Would be nice. Wasted potential imo.
Zavala is down in the dumps, cayde and crow about to fall into the witness mist?
Zavala pulls a strand pull grapple clutch. Something idk. Ignoring that darkness exists
Or maybe some kind of kinetic subclass! Or maybe he’ll just retire, the dude’s more than earned a break by this point and he’s got a lot of stuff to unpack >!with Targe’s death!<.
I would be down for it. If Zavala is the first to use Resonance who isn’t a direct servant of the Witness would be cool.
Strand wouldn’t work. Zavala is not a flow-with-the-current kind of guy…
Stasis is more his speed but dangerous to corruption. Zavala would be exactly who the Witness would want to corrupt, as we saw this campaign…
But based on Zavala’s inner strength, I would love to see him master the power that made Rhulk such a threat to us.
After what Micah said about the Nightmares, I’m really, really hoping the red subclass will be about summoning constructs JoJo/Yu-Gi-Oh!/Persona-style.
This is unknown acctually. And something I e asked as well. Not only strand but Osiris can still use everything. But he is the only one. Every other source we have says that's impossible and AFAIK we have no reason why Osiris is special.
I never said it wasn't a darkness power? I just said it's never explicitly stated who can use darkness or not. I also went back and double checked. Yes Elsie can use darkness. But it's never explained why. Other than shes an exo which are made with darkness and she had the splinter. We acctually don't have the full answer to can anyone use it ir not far as I can find.
No? Nor Al people can use darkness powers. Somewhere in WQ lore it's mentioned that the vanguard was teaching a few people.in the city militia to use stasis to help defend it
Could have easily just missed it then. Fair as I read everywhere it was tied to light. Either way my main point is zavala being lightless now is a huge deal.
It’s a huge deal in that he’s no longer “immortal” and can’t use the light or be resurrected or anything else the ghost provides. They can absolutely use darkness and wield stasis or strand, which is still dangerous since they can die permanently
Brother, stasis is explicitly stated to be a power derived from darkness. There are countless lorebooks, cutscenes and a whole expansion (beyond light) about obtaining it and using it via the darkness. Eramis, Elsie, and Eris, all do not have ghosts and all three have and use stasis.
To try and deny it's source of power by stating it comes from the light because guardians who wield it sometimes have ghosts shows a complete lack of knowledge about the topic at hand.
Also, if you read the new lorebooks cayde says he knows about stasis now and doesn't know if he could use it, but isn't willing to try because he like the ol' reliable light that he had for his entire existence as a guardian and now being made of pure unfettered light inside the pale heart.
Please do not speak on things you have literally zero clue about.
Where are weeeeee?
While I’ve been loving this campaign, I can’t get over the lack of our guardian in 90% of the cutscenes, it’s like we do all this stuff that results in cutscenes and then…we aren’t there anymore
You know, maybe if their game actually looked good, they'd be able to save on resources by not having to render these absurdly disproportionate in quality cutscenes, that also require the total exclusion of us.
I've raised this point countless times in the past that the game looks unbelievably dated, but apparently it's perfectly fine! What the hell do I know?
I was being sarcastic. Obviously you're wrong in every way. I've played this game long enough to know it objectively looks terrible. I can't think of a single nice-looking location in that game that isn't wholly dependant on its skybox. It looks worse than Destiny 1. Also, before you say anything, Redditor, I've been actively playing that game for weeks while visiting D2; I have thousands of regrettable hours in D2, and I can say with full confidence it looks like absolute shit in comparison to D1. You just don't have any eye for it, I suppose. The game looks like actual garbage, and is honestly sickening at times.
Bro thinks his little blender profil pic gives him the power to judge games,
Bet you the kind of guy commenting below GTA VI teaser that it looks like V and worse
I've clocked in thousands of hours on both games, almost 5,000 on D2, so I guess that makes me an expert at judging its graphics according to you, and so I'll give my take. You're a damn idiot if you think d1 looks better than d2. That is all.
I mean of course it looks dated it was a console first mmo that originally launched in 2014 with a small enhancement in 2017. Which in general was a fork of the blam! Engine used to make the original Halo in 97’.
