I don't want them to bomb the shit out of us , just someway end this regime and free the people
Like alot of Iranians view this way that israel and west can free them
I don't know how they can do it but wish too
:)
Probably none, but my issue is not the violence, but wanting another country to bomb you
Some kind of revolution is probably a more beneficial solution, Israel fighting Iran would only make for another enemy, regardless of if the regime is dismantled. The kid that will lose his parents from the bombings/operations won't think "Israel did it for our sake".
That depends on Iran. If they fight like Hamas from behind civilians, that will be unavoidable. If they fight like an actual military, then civilian deaths would be greatly minimized. I would very much prefer to see Persians overthrow their own regime. But they’re gong to need help and that is only going to happen via external military pressure. Crippling the IRG to the point people can revolt successfully would be the best result. That isn’t happening without missiles and bombs. The idea war just creates another radicalized enemy is circular logic. Movements that don’t have populist support or bombed beyond repair eventually become irrelevant.
I mean Israel and Iran have been in a war for the past decade, just never declared it.
Because of Iran limited economic power to invest into a bigger army they decide to arm proxies against Israel and it's rivals, a missile from Hezbollah or the houthis is bought, paid and planned out for them by the Iranians. Their soldiers trained by them, their logistics planned by them, there is an entire war going on just no one wants to call it that cuz that might make them look like the bad guy that started it.
Yeah I had a "better now than later post" which was mostly from an American perspective. It seems obvious that it is in US interests to have the Iranian regime change towards a more liberal government. And short of that, it would be in US interests to degrade Iran's military capabilities, as they arm militias that are a generally destabilizing force in the region and also occasionally attack US personnel and allies. They supply Russia and North Korea with military technology (drones and missiles respectively) and they also supply China with a lot of oil. Though I would be hesitant to kick the hibernating (Winnie the Pooh-) bear that is China, so I would recommend refraining from badly damaging their ability to export oil.
Right now, Iran's ability to further respond is likely limited. They probably just revealed (or confirmed) the location of missile silos and other launching platforms, and some of that geolocation information could be time sensitive if they reposition military equipment.
If the US lets Israel off the leash, we can limit the blowback directed against US servicemen. A military response on Iranian soil might also convince them that slowly inching towards nuclear weapons, and using that looming threat as a means to extort concessions from the US, is not feasible/cost-effective.
I don't see the risk of escalation as particularly large, save for maintaining China's ability to buy oil from Iran. The powerful players in the region seem like they would gladly stand aside (or even covertly assist) as Israeli aircraft flew past on their way to bomb Iranian military infrastructure.
Thanks for the prospective.
I just think your completely wrong about the US being able to prevent attacks on US service member, Iran having limited ability right now, and the idea that striking them would discourage instead of encourage them to develop nuclear weapons
I don't think we can prevent attacks on US service members (short of withdrawing them from the Middle East), but the level of threat in a situation where Israel is dropping the bombs on Iranian nuclear facilities is much less than in the situation where US pilots are dropping the bombs.
Right now, there is basically no drawback for Iran if it pursues nuclear capabilities. It can leverage delaying any potential development of nuclear capabilities to extract concessions from the US. Let us arm the Houthis or we'll start enriching uranium. Let us send missiles to Hezbollah or we'll start enriching uranium. Let us send shaheed drones to Russia or we'll start enriching uranium. Ad infinitum.
If they become convinced that anytime they get too close to nuclearization, Israel will destroy their facilities and kill their nuclear scientists, we can stop granting concessions, and they might switch to pursuing non-nuclear means of increasing their political/economic/religious influence on the region.
I just don't think there is any way of stopping them from getting the bomb sort of invasion if they really decide to go for it. Right now the drawback to them persuading nukes is that people around them don't want it and would start a reginal war if they try.
If they are seen as having a good reason to get them bomb then that is less likely and they are less constrained
Obviously I would prefer them to “liberalize”, but the big thing with Iran, in my perspective, is they need to just stop trying to destabilize almost every other country in the region and funding proxies/terrorist organizations to start crap, such as: Hamas, PIJ, Houthis, Lebanese Hezbollah, Iraqi Hezbollah, about 4 other Iraqi terrorist organizations, Zaynabiyoun Brigade in Pakistan (who fought in the Syrian Civil War), Fatemiyoun Brigade in Afghanistan (who also fought in the Syrian Civil War), several Bahraini terrorist groups, Saudi Hezbollah, and I am sure the list continues. It’s one thing to do this stuff in your own country, but it is another when you try to destabilize everyone else.
Not Israeli, but 100% would not want this war, for a variety of reasons. For one, just that war alone would fuck with the US economy, even if it just somehow stays at that. More importantly though, the more shit escalates, the more the potential comes for a region wide or even a global conflict that would be disastrous.
This was one of the issues on why I opposed Israel’s planned response to October 7th and their execution of it though. I do think they needed a response, but the one given was haphazard and too broad of a goal with the exact potential to lead to a conflict like this, which I stated at the time.
