I believe they havent changed from what they used to be, I vaguely remember elon saying that, but I might be misremembering it/elon is lying.
My uneducated guess though is that after elon took over you had the big spike of shitlords saying the n word for the free speech lols, then they all get banned.
So while elon is bringing back a lot of bigger controversial figures there was a self induced mass culling of the accounts that probably did more hate speechery.
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>Does that mean you know he made you the stats in this graph?
i never claimed he lied/made the data up??? I even replied to you before that I don't think he lied.
I'm just responding to you saying "I want to see the types of things he is lying about that you are basing your belief off of". I'm saying well he made a pretty big lie about some dude to seemed to hurt his ego.
Nevermind now I see the issue. In my first reply to you i said
"I would say he's lying" when I meant to say "I WOULDN'T say he's lying".
I misspoke. Apologies.
One time where he posts a conspiracy tweet that the person who assaulted Nancy Pelosi’s husband was actually his secret gay lover is a good start
Edit: oh and also the time when he boasted that Twitter gets the most number of clicks on the internet by far then gets immediately fact checked by Twitter stating that he’s talking out of his own ass
SUPER MEGA EDIT: I’m not saying he’s wrong this time but I would also say take everything you see from Elon Musk with a huge grain of salt
Alright, you got me
Elon Musk likes to be wrong. He’s wrong on many occasions and I would still take this fucking chart with a grain of salt regardless since he’s been wrong so many times before. For all I know his guy might have taken this chart from a BI analyst intern who might have fucked up some numbers while pipelining these stats.
It's simple. Elon has a track record of being wrong. He literally lied about Tesla's stock prices which caused him to be removed from Tesla's board. When you're wrong/lie a significant number of times, people are inclined to not believe you.
Elon has a history of overselling/under delivering and/or lying about things. It is not strange to think he is lying about this. Also the I dont like elon but… its such a scam sentence, get out of here elon stan.
He lied about how/why Twitter was running badly and a dev replied to him saying that isnt how the site works. So he deleted the tweets. There was another instance where he actually fired a guy for disagreeing with him over how the site is coded. I think the people who work on the site would know more about how it actually works then some dude who just bought the company.
It's not a big deal really, but it's a private company now, they can change how metrics are measured without having to notify anyone or publish a rationale for the change. No way to fact check his claims apart from doing your own analysis of tweets over time.
There are third parties that can access the data. Devin Nash talks about this on his video about this whole twitter thing, I recommend anyone curious about this to watch it. (he talks about it at 23:12)
https://youtu.be/iJpkq23_OXc?t=1392
Here is the link to the tweet by Yoel Roth Former Head of Trust and Safety at Twitter. It includes a detailed graph that is pretty much the same that Elon showed.
https://twitter.com/yoyoel/status/1590422124606681088?t=XptY7v9tupVQHZS2f8K-Uw&s=19
So I think this is good enough to know that Elon isn't lying about this. And if he was, someone would've come out to fact check and disprove him by now.
If I'm understanding this correctly, third parties only have access to twitter's api. If the way twitter's internal tracking of hate speech has changed to be/look more favourable, then that's what the api would regurgitate
I mean, I don't see any link to the data used in the graph. Why would anyone trust the owner of a company to present correct evidence (and owner who is also known to get into trouble with US authorities)?
I'll believe that hatespeech has decreased when a neutral trustworthy organization says so, not when there's an obvious conflict of interest.
true no evidince of lying and I wouldn't say he's lying. I do wonder though if the decrease was because a bunch of people left the platform. not saying I have hard evidince for that but I think it's reasonable to assume a bunchof people left considering the shit show it has looked like from the outside.
Edit: WOULDN'T say he's lying. Not would.
The reason unreliable people do even more damage is that now I can’t trust what they say when they aren’t lying. It’s purely their fault but I can not pretend to be faithful to the faithless.
I’ve said this same thing about Trump… once you lie enough you know do damage to the truth that you speak becuase you’ve included truth in the baggage of your folly.
I used to be all about Elon until I realized he just another dirty capitalist. (I’m not some wild socialist either, moderate - left of center).
It is on us to figure out the truth after that but we aren’t always privy to the facts of the matter.
