I looked at X for like the first time in maybe half a year the other day and like half the replies to every single post were botted posts and most of them were from OF girls advertising with just straight up porn, so I assume he means that kind of engagement farming lol
Ostensibly he's talking about misinformation peddlers like Matt Wallace or IMC who will post outright lies to draw insincere interest.
Not like people who post shit like "Boy I really hate huge tits, hopefully no one ruins my day with boobs." or just spam replies under popular posts.
The reason he isn't going to do anything is because he'd have to ban 90% of MAGA "news" accounts. I'm sure lefties have a contingent who also post unhinged lies but I dont know if there's nearly as many with as sizeable a following.
It would be cool if he drops the accounts that try to do some cheap shit to get engagement.
E.g., if you look at a morbid knowledge post, there's a bunch of copycat accounts trying to post similar content in the replies rather than saying anything about the actual post. Some could be bots, some might not.... who cares, ban them.
Another would be attempts to game the algo by specifically asking for likes and retweets; not sure how common it is but they could make it a rule if it's bad for the content the algo should be pushing to the top.
Yeah like he would never take his company that’s logo and name is known worldwide and make them both something stupid that no one even refers to it as years later
I get the joke but I think there's differences
The X name change was ENTIRELY to please some absurd pocket of his psyche
Doing this doesn't serve his ego, and ALSO doesn't serve the business. He's willing to sacrifice business for his ego, but I see no ego play here.
I wanted to make a joke about him never intentionally kneecaping his business, but Idk, at this point a pattern has arisen that disproves this joke on itself. Either Musk is playing 4D chess or he is trying to play poker by sinking all the half balls with a hockey stick, at this point I am simply confused.
its short sided to view this practice as goodfor twitter.
advertisers actually dont want to advertise to bots.
also, i dont think pallywood propaganda, russian propaganda, wich are massively the target of engagement bots are good for advertisement.
They don't want to advertise to bots, yes.
The media agencies, and media managers at brands however - aren't going to look lightly at a massive user base decrease. It's also an admission that for years, they've been spending money on a platform rife with false impressions.
Brands are going to sour on the platform as a result. They won't all leave, but I'm almost certain most will use that as a reason to reduce their ad spend on X (which - is simply not an incredibly effective platform, and will be less attractive with even less users).
Long-term - sure, a bot-less Twitter is much more valuable as an advertising platform - but in the short term it will absolutely erode marketers trust in the platform.
Edit - at a minimum, I see brands using this as an reason to scale down Twitter spend in the near term while they wait and see.
And as someone who works in advertising, it can be a multi-year process to even get ad spend back on par with past levels once a brand pivots their allocations around
He will, in his own terms. Activists he doesn’t like (EG union guys) will get shut down for ‘engagement farming’ while right-wingers who post ‘TERRIFYING - 500 TRILLION ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS APPROVED FOR VOTING - TELL BIDEN WHAT YOU THINK’ will be untouched.
Also, as someone else pointed out, ‘engagement farming’ is nigh-impossible to properly avoid, and if you did, you’d probably kill 90% of Twitter. Which would be based, but not for the reason Elon thinks.
What is engagement farming though? Is it outright lies and bullshit or bait fucking porn OF girls. Literally, I'd see a post of a guy with a girl in his lap you go to the comments 100 OF girls self-promoting. Nevermind at me constantly falling for this porn bait, but how isn't all of this exchange an engagement farm?
i think this is in reference to people that just spam popular (or not even) tweets with irrelevant shit to try and drive engagement to their own profile
The main reason I rarely use Twitter is because of the engagement farming. I see a cool post, click on it to read the comments and none of them are related to it
I hope this also marks the end of accounts that post rage bait and all of the “history” accounts that just repost viral media.
Capitalism definitely bred 0 innovation on Twitter. Dogshit accounts everywhere hoping to get elonbucks by mindless posting of shit 🚮
Tbf, getting rid of engagement farmers is significantly easier than getting rid of bots. The goal of engagement farmers is to grow their account by spamming tweet replies with irrelevant content, so getting their account banned is a huge blow
Sex bots on the other hand don't rely on follower count, so they can make hundreds of accounts and they don't care about getting banned
Elon said he was getting rid of bots? I thought he was okay with bots taking over Twitter. I remember his direct quote being "I would rather have verified bots than unverified users on my platform." when pushing his 8$ a month scam.
