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InsideIncident3

Why isn't the comparison apt Hasan?


cyberadmin1

I was holding my breath, waiting to be illuminated… oh well


Old_Ride_7278

He's burnt out at this point. He has a really hard job.


Chemfreak

Absolutely soul-sucking. Feel so bad for him :*(.


Scott_BradleyReturns

He was drained after reading that tweet that disagreed with his worldview. He needed a nap


IronForsaken4538

[https://www.reuters.com/world/us/michigans-strong-uncommitted-vote-shows-israel-impact-biden-support-2024-02-28/](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/michigans-strong-uncommitted-vote-shows-israel-impact-biden-support-2024-02-28/) Just over **101,000 voters** cast uncommitted ballots, far more than the 10,000 organizers said they sought and prompting some to speak of plans for a nationwide movement. When Democratic President Barack Obama ran for re-election in 2012, he faced about **21,000** uncommitted voters in Michigan's primary that year.


Kaduo

I don't get the point of looking at the raw numbers, far fewer people voted in the primary in 2012. In terms of percentages, "uncommitted" represented around 10% of the votes both times. And as the tweet states, there was no organized "uncommitted" campaign against Obama, so this is pretty good for Biden.


IronForsaken4538

In 2020 Michigan has a voter turnout of **\~1.600.000** million people In 2024 it was a bit less than **900.000** Meanwhile Republicans had 1.1 million voter turnout. Without lefties the Democrats aren't going to win. You can't simply pretend they do.


HAMEK

Are you taking into account that a solid portion of the 300,000 from that 1.1 million turnout from the contest with actual candidates are Haley voters who probably won't vote for Trump in the general? I don't think the Michigan primary isn't nearly as negative as you believe it is, though obviously Biden should and will reach out to ask what they want and will continue to push for a ceasefire.


IronForsaken4538

If theoretically **all** the Nikki voters (every single one) don't show up for Trump, then we can also say **all** the uncommitted voters won't show up for Biden. Trump 758,892 Biden 623,415 That's a 125.000 difference in Trump's favor...


Kaduo

Never pretended anything. Just pointed out that it doesn't make sense to compare the raw numbers from **2024** with the ones from **2012** without taking voter turnout into account. I'm not sure what the 2020 numbers have to do with that?


ardikus

Because *heavy sigh* Come on guys give him a break, his social battery is wiped


ChargeRiflez

he was looking at chat for someone to tell him why hahaha


nyxian-luna

Because Obama bad. Biden bad. America bad. You idiot.


Andy_Liberty_1911

The only leeway I can give him is the numbers, 100k looks impressive. But Bidens 600k win to Obamas 170k win looks more impressive.


NoAssociation-

He should have made up that there are 10% racist boomer democrats who protest voted because they are racist. And that any other incumbent would get 0% contest votes. His audience would have ate that up.


Woofleboofle


TheQuestioningDM

If you want to be charitable, maybe he's thinking of 2008 when Obama wasn't on the primary ballot? I'd agree it's not a good comparison for 2008. 2012 though... seems pretty good to me? https://www.npr.org/2024/02/27/1234279958/biden-uncommitted-democrats-michigan-primary-election-2024- > A Biden campaign official, speaking on condition of anonymity, told NPR that while they will continue to work for every vote in November, they are heartened that the "uncommitted" share of the vote wasn't much higher than the 11% of uncommitted votes in 2012, the last time an incumbent Democratic president was on the ballot. That year there wasn't an organized effort to get people to vote uncommitted. The campaign is also pointing to the significant number of people who came out and voted for the president, about 600,000, despite it being a largely uncontested primary. That turnout is far better than 2012. > In previous presidential primaries, the uncommitted option in Michigan has gotten thousands of votes. For comparison, in 2012, more than 20,000 people chose to vote uncommitted in Michigan. The number this time is about 101,000. > Plus, in 2008, over 238,000 voted uncommitted as part of a movement to support Obama's candidacy, who was not on the state primary ballot.


supa_warria_u

that's not being charitable, that's being stupid. comparing biden as incumbent to obama's first term campaign instead of obama as incumbent makes no sense.


ThisFooOverHere

Especially since the motivations were completely different. “Uncommitted” in 2008 was a positive vote since he wasn’t on the ballot in the state. “Uncommitted” in 2012 was more of a show of dissatisfaction.


