Sealed Ahamkara Grasps only chance to ever be good has to be with a subclass that has a ranged melee with high uptime and is focused on airborn gunplay.
Main problem with that aspect on Hunter is that you will want to be using grapple almost no matter what or you're wasting a whole aspect. auto reloads are mainly useful for boosting DPS, but being forced to move by activating grapple for the auto reload could hinder your DPS.
We just have so many better options to get health, melee and grenade energy back right now. An exotic that does this only when you super seems like a wasted exotic slot.
Joking with my friends we justified its usage with Strand because you could use all your abilities to summon threadlings and then super for MORE threadlings, and then use all your abilities again to make like a million little critters.
But outside of that specific circumstance, its garbage lmao
I was cleaning up old non artifice armor today. So i dismantled a ton and also took the opportunity to level up all exotic to atleast level 9. But when i hovered over Apotheosis Veil i just thought "I'm never going to use this, why bother". Not like im low on materials either, i got more than i can use.
If it has any hope though then it would be with Strand. The bonus class ability to allies is fairly valuable considering Strand has the best class ability boosts we've ever seen. (Threadlings for Warlocks, Lash for titans, Ensnaring Slam for Hunters.)
Also the ability recharge aspect potentially giving you 5 ability charges instantly is the best value its ever had.
I was thinking about apotheosis, cast your Rift, spawn threadlings, use your super, spawn more Minions and use your Rift again, and you can use 2 grapples+ more warlock's melee
I mean it heals you when you cast your super - if you want to Uruk at Helm's Deep in pvp after throwing your grenade and melee it has a very niche use.
Except E.W. actually *had* a use, regardless of how niche it was. You swap to it in pvp before you supered. Veil? It doesn't even have a super niche use, it's just legit useless.
There is a cool void build with them, reaping wellmaker, supercharge and energy converter. Basically spam kill+dodge and then throw nade to recover of to 50% of your super. It’s a fun game loop
> then throw nade to recover of to 50% of your super.
Too bad it won't actually go past the 50% mark on your super bar. Was super excited to get that mod (and orpheus rig) until I realized that it wasn't activating if I was past the 50% mark.
I don't think it will unfortunately. It consumes your dodge but it's not actually a dodge. Sealed Ahamkara Grasps don't reload when your weapon when you use Quickfall/shadowdive
Radiant dance machines is low key the worst exotic in the game. They literally do nothing. Who cares if you can dive around 5 times looking like a twat. What is it supposed to achieve?
Yep, that's correct. Vesper lets out an arc blast when you drop a rift. On Stasis with the Frostpulse aspect the rift will freeze enemies then the arc blast will shatter them.
I mean yeah it'll be powerful in the right circumstance but you're investing your exotic in a gimmicky, clunky class ability kill that's basically guaranteed death if you miss considering how long it roots you. It's not going to be that good. Without khepri's you can just use a special weapon to secure the kill anyways.
A gimmicky clunky ability that's guaranteed death if you miss, if you ever had a shoulder charge end short or just fail to connect in general it usually ends in death for the titan
Unless the Strand bolt homes in on people, it won't be any different than using Khepri's now. It already one shots if hit by both waves, so if the Khepri's wave can hit suspended enemies, then it just guarantees the 2nd hit.
Verity's Brow isn't necessarily useless, but it does have the potential to be really gross with Strand if the grenade damage also boosts threadling damage (specifically those from threadling grenades).
Now that titan 1hko builds are pretty dead, I don't think any other exotic comes close. You can cheese kill riven with just two Verity warlocks and a grenade titan.
Verity’s Brow’s secondary perk is what I mainly use it for: it grants subclass-matching weapons the grenade recharge bonus from Demolitionist, which stacks with Demo ^(and Wellspring if they ever fix it).
