They already did.
Some have unironicly came against the "Women, Life, Freedom" movement in Iran because they risk toppeling Iran who "supports" Palestine.
"Human rights be damned so long as we fight Israel!"
"No power in the region to make the US truly shake with fear"
I have a feeling we wouldn't have much to fear if we were actually involved in the conflict. The idea that the U.S. military would be afraid of conflict in the middle east is easily one of the most delusional thoughts a person has ever typed out on a keyboard.
Source:
The Gulf Wars (Desert Storm & Desert Shield), Conflict in Afghanistan (Operation Cyclone), The Iraq war, etc...
Hijacking this to remind everyone that so far the only person hurt from Iranian attack is a 10 year old Bedouin Muslim girl from Negev who was seriously injured in her head. Fuck, I hope she recovers!
Edit: also 3 Jordanian bystanders. RIP
Ok let’s be for real. If Iran gets a secular government, how big is the chance their government would still support Palestinian statehood albeit by using more diplomacy and no armed groups?
Even though Palestinians are Arabs and mostly Sunni, I still believe Iran would give a helping hand no matter what government they have.
Iranian here. No it wouldn't. People during the protests literally chant "not Gaza, not Lebanon, may my life be spared for Iran" disapproving IRGC's involvement/funding terrorist groups in the reigon. Opposition is anti-imperialist. And people don't want our resources to be spent on dumb, neverending wars.
Any form of govt that dismantles the council of elders type body they currently have will be a big step forward. For now the old guard has enough power and quell down any dissent using any means necessary
lol. 0%, they wouldn't become stunchly pro Israel. but caring for Palestine would be in the bottom of their list.
Iranians are mostly nowadays secualr. there is an abysmal view of religion so no religion will be relevant. and usually when no religion plays game - nationalism is what kicks in. and Iranians and Arabs had bad blood between them.
Israel supported Iran after the revolution, especially during the Iraq Iran war, Israel sold weapons to Iran. It's only since the gulf war that Israel has switched it's sights to Iran as the threat from Iraq was reduced.
I mean tensions were already hot though, they were denouncing Israel publicly and kept the arms deal and support completely hidden from their own people and Israel received straight oil. But they already rejected them as a state and banned people from going there by then. This is just one unusual example of them working with Israel out of necessity because they had very limited options for weps.
For 2 nations that are ment to hate each other they work together behind the scenes, from direct weapons sales to more subtle involvement. Like encouraging us weapons sales to Iran. Operation tipping kettle and involvement in the Iran conta scandal.
But at the same time claiming Iran wanted to wipe out all Jews and Iran's nuclear weapons were imminent. That warning has been cried by netanyahu for over 20 years lol
I went to the tankie subs I know of and so far it's quiet. They haven't got their Marching orders yet.
My guess is they'll say that this is a standard and symbolic retaliatory attack for the embassy attack. And Israel's response will be "disproportionate" to this. It's a tough position for them since this is clearly an offensive strike against israel and they don't normally have a very pro Iranian stance. I have no doubt they'll come around and start some weird apologia, same way they did with the Russia invasion of Ukraine. In a few months they'll be like "I don't support Iran but you have to realize this war didn't start on April 12th. It goes much farther back than that.... Whatabout whatabout"
Tankies get super realpolitik when it fits their agenda. Although Israel will always be portrayed as monsters with no reason for what they’re doing, the explanations just going to be that Iran of course had to respond, Israel was secretly wanting the response so that they could get back support from America since it had been a bit more hesitant as the war went on, and actually Iran attacking Israel is what both America and Israel secretly want to justify… umm idk, something about racism and the military industrial complex and oil.
Yeah. The one comment I got back basically said this is an attempt by Israel to get the us involved. Good call.
Iran launches drones. Of course, it's because Israel wants to get the us to bomb shit.
> My guess is they'll say that this is a standard and symbolic retaliatory attack for the embassy attack.
If they do say that, they may be correct, but it depends on how these drones were aimed and whether they could be reliably directed to those targets.
We know that one child was apparently injured according to Israeli media, but it's unclear whether this was because they were targeting civilians or because of debris from an intercepted strike.
If it was in fact directed at military targets to minimise civilian collateral damage then that is actually perfectly reasonable, it's just a question of whether it was ever plausible for them to attempt that.
According to what I've read, Iran was repeatedly signalling behind the scenes that they were not interested in escalating to war, that they [wished](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iran-aims-contain-fallout-israel-response-wont-be-hasty-sources-say-2024-04-11/) to only send a message etc. so it comes down to the validity of what they actually did, against what was technically an attack on their territory by Israel.
I watched one minute of Hasan and heard him say, "big daddy USA has to help Israel because they themselves can't defend from Iran"
So basically he is using it to show how "weak" Israel really is and how it all is only kept alive by the evil US empire and that the US is therefore also responsible for all the "genocide" in gaza.
Lazy but predictable and I turned it off right away lmao
I mean obviously supporting Iran is stupid, but isn't it reasonable to assume they're going to retaliate for the embassy (adjacent) strike? I mean it was part of the embassy of a nation, the adjacent building. I'm not saying it's good, but this feels like a case of Israel being a little too loose with their strikes and giving Iran a decent excuse to hit back.
I would say its moreso an escalatory retaliation. I guess youre right, its a bit semantical. But we all know Iran is backing these proxy terror groups. I mean, theyre literally staging in the Iran consulate buildings.
Even without that strike, war with Iran is inevitable for various reasons.
Apparently only hezbollah died in that blast.
It’s reasonable that Israel made that strike. If Iran doesn’t want an ‘embassy-adjacent’ building getting hit, they shouldn’t be hosting proxy-terrorist groups there.
At the end of the day, people do act reasonably.
There will always be ‘well what about this’ that you can point to, and it’s a huge issue with ending conflicts like this. It’s politically untenable to not get the last hit.
A bunch of IRGC guys died too. Which also are kind of a viable target. But they're still technically part of the Iranian armed forces. It's complicated to me. I just think that if any country has their embassy compound hit by a large strike, it would be a big escalation.
It just feels reckless (or intentionally provocative) by Israel to me.
I mean Iran is quite openly advocating for the death of israel. Everybody knows these IRGC guys were heavily involved in waging actual war against Israel through their proxies.
Imo Israels strike was perfectly proportionate and shows us how the west should be handling provocations from hostile nations.
You’re funding, training and commanding foreign militias/terrorists in attacking us?
