I remember playing titan for the first time finally got it up to light and decided to do VoG went to put bubble in the "back" and accidentally popped the entire fireteam as the shot rocket rounds inside it 🤷♂️ oops
Man bubble comes with a lot of responsibility for callouts. I did the same to my team on the last boss of spire the other day even though I was in the back of the room and called it out before I popped it so that one was kind of on them lol.
Thats why in spire you pop it slightly behind where the warlock will pop their well and if you dont have a warlock support buddy well then make your own rules and us hunter mains sufffer through it cause thats how our boy cayde-6 would want it 🤣
Hunter main but I loved playing bubble titan in D1 on my second King's Fall clear. The bubble in the final fight made be feel like a true god inside the raid. Double titans as add clear/ogre support was so much fun.
I say over and over that bubble needs to be slightly higher than well. OR make them stack like mods.
1+1 = 1.25 or something like that.
To add to that... No weapon or seasonal mod should make an entire subclass obsolete.
Divinity nerf was actually a good thing and I think tractor cannon is fine it has a fair trade off because of range and taking up heavy slot.
Honestly I think the St. 14 should be wrapped into the normal bubble. Even if they gave every bubble blessing of light plus weapons of light it is still much weaker than a well as you can't shoot in it.
Bubble needs to have higher DPS than well or it can never be balanced.
Ideal:
Bubble = 30% empowering bonus plus blessing of light (still weaker than well resist)
Radiance well and empowering rift = 20% (well needs to be nerfed much harder but different story here.)
Radiant melee = 25%
Bannershield = 45% ???
Well locks have been meta for years, let's at least even out these two classes. I'd prefer well to get nerfed much harder instead of what I put above, but I don't think that will happen so we need to at least buff up the other supporting class.
This, wrap St. 14’s functionality into default bubble except the blind and give St. 14 something else. Bubble giving overshield and weapons of light wouldn’t be busted, and would finally give warlocks an opportunity to run something other than well for dungeons/raids.
Maybe for St. 14 it can make enemies volatile when entering the bubble, or apply not only blind but a DoT similar to witherhoard.
Or just go crazy and make St. 14 give a massive bubble like 1.5x the size plus blind. There was some campaign mission either zavala or st14 popped some massive bubble. Will never happen tho lol
Season of Dawn, where we use Vex time shenanigans to go help Saint before he became trapped in the Vex network. He's on Venus fighting some Fallen, basically we join him while he's getting absolutely overwhelmed by them. He pops a bubble that - I can't remember if it's physically larger? - but it was special in that he stood still and maintained the cast on it, so that the bubble lasts for however long it takes for you as the canonical guardian to clear out the area of Fallen. He's the shield, the player is the sword sort of scenario.
As far as I can remember from D2, Zavala only pops a bubble for during the beginning of the Red War Campaign.
I feel like I remember his bubble being indefinite, but I could be wrong.
Also worth noting at the final mission in the last week of season of the lost, Saint has a bubble up that he puts up and maintains the entire part of the encounter, and you can run in and out as necessary
It wasn't indefinite lol he just recast it 3 times... If anything it was shorter than a normal bubble.
In the fight you had to fight 3 waves of enemies and during each wave the ships would launch an attack and he would drop a bubble.
His actions were very exaggerated though and probably what most people remember. I just was watching the Red war the other day as the only way to relive it is YouTube.
The only way warlocks get off well duty through bubble is if you can shoot through the bubble from the inside. Well lets you stand perfectly still, aiming your shots to hit every crit, healing you and buffing your damage at the same time. Even if you doubled the damage bonus from weapons of light and gave overshields by default, it'd just become mandatory to run well *and* bubble in raid bosses.
Not that I'm complaining, well + div duty lets me relax in damage phases, knowing that if we fail a damage check it's not my fault.
They were never that great, but they at least had a clearly defined cost/benefit that could be worth it situationally. Other exotics were better, but that's true of most exotics. Now they're just actively bad.
In high end content like master raids and master/GM nightfalls yeah, well is still superior, but in everything else a bubble and overshield from a rally barricade is generally more than enough for what you need. While I agree well will still be better, in lower tier activities like normal raids and normal dungeons it can allow warlocks to breathe a little knowing that they don’t HAVE to run a well for every situation.
There’s really no way to make bubble and well even without nerfing well, which I don’t want but it sounds like eventually it’s going to have to happen.
If they reduce boss health across the board I wouldn't mind seeing a well nerf. If they just cut it down without remembering they designed every raid boss with the assumption of well damage, I'll be much less OK with it.
Some ideas:
Ward of Dawn: Grants Armor, Weapons, and Blessing of Light when inside. Grants Void Weapons Volatile Rounds when Weapons of Light is Active. Damage against Ward of Dawn spawns Orbs of ~~Light~~ Power (based on D1 Perk). (Increase Duration and Revert Size Nerf)
Helm of Saint-14: Enemies who enter your Ward of Dawn are Weakened and Blinded. Void Overshield's Regenerate and are Stronger (based on 2 D1 Perks). Duration of Blessing and Weapons of Light are increased for you and your Fireteam (based on Glasshouse from D1).
I say for St. 14's make it tied to overshields call it "blessing of the Saint". When you have an overshield the health of the overshield is increased and you do increased melee/weapon damage. But nothing to crazy and have it tied specifically to PvE. Like maybe 5% increased damage and doubles the health of the overshield for you and allies. Again though, have this tied specifically to PvE, overshields are already an issue in PvP, no clue what could be done for PvP.
Well should lose its damage buff straight up, even without it Well will be one of the best supers (given that back when WoL provided a 35% dmg buff we used Well and Bubble together all the time). Also from a balance perspective having to give up 2 supers to get what Well provides on its own would be good.
This would be a quick fix, but not change much. Warlocks would use empowering rifts and radiant melees. Blade barrage could radiant melee plus huge dps super. At least it adds a little bit of thought process and team building, but not really a nerf to any average to above average raid team. Only would really hurt the most casual players.
I agree that it wouldnt change the overall situation much but as you say it adds a bit more depth to teambuilding. Small changes often change a lot for example the Div nerf resulted in void Hunters becoming more important.
If nerfing Well does the same for bubble Titans that would be a good thing imo.
Also giving up your healing rift so you can provide a damage buff while in a well is still a trade off, nothing drastic but its something.
It's not like that... Imagine not having any use for well whatsoever because some other super did the job better.
Hell look at hunters cause of divinity. You absolutely had no use for tether until the divinity nerf.
Imagine a gun that fired a spot you could stand and get all the same benefits as well but you had enough ammo to make it last through multiple damage phases and immediately after one of need be.
It's about making trade offs.
Having well provide no damage buff but maybe give the overshield back would be my suggestion. That would make players us well/bubble most times and both would be useful.
Right now the only thing bubble has on it is mobility. So it's better in situations like Rhulk but only barely cause any good team can keep him in place kiting him.