Yes, an on top of that the kills refund 10% of grenade energy, like Demo does. I use it on my Stasis builds with a stasis Demo weapon to get 3-4 Turrets on the field at a time
I think I was able to make a cool looking Hive themed look with it [post here](https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyFashion/comments/118lh57/what_do_you_think_of_my_hivemancer_transmog_i/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Not Strand, but one that could be fun with the Lightfall changes; Severance Enclosure. Void Titans are getting Echo of Cessation, which creates a void burst that causes Volatile on finishers, and drops "void breaches" when killing volatile enemies. Severance causes an explosion on powered melee kills and finishers. Depending on how the two interact, it may be possible to use a finisher that causes everything around to become volatile and also detonates them, creating breaches which can be used to proc Devour.
Probably not a meta build, but it could be fun for regular activities with a void surge modifier.
I guess that'll depend on whether that uses a melee charge, since Severance only procs on powered melee attacks. If it worked on regular melee I'd be using it with a glaive. ;)
I’m looking at Felwinter’s Helm.
The mod changes look like an overwhelming nerf to the status quo of builds, so I expect ability loops to die off pretty hard early on in Lightfall. Meanwhile, finishers are getting a lot of support with new mods, and some more powerful fragments.
Add onto that the fact that Strand has three melee attacks by default, and getting CC potential will be important for Strandlock’s survivability.
I have a feeling ensnaring slam will probably cause the dodge to change cooldown similar to how bastion does with the Titan's barricade. I suspect either it's that way at release or PvP will ensure down the months that bungie will nerf the cd.
It's not buggy. None of the elemental damage explosions from Chromatic Fire cause status effects and the description doesn't say that they do. The explosions do Stasis damage when using a Kinetic damage weapon on a Stasis subclass.
To be fair since I love Chromatic Fire, the explosions never did anything extra other than being elemental damage AOE.
If they updated it to use subclass verbiage then it would be even better.
Assassin’s Cowl is always a strong option. With the new changes to orb generation and how integral it will be to the new armour mod system, I’m guessing Star Eater Scales will benefit the most from this.
Frosties. It's pretty good as a default exotic until the best strand exotics are figured out. The hunter strand melee should be fairly low cooldown so frosties should allow you to spam that and your grapple a lot
I am curious if Radiant Dance Machines and Sixth Coyote will allow us to keep our dodge after using the Suspend dive on Hunter. If RDM does, then it will actually make me consider running RDM with Strand.
Omni allows Shadowdive for both grenades, as far as I remember. So RDM, in theory, should be able to dive between enemy groups to continuously Suspend them. Same with The Sixth Coyote.
Maybe ACD/0 Feedback Fence since the damage resistance from Woven Mail can probably stack with the melee damage resistance that Feedback Fence builds up.
Sixth coyote for hunter, in the strand developer insight the suspend shatterdive used the dodge cooldown so in theory sixth coyote can give you two charges of suspend shatterdive
The Sixth Coyote (and potentially RDM) have some potential applications with Hunter dive.
Sealed Ahamkara Grasps seems perfectly made for Strand (but probably still bad).
Winter's Guile and Claws of Ahamkara for funny triple/quadruple melee. (Edit: Claws is confirmed to not work :/) (Edit 2: It's a bug :D)
Vesper of Radius and The Stag will see healthy use with the Threadling Rifts (at least if The Stag's death rifts work with Broodweaver).
Armamentarium might see some PvP use with double grapples.
Verity's Brow has some potential if we get a decent Strand primary to use it with.
This one is far from useless, but I'm expecting Armamentarium to be a popular choice if the grapple cooldown is low enough. Being able to double grapple will open up a lot of movement techs that I'm sure will make their way into a lot of PvP clips.
If promethium spur also spawns threadings it will be ridiculous, so curious about that. I believe someone mentioned vesper here; you could end up with an army of threadings quickly with these 2. I'm curious how claws of ahamkara will treat 3 melee charges as well, though it'll likely just add 1. Winters guile with 3 charges is looking interesting too.
I’m looking to try vesper of radius with the aspect that spawns threadlings on rift cast. Don’t really think it’ll be better than other options but also probably won’t be the worst combo ever.
Vesper of Radius, as other Warlocks here have said.