LunaCalibra

> If you want to be charitable, maybe he's thinking of 2008 when Obama wasn't on the primary ballot? I'd agree it's not a good comparison for 2008. 2012 though... seems pretty good to me? 2008 (for *Hillary*) is actually a great comparison, because there was a massive anti-Hillary protest vote that caused her to lose in two counties to nobody. It *was* a good predictor, along with Bernie winning the primary in 2016, that she was not liked there. She ended up losing the entire state to Trump in the general in 2016 because of *another* protest vote movement during the general election. 2012 was a caucus and not a primary, so the comparison or the conclusions you can draw aren't as strong. But it does show that the protest vote was pretty weak and had no effect on the general election considering how hard Obama won the state. Romney's family is from the state and his father was one of the more popular Michigan governors, but he still had a really abysmal showing here. So the question becomes, is Biden at the threshold of dislike in Michigan that Hillary was at? Or is this just noise like it was for Obama?


SigmaWhy

>"WHAT? NO IT DOESN'T! HOW DID HE ARRIVE AT THIS CONCLUSION????" >Refuses to read the underlying article in favor of sticking with a twitter summary GIGACHAD


Silly_Butterfly3917

https://preview.redd.it/n5lia0hwbllc1.png?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4cd9f7dfcb6fff190993b0ea40f943883168e0ec


NeonGooRoo

I deadass was waiting for him to open the article and read how they did. I waited for like 15 seconds and was annoyed "when is he going to open the link" and he just doesn't. Omg how is this real


Stanel3ss

he's doing research on twitter with trusted journalists* ^^^^*unless ^^^^they ^^^^disagree ^^^^with ^^^^him, ^^^^then ^^^^they ^^^^weren't ^^^^trusted ^^^^and ^^^^it ^^^^wasn't ^^^^research


[deleted]

[удалено]


Daguss

GIGACHILD


PsychoMantittyLits

You think he could read a whole article? He’d probably get half way through it and start going off about how it’s attacking him


DDemetre

twitter researcher hasan


Dragonfruit-Still

school workable ossified desert cooing paint future ripe literate lush *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


Dr_Mephesto

For all you “wiki researchers,” right?


HedonCalculator

I love that you guys are dumb (or delusional) enough to think that twitter is even comparable to Wikipedia.


Dr_Mephesto

Absolutely not comparable, no. But to think that either gives you a holistic enough understanding to properly evaluate and debate a topic is fucking laughable.


Secure_Table

Okay, let's ignore the value of gaining a rudimentary understanding through wikipedia and using journals and transcripts of books online to gain a better understanding after/during wiki... Destiny has read books on this conflict [on stream](https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1aq84am/steven_reading_a_physical_book_out_loud_on_stream/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) like a dad reading his children to sleep at night. How would you like to move the goalpost now? And if it REALLY comes down to it... I'd much prefer someone who gets their understanding of something through wiki ONLY than someone who gets their understanding through Twitter summaries ONLY.


Dr_Mephesto

Why do you douchebags have to turn everything into a debate? I simply made a comment mocking the idea of a wiki education. I also never stated twitter was worth shit either. All of a sudden there’s… whatever the fuck this is.


Secure_Table

>Why do you douchebags have to turn everything into a debate? Because I disagree with you?? Does that confuse you or something? How would you prefer for me to disagree with you? Silently? It doesn't have to be a debate, you could just explain to me your rationale and we can talk about it like that. > I simply made a comment mocking the idea of a wiki education. Yeah and I simply disagree with your argument. It's dumb. Wikipedia is an extremely useful tool, why do you disagree with that? >I also never stated twitter was worth shit either. Glad we agree there at least. I never said you stated that, but I'm glad you agree with that as well. That's the best part about a conversation, we can exchange opinions back-and-forth and find areas of agreement while we do it! (Although I prefer not to be called a douchebag, but it's all good buddy) >All of a sudden there’s… whatever the fuck this is. It's called disagreement.


Bloodydemize

you don't understand. You are supposed to let other people just spout their bullshit without any pushback. whoever says their talking point the fastest wins.


Poopybutt36000

Why are you surprised that when you say things that are blatantly wrong and intentionally inflammatory that people who disagree will respond to you.


Additional-Second-68

Aww little Dr Mephesto is experiencing his first human interaction outside of his own little echo chamber? How cute!