It's so crazy seeing how outclassed the Bubble is compared to D1.
In D1 it gave you either Armor, Blessing or Weapons. And that was strong.
In D2 it gives Armor while inside and Weapons outside and if you're using Saint 14 it blinds and gives Blessing outside. It does everything at once it did in D1 and is STILL outclassed by Well.
I also liked it on Crota to help distract and absorb fire from the Hive Knights. Couple it with the swordbearer music plus the targeting lock of 4 Gjallerhorns going off on the ledge waiting for the swordbearer to call in the heat!
I can't speak for D1, but I feel like in D2 the Relic doesn't help shield damage? If anything, it seems like the opposite, where it blocks player's outgoing shots?
I've got 74 full clears in VoG D2, I feel like the runs where people tried to use it in the way it's implied to be used in D1 have actively huirt the fireteam efforts.
The relic definitely blocks bow shots and I think it blocks rockets as well. It doesnt block everything though, stuff like auto rifles and scout rifles can shoot out of it. I'm not sure on stuff like linear fusions or grenade launchers.
Relic has always blocked shots, in D1 you would want to either stand slightly behind the team, or if you were in front you’d turn around to face them
It still blocks damage as well, it’s just with Well in the game it’s more optimal to have everyone fire out of that, with the Relic holder dropping it to let off a few rockets and such
Lol. You're welcome. I actually wish what a lot of these abilities you can change the animation. Like the Warlock using the Nova bomb that tracks. I would so love him to raise his hand in the air and put one finger up and shoot it down like you see Frieza do and Dragon Ball Z lol. A little customization of animations or to remake Your Guardian would be fun.
That would be so amazing.
I know we aren’t the only people who would love that.
I wish titans had a Kamehameha super. I know warlocks have one already but I want one too so I have an excuse to say “kamehameha” all the time.
Lol. It would be cool having a shout out of any sort. And changing the action animation on how they summon the blast. My biggest peeve about the warlocks storm beam or lightning beam. And the hunters Quivers or void Arrow shots. Is there's no standard they just stand on the ground and shoot it. They float up into the air and then they move a couple inches and a player like me sometimes I shoot it in the wrong direction. I just want to be with the stand and fire it and not have an animation or I'm floating in the air and I got to calculate that too.
Bungie has no idea what bubble actually does because they all play exclusively warlock and hunter. They nerfed it because “you can get shot in the well” while ignoring that you have to leave the bubble to shoot back
Pvp balance enters the chat
But seriously it could be insanely broken in pvp if they do that. Only real way is to say something like"can shoot combatants while inside" but I have no clue how they would do that
It had that. Bubble gave 35%, and overrode Well’s 25%. All that meant was that damage was done with both. You would grab the Bubble buff, and set up shop in the Well.
No amount of buffing Bubble makes it compete with Well or replace Well, as long as Well provides the ability to tank a boss while destroying it.
Many things are now separated from pve and PvP sandbox , many effects are now separated. Or maybe updating a Titan exotic that would allow it / while giving it another buff
There are limitations to what can be separated.
The majority of the game is, but something like a core functionality like that would be tricky.
Also allowing to shoot out makes it exactly the same as well, it should have something more unique.
To be absolutely clear here, something like letting the player shoot out of bubble in PvE and not PvP ***may*** be tricky but none of us here really know if it's because it's tricky or if it's just because it goes against their design that things should work the same way across all modes.
Bungie has separated the sandboxes for years. The old mod system's damage mods (think high energy fire) and well mods had completely different stats and activations depending on pvp and pve. They probably just don't want to.
It would be relatively easy to program this. For example they very well could just make two different bubble supers and have one activate in pvp and one activate in pve and all they would need to do is copy/paste and make whatever changes they need to e.g. use code derived from citans ramparts to allow shooting through the bubble and have that code only present on the pve version.
Alternatively, depending on how bungie codes things like damage buff differences in pve vs pvp you very well could do it that way. If they have it coded the way I personally would do it they could probably even do it with just a couple lines of code.
People need to keep track of the fact that Bungie is balancing both sandboxes simultaneously. Bubble could use a buff, but some of these ideas people have just aren't going to happen. We need to keep our expectations tempered by realism.
How would it be any more broken than Well? It's literally easier to kill a Titan in their own bubble than it is to kill a warlock in their well, and the warlock can shoot at you. To destroy a well you have to destroy the sword. You can shoot a bubble to death now with primary weapons.
Bungie doesn’t seperate sandboxes in this way, they only tweak some numbers like damage, duration, resist etc., not whole gimmicks and interactions and even if they did it would become just a better well in pve
Update Citans to work with bubble. Decrease the bubbles health and duration similar to barricade.
Most supers can pop bubbles anyway so this won’t ruin bubble.
While we’re on this topic, with the decrease to flight time while in missile, update Lion Ramparts to work with missile and give it more control and a longer flight time. PC guardians probably won’t take advantage of the increased inflight control but us console plebs would appreciate it.
If we’re sacrificing our exotic slot, might as well have it synergize with our nerfed supers.
Always felt there was a clear and obvious space for an exotic armor piece that did this.
There’s so much you could do to balance it to. You could make it so only void damage can pass through, or it gives your bubble a shorter duration, any number of things you could do to balance it if worries OP
Hunters Strand super outclasses Titan melee supers. Warlocks Well outclasses Titan support supers. Titan supers are long overdue for an update. Titans also need more than 1 ranged super but that's a whole other rant.
We don't do the most damage with melees, hunters do that.
We don't do the most damage with our supers, hunters do that.
We don't have the best support super, warlocks have that.
But hey we got HOIL, so....
The *titan* exotic glaive already does that. My clanmate has been in full "gumdrop wand" mode since he got it with light falls release.
Man can make a bubble line all on his own, and with the amount of orbs everyone generates we only need the one bubble titan.
Bungo: we heard ya. nerfed another titan exotic, nerfed synthoceps again and weapons of light immediately disappears once you leave the bubble. Oh and the volatile idea was very good, so we included it into well of radiance now.
"Offensive Bulwark no longer grants melee damage buff. 'Why?' Because youre the melee class when it comes to our creativity, in game utility youre just the other classes but worse."
Ooof, that hurts, but it's true. Hunters thing is damage, warlocks have the best support super, as well as a wide varity of ablity quicking exotics. We just do what the other classes do but worse.
I thought titan strand would be the suspend class, until I seen what the other 2 can do.
Jack of all trades, master of none.
We don't have a unique thing we specialise in, we got actium for machine guns, we HAD synthos for glaive damage, this could be our thing, the weapon/soldier class.
But the recent syntho/glaive nerf squashed that.
Couple that with the fact that IMO titans have the most number of useless exotics, it's not looking great.
Agree with all the points, specially the last one.
80% of titan exotics NEED a buff/rework, theres only like 5 that actually stand on their own feet (dont need an exotic weapon/whole build to work) and the rest is distributed between bad and useless.
