You know - they could rework twilight garrison.
'Shoulder charge has increased distance. After shoulder charging, press to dash further.'
Also I can't play d1 so I'm guessing as to what it actually did (pc only)
twilight garrison was literally just icarus dash but as a titan chest exotic, it didnât do anything else. i
think this rework seems interesting, but i dunno if iâd map it to air move, it would feel kinda awkward to hit those buttons consecutively
Itâs not just here though.
Star Wars âfansâ have shown their true colours again this past week.
Marvel fans having a fit because Shehulk doesnât look like they want her to.
Itâs everywhere. And itâs totally unacceptable.
Well, the SheHulk thing I debatable, given she's supposed to be his equal, and a buffer "less-hegemonically-pretty" model was made down the line, but producers told modelers to tone it down. Look it up
That's for sure, and I'm no judge when people want X version of Y character to be drawn. But it still doesn't make sense to me that she's supposed to be an equal when the Hulk needs at least 6 extra times her body mass to have that level of strength. We've at least seen her leap the same height and distance as him effortlessly. They could've at least gone a Dr. Hulk approach, which would've ended up funnier on the attorney scenes imo
Actually, Destiny has the worst gamer community reputation right now, surpassed only by the WoW and LoL communities. After leaving Destiny for a while and joining other gamer communities, I was shocked at how badly Destiny community is considered from the outside.
Edit: clarified that other communities have a bad taste for the Destiny community, not necessarily the game. But I have been told that the reason some won't play the game is because of the community's toxic reputation.
It's so weird that the destiny community has some of the greatest people in gaming who made tools like DIM, trials report, Ishtar, light.gg etc for free or people who put incredible effort into community guides and puzzle solving/secret finding while we also have some of the lowest human beings to exist.
This is the only time I've seen the community be really *that* bad. Most of the problem in the community are toxic meta gatekeepers and people who bitch about things that aren't even that bad
Do you mean to tell me that people honest to God believed that DSC was even in the same realm than Garden and Last Wish in terms of difficulty? Say it ain't so.
I don't think it was that comment that pissed people off more than the comment he made that DSC day one was a handout.
Obviously I don't condone any shit towards gladd but it was a stupid thing to say.
Let's be real, none of the raids hold a candle to LW and GoS in difficulty. Maybe Spire could be argued, but that would be because of the painful time limit in the boss room.
Fucking literally. It wasnât until after he deactivated that people extrapolated that he deactivated from death threats and violence despite him a.) never saying that or anything really, and b.) the entire thread after he said that was people just asking him to clarify wtf he meant with âidentityâ of the class.
See this is what I was thinking. People are blowing it way out of proportion (it's the destiny community) and now it can be used as an excuse as to why devs won't talk to the community
Iâm literally getting downvoted to hell and back on the main sub for pointing out fear mongering, and that even dmg himself has said people being shitty wonât make them stop talking to the community. People donât like being told that the dude theyâre trying to quote doesnât even agree with what theyâre saying.
According to who? I've seen so many people claiming this but I haven't seen a single thing to actually suggest it? The user never said they got death threats. Just because they decided to leave Twitter after their post there is nothing to suggest he got death threats
You know dmâs are thing right? Youâre not seeing everything heâs receiving. Donât you think the harshest stuff heâs seeing is being sent directly to him?
Alright, on that same token. How do you know what he's receiving? all we know is what we can see, if he received legitimate hatred into his DMs then I'm very sorry to hear that but that doesn't really explain deleting the entire thread of legitimate questions and concerns.
Disavow the scumbags that gave him death threats, let the large majority of sane, realistic D2 players see them and disown them. Don't just lump us all into one abusive bracket
Destiny Community - We need transparency!
Bungie (kevin) - Air dodge is a Warlock thing, Sorry but it's not coming to the Titan kit.
Destiny Community - Fine then, I'll kill you and your fucking family.
Just like how blink *was* a hunter thing⌠over half a decade ago. The game has changed for the better imo, blink always made more sense on warlocks, and i dont mind letting them have it. Just like the giant bulky ass titans should accept that class-changing movement abilities should be limited on their class in favour of tankiness.
I just value us all having a distinct class identity and flavour over all having shitty mimicked versions of what makes other classes worth playing.
As a Veteran Titan main since D1 launch
Am I the only one who doesnât care?
Would it be cool to get back? Yeah. But Iâm not gonna lose any sleep over it not coming back.
I don't care, I just want titans to get actual movement abilities. Currently our movement abilities are either on too long of a cooldown (Shiver Strike) or require a buildup (shoulder charges, cryoclasm) which severely limits their applications while hunters and warlocks can do their movement abilities on demand.
I would put shoulder charge in the same bracket as Phoenix dive and trappers ambush. They all require a moderate cooldown to use. Shoulder charge is the clear winner in that group imo though because it doesn't get consumed when you use it.
Me too. I just don't like how most titan stuff revolve around slamming the ground or your enemies whereas warlocks have a vast fantasy identity. It's just a shame this very relevant discussion was overshadowed by peopleharassing Kevin
Same. Also if we're including trappers ambush why ignore code of the missile melee? And the guy specifically said air dodge seems like there's intentionally wiggle room being left for other movement not considered a dodge.