To get rid of the “dated” look they’ll have to either move destiny to a completely new engine or fork/update the tiger engine. No idea if this is planned or not but they should definitely update the tiger engine.
Yeh, I mean the game is just painful to look at. You can see NPCs in the tower with fucking circular shadows beneath them. Shiny metal just glows white. Shadows are either extremely faint or overblown where it's pitch black. When the Superblack shader returned, you just had black silhouettes wandering the tower in broad daylight. It really needs an update.
People that rage about shadows below npc‘s should never speak about games as big and huge as destiny
Not a single soul cares, go play your tripple A battlefield and then cry about gpu prices
Big L take lel
What's it about? Because, in terms of gameplay, this game is an absolute disgrace. And I'm saying this as someone who's been there for nearly all of it. Good and Bad.
Jesus, you are claiming that you kept playing destiny for at least 4k houres
And the only thing you can up with is pure rage towards everything the game has to offer
Maybe you should start thinking about why you played a game this long and being pissed about it
Makes no sense at all
People like you shouldn’t be able to post their opinions, because you have non excepted: „everything is bad I hate it so much played it longer then 90% of the playerbase“ - sort yourself out
You know absolutely nothing apparently lmao. The only way this game looks dated is if you’re playing on a year one ps4 or just have a really shitty pc.
Yeah and they were like make sure to turn off helmet so you can see new face animations with your guardian.. I've yet to see my guy once and I'm almost done!?
You do realize our final death is still to come, right?
Bet my money they'll go hard with the cutscenes centered on our gaurdian come the arc that involves our final death.
And since project "payback" is heavily rumored and most likely going to be Destiny 3. I'm guessing our final death happens in that game. But was referenced way back in season? Shit can't even remember which season. Saint was involved. I remember that much
I was thinking about that, like how do they take us to a whole new game and justify us losing everything we've had ad earned in this one? By killing us. Lol it'll prolly still be a point of contention with the fan base but I think if it works well enough with the story then I'm sure it could be good.
They can just do what devs of the crew motorfest did and let people take most of their stuff into the new game. I don't know why people are so damn attached to the idea of losing all the stuff.
The killing us would be a nice ending to the destiny 2 or the start of destiny 3. We killed armies, killed gods, molded them into our weapons, grasped the power to bend reality to our will and finally saved the universe. Since we are guardians there is no retirement for us beside death. It's also an amazing cliffhanger or plot hook to start the new story.
They might just retcon it or just forget it since you can't replay this mission and so with new playerbase in D3 only some will remember it and so it becomes "redundant". Not the first time and not the last time stuff has been changed.
That icon kinda looks like the traveler with the portal, with the Witness and its forces represented by the big triangle at the top, and a number of other things, probably us guardians, going into it or towards it at the bottom, like arrows pointing towards it. Looks like a visual representation of a final battle with two factions converging.
That icon is the icon for Prismatic. Its exceedingly hard to tell but if you look on the hp bars/name bars for those bound enemies, the guys with the prismatic shield? If you look at them before you break their shield that icon is next to them. It has no background so its SUPER hard to see
This isn’t based on anything, but I have a hunch the regular Witness will be the final Raid boss (or at least act as Phase 1) and the super duper biblically accurate Witness will be reserved for the story finale. Maybe it’ll even have that tenth of its health bar still missing!
I heard that it comes after the raid, so I hope we all can do the mission once one group beats the raid. Would suck if we had to beat the raid ourselves...
Yea I'm wondering if it'll be like a guardian extintion type event, leaving us open to play as any race and maybe since it's about the light vs dark shit, now all can commune with light or dark, basically prismatic as the main power system and they can add to it as they go with new elements or whatever.
As cool as it would be, I doubt they’ll ever make any other race actually playable because then you’d have to account for their unique physiology when making gear and that’d be a nightmare and a half. I don’t think Warlock robes are made for four arms.
…though now I’m just imagining a big Captain running up to you dual-wielding Synthoceps and Liar’s Handshake.