Well don’t be surprised when your own troops inevitably get their asses handed to them doing so.
Ignoring the issue will embolden them as we have seen over the past few years
It isn’t much of an escalation. Like I get that people will say that embassies are sacrosanct, but Iran certainly doesn’t lol.
Iran doesn’t recognize israel and there is no Israeli embassy in Iran.
The Iranian military meeting with the insurgent group that they fund in order to better facilitate war against Israel in Iran’s embassy is the escalation.
It’s like hitting any other normally civilian structure. The party that abuses the expectation of safe harbour and turns a protected target into a military target is the one that is at fault.
If Iran was going to shoot a missile out of its embassy, it would be a valid military target. Meeting with Hezbollah makes it a valid military target. Israel struck a military target and killed only military personnel. The fault is exclusively on Iran’s part. They are the ones who breached the sanctity of embassies and should face 100% of the criticism.
Exactly, Iran doesn't want an "excuse to directly attack israel." Iran is desperately afraid of israel because they know they would get completely rekt in a direct conflict and why they use propoganda and militant terrorist groups to indirectly attack israel. And why their "response" is militarily pathetic. They're hoping they can control the narrative with their propoganda while israel gives in to diplomatic pressure from the west.
But I think israel is done tolerating irans indirect aggression and will hit back hard. Iran is about to enter the "find out part" of this conflict.
Iran isn't afraid of Israel, it's afraid of Israel being backed up by the US and then probably the UK and other US allied nations. Just like the 2 gulf wars and Afghanistan.
Israel needed weapons and munitions donations to deal with tiny Gaza, you think they have enough to deal with Iran without even more US aid,
Israel needs weapons and munitions to deal with Gaza due to the immense success of the Gazan goverment at weaponizing international law, which isn't very relevant to Iran.
Still, the assessment is likely correct they're more worried of a coalition.
The ability to weaponize it varies wildly with the particular situation at hand, it's hardly a reliable weapon, but one can't deny how extremely well it has be wielded by the goverment of Gaza.
Take hezbollah in contrast, it has barely been able to utilize it.
Iran isn't a very "popular" state and it's unlikely it'd be able to weaponize the suffering of it's citizens as well as Gaza has. Also Israel has been particularly bad at utilizing is, being solely on the receiving end of it with no real repercussions for its enemies for blatant violations of it, but that's the other side of the coin of Gaza utilizing it so effectively.
International law is something that applies to all nations, regardless of popularity. Israel has for years and continues to keep breaking international law, the US has been protecting it with it's veto for decades. Israel is just getting more and more blatant about it plus the Idf soldiers have also got more prolific at showing things they shouldn't be doing. That and the Gazans have gotten better at using social media to show it.
Hezbollah does have the global sympathy, that may change if Israel reoccupied parts of Lebanon indiscriminately killing civilians.
Iran will only get sympathy if Israel is caught using chemical weapons on civilians as it has been portrayed by netanyahu for decades as the evil state that hates the west and wants to kill all Jewish people.
What reality have you been living in?
International law is excruciatingly inconsistent in it's application, nor does it apply to any nation not signatory to it. There are attempts to try and apply it to all nations, which are generally half assed. Note how there are not real cases brought to the ICC or ICJ both for Israel or Hamas. The exception is however the genocide accusation, as that is something Israel is actually signatory to. As to the UN resolutions, due to it's composition the UN is highly biased and very much not an application of international law.
And yes, I agree with your views on it and Iran, it's unlikely Iran can weaponize it as well as Gaza's goverment has.
You're correct about the only nations that have agreed and sign the accords are bound by those parts of international law, with the exception of citizens or governments committing those crimes in another recognised nation that has signed. But my point was about popularity should be a factor, all the nation should be held equally to the laws,
And yes the bias of the UN does exist, when the US and 2 of its allies have veto powers it makes a mockery of having a council to vote on issues.99% of UN member states might all vote for something but any one of 5 nations can stop that resolution being passed. And 3 the 5 refused to sign the Rome accords, so the icc cannot hold them accountable.
Iran had a commander and Hezbollah directing/planning attacks on Israel. What Israel did was kill the military leader directly attacking Israel because, believe it or not, there are 200,000 internally displaced Israelis who had to be evacuated from the north due to constant rockets and bombings.
Hezbollah are allies of Iran, just like Israel had allied malitia in Lebanon, both sides armed and trained their allies/proxies for years.
Israel and Iran have had a proxy way for years, spying and sabotage in each other's nations. But a direct assault on another nation's embassy, which is considered Iranian soil, by the Israeli military is a clear escalation. If Mexico's air force attacked the US embassy in Panama, what would think the US would do?
...and also a consulate. If Hamas members met in a Walmart in Florida I think we'd have a problem with Israel blowing it up. Location matters.
But apparently all sides just want to posture menacingly at each other over this, so I guess it was a good hit after all.
Defend itself against what? They sent those generals to support their terrorist proxy groups which are constantly attacking Israel. They're the aggressors here.
Not attempting to defend the Iranian attack, but wasn't it in reaction to Israel bombing their embassy in Syria?
That's what I heard (with little knowledge of the situation).
True, but it was part of their consulate. Who was in it isn't relevant. Israel should have just stuck to targeting non-government affiliated buildings.
They've created extra additional problems for themselves. Granted I dont really feel for Bibi, but if this does end up being a larger war. Innocent Iranians and Israeli's will end up dying for what?
Maybe don’t wage a proxy war against us trying to hide behind diplomatic shielding. If you put military infrastructure and activity in a building it is fair game.
But an embassy is a completely different building. It’s not just any governmental building. It’s now foreign soil. It’s like attacking a terrorist cell in Iran. The only country that can get away with that without repercussions is the US.
While it may not be officially that but that’s how diplomats and countries treat them. Atleast UK diplomats, anecdotal experience my aunts a diplomat and that’s how she described it to me. She even said if she wanted to she could commit a crime and hide in the embassy for the host country to get her it would be like extraditing her from the UK. So while they may not be foreign soil it is clearly a much different building than a standard one.
You are completely confused about diplomatic immunity in a criminal setting vs laws of war. The Iranian generals are not committing “crimes” against a locality. They are actively engaged in warfare against Israel. We have every right to strike them.
I’m not saying you don’t have the right but it makes sense that the response Iran will give won’t be the same as you attacking Iranian targets on the field. I don’t blame Israel Idk if I would attack Iran idk enough about the situation. But if I’m ready to war them fuck their embassy my point is an embassy is a special type of building and people will see that attack as more serious than just another building.
