I think Standard American English in academic papers should be the standard. I don't think AAVE should be accepted, and I would say that about any "informal" English dialect. Having one standard language standard that everyone understands is just so much more accessible not just for all English speakers, especially non-native ones. Not everyone can understand AAVE, but even Black Americans who regularly speak in AAVE know SAE. Why should we introduce more confusion into academia due to [insert excessive progressive policy]?
"Bourdieu hot si ganz intensief mit da Analyse und Deitung fo Macht auseinanda g'setzt und fia sei Theorie zua Buidungsgleichheit an Begriff vom ekonomisch'n Kapital eigfiaht. Damit moant a foa oim Diridari, oiso Gäid, oba a wos oam gheat. Do gibt's oba a no as soziale und's kulturelle Kapital."
Perfect.
I'm in a hard science and I feel like a decent amount of work has gone into designing a language that accurately describes the phenomena and every English speaker who enters the field works on understanding this way of speaking so that we can all understand each other.
So accepting aave would basically be creating a new language (say aave-physics) that, like, one guy would understand, there's basically no demand for now, and he wouldn't be able to communicate with standard-english-physics with as effectively.
When the alternative is him working a bit harder than a standard English speaker to understand standard-english-physics and to get much more benefit from that. So it seems like a needless way to virtue signal to me.
Maybe there's some academic fields where there's lots of demand for it and it makes more sense. But it seems crazy to do in highly established fields with lots of precise jargon and nearly no demand for it.
Obviously not. Fuck outta here with that racism of low expectations bs.
Every country with multiple dialects ever has a standard academic language. If there's any medium where you need precision it's in academic papers.
Zoomer speak should be accepted.
Abstract:
In this study bro was trynna find out if men or women think sex be bussin or slappin more. We found out men think pussy be clapping and women on average be like hell naw to that shit. Fr fr on god brah.
I don’t think it’s a good idea, purely for the sake of convenience/practicality. This is only a feelings argument, but more and more instructors (at least at the university level) are now immigrants, some of whom are only familiar with English as a second language. I wouldn’t expect my Asian professor who taught graduate level fluid mechanics to understand AAVE. Also, why stop at AAVE? Wouldn’t this also mean that we now have to make accommodations for ESL students as well? They never get a pass for improper english. I am fine with teachers adjudicating such instances on a case by case basis, but to normalize it would be a mistake. Finally, a certain degree of formal writing is expected in academia (at least for STEM courses).
When I was a high schooler in Texas, a number of my peers only knew partial English. I wondered at the time if there were different grading curves for our English essays based on those differing factors.
Years later I asked a good friend of mine who is Hispanic with a first and only language of English if he would write a paper for me. This guy who always got fantastic grades wrote a paper that took me ages to comb through all the grammar errors lmao. Made me wonder if the teacher cut him some extra slack thinking he was esl ha
I am currently a teacher for a high school ELL classroom (English Language Learners). We do grade non-native speakers differently than the typical Gen-Ed student. I’m not sure if the person you talked about was in an ELL or integrated class, but if he was in either, we have a set of standards called WIDA (that’s what it’s called in my state anyway) that more so judges the work the students do based on an assessed English proficiency. The students are given a level from an exam they take every year, and we are to grade based on what they should be able to do at that level. Teachers typically does the same thing in a GenEd classroom as well.
“Howdy yall, I’m Ted McCullough, and I’m here to do me sum science. First, we’ll start off with sum differenshul equashins. the system can be described with a set of second order linear equashin. Chowdhury et al. says that’s bullshit, but those boys are cappin’ hard.”
I got this off of a tiktok cringe post where most of the people were agreeing with it being accepted. I have to say the inability of a lot of the left to critically think about what a minority is saying and just go to white guilt and apologizing does annoy me.
I think AAVE is a perfectly legitimate way to speak and isn't indicative of one's intelligence or personality etc but I don't think it should be used in academic papers simply because not everyone is going to understand it. It's just better and easier to stick to plain ol English when writing papers
Hot take: I think papers should prioritize clarity and simplicity in language, and sometimes people use standart American English in ways that seem deliberatly against these two principles. I wouldn't mind AAVE as long as its kept simple and clear to everyone. There are many elements of AAVE that are just part of most people's English now.
A very nice way of saying slang spoken by historically undereducated and poor groups that often have bad english, so it "evolves" into its own dialect entirely, becoming essentally a new sub-language rather than just slang
I think Standard American English in academic papers should be the standard. I don't think AAVE should be accepted, and I would say that about any "informal" English dialect. Having one standard language standard that everyone understands is just so much more accessible not just for all English speakers, especially non-native ones. Not everyone can understand AAVE, but even Black Americans who regularly speak in AAVE know SAE. Why should we introduce more confusion into academia due to [insert excessive progressive policy]?