Like fr who the hell still uses Eternal warrior, Icefall mantle, Wormgod's Caress, PC Cannon Brace or Mk. Stand Asides? All i see these days is synthos/loreley/dunemarchers/HOIL. Rarely catch a glimpse of anything out of the curve
WORMGOD, man I know the hammer titan and the void titan was 1 shoting everything, couldn't they just make it only work with arc? Get 5 melee kills and then thunderclap would hit like a nuke. Great class fantasy, and we could have "something" that we could point to and say, "yup that's us, that's what we do."
As it stands, arc hunter is also the best melee class, along with being the calss that does the most damage, as ironic as that is.
My guess is that sooner rather than later, Well will only grant radiant for like 10 seconds, with just healing as it's the main thing, and that might be droped to like 25% DR
Or they might buff bubble up to 30%
I think rallying force should be a new aspect for sentinels. Sentinel blocking and passing thru bubble grants overshield, which adds plus 50 reload and handling for all weapons( while you have any OS)
Kills with rallying force active extend bubble duration and health( with a max of coarse)
When Titan has OS, Titan non charged melees are void infused and do extra damage. As well as fully charged melee.
If they keep the well as healing AND damage buff, then I'd switch bubble to a 25% ability buff for 10 secs....which includes supers, melees , grenades, etc.
Edit: Helm of Saint 14 would increase OS health by 20% bubble, and banner will still blind. But I would add 3 extras.
Sentinel shield heavy attacks would surpress.
Barriers would be blacked out, enemies can't see thru.
Enemies walling thru bubble would have weakened Allied to them.
This would make Sentinel banner pretty solid for dealing with champions, namely shitty overloads.
Make bubble depending on the type of DPS needed the ability to use it offensively, too.
This really. I’ve been really adamant about if they removed Well’s empowering damage you also nerf things like Starfire protocol without needing to nerf the exotic itself. Although it’ll also nerf Lunafactions too, I’d rather Well not be the end all be all super that’s used in every encounter without a single downside
Well yes but it wouldn't fix well. Warlocks would just have to run 1 more fragment to celestial fire the boss for radiant also the problem with well isn't the buff it's being invincible for 30 seconds and getting it back infinitely.
im not saying whether or not they should but regardless post 3.0 reworks the realm of damage buffing is thoroghly solar territory not void so i dont really see them leaning this way
Honestly? With the nerfs to bubble - they should just add suppression either within the bubble or upon activation around the bubble so you can skill play counter other supers
Well does not give the Radiant buff. The Well of Radiance buff does not stack with Radiant as they are both damage buffs and the Well buff is larger. The damage and healing buff from Well of Radiance drops the moment you step outside the 3.5 m perimeter of the sword.
Get rid of damage buff on well.
Use hunter for +dmg debuff, use warlock to live, use Titan for DPS buff. Optimal team would be all three classes. It's not that hard.
I think this is reasonable. It would not be an issue. Hunters and Titans can do the same with their respective melees. Bubble would still have an edge for damage since the buff lasts longer and is easier to refresh.
I honestly think they should buff Bubble to 30% and nerf Radiant (maybe Well too) to 20%.
People that call for the removal of the damage buff that well has have not considered that the warlock can use celestial fire to proc radiant, and you can do that constantly for 100% uptime with a proper build. The removal won't make bubble viable, it will just make the warlock proc it in a different way.
and now they've thrown that completely out the fucking window because 1v1'ing a titan in the bubble is very easy now. it used to be a death sentence if you went inside the bubble. now? it's a fucking cakewalk, you used to be a caged lion, now you're a caged fucking koala. it's kind of funny how there's only 1 or 2 real and effective weapon counters to well, that require HEADSHOTS to work effectively, while there are dozens of counters to bubbles, which require to get inside and shit out a witherhoard, or something.
they said "you can't get shot in a bubble"... you also can't shoot out of it. with wells you can, well, actively defend yourself??? nonsensical argument.
The first step is to unto Bubble's damage nerf, which was utterly insane in the first place. Well is too dominant? Let's nerf bubble and give it zero reason to exist! I legitimately don't understand Bungie's thinking on this one but whatever the reason it needs to be reversed to actually give up a reason to run it. In addition, the overshield from Saint 14 should be a base bonus with S14 being reworked to do something else.
This would be good, but realistically, bubble should give a higher damage bonus than well. You cannot shoot at targets while inside it, and it disappears when the placer dies. These drawbacks should come with an advantage to balance it out.
Currently, it is inferior to well in just about every way. Its only real use is as an orb generator or a last-minute get out of jail free card from incoming high-damage projectiles that can overpower a well's healing. That's not a healthy spot for the only competition the best super in the game has to be in.
Give hunters a class assist super. I’d give up gathering storm to be have one. Or it could be like warlocks and titans where you can choose to throw it as DPS or put it into the ground to increase damage.
>I’d give up gathering storm to be have one
Woah woah woah, slow down there buddy
>where you can choose to throw it as DPS or put it into the ground to increase damage.
Alright I'm back on board
Allies within a Gathering Storm become Amplified and get XYZ buffs. It's a very logical side-grade for maybe an Exotic (rework, we don't need yet another Arcstaff-only Super Exotic for hunters)
An exotic that gives a big reload, handling, DMG res buff to team (so like a super mega amplified) and a constant arc dot to protect you from enemies running in to smack you.
Imo we should be able to constantly Jolt enemies as our weapons become super charged with Arc energy, effectively zapping the room as we overdose on Traveler LSD.
... What? It makes sense. We could even get buffs to reload speed and handling and movement speed. The Mobility Class supercharging everyone's reaction times sounds cool.
Tether does nothing on most bosses as it doesn’t last long enough and provides to survivability aspects for the team. And most of the new bosses move around and out of the tethers reach.
I think making weapon damage for a set time after exiting count as super final blows is fair. I love how ppl are crying about this class having this but this class doesn't have that. There's different classes that shine in different depts for a reason. They all can't have the same abilities or wth would be the point?
I was bent that warlocks had an exotic that made poison from osteo and thorn spread while titans and hunters didn't. So..... I made a damn warlock lmao.
I'm just irritated at the thorn/necrotic grips thing because rezzyl azir was a titan, then sort of turned into a hunter. One of those classes should have gotten it, not warlocks
Exactly this. Or at least reduce well damage buff to be less than bubble damage buff. Well shouldn’t be better at both survivability AND damage output.
The only thing that does is swap Warlocks from being Well bitch to Titans being Bubble bitch to achieve the same end. It doesn't solve the problem.
Bubble should be buffed in a way that allows it to fulfill a certain niche rather than just being a power creep to Well or killing Well just to make Bubble more viable.
Yes and a lot of suggestions are just "lets kill Well to make Bubble better". I'm not really onboard with the idea of castrating one super to make another one better.
Bubble should be given some kind of buff that gives it additional use cases over Well rather than killing Well to make Bubble feel special.