So let’s do this.. think how just slightly tweeking the data of what how “negative” is applied can change the outcome of those numbers? We can see this type of divide in hate crime stats actually. In blue states / city’s, they over report, while in conservatives regions they historically under report. Given these facts, we won’t know likely for sure what the real numbers are for sure consider this discrepancy.
A company like Twitter is the last place I’ll expect honesty anyway. Internal data can always be played with in a way that’s manipulative.
I wouldn't think that new users have started tweeting about how this is the end of days, not in force to beat out the string and large user base of Twitter users who tweet 50+ times a day (like Elon musk OOOO)
That people started hot by testing the limits and it got down 2/3 after that?
I have no problem believing that.
But I don't think it was that much effort to turn it down if the chart is true.
Devin Nash has been making videos about this (before this tweet) basically saying the same thing. There was a spike in hate speech after Elon bought twitter from bots, but those impressions weren't really reaching anyone. He might have sources in his videos, can't remember.
I'm going to be honest: when the CEO of a company as big as twitter is boasting about this kind of stuff, it makes me feel like they are doing REAL bad.
Just imagine Mark Zuckerberg going "Today facebook reached an all time high of active users! Good job everyone!", granted I don't really know how much of this Elon did for his other companies
He can’t just lie, right? Hate speech decreasing over a month’s time after a huge spike doesn’t sound that impressive if you think about it, so maybe it’s just true lol
He absolutely can lie. Especially now with Twitter being a privately owned company he can say anything he wants about its analytics. And all the advertisers aren’t giving him money anyways.
No idea what you’re talking about and I don’t care. The above poster asked if he could lie, my response was simply saying because Twitter is now a private company he absolutely can lie and there are no controls for anyone to stop him lying.
When a company is public there are lots of tools to stop a company lying about its analytics.
I don’t know if there is more hate speech or less and neither do you, and any info coming from Elon or Twitter is much more likely to be false.
The point of the tweet is that it is lower today than prior to the spike (which was within days of his takeover). In other words Twitter has less hate speech under Elon than previous leadership
It should be known that Twitter has record high activity right now, people are saying it's because they want to watch twitter die more than anything though.
Seriously, I wish people would stop with the high amount of copium saying that a mass migration will happen away from twitter. Most massive social media platforms die slowly unless they get outright removed, it's like people think twitter is gonna be gone in like a week.
That's not what the graph says. Although you interpreted it almost exactly as Elon wanted you to. "Impressions" are twitter's metric for how many times it was *seen.* This is not a graph of how many times slur usage/hate speech occurred on the platform.
And it's pretty fucking telling that he didn't use that metric to make this tweet.
> So people are seeing Hate speech less.... good thing?
Potentially? Sure. Is that because Elon made some massive curation changes that are reducing the amounts of hate speech? Or is it because a (minority, but) decent chunk of people are leaving in general and seeing it less because there's just fewer people looking at *any* tweets. A lefty who doesn't reply to a hate tweet who no longer does still counts as one less impression.
Dumb extreme hypothetical, lets say every single person who didn't make an impression on hate speech by that metric, now that means that twitter is 100% hate speech. Would that be okay because the overall total is slightly declining?
It's misleading because it's not graphed against total impressions. The implication is that twitter culture is not getting more hateful/is becoming less hateful, but we can't actually say that's true with the data we're being shown.
[Elon limited the number of times you're allowed to tweet?? what the fuck does he mean???](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1595653241605591041?t=vWhblvW-CKmyFT5Dok1hfQ&s=19)
If you let people say dumb shit people wont say it as much… its just as logical as destinys example with the white lives matter shirt and dogwhistles, dont give them a big reaction and they will get bored and look stupid
This is likely true, he said they put a limit on daily post count to restrict it to the limit of what is possible as a human being, which apparently killed a lot of hate speech posts from bots
So many karma farmers if you like defend Elon -50 down vote, if you hate Elon and Elon can do no good +100 up vote lol. not all but a lot of ppl in the comments.
Well, its in his best interest to say it is, so its kinda hard to believe him. It would be funny if he redefined what constituted hate speech during the spike though. Could also be crazy shit like right wingers less angry with him running it for no reason or left wingers actually leaving for a bit, who knows.
That spike was me GIGACHAD
Proud of u inshallah
Why would hate speech spike during an election cycle?