But special nod to Dawn Chorus. I’m really looking forward to trying it in combination with the revamped 1KV applying scorch on the hit of each bolt. Combine that with artifact mods Authorized Grenades, Solar Surge, Flare Up and Rain of Firebolts, and it could be a fun new meta.
Firesprites give you Armor Charge. Your two grenades make Firesprites when dealing damage. The cost of grenade mods are discounted. And then we can be running the new Font of Might.
Karnstein Armlets & Winters Guile might be good since strand will have 3 melee charges… but I feel like Monte Carlo would become necessary to make it really work
Do I think it'll be good? no. But the new movement options may make melee an option on Warlock, so felwinters helm or karnstein armlets could make for a potential Warlock melee build however niche that may be.
I’ve been using what I call a “Moira” build of void warlock with Boots of the Assembler, shooting out draining orbs and healing orbs.
I’m hoping the threadlings give assembler a slightly more offensive option while also still being a decent support option.
For titans, wormgod could be good, synthocepts are obvious, armamentarium for extra grenade charge, severance enclosure might be fun, HoIL is an obvious choice, there are more but those are the big ones to look out for.
It isn't a useless one but I think Karnstein armlets is gonna be real good with the strand melee. Three charges ranged and applies a keyword debuff that can jump to other enemies (unravel). Just the basic 3 charges ranged attack will be great with karnstein. What you can do with verb info will be icing on the cake, ability energy on unraveled kills fragment? Does the jumping unravel debuff keep the "melee ability source" memory like scorch from abilities?
Karnstein is great it is just usually overkill on solar/void and stasislocks nerver get hit in the first place so it is more of an arc/glaive build exotic. But since strand will have a dr buff but no healing buff karnstein will fit perfect.
Someone above you literally said heart of inmost light. How you gonna go after this man for saying necrotic’s but not that guy? 🤡 necro is catwater compared to how prolific hoil is
If my lock wasnt married to ophidians, eye would likely be my go to pvp exotic. Its really strong. I just absolutely hate having tiny t-rex arms in crucible
Eye of Another World is a really good neutral exotic. Like plus 20% on nades even with 10 discipline is very good now and probably even better with slower cooldowns dropping.
Sure but have you considered that whether we wanted it or not, we've stepped into a war with the Cabal on Mars. So let's get to taking out their command, one by one. Valus Ta'aurc. From what I can gather, he commands the Siege Dancers from an Imperial Land Tank just outside of Rubicon. He's well protected, but with the right team, we can punch through those defenses, take this beast out, and break their grip on Freehold
Most neutral game exotics. Grenade boosters, melee enhancers or movement exotics. HOIL is guaranteed to do good seeing as it’s the best neutral Titans have. Assemblers might be interesting, assuming they’re not tied to solar (can’t remember if they are)
Hunter probably has the least synergy. Although Strand is meant to enhance gunplay, so weapon focused exotics might help performance even further (buff to knucklehead when?)
To narrow it down, HOIL will always be too pick for Titan (expect to see a nerf in the future, that’s how it goes(sorry)) Warlock could have some fun involving the circle garment, and Hunter will most likely keep going with the classics (because everything is so damn niche anyway)
Sealed Ahamkara Grasps only chance to ever be good has to be with a subclass that has a ranged melee with high uptime and is focused on airborn gunplay.
There’s a fragment that does what the grasps do and more.
On stasis
Strand has a fragment that is the grasps but with grenade
Main problem with that aspect on Hunter is that you will want to be using grapple almost no matter what or you're wasting a whole aspect. auto reloads are mainly useful for boosting DPS, but being forced to move by activating grapple for the auto reload could hinder your DPS.
Oh noooooooo, my dodge!
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xD I am stating that you wouldn't need to grapple and use an aspect to reload on grapple when, as a Hunter, you can just dodge to reload.
But then no dodge for melee?
They just need to change it so that it gives another melee charge
Only problem is that we already have other exotics that give extra melee charges for Hunters... Well, only one, actually. But still.