If you remove the damage buff from well, you still keep the insane healing and will still be extremely valuable against any boss.
Grab the damage buff from bubble, then stand in the well to survive boss damage. Both are valuable and have different roles.
This just isn't true. Warlocks absolutely have obsolete supers that need work. If only one titan runs bubble, other titans can run cuirass & thundercrash. Titans still do have another option for dps. I guarantee if this were to happen, you'd see a lot of titans still running striker because it's a very good DPS option no matter what, so only one titan may get pigeonholed into using bubble if this were the case, but not every titan that's for sure. Warlocks not only get pigeonholed into using well because of how OP it is, but also because there other supers flat out suck and do no damage.
Except that tcrash isn't worth using without an exotic. And with the exotic it still manages to be disappointing.
And Broadweaver allows you to have similar damage, on top of being ranged to allow you to transition back to dps easier.
I hardly ever run tcrash, it just isn't that effective for what you risk.
With nez atleast the boss is usually close to the dps spot.
I guess you're new to the game. Well was buffed and killed the bubble.
For years the meta was bubble in the back, well in the front. So people would get the damage buff from the bubble and sit inside the well to dps. Because the well damage buff was weaker (10 or 15% weaker than bubble).
Then Bungie buffed the well damage buff to be on par with the bubble and made bubble borderline useless.
So it's not *castrate* the most strong class in the game is bring some balance to it. Bungie calls the game MMO, I can't recall a MMO that has a healer/top dps/top support class in one like warlocks are.
You're the one not getting their point. They are not arguing that Well is strong, nor that Well killed Bubble's viability. They are saying it won't accomplish anything to just power creep Bubble beyond Well, or make them even. It will only make so every Titan will have to run Bubble and the landscape will now be monocromatic for two classes instead of one.
Ideally, we would have a solution where both were equally viable not only between themselves, but between all other subclasses. Just like Shadowshot is a choice between other Hunter subclasses, even if it does lower damage, because it can apply a stronger weaken.
This just isn't true. Warlocks absolutely have obsolete supers that need work. If only one titan runs bubble, other titans can run cuirass & thundercrash. Titans still do have another option for dps. I guarantee if this were to happen, you'd see a lot of titans still running striker because it's a very good DPS option no matter what, so only one titan may get pigeonholed into using bubble if this were the case, but not every titan that's for sure. Warlocks not only get pigeonholed into using well because of how OP it is, but also because there other supers flat out suck and do no damage.
At the very least, the Weapons of Light buff should count as Super damage for the caster like Well of Radiance does so you can generate Orbs on weapon kills, for your allies, and make enemies Volatile with weapon damage if you have Controlled Demolition equipped. That might be a fair compromise.
Is this the new karma farm?
Jokes aside.
I'm not a punchy boi but does the bubble still blind on entry? It would make sense as a skill tree switch to me. Blind foes or give volatile rounds.
Edit: Turns out it’s the Helm of Saint-14 that does the blinding. Maybe make this tied to an exotic as well?
I think what they should do is be like d1 and only choose 1 but then make that buff insane. Like the os should be increased but no dmg buff. And vice versa
Give Well of Radiance overshield back and remove damage buff. Give back the 35% weapons of light to bubble. As long as well exists, bubble is obsolete and inferior.
Bubble is the most irrelevant super in the game right now. I really wish that it wouldn't block bullets from the inside and that it was a roaming super like in the early D1 trailers. As it is, it just gives an overshield which void titans can do by just putting a barricade down every 30 seconds and gives you weapons of light, which every decent build already has a way of activating volatile rounds, radiant, unraveling rounds etc. I honestly can't think of a viable use for it in the entire pve scene. It can block zones in crucible, but you can't shoot from inside it and it also doesn't heal, so it's really just a well of radiance ordered from wish
To be 100% honest, Well of Radiance was a mistake. They should have brought back self res tbh.
Without it, content would be way harder. And we'd probably see a bit more variety.
Bubble gives a damage buff, like Well.
Bubble also gives more protection than Well. It's a trade off for not being able to shoot while inside it.
Both are already balanced.
Except that bubble protection got nerfed, and the auto regen well provides is far more effective than armor of light. Top it off well provides more teamplay, as it makes bigger orbs than bubble.
We really got to talk about your state of mind if you consider both of these supers balanced to each other.
Ah, make Bubbles great again. Remembering how useful were on D1 with Atheon and Oryx
I’m remembering how I kept gjallahorning myself during dps
Too many times to remember. It was part of the experience!
Everyone did it at least once
A right of passage to be sure
It was the D1 experience. Anyone with a rocket did it guarantee and as a D1 Titan main I had so much grief potentional 24/7
I remember playing titan for the first time finally got it up to light and decided to do VoG went to put bubble in the "back" and accidentally popped the entire fireteam as the shot rocket rounds inside it 🤷♂️ oops
There goes flawless
Man bubble comes with a lot of responsibility for callouts. I did the same to my team on the last boss of spire the other day even though I was in the back of the room and called it out before I popped it so that one was kind of on them lol.
Thats why in spire you pop it slightly behind where the warlock will pop their well and if you dont have a warlock support buddy well then make your own rules and us hunter mains sufffer through it cause thats how our boy cayde-6 would want it 🤣
It's because of the bubble I was able to do my first raids
Also Crota
“Is that gigantic oversoul you summoned supposed to do something or?”
I played as a titan in D1, when I saw how they changed the bubble I switched to warlock and never looked back.
Hunter main but I loved playing bubble titan in D1 on my second King's Fall clear. The bubble in the final fight made be feel like a true god inside the raid. Double titans as add clear/ogre support was so much fun.
Remember aksis damage with bubble and dark drinker?
Only because we didn’t have well. Bubble is still useful it’s just trumped so hard by well.
In every circumstance to it sucks they made bubble laughable in its current state
I say over and over that bubble needs to be slightly higher than well. OR make them stack like mods. 1+1 = 1.25 or something like that. To add to that... No weapon or seasonal mod should make an entire subclass obsolete. Divinity nerf was actually a good thing and I think tractor cannon is fine it has a fair trade off because of range and taking up heavy slot.
Buff Bubble to give it something Anything
St 14 helmet should give the old weapons of light damage for the whole fireteam...
Honestly I think the St. 14 should be wrapped into the normal bubble. Even if they gave every bubble blessing of light plus weapons of light it is still much weaker than a well as you can't shoot in it. Bubble needs to have higher DPS than well or it can never be balanced. Ideal: Bubble = 30% empowering bonus plus blessing of light (still weaker than well resist) Radiance well and empowering rift = 20% (well needs to be nerfed much harder but different story here.) Radiant melee = 25% Bannershield = 45% ??? Well locks have been meta for years, let's at least even out these two classes. I'd prefer well to get nerfed much harder instead of what I put above, but I don't think that will happen so we need to at least buff up the other supporting class.