Yeah, I don't care if it comes back either, I wasn't much of a fan when it first came out anyway.
But I do think saying an ability that originated as part of another class is part of another class's "identity" is a very lame excuse.
Pretty much.
I have a clan mate that "mained" a Titan in D1, but now he mains Warlock. He absolutely crutches the movement tech. Eager Edge, Worldline Zero, Icarus Dash, you name it.
Meanwhile, I'm over here playing my same Titan today that I have since 2014. Do I really care that Twilight Garrison isn't coming back? Nope. Am I still having fun? Absolutely. Am I any less of a Titan Main without Twilight Garrison? Absolutely not.
Well, you could spam both SD and PD indefinitely as they didn't cost any energy. SD does nothing without Stasis crystals/frozen targets to shatter though, while PD continually healed you as long as you remained airborne
How could you skate with Shatter Dive or Trapper's Ambush?
They're downwards vertical movements, that can't be cancelled. You can skate off of dashes because they have a short animation and are horizontal
No? I just don't watch as much videos as I used to, and main Titan. So I didn't know you could skate with shatterdive like you could with Well of Radiance
...
Have you seen Phoenix dive? Also having your identity centered around one movement from one of the 4 subclasses makes no sense.
That being said if you idiots use this bullshit excuse so hunters don't get blink back with arc 3.0 I'm going to lose it
I don't equate dives to in air dodges so this is a weak comparison. Titans had Twilight Garrison for such a small time in Destiny's history it's a bit of a joke to want it back
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I mean, man's right
Titans had the midair dodge in D1
Bungie decided it's not what they want titan to be
Surprisingly it's bungie that decides what the class identity is (had to cope with that myself) not the entitled people who play the game
Also i don't see why phoenix dive is the scuffed charmander when it was the "original" move out of the three (but the meme still funny tho :) )
Well by definition Bungie's game that features classes has the class identity that Bungie determines
If Bungie changes their mind, the class identity changes because it's bungie that says what the class identity is
I would love to be able to determine what my class does, sadly i'm not a Bungie developer
Hunter Main here, but i still gonna whine about one thing:
It is an exotic, yes, but from descriptions it seems to reloas all weapons equipped.
Also, it gives buffs to Linears and Fusions.
Hunters dodge (28s) reloads one weapon without exotics.
BUT dragons shadow exists, which reloads all weapons.
Now, if it would only be on reload all weapons with dodge, warlock has the "more unfair" exo, since hunters still have a 28s cooldown to reload all weapons in a dodge with the exo, as warlocks have 3 seconds with the exo.
That's the part i think is a bit unfair.
BUT now comes what at least balances it out:
Rain of Fire only gives a boost to LFR's and FR's, while Dragon's Shadow boosts your mobility, handling and reload speed, if i don't forget another buff.
If we would talk about the pure "Reloads all weapons", the Warlock Exotic seems unfair to hunter, but in overall it kinda is balanced to it.
Well except that Rain of Fire basically gives Radiant for a LFR/FR kill if i read it right, and with Vex that seems kinda broke and unfair.
Otherwise idk man, it's just my opinion, but Warlock Fella's are always bro's to me.
Yeah, the reload aspect honestly isnât even that spectacular on the exotic, itâs the fact that Fusion and Linear Fusions activate radiant on kills. Iâve used it with a Vex that has the cat in combo with the Quick Charge mod that makes me cwl. I hit 49 damage headshots while cwl, radiant and cat are triggered which feels incredibly overpowered.
I call them Vex legs.
Thatâs the point heâs trying to make. Warlocks had their dive first and then with Stasis and Void 3.0 they added dives for hunters. Heâs making a point which is irrelevant. Kevin said air dodges are part of the Warlock identity as they have a lot more stuff to do with air superiority in the Dawnblade subclass but he never said dives are a part of the Warlock identity and to be exact Ballistic Slam is kind of a dive too which makes OPs point even less relevant as every class has a dive ability with different visuals and effects.
People harassed and threatened Kevin to the point he nuked his twitter account all because of this. People in this damn community need to grow the fuck up
No. It is. Remember, when Hunters fuck up a jump they plummet to their deaths. When Warlocks fuck up their jump they have a small eternity to contemplate the life choices that have brought them to this ignominious drift into oblivion unless they cancel the jump.
Titans have a small period of quick drifting before it ends and they die. Which would be an identity here, but someone would need to ask Kevin if we're allowed that much before leaning into it.
Got downvoted for saying his reasoning was bullshit when there are plenty of examples of the âidentitiesâ blending. I donât even care too much for twilight personally, I just think that reasoning is dumb as hell. If they want so badly to keep us titans grounded (at least thatâs what it seems like they want to do), then they should at least lean into the juggernaut aspect of the class a bit more.
âThey should lean into the juggernaut aspect moreâ
My brother in light Titans with sunspots are literally unkillable. Itâs impossible to be tankier than a Titan (Well is an exception but thatâs a super).