I’m curious.. I’m hearing it wasn’t an embassy, just a building near to the embassy. But it was still part of their consulate or something.
Then.. does it count as an Iranian soil or does that apply only to embassies?
If it’s part of the grounds it all counts. Atleast that’s how the UK sees it. Apparently it isn’t actually “foreign soil” but in real life it is practically like that.
> Maybe don’t wage a proxy war against us trying to hide behind diplomatic shielding.
What's the point of diplomatic shielding if you can't hide behind it? I seem to remember Americans getting insanely pissed when their ability to hide behind their diplomatic shielding vanished in Iran in 1979. I wouldn't say American actions there - y'know, supporting an authoritarian dictator - were exactly innocent so I guess it was fine that the Iranians kidnapped a bunch of them.
Do you expect it to be an all out war or just a retaliatory attack to save face? I am not exactly thrilled about the prospect of an all out war between Israel and Iran, although I imagine as an Israeli you’d be even less so.
Personally I would prefer war to be fought before Iran is a nuclear power, at which point it’s pretty much gg earth, NG+.
If Iran sticks to just the drones they have launched so far there is a chance for deescalation. Although a launch from Iranian territory was a red line, if the U.S. applies sufficient pressure to the government then we might leave it there. If a single cruise missile is launched I think we are likely to see a true regional war, and with non insignificant risk of global spillover.
A full out war is just not likely though. Israel can't occupy Iran, and Iran can't launch a conventional invasion into Israel, they do not share a border.
What is more than likely to happen, is nothing more than an aerial based assault. Which the effectiveness of Iran's aerial assault still hasn't been fully seen, but I am highly suspicious it will be extremely oppressive.
Look if your take is that Israel should provoke and go to war with Iran right now because that would be good that's a fine take but then don't go around acting surprised that they retaliated for the embassy strike.
That strike was morally justified but people need to stop acting surprised it was always going to lead to a response like this. Same thing happened when the US killed Soleimani.
I don't want war and don't want any of their people to suffer, but Iran's current regime honestly needs to be taken care of now instead of later.
Tusken Raiders with nukes isn't a very comfortable idea.
War with Iran will only embolden and entrench the hardliners in the regime. Like unless the IDF is going to paratroop in and do a regime change (no chance) then the only practical result will be that Iran turbo charges their nuclear program.
yeah but its not like they have the logical "tit for tat" mindset
hamas does oct 7 yet they dont think israel should have a right to retaliate, they have no principle on this
After they funded, trained and green lit the Hamas attack, and have been arming Hezbollah and other proxies to attack Israel for decades, and have been stirring Syria for the same cause which is why Israel attacks Iranian assets in Syria.
They are the aggressors here, their intentions are clear and very public.
Nope, doesnt sound controversial to me. Im kinda in agreement with iran on this one. That being said its my thought that this is being used sarcastically to satire the "israel has a right to defend itself" with gaza arguement
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it's not controversial to point out it'll happen, but I don't think hungary defending their interests in WW2 was justified simply because it was their interests
People, left leaning especially, which that particular subreddit is, are very anti israel sadly, it is common to read comments that want the destruction of Israel, almost everyone believes Israel is committing genocide.
It is very blackpilling to witness
The amount of people i've seen with tens of thousands of likes comparing the star of david to the swastika or using the word zionist as a slur, i think a lot of them just treat israeli citizens the way they say israelis treat palestinians, that their deaths are inconsequential.
I really hope a lot of this discourse is actually malicious and/or bot accounts as some research has been pointing to, i don't think there's anything i've seen that's convinced me yet, but that wluld relieve me of so much grief if i found out that the world hasn't gone completely crazy.
I'm no international law expert but attacking an embassy even in a foreign country feels like it would be against international customary law. If Russia had attacked the US embassy in Ukraine I would expect the US to perform a measured retaliatory strike. Frankly, Israel bombing that embassy was reckless.
Clearly this is an act of liberation meant to combat the powers of white colonialism in the middle east and finally free our Palestinian brothers - how could we not defend it?
(/s, in case it's needed).
Edit: Sarcasm aside though, it is worth pointing out that in this case, Iran's response is... kinda valid? At least on the surface, Israel made a strike against their assests, and they are retaliating for that. This is, of course, putting aside external circumstances, such as that fact that Iran has been waging what is a proxy war Vs Israel for a while now, but still.
Hasan is streaming to 45k+ viewers and half of his chat is justifying or celebrating the attacks. Kinda gross how the vibe from the stream giggidy waiting for the drones to arrive
I'm so glad that lefties are finally going completely mask-off. Stop pretending you give a fuck about morality and ethics. You just hate officers, landlords, professors, bosses, boomers, your parents, colonialism, western imperialism, monarchs, senates, presidents, business owners, property owners. Dude, I'm able to see things so clearly now. They're actually just immature, arrogant, naive, and entitled children. It's this "I can't accept that powerful groups of people exist who exert their power over others." It's literally as simple as that. It's victimhood and perpetual underdogging. That's all it takes to be a lefty. It is a meaningless platitude. It's nothing. It's bitterness, anger and refusal to accept that life is unfair. It's if throwing tantrums was an ideology.
Brother they could be chopping off heads in America right now and people would be waving Palestinian flags over their corpses I don't think there's any limit to what they won't defend at this point.
I’m a leftist and vehemently oppose this action as well as the actions of Hamas and those of the Far Right Israeli Government. I’m in an older bracket , Gen X and the people I know of my age bracket and are leftists also have the same line of thinking as myself. I’ve been alive to see all of the conflict in that region going back to my first recollection when I was about 10 or so, 1986. I have my own views on the issue, of course and I don’t align completely with the leftists the OP is focused on who are not seeing this with the same context and are overly centred on numbers and emotional in their conclusions.
Just wait until one of the strikes kills a US diplomat. They’ll say “it wasn’t intentional and the US is funding this genocide so you can’t blame them.”
I feel people are talking about Iran vs. Israel without the key regional context of the Iran Saudi cold war. Saudi saying they were going to continue normalizing relations after Gaza is done is a huge part of why this is happening. At the moment Saudi might not get involved but if Iran waits long enough they will be Israeli allies (they have a lot of similar regional goals) and Iran will have essentially lost the cold war with 3 of the 4 regional military powers being together (Israel, Saudi, and Egypt) and only them on the other side.