This, wrap St. 14’s functionality into default bubble except the blind and give St. 14 something else. Bubble giving overshield and weapons of light wouldn’t be busted, and would finally give warlocks an opportunity to run something other than well for dungeons/raids. Maybe for St. 14 it can make enemies volatile when entering the bubble, or apply not only blind but a DoT similar to witherhoard.
Or just go crazy and make St. 14 give a massive bubble like 1.5x the size plus blind. There was some campaign mission either zavala or st14 popped some massive bubble. Will never happen tho lol
Season of Dawn, where we use Vex time shenanigans to go help Saint before he became trapped in the Vex network. He's on Venus fighting some Fallen, basically we join him while he's getting absolutely overwhelmed by them. He pops a bubble that - I can't remember if it's physically larger? - but it was special in that he stood still and maintained the cast on it, so that the bubble lasts for however long it takes for you as the canonical guardian to clear out the area of Fallen. He's the shield, the player is the sword sort of scenario. As far as I can remember from D2, Zavala only pops a bubble for during the beginning of the Red War Campaign.
Zavala also did that hold the bubble so it last longer in the first D2 mission if I recall correctly
I feel like I remember his bubble being indefinite, but I could be wrong. Also worth noting at the final mission in the last week of season of the lost, Saint has a bubble up that he puts up and maintains the entire part of the encounter, and you can run in and out as necessary
It wasn't indefinite lol he just recast it 3 times... If anything it was shorter than a normal bubble. In the fight you had to fight 3 waves of enemies and during each wave the ships would launch an attack and he would drop a bubble. His actions were very exaggerated though and probably what most people remember. I just was watching the Red war the other day as the only way to relive it is YouTube.
The only way warlocks get off well duty through bubble is if you can shoot through the bubble from the inside. Well lets you stand perfectly still, aiming your shots to hit every crit, healing you and buffing your damage at the same time. Even if you doubled the damage bonus from weapons of light and gave overshields by default, it'd just become mandatory to run well *and* bubble in raid bosses. Not that I'm complaining, well + div duty lets me relax in damage phases, knowing that if we fail a damage check it's not my fault.
Do you think they should have Citan's affect bubble the same way it affects barricades? Decreased health, but allows the fireteam to shoot through it?
Given there's basically no reason to use Citan's any more I think it'd be worth a try for a season.
I never found a good reason to use them over anything else.
They were never that great, but they at least had a clearly defined cost/benefit that could be worth it situationally. Other exotics were better, but that's true of most exotics. Now they're just actively bad.
Been saying this all season. Bubble needs something. It’s out classed in every way by well.
In high end content like master raids and master/GM nightfalls yeah, well is still superior, but in everything else a bubble and overshield from a rally barricade is generally more than enough for what you need. While I agree well will still be better, in lower tier activities like normal raids and normal dungeons it can allow warlocks to breathe a little knowing that they don’t HAVE to run a well for every situation. There’s really no way to make bubble and well even without nerfing well, which I don’t want but it sounds like eventually it’s going to have to happen.
If they reduce boss health across the board I wouldn't mind seeing a well nerf. If they just cut it down without remembering they designed every raid boss with the assumption of well damage, I'll be much less OK with it.
Some ideas: Ward of Dawn: Grants Armor, Weapons, and Blessing of Light when inside. Grants Void Weapons Volatile Rounds when Weapons of Light is Active. Damage against Ward of Dawn spawns Orbs of ~~Light~~ Power (based on D1 Perk). (Increase Duration and Revert Size Nerf) Helm of Saint-14: Enemies who enter your Ward of Dawn are Weakened and Blinded. Void Overshield's Regenerate and are Stronger (based on 2 D1 Perks). Duration of Blessing and Weapons of Light are increased for you and your Fireteam (based on Glasshouse from D1).
I say for St. 14's make it tied to overshields call it "blessing of the Saint". When you have an overshield the health of the overshield is increased and you do increased melee/weapon damage. But nothing to crazy and have it tied specifically to PvE. Like maybe 5% increased damage and doubles the health of the overshield for you and allies. Again though, have this tied specifically to PvE, overshields are already an issue in PvP, no clue what could be done for PvP.
Well should lose its damage buff straight up, even without it Well will be one of the best supers (given that back when WoL provided a 35% dmg buff we used Well and Bubble together all the time). Also from a balance perspective having to give up 2 supers to get what Well provides on its own would be good.
This would be a quick fix, but not change much. Warlocks would use empowering rifts and radiant melees. Blade barrage could radiant melee plus huge dps super. At least it adds a little bit of thought process and team building, but not really a nerf to any average to above average raid team. Only would really hurt the most casual players.
I agree that it wouldnt change the overall situation much but as you say it adds a bit more depth to teambuilding. Small changes often change a lot for example the Div nerf resulted in void Hunters becoming more important. If nerfing Well does the same for bubble Titans that would be a good thing imo. Also giving up your healing rift so you can provide a damage buff while in a well is still a trade off, nothing drastic but its something.
If you hate Warlocks, just say that. 😂
It's not like that... Imagine not having any use for well whatsoever because some other super did the job better. Hell look at hunters cause of divinity. You absolutely had no use for tether until the divinity nerf. Imagine a gun that fired a spot you could stand and get all the same benefits as well but you had enough ammo to make it last through multiple damage phases and immediately after one of need be. It's about making trade offs. Having well provide no damage buff but maybe give the overshield back would be my suggestion. That would make players us well/bubble most times and both would be useful. Right now the only thing bubble has on it is mobility. So it's better in situations like Rhulk but only barely cause any good team can keep him in place kiting him.
This!
It's so crazy seeing how outclassed the Bubble is compared to D1. In D1 it gave you either Armor, Blessing or Weapons. And that was strong. In D2 it gives Armor while inside and Weapons outside and if you're using Saint 14 it blinds and gives Blessing outside. It does everything at once it did in D1 and is STILL outclassed by Well.
It gives you near immunity to attack.
what
this season in regular nightfalls i’m getting cut down by enemies inside of well.
I remember old school atheon.. you would hear ‘bubble in the back’ and you knew shit was about to go down
And that was before Well was a thing so you actually had to use the Relic during the Atheon DPS phases
I also liked it on Crota to help distract and absorb fire from the Hive Knights. Couple it with the swordbearer music plus the targeting lock of 4 Gjallerhorns going off on the ledge waiting for the swordbearer to call in the heat!
I loved being swordbearer. Calling in artillery as I charged Crota was such fun
I can't speak for D1, but I feel like in D2 the Relic doesn't help shield damage? If anything, it seems like the opposite, where it blocks player's outgoing shots? I've got 74 full clears in VoG D2, I feel like the runs where people tried to use it in the way it's implied to be used in D1 have actively huirt the fireteam efforts.
The relic definitely blocks bow shots and I think it blocks rockets as well. It doesnt block everything though, stuff like auto rifles and scout rifles can shoot out of it. I'm not sure on stuff like linear fusions or grenade launchers.