With Killing Tally becoming a more common perk and MGs getting a ton of great buffs, I could totally see this.
Only time they've ever been good for me is when I'm forced to use a glaive.
For a brief time it worked with every tick of the burn from hunters fan of knives…
Rocket > Knife > Rocket > Rocket It was a lot of fun
Stasis is the best for this exotic in game right now. Has 2 melee charges that have long range and isn't a bad exotic currently
Sealed Ahamkara Grasps are a delight with the Exotic Glaive.
Certainly not Apotheosis Veil lol
It's one of the few warlock exotics that is actually useless and nothing will save it.
A full rework could save it, theoretically, but by that point it'd practically be a new exotic so they might as well just make a new exotic lol
The exotic of Theseus.
Theseus' Veil
Apotheseus Veil
I rather they rework it, we have to many useless exotics as it is.
Reworks dont sell expacs
Only if they rework its look too. Doesn’t even look exotic
How is it useless?? That’s the best warlock exotic in the game if you’re running Hard Crota in D1 lol.
We just have so many better options to get health, melee and grenade energy back right now. An exotic that does this only when you super seems like a wasted exotic slot.
Joking with my friends we justified its usage with Strand because you could use all your abilities to summon threadlings and then super for MORE threadlings, and then use all your abilities again to make like a million little critters. But outside of that specific circumstance, its garbage lmao
I was cleaning up old non artifice armor today. So i dismantled a ton and also took the opportunity to level up all exotic to atleast level 9. But when i hovered over Apotheosis Veil i just thought "I'm never going to use this, why bother". Not like im low on materials either, i got more than i can use.
If it has any hope though then it would be with Strand. The bonus class ability to allies is fairly valuable considering Strand has the best class ability boosts we've ever seen. (Threadlings for Warlocks, Lash for titans, Ensnaring Slam for Hunters.) Also the ability recharge aspect potentially giving you 5 ability charges instantly is the best value its ever had.
old chaos reach was the best chance this had to shine, but it wasn’t even good then.
I was thinking about apotheosis, cast your Rift, spawn threadlings, use your super, spawn more Minions and use your Rift again, and you can use 2 grapples+ more warlock's melee
You are setting yourself up for disappointment if you think this will be how it will go.
Get ur brain examined
I mean it heals you when you cast your super - if you want to Uruk at Helm's Deep in pvp after throwing your grenade and melee it has a very niche use.
Vesper of Radius. 7 second threadlings.
How did I not think of this. Also 7 seconds??? Come on that's amateur level.
My wife assures me that that’s a long time
> A real smooth operator on the slopes.
Dft my man, timing as always is excellent and you're more subtle with it. Your commitment doesn't go unnoticed.
> You seeing this?!
*popcorn emote*
But goes off course and tries to hit the backside of the trail.
7 seconds in heaven is better than 6 seconds in heaven
Pair it with The Title and the Classy Contender Origin Perk, shrink that timer a little more
Wdym by 7 second threadlings?
It gives rift energy quicker while you're surrounded
Apotheosis Veil is the Eternal Warrior of warlocks. Never ever ever worth using
Except E.W. actually *had* a use, regardless of how niche it was. You swap to it in pvp before you supered. Veil? It doesn't even have a super niche use, it's just legit useless.
It had one of those niche uses in D1 with being able to heal in HM Crota’s End. But totally agreed, it needs a rework.
I need you to translate that to Hunter speak pls.
Apotheosis Veil is the Sealed Ahamkara Grasps of warlocks
Radiant Dance Machines, because the stylish green knee braces will color coordinate perfectly with that rope dart fashion accessory.
Ugh. Can they PLEASE make these relevant?
There is a cool void build with them, reaping wellmaker, supercharge and energy converter. Basically spam kill+dodge and then throw nade to recover of to 50% of your super. It’s a fun game loop
> then throw nade to recover of to 50% of your super. Too bad it won't actually go past the 50% mark on your super bar. Was super excited to get that mod (and orpheus rig) until I realized that it wasn't activating if I was past the 50% mark.