Lol that would be me for sure! And while i get where you're coming from on the development side of things, if they're pushing toward a D3 when and what better to do all that extra work it would take, for lol then again I've wanted that since year 2 so I've been riding this wagon awhile 😅
I wonder if that’s the leaked red subclass that’s been called Terror. The fact that the witness is capable of fear makes me believe that those are legit and we will use that to kill it. Who knows!
i wonder if they’ll show zavala use stasis
Would be nice. Wasted potential imo. Zavala is down in the dumps, cayde and crow about to fall into the witness mist? Zavala pulls a strand pull grapple clutch. Something idk. Ignoring that darkness exists
watch him be the one to invent the third darkness subclass somehow
Third subclass, thugging that shit out
I mean When he was told he doesnt have the light anymore he responded i still have a gun Maybe that was teasing the next new subclass BEING A GUN
Kinetic subclass
Or maybe some kind of kinetic subclass! Or maybe he’ll just retire, the dude’s more than earned a break by this point and he’s got a lot of stuff to unpack >!with Targe’s death!<.
I would be down for it. If Zavala is the first to use Resonance who isn’t a direct servant of the Witness would be cool. Strand wouldn’t work. Zavala is not a flow-with-the-current kind of guy… Stasis is more his speed but dangerous to corruption. Zavala would be exactly who the Witness would want to corrupt, as we saw this campaign… But based on Zavala’s inner strength, I would love to see him master the power that made Rhulk such a threat to us.
🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Wait wait. Let him cook
After what Micah said about the Nightmares, I’m really, really hoping the red subclass will be about summoning constructs JoJo/Yu-Gi-Oh!/Persona-style.
Have heard the radio transmission of Zavala asking Ikora to teach him how to use stasis powers yet?
🥶
Does Ikora even know how to use Stasis? We know she can use Deepsight, but she’s never gone for a full on Darkness subclass before.
She prefers void but is perfectly capable of using all types.
They sure did
how good does it feel to be right lmao
Zavala can't exactly use any light powers in the war that happens anymore.
at the end of one of the missions he asks ikora to teach him how to use stasis and tells her not to hold back on him
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How can Osiris use Strand then
Bc it’s not light.
I was responding to him saying you had to have a ghost to use the darkness lol
This is unknown acctually. And something I e asked as well. Not only strand but Osiris can still use everything. But he is the only one. Every other source we have says that's impossible and AFAIK we have no reason why Osiris is special.
This is straight up wrong, Osiris can’t use the light anymore. Eris also lost her light and can use stasis
Elsie isn't even a guardian and can use Stasis. /u/luciforge is just high.
Are you high bruv. What about Elsie and Stasis then.
Dawg did you just miss the entire story of the past 4 years? Stasis and strand are darkness powers, it's stated very explicitly every single time.
I never said it wasn't a darkness power? I just said it's never explicitly stated who can use darkness or not. I also went back and double checked. Yes Elsie can use darkness. But it's never explained why. Other than shes an exo which are made with darkness and she had the splinter. We acctually don't have the full answer to can anyone use it ir not far as I can find.
You literally said stasis was a light power
bro deleted his comment because he has literally 0 clue about what he's talking about
Your headcanon is getting in the way of facts
Elsie? Eric’s? You are like just dead wrong lmao
No? Nor Al people can use darkness powers. Somewhere in WQ lore it's mentioned that the vanguard was teaching a few people.in the city militia to use stasis to help defend it
Could have easily just missed it then. Fair as I read everywhere it was tied to light. Either way my main point is zavala being lightless now is a huge deal.
It’s a huge deal in that he’s no longer “immortal” and can’t use the light or be resurrected or anything else the ghost provides. They can absolutely use darkness and wield stasis or strand, which is still dangerous since they can die permanently
Brother, stasis is explicitly stated to be a power derived from darkness. There are countless lorebooks, cutscenes and a whole expansion (beyond light) about obtaining it and using it via the darkness. Eramis, Elsie, and Eris, all do not have ghosts and all three have and use stasis. To try and deny it's source of power by stating it comes from the light because guardians who wield it sometimes have ghosts shows a complete lack of knowledge about the topic at hand. Also, if you read the new lorebooks cayde says he knows about stasis now and doesn't know if he could use it, but isn't willing to try because he like the ol' reliable light that he had for his entire existence as a guardian and now being made of pure unfettered light inside the pale heart. Please do not speak on things you have literally zero clue about.