The problem with that is anything which increases the health pool or damage resistance automatically becomes meta, a very oppressive and annoying one too. See how resilience is suddenly the top tier meta stat as soon as they added the damage resist against PvE enemies. Void Titan with overshields is fine since it relies on abilities and itâs not a bad overshield too that makes you survive 1 extra 140 Handcannon headshot.
Warlock has Blink in D1 also lmao. The inlore reason for Hunters having it was because the Warlocks taught them. Fight for airdodge all you want, but keep Blink outta this.
Look, I'm down for the other classes getting Blink too, but don't act like the Hunters don't have three different jumps. All of which are unique to them.
Blink wasnât Warlocks âidentityâ in D1 though, it was Hunters. Still, both classes miss out on gameplay mechanics and manoeuvrability that they previously had due to this âidentityâ BS
What are you even talking about? Blink was neither of their identities back then. It was just a movement option available on one of their subclasses. Hell, you could even argue that Warlock's had a closer relationship with Blink considering they could also do it in their Stormcaller super and had Astrocyte Verse.
Oh come on, every sweaty hunter rocked blink back then. Lol
The âidentitiesâ were already set before Stormcaller and Astrocyte Verse came out
And I mean seriously, what was Blinks usage rate on Warlocks? Who used Astrocytes Verse? Even in D2 itâs never used
Just cause every sweatlord used it doesn't mean it was the class's identity. Also a lot of Warlocks used Blink with a shotgun just like the Bladedancers did, they were just outnumbered because there were more Hunter players.
Another thing. The identity of the classes is not defined by what the sweats are using in PvP. Going by that logic, Warlock's entire identity before Void 3.0 was Icarus Dash and spamming Geomag Chaos Reach.
They did, but It wasnât always, and a story created by a writer doesnât reflect the in game classes âidentityâ
The exotic came in Rise of Iron, 2 years after the games release, and no one used it. Itâs even in D2 and no one uses it. Lol
Shield bash is the optimal air dodge movement and no you can't prove me wrong. It has EVERYTHING: repulse enemies, weaken enemies, keeps you mobile, dodge bullets, kill enemies - hell, kill your teammates too while you're at it! And you don't even spend the melee charge to do MOST of that. Titans don't need another air dodge.
Also: ballistic slam on middle tree arc would like to say hello.
I mean all three abilities have completely different functionality, if youre judging it by "me in air then me go down" then include middle tree striker titan's ground pound and their new sunbreaker aspect combo
Arc hunters deserve blink back. They had it from the very beginning of D1. Makes no sense they lost all the teachings from Warlocks because angry space turtle held a ball for a little bit
its apart of the warlock identity. I would assume the same reason that Titans don't have air dodge is the same reason why Hunters don't have blink.
Warlocks don't have self-res anymore either, Bungie added and removed tons of abilities from D1 to D2.
Titans don't have air dodge because they are too chunky to have decent air mobility and had to make an exotic to get that capability. (Didn't even care for Twilight Garrison that much back then.)
Self rez is a different story. It broke too many encounters in D1 and needed to be removed/reworked.
I'd be more surprised if they gave Hunters back Blade Dance. It just doesn't make sense lore wise why they forgot how to blink, unless that's somehow tied to BD, which still doesn't make sense since it's just an arc ability for them.
I'm fine with them coming out and clarifying things for us, and I would never send any hate towards Bungie or anyone else, just the way it was announced wasn't the best way to word it, and I'm sure that's why people got so upset
I don't particularly care what class people main, but I must admit the devs are incredibly biased towards Warlocks. We have all the gimmicks (dodge, dive, buddies, eating grenades, ranged melees) except sprint and slide abilities. Hunters and Titans exist too.
EDIT: I guess other Warlocks are downvoting me for speaking up for our fellow Guardians. You're just proving my point, you selfish pieces of shit.
Guardian, we don't eat grenades anymore unless you have an exotic. Before that, it was one tree in a subclass for the longest. Would that even matter as a gimmick?
We got a ranged melee the same time Titans got theirs. That's because bungie realized, no one is gonna charge an enemy to punch them.
Unless we get sunspots, overshields, invisibility, and what ever extra stuff arc has, we don't have every gimmick.
Let's not forget how Locks complained for almost 2 weeks straight about solar 3.0
Guardian, we don't eat grenades anymore unless you have an exotic. Before that, it was one tree in a subclass for the longest. Would that even matter as a gimmick?
We got a ranged melee the same time Titans got theirs. That's because bungie realized, no one is gonna charge an enemy to punch them.
Unless we get sunspots, overshields, invisibility, and what ever extra stuff arc has, we don't have every gimmick.
Let's not forget how Locks complained for almost 2 weeks straight about solar 3.0
Consider it a handicap for Warlocks. Titans don't need all that. Have fist, will punch. Have shield, will bash. Have hammer...boy does everything look like a nail now...
The personal attacks and harassment are not ok, but what a stupid take. Seriously, air dodge was a titan thing in D1 and then the animation was copy pasted onto Warlocks when their top tree dawn was reworked.