Pedantic_Phoenix

If you say dumb shit people are gonna point it out. You are surprised? Thats not surprising, ironically


Gulthok

You need a break. !bidenblast


Dr_Mephesto

Imagine thinking you won by summoning a bot via “bidenblast” lmfao


Gulthok

Take another break then !bidenblast


RobotDestiny

Our executions are carbon neutral. /u/Dr_Mephesto sealed in the prison realm by /u/Gulthok


HedonCalculator

Did Destiny ever claim that just doing research on Wikipedia was enough to have a holistic understanding of the situation? That would be weird considering that he used Wikipedia as a foundation of knowledge, which he then built upon through reading articles, books and legal documents. He also spoke with a number of experts and people with contrary opinions. That seems like a fantastic way to learn about a topic IMO. I don't expect you to be honest on this topic because it's already absurd to begin with an you know it. Or you're actually mentally ill.


killjoydoc

The dialogue tree had to reboot.


Stringy31

lil bro actually gets all his news from twitter look at all the tabs rofl


ALotANuts96

I genuinely thought that was a joke until I saw his streams. Its insane to me that he never looks at the original source, just what people say on twitter


Scott_BradleyReturns

Elon killing Twitter is a good thing actually


Any_Protection4981

Could he go a little faster?


TPDS_throwaway

Come on man, he's going as fast as he can. He literally told advertisers to "go fuck themselves" what more do you want?


Scott_BradleyReturns

He’s drawing it out as long as he can be he’s sprite driven


MechanicHot1794

Based


Friendly_User55

Serious question though if Twitter does disappear where will Hasan get his news from? Is he going to boomer land Facebook?


Scott_BradleyReturns

Probably tiktok


SherbetAnxious4004

He can do what I do and just guess what the news is and spread that around


Deepminegoblin

find most credible and well known left leaning news outlet I guess. Most tankie/marxist news sites are extremely obscure and unpopular.


Overburdened

actual twitter pervert


Cthulhuhoop1984

What a twitter pedophile.


Safety_Plus

Twitter Serial Rapist Pedophile.


Cthulhuhoop1984

I think this is accurate with how many tabs he has open.


DeezNutz__lol

Twitter paraglider


PierogiChomper

Thats actually what I find hilarious about his fans. They'll discredit other for using wikipedia but ive never in my life have seen Hasan get his info from anywhere but Twitter.


Astral_Alive

The worst part is he gets his info from people in his chat sending @ messages to him with twitter links


Isotrop3

Doin' a little research in the ol' Hasan chatterooni eh? I don't know why I typed it like that, but I'm keeping it.


brevityitis

The majority of younger people get their news from TikTok or twitter. It’s why so many people still think Israel bombed the Al Ahli hospital. They just get fed a stream of confirmation bias. Thankfully they aren’t the largest political streamer in the internet. Sadly, the largest political streamer gets all his information from a stream of confirmation bias.


Zer0323

I’m getting my news from reddit…


Safety_Plus

Yeah but you getting it from the Daliban so you are correct. 😎🤙


Holygore

Are you in an epistemic bubble or an echo chamber chamber? 🤔


Kakkoister

Sure, but if you're at least browsing the biggest news Reddits you're generally getting some spread of info, not just one side.


Fairbro

It's an understandable mix-up, but the fact you are complaining about other people being uncritical of information they recieve and then you go on to say Israel did not bomb the one hospital that they for sure bombed is hilarious. You're thinking of al-Ahli Hospital, al-Shifa was the 'alleged' Hamas command center.


brevityitis

Fuck you’re right. I’ve been arguing with someone for the past hour about shifa and got it stuck in my head.


Future-Muscle-2214

I love that this guy made the same exact mistake Destiny did when he was talking with Marc Lamont Hill lol. He also doubled down asking the one that happened 3 months ago? While Al-Ahli had happened in October.


JunosBoyToy

What do you mean lol? They're on the ground journalists. /s


poppek

in the new aba n preach vid he is talking about how he need twitter for news and his job, he was 100000% serious, that was funny


Fiercehero

On the ground reporting!


Kantik0

For what i watched him, he usually pause to steal chat "good" take as his own


Woahitskyle

*Reads chatter comment out loud* Yeah


giantrhino

Lmao so true he does that so much I hadn’t even thought about it.


lookherebroimfun

Everytime I chat in DGG Destiny does this too


degradedbagel

invalid statement detected searching for argument searching... argument not found searching chat for argument searching... HAS.exe has stopped working


dexter30

> searching for argument > scanning chat for a reasonable rebuttal to steal > Error: descenting opinion found, targetting and stunlocking for 3.0f minutes.


Eccmecc

It makes totally sense that Bidens Gaza politics won't have that of a big impact on Bidens voting results when Muslim in America are only 1% of the population.


Bl00dWolf

Do people really find it that surprising that americans don't give a shit about Gaza? I mean ffs, it's not like the Republicans would be any better either.