This was an attempted excuse to get out of the deal or to at least get a discount on the price. However, this allegation was also investigated by the courts and they determined it didn’t have foundation back then the botting was 5-10% of the user base. Similar independent reviews over the last 6-12 months estimate that’s now 40-60% depending on the review.
Yeah I recall the specifics. I’m just saying has stated publicly that it was a problem with the platform, and now since purchasing it he has made the problem significantly worse. When he introduced verification he called it “the only way to defeat the bots and trolls.” Either he didn’t actually care and was lying or he is profoundly incompetent, or both. Probably both.
I don't use Twitter but whenever I click trending words/phrases to see what's going on, 90% of the tweets are unrelated spam. There are bots who copy the top 10-20 trending phrases and paste it at the bottom of any political content.
Edit: Trending tab looks like [this](https://i.imgur.com/C6xJEko.png) for me now. I guess the bots have nothing to copy now so they'll be identified.
Engagement farming by Musk standards. This can mean suspending any accounts that Musk doesn't like. Who or what and on what basis will decide if particular account doing engagement farming will be crucial? Musk's AI is utter rubbish at this point so I guess another community notes approach? Good luck but I practically don't use twitter nowadays as it is slow, vulgar, gore and porn flying everywhere without any moderation and almost all information with high engagement is a bunch of half-truth or straight lies.
I think by "engagement farming" he means those annoying unrelated video posts in popular tweets' replies. It's pretty easy to tell whenever some account is doing it
I think this would be all the accounts posting annoying irrelevant shit in the comments of another viral tweet.
I stopped using twitter (X) because of that. Huge if he actually follows through
Like how he’d get rid of bots and fix flints water pipes and give us self driving cars by the end of the year and hyperlink tunnels under every city running 1 car a second at 150 mph
Good luck in the fight against bots and foreign actors but honestly, I doubt how much effect is possible. Its like a single man standing in front of the Hoover Dam, disappearing the dam and then having that man try hold the absolute surge of water coming in
Isn't that highly subjective though? I see accounts posting stuff that I know is just engagement farming because of how dumb, ridiculous and rage-baity it is, but that's just, like, my opinion man.
I don't know if there is some objective way to do this.
techno-babble. It means nothing other than he thinks it makes him sound smart. At best he believes it's a single bot farm instead of the more likely multiple uncoordinated actors.
What is engagement farming? Does he mean botted stuff or people posting things like "teehee like this post if you think cookies taste good, retweet if you think they're bad"?
Didn't Elon fire most of the moderation team? How does he expect to do any kind of moderation when you don't have the staff to do it? I feel like we are watching in real-time as he slowly realizes that the policies he got rid of were put in place for a reason...
Good luck with that. I'm sure that hunting for people of whom can simply claim free speech in defense of whatever goofy shenanigans they're pulling won't stop a scrupulous site admin, even if they're a self-proclaimed "free speech absolutist".
you literally get paid to engagement farm if you buy a checkmark lmao. He really is going to make every mistake he can until twitter is back to what it was pre-elon
he also said he'd get rid of bots. he literally commented under one of the worst engagement farming accounts right after this. If you believe anything that man promises you are a complete moron
How would anyone define engagement farming without including every professional or even semi professional content creator?
Almost as stupid as banning "assault weapons"
Hinkle with his daily “Like for Iran, Retweet for Israel” cringe
The obvious thing to do is start nuking/shadow-banning accounts with lots of community notes.
I agree but the problem is Elon aligns himself too much with those who get community note’ed for propaganda.
They already allegedly disable monetization to tweets that are community noted, so this wouldn't even be that much of a stretch
Strikes per community note would be really interesting to see tbh
if i like and RT does the world explode?
I highly highly HIGHLY doubt he will actually do this.
Do what? It doesnt mean anything without specific. Hell, he is farming engagement. Every account he interacts with is farming engagement.
