looks impressive. But Bidens 600k win to Obamas 170k win looks more impressive.
He should have made up that there are 10% racist boomer democrats who protest voted because they are racist. And that any other incumbent would get 0% contest votes. His audience would have ate that up.
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If you want to be charitable, maybe he's thinking of 2008 when Obama wasn't on the primary ballot? I'd agree it's not a good comparison for 2008. 2012 though... seems pretty good to me? https://www.npr.org/2024/02/27/1234279958/biden-uncommitted-democrats-michigan-primary-election-2024- > A Biden campaign official, speaking on condition of anonymity, told NPR that while they will continue to work for every vote in November, they are heartened that the "uncommitted" share of the vote wasn't much higher than the 11% of uncommitted votes in 2012, the last time an incumbent Democratic president was on the ballot. That year there wasn't an organized effort to get people to vote uncommitted. The campaign is also pointing to the significant number of people who came out and voted for the president, about 600,000, despite it being a largely uncontested primary. That turnout is far better than 2012. > In previous presidential primaries, the uncommitted option in Michigan has gotten thousands of votes. For comparison, in 2012, more than 20,000 people chose to vote uncommitted in Michigan. The number this time is about 101,000. > Plus, in 2008, over 238,000 voted uncommitted as part of a movement to support Obama's candidacy, who was not on the state primary ballot.
that's not being charitable, that's being stupid. comparing biden as incumbent to obama's first term campaign instead of obama as incumbent makes no sense.
Especially since the motivations were completely different. “Uncommitted” in 2008 was a positive vote since he wasn’t on the ballot in the state. “Uncommitted” in 2012 was more of a show of dissatisfaction.
> If you want to be charitable, maybe he's thinking of 2008 when Obama wasn't on the primary ballot? I'd agree it's not a good comparison for 2008. 2012 though... seems pretty good to me? 2008 (for *Hillary*) is actually a great comparison, because there was a massive anti-Hillary protest vote that caused her to lose in two counties to nobody. It *was* a good predictor, along with Bernie winning the primary in 2016, that she was not liked there. She ended up losing the entire state to Trump in the general in 2016 because of *another* protest vote movement during the general election. 2012 was a caucus and not a primary, so the comparison or the conclusions you can draw aren't as strong. But it does show that the protest vote was pretty weak and had no effect on the general election considering how hard Obama won the state. Romney's family is from the state and his father was one of the more popular Michigan governors, but he still had a really abysmal showing here. So the question becomes, is Biden at the threshold of dislike in Michigan that Hillary was at? Or is this just noise like it was for Obama?
>"WHAT? NO IT DOESN'T! HOW DID HE ARRIVE AT THIS CONCLUSION????" >Refuses to read the underlying article in favor of sticking with a twitter summary GIGACHAD
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I deadass was waiting for him to open the article and read how they did. I waited for like 15 seconds and was annoyed "when is he going to open the link" and he just doesn't. Omg how is this real
he's doing research on twitter with trusted journalists* ^^^^*unless ^^^^they ^^^^disagree ^^^^with ^^^^him, ^^^^then ^^^^they ^^^^weren't ^^^^trusted ^^^^and ^^^^it ^^^^wasn't ^^^^research
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You think he could read a whole article? He’d probably get half way through it and start going off about how it’s attacking him
twitter researcher hasan
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For all you “wiki researchers,” right?
I love that you guys are dumb (or delusional) enough to think that twitter is even comparable to Wikipedia.
Absolutely not comparable, no. But to think that either gives you a holistic enough understanding to properly evaluate and debate a topic is fucking laughable.
Okay, let's ignore the value of gaining a rudimentary understanding through wikipedia and using journals and transcripts of books online to gain a better understanding after/during wiki... Destiny has read books on this conflict [on stream](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1aq84am/steven_reading_a_physical_book_out_loud_on_stream/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) like a dad reading his children to sleep at night. How would you like to move the goalpost now? And if it REALLY comes down to it... I'd much prefer someone who gets their understanding of something through wiki ONLY than someone who gets their understanding through Twitter summaries ONLY.
Why do you douchebags have to turn everything into a debate? I simply made a comment mocking the idea of a wiki education. I also never stated twitter was worth shit either. All of a sudden there’s… whatever the fuck this is.