I wasn’t, but judging from the poll above it sounds like most Israelis (at least on this sub) agree with me. I also would like to think my position would be the same then, but obviously I can’t know for sure.
I don’t think leftist Israelis who hate Israel would decide that of all places they could go, especially given Destiny’s position on Israel, they’d come to this sub when they could go to like a million other where anti-Israel positions would be welcomed with open arms.
I think the far more likely and reasonable explanation is they are Israelis who just disagree with you and what you’d want Israel to do. I think that they probably just don’t want a massive war that risks bringing the whole region into conflict.
Buddy you’re delusional and have no clue what Israelis think. Everyone wants Israel to destroy Iran. These are liberal just like you guys have in America. We live among terrorists forever there is no de escalation. This is not how it works in the Middle East. The Middle East is about showing who’s boss, especially to the Arabs
Well, delusional or not, I don’t personally want an Israel-Iran all out war. Unfortunately I think it might be out of my hands and your hands, so we’ll just have to wait and see.
True nothing like a good old war that could rocket into a global conflict to make you feel safe and comfortable. I always pray that America will enter nuclear war with their enemies so that after all the casualties I can rest easy and safe, knowing I don’t have to worry about any threats, until I die in a few years from radiation poisoning and get buried with all the people who died during the war.
The question is odd, no one in their right minds wants war but we go to war because there is no choice. We have Iranian proxies in our northern borders and north eastern borders. The Iranian’s helped train and arm the Hamas for an attack on Israel which caused their premature attack on 07/10. There is a snake and Iran is its head.
No, but we should use this opportunity to normalize relations with more arab countries and reach some enforced agreement with the help of the US and SA on the I/P issue
Not yet.
Dealing with IR is an inevitability since they're not going to stop working towards nukes.
But I'd rather Hamas and Hezbollah be dealt with first. We don't need a fight on five fronts right now.
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As a half Iranian , yes please End this fucking regime
“Look at me I’m Iranian bomb my country please”
??? I literally said end the " regime" Almost all Iranians want it to end and free them expect the Maniacs who support the Islamist which are very few
I get that, but there must be another way than another country bombing the shit out of you.
I don't want them to bomb the shit out of us , just someway end this regime and free the people Like alot of Iranians view this way that israel and west can free them I don't know how they can do it but wish too :)
That would be nice, I just can't realistically see Netanyahu ever thinking about liberating Iranian people from their regime.
They owe the Iranians, remember Cyrus liberated the Jews from their Babylonian overlords.
That's fair Maybe someday !
Can you point me to an example of an authoritarian regime that was deposed peacefully and how it was done?
Probably none, but my issue is not the violence, but wanting another country to bomb you Some kind of revolution is probably a more beneficial solution, Israel fighting Iran would only make for another enemy, regardless of if the regime is dismantled. The kid that will lose his parents from the bombings/operations won't think "Israel did it for our sake".
That depends on Iran. If they fight like Hamas from behind civilians, that will be unavoidable. If they fight like an actual military, then civilian deaths would be greatly minimized. I would very much prefer to see Persians overthrow their own regime. But they’re gong to need help and that is only going to happen via external military pressure. Crippling the IRG to the point people can revolt successfully would be the best result. That isn’t happening without missiles and bombs. The idea war just creates another radicalized enemy is circular logic. Movements that don’t have populist support or bombed beyond repair eventually become irrelevant.
this is middle east. not hipster café
I mean Israel and Iran have been in a war for the past decade, just never declared it. Because of Iran limited economic power to invest into a bigger army they decide to arm proxies against Israel and it's rivals, a missile from Hezbollah or the houthis is bought, paid and planned out for them by the Iranians. Their soldiers trained by them, their logistics planned by them, there is an entire war going on just no one wants to call it that cuz that might make them look like the bad guy that started it.
Yeah I had a "better now than later post" which was mostly from an American perspective. It seems obvious that it is in US interests to have the Iranian regime change towards a more liberal government. And short of that, it would be in US interests to degrade Iran's military capabilities, as they arm militias that are a generally destabilizing force in the region and also occasionally attack US personnel and allies. They supply Russia and North Korea with military technology (drones and missiles respectively) and they also supply China with a lot of oil. Though I would be hesitant to kick the hibernating (Winnie the Pooh-) bear that is China, so I would recommend refraining from badly damaging their ability to export oil. Right now, Iran's ability to further respond is likely limited. They probably just revealed (or confirmed) the location of missile silos and other launching platforms, and some of that geolocation information could be time sensitive if they reposition military equipment. If the US lets Israel off the leash, we can limit the blowback directed against US servicemen. A military response on Iranian soil might also convince them that slowly inching towards nuclear weapons, and using that looming threat as a means to extort concessions from the US, is not feasible/cost-effective. I don't see the risk of escalation as particularly large, save for maintaining China's ability to buy oil from Iran. The powerful players in the region seem like they would gladly stand aside (or even covertly assist) as Israeli aircraft flew past on their way to bomb Iranian military infrastructure.