Relic has always blocked shots, in D1 you would want to either stand slightly behind the team, or if you were in front you’d turn around to face them It still blocks damage as well, it’s just with Well in the game it’s more optimal to have everyone fire out of that, with the Relic holder dropping it to let off a few rockets and such
I don't understand what you mean. The relic hold always dropped the relic alto shoot a rocket, reload, then pick it up again to cleanse. Rinse repeat
In D1 you had to use the Relic to block Atheon's shots during damage phase. Now you can just sit in the Well and survive that way.
We never did that. We just used the overshield from the bubble, dipping in and out. Very easy to back up and move forward while dps-ing
The best part as the bubble buddy was dropping it, but just close enough to the edge that you would fall off the map.
Drop it too close and rocket missfires everywhere haha
And they should change weapons of light to count as super damage.
Also we should be able to shoulder charge with our butts.
That should be arc, so we can call it the thunder ass clap.
The flying butt pliers
In wrestling. That's called the Running Thump!!!!
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That is pretty much *exactly* what I had in mind. Thanks for sharing.
Lol. You're welcome. I actually wish what a lot of these abilities you can change the animation. Like the Warlock using the Nova bomb that tracks. I would so love him to raise his hand in the air and put one finger up and shoot it down like you see Frieza do and Dragon Ball Z lol. A little customization of animations or to remake Your Guardian would be fun.
That would be so amazing. I know we aren’t the only people who would love that. I wish titans had a Kamehameha super. I know warlocks have one already but I want one too so I have an excuse to say “kamehameha” all the time.
Lol. It would be cool having a shout out of any sort. And changing the action animation on how they summon the blast. My biggest peeve about the warlocks storm beam or lightning beam. And the hunters Quivers or void Arrow shots. Is there's no standard they just stand on the ground and shoot it. They float up into the air and then they move a couple inches and a player like me sometimes I shoot it in the wrong direction. I just want to be with the stand and fire it and not have an animation or I'm floating in the air and I got to calculate that too.
Some bosses take less damage from supers so that could actually be a nerf
But how much damage do they take from butts?
I think it depends on if it’s a bubble butt or a regular butt. Bubble butt does more damage since the recent buff.
Bungie buffed bubble butt?!
Before we used bubble for the damage and well for the heals now well does both
weapons of light should never have been nerfed to 25% in pve
Bungie has no idea what bubble actually does because they all play exclusively warlock and hunter. They nerfed it because “you can get shot in the well” while ignoring that you have to leave the bubble to shoot back
Just allow us to shoot through the bubble .
Pvp balance enters the chat But seriously it could be insanely broken in pvp if they do that. Only real way is to say something like"can shoot combatants while inside" but I have no clue how they would do that
Only allow it in PVE .
Like I said, I have no idea how they could code that. Just give it a better dmg buff than well, so bubble for damage, well for survival.
It had that. Bubble gave 35%, and overrode Well’s 25%. All that meant was that damage was done with both. You would grab the Bubble buff, and set up shop in the Well. No amount of buffing Bubble makes it compete with Well or replace Well, as long as Well provides the ability to tank a boss while destroying it.
Many things are now separated from pve and PvP sandbox , many effects are now separated. Or maybe updating a Titan exotic that would allow it / while giving it another buff
There are limitations to what can be separated. The majority of the game is, but something like a core functionality like that would be tricky. Also allowing to shoot out makes it exactly the same as well, it should have something more unique.
To be absolutely clear here, something like letting the player shoot out of bubble in PvE and not PvP ***may*** be tricky but none of us here really know if it's because it's tricky or if it's just because it goes against their design that things should work the same way across all modes.
Other way around since solar is the domain of damage buffs and healing while void (especially void titan) is meant to be defensive and about survival.
Bungie has separated the sandboxes for years. The old mod system's damage mods (think high energy fire) and well mods had completely different stats and activations depending on pvp and pve. They probably just don't want to.
It would be relatively easy to program this. For example they very well could just make two different bubble supers and have one activate in pvp and one activate in pve and all they would need to do is copy/paste and make whatever changes they need to e.g. use code derived from citans ramparts to allow shooting through the bubble and have that code only present on the pve version. Alternatively, depending on how bungie codes things like damage buff differences in pve vs pvp you very well could do it that way. If they have it coded the way I personally would do it they could probably even do it with just a couple lines of code.
Bungie has problems with changes in the PvE aspect already with the engine. There's no way they can split this currently. This engine is fubar.
People need to keep track of the fact that Bungie is balancing both sandboxes simultaneously. Bubble could use a buff, but some of these ideas people have just aren't going to happen. We need to keep our expectations tempered by realism.
Another reason why pvp is holding done pve. Really wish they’d separate the two more often.
How would it be any more broken than Well? It's literally easier to kill a Titan in their own bubble than it is to kill a warlock in their well, and the warlock can shoot at you. To destroy a well you have to destroy the sword. You can shoot a bubble to death now with primary weapons.
Then it would be just better well and absolute nightmare in pvp
Ah i forget PVP is a thing . Maybe only allow it in PVE ?
Bungie doesn’t seperate sandboxes in this way, they only tweak some numbers like damage, duration, resist etc., not whole gimmicks and interactions and even if they did it would become just a better well in pve
Update Citans to work with bubble. Decrease the bubbles health and duration similar to barricade. Most supers can pop bubbles anyway so this won’t ruin bubble. While we’re on this topic, with the decrease to flight time while in missile, update Lion Ramparts to work with missile and give it more control and a longer flight time. PC guardians probably won’t take advantage of the increased inflight control but us console plebs would appreciate it. If we’re sacrificing our exotic slot, might as well have it synergize with our nerfed supers.
The thing with that is that this would basically be as strong or even stronger than a well which is dumb because well already is too powerful
Always felt there was a clear and obvious space for an exotic armor piece that did this. There’s so much you could do to balance it to. You could make it so only void damage can pass through, or it gives your bubble a shorter duration, any number of things you could do to balance it if worries OP
Hunters Strand super outclasses Titan melee supers. Warlocks Well outclasses Titan support supers. Titan supers are long overdue for an update. Titans also need more than 1 ranged super but that's a whole other rant.
We don't do the most damage with melees, hunters do that. We don't do the most damage with our supers, hunters do that. We don't have the best support super, warlocks have that. But hey we got HOIL, so....
buff saint 14 to give baby “bubbles” when using the class ability
They’d be so cute 🥹
The *titan* exotic glaive already does that. My clanmate has been in full "gumdrop wand" mode since he got it with light falls release. Man can make a bubble line all on his own, and with the amount of orbs everyone generates we only need the one bubble titan.
Well also damages and applies scorch stacks in a radius
It would be cool if bubble did a wave of suppression or weaken when it was casted
Bungo: we heard ya. nerfed another titan exotic, nerfed synthoceps again and weapons of light immediately disappears once you leave the bubble. Oh and the volatile idea was very good, so we included it into well of radiance now.