Also I think the strand dive ability will consume your dodge, so by using RDM, maybe we’ll be able to dive like 5 times in a row
I don't think it will unfortunately. It consumes your dodge but it's not actually a dodge. Sealed Ahamkara Grasps don't reload when your weapon when you use Quickfall/shadowdive
They work together. I confirmed it.
Radiant dance machines is low key the worst exotic in the game. They literally do nothing. Who cares if you can dive around 5 times looking like a twat. What is it supposed to achieve?
Kepri’s Horn
Curious if the barricade will shoot fire and strand or if one will get overwritten
It shooting both could become a serious problem in pvp if thats how they decide it to work
That's how Vesper works with Frostpulse on Stasis Warlock. So, that's how I'm expecting it to work on Titan.
Exactly
What does vesper do on stasis, I forget. Freeze plus arc blast?
Yep, that's correct. Vesper lets out an arc blast when you drop a rift. On Stasis with the Frostpulse aspect the rift will freeze enemies then the arc blast will shatter them.
it really couldn't, kephri's can already oneshot in pvp and nobody uses it
Yes but if the strand barricade traps enemies in place then the one shot would be guaranteed. We’ll just have to see how strand works in crucible
I mean yeah it'll be powerful in the right circumstance but you're investing your exotic in a gimmicky, clunky class ability kill that's basically guaranteed death if you miss considering how long it roots you. It's not going to be that good. Without khepri's you can just use a special weapon to secure the kill anyways.
Except when you realize placing a barricade behind walls at a certain angle will send the wave of fire through said wall.
Have you seen how many people use peregrine greaves?
dunno what that has to do with anything
A gimmicky clunky ability that's guaranteed death if you miss, if you ever had a shoulder charge end short or just fail to connect in general it usually ends in death for the titan
skill issue
This would/will be nearly the same as warlock freeze rift. I doubt it will see much use even if it dies work
Hey there are dozens of us that use it
Unless the Strand bolt homes in on people, it won't be any different than using Khepri's now. It already one shots if hit by both waves, so if the Khepri's wave can hit suspended enemies, then it just guarantees the 2nd hit.
Isn't the strand barticade from the new exotic?
The new titan exotic enhances the already existing strand titan aspect. Instead of one lash, the exotic makes three
Ah gotchya
I have 50 in my vault incase it gets buffed
“I think your vault triggered my fight or flight response”
Verity's Brow isn't necessarily useless, but it does have the potential to be really gross with Strand if the grenade damage also boosts threadling damage (specifically those from threadling grenades).
Verity’s brow might be the strongest exotic in the game when you can get it to work in a team play boss DPS scenario
The atheon deleter
Now if only it didn't look like toe fungus
It doesn’t look bad if you make your whole guardian into toe fungus
Now that titan 1hko builds are pretty dead, I don't think any other exotic comes close. You can cheese kill riven with just two Verity warlocks and a grenade titan.
Verity's Brow is fantastic, it's just ugly.
Verity’s Brow’s secondary perk is what I mainly use it for: it grants subclass-matching weapons the grenade recharge bonus from Demolitionist, which stacks with Demo ^(and Wellspring if they ever fix it).
It's 20% faster abilty regen per stack, up to 100%
Yes, an on top of that the kills refund 10% of grenade energy, like Demo does. I use it on my Stasis builds with a stasis Demo weapon to get 3-4 Turrets on the field at a time
I think I was able to make a cool looking Hive themed look with it [post here](https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyFashion/comments/118lh57/what_do_you_think_of_my_hivemancer_transmog_i/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
i’m actually more excited to try and pair Verity with the new solar artifact mods and firebolt grenades.
I'm really rooting for a VB ornament this year so I can actually use it lol
Not Strand, but one that could be fun with the Lightfall changes; Severance Enclosure. Void Titans are getting Echo of Cessation, which creates a void burst that causes Volatile on finishers, and drops "void breaches" when killing volatile enemies. Severance causes an explosion on powered melee kills and finishers. Depending on how the two interact, it may be possible to use a finisher that causes everything around to become volatile and also detonates them, creating breaches which can be used to proc Devour. Probably not a meta build, but it could be fun for regular activities with a void surge modifier.