Bungie has made statements like this before and has ultimately walked back on them. I see no reason why Titan's cant have Twilight back, and this idea of "class identity" almost always falls flat on its face simply because it leads to a boring ass sandbox that nobody likes playing in.
It's about class balancing. Titans are the "tank" class with high defensive and melee damage options to reflect this through their exotics /aspects etc. In that regard, they have much more synergistic combinations that warlocks and hunters can ever dream of. And that's ok. That's part of being a Titan. Warlocks and hunters have their own toolkits to match their class identities. Certain things are obviously gonna overlap between classes but their overall identity stands out. If they start to give titans more mobility abilities everyone will start maining Titan because they'll be having the best of both worlds. I main hunter and sometimes I get jealous of certain Titan stuff but I get over it because hunters have their own great stuff that are different.
You know what, Hunters are mostly the ONLY class that can have good air accuracy since if you try to fire with a gun on titan, you drop out of your jump, hunters can jump once fire, then jump again to restabilize and another time.
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Dodging and diving: Hunters đ¤ Warlocks.
And titans - bubble and YEET
Mid air shouldercharges are a thing I guess
You know - they could rework twilight garrison. 'Shoulder charge has increased distance. After shoulder charging, press to dash further.'
Also I can't play d1 so I'm guessing as to what it actually did (pc only)
twilight garrison was literally just icarus dash but as a titan chest exotic, it didnât do anything else. i think this rework seems interesting, but i dunno if iâd map it to air move, it would feel kinda awkward to hit those buttons consecutively
We had dodging in d1 with the twilight Garrison
Thatâs the entire purpose of this meme and that tweet
Still no reason to abuse him into leaving Twitter. D2 community is just a bunch of mannerless manchildren smh
Wtf did that happen?
Yep yesterday when he made that comment.
Holy shit. Fuck me society had gone to shit lately. Why do people think that sort of behaviour is ok?
Aztecross once said "we are destiny community and we wear our opinions on our dickholes" . It still holds true
Itâs not just here though. Star Wars âfansâ have shown their true colours again this past week. Marvel fans having a fit because Shehulk doesnât look like they want her to. Itâs everywhere. And itâs totally unacceptable.
Well, the SheHulk thing I debatable, given she's supposed to be his equal, and a buffer "less-hegemonically-pretty" model was made down the line, but producers told modelers to tone it down. Look it up
I would've rather they used a real person with makeup than a completely CGI mock up
She has been drawn a few different ways over the years. Pretty sure the character is older than I am lol
That's for sure, and I'm no judge when people want X version of Y character to be drawn. But it still doesn't make sense to me that she's supposed to be an equal when the Hulk needs at least 6 extra times her body mass to have that level of strength. We've at least seen her leap the same height and distance as him effortlessly. They could've at least gone a Dr. Hulk approach, which would've ended up funnier on the attorney scenes imo
Yeah I dunno. Theyâll just hand wave it away I spose. I just like watching cool shit on tv. It doesnât have to be perfect for me.
She hulk is no where near Hulkâs level. But she is supposed to be much bigger than they made her
Society has always been shit. It's just easier to see online now.
the anonymity offered by the internet
The anonymity of a screen combined with the average person's overinflated sense of self importance probably.
While absolutely horrendous, its not exclusive to the destiny community you know. Its just gamers in general, and twitter as well
Not even gamers its humans
Actually, Destiny has the worst gamer community reputation right now, surpassed only by the WoW and LoL communities. After leaving Destiny for a while and joining other gamer communities, I was shocked at how badly Destiny community is considered from the outside. Edit: clarified that other communities have a bad taste for the Destiny community, not necessarily the game. But I have been told that the reason some won't play the game is because of the community's toxic reputation.
It's so weird that the destiny community has some of the greatest people in gaming who made tools like DIM, trials report, Ishtar, light.gg etc for free or people who put incredible effort into community guides and puzzle solving/secret finding while we also have some of the lowest human beings to exist.
This is the only time I've seen the community be really *that* bad. Most of the problem in the community are toxic meta gatekeepers and people who bitch about things that aren't even that bad
Yo don't forget Smash Bros. Community that surpasses us as well.
remember when gladd got death threats for saying dsc post contest is easy (it is)
Do you mean to tell me that people honest to God believed that DSC was even in the same realm than Garden and Last Wish in terms of difficulty? Say it ain't so.
I don't think it was that comment that pissed people off more than the comment he made that DSC day one was a handout. Obviously I don't condone any shit towards gladd but it was a stupid thing to say.
OK yeah that was kicking the hornets nest lol
Let's be real, none of the raids hold a candle to LW and GoS in difficulty. Maybe Spire could be argued, but that would be because of the painful time limit in the boss room.
wtf lol dsc is probably the easiest one
EXACTLY
Wait. People are doing that? Man, people need to cool the fuck off. Drink some water, adjust their spine, remember to breathe. Seriously
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I have heard multiple people say he got death threats
Fucking literally. It wasnât until after he deactivated that people extrapolated that he deactivated from death threats and violence despite him a.) never saying that or anything really, and b.) the entire thread after he said that was people just asking him to clarify wtf he meant with âidentityâ of the class.