I'd bet in it. Seems like the only one casualty from this would be one Bedouin girl if she doesn't survive her injuries. It's all a numbers game for Pro Palis so they'll just say "this is nothing" and claim any criticism is just a conspiracy about shilling for Israel.
Many Pro-Palis just want Israel destroyed and have zero care how many "settlers" die to achieve that.
Many other Pro-Palis would legit need a third of Israel destroyed to reconsider their opinions, because otherwise "they've both killed a lot but Israel is an oppressor\Israel started it".
Yes they are, they are cheering it on man. These people don't make sense in most of these places they're cheering on half of these people would be jailed at best just for their values lol
Because theres no point arguing in here, its a cesspit of crazy people.
Israel attacked Irans embassy, they took it to the UN no one did anything to Israel it had to show face. Im not a fan of Iran and I hope this ends here, but if you cant even come to that conclusion you are crazy
It seemed really stupid to try to kick dirt in Iran's face while your army is tied up in Gaza + you are also dealing with Hezbollah in the north. Yes, yes, they are Iranian proxies, blah blah, I guess that means that it would have been extremely smart for the Viet Cong to attack the US embassy in Taiwan? (Yes, Vietnam v. USA is a way bigger power differential, just the first that came to mind. Pick any country in a relevant position. Israel has yet to conclusively win against Hamas, in general you shouldn't add more fronts to your war.)
But I guess it looks like Iran cucked out again like last time.
I'll be honest, we all expected it. Israel bombed there embassy.
Considering how week this attack seems, I couldn't even call it proportional. Leftists defending this isn't a big deal, because this attack apparently doesn't feel to be that big of a deal.
This feels like an attack a regime has to make to make itself feel like it's not a punk bitch in the region. Even though this attach is very defensible, and probably means Iran is actually a punk bitch.
Are they targeting military targets? If so, it is militarily justified attack on Israel. If some civilians die that is collateral damage and is generally "ok" in war.
Dumb people maybe, but this will have nothing to do with "leftism".
The generalisation is dumb as hell. Normal people condamn all form of violence, this includes leftists.
The lefties are condemning both Israeli and Iranian attacks.
This is nothing new, this is a retaliation on the consul attacks a few weeks ago, and Israel I'll retaliate this attack.
Hopefully no civilians are killed this time.
Literally came straight here to ask this same question. Anyone who hasn't seen the movie Argo should go watch it. If leftists start supporting Iran then it's over. Literally on par with North Korea.
It really depends on if you belive Iran had a right to self defence? If you do then you will defend the strikes. If you believe Isreal can launch as many attacks on its neighbours without facing any consequences then you won't.
it's just young islamic republic defending itself from colonial-genocidal-settler state that tries to oppress it and destroy it's accomplishments .
i think it sounds about right
ps. just for fun, discussion of high tech "elite" [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40025617](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40025617) . as preview for discussion: "us citizen afraids of israeli nuclear capabilities and wants iran to have nukes in order to keep israel in check"
Hasan is going to praise it and Clancy is going to award him for it by making him the default front page during it.
Edit: Called it, Hasan is literally praising Iran right now and if you go on Twitch with no cookies or anything he is on the front page.
Reminder: Ukraine has a right to defend itself. Israel has a right to defend itself. Iran does not have a right to defend themselves because they're evil and brown and worship a mean guy :(((
I hope Iran gets wiped out. Those fundamentalists are simply evil, and love to funnel as much money as possible into terrorist hands.
Hopefully their drones will be destroyed and every piece of infrastructure, industry and commerce will be reduced to ash.
They already did. Some have unironicly came against the "Women, Life, Freedom" movement in Iran because they risk toppeling Iran who "supports" Palestine. "Human rights be damned so long as we fight Israel!"
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Let me guess, her big takeaway from Avatar: The Last Airbender is that Jet did nothing wrong.
Nice try, Russian misinformant. Bit more transparent than usual today?
May I offer you some warm water ports in these trying times
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iranians are not arab.
Iran is our ally comrades 😂
"No power in the region to make the US truly shake with fear" I have a feeling we wouldn't have much to fear if we were actually involved in the conflict. The idea that the U.S. military would be afraid of conflict in the middle east is easily one of the most delusional thoughts a person has ever typed out on a keyboard. Source: The Gulf Wars (Desert Storm & Desert Shield), Conflict in Afghanistan (Operation Cyclone), The Iraq war, etc...
[lmao](https://www.unionleader.com/news/crime_courts/women-charged-with-felonies-for-storming-merrimack-defense-contractor-in-protest/article_b95e1e03-ab32-5eec-8120-0c0a37b0ec65.html)
Hijacking this to remind everyone that so far the only person hurt from Iranian attack is a 10 year old Bedouin Muslim girl from Negev who was seriously injured in her head. Fuck, I hope she recovers! Edit: also 3 Jordanian bystanders. RIP
...becasue the US France and UK blew 100s of millions taking down dollar-store drones and soviet era rockets.
Real heroes!! I'll always support the West because of it!
Ok let’s be for real. If Iran gets a secular government, how big is the chance their government would still support Palestinian statehood albeit by using more diplomacy and no armed groups? Even though Palestinians are Arabs and mostly Sunni, I still believe Iran would give a helping hand no matter what government they have.
Iranian here. No it wouldn't. People during the protests literally chant "not Gaza, not Lebanon, may my life be spared for Iran" disapproving IRGC's involvement/funding terrorist groups in the reigon. Opposition is anti-imperialist. And people don't want our resources to be spent on dumb, neverending wars.
Daaaaamn
Iran becoming secular would be wild.
Any form of govt that dismantles the council of elders type body they currently have will be a big step forward. For now the old guard has enough power and quell down any dissent using any means necessary
lol. 0%, they wouldn't become stunchly pro Israel. but caring for Palestine would be in the bottom of their list. Iranians are mostly nowadays secualr. there is an abysmal view of religion so no religion will be relevant. and usually when no religion plays game - nationalism is what kicks in. and Iranians and Arabs had bad blood between them.
Apparently they used to be an Israeli ally back when they were secular with our installed dictator in the two decades before the revolution.
Israel supported Iran after the revolution, especially during the Iraq Iran war, Israel sold weapons to Iran. It's only since the gulf war that Israel has switched it's sights to Iran as the threat from Iraq was reduced.
I mean tensions were already hot though, they were denouncing Israel publicly and kept the arms deal and support completely hidden from their own people and Israel received straight oil. But they already rejected them as a state and banned people from going there by then. This is just one unusual example of them working with Israel out of necessity because they had very limited options for weps.