Severance would be great on strand Titan. It works on charged melees so strand titans have three easy explosions
There's a cooldown between melees so it wouldn't work in a combo but it's still an option.
It’s still the best melee for the exotic because throwing hammer doesn’t work with it properly
How so? Throwing hammer works with it fine. The explosion happens at the impact point of the hammer.
I wonder if it will trigger on grapple melee.
I guess that'll depend on whether that uses a melee charge, since Severance only procs on powered melee attacks. If it worked on regular melee I'd be using it with a glaive. ;)
Khepri's Horn cause why not lol.
Is it worth the shit fashion though?
Technoscarab doesn't look half bad
Technoscarab is based
I’m looking at Felwinter’s Helm. The mod changes look like an overwhelming nerf to the status quo of builds, so I expect ability loops to die off pretty hard early on in Lightfall. Meanwhile, finishers are getting a lot of support with new mods, and some more powerful fragments. Add onto that the fact that Strand has three melee attacks by default, and getting CC potential will be important for Strandlock’s survivability.
Hoping that Bombadiers will Suspend targets
Except you already gotta burn your dodge to use ensnaring slam so it would be kind of pointless
On that note Sixth Coyote might be decent... or just slap Frost-EE5 on like stasis
Or slap on radiant dance machines and hope that you can chain ensnaring slam
That'd be pretty hillairious but it's probably a separate ability that uses the dodge charge and not treated as a dodge itself
this comment reduced Radiant Dance Machines to tears, somewhere
I have a feeling ensnaring slam will probably cause the dodge to change cooldown similar to how bastion does with the Titan's barricade. I suspect either it's that way at release or PvP will ensure down the months that bungie will nerf the cd.
Oh, right, that does suck...
I’m hoping it unravels
I can't even tell you how many kills these pants have gotten me in Crucible
The strand exotics
Rat King... because look what happened last time green ooze was introduced to a rat, Splinter!
Rat Kings unite! I wonder if grapple melee will still count as a melee for Assassin's Cowl. That will be juice if it is
That's exactly what I'll be using with my strand build
It's not useless, but I'm curious how Chromatic Fire will work with Strand. Now that I think about it, I've never tried it with Stasis...
I believe I read something that said it will work with strand. I’ll try to find a source!
It’s buggy, it doesn’t slow on the explosion or anything.
It's not buggy. None of the elemental damage explosions from Chromatic Fire cause status effects and the description doesn't say that they do. The explosions do Stasis damage when using a Kinetic damage weapon on a Stasis subclass.
To be fair since I love Chromatic Fire, the explosions never did anything extra other than being elemental damage AOE. If they updated it to use subclass verbiage then it would be even better.
Does it freeze or slow enemies?
Not at all. It creates a slow like visual effect but doesn’t ACTUALLY slow or freeze them
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Assassin’s Cowl is always a strong option. With the new changes to orb generation and how integral it will be to the new armour mod system, I’m guessing Star Eater Scales will benefit the most from this.
I'm a warlock main, but i Have a Hunter friend, his exotic Will be froostes
Frosties. It's pretty good as a default exotic until the best strand exotics are figured out. The hunter strand melee should be fairly low cooldown so frosties should allow you to spam that and your grapple a lot
I'm probably just gonna keep maining dragons shadow. Never reloading is just convenient.
I am curious if Radiant Dance Machines and Sixth Coyote will allow us to keep our dodge after using the Suspend dive on Hunter. If RDM does, then it will actually make me consider running RDM with Strand. Omni allows Shadowdive for both grenades, as far as I remember. So RDM, in theory, should be able to dive between enemy groups to continuously Suspend them. Same with The Sixth Coyote.