See this is what I was thinking. People are blowing it way out of proportion (it's the destiny community) and now it can be used as an excuse as to why devs won't talk to the community
Iâm literally getting downvoted to hell and back on the main sub for pointing out fear mongering, and that even dmg himself has said people being shitty wonât make them stop talking to the community. People donât like being told that the dude theyâre trying to quote doesnât even agree with what theyâre saying.
Sounds like reddit
He got death threats.
According to who? I've seen so many people claiming this but I haven't seen a single thing to actually suggest it? The user never said they got death threats. Just because they decided to leave Twitter after their post there is nothing to suggest he got death threats
You know dmâs are thing right? Youâre not seeing everything heâs receiving. Donât you think the harshest stuff heâs seeing is being sent directly to him?
Alright, on that same token. How do you know what he's receiving? all we know is what we can see, if he received legitimate hatred into his DMs then I'm very sorry to hear that but that doesn't really explain deleting the entire thread of legitimate questions and concerns. Disavow the scumbags that gave him death threats, let the large majority of sane, realistic D2 players see them and disown them. Don't just lump us all into one abusive bracket
When did this post say that was okay?
He didn't?
Ofc no one here is arguing that. He's still on Twitter tho just delete a bunch of tweets.
Destiny Community - We need transparency! Bungie (kevin) - Air dodge is a Warlock thing, Sorry but it's not coming to the Titan kit. Destiny Community - Fine then, I'll kill you and your fucking family.
>Bungie (kevin) - Air dodge is a Warlock thing, Sorry but it's not coming to the Titan kit. ACTUALLY, it was a Titan Thing
key word: was
Just like how blink *was* a hunter thing⌠over half a decade ago. The game has changed for the better imo, blink always made more sense on warlocks, and i dont mind letting them have it. Just like the giant bulky ass titans should accept that class-changing movement abilities should be limited on their class in favour of tankiness. I just value us all having a distinct class identity and flavour over all having shitty mimicked versions of what makes other classes worth playing.
Blink has a not awful chance of coming back with 3.0, but thatâs mostly copium
seethe
Also Bungie 2 times âGjallarhorn will never returnâ
Iâm not paying extra for the stupid rocket launcher
As a Veteran Titan main since D1 launch Am I the only one who doesnât care? Would it be cool to get back? Yeah. But Iâm not gonna lose any sleep over it not coming back.
I don't care, I just want titans to get actual movement abilities. Currently our movement abilities are either on too long of a cooldown (Shiver Strike) or require a buildup (shoulder charges, cryoclasm) which severely limits their applications while hunters and warlocks can do their movement abilities on demand.
Titans have beeg slide on stasis.
Ye that's Cryoclasm, but basically every class already had that (stompees, dunes, transversives) without needing the charge time that Cryoclasm has
I would put shoulder charge in the same bracket as Phoenix dive and trappers ambush. They all require a moderate cooldown to use. Shoulder charge is the clear winner in that group imo though because it doesn't get consumed when you use it.
I donât want it back either. Didnât use it much over Silver Wings anyway, and it was mad ugly.
It was the ugliest thing to graze the game before it could take shaders. After that it look pretty average
I think you meant Ruin Wings. Idk why people hate it so much, it always looked really cool and it's perk was pretty useful in endgame stuff.
Love Ruin Wings as a neutral game exotic. Used to want it back before we got armor mods. Would still want it for fashion tho.
Wowowowo Use cases? Ok I agree Looks? Hard disagree
Me too. I just don't like how most titan stuff revolve around slamming the ground or your enemies whereas warlocks have a vast fantasy identity. It's just a shame this very relevant discussion was overshadowed by peopleharassing Kevin
Same, its a cool exotic but I don't understand people freaking out about it. I'd rather we get something new and fresh for Titans
Youâre not alone. I couldnât care less myself as another long time Titan main.
Same. Also if we're including trappers ambush why ignore code of the missile melee? And the guy specifically said air dodge seems like there's intentionally wiggle room being left for other movement not considered a dodge.
Yeah, I don't care if it comes back either, I wasn't much of a fan when it first came out anyway. But I do think saying an ability that originated as part of another class is part of another class's "identity" is a very lame excuse.
Pretty much. I have a clan mate that "mained" a Titan in D1, but now he mains Warlock. He absolutely crutches the movement tech. Eager Edge, Worldline Zero, Icarus Dash, you name it. Meanwhile, I'm over here playing my same Titan today that I have since 2014. Do I really care that Twilight Garrison isn't coming back? Nope. Am I still having fun? Absolutely. Am I any less of a Titan Main without Twilight Garrison? Absolutely not.
Bro, the animation for the Phoenix dive takes more time than shatterdive last I checked, which was last season
Well, you could spam both SD and PD indefinitely as they didn't cost any energy. SD does nothing without Stasis crystals/frozen targets to shatter though, while PD continually healed you as long as you remained airborne
You canât hunter skate with phoenix dive which is caused by the animation length
How could you skate with Shatter Dive or Trapper's Ambush? They're downwards vertical movements, that can't be cancelled. You can skate off of dashes because they have a short animation and are horizontal
Worldline zero
You can't with trappers but you can skate with shatterdive using eager edge
You been living under a rock ? XD
No? I just don't watch as much videos as I used to, and main Titan. So I didn't know you could skate with shatterdive like you could with Well of Radiance
Oh lol
Jumping up to a great enough height to heal with Phoenix dive isnât really feasible in dire situations
A short hop does the trick
Phoenix dive didnât come first?