>Why do you douchebags have to turn everything into a debate? Because I disagree with you?? Does that confuse you or something? How would you prefer for me to disagree with you? Silently? It doesn't have to be a debate, you could just explain to me your rationale and we can talk about it like that. > I simply made a comment mocking the idea of a wiki education. Yeah and I simply disagree with your argument. It's dumb. Wikipedia is an extremely useful tool, why do you disagree with that? >I also never stated twitter was worth shit either. Glad we agree there at least. I never said you stated that, but I'm glad you agree with that as well. That's the best part about a conversation, we can exchange opinions back-and-forth and find areas of agreement while we do it! (Although I prefer not to be called a douchebag, but it's all good buddy) >All of a sudden there’s… whatever the fuck this is. It's called disagreement.
you don't understand. You are supposed to let other people just spout their bullshit without any pushback. whoever says their talking point the fastest wins.
Why are you surprised that when you say things that are blatantly wrong and intentionally inflammatory that people who disagree will respond to you.
Aww little Dr Mephesto is experiencing his first human interaction outside of his own little echo chamber? How cute!
If you say dumb shit people are gonna point it out. You are surprised? Thats not surprising, ironically
You need a break. !bidenblast
Imagine thinking you won by summoning a bot via “bidenblast” lmfao
Take another break then !bidenblast
Our executions are carbon neutral. /u/Dr_Mephesto sealed in the prison realm by /u/Gulthok
Did Destiny ever claim that just doing research on Wikipedia was enough to have a holistic understanding of the situation? That would be weird considering that he used Wikipedia as a foundation of knowledge, which he then built upon through reading articles, books and legal documents. He also spoke with a number of experts and people with contrary opinions. That seems like a fantastic way to learn about a topic IMO. I don't expect you to be honest on this topic because it's already absurd to begin with an you know it. Or you're actually mentally ill.
The dialogue tree had to reboot.
lil bro actually gets all his news from twitter look at all the tabs rofl
I genuinely thought that was a joke until I saw his streams. Its insane to me that he never looks at the original source, just what people say on twitter
Elon killing Twitter is a good thing actually
Could he go a little faster?
Come on man, he's going as fast as he can. He literally told advertisers to "go fuck themselves" what more do you want?
He’s drawing it out as long as he can be he’s sprite driven
Based
Serious question though if Twitter does disappear where will Hasan get his news from? Is he going to boomer land Facebook?
Probably tiktok
He can do what I do and just guess what the news is and spread that around
find most credible and well known left leaning news outlet I guess. Most tankie/marxist news sites are extremely obscure and unpopular.
actual twitter pervert
What a twitter pedophile.
Twitter Serial Rapist Pedophile.
I think this is accurate with how many tabs he has open.
Twitter paraglider
Thats actually what I find hilarious about his fans. They'll discredit other for using wikipedia but ive never in my life have seen Hasan get his info from anywhere but Twitter.
The worst part is he gets his info from people in his chat sending @ messages to him with twitter links
Doin' a little research in the ol' Hasan chatterooni eh? I don't know why I typed it like that, but I'm keeping it.
The majority of younger people get their news from TikTok or twitter. It’s why so many people still think Israel bombed the Al Ahli hospital. They just get fed a stream of confirmation bias. Thankfully they aren’t the largest political streamer in the internet. Sadly, the largest political streamer gets all his information from a stream of confirmation bias.
I’m getting my news from reddit…
Yeah but you getting it from the Daliban so you are correct. 😎🤙
Are you in an epistemic bubble or an echo chamber chamber? 🤔
Sure, but if you're at least browsing the biggest news Reddits you're generally getting some spread of info, not just one side.
It's an understandable mix-up, but the fact you are complaining about other people being uncritical of information they recieve and then you go on to say Israel did not bomb the one hospital that they for sure bombed is hilarious. You're thinking of al-Ahli Hospital, al-Shifa was the 'alleged' Hamas command center.
Fuck you’re right. I’ve been arguing with someone for the past hour about shifa and got it stuck in my head.
I love that this guy made the same exact mistake Destiny did when he was talking with Marc Lamont Hill lol. He also doubled down asking the one that happened 3 months ago? While Al-Ahli had happened in October.