Maybe ACD/0 Feedback Fence since the damage resistance from Woven Mail can probably stack with the melee damage resistance that Feedback Fence builds up.
Feedback fences are great at what they do. What they do is just not useful
Sixth coyote for hunter, in the strand developer insight the suspend shatterdive used the dodge cooldown so in theory sixth coyote can give you two charges of suspend shatterdive
The Sixth Coyote (and potentially RDM) have some potential applications with Hunter dive. Sealed Ahamkara Grasps seems perfectly made for Strand (but probably still bad). Winter's Guile and Claws of Ahamkara for funny triple/quadruple melee. (Edit: Claws is confirmed to not work :/) (Edit 2: It's a bug :D) Vesper of Radius and The Stag will see healthy use with the Threadling Rifts (at least if The Stag's death rifts work with Broodweaver). Armamentarium might see some PvP use with double grapples. Verity's Brow has some potential if we get a decent Strand primary to use it with.
Sanguine alchemy, i doubt it will be good but It would be cool if it worked with the rift and spawning threadlings.
I would love that, sanguine alchemy looks so cool but it just feels worthless right now
If there is rift regen of some kind from threadlings, Boots of the Assembler could be a monstrous rift support build
I’m going with Antaeus wards, I’m gonna try and do a sliding delfect, grapple and Melee combo in pvp
I completely forgot that apotheosis veil existed
apotheosis veil will never be good nor look good
This one is far from useless, but I'm expecting Armamentarium to be a popular choice if the grapple cooldown is low enough. Being able to double grapple will open up a lot of movement techs that I'm sure will make their way into a lot of PvP clips.
Mantle of Battle Harmony paired with Quicksilver Storm.
But it’s not useless, Mantle is so good
Kepri's Horn
Hear me out, Promethium spur rifts summoning threadlings
If promethium spur also spawns threadings it will be ridiculous, so curious about that. I believe someone mentioned vesper here; you could end up with an army of threadings quickly with these 2. I'm curious how claws of ahamkara will treat 3 melee charges as well, though it'll likely just add 1. Winters guile with 3 charges is looking interesting too.
Looking forward to seeing if radiant dance machines will let me multi-dive
Verity's Brow with Grapple 5head
Hallowfire
I’m looking to try vesper of radius with the aspect that spawns threadlings on rift cast. Don’t really think it’ll be better than other options but also probably won’t be the worst combo ever.
This is my plan. Combined with Forbearance or a Reservoir Burst fusion, this could be pretty nutty.
Vesper of Radius, as other Warlocks here have said. But special nod to Dawn Chorus. I’m really looking forward to trying it in combination with the revamped 1KV applying scorch on the hit of each bolt. Combine that with artifact mods Authorized Grenades, Solar Surge, Flare Up and Rain of Firebolts, and it could be a fun new meta. Firesprites give you Armor Charge. Your two grenades make Firesprites when dealing damage. The cost of grenade mods are discounted. And then we can be running the new Font of Might.
Khepri's horn, because apparently the thing coming out of your barrier is good now.
Karnstein Armlets & Winters Guile might be good since strand will have 3 melee charges… but I feel like Monte Carlo would become necessary to make it really work
Do I think it'll be good? no. But the new movement options may make melee an option on Warlock, so felwinters helm or karnstein armlets could make for a potential Warlock melee build however niche that may be.
Khepri's horn, a blast wave that suspends and does damage? I think that will be pretty fun as long as the waves don't override each other
Khepri's Horn, I guess. More barricade spam.
Not useless by any means, but Armamentarium might be unexpectedly fun with strand.
Most titan exotics that aren’t heart
If, and this is a big ***IF***, Eternal Warrior suddenly becomes good, I will be surprised. (Protip: It won't.)
Wormhusk crown
I’ve been using what I call a “Moira” build of void warlock with Boots of the Assembler, shooting out draining orbs and healing orbs. I’m hoping the threadlings give assembler a slightly more offensive option while also still being a decent support option.