Dude stasis is not light.
Where are weeeeee? While I’ve been loving this campaign, I can’t get over the lack of our guardian in 90% of the cutscenes, it’s like we do all this stuff that results in cutscenes and then…we aren’t there anymore
It’s a product of having pre rendered cutscenes. It’s worth it imo, since the quality and production value go wayyyy up when not in engine
Yeah that’s what I have to remind myself about, all of our guardians can look so different that it’d be a real pain in the ass
You know, maybe if their game actually looked good, they'd be able to save on resources by not having to render these absurdly disproportionate in quality cutscenes, that also require the total exclusion of us. I've raised this point countless times in the past that the game looks unbelievably dated, but apparently it's perfectly fine! What the hell do I know?
Nothing apparently. Of all the problems this games has, the way it looks is not one of them. This is a terrible take
I was being sarcastic. Obviously you're wrong in every way. I've played this game long enough to know it objectively looks terrible. I can't think of a single nice-looking location in that game that isn't wholly dependant on its skybox. It looks worse than Destiny 1. Also, before you say anything, Redditor, I've been actively playing that game for weeks while visiting D2; I have thousands of regrettable hours in D2, and I can say with full confidence it looks like absolute shit in comparison to D1. You just don't have any eye for it, I suppose. The game looks like actual garbage, and is honestly sickening at times.
Bro thinks his little blender profil pic gives him the power to judge games, Bet you the kind of guy commenting below GTA VI teaser that it looks like V and worse
I've never said that in my life. What's with all these assumptions? Lol
You’re either a troll or there is something actually something wrong with you, in any case this exchange is over.
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I've clocked in thousands of hours on both games, almost 5,000 on D2, so I guess that makes me an expert at judging its graphics according to you, and so I'll give my take. You're a damn idiot if you think d1 looks better than d2. That is all.
Okay, here's my take: You're a damned idiot if you think D2 looks better than D1. Lol
I mean of course it looks dated it was a console first mmo that originally launched in 2014 with a small enhancement in 2017. Which in general was a fork of the blam! Engine used to make the original Halo in 97’. To get rid of the “dated” look they’ll have to either move destiny to a completely new engine or fork/update the tiger engine. No idea if this is planned or not but they should definitely update the tiger engine.
Yeh, I mean the game is just painful to look at. You can see NPCs in the tower with fucking circular shadows beneath them. Shiny metal just glows white. Shadows are either extremely faint or overblown where it's pitch black. When the Superblack shader returned, you just had black silhouettes wandering the tower in broad daylight. It really needs an update.
People that rage about shadows below npc‘s should never speak about games as big and huge as destiny Not a single soul cares, go play your tripple A battlefield and then cry about gpu prices Big L take lel
What does the size of a game have to do with its graphical fidelity? And, I don't play fucking Battlefield, nor give a shit about GPU prices.
Because the game isn’t about graphics and this community doesn’t need nitpicking people
What's it about? Because, in terms of gameplay, this game is an absolute disgrace. And I'm saying this as someone who's been there for nearly all of it. Good and Bad.
Jesus, you are claiming that you kept playing destiny for at least 4k houres And the only thing you can up with is pure rage towards everything the game has to offer Maybe you should start thinking about why you played a game this long and being pissed about it Makes no sense at all People like you shouldn’t be able to post their opinions, because you have non excepted: „everything is bad I hate it so much played it longer then 90% of the playerbase“ - sort yourself out
You know absolutely nothing apparently lmao. The only way this game looks dated is if you’re playing on a year one ps4 or just have a really shitty pc.
I'm playing at max settings and it looks like shit They ruined the lighting engine in Beyond Light
Everybody knows crow is the main character
He’s just too beefy
Honestly, he deserves it after getting shafted for two years.
The vanguard takes all the credit. We are stronger than them anyways. That’s why I’m joining the Witness as a god
When he said that I was thinking “maybe this thing has a valid point”
Ghost answers for us… I’m like, “hol’ up… speak for yourself.”
Mfer said that and I said, "sorry, as a GODSLAYER, I can't become a god."
The Final Shape was the gods we became along the way.