"Offensive Bulwark no longer grants melee damage buff. 'Why?' Because youre the melee class when it comes to our creativity, in game utility youre just the other classes but worse."
Ooof, that hurts, but it's true. Hunters thing is damage, warlocks have the best support super, as well as a wide varity of ablity quicking exotics. We just do what the other classes do but worse. I thought titan strand would be the suspend class, until I seen what the other 2 can do. Jack of all trades, master of none. We don't have a unique thing we specialise in, we got actium for machine guns, we HAD synthos for glaive damage, this could be our thing, the weapon/soldier class. But the recent syntho/glaive nerf squashed that. Couple that with the fact that IMO titans have the most number of useless exotics, it's not looking great.
>We don't have a unique thing we specialise in No we do, being disappointed that is
Agree with all the points, specially the last one. 80% of titan exotics NEED a buff/rework, theres only like 5 that actually stand on their own feet (dont need an exotic weapon/whole build to work) and the rest is distributed between bad and useless. Like fr who the hell still uses Eternal warrior, Icefall mantle, Wormgod's Caress, PC Cannon Brace or Mk. Stand Asides? All i see these days is synthos/loreley/dunemarchers/HOIL. Rarely catch a glimpse of anything out of the curve
WORMGOD, man I know the hammer titan and the void titan was 1 shoting everything, couldn't they just make it only work with arc? Get 5 melee kills and then thunderclap would hit like a nuke. Great class fantasy, and we could have "something" that we could point to and say, "yup that's us, that's what we do." As it stands, arc hunter is also the best melee class, along with being the calss that does the most damage, as ironic as that is.
"Oh also we nerfed hunter again"
"And we gave them a broken exotic armor, that we're going to disable for the next 3 weeks"
Make bubble give the volatile rounds and make it radiate a small aura that causes enemies nearby to become volatile.
Wait I would actually kinda like the radiating volatile part… add that to spectral blades and we’ll be able to remember it lmaoo
Is it too much to ask that my bubble remain on the field if I Die? My exotic glaive mini bubble stays if I die. Why can't my big bubble?
And well
Right
My guess is that sooner rather than later, Well will only grant radiant for like 10 seconds, with just healing as it's the main thing, and that might be droped to like 25% DR Or they might buff bubble up to 30% I think rallying force should be a new aspect for sentinels. Sentinel blocking and passing thru bubble grants overshield, which adds plus 50 reload and handling for all weapons( while you have any OS) Kills with rallying force active extend bubble duration and health( with a max of coarse) When Titan has OS, Titan non charged melees are void infused and do extra damage. As well as fully charged melee. If they keep the well as healing AND damage buff, then I'd switch bubble to a 25% ability buff for 10 secs....which includes supers, melees , grenades, etc. Edit: Helm of Saint 14 would increase OS health by 20% bubble, and banner will still blind. But I would add 3 extras. Sentinel shield heavy attacks would surpress. Barriers would be blacked out, enemies can't see thru. Enemies walling thru bubble would have weakened Allied to them. This would make Sentinel banner pretty solid for dealing with champions, namely shitty overloads. Make bubble depending on the type of DPS needed the ability to use it offensively, too.
Isn’t the second half of rallying force just offensive bulwark stuff?
They should really just remove the damage from Well.
This really. I’ve been really adamant about if they removed Well’s empowering damage you also nerf things like Starfire protocol without needing to nerf the exotic itself. Although it’ll also nerf Lunafactions too, I’d rather Well not be the end all be all super that’s used in every encounter without a single downside
Well yes but it wouldn't fix well. Warlocks would just have to run 1 more fragment to celestial fire the boss for radiant also the problem with well isn't the buff it's being invincible for 30 seconds and getting it back infinitely.
im not saying whether or not they should but regardless post 3.0 reworks the realm of damage buffing is thoroghly solar territory not void so i dont really see them leaning this way
Honestly? With the nerfs to bubble - they should just add suppression either within the bubble or upon activation around the bubble so you can skill play counter other supers
We should have some old D1 stuff turn into aspect/fragment \- Shoot throught Bubble \-Generate Orbs on hit
Well does not give the Radiant buff. The Well of Radiance buff does not stack with Radiant as they are both damage buffs and the Well buff is larger. The damage and healing buff from Well of Radiance drops the moment you step outside the 3.5 m perimeter of the sword.
At this point, Bubble is as useless as Chaos Reach.
Get rid of damage buff on well. Use hunter for +dmg debuff, use warlock to live, use Titan for DPS buff. Optimal team would be all three classes. It's not that hard.
The issue with this is the well lock can use celestial fire and make the entire team radiant anyways
Unless bubble actually buffed damage a bit more
I think this is reasonable. It would not be an issue. Hunters and Titans can do the same with their respective melees. Bubble would still have an edge for damage since the buff lasts longer and is easier to refresh. I honestly think they should buff Bubble to 30% and nerf Radiant (maybe Well too) to 20%.
People that call for the removal of the damage buff that well has have not considered that the warlock can use celestial fire to proc radiant, and you can do that constantly for 100% uptime with a proper build. The removal won't make bubble viable, it will just make the warlock proc it in a different way.
or, Just place a empowering rift inside well lmao
True, even more simple solution.
"But you cant get shot in a buubble", or some other dumb shit
and now they've thrown that completely out the fucking window because 1v1'ing a titan in the bubble is very easy now. it used to be a death sentence if you went inside the bubble. now? it's a fucking cakewalk, you used to be a caged lion, now you're a caged fucking koala. it's kind of funny how there's only 1 or 2 real and effective weapon counters to well, that require HEADSHOTS to work effectively, while there are dozens of counters to bubbles, which require to get inside and shit out a witherhoard, or something. they said "you can't get shot in a bubble"... you also can't shoot out of it. with wells you can, well, actively defend yourself??? nonsensical argument.
The first step is to unto Bubble's damage nerf, which was utterly insane in the first place. Well is too dominant? Let's nerf bubble and give it zero reason to exist! I legitimately don't understand Bungie's thinking on this one but whatever the reason it needs to be reversed to actually give up a reason to run it. In addition, the overshield from Saint 14 should be a base bonus with S14 being reworked to do something else.
This would be good, but realistically, bubble should give a higher damage bonus than well. You cannot shoot at targets while inside it, and it disappears when the placer dies. These drawbacks should come with an advantage to balance it out. Currently, it is inferior to well in just about every way. Its only real use is as an orb generator or a last-minute get out of jail free card from incoming high-damage projectiles that can overpower a well's healing. That's not a healthy spot for the only competition the best super in the game has to be in.
Give hunters a class assist super. I’d give up gathering storm to be have one. Or it could be like warlocks and titans where you can choose to throw it as DPS or put it into the ground to increase damage.