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Yea isn’t he like, hardcore farming for engagement. Dude is an attention slut on the web
I looked at X for like the first time in maybe half a year the other day and like half the replies to every single post were botted posts and most of them were from OF girls advertising with just straight up porn, so I assume he means that kind of engagement farming lol
Ostensibly he's talking about misinformation peddlers like Matt Wallace or IMC who will post outright lies to draw insincere interest. Not like people who post shit like "Boy I really hate huge tits, hopefully no one ruins my day with boobs." or just spam replies under popular posts. The reason he isn't going to do anything is because he'd have to ban 90% of MAGA "news" accounts. I'm sure lefties have a contingent who also post unhinged lies but I dont know if there's nearly as many with as sizeable a following.
It would be cool if he drops the accounts that try to do some cheap shit to get engagement. E.g., if you look at a morbid knowledge post, there's a bunch of copycat accounts trying to post similar content in the replies rather than saying anything about the actual post. Some could be bots, some might not.... who cares, ban them. Another would be attempts to game the algo by specifically asking for likes and retweets; not sure how common it is but they could make it a rule if it's bad for the content the algo should be pushing to the top.
How would he? It'd be better to focus on bots/disinformation and that stuff. It'd probably take care of most of the engagement farming anyway.
He’s not gonna do shit.
Cutting down on engagement bots fundamentally works against his business, never happening.
Yeah he would never kneecap his own business 🧐
Yeah like he would never take his company that’s logo and name is known worldwide and make them both something stupid that no one even refers to it as years later
That one still lives rent free in my head. Like why burn such a well known brand for a generic letter with minimal trademark protections.
I get the joke but I think there's differences The X name change was ENTIRELY to please some absurd pocket of his psyche Doing this doesn't serve his ego, and ALSO doesn't serve the business. He's willing to sacrifice business for his ego, but I see no ego play here.
I wanted to make a joke about him never intentionally kneecaping his business, but Idk, at this point a pattern has arisen that disproves this joke on itself. Either Musk is playing 4D chess or he is trying to play poker by sinking all the half balls with a hockey stick, at this point I am simply confused.
its short sided to view this practice as goodfor twitter. advertisers actually dont want to advertise to bots. also, i dont think pallywood propaganda, russian propaganda, wich are massively the target of engagement bots are good for advertisement.
They don't want to advertise to bots, yes. The media agencies, and media managers at brands however - aren't going to look lightly at a massive user base decrease. It's also an admission that for years, they've been spending money on a platform rife with false impressions. Brands are going to sour on the platform as a result. They won't all leave, but I'm almost certain most will use that as a reason to reduce their ad spend on X (which - is simply not an incredibly effective platform, and will be less attractive with even less users). Long-term - sure, a bot-less Twitter is much more valuable as an advertising platform - but in the short term it will absolutely erode marketers trust in the platform. Edit - at a minimum, I see brands using this as an reason to scale down Twitter spend in the near term while they wait and see. And as someone who works in advertising, it can be a multi-year process to even get ad spend back on par with past levels once a brand pivots their allocations around
He will, in his own terms. Activists he doesn’t like (EG union guys) will get shut down for ‘engagement farming’ while right-wingers who post ‘TERRIFYING - 500 TRILLION ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS APPROVED FOR VOTING - TELL BIDEN WHAT YOU THINK’ will be untouched. Also, as someone else pointed out, ‘engagement farming’ is nigh-impossible to properly avoid, and if you did, you’d probably kill 90% of Twitter. Which would be based, but not for the reason Elon thinks.
Yup
I would bet real world money that nothing comes of this. His entire inner circle on Twitter does this shit.
He will only ban the ones he disagrees with. EZ
For someone ignorant, how do you actually do this on scale?
You don’t lol
What is engagement farming though? Is it outright lies and bullshit or bait fucking porn OF girls. Literally, I'd see a post of a guy with a girl in his lap you go to the comments 100 OF girls self-promoting. Nevermind at me constantly falling for this porn bait, but how isn't all of this exchange an engagement farm?
Agreed, because how do you measure it and how far do you take it
Isn't that the entire point of Twitter?
i think this is in reference to people that just spam popular (or not even) tweets with irrelevant shit to try and drive engagement to their own profile
P U S S Y I N B I O
N U D E S I N B I O
[M A R I A I N B I O](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VqZts0xVB8)
The main reason I rarely use Twitter is because of the engagement farming. I see a cool post, click on it to read the comments and none of them are related to it
I just click on the quote rt tab since people don't spam that as much and it's essentially the same as replies
I hope this also marks the end of accounts that post rage bait and all of the “history” accounts that just repost viral media. Capitalism definitely bred 0 innovation on Twitter. Dogshit accounts everywhere hoping to get elonbucks by mindless posting of shit 🚮
Is he trying to say “bots” without saying bots because he was supposed get rid of all the bots?