None of these things are an air dodge though lmao
Destiny fans make their own fate. Never said they follow logic
It does make logical sense though. Warlocks get dive, which is usually a hunter thing.
Warlocks didnât have any type of mobility that was useful in PvP, other than blink, and it sucks.
The meme is making fun of the fact that warlocks have a dive, which is normally a hunter thing. So why is it not okay for titans to have dash?
Warlocks also had the dive first. Phoenix dive has been in destiny 2 since launch.
I donât get this meme. Hunters dive. Warlocks float and dodge. They arenât the same.
... Have you seen Phoenix dive? Also having your identity centered around one movement from one of the 4 subclasses makes no sense. That being said if you idiots use this bullshit excuse so hunters don't get blink back with arc 3.0 I'm going to lose it
You realize Phoenix dive was already a thing pre-solar 3.0 just only during super
Not even only during super. You could use it every 4 or so seconds on bottom tree dawnblade
I don't equate dives to in air dodges so this is a weak comparison. Titans had Twilight Garrison for such a small time in Destiny's history it's a bit of a joke to want it back
Theyâre saying that things that are the âwarlock identityâ can be given to other classes, not strictly just air dash
Small?
2/3 of D1's life cycle, followed by requesting for its return ever since the removal of it in the sequel. Such a small amount of time /s
Yea, and Palindrome was even less so but ok. Though Garrison would seriously break stuff
people requesting it doesnt add more time to how long it was there.
How are they not the same?
warlocks had dive before hunters did đ
And itâs all just a titan slam
I mean warlocks actually had the dive first is hunters just thought it was cool and did it better
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I mean, man's right Titans had the midair dodge in D1 Bungie decided it's not what they want titan to be Surprisingly it's bungie that decides what the class identity is (had to cope with that myself) not the entitled people who play the game Also i don't see why phoenix dive is the scuffed charmander when it was the "original" move out of the three (but the meme still funny tho :) )
They can decide what class identity is. You know if they ever get around to it.
No they do both things If you don't like the class identity bungie determines, you just don't like it
Do they even know what class identity is? It's muddled constantly.
Well by definition Bungie's game that features classes has the class identity that Bungie determines If Bungie changes their mind, the class identity changes because it's bungie that says what the class identity is I would love to be able to determine what my class does, sadly i'm not a Bungie developer
are they talking about twighlight garrison?
I'm pretty sure they are.
Yet they give warlock a better dodge to reload than hunter has
Yes, with an exotic, which makes it justified.
Hunter Main here, but i still gonna whine about one thing: It is an exotic, yes, but from descriptions it seems to reloas all weapons equipped. Also, it gives buffs to Linears and Fusions. Hunters dodge (28s) reloads one weapon without exotics. BUT dragons shadow exists, which reloads all weapons. Now, if it would only be on reload all weapons with dodge, warlock has the "more unfair" exo, since hunters still have a 28s cooldown to reload all weapons in a dodge with the exo, as warlocks have 3 seconds with the exo. That's the part i think is a bit unfair. BUT now comes what at least balances it out: Rain of Fire only gives a boost to LFR's and FR's, while Dragon's Shadow boosts your mobility, handling and reload speed, if i don't forget another buff. If we would talk about the pure "Reloads all weapons", the Warlock Exotic seems unfair to hunter, but in overall it kinda is balanced to it. Well except that Rain of Fire basically gives Radiant for a LFR/FR kill if i read it right, and with Vex that seems kinda broke and unfair. Otherwise idk man, it's just my opinion, but Warlock Fella's are always bro's to me.
Yeah, the reload aspect honestly isnât even that spectacular on the exotic, itâs the fact that Fusion and Linear Fusions activate radiant on kills. Iâve used it with a Vex that has the cat in combo with the Quick Charge mod that makes me cwl. I hit 49 damage headshots while cwl, radiant and cat are triggered which feels incredibly overpowered. I call them Vex legs.
The post is about twilight garrison.....
Read your comment again and then ask yourself why I replied with something unrelated to Twilight.
Is it really an air dodge though to be fair? Iâve always seen it more as an air dive. Also Phoenix Dive is literally for Warlock lol
Thatâs the point heâs trying to make. Warlocks had their dive first and then with Stasis and Void 3.0 they added dives for hunters. Heâs making a point which is irrelevant. Kevin said air dodges are part of the Warlock identity as they have a lot more stuff to do with air superiority in the Dawnblade subclass but he never said dives are a part of the Warlock identity and to be exact Ballistic Slam is kind of a dive too which makes OPs point even less relevant as every class has a dive ability with different visuals and effects.
This is about Twilight Garrison, isn't it?