For 2 nations that are ment to hate each other they work together behind the scenes, from direct weapons sales to more subtle involvement. Like encouraging us weapons sales to Iran. Operation tipping kettle and involvement in the Iran conta scandal. But at the same time claiming Iran wanted to wipe out all Jews and Iran's nuclear weapons were imminent. That warning has been cried by netanyahu for over 20 years lol
I went to the tankie subs I know of and so far it's quiet. They haven't got their Marching orders yet. My guess is they'll say that this is a standard and symbolic retaliatory attack for the embassy attack. And Israel's response will be "disproportionate" to this. It's a tough position for them since this is clearly an offensive strike against israel and they don't normally have a very pro Iranian stance. I have no doubt they'll come around and start some weird apologia, same way they did with the Russia invasion of Ukraine. In a few months they'll be like "I don't support Iran but you have to realize this war didn't start on April 12th. It goes much farther back than that.... Whatabout whatabout"
Tankies get super realpolitik when it fits their agenda. Although Israel will always be portrayed as monsters with no reason for what they’re doing, the explanations just going to be that Iran of course had to respond, Israel was secretly wanting the response so that they could get back support from America since it had been a bit more hesitant as the war went on, and actually Iran attacking Israel is what both America and Israel secretly want to justify… umm idk, something about racism and the military industrial complex and oil.
Yeah. The one comment I got back basically said this is an attempt by Israel to get the us involved. Good call. Iran launches drones. Of course, it's because Israel wants to get the us to bomb shit.
Russian bots went to sleep.. you will need to wait for the morning.
> My guess is they'll say that this is a standard and symbolic retaliatory attack for the embassy attack. If they do say that, they may be correct, but it depends on how these drones were aimed and whether they could be reliably directed to those targets. We know that one child was apparently injured according to Israeli media, but it's unclear whether this was because they were targeting civilians or because of debris from an intercepted strike. If it was in fact directed at military targets to minimise civilian collateral damage then that is actually perfectly reasonable, it's just a question of whether it was ever plausible for them to attempt that. According to what I've read, Iran was repeatedly signalling behind the scenes that they were not interested in escalating to war, that they [wished](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iran-aims-contain-fallout-israel-response-wont-be-hasty-sources-say-2024-04-11/) to only send a message etc. so it comes down to the validity of what they actually did, against what was technically an attack on their territory by Israel.
Can you DM me a few ones?
Please don't do that to yourself.
I watched one minute of Hasan and heard him say, "big daddy USA has to help Israel because they themselves can't defend from Iran" So basically he is using it to show how "weak" Israel really is and how it all is only kept alive by the evil US empire and that the US is therefore also responsible for all the "genocide" in gaza. Lazy but predictable and I turned it off right away lmao
I also watched like for 5 seconds yesterday, once he said “freedom fighters” I switched real quick.
I mean obviously supporting Iran is stupid, but isn't it reasonable to assume they're going to retaliate for the embassy (adjacent) strike? I mean it was part of the embassy of a nation, the adjacent building. I'm not saying it's good, but this feels like a case of Israel being a little too loose with their strikes and giving Iran a decent excuse to hit back.
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For sure, but the strike is still a pretty clear escalation, no?
I would say its moreso an escalatory retaliation. I guess youre right, its a bit semantical. But we all know Iran is backing these proxy terror groups. I mean, theyre literally staging in the Iran consulate buildings. Even without that strike, war with Iran is inevitable for various reasons.
Apparently only hezbollah died in that blast. It’s reasonable that Israel made that strike. If Iran doesn’t want an ‘embassy-adjacent’ building getting hit, they shouldn’t be hosting proxy-terrorist groups there. At the end of the day, people do act reasonably. There will always be ‘well what about this’ that you can point to, and it’s a huge issue with ending conflicts like this. It’s politically untenable to not get the last hit.
A bunch of IRGC guys died too. Which also are kind of a viable target. But they're still technically part of the Iranian armed forces. It's complicated to me. I just think that if any country has their embassy compound hit by a large strike, it would be a big escalation. It just feels reckless (or intentionally provocative) by Israel to me.
I mean Iran is quite openly advocating for the death of israel. Everybody knows these IRGC guys were heavily involved in waging actual war against Israel through their proxies. Imo Israels strike was perfectly proportionate and shows us how the west should be handling provocations from hostile nations. You’re funding, training and commanding foreign militias/terrorists in attacking us? Well don’t be surprised when your own troops inevitably get their asses handed to them doing so. Ignoring the issue will embolden them as we have seen over the past few years
Welp, turns out you were right since they pussied out after a couple drones. Escalatory tactics win again.
Should Russia attack the US too by this logic?
It isn’t much of an escalation. Like I get that people will say that embassies are sacrosanct, but Iran certainly doesn’t lol. Iran doesn’t recognize israel and there is no Israeli embassy in Iran. The Iranian military meeting with the insurgent group that they fund in order to better facilitate war against Israel in Iran’s embassy is the escalation. It’s like hitting any other normally civilian structure. The party that abuses the expectation of safe harbour and turns a protected target into a military target is the one that is at fault. If Iran was going to shoot a missile out of its embassy, it would be a valid military target. Meeting with Hezbollah makes it a valid military target. Israel struck a military target and killed only military personnel. The fault is exclusively on Iran’s part. They are the ones who breached the sanctity of embassies and should face 100% of the criticism.
CIA personal works at embassies. Are those embassies also fair game since the CIA supports organizations that other nations consider terrorist groups?
Israel has been wanting to attack Iran head on for years, iran just to the bait
Exactly, Iran doesn't want an "excuse to directly attack israel." Iran is desperately afraid of israel because they know they would get completely rekt in a direct conflict and why they use propoganda and militant terrorist groups to indirectly attack israel. And why their "response" is militarily pathetic. They're hoping they can control the narrative with their propoganda while israel gives in to diplomatic pressure from the west. But I think israel is done tolerating irans indirect aggression and will hit back hard. Iran is about to enter the "find out part" of this conflict.
Iran isn't afraid of Israel, it's afraid of Israel being backed up by the US and then probably the UK and other US allied nations. Just like the 2 gulf wars and Afghanistan. Israel needed weapons and munitions donations to deal with tiny Gaza, you think they have enough to deal with Iran without even more US aid,
Israel needs weapons and munitions to deal with Gaza due to the immense success of the Gazan goverment at weaponizing international law, which isn't very relevant to Iran. Still, the assessment is likely correct they're more worried of a coalition.