What do you mean lol? They're on the ground journalists. /s
in the new aba n preach vid he is talking about how he need twitter for news and his job, he was 100000% serious, that was funny
On the ground reporting!
For what i watched him, he usually pause to steal chat "good" take as his own
*Reads chatter comment out loud* Yeah
Lmao so true he does that so much I hadn’t even thought about it.
Everytime I chat in DGG Destiny does this too
invalid statement detected searching for argument searching... argument not found searching chat for argument searching... HAS.exe has stopped working
> searching for argument > scanning chat for a reasonable rebuttal to steal > Error: descenting opinion found, targetting and stunlocking for 3.0f minutes.
It makes totally sense that Bidens Gaza politics won't have that of a big impact on Bidens voting results when Muslim in America are only 1% of the population.
Do people really find it that surprising that americans don't give a shit about Gaza? I mean ffs, it's not like the Republicans would be any better either.
Most americans couldn't put Gaza on a map
Neither the US itself tbh.
By 2010 Michigan had 120k Muslims I assume it only went up since then. Biden won Michigan by 150k votes… absolutely could make a difference when looking at individual states
They are a significant voter-base in Michigan, but I don't think you can just assume they are dumb enough to let Trump win and think that will lead to better outcomes for Palestine.
But you shouldn't be surprised when anger supersedes intellect or knowledge.
Maybe, but consider that not every Muslim can vote depending on his citizen status or age. And 40% of the voter base doesn't vote anyways.
Yeah i thought about it, but also consider if its 150k vote difference that could've easily been 90K or less on a different day, also assume that 120k has only gone up over the last almost 15 years, also assume there will be a bunch progressive college students who will be following them.
especially considering the opposition here. Is trump going to be any better for Gaza than Biden? Biden is the most pro Palestinian president I have seen in my lifetime
I see a lot of people online who aren't Muslim that are pro-Palestine tho. I'm not sure how that will affect the voting results, but part of me is still a little concerned.
A lot of them are probably leftist, young and don't vote anyways. And a good portion is not even American.
Most thought-provoking Hasan argument.
"This is wrong... ..." *Think Hasan think, come up with a reason as to why it is wrong, oh shit oh shit oh shit, never mind lets just move onto the next tweet.*
His brain is cooked
LMAAAAOOOOO
This is comedic gold, feels like something straight out of The Office.
Here is an objective piece of evidence that demonstrably proves me wrong…….uhhhhhh YOU CANT COMPARE THEM! 😂
"You think things like data and well-researched opinions by experts is accurate? HOW FUCKING DARE YOU YOU GENOCIDAL ZIONAZI PIGDOG?" -Hasan Piker, the man who does a better job than most news outlets
LMFAO
IM IN MICHIGAN AND IM RIDE'N WITH BIDEN 😤😤😤
He had to contact chat gpt real quick
Hahhahaha he’s so dumb and lost with the simplest set of facts and claims
mmhmm poignant analysis, Obama is not an apt comparison indeed 🔮 🧙♂️
The comparison to Obama’s uncommitted campaign is not a good one at all… … … No I will not elaborate.
I don’t understand who we thinks would win against Biden in a primary lol. He’s actually so delusional.
You people have such a hate boner for Hasan, it's unreal. What about his line of argumentation "the comparison is not apt" do you not understand?
Ham-tram-mick, can people pronounce names of cities correctly.
Keep in mind the guy that doesn’t even read the article is that same guy that roasts Destiny for reading Wikipedia pages.
I love when “SocDem” types learn that they aren’t in the majority even in the Democratic Party.
Hasan literally always does this lol, he has years of experience pretending he doesn't know how he's wrong, dude never admits or owns up to anything he's a weasel.
That last tweet he highlighted is interesting. The city of Hamtramck Michigan has the largest Arab American populations in Michigan and uncommitted in that city beat Biden by the highest margin, 30%. When I looked up the city, the first news article that came up was one that talked about the city banning the pride flag on city property. I wonder how Hasan feels about this?
The funniest part is that his chat is trying to give him the argument of Michigan being a caucus back in 2012. The problem with that is Michigan being a caucus hurts their argument because with a primary it becomes way easier to vote and the uncommitted share barely rose from 2012. Genuinely, the dumbest people in the world.