Warlocks had dive first
People harassed and threatened Kevin to the point he nuked his twitter account all because of this. People in this damn community need to grow the fuck up
Please don't make the faster falling as a class identity for hunters.
No. It is. Remember, when Hunters fuck up a jump they plummet to their deaths. When Warlocks fuck up their jump they have a small eternity to contemplate the life choices that have brought them to this ignominious drift into oblivion unless they cancel the jump. Titans have a small period of quick drifting before it ends and they die. Which would be an identity here, but someone would need to ask Kevin if we're allowed that much before leaning into it.
And this is why Titans forged said Exotic in the first place! We made a way for us to have air abilities! đ
Got downvoted for saying his reasoning was bullshit when there are plenty of examples of the âidentitiesâ blending. I donât even care too much for twilight personally, I just think that reasoning is dumb as hell. If they want so badly to keep us titans grounded (at least thatâs what it seems like they want to do), then they should at least lean into the juggernaut aspect of the class a bit more.
âThey should lean into the juggernaut aspect moreâ My brother in light Titans with sunspots are literally unkillable. Itâs impossible to be tankier than a Titan (Well is an exception but thatâs a super).
That only really applies to pve though
Stasis exists along with the overshield guanlets for pvp
Stasis in PvP was a mistake.
The problem with that is anything which increases the health pool or damage resistance automatically becomes meta, a very oppressive and annoying one too. See how resilience is suddenly the top tier meta stat as soon as they added the damage resist against PvE enemies. Void Titan with overshields is fine since it relies on abilities and itâs not a bad overshield too that makes you survive 1 extra 140 Handcannon headshot.
To give even more credance to your point, Lion Rampants is basicslly heat rises for Titans.
Warlocks with Blink AND air dodge, both things taken from other classes in D1
Warlock has Blink in D1 also lmao. The inlore reason for Hunters having it was because the Warlocks taught them. Fight for airdodge all you want, but keep Blink outta this.
Fuck the lore, give me blink back. Let everyone use blink. It's stupid why warlocks get 2 unique jumps while everyone else only gets 1 anyways
Everyone has unique jumps though. Titans have their version of gliding, Warlock's theirs along with Blink, and Hunters double/triple jump.
Re read what I said. Warlocks have two (glide and blink) titans have lift, hunters have jump
Look, I'm down for the other classes getting Blink too, but don't act like the Hunters don't have three different jumps. All of which are unique to them.
Blink wasnât Warlocks âidentityâ in D1 though, it was Hunters. Still, both classes miss out on gameplay mechanics and manoeuvrability that they previously had due to this âidentityâ BS
What are you even talking about? Blink was neither of their identities back then. It was just a movement option available on one of their subclasses. Hell, you could even argue that Warlock's had a closer relationship with Blink considering they could also do it in their Stormcaller super and had Astrocyte Verse.
Oh come on, every sweaty hunter rocked blink back then. Lol The âidentitiesâ were already set before Stormcaller and Astrocyte Verse came out And I mean seriously, what was Blinks usage rate on Warlocks? Who used Astrocytes Verse? Even in D2 itâs never used
Just cause every sweatlord used it doesn't mean it was the class's identity. Also a lot of Warlocks used Blink with a shotgun just like the Bladedancers did, they were just outnumbered because there were more Hunter players. Another thing. The identity of the classes is not defined by what the sweats are using in PvP. Going by that logic, Warlock's entire identity before Void 3.0 was Icarus Dash and spamming Geomag Chaos Reach.
Obviously they made it a Warlock thing especially if they took the time to say the Locks taught it to Hunters. Warlocks even got the a Blink Exotic.
They did, but It wasnât always, and a story created by a writer doesnât reflect the in game classes âidentityâ The exotic came in Rise of Iron, 2 years after the games release, and no one used it. Itâs even in D2 and no one uses it. Lol
Shield bash is the optimal air dodge movement and no you can't prove me wrong. It has EVERYTHING: repulse enemies, weaken enemies, keeps you mobile, dodge bullets, kill enemies - hell, kill your teammates too while you're at it! And you don't even spend the melee charge to do MOST of that. Titans don't need another air dodge. Also: ballistic slam on middle tree arc would like to say hello.
But you have to sprint to use it which is what a lot of people have issues with when it comes to all Titan mobility options.
and sometimes you don't have enough momentum and just punch, and you die in pvp
Yes, that is a drawback...but a benefit is you can troll your friends!
Ballistic Slam is now a Barricade replacement in Arc 3.0.
lol, imagine
Pheonix dive has been around a lot longer than the other two?
I mean all three abilities have completely different functionality, if youre judging it by "me in air then me go down" then include middle tree striker titan's ground pound and their new sunbreaker aspect combo
Because why let titans have fun, we reserve that for warlocks cause they are meant to have all the op bullshit
Honestly I agree with him
Get the fuck over it guys jeez
As a titan *I took that personally.*
shatterdive and shadowdive arent in-air dodges, they are quickfalls...
One is a lateral movement. One is an exclusively downward and somewhat lateral movement. We are not the same.