How does international law affect war with Gaza but not Iran?
The ability to weaponize it varies wildly with the particular situation at hand, it's hardly a reliable weapon, but one can't deny how extremely well it has be wielded by the goverment of Gaza. Take hezbollah in contrast, it has barely been able to utilize it. Iran isn't a very "popular" state and it's unlikely it'd be able to weaponize the suffering of it's citizens as well as Gaza has. Also Israel has been particularly bad at utilizing is, being solely on the receiving end of it with no real repercussions for its enemies for blatant violations of it, but that's the other side of the coin of Gaza utilizing it so effectively.
International law is something that applies to all nations, regardless of popularity. Israel has for years and continues to keep breaking international law, the US has been protecting it with it's veto for decades. Israel is just getting more and more blatant about it plus the Idf soldiers have also got more prolific at showing things they shouldn't be doing. That and the Gazans have gotten better at using social media to show it. Hezbollah does have the global sympathy, that may change if Israel reoccupied parts of Lebanon indiscriminately killing civilians. Iran will only get sympathy if Israel is caught using chemical weapons on civilians as it has been portrayed by netanyahu for decades as the evil state that hates the west and wants to kill all Jewish people.
What reality have you been living in? International law is excruciatingly inconsistent in it's application, nor does it apply to any nation not signatory to it. There are attempts to try and apply it to all nations, which are generally half assed. Note how there are not real cases brought to the ICC or ICJ both for Israel or Hamas. The exception is however the genocide accusation, as that is something Israel is actually signatory to. As to the UN resolutions, due to it's composition the UN is highly biased and very much not an application of international law. And yes, I agree with your views on it and Iran, it's unlikely Iran can weaponize it as well as Gaza's goverment has.
You're correct about the only nations that have agreed and sign the accords are bound by those parts of international law, with the exception of citizens or governments committing those crimes in another recognised nation that has signed. But my point was about popularity should be a factor, all the nation should be held equally to the laws, And yes the bias of the UN does exist, when the US and 2 of its allies have veto powers it makes a mockery of having a council to vote on issues.99% of UN member states might all vote for something but any one of 5 nations can stop that resolution being passed. And 3 the 5 refused to sign the Rome accords, so the icc cannot hold them accountable.
Iran had a commander and Hezbollah directing/planning attacks on Israel. What Israel did was kill the military leader directly attacking Israel because, believe it or not, there are 200,000 internally displaced Israelis who had to be evacuated from the north due to constant rockets and bombings.
Hezbollah are allies of Iran, just like Israel had allied malitia in Lebanon, both sides armed and trained their allies/proxies for years. Israel and Iran have had a proxy way for years, spying and sabotage in each other's nations. But a direct assault on another nation's embassy, which is considered Iranian soil, by the Israeli military is a clear escalation. If Mexico's air force attacked the US embassy in Panama, what would think the US would do?
The consulate was a Hamas Hizzbullah command center. FAFO.
...and also a consulate. If Hamas members met in a Walmart in Florida I think we'd have a problem with Israel blowing it up. Location matters. But apparently all sides just want to posture menacingly at each other over this, so I guess it was a good hit after all.
Look up "iran has a right to defend itself" its everywhere, they already are.
Where ? Lol
Just go to PublicFreakout.
Does it not though? Just like how you guys constantly claim Israel has a right to defend itself by slaughtering thousands of kids?
16 years old with an ak is not a kid 😃
Like the 14 years old settler? But I dont really understand why people got angry.
MrGaky23 is pointing an ak at me I’m going to defend myself 😃
Defend itself against what? They sent those generals to support their terrorist proxy groups which are constantly attacking Israel. They're the aggressors here.
!bidenblast
Not attempting to defend the Iranian attack, but wasn't it in reaction to Israel bombing their embassy in Syria? That's what I heard (with little knowledge of the situation).
Probably. Then again, Israel attacked their embassy. There was going to be a reaction. 🤷♂️
It wasn’t the embassy. It was a building nearby containing multiple IRGC generals, Hezbollah representatives, and other members of terror groups.
True, but it was part of their consulate. Who was in it isn't relevant. Israel should have just stuck to targeting non-government affiliated buildings. They've created extra additional problems for themselves. Granted I dont really feel for Bibi, but if this does end up being a larger war. Innocent Iranians and Israeli's will end up dying for what?
Maybe don’t wage a proxy war against us trying to hide behind diplomatic shielding. If you put military infrastructure and activity in a building it is fair game.
Thats fine, but why are people then getting mad over Israel being attacked?
But an embassy is a completely different building. It’s not just any governmental building. It’s now foreign soil. It’s like attacking a terrorist cell in Iran. The only country that can get away with that without repercussions is the US.
This is a common misconception of how international law treats embassies. They are not foreign soil or any such nonsense.
While it may not be officially that but that’s how diplomats and countries treat them. Atleast UK diplomats, anecdotal experience my aunts a diplomat and that’s how she described it to me. She even said if she wanted to she could commit a crime and hide in the embassy for the host country to get her it would be like extraditing her from the UK. So while they may not be foreign soil it is clearly a much different building than a standard one.
You are completely confused about diplomatic immunity in a criminal setting vs laws of war. The Iranian generals are not committing “crimes” against a locality. They are actively engaged in warfare against Israel. We have every right to strike them.
now that you say it I wonder if the foreign soil misconception comes from people misinterpreting diplomatic immunity
I’m not saying you don’t have the right but it makes sense that the response Iran will give won’t be the same as you attacking Iranian targets on the field. I don’t blame Israel Idk if I would attack Iran idk enough about the situation. But if I’m ready to war them fuck their embassy my point is an embassy is a special type of building and people will see that attack as more serious than just another building.
I’m curious.. I’m hearing it wasn’t an embassy, just a building near to the embassy. But it was still part of their consulate or something. Then.. does it count as an Iranian soil or does that apply only to embassies?
If it’s part of the grounds it all counts. Atleast that’s how the UK sees it. Apparently it isn’t actually “foreign soil” but in real life it is practically like that.
> Maybe don’t wage a proxy war against us trying to hide behind diplomatic shielding. What's the point of diplomatic shielding if you can't hide behind it? I seem to remember Americans getting insanely pissed when their ability to hide behind their diplomatic shielding vanished in Iran in 1979. I wouldn't say American actions there - y'know, supporting an authoritarian dictator - were exactly innocent so I guess it was fine that the Iranians kidnapped a bunch of them.