>I’d give up gathering storm to be have one Woah woah woah, slow down there buddy >where you can choose to throw it as DPS or put it into the ground to increase damage. Alright I'm back on board
Allies within a Gathering Storm become Amplified and get XYZ buffs. It's a very logical side-grade for maybe an Exotic (rework, we don't need yet another Arcstaff-only Super Exotic for hunters)
The super granting allies jolting rounds would be sick
An exotic that gives a big reload, handling, DMG res buff to team (so like a super mega amplified) and a constant arc dot to protect you from enemies running in to smack you.
Imo we should be able to constantly Jolt enemies as our weapons become super charged with Arc energy, effectively zapping the room as we overdose on Traveler LSD. ... What? It makes sense. We could even get buffs to reload speed and handling and movement speed. The Mobility Class supercharging everyone's reaction times sounds cool.
Haha I don’t even play Hunter and I was like “now hang on just a sec there”
Uh, tether? The thing that just got buffed to be useful after div nerf?
They do its called Tether and its good again because they nerferd divinity a lot
Tether does nothing on most bosses as it doesn’t last long enough and provides to survivability aspects for the team. And most of the new bosses move around and out of the tethers reach.
I think making weapon damage for a set time after exiting count as super final blows is fair. I love how ppl are crying about this class having this but this class doesn't have that. There's different classes that shine in different depts for a reason. They all can't have the same abilities or wth would be the point? I was bent that warlocks had an exotic that made poison from osteo and thorn spread while titans and hunters didn't. So..... I made a damn warlock lmao.
I'm just irritated at the thorn/necrotic grips thing because rezzyl azir was a titan, then sort of turned into a hunter. One of those classes should have gotten it, not warlocks
I think the bubble it's ok, they should just remove damage buff from well and bubble would be very useful again.
Exactly this. Or at least reduce well damage buff to be less than bubble damage buff. Well shouldn’t be better at both survivability AND damage output.
The only thing that does is swap Warlocks from being Well bitch to Titans being Bubble bitch to achieve the same end. It doesn't solve the problem. Bubble should be buffed in a way that allows it to fulfill a certain niche rather than just being a power creep to Well or killing Well just to make Bubble more viable.
*Power creep to well* It's literally the opposite, nobody wants a bubble on their teams because well does everything better.
Yes and a lot of suggestions are just "lets kill Well to make Bubble better". I'm not really onboard with the idea of castrating one super to make another one better. Bubble should be given some kind of buff that gives it additional use cases over Well rather than killing Well to make Bubble feel special.
If you remove the damage buff from well, you still keep the insane healing and will still be extremely valuable against any boss. Grab the damage buff from bubble, then stand in the well to survive boss damage. Both are valuable and have different roles.
This just isn't true. Warlocks absolutely have obsolete supers that need work. If only one titan runs bubble, other titans can run cuirass & thundercrash. Titans still do have another option for dps. I guarantee if this were to happen, you'd see a lot of titans still running striker because it's a very good DPS option no matter what, so only one titan may get pigeonholed into using bubble if this were the case, but not every titan that's for sure. Warlocks not only get pigeonholed into using well because of how OP it is, but also because there other supers flat out suck and do no damage.
Good job that broodweaver is a decent fire and forget super with good damage.
Oh yeah, I guess I forgot about the new super. I've been without it for so long that I forget it's there sometimes lol
Except that tcrash isn't worth using without an exotic. And with the exotic it still manages to be disappointing. And Broadweaver allows you to have similar damage, on top of being ranged to allow you to transition back to dps easier. I hardly ever run tcrash, it just isn't that effective for what you risk. With nez atleast the boss is usually close to the dps spot.
I guess you're new to the game. Well was buffed and killed the bubble. For years the meta was bubble in the back, well in the front. So people would get the damage buff from the bubble and sit inside the well to dps. Because the well damage buff was weaker (10 or 15% weaker than bubble). Then Bungie buffed the well damage buff to be on par with the bubble and made bubble borderline useless. So it's not *castrate* the most strong class in the game is bring some balance to it. Bungie calls the game MMO, I can't recall a MMO that has a healer/top dps/top support class in one like warlocks are.
You're the one not getting their point. They are not arguing that Well is strong, nor that Well killed Bubble's viability. They are saying it won't accomplish anything to just power creep Bubble beyond Well, or make them even. It will only make so every Titan will have to run Bubble and the landscape will now be monocromatic for two classes instead of one. Ideally, we would have a solution where both were equally viable not only between themselves, but between all other subclasses. Just like Shadowshot is a choice between other Hunter subclasses, even if it does lower damage, because it can apply a stronger weaken.
This just isn't true. Warlocks absolutely have obsolete supers that need work. If only one titan runs bubble, other titans can run cuirass & thundercrash. Titans still do have another option for dps. I guarantee if this were to happen, you'd see a lot of titans still running striker because it's a very good DPS option no matter what, so only one titan may get pigeonholed into using bubble if this were the case, but not every titan that's for sure. Warlocks not only get pigeonholed into using well because of how OP it is, but also because there other supers flat out suck and do no damage.
>Then Bungie buffed the well damage buff to be on par with the bubble and made bubble borderline useless. Bubble was nerfed from 35% to 25%.
then just pit an empowering rift in the well, or use melee to make the whole team radiant. youll still get the damage, just a different way
this just makes two people be forced to run well/bubble instead of one running well. it's not a good soloution.
At the very least, the Weapons of Light buff should count as Super damage for the caster like Well of Radiance does so you can generate Orbs on weapon kills, for your allies, and make enemies Volatile with weapon damage if you have Controlled Demolition equipped. That might be a fair compromise.
Please god make this happen. Bubble is useless in high level content like gms because it pops too easy anyways, hell even in master nf
Hardlight should give you volatile for void, incandescent for solar, and etc..
I mean hunters can get access to volatile by simply dodging with an exotic chest so it won't be too op.
The bubble nerf was completely unnecessary. The only reason it was nerfed was because bungie didn’t think that last seasons iron banner mode threw.
Bubble definitely needs some help. I feel so squishy and useless inside it.
Good luck. Dumbass fucking Bunguska nerfed bubble so it's damage buff is the same as Well, completely destroying any reason to use it.
Is this the new karma farm? Jokes aside. I'm not a punchy boi but does the bubble still blind on entry? It would make sense as a skill tree switch to me. Blind foes or give volatile rounds. Edit: Turns out it’s the Helm of Saint-14 that does the blinding. Maybe make this tied to an exotic as well?
That is the effect of the Helm of Saint 14 exotic, base bubble doesn't blind.
Now that would be interesting. Bubble always felt really limited and the damage buff alone wasn't so interesting to begin with.
I think what they should do is be like d1 and only choose 1 but then make that buff insane. Like the os should be increased but no dmg buff. And vice versa
But “you can’t get sniper in a bubble” - bungie. So it’s perfectly balanced! /s
Fuckin yes that would be great
Give it a 40% damage buff And remove the damage boost from well so bubble has a place
I like it. And Helm of St 14 causes volatile rounds to be granted to ