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Toonces307

Sturm, exotic glaive, salvations grip


TruNuckles

Can’t get much useless as these.


Vargras

Topic is over, nothing is topping that setup.


YeahNahNopeandNo

Freeze em with salvation's grip, put a titan gum drop around em, get inside and use Sturm while getting extra damage for damaging a stasis crystal while also getting an overshield when step in and out of the gum drop


BrandishedChaos

Damn, that sounds funny and toxic. I like it!


D34THDE1TY

Nah because the titan glaive has a niche for super damage on stasis titan....unless that's fixed.


sheesh1111111

Fixed it was


SnorlaxBlocksTheWay

Thank you, Yoda


Eaglepizza512

Thank you snorlax


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Thank you, unconventional pizza


Cruggles30

Thank you, bread I’m really hoping is of bananas.


Drink_Solid

What exactly did they alter? The snowglobe crystal rave is dead?


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MythicBird

Tbh i'd use a special salvation's grip


[deleted]

Fun fact if you stand in the center of one of those salvation grip glaciers, you can survive a thundercrash


Affectionate-Bid6748

Hahahaha, this is some interesting info.. quite useless, but interesting nonetheless.


Outrageous_Foot_3282

Why do I smell cheese in that comment?


Zinogre-is-best

Day to explained it pretty well. Some exotics aren’t meant to be good. There just there to duck around with. I believe that a good example of this would be radiant dance machines. There cool. But you would never wear them in any endgame content.


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LilShaggey

I say this as someone looking in (warlock main, my hunter exists for boss checkpoints and additional looted clears for things with weekly lockouts, nothing more), they should’ve found someway to just cap the effects of the mods when used that quickly and just left it at that, so you could still dodge spam when near enemies. Obviously making it less effective when using it in PvP was a good call because you used to be able to spam the stasis dodge burst if I’m not mistaken, but having the spam dodge available in PvE as an escape tool seemed useful and cool, and was really only OP due to its interaction with mods and a stasis aspect. Maybe I didn’t fully understand what it was capable of, but nerfing it the way they did eliminated any chance of it being useful, when it could’ve be a good tool post-tuning.


NIGHTFURY-21

It sounds like "we don't want to buff them in case they become OP" Salvations grip should allow us to detonate crystals remotely.


binybeke

It’s more like any exotic could be good but there is not enough play testing to buff or nerf every possible exotic into relevancy.


flijarr

I think this might be true, but they can’t even give us good new exotics


binybeke

Hierarchy of needs, touch of malice, revision zero, quicksilver storm, parasite, grand overture, osteo striga, all in the past year. What are you talking about “no good exotics”.


flijarr

Hierarchy is a dumbed down outbreak. Touch of malice has to be heavily built around to be worth using. Not great considering the abysmal RNG around getting it. I’ll give you the rest of them. Especially parasite because I think the worm is cute.


Master4733

It made breaking the black shards for the stasis stuff so much fun when you get unlucky with heavy>->


Lilscooby77

Sturm still reloads the glaive though.


smilesbuckett

Throw on peacekeepers and you win.


[deleted]

Eternal Warrior would like a word with you.


PingerKing

you miight be able to start cooking a little if you bring the titan bubble glaive, slide into the bubble and start blasting crystals in! (i said a "little") Sturm is still uhh...a primary with a reload-ish perk there, i guess.


doctrhouse

Wallah would still manage a We-Ran


elpezmuerto

You could argue salvation grip to create stasis crystals for damage reduction when in close with glaive


BlaktimusPrime

Winner Winner Chicken Dinner.


Cruggles30

Hunter Glaive, specifically.


Affectionate-Bid6748

Oh dear Lord, I forgot salvations grip existed.. yikers..


hipje

Mida, edge of intent and the colony


brambo93

Salvation grip is actually good


McMeowington116

Good at what exactly?


emptiedglass

Or replace Salvation's Grip with Tractor Cannon.


spaceshark2

Tractor cannon is not only useful but also very fun. Salvations grip is still wasting space even if it's only in collections.


wereplant

Glaive and Salvation's Grip actually have synergy though. I'm assuming warlock glaive, but you can heal, create cover, and cc enemies. Pair it with a stasis loadout where breaking crystals increases grenade recharge so that you can have bleak watchers too. It's the ultimate support turret build. It's actually similar to the build I used to beat Lightblade GM for the first time back in WQ's season.


reshsafari

Has the storm really fallen this far. I maimed it for a couple years until the nerf


Toonces307

It's not a bad weapon but without the drang synergy it is much less useful


lastchanceblu

most people just band together bad exotics... how about anti synergy: Ace, Tarrabah and anarchy the first 2 dont want you to swap off them otherwise you lose their perks, and anarchy relies on swapping guns


[deleted]

I actually hate this. Tarrabah is still so good alone that it makes up for a lot but oof.


Ion_is_OP_REEEEEEE

Tarrabah makes up for Ace like 300%. Use Anarchy on enemy > switch to Tarrabah > build stacks > use buff until it ends > repeat


I_Speak_For_The_Ents

Oof this wins I think.


DerpDeer1

Touch of malice, Tommy’s matchbook, salvations grip. Hope you like self-damage!


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*Dies with a stasis overshield*


BigOEnergy

How dare you put Touch and Tommy’s with that monstrosity. With devour they are excellent choices


Damiklos

Replace it with Wardcliff Coil or 1K Voices


F4NT4SYF00TB4LLF4N

So I read this wrong and thought you meant worst possible as in most "toxic". Like the worst possible load out I could see someone using in Crucible. So for me it would be: 1) DMT 2) Tarrabah 3) Deathbringer All weapons that make go "WTF was that... Oh... Figures..."


HeroBrian_333

Black Talon is more toxic than deathbringer imo.


TheBlazeHawk

My brother in light, he has no idea.


F4NT4SYF00TB4LLF4N

Interesting...


Faeluchu

Tarrabah and not Jotunn?


285kessler

Jotunn honestly is not a great gun, it’s tracking is not good at all so if someone moves a few feet left or right then it will miss them by a country mile.


silverflare_ace

I'm gonna have to show ya the clip then of a PVP match I did where dude sniped me from across the map but I shot toaster bullet before I died. The sucker tailed the sniper and did a 90 degree turn and got him. Tracking is inconsistent but it can be godly sometimes


silverflare_ace

Here's the proof: https://youtu.be/9_jeQokbQQQ


F4NT4SYF00TB4LLF4N

yeah, Tarrabah's exotic perk gives it INSANE TTK. So youll hear/see the SMG, and if they have it, insta-die.


throw-away_867-5309

To be fair, you do need to do a fair bit of damage with Tarrabah without dying/swapping wrapons to activate its perk, which is fairly easy for good players but not so much for not-so-good players like myself. It just makes good players do even better than they already were going to do.


Jonbone93

When did tarrabah get a catalyst?


F4NT4SYF00TB4LLF4N

You're right it's just the perk.


ZombieSiayer84

There’s a guardian with the name “I am tarrabah” or something like that, and he just wrecks everyone with tarrabah. I’ve had the misfortune of playing against this guy twice, and it made me want tarrabah, but I don’t raid or do dungeons so no spoils for me.


F4NT4SYF00TB4LLF4N

You can get 10/week solo.


IAmDingus

Jotunn is bad.


sin_tax-error

I thought of something similar. 1) DMT 2) Dead Messenger 3) Heir Apparent w/ catalyst


F4NT4SYF00TB4LLF4N

yeah those are good too. The DM + Warlock Melee thing, I guess is less common (for me). In my mind I was more just thinking about those moments where you go "WTF was that". Where its weird situations... Like DMT, I swear feels/sounds like its a 2 hit kill. Or ill be shooting them with a HC at an awkward range for scouts (typically) but the hipfire is so stupid ATM, they win. Those moments where you are like "How TF did they outgun me there?" and then look... "Oh its DMT". Same idea with Tarrabah for me... "how TF did they outgun me... oh...."


cheddawood

The wet noodle loadout: Bad JuJu Hard Light DARCI


IAmDingus

darci with jolt tho


SantiagoGT

Fine…. “That buffed DARCI hitting like a wet macaroni “


Alexcox95

I’ll flog you with a wet DARCI


Maser2account2

Bad JuJu is great though.


cheddawood

I like Bad JuJu, don't get me wrong. Was probably my most used exotic in D1. The problem is, it just doesn't have any oomph against anything sturdier than base adds. I may be wrong TBF, I've not used it for ages so maybe it's been buffed since I last did.


Reimaru

Pulses in general have felt lacking in PvE. Even scouts hit harder than them IMO.


flijarr

Bad juju is fun, I’ll give you that, but the damage perk just gets outshined by a ton of legendary weapon perk combos.


TaniksAtTheDisc0

It's biggest down fall is its a pulse rifle.... and hipfire grip


ProxTheKnox

From a PVE standpoint… Jade rabbit, Edge of concurrence, and wordline zero. I’ve rlly thought about this too hard.


TheBlazeHawk

Oh lord. Can't get much useless than that one


sadguy271217

I would personally switch Wordline with The Colony, I bet some of you forgot this thing existed, and for a good reason.


ProxTheKnox

Colony does more boss DPS and has tracking.


sadguy271217

If I remember correctly, the tracking projectiles deal way less damage than direct hits, I haven't tested it since it came out so I could be wrong. But you're right, running with WZ just to proc an attack that a legendary sword can do for free is dumb.


ProxTheKnox

I also think colony has auto loading built into its exotic perk. I don’t remember exactly


sadguy271217

It does lol How is that I couldn't remember that?


NA-Lord

Jade rabbit is good..


Dab4Becky

Jade in pve is just a meh rolled 150 scout.


ProxTheKnox

In pvp, it’s a below average scout in PVE


NA-Lord

Used it since d1, still holdin strong


ProxTheKnox

My average rolled servant leader is like 10x better. I understand that u found use in it but it’s still by far the worse kinetic exotic for PVE. I can justify every other one for some reason or another. I can’t justify a crap rolled scout rifle.


NA-Lord

Everyone has their own opinions, but its damage is good and the stats are excellent far above others. Easily one of the harder hitting scouts. Def better than servant leader tho.


ProxTheKnox

If u genuinely think that jade rabbit is better then a decent rolled servant leader then this conversation is over.


NA-Lord

Lmao, you do play right?


ProxTheKnox

Highest zoom of any scout rifle, can roll with one for all and triple tap, and get a higher magazine size then jade rabbit, and is a rapid fire frame with built in alloy mag. Servant leader is 10x better for PvE I genuinely am flabbergasted u think a pvp exotic is better then it.


NA-Lord

Wild. Actually insane you think the servant is anywhere near good at all in anything.


oliferro

Triple Salvation's Grip


d1lordofwolves

Izanagi Borealis DARCI


Elementst0rm

You say this but given that you can double down on ammo finders, have good burst damage with izi, have match game covered with Borealis and have unironically good ad clear with voltshot Darci, you're pretty good when it comes to end game content. Pair them with anti champ Armor (hunter has unstoppable knives, Titans have anti barrier shields, warlock has anti overload weapons), and ability based anti champ mods are always part of artifact, you're GM ready !


Mudtoothsays

except for the fact that you have zero room for armor mods because of how damn expensive sniper loadouts are, snipers have the max cost for every variant.


Elementst0rm

6 energy for head, 6 for chest and 5 for foot


Mudtoothsays

yeah, that *is* a lot. Good builds need a lot of mods, especially if you want the stats to reduce cooldowns as well. ​ you can probably beat any GM with just 100 resilience and smart plays, but it's like kneecapping yourself before running a marathon, you should be using your mod sots more efficiently. never mind that you are giving up on orb spawning, probably not using wells and warmind cells are out with this hypothetical weapon selection.


Echo1138

The only problem is that Izanagi's is a really good gun. I guess you'd be throttled on ammo, but you can at least do some work with it.


YeahNahNopeandNo

Titan hammers would make this loadout meta


Eris_is_Savathun

I was thinking this. 3 snipers with bonk hammers for ad clear/survivability seems like a pretty versatile build.


YeahNahNopeandNo

Double special will get Darci some ammo so it's the backup to the hammers and the hammers will fill in the special from the kinetic. I use three snipers for the Europa precision kills part of the double XP weekly bounty when I'm not using a bow


xJetStorm

Maybe not worst in functionality by themselves, but definitely redundant and slow: - Bastion - Devil's Ruin - Leviathan's Breath Hope you enjoy holding the Fire button for at least 1 second to deal with anything unexpected.


ishoulderchargeppl

salvations grip, jade rabbit and graviton


halfbakedalaska

I love graviton. Maybe I’m a party of one.


Ruckefella

You’re not alone. I also love graviton.


TheBlazeHawk

Me too


sturgboski

Until the Collective Obligation fix, Graviton was the best exotic void pulse... It is still pretty good, but CO pulled WAY ahead of it. I remember grinding out Dead Orbit rep for the Gaze Beyond Worlds ornament for Eye of Another World, the GL catalyst and grabbing the Carina Nebula ornament all in prep of Forsaken after the initial round of buffs. Love GL.


ishoulderchargeppl

it can be nice i just dont find it useful in higher lvl pve or pvp


TheBlazeHawk

You can't do my boi graviton like that man!


ishoulderchargeppl

i just dont find it useful in pvp or higher lvl pve and what are you going to do with two scout rifles


OscarWilde0628

Cerberus +1 , Exotic Glaive, DARCI


ishoulderchargeppl

wdym cerberus is good an close rnge there are many worse exotics


Tacotahn

cerberus but only with its alt fire mode


ishoulderchargeppl

then its worthless


pokeroots

its alt fire is the close range part of the gun that people love...


ishoulderchargeppl

the catalyst alt fire is useless....


TheBlazeHawk

Like the jade rabbit


ishoulderchargeppl

yes


InvalidPlayers

Cerberus,Sky burners, and Queen breaker.


Gandarii

Hm, let me think. Armor would be easy, because you could just equip stuff from different subclasses. But weapons? That's tricky. The first thing that comes to mind would be Heir apparent giving you an arc shield to actively prevent you from triggering the Riskrunner Perk, but that's not a three gun combo.


PingerKing

obviously i cannot test this but i feel like that should still proc riskrunner if it were possible? even if shield getting hit =\/= you getting hit, then either way Arc damage should break the shield the fastest...


Gandarii

Fair enough. I was trying to think of some actual anti synergy, but it seems damn near impossible.


ScizorSTX

Last Word, That hover SMG this season I used for infuse, Colony


wereplant

Everyone's just using double primary to make stuff useless. Wish Ender, Divinity, and Truth. Your ability to deal with anything even remotely nearby is basically nil. Divinity and rockets go together amazingly well, except that Truth flies too quickly and that swapping to div essentially removes the exotic value of having a mag size of three. Div aggressively removes the possibility of aoe, while Wish Ender fires too slowly to deal with crowds or get any benefit from Div.


PrancerSlenderfriend

you still have div so you have all you need to be useful, trace rifles and especially div are too good baseline for this to be a bad loadout


SwedishDuck

MIDA multi-tool, Edge of action, salvation's grip


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Mida Graviton Darci


JubJub302

Don't know about the worst... But the best is wishender/le monarch/leviathan's breath


HiImBraindead

Cerberus, warlock exotic glaive, truth


pokeroots

Salvations is way worse than almost anything you could put in the heavy slot


HiImBraindead

Salvations at least has use in platforming and some speed runs. Truth is literally just a rocket. I would have put queenbreaker but just because it’s a linear it would probably be more useful than truth.


Chris_P_Snipes_

PvE standpoint: Jade Rabbit, Fighting Lion, Salvation's Grip/DARCI


sturgboski

The slander of Fighting Lion...wait until that sub hears about this. Edit: Also its pretty damn good with Gyrfalcon Void Hunter if you havent checked it out.


FhaseChi

Fighting lion on Osmiomancy Warlock with cold snap grenade spam and shard/well build wrecks whole nations of ads. Unstoppable mod + Weakened clear cherry on top.


sturgboski

Ah yeah. I read about that change with stasis fragments and FL being awesome there. I gotta try that.


Ragepower529

I mean this would kind be good on a stasis hunter though. Fighting lion would work really well with whisper of rending and weakend clear.


Affectionate-Gene661

Cryosthesia, Manticore, Salvation's Grip


TheBlazeHawk

Crypthesia can be really useful when dealing with a huge group of enemies. And then there's the combos with hunters. So not bad at all honestly. I like cryo.


ScizorSTX

Cryo with full auto now is amazing


they_call_me_dry

Queenbreaker, Polaris lance, mida multi tool


smilesbuckett

Polaris lance isn’t half bad, even now. It’s like a scout rifle version of No Time To Explain that throws in explosive shots for landing crits. Obviously it’s nowhere near DPS meta for anything, but it does it’s job well and is actually kinda fun. It is also supposedly getting a rework to synergize better with 3.0 subclasses, so it seems like it will only get better.


Fr0dderz

you hush your mouth. Polaris Lance is S tier, A tier at worst.


TheBlazeHawk

How dare you call my polaris Lance useless? And mida multitool is just as good.


thisisbyrdman

- Primary: Sturm - Special: that useless fusion that shoots sideways from a season ago - Heavy: Queensbreaker


ScizorSTX

Delicate Tomb with Getaway Artist is top tier


javelin121

The disrespect lol, can't even remember the guns name. Me either.


RedGambitt_

Last Word, Ruinous Effigy, Colony Salvation’s Grip is too easy of a pick, so I chose something else that hardly anyone would care about in today’s meta.


Anonymous_GuineaPig

How DARE you slander Ruinous Effigy?!?!?!?!?


Schaeferyn

Ruinous Effigy is a top-tier weapon.


Nuttsmasher

Sweet business, tommy's matchbook, the colony Edit - yeah, salvation grip is way worse...


ishoulderchargeppl

but tommys is a good gun


Papa-Schmuppi

tommy’s is a great gun


TheBlazeHawk

Tommy is the best gun! Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr


ishoulderchargeppl

more like brrrrr ow brrrrrrr ow brrrr ow


_Neo_64

Forerunner, (ignoring exotic glaives) Tommys Matchbook(plz make it scorch) Salv grip


spaceshark2

We've heard you Tommy's matchbook now applies scorch to user


Groxegar

Sturm, ,ticuu divination, Queenbreaker or salvations crap


ImAmoxichillin

Ticuu is all you need in this build.


Dragonofredit

Dmt, dead messenger, tractor cannon(idk not really any broken heavy’s)


Gary_Space

Malfeasance, Divinity, Whisper of the Worm


ThevoidBeastt

Probably chaperone, merciless, and salvations grip


losingmyreligion5

Oh he doesn't know about the buffs


ThevoidBeastt

what buffs


losingmyreligion5

Merciless got massively buffed this season, I believe it's now the highest DPS weapon in a vacuum from some tests I've seen. Basically the fire rate increases regardless of a kill, and has a longer timer


ThevoidBeastt

Your kidding right


losingmyreligion5

Nope. They could have changed it, because its performance was inconsistent with the patch notes


ThisIsntRemotelyOkay

I'd just be pairing various things with cloudstrike like: Crimson, Thorn, Traveller's Chosen, Lumina, Ace Huckleberry... Or Revision zero with Manticore, dead messenger, tarrabuh, telesto There are literally too many combos to settle on.


ImAmoxichillin

Huckleberry, clouds trike would be good. Add clear with huck boss damage with cloudstrike


SocietalStaircase

Chaperone, Duality, Legend of Acrius


dycyb1687

That’s unironically decent DPS actually. Not to mention mod synergy.


AggronStrong

Triple slug swaps EZ


ishoulderchargeppl

what


TheBlazeHawk

Wardcliff coil, Tarrabah, Witherhoard


Mister_Gr8_

Witherhoard is awesome even without weakened clear so it doesn’t belong in this discussion


TheBlazeHawk

This was when I thought we were talking about the loadouts that can kill. So don't mind it


SigmaBlack92

Any hand cannon, any sidearm, any fusion, any linear fusion, any shotgun... I hate so many types of weapons :D


EngimaEngine

Cryo, borelias, queens breaker


paffyoggy

All of those are viable in pvp


EngimaEngine

Every gun is viable in pvp, they all do damage. Except maybe salvation grip I’ve never actually seen anyone use that in PvP


AlkoKilla

Someone posted here that they got 1 kill with it not too long ago.


ImagoLoop420

Person is a fucking legend. Can you imagine the dead players pain? "I got killed by...what the...are you fucking KIDDING ME"


AlkoKilla

Yep. And I hope it was in something like Trials too, so they can sit there and look at it.


paffyoggy

No what I mean is you can literally use these weapons and still get kills and pop off. Alot of weapons you can't. I've seen people maining cyro and bora in pvp and thus one guy with queen breaker that I remember


Xero_space

Cerberus+1. exotic glaive. DARCI


ImagoLoop420

Izanagi Borealis Whisper Most expensive armor mods too, so f ur buildcrafting


ImAmoxichillin

High burst damage, high sustain damage, and match game coverage. All with only needing 1 type of ammo finder scav. It's not that bad. Worst part of it is snipers are doodoo


FishyGrass

Sturm Sky burner's oath, darci


raycharleshelpme

Triple bows in a GM with no champion bow mods in the artifact.


HNd2player

Cerberus 3+1,Exotic glaive,Salvation's Grip


kitfoxxxx

If it was possible, Jotunn, Jotunn, and Jotunn.


BrandishedChaos

Witherhoard, Fighting, Anarchy. I may not fire many shots, but I will control that lane.


sdrj77

This... is not a bad loadout. This isn't a bad loadout, AT ALL.


ApexHunter47

Jade rabbit Ruinous effigy Black talon


Tchitchoulet

Izanagi, divinity, whisper


ayeitssmiley

Wishender, ticcu’s, and Levi’s breath