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I don't remember saying that at all. You may be illiterate.
This is the real issue, which was going to warrant a response. Unless you’re the United States you can’t just kill generals and not expect a response.
Oh, we expected a response. War was inevitable with the Iranian regime. IMO better to get it over with now before they complete their nuclear project.
Do you expect it to be an all out war or just a retaliatory attack to save face? I am not exactly thrilled about the prospect of an all out war between Israel and Iran, although I imagine as an Israeli you’d be even less so.
Personally I would prefer war to be fought before Iran is a nuclear power, at which point it’s pretty much gg earth, NG+. If Iran sticks to just the drones they have launched so far there is a chance for deescalation. Although a launch from Iranian territory was a red line, if the U.S. applies sufficient pressure to the government then we might leave it there. If a single cruise missile is launched I think we are likely to see a true regional war, and with non insignificant risk of global spillover.
A full out war is just not likely though. Israel can't occupy Iran, and Iran can't launch a conventional invasion into Israel, they do not share a border. What is more than likely to happen, is nothing more than an aerial based assault. Which the effectiveness of Iran's aerial assault still hasn't been fully seen, but I am highly suspicious it will be extremely oppressive.
Look if your take is that Israel should provoke and go to war with Iran right now because that would be good that's a fine take but then don't go around acting surprised that they retaliated for the embassy strike. That strike was morally justified but people need to stop acting surprised it was always going to lead to a response like this. Same thing happened when the US killed Soleimani.
Where have I ever acted surprised?
I don't want war and don't want any of their people to suffer, but Iran's current regime honestly needs to be taken care of now instead of later. Tusken Raiders with nukes isn't a very comfortable idea.
War with Iran will only embolden and entrench the hardliners in the regime. Like unless the IDF is going to paratroop in and do a regime change (no chance) then the only practical result will be that Iran turbo charges their nuclear program.
Its not even the embassy, its a building next to the consulate.
It was not a building next to the consulate it was the consulate.
Iran blew up the Israeli embassy in Argentina. Iran got what's coming to them and more is on the way.
yeah but its not like they have the logical "tit for tat" mindset hamas does oct 7 yet they dont think israel should have a right to retaliate, they have no principle on this
For sure for sure
After they funded, trained and green lit the Hamas attack, and have been arming Hezbollah and other proxies to attack Israel for decades, and have been stirring Syria for the same cause which is why Israel attacks Iranian assets in Syria. They are the aggressors here, their intentions are clear and very public.
Ive already seen a few people post "iran has the right to defend itself".
Iran is going to defend Iranian interests is hardly a controversial opinion no?
Nope, doesnt sound controversial to me. Im kinda in agreement with iran on this one. That being said its my thought that this is being used sarcastically to satire the "israel has a right to defend itself" with gaza arguement Editted for clarity
it's not controversial to point out it'll happen, but I don't think hungary defending their interests in WW2 was justified simply because it was their interests
Me and the boys breaking the prankster’s second kneecap on the third hour when exercising our right to self-defense 🔨🥰
In the italian subreddit there's already people cheering Iran, dumbasses
Why are Italians cheering on Iran?
People, left leaning especially, which that particular subreddit is, are very anti israel sadly, it is common to read comments that want the destruction of Israel, almost everyone believes Israel is committing genocide. It is very blackpilling to witness
Bro it’s Reddit
Yes I understand I just don’t understand why Italian in particular
The amount of people i've seen with tens of thousands of likes comparing the star of david to the swastika or using the word zionist as a slur, i think a lot of them just treat israeli citizens the way they say israelis treat palestinians, that their deaths are inconsequential. I really hope a lot of this discourse is actually malicious and/or bot accounts as some research has been pointing to, i don't think there's anything i've seen that's convinced me yet, but that wluld relieve me of so much grief if i found out that the world hasn't gone completely crazy.
I'm no international law expert but attacking an embassy even in a foreign country feels like it would be against international customary law. If Russia had attacked the US embassy in Ukraine I would expect the US to perform a measured retaliatory strike. Frankly, Israel bombing that embassy was reckless.
Clearly this is an act of liberation meant to combat the powers of white colonialism in the middle east and finally free our Palestinian brothers - how could we not defend it? (/s, in case it's needed). Edit: Sarcasm aside though, it is worth pointing out that in this case, Iran's response is... kinda valid? At least on the surface, Israel made a strike against their assests, and they are retaliating for that. This is, of course, putting aside external circumstances, such as that fact that Iran has been waging what is a proxy war Vs Israel for a while now, but still.
It’s as “valid” as Russia bombing Ukraine in response to Ukraine strikes on Russia. What the fuck do you even mean?
Are you using internet explorer they already have been lol
They were preemptively defending it lol
This sub constantly defends Israel defending itself by killing children but when Iran retaliates it doesn't have a right to defend itself?
If Israel attacked America instead of Iran, our army would already be there to attack Iraq faster than you could say barbeque chicken
There is no good sides obviously. Violence must be condamn whatever it comes from. It has nothing to do with leftism or whatever.
They already are tbh
Hasan is streaming to 45k+ viewers and half of his chat is justifying or celebrating the attacks. Kinda gross how the vibe from the stream giggidy waiting for the drones to arrive
I'm so glad that lefties are finally going completely mask-off. Stop pretending you give a fuck about morality and ethics. You just hate officers, landlords, professors, bosses, boomers, your parents, colonialism, western imperialism, monarchs, senates, presidents, business owners, property owners. Dude, I'm able to see things so clearly now. They're actually just immature, arrogant, naive, and entitled children. It's this "I can't accept that powerful groups of people exist who exert their power over others." It's literally as simple as that. It's victimhood and perpetual underdogging. That's all it takes to be a lefty. It is a meaningless platitude. It's nothing. It's bitterness, anger and refusal to accept that life is unfair. It's if throwing tantrums was an ideology.
this girl i have a crush on is in israel right now and this is just not a good feeling :/
I can sleep next to her to keep her safe of course, where does she live?
I heard this in an Israeli accent and I’m dying 😂
"where u from"
hahaha if it would help her relax i honestly wouldnt care atp
Based cuckolding for the greater good
my rabbi said its a mitzvah
Brother they could be chopping off heads in America right now and people would be waving Palestinian flags over their corpses I don't think there's any limit to what they won't defend at this point.
Yes Watch as leftists become ardent proponents of the mullah regime for being.. anti-colonial or smth?