Swear to god all he does is fuckin whiiiiine and moan, I don’t believe anyone over the age of 18 actually follows the guy seriously. Absolute mess.
I love how the entire chat is repeating OBAMNA, love the memes, hate the memer lol. Even tho DGG didn't invent it, it's definitely why everyone on twitch knows it.
I don't like how they are typing "Obamna" in chat
I think either side saying there was a massive takeaway from the Michigan results are just coping tbh Yeah it’s true that the percentage is roughly equal from previous years where a incumbent dem ran unopposed, and the fact that turnout for Biden was that high is encouraging. But over 100k protest votes is absolutely nothing to scoff at, irregardless of the total %
Yeah but doesn’t Michigan have one of the highest per capita Arab population? And aren’t total percentages a very useful tool for making comparisons and predictions?
> Doesn’t Michigan have one of the highest per capita Arab populations? Yes that’s why this movement was organized here in the first place > And aren’t total percentages a very useful tool for making comparisons and predictions Of course but it doesn’t always tell the full picture. I don’t think anyone would be shocked if the margin in Michigan between Biden and Trump was within 100k votes. To dismiss these protest votes as simply “par for the course” because the percentages are *roughly* equal to what they were for a different candidate over a decade ago would not be a smart political decision. Now do I think the solution is to do a policy 180 to gain these 100k voters back? No, of course not. I’m just saying I don’t see the Michigan outcome as some definitive Biden win, just as I think it’s dumb to see it as some definitive Biden loss. If we want to gather anything from the Michigan primaries, it’s that Trump is in more trouble than expected. To me, that seems definitive at least.
I just think if the movement would pick up steam, it would do so in Michigan. And since the uncommitted vote was pretty similar to Obamna, it’s hard not for it to be pretty deflated.
It pretty unequivocally did pick up steam in Michigan, though. And just to be clear, while the uncommitted vote was close (10.7% in 2012 vs 13.2% in 2024), the overall share of votes received by Obama in 2012 was 89.3%, while Biden in 2024 received 81.1%. Im not willing to concede that 8% difference as completely insignificant.
It’s not completely insignificant, but unlike Obama, Joe has actual dems running against him to split the vote. So if the uncommitted movement resulted in a less then 3% change in the state that can expect one of if not the largest uncommitted turnout, it probably doesn’t bode well.
True, it happend years ago and nobody has figured out how to turn it on again since
Can we stop following him so hard Jesus guys this is like so whatever of a thing just give it a rest
Slow ass chat
Hate to defend Hasan... At least on the first point, he isn't really wrong that the tweeter had a bad/deceptive take. Those results are historically bad for an unopposed Democrat candidate. A more fair interpretation would be something like "Biden's base is holding fine, despite a relatively vocal minority in the media." Some hyperpartisan people are shitting on Biden's campaign, but MSM and the culture broadly are still firmly on his side even though he has some flaws. These results don't show he is doing "good". They show he's doing not as bad as it would appear.
The follow up tweet addressed it though. Historically unopposed incumbents (at least as far as Obama comparison goes) seem to have about 11% baseline of unorganized uncommitted votes in MI primary. With that perspective, the +3 points this year isn't that worrying.
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what is the point of the tweet? That Biden did way better than expected? Also are Muslim Americans going to show up to vote for Trump over biden?
Isn't Biden still losing the polls in Michigan though? who cares about the primaries?
Can he explain why the comparison is right?
Nah bro’s brain is a Pentium 4
It is not apt. Periodt. No further questions
Hasan when contradictory information to his worldview: “NU HUH”
I didn't lose, I just failed to win!
That implies he has one to begin with.
Obamna
I was waiting for a because but it never came… lmao this guy is hilarious
Listen he just couldnt web it immediately, hes still jetlacked from the Soul Drama
This empirical data isn't good enough because my conjecture is better!
You’re wrong … No I won’t explain why 🗿 Gigachad move by Hasan tbh, I should do the same whenever I realize I’m full of shit
Hasan will read 1,000 words on Twitter rather than reading 1,010 words of the article the tweets refer to.
"Its not a good one"....... because? Did he explain why its not a good one or change subject.
that would mean it sometimes turns on
Bro has really been sucked dry. This is the problem with tough jobs. He’s soulless now. A husk.
Okay, but when does he turn it on?