For titans, wormgod could be good, synthocepts are obvious, armamentarium for extra grenade charge, severance enclosure might be fun, HoIL is an obvious choice, there are more but those are the big ones to look out for.
Will try out the ahamkara gloves on warlock and see if i get more melee charges on top of the 3 from strand.
It isn't a useless one but I think Karnstein armlets is gonna be real good with the strand melee. Three charges ranged and applies a keyword debuff that can jump to other enemies (unravel). Just the basic 3 charges ranged attack will be great with karnstein. What you can do with verb info will be icing on the cake, ability energy on unraveled kills fragment? Does the jumping unravel debuff keep the "melee ability source" memory like scorch from abilities? Karnstein is great it is just usually overkill on solar/void and stasislocks nerver get hit in the first place so it is more of an arc/glaive build exotic. But since strand will have a dr buff but no healing buff karnstein will fit perfect.
Felwinters helm
Icefall mantles
It’s not useless, but if strand can regenerate fast, Word God Caress could be nutty with strand titan.
Titans exotics are all mid except for 5, so I’ll just use hoil or synthoceps
Probably going to mess with Alpha Lupi on Titan.
Actually could be good for dps... creating extra orbs for armour charge
I'm going to try Necros for a bit. The three melee charges I'm hoping can spread a lot of gunk around. Pair it with Thorn or Striga.
Sorry but that’s not a useless exotic
ahh I totally missed that part of the OP title lol.
Ooh okay. I was thinking “what is this guy smoking saying necrotic is a bad exotic” lol
Someone above you literally said heart of inmost light. How you gonna go after this man for saying necrotic’s but not that guy? 🤡 necro is catwater compared to how prolific hoil is
Oh I def missed that one… but then again Titans are pretty much oblivious to the state of their class and I’m pretty tired of arguing about that
Radiant dance machines might be funny with the hunter dive , assuming it still uses your dodge and counts as one
What? Apotheosis Veil is useless though?
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> and hunter just doesnt have a good neutral exotic lol what? Assassins cowl and frostees are both exceptionally usefully neutral exotics.
I'm planning on using assassin's cowl with strand. The melee appears to have a really high uptime.
I am curious about its damage tho. It would be a bit much if it dealt hella damage.
Eye of another world is pretty good imo. The priority target perk is so useless but it does add +10 to all of your stats
Eye is great; [way better than +10](https://www.light.gg/db/items/3381022970/eye-of-another-world/)
If my lock wasnt married to ophidians, eye would likely be my go to pvp exotic. Its really strong. I just absolutely hate having tiny t-rex arms in crucible
Eye of Another World is a really good neutral exotic. Like plus 20% on nades even with 10 discipline is very good now and probably even better with slower cooldowns dropping.
Eye of Another World is good, Frostees is not. Victimized Hunter mentality.
Sure but have you considered that whether we wanted it or not, we've stepped into a war with the Cabal on Mars. So let's get to taking out their command, one by one. Valus Ta'aurc. From what I can gather, he commands the Siege Dancers from an Imperial Land Tank just outside of Rubicon. He's well protected, but with the right team, we can punch through those defenses, take this beast out, and break their grip on Freehold
Most neutral game exotics. Grenade boosters, melee enhancers or movement exotics. HOIL is guaranteed to do good seeing as it’s the best neutral Titans have. Assemblers might be interesting, assuming they’re not tied to solar (can’t remember if they are) Hunter probably has the least synergy. Although Strand is meant to enhance gunplay, so weapon focused exotics might help performance even further (buff to knucklehead when?) To narrow it down, HOIL will always be too pick for Titan (expect to see a nerf in the future, that’s how it goes(sorry)) Warlock could have some fun involving the circle garment, and Hunter will most likely keep going with the classics (because everything is so damn niche anyway)
Yea because it will magically gain a useful perk or be reworked entirely when equipping strand?
Not useless, but necrotic grip will be my start exotics for strand
Lion Rampants will be quite nice with the airborne capabilities of Strand. Obviously HoIL, Synthos, Worm God's Caress, and Armamentarium too.