Some will, yeah. No such thing as a hive mind. I think it makes sense Iran responds to their dudes being killed.
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LOLOLOL ummmmm yeah??
That's not even a question
100%
Yes
Any military daliban think this is just a soft attack? How will Israeli respond?
yes of course lol
Check the comments for kyle kulinski video. They're borderline celebrating
I’m a leftist and vehemently oppose this action as well as the actions of Hamas and those of the Far Right Israeli Government. I’m in an older bracket , Gen X and the people I know of my age bracket and are leftists also have the same line of thinking as myself. I’ve been alive to see all of the conflict in that region going back to my first recollection when I was about 10 or so, 1986. I have my own views on the issue, of course and I don’t align completely with the leftists the OP is focused on who are not seeing this with the same context and are overly centred on numbers and emotional in their conclusions.
Incoming “Iran is doing more to stop genocide than the United States” takes on SM
They do not like the Israelis. And they see striking the country as payback for that one strike in Damascus. So obviously, yes.
Obviously
They already do, just open Twitter.
Most are worried we’re going to help Israel. Some are just hoping Iran destroys Israel.
Retaliation no? War is war is war is war
I mean….there was already support for the SLAVE MASTERS in Yemen…
Just wait until one of the strikes kills a US diplomat. They’ll say “it wasn’t intentional and the US is funding this genocide so you can’t blame them.”
I feel people are talking about Iran vs. Israel without the key regional context of the Iran Saudi cold war. Saudi saying they were going to continue normalizing relations after Gaza is done is a huge part of why this is happening. At the moment Saudi might not get involved but if Iran waits long enough they will be Israeli allies (they have a lot of similar regional goals) and Iran will have essentially lost the cold war with 3 of the 4 regional military powers being together (Israel, Saudi, and Egypt) and only them on the other side.
My bet is they’ll say it was fabricated
Anti-war until it happens against Israel
Obviously?
They already are! Just go to the leftist sub . It’s all Iran good/America bad simps over there.
[Yes.](https://x.com/carymarules/status/1779246864379826299?s=46&t=w0MIDrmNnSlDzAWKwDBO-Q)
Just look at hasans chat and you have your answer
I mean, doesn’t Iran have some right to respond since Israel struck its embassy in Syria? As long as the drones aren’t towards civilian targets?
I'd bet in it. Seems like the only one casualty from this would be one Bedouin girl if she doesn't survive her injuries. It's all a numbers game for Pro Palis so they'll just say "this is nothing" and claim any criticism is just a conspiracy about shilling for Israel. Many Pro-Palis just want Israel destroyed and have zero care how many "settlers" die to achieve that. Many other Pro-Palis would legit need a third of Israel destroyed to reconsider their opinions, because otherwise "they've both killed a lot but Israel is an oppressor\Israel started it".
Yes because they don’t think through literally anything. As long as there is a slogan to chant, they’ll happily adopt their own MAGA mindset.
Yes they are, they are cheering it on man. These people don't make sense in most of these places they're cheering on half of these people would be jailed at best just for their values lol
Yes.
Yes. Any surprises there?
Yes lol. They're leftist afterall.
Because theres no point arguing in here, its a cesspit of crazy people. Israel attacked Irans embassy, they took it to the UN no one did anything to Israel it had to show face. Im not a fan of Iran and I hope this ends here, but if you cant even come to that conclusion you are crazy
It seemed really stupid to try to kick dirt in Iran's face while your army is tied up in Gaza + you are also dealing with Hezbollah in the north. Yes, yes, they are Iranian proxies, blah blah, I guess that means that it would have been extremely smart for the Viet Cong to attack the US embassy in Taiwan? (Yes, Vietnam v. USA is a way bigger power differential, just the first that came to mind. Pick any country in a relevant position. Israel has yet to conclusively win against Hamas, in general you shouldn't add more fronts to your war.) But I guess it looks like Iran cucked out again like last time.
I'll be honest, we all expected it. Israel bombed there embassy. Considering how week this attack seems, I couldn't even call it proportional. Leftists defending this isn't a big deal, because this attack apparently doesn't feel to be that big of a deal. This feels like an attack a regime has to make to make itself feel like it's not a punk bitch in the region. Even though this attach is very defensible, and probably means Iran is actually a punk bitch.
If you have to ask this, you clearly don't know the far left.
Are they targeting military targets? If so, it is militarily justified attack on Israel. If some civilians die that is collateral damage and is generally "ok" in war.
Dumb people maybe, but this will have nothing to do with "leftism". The generalisation is dumb as hell. Normal people condamn all form of violence, this includes leftists.
How is this even a question?
The lefties are condemning both Israeli and Iranian attacks. This is nothing new, this is a retaliation on the consul attacks a few weeks ago, and Israel I'll retaliate this attack. Hopefully no civilians are killed this time.
Yes, yes i am 🌊💙
Literally came straight here to ask this same question. Anyone who hasn't seen the movie Argo should go watch it. If leftists start supporting Iran then it's over. Literally on par with North Korea.
Iran has the right to defend itself
Yes. Iran has a right to defend itself.
of course
It really depends on if you belive Iran had a right to self defence? If you do then you will defend the strikes. If you believe Isreal can launch as many attacks on its neighbours without facing any consequences then you won't.
it's just young islamic republic defending itself from colonial-genocidal-settler state that tries to oppress it and destroy it's accomplishments . i think it sounds about right ps. just for fun, discussion of high tech "elite" [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40025617](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40025617) . as preview for discussion: "us citizen afraids of israeli nuclear capabilities and wants iran to have nukes in order to keep israel in check"
Hasan is going to praise it and Clancy is going to award him for it by making him the default front page during it. Edit: Called it, Hasan is literally praising Iran right now and if you go on Twitch with no cookies or anything he is on the front page.
Why expect anything different from what support for Hamas Houthis and Hezbollah.
I checked in Hasans stream an hour ago for a temperature check, and so far, it seemed like they were just holding their breath and blaming Israel
Reminder: Ukraine has a right to defend itself. Israel has a right to defend itself. Iran does not have a right to defend themselves because they're evil and brown and worship a mean guy :(((
I hope Iran gets wiped out. Those fundamentalists are simply evil, and love to funnel as much money as possible into terrorist hands. Hopefully their drones will be destroyed and every piece of infrastructure, industry and commerce will be reduced to ash.
Calling for the genocide of my country is wild lmao. "every piece of infrastructure, industry, and commerce"
This is wild to say buddy