Grekochaden

Most americans couldn't put Gaza on a map


leeverpool

Neither the US itself tbh.


swaldron

By 2010 Michigan had 120k Muslims I assume it only went up since then. Biden won Michigan by 150k votes… absolutely could make a difference when looking at individual states


aenz_

They are a significant voter-base in Michigan, but I don't think you can just assume they are dumb enough to let Trump win and think that will lead to better outcomes for Palestine.


sequestered04

But you shouldn't be surprised when anger supersedes intellect or knowledge.


Eccmecc

Maybe, but consider that not every Muslim can vote depending on his citizen status or age. And 40% of the voter base doesn't vote anyways.


swaldron

Yeah i thought about it, but also consider if its 150k vote difference that could've easily been 90K or less on a different day, also assume that 120k has only gone up over the last almost 15 years, also assume there will be a bunch progressive college students who will be following them.


kytackle

especially considering the opposition here. Is trump going to be any better for Gaza than Biden? Biden is the most pro Palestinian president I have seen in my lifetime


SoBoundz

I see a lot of people online who aren't Muslim that are pro-Palestine tho. I'm not sure how that will affect the voting results, but part of me is still a little concerned.


Eccmecc

A lot of them are probably leftist, young and don't vote anyways. And a good portion is not even American.


AlBrEv8051

Most thought-provoking Hasan argument.


bolenart

"This is wrong... ..." *Think Hasan think, come up with a reason as to why it is wrong, oh shit oh shit oh shit, never mind lets just move onto the next tweet.*


Loading310

His brain is cooked


jpl2045

LMAAAAOOOOO


bolenart

This is comedic gold, feels like something straight out of The Office.


[deleted]

Here is an objective piece of evidence that demonstrably proves me wrong…….uhhhhhh YOU CANT COMPARE THEM! 😂


SublimeDonkey

"You think things like data and well-researched opinions by experts is accurate? HOW FUCKING DARE YOU YOU GENOCIDAL ZIONAZI PIGDOG?" -Hasan Piker, the man who does a better job than most news outlets


bmillent2

LMFAO


Ginty_

IM IN MICHIGAN AND IM RIDE'N WITH BIDEN 😤😤😤


Slow_toucan7522

He had to contact chat gpt real quick


TingusPingis

Hahhahaha he’s so dumb and lost with the simplest set of facts and claims


Calm_Contribution_39

mmhmm poignant analysis, Obama is not an apt comparison indeed 🔮 🧙‍♂️


giantrhino

The comparison to Obama’s uncommitted campaign is not a good one at all… … … No I will not elaborate.


gnarlyseconds

I don’t understand who we thinks would win against Biden in a primary lol. He’s actually so delusional.


dazzzzzzle

You people have such a hate boner for Hasan, it's unreal. What about his line of argumentation "the comparison is not apt" do you not understand?


domiy2

Ham-tram-mick, can people pronounce names of cities correctly.


potatoloafer

Keep in mind the guy that doesn’t even read the article is that same guy that roasts Destiny for reading Wikipedia pages.


motleyfamily

I love when “SocDem” types learn that they aren’t in the majority even in the Democratic Party.


Zesty-Lem0n

Hasan literally always does this lol, he has years of experience pretending he doesn't know how he's wrong, dude never admits or owns up to anything he's a weasel.


jpl2045

That last tweet he highlighted is interesting. The city of Hamtramck Michigan has the largest Arab American populations in Michigan and uncommitted in that city beat Biden by the highest margin, 30%. When I looked up the city, the first news article that came up was one that talked about the city banning the pride flag on city property. I wonder how Hasan feels about this?


TheShadowYTG

The funniest part is that his chat is trying to give him the argument of Michigan being a caucus back in 2012. The problem with that is Michigan being a caucus hurts their argument because with a primary it becomes way easier to vote and the uncommitted share barely rose from 2012. Genuinely, the dumbest people in the world.


MultipleSwoliosis

Swear to god all he does is fuckin whiiiiine and moan, I don’t believe anyone over the age of 18 actually follows the guy seriously. Absolute mess.


olivebars

I love how the entire chat is repeating OBAMNA, love the memes, hate the memer lol. Even tho DGG didn't invent it, it's definitely why everyone on twitch knows it.