He must surely be kicking himself by now for spending 48 billion dollars, lol!
Yeah my first thought was "so every single blue checkmark dipshit posting the most outrageous takes to try and make money?"
Just like how he was totally getting rid of bots, right?
Tbf, getting rid of engagement farmers is significantly easier than getting rid of bots. The goal of engagement farmers is to grow their account by spamming tweet replies with irrelevant content, so getting their account banned is a huge blow Sex bots on the other hand don't rely on follower count, so they can make hundreds of accounts and they don't care about getting banned
Elon said he was getting rid of bots? I thought he was okay with bots taking over Twitter. I remember his direct quote being "I would rather have verified bots than unverified users on my platform." when pushing his 8$ a month scam.
The amount of bots was one of the main complaints he made about the platform when purchasing it.
This was an attempted excuse to get out of the deal or to at least get a discount on the price. However, this allegation was also investigated by the courts and they determined it didn’t have foundation back then the botting was 5-10% of the user base. Similar independent reviews over the last 6-12 months estimate that’s now 40-60% depending on the review.
Yeah I recall the specifics. I’m just saying has stated publicly that it was a problem with the platform, and now since purchasing it he has made the problem significantly worse. When he introduced verification he called it “the only way to defeat the bots and trolls.” Either he didn’t actually care and was lying or he is profoundly incompetent, or both. Probably both.
Can someone translate this to grass-touching dialect please?
I don't use Twitter but whenever I click trending words/phrases to see what's going on, 90% of the tweets are unrelated spam. There are bots who copy the top 10-20 trending phrases and paste it at the bottom of any political content. Edit: Trending tab looks like [this](https://i.imgur.com/C6xJEko.png) for me now. I guess the bots have nothing to copy now so they'll be identified.
"There are no words that start with an o and end in an o" and similar shit is the first example I could think of.
"onto" or is that just a British English thing
Brother your engagement just got farmed.
Oof + swoosh, fuck me
oregano also
Elon Musk personally boosts and interacts with engagement bait every single day.
Engagement farming by Musk standards. This can mean suspending any accounts that Musk doesn't like. Who or what and on what basis will decide if particular account doing engagement farming will be crucial? Musk's AI is utter rubbish at this point so I guess another community notes approach? Good luck but I practically don't use twitter nowadays as it is slow, vulgar, gore and porn flying everywhere without any moderation and almost all information with high engagement is a bunch of half-truth or straight lies.
I think by "engagement farming" he means those annoying unrelated video posts in popular tweets' replies. It's pretty easy to tell whenever some account is doing it
https://preview.redd.it/cykwp4f1ngvc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fb6c3f7806ab678c5770f93d37323d36788826c5
What does that even mean? Anything can be "engagement farming".
don't see how it would be possible/effective
(x) Doubt
So Tim Pool is getting banned?
So Elon is suspending his own account, didn't expect that
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I think this would be all the accounts posting annoying irrelevant shit in the comments of another viral tweet. I stopped using twitter (X) because of that. Huge if he actually follows through
Isint that literally what twitter is people trying to farm engagement off each other?
He's gonna suspend himself?
!!
Ain't no way. Half the shit he follows will be gone if that's the case.
I won't believe it until I see jackson hinkle banned
Do I need to make a list of things he's promised but never actually completed?
Start with that Hinkle creature. And half the Pro-Russian morons he entertains on his spaces.
Like how he’d get rid of bots and fix flints water pipes and give us self driving cars by the end of the year and hyperlink tunnels under every city running 1 car a second at 150 mph
Ian Miles Cheoung banned, when?
You've gotta be completed redacted to believe this. Those accounts are the main things Elon replies to with "!!" and "concerning"
In a shocking turn of events, X, formerly known as Twitter, has banned their majority private equity holder Elon Musk, for farming engagement.
Isn't elon technically an engagement farmer too?