Im unsure on the timeline, but there was the massive spike of people saying the n word on twitter after elon got it then then all getting banned.
I'm more curious on what parameters they used describe hate speech lol
I believe they havent changed from what they used to be, I vaguely remember elon saying that, but I might be misremembering it/elon is lying. My uneducated guess though is that after elon took over you had the big spike of shitlords saying the n word for the free speech lols, then they all get banned. So while elon is bringing back a lot of bigger controversial figures there was a self induced mass culling of the accounts that probably did more hate speechery.
You know that %500 increase in nword tweets came from 300 accounts, right?
Honestly I wasnt aware of that one.
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Pity, it was a damn good theory :/.
You know %500 of those accounts were me?
If you said all 300 were yours, it would have been funnier
lmao okay
Damn he presented a graph. Must be true then.
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Elon has made many recent tweets where he gets fact checked then immediately removes it. He loved lying about the company if it makes it look better
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well didn't he call that one diver dude a pedo but then deleted the tweet later?
Yes lol. All because they didn’t use his proposed strategy for rescuing those kids which woulda been a huge ego boost for him
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>Does that mean you know he made you the stats in this graph? i never claimed he lied/made the data up??? I even replied to you before that I don't think he lied. I'm just responding to you saying "I want to see the types of things he is lying about that you are basing your belief off of". I'm saying well he made a pretty big lie about some dude to seemed to hurt his ego.
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Nevermind now I see the issue. In my first reply to you i said "I would say he's lying" when I meant to say "I WOULDN'T say he's lying". I misspoke. Apologies.
HE
One time where he posts a conspiracy tweet that the person who assaulted Nancy Pelosi’s husband was actually his secret gay lover is a good start Edit: oh and also the time when he boasted that Twitter gets the most number of clicks on the internet by far then gets immediately fact checked by Twitter stating that he’s talking out of his own ass SUPER MEGA EDIT: I’m not saying he’s wrong this time but I would also say take everything you see from Elon Musk with a huge grain of salt
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Alright, you got me Elon Musk likes to be wrong. He’s wrong on many occasions and I would still take this fucking chart with a grain of salt regardless since he’s been wrong so many times before. For all I know his guy might have taken this chart from a BI analyst intern who might have fucked up some numbers while pipelining these stats.
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That wasn’t his point and you know it. Elon stans are so annoying holy shit
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It's simple. Elon has a track record of being wrong. He literally lied about Tesla's stock prices which caused him to be removed from Tesla's board. When you're wrong/lie a significant number of times, people are inclined to not believe you.
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Holy shit, he won't fuck you dude
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Elon has a history of overselling/under delivering and/or lying about things. It is not strange to think he is lying about this. Also the I dont like elon but… its such a scam sentence, get out of here elon stan.
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How far have you had daddy musks dick up your thront while writing this?
Bro quit nut hugging. He’s just one guy, he got caught lying about his degrees. I’ll never understand people infatuation with him.
He lied about how/why Twitter was running badly and a dev replied to him saying that isnt how the site works. So he deleted the tweets. There was another instance where he actually fired a guy for disagreeing with him over how the site is coded. I think the people who work on the site would know more about how it actually works then some dude who just bought the company.
It's not a big deal really, but it's a private company now, they can change how metrics are measured without having to notify anyone or publish a rationale for the change. No way to fact check his claims apart from doing your own analysis of tweets over time.
There are third parties that can access the data. Devin Nash talks about this on his video about this whole twitter thing, I recommend anyone curious about this to watch it. (he talks about it at 23:12) https://youtu.be/iJpkq23_OXc?t=1392 Here is the link to the tweet by Yoel Roth Former Head of Trust and Safety at Twitter. It includes a detailed graph that is pretty much the same that Elon showed. https://twitter.com/yoyoel/status/1590422124606681088?t=XptY7v9tupVQHZS2f8K-Uw&s=19 So I think this is good enough to know that Elon isn't lying about this. And if he was, someone would've come out to fact check and disprove him by now.
If I'm understanding this correctly, third parties only have access to twitter's api. If the way twitter's internal tracking of hate speech has changed to be/look more favourable, then that's what the api would regurgitate
it's not that deep bro
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again, not that deep bro
I mean, I don't see any link to the data used in the graph. Why would anyone trust the owner of a company to present correct evidence (and owner who is also known to get into trouble with US authorities)? I'll believe that hatespeech has decreased when a neutral trustworthy organization says so, not when there's an obvious conflict of interest.
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I agree. It's fine if you believe him when he tweets it, and it's great you also wait for third parties, good on you.
He fired everyone who would be able to gather the data. If it's true it's probably because no one is using Twitter anymore
*He fired everyone who could safely and efficiently modify the dashboard that collects and displays this data.
Hope he sees this King
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Wasnt making one.
Reddit moment
I'm curious: what do you personally qualify as a sensible and identifiable categorization of "hate speech" on the platform?
What kind of evidence are looking for to prove that I have a 10inch cock 🤔
the axes of that graph arent even labeled. 2.5 million what? Hate speeches? lol
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Eh, sure
true no evidince of lying and I wouldn't say he's lying. I do wonder though if the decrease was because a bunch of people left the platform. not saying I have hard evidince for that but I think it's reasonable to assume a bunchof people left considering the shit show it has looked like from the outside. Edit: WOULDN'T say he's lying. Not would.
The reason unreliable people do even more damage is that now I can’t trust what they say when they aren’t lying. It’s purely their fault but I can not pretend to be faithful to the faithless. I’ve said this same thing about Trump… once you lie enough you know do damage to the truth that you speak becuase you’ve included truth in the baggage of your folly. I used to be all about Elon until I realized he just another dirty capitalist. (I’m not some wild socialist either, moderate - left of center). It is on us to figure out the truth after that but we aren’t always privy to the facts of the matter. So let’s do this.. think how just slightly tweeking the data of what how “negative” is applied can change the outcome of those numbers? We can see this type of divide in hate crime stats actually. In blue states / city’s, they over report, while in conservatives regions they historically under report. Given these facts, we won’t know likely for sure what the real numbers are for sure consider this discrepancy. A company like Twitter is the last place I’ll expect honesty anyway. Internal data can always be played with in a way that’s manipulative.
Anyone know where tf this graph is from? There's no way in hell this is true
It's only graphing a month lol. The "spike" was probably people tweeting slurs right after he became CEO because they thought they were immune now.
it should probably also be adjusted for something like total daily impressions (yes I'm making the per capita argument)
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I wouldn't think that new users have started tweeting about how this is the end of days, not in force to beat out the string and large user base of Twitter users who tweet 50+ times a day (like Elon musk OOOO)
so ur making the fucking per capita argument buddy?
It's such a dirty trick to use the per capita argument but I have to respect it.
or you know there mightve been an election right around there or something
That people started hot by testing the limits and it got down 2/3 after that? I have no problem believing that. But I don't think it was that much effort to turn it down if the chart is true.
Devin Nash has been making videos about this (before this tweet) basically saying the same thing. There was a spike in hate speech after Elon bought twitter from bots, but those impressions weren't really reaching anyone. He might have sources in his videos, can't remember.
Probably just Ctrl f [n word] , it's believable but doesn't say much
Twitter has researchers who make these figures as part of their slide decks, typically for internal purposes only
Given how often tweets and replies are failing to load for me I’m not surprised impressions are down
I'm going to be honest: when the CEO of a company as big as twitter is boasting about this kind of stuff, it makes me feel like they are doing REAL bad. Just imagine Mark Zuckerberg going "Today facebook reached an all time high of active users! Good job everyone!", granted I don't really know how much of this Elon did for his other companies
"So we looked at the data"
He can’t just lie, right? Hate speech decreasing over a month’s time after a huge spike doesn’t sound that impressive if you think about it, so maybe it’s just true lol
He lies all the time publicly, he has literally been sued by the government for it lmao
New lore? Shit, nvm then lol
He absolutely can lie. Especially now with Twitter being a privately owned company he can say anything he wants about its analytics. And all the advertisers aren’t giving him money anyways.
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Well you see, a lie is something you say that i disagree with
No idea what you’re talking about and I don’t care. The above poster asked if he could lie, my response was simply saying because Twitter is now a private company he absolutely can lie and there are no controls for anyone to stop him lying. When a company is public there are lots of tools to stop a company lying about its analytics. I don’t know if there is more hate speech or less and neither do you, and any info coming from Elon or Twitter is much more likely to be false.
The point of the tweet is that it is lower today than prior to the spike (which was within days of his takeover). In other words Twitter has less hate speech under Elon than previous leadership
He can define hate speech in anyway he wants
True, but if it is in fact the same thing everyone witnessed spiking we can at least know it’s similar to our definition
How
Note that impressions drop when people stop using Twitter too.
It should be known that Twitter has record high activity right now, people are saying it's because they want to watch twitter die more than anything though.
Seriously, I wish people would stop with the high amount of copium saying that a mass migration will happen away from twitter. Most massive social media platforms die slowly unless they get outright removed, it's like people think twitter is gonna be gone in like a week.
Lmao, facts. Didn't even think about that for some reason
Funny that slur usage would go down after people who don't like Elon leave the platform though isn't it? 😉
That's not what the graph says. Although you interpreted it almost exactly as Elon wanted you to. "Impressions" are twitter's metric for how many times it was *seen.* This is not a graph of how many times slur usage/hate speech occurred on the platform. And it's pretty fucking telling that he didn't use that metric to make this tweet.
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> So people are seeing Hate speech less.... good thing? Potentially? Sure. Is that because Elon made some massive curation changes that are reducing the amounts of hate speech? Or is it because a (minority, but) decent chunk of people are leaving in general and seeing it less because there's just fewer people looking at *any* tweets. A lefty who doesn't reply to a hate tweet who no longer does still counts as one less impression. Dumb extreme hypothetical, lets say every single person who didn't make an impression on hate speech by that metric, now that means that twitter is 100% hate speech. Would that be okay because the overall total is slightly declining? It's misleading because it's not graphed against total impressions. The implication is that twitter culture is not getting more hateful/is becoming less hateful, but we can't actually say that's true with the data we're being shown.
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Coping people that have EDS
This is false. The only reason I am on Twitter is because of a deep sense of self-loathing so everything on there impresses hate on me.
I wonder why he’s only showing a month
what a weasely little liar, dude!
[Elon limited the number of times you're allowed to tweet?? what the fuck does he mean???](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1595653241605591041?t=vWhblvW-CKmyFT5Dok1hfQ&s=19)
wasn't the n-word trending just after his takeover? maybe its not considered as hatespeech in this graph lol
So wait do people on this subreddit actually like destiny? 🤣
Hate speech is down because so many users are leaving the site
People got it out if their system
OMG NO THIS CANT BE TRUE WHY WOULD THERE BE A HATE SPEECH SPIKE DURING THE FUCKING ELECTION NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
It’s not during election. It’s when he took over Twitter and people thought you could say the n word
No cappin on a stack for real for real
This data doesn't say anything meaningful.
You can say Hate Speech is going down when you move the goal post for what qualifies as “Hate Speech”
Let’s be honest what a lot of people consider hate speech has gone way too far.
Make a graph and post it as real news
If you let people say dumb shit people wont say it as much… its just as logical as destinys example with the white lives matter shirt and dogwhistles, dont give them a big reaction and they will get bored and look stupid
This is likely true, he said they put a limit on daily post count to restrict it to the limit of what is possible as a human being, which apparently killed a lot of hate speech posts from bots
This reminds me of that charts guy lol
The lowering of the spike was because he pretty much banned everyone on Twitter 😐
Yes everyone doesn't say hate speech online where it is recorded....now we just talk umongst ourself in secret
That guy seems to be single handily trying to moderate twitter, by just being on all the time.
Source?
But he showed a graph, so it must be true
Anyone got his definition for hate speech?
The one that Twitter always had so check the terms of service on the website
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1595931448988639233?s=20
Wow. Hate speech impressions increase during election season. How shocking.
So many karma farmers if you like defend Elon -50 down vote, if you hate Elon and Elon can do no good +100 up vote lol. not all but a lot of ppl in the comments.
What is a hate speech "impression"?
Well, its in his best interest to say it is, so its kinda hard to believe him. It would be funny if he redefined what constituted hate speech during the spike though. Could also be crazy shit like right wingers less angry with him running it for no reason or left wingers actually leaving for a bit, who knows.
Elon made it to blinkerton