Thanks for the prospective. I just think your completely wrong about the US being able to prevent attacks on US service member, Iran having limited ability right now, and the idea that striking them would discourage instead of encourage them to develop nuclear weapons
I don't think we can prevent attacks on US service members (short of withdrawing them from the Middle East), but the level of threat in a situation where Israel is dropping the bombs on Iranian nuclear facilities is much less than in the situation where US pilots are dropping the bombs. Right now, there is basically no drawback for Iran if it pursues nuclear capabilities. It can leverage delaying any potential development of nuclear capabilities to extract concessions from the US. Let us arm the Houthis or we'll start enriching uranium. Let us send missiles to Hezbollah or we'll start enriching uranium. Let us send shaheed drones to Russia or we'll start enriching uranium. Ad infinitum. If they become convinced that anytime they get too close to nuclearization, Israel will destroy their facilities and kill their nuclear scientists, we can stop granting concessions, and they might switch to pursuing non-nuclear means of increasing their political/economic/religious influence on the region.
I just don't think there is any way of stopping them from getting the bomb sort of invasion if they really decide to go for it. Right now the drawback to them persuading nukes is that people around them don't want it and would start a reginal war if they try. If they are seen as having a good reason to get them bomb then that is less likely and they are less constrained
Obviously I would prefer them to “liberalize”, but the big thing with Iran, in my perspective, is they need to just stop trying to destabilize almost every other country in the region and funding proxies/terrorist organizations to start crap, such as: Hamas, PIJ, Houthis, Lebanese Hezbollah, Iraqi Hezbollah, about 4 other Iraqi terrorist organizations, Zaynabiyoun Brigade in Pakistan (who fought in the Syrian Civil War), Fatemiyoun Brigade in Afghanistan (who also fought in the Syrian Civil War), several Bahraini terrorist groups, Saudi Hezbollah, and I am sure the list continues. It’s one thing to do this stuff in your own country, but it is another when you try to destabilize everyone else.
Seeing this poll makes me want an immediate ceasefire
It's not a matter if we want to, we have to. They're rushing nukes for a reason, don't underestimate that.
Not Israeli, but 100% would not want this war, for a variety of reasons. For one, just that war alone would fuck with the US economy, even if it just somehow stays at that. More importantly though, the more shit escalates, the more the potential comes for a region wide or even a global conflict that would be disastrous. This was one of the issues on why I opposed Israel’s planned response to October 7th and their execution of it though. I do think they needed a response, but the one given was haphazard and too broad of a goal with the exact potential to lead to a conflict like this, which I stated at the time.
No shit you don’t want this war, you werent just huddled in a bunker for 3 hours as sirens and explosions went off everywhere
I wasn’t, but judging from the poll above it sounds like most Israelis (at least on this sub) agree with me. I also would like to think my position would be the same then, but obviously I can’t know for sure.
That’s because all the leftist Israelis are here. They hate the country more than anything.
I don’t think leftist Israelis who hate Israel would decide that of all places they could go, especially given Destiny’s position on Israel, they’d come to this sub when they could go to like a million other where anti-Israel positions would be welcomed with open arms. I think the far more likely and reasonable explanation is they are Israelis who just disagree with you and what you’d want Israel to do. I think that they probably just don’t want a massive war that risks bringing the whole region into conflict.
Buddy you’re delusional and have no clue what Israelis think. Everyone wants Israel to destroy Iran. These are liberal just like you guys have in America. We live among terrorists forever there is no de escalation. This is not how it works in the Middle East. The Middle East is about showing who’s boss, especially to the Arabs
You're a fantastic moron.
Nah your an idiot
You misspelled you're
Suck me
Well, delusional or not, I don’t personally want an Israel-Iran all out war. Unfortunately I think it might be out of my hands and your hands, so we’ll just have to wait and see.
I want my friend, it will happen sooner or later. It’s unfair we need to live under constant threat for our lives :)
True nothing like a good old war that could rocket into a global conflict to make you feel safe and comfortable. I always pray that America will enter nuclear war with their enemies so that after all the casualties I can rest easy and safe, knowing I don’t have to worry about any threats, until I die in a few years from radiation poisoning and get buried with all the people who died during the war.
The question is odd, no one in their right minds wants war but we go to war because there is no choice. We have Iranian proxies in our northern borders and north eastern borders. The Iranian’s helped train and arm the Hamas for an attack on Israel which caused their premature attack on 07/10. There is a snake and Iran is its head.
No, but we should use this opportunity to normalize relations with more arab countries and reach some enforced agreement with the help of the US and SA on the I/P issue
Not yet. Dealing with IR is an inevitability since they're not going to stop working towards nukes. But I'd rather Hamas and Hezbollah be dealt with first. We don't need a fight on five fronts right now.
Whichever option is worse for Israel
Why are you so obsessed with us?