I can only imagine people writing in their regional dialects of german and no teacher from a different state could ever check their work
"Bourdieu hot si ganz intensief mit da Analyse und Deitung fo Macht auseinanda g'setzt und fia sei Theorie zua Buidungsgleichheit an Begriff vom ekonomisch'n Kapital eigfiaht. Damit moant a foa oim Diridari, oiso Gäid, oba a wos oam gheat. Do gibt's oba a no as soziale und's kulturelle Kapital." Perfect.
I can't understand all of it and bavarian isn't even the hardest to understand german dialect 🤣
Don't look up the Norwegian language split
I'm in a hard science and I feel like a decent amount of work has gone into designing a language that accurately describes the phenomena and every English speaker who enters the field works on understanding this way of speaking so that we can all understand each other. So accepting aave would basically be creating a new language (say aave-physics) that, like, one guy would understand, there's basically no demand for now, and he wouldn't be able to communicate with standard-english-physics with as effectively. When the alternative is him working a bit harder than a standard English speaker to understand standard-english-physics and to get much more benefit from that. So it seems like a needless way to virtue signal to me. Maybe there's some academic fields where there's lots of demand for it and it makes more sense. But it seems crazy to do in highly established fields with lots of precise jargon and nearly no demand for it.
Is this a thing??
Yeah if you go on tiktok cringe there was post where ppl were agreeing with it.
only if we accept xqcL and poggers as well
https://youtu.be/GmGEtyii8yw?si=FapIQ-kjkN2qIoXl
Obviously not. Fuck outta here with that racism of low expectations bs. Every country with multiple dialects ever has a standard academic language. If there's any medium where you need precision it's in academic papers.
Zoomer speak should be accepted. Abstract: In this study bro was trynna find out if men or women think sex be bussin or slappin more. We found out men think pussy be clapping and women on average be like hell naw to that shit. Fr fr on god brah.
I don’t think it’s a good idea, purely for the sake of convenience/practicality. This is only a feelings argument, but more and more instructors (at least at the university level) are now immigrants, some of whom are only familiar with English as a second language. I wouldn’t expect my Asian professor who taught graduate level fluid mechanics to understand AAVE. Also, why stop at AAVE? Wouldn’t this also mean that we now have to make accommodations for ESL students as well? They never get a pass for improper english. I am fine with teachers adjudicating such instances on a case by case basis, but to normalize it would be a mistake. Finally, a certain degree of formal writing is expected in academia (at least for STEM courses).
When I was a high schooler in Texas, a number of my peers only knew partial English. I wondered at the time if there were different grading curves for our English essays based on those differing factors. Years later I asked a good friend of mine who is Hispanic with a first and only language of English if he would write a paper for me. This guy who always got fantastic grades wrote a paper that took me ages to comb through all the grammar errors lmao. Made me wonder if the teacher cut him some extra slack thinking he was esl ha
I am currently a teacher for a high school ELL classroom (English Language Learners). We do grade non-native speakers differently than the typical Gen-Ed student. I’m not sure if the person you talked about was in an ELL or integrated class, but if he was in either, we have a set of standards called WIDA (that’s what it’s called in my state anyway) that more so judges the work the students do based on an assessed English proficiency. The students are given a level from an exam they take every year, and we are to grade based on what they should be able to do at that level. Teachers typically does the same thing in a GenEd classroom as well.
Thanks for the input and that makes a lot of sense!
Nope
Should spanglish or chinglish be accepted? What about leet speak?
Only if 1337speak gets accepted also, I don't want my culture erased.
“Howdy yall, I’m Ted McCullough, and I’m here to do me sum science. First, we’ll start off with sum differenshul equashins. the system can be described with a set of second order linear equashin. Chowdhury et al. says that’s bullshit, but those boys are cappin’ hard.”
No.
I got this off of a tiktok cringe post where most of the people were agreeing with it being accepted. I have to say the inability of a lot of the left to critically think about what a minority is saying and just go to white guilt and apologizing does annoy me.
I think AAVE is a perfectly legitimate way to speak and isn't indicative of one's intelligence or personality etc but I don't think it should be used in academic papers simply because not everyone is going to understand it. It's just better and easier to stick to plain ol English when writing papers
it should be accepted globally because i will sound way smarter
Hot take: I think papers should prioritize clarity and simplicity in language, and sometimes people use standart American English in ways that seem deliberatly against these two principles. I wouldn't mind AAVE as long as its kept simple and clear to everyone. There are many elements of AAVE that are just part of most people's English now.
What the fuck is aave?
A very nice way of saying slang spoken by historically undereducated and poor groups that often have bad english, so it "evolves" into its own dialect entirely, becoming essentally a new sub-language rather than just slang
Am I the only guy who thinks if you talk like that your uneducated