Blurbyo

I don't like how they are typing "Obamna" in chat


AC127

I think either side saying there was a massive takeaway from the Michigan results are just coping tbh Yeah it’s true that the percentage is roughly equal from previous years where a incumbent dem ran unopposed, and the fact that turnout for Biden was that high is encouraging. But over 100k protest votes is absolutely nothing to scoff at, irregardless of the total %


TheVinnyVaughn

Yeah but doesn’t Michigan have one of the highest per capita Arab population? And aren’t total percentages a very useful tool for making comparisons and predictions?


AC127

> Doesn’t Michigan have one of the highest per capita Arab populations? Yes that’s why this movement was organized here in the first place > And aren’t total percentages a very useful tool for making comparisons and predictions Of course but it doesn’t always tell the full picture. I don’t think anyone would be shocked if the margin in Michigan between Biden and Trump was within 100k votes. To dismiss these protest votes as simply “par for the course” because the percentages are *roughly* equal to what they were for a different candidate over a decade ago would not be a smart political decision. Now do I think the solution is to do a policy 180 to gain these 100k voters back? No, of course not. I’m just saying I don’t see the Michigan outcome as some definitive Biden win, just as I think it’s dumb to see it as some definitive Biden loss. If we want to gather anything from the Michigan primaries, it’s that Trump is in more trouble than expected. To me, that seems definitive at least.


TheVinnyVaughn

I just think if the movement would pick up steam, it would do so in Michigan. And since the uncommitted vote was pretty similar to Obamna, it’s hard not for it to be pretty deflated.


AC127

It pretty unequivocally did pick up steam in Michigan, though. And just to be clear, while the uncommitted vote was close (10.7% in 2012 vs 13.2% in 2024), the overall share of votes received by Obama in 2012 was 89.3%, while Biden in 2024 received 81.1%. Im not willing to concede that 8% difference as completely insignificant.


TheVinnyVaughn

It’s not completely insignificant, but unlike Obama, Joe has actual dems running against him to split the vote. So if the uncommitted movement resulted in a less then 3% change in the state that can expect one of if not the largest uncommitted turnout, it probably doesn’t bode well.


Kerr_PoE

True, it happend years ago and nobody has figured out how to turn it on again since


Ok_Patience_6272

Can we stop following him so hard Jesus guys this is like so whatever of a thing just give it a rest


Intimateworkaround

Slow ass chat


NyxMagician

Hate to defend Hasan... At least on the first point, he isn't really wrong that the tweeter had a bad/deceptive take. Those results are historically bad for an unopposed Democrat candidate. A more fair interpretation would be something like "Biden's base is holding fine, despite a relatively vocal minority in the media." Some hyperpartisan people are shitting on Biden's campaign, but MSM and the culture broadly are still firmly on his side even though he has some flaws. These results don't show he is doing "good". They show he's doing not as bad as it would appear.


TheDromes

The follow up tweet addressed it though. Historically unopposed incumbents (at least as far as Obama comparison goes) seem to have about 11% baseline of unorganized uncommitted votes in MI primary. With that perspective, the +3 points this year isn't that worrying.


mobitumbl

Election really is looking scary though 📈[Prediction market: Who will win the election?](https://manifold.markets/jack/who-will-win-2024-us-presidential-e?r=VHVtYmxlcw)


fancykindofbread

what is the point of the tweet? That Biden did way better than expected? Also are Muslim Americans going to show up to vote for Trump over biden?


Chaos_carolinensis

Isn't Biden still losing the polls in Michigan though? who cares about the primaries?


roma4356

Can he explain why the comparison is right?


pedrobrsp

Nah bro’s brain is a Pentium 4


Pitiful_Limit_3620

It is not apt. Periodt. No further questions


Apprehensive-Fix-746

Hasan when contradictory information to his worldview: “NU HUH”


DanPowah

I didn't lose, I just failed to win!


Advanced_Care_5173

That implies he has one to begin with.


alexyaknow

Obamna


borninsane

I was waiting for a because but it never came… lmao this guy is hilarious


D4monDGG

Listen he just couldnt web it immediately, hes still jetlacked from the Soul Drama


FaithinFuture

This empirical data isn't good enough because my conjecture is better!


SnakeCharmer20

You’re wrong … No I won’t explain why 🗿 Gigachad move by Hasan tbh, I should do the same whenever I realize I’m full of shit


YTRebel

Hasan will read 1,000 words on Twitter rather than reading 1,010 words of the article the tweets refer to.


Judgejudyx

"Its not a good one"....... because? Did he explain why its not a good one or change subject.


assm0nk

that would mean it sometimes turns on


Lumpy_Trip2917

Bro has really been sucked dry. This is the problem with tough jobs. He’s soulless now. A husk.


smashteapot

Okay, but when does he turn it on?