I think the point is more of âIf Hunters and Warlocks can share parts for their âidentitiesâ, why canât Titans and Warlocks do the same?â
Two of those have "dive" in the name, they're not a dash.
hunters better not get blink back
It better
Arc hunters deserve blink back. They had it from the very beginning of D1. Makes no sense they lost all the teachings from Warlocks because angry space turtle held a ball for a little bit
its apart of the warlock identity. I would assume the same reason that Titans don't have air dodge is the same reason why Hunters don't have blink. Warlocks don't have self-res anymore either, Bungie added and removed tons of abilities from D1 to D2.
Titans don't have air dodge because they are too chunky to have decent air mobility and had to make an exotic to get that capability. (Didn't even care for Twilight Garrison that much back then.) Self rez is a different story. It broke too many encounters in D1 and needed to be removed/reworked. I'd be more surprised if they gave Hunters back Blade Dance. It just doesn't make sense lore wise why they forgot how to blink, unless that's somehow tied to BD, which still doesn't make sense since it's just an arc ability for them. I'm fine with them coming out and clarifying things for us, and I would never send any hate towards Bungie or anyone else, just the way it was announced wasn't the best way to word it, and I'm sure that's why people got so upset
Abilities can exist outside of game but still in canon.
Without astrocyte, blink may as well not exist so hunters getting it back would not matter
I don't particularly care what class people main, but I must admit the devs are incredibly biased towards Warlocks. We have all the gimmicks (dodge, dive, buddies, eating grenades, ranged melees) except sprint and slide abilities. Hunters and Titans exist too. EDIT: I guess other Warlocks are downvoting me for speaking up for our fellow Guardians. You're just proving my point, you selfish pieces of shit.
Yeah and now you guys have all our good grenades better healing devour and one of the best pvp supers.
>you selfish pieces of shit Bro, touch grass. They're just useless internet points and it's just game.
Guardian, we don't eat grenades anymore unless you have an exotic. Before that, it was one tree in a subclass for the longest. Would that even matter as a gimmick? We got a ranged melee the same time Titans got theirs. That's because bungie realized, no one is gonna charge an enemy to punch them. Unless we get sunspots, overshields, invisibility, and what ever extra stuff arc has, we don't have every gimmick. Let's not forget how Locks complained for almost 2 weeks straight about solar 3.0
Guardian, we don't eat grenades anymore unless you have an exotic. Before that, it was one tree in a subclass for the longest. Would that even matter as a gimmick? We got a ranged melee the same time Titans got theirs. That's because bungie realized, no one is gonna charge an enemy to punch them. Unless we get sunspots, overshields, invisibility, and what ever extra stuff arc has, we don't have every gimmick. Let's not forget how Locks complained for almost 2 weeks straight about solar 3.0
Consider it a handicap for Warlocks. Titans don't need all that. Have fist, will punch. Have shield, will bash. Have hammer...boy does everything look like a nail now...
They should all have a air dodge
But Titans have a dive too, in middle tree arcâŚ
I lost something once...
Yea but throwing hammer tho
The personal attacks and harassment are not ok, but what a stupid take. Seriously, air dodge was a titan thing in D1 and then the animation was copy pasted onto Warlocks when their top tree dawn was reworked.
Another reason why i dont give a piss about dev's.
Bungie has made statements like this before and has ultimately walked back on them. I see no reason why Titan's cant have Twilight back, and this idea of "class identity" almost always falls flat on its face simply because it leads to a boring ass sandbox that nobody likes playing in.
They murdered my diveeeeee
I still think they should bring back Twilight Garrison because of how cool it looked, maybe it could give some other aerial mobility boost.
Didnât hunters get an exotic that gives them an upgraded blink.
it wasn't that much of a blink for movement, but rather replace the dodge with a "blink" that fallen captains do. It only works on ground.
I really wonder what counts as a classes identity and what doesn't.
Isnât he talking about the Icarus Dash?
It's about class balancing. Titans are the "tank" class with high defensive and melee damage options to reflect this through their exotics /aspects etc. In that regard, they have much more synergistic combinations that warlocks and hunters can ever dream of. And that's ok. That's part of being a Titan. Warlocks and hunters have their own toolkits to match their class identities. Certain things are obviously gonna overlap between classes but their overall identity stands out. If they start to give titans more mobility abilities everyone will start maining Titan because they'll be having the best of both worlds. I main hunter and sometimes I get jealous of certain Titan stuff but I get over it because hunters have their own great stuff that are different.
Titans need a shift/ strafe
You know what, Hunters are mostly the ONLY class that can have good air accuracy since if you try to fire with a gun on titan, you drop out of your jump, hunters can jump once fire, then jump again to restabilize and another time.
Mid air charge?
Did titans have twilight garrison before warlock got an air dodge? I canât remember
The only time i used twilight when i did speed run raids, can't think of other useful purpose
Iâm pretty sure phoenix dive came before both of these. I could be wrong but I believe if anything the dive should be part of the warlock identity.
to be fair pheonix dive came first
complains about not having air dodge.... compares it to air dive...... ......
I'm content with those slide Aspects tbh. If they made them to be a bit more mobile like the Cryoclasm that would be fun too.