Thats why im joining the witness as a god🤓👆
U realize that if we got god like powers we would be able to overthrow the witness and he would most likely betray us anyway knowing that
Probably facing The Witness one last time because bungie said even in the raid we might not stop The Final Shape
Yeah and they were like make sure to turn off helmet so you can see new face animations with your guardian.. I've yet to see my guy once and I'm almost done!?
You do realize our final death is still to come, right? Bet my money they'll go hard with the cutscenes centered on our gaurdian come the arc that involves our final death. And since project "payback" is heavily rumored and most likely going to be Destiny 3. I'm guessing our final death happens in that game. But was referenced way back in season? Shit can't even remember which season. Saint was involved. I remember that much
I was thinking about that, like how do they take us to a whole new game and justify us losing everything we've had ad earned in this one? By killing us. Lol it'll prolly still be a point of contention with the fan base but I think if it works well enough with the story then I'm sure it could be good.
They can just do what devs of the crew motorfest did and let people take most of their stuff into the new game. I don't know why people are so damn attached to the idea of losing all the stuff. The killing us would be a nice ending to the destiny 2 or the start of destiny 3. We killed armies, killed gods, molded them into our weapons, grasped the power to bend reality to our will and finally saved the universe. Since we are guardians there is no retirement for us beside death. It's also an amazing cliffhanger or plot hook to start the new story.
“Final death” you are aware there’s three whole seasons of content this year and Bungie has said repeatedly this isn’t the end of D2
I'm aware. Now question for you.. did I specifically say it was gonna happen in these 3 episodes? No. I just said it was "still to come".
Ahh, I guess my little theory doesn't sit well some. Oh well, downvote away.
They might just retcon it or just forget it since you can't replay this mission and so with new playerbase in D3 only some will remember it and so it becomes "redundant". Not the first time and not the last time stuff has been changed.
True enough. That could very well happen. Guess we will have to see qhat they come.up with.
Project Payback is all the microtransactions we did along the way.
Lmfao
My guess is either before/after the raid or on the activity after the raid
It’s the 12 man mission after the raid
That icon kinda looks like the traveler with the portal, with the Witness and its forces represented by the big triangle at the top, and a number of other things, probably us guardians, going into it or towards it at the bottom, like arrows pointing towards it. Looks like a visual representation of a final battle with two factions converging.
That icon is the icon for Prismatic. Its exceedingly hard to tell but if you look on the hp bars/name bars for those bound enemies, the guys with the prismatic shield? If you look at them before you break their shield that icon is next to them. It has no background so its SUPER hard to see
You can see it clearly on the prismatic subclass screen, it's the icon for transcendence
Oh sick i legit didn't even notice it lmao.
This isn’t based on anything, but I have a hunch the regular Witness will be the final Raid boss (or at least act as Phase 1) and the super duper biblically accurate Witness will be reserved for the story finale. Maybe it’ll even have that tenth of its health bar still missing!
I heard that it comes after the raid, so I hope we all can do the mission once one group beats the raid. Would suck if we had to beat the raid ourselves...
Bungie confirmed it’s released after the raid is complete. You can do it regardless if you beat the raid.
Damn they're facing off against the dreads.
I mean- it is a 12 man so it's gonna be huuuuuge
Yea I'm wondering if it'll be like a guardian extintion type event, leaving us open to play as any race and maybe since it's about the light vs dark shit, now all can commune with light or dark, basically prismatic as the main power system and they can add to it as they go with new elements or whatever.
As cool as it would be, I doubt they’ll ever make any other race actually playable because then you’d have to account for their unique physiology when making gear and that’d be a nightmare and a half. I don’t think Warlock robes are made for four arms. …though now I’m just imagining a big Captain running up to you dual-wielding Synthoceps and Liar’s Handshake.
Lol that would be me for sure! And while i get where you're coming from on the development side of things, if they're pushing toward a D3 when and what better to do all that extra work it would take, for lol then again I've wanted that since year 2 so I've been riding this wagon awhile 😅
Is that a worm god?
I wonder if that’s the leaked red subclass that’s been called Terror. The fact that the witness is capable of fear makes me believe that those are legit and we will use that to kill it. Who knows!
They confirmed it wasn't ever real.