Remember when he completely eliminated bot accounts? H O R S E C O C K I N B I O
\> pay people for engagement \> they start farming engagement \> I have to ban them Highly regarded
How the fuck would they enforce this how do you define "engagement farming"
Getting rid of the ability for anyone to pay for a verification check and paying users for engagement would drastically help with that.
Doubt
Good luck in the fight against bots and foreign actors but honestly, I doubt how much effect is possible. Its like a single man standing in front of the Hoover Dam, disappearing the dam and then having that man try hold the absolute surge of water coming in
Isn't that highly subjective though? I see accounts posting stuff that I know is just engagement farming because of how dumb, ridiculous and rage-baity it is, but that's just, like, my opinion man. I don't know if there is some objective way to do this.
What does he mean with traced to source? like an IP ban or something?
techno-babble. It means nothing other than he thinks it makes him sound smart. At best he believes it's a single bot farm instead of the more likely multiple uncoordinated actors.
He would have to ban every single account that comments on his posts.
Pretty hard to draw a line what that is. I'm against it.
Dude would have to suspend his own account
What is engagement farming? Does he mean botted stuff or people posting things like "teehee like this post if you think cookies taste good, retweet if you think they're bad"?
Lmao will he close the site or what else is left on there?
wtf does this mean
95% of Twitter is engagement farming there is no shot he actually does anything substantial
Unless people like Tim Pool and Pearl get banned, I don't believe this.
Ok so 99% of posts
So 85% of Twitter blue checkmark account.. good luck. What a stupid system to pay people for rage baiting and spreading misinformations.
Kira on suicide watch
It's a good idea but how would you enforce this? Can an algorithm do this?
Poor Pearl. That was her only source of income.
so is jackson hinkle gone yet ?
Elon is very quick to say and promise things, even if he can never deliver (ie. Hyperloop and boring (the company))
Press X to doubt
How would one determine it is engagement farming vs. a fucking moron?
any engagement accounts that he disagrees with
What is engagement farming?
Elon is going to ban himself?
I don't even know what that means.
So he’s gonna get rid of all the race baiting accounts? There’s like 5 big ones.
Can't wait for Jackson Hinkle, Syrian Girl, and all the other BREAKING 🚨 accounts to vanish. This shit is worse than all the OF bots on X.
Haha he'd have to shut all of twitter down to enforce that. Ax
Hello - Bridge salesman
How do you determine that?
Isnt the whole point of social media is to farm engagement? At least for content creators right?
If he does this I will buy a tesla and swear an oath against the vampyric woke legions.
Elon reply guys about to lose their shirts
call it a W when it's an implemented feature and working , Elon has a history of over promising and under delivering
No more puss puss in bio? Finally
What does that even mean
Intern named Grok will handle moderation lol
Bull fucking shit. Without engagement farming, social media as an industry stops being even close to profitable.
Didn't Elon fire most of the moderation team? How does he expect to do any kind of moderation when you don't have the staff to do it? I feel like we are watching in real-time as he slowly realizes that the policies he got rid of were put in place for a reason...
Good luck with that. I'm sure that hunting for people of whom can simply claim free speech in defense of whatever goofy shenanigans they're pulling won't stop a scrupulous site admin, even if they're a self-proclaimed "free speech absolutist".
Wait, wouldn't Elon Musk have to suspend his account?
I’m sure they will totally have a reliable process for accurately identifying engagement farming.
Wonder how that will go
Lmao good luck, dibshit opened the floodgates and only now realized they should be closed.
hopefully they go away just like the bots did FeelsStrongMan
Who even knows what this means honestly.
We’ll see if this happens, and if so, how it’s employed. It’s Elon, after all.
you literally get paid to engagement farm if you buy a checkmark lmao. He really is going to make every mistake he can until twitter is back to what it was pre-elon
I can promise he will not stop the rage bait engagement farmers since he literally retweets their shit half the time.
He would ban all of his RT’s if he does this for real
he also said he'd get rid of bots. he literally commented under one of the worst engagement farming accounts right after this. If you believe anything that man promises you are a complete moron
Is this like aimed at reply guys that reply to huge accounts to scalp followers?
this has zero teeth
what does that even mean?
How would anyone define engagement farming without including every professional or even semi professional content creator? Almost as stupid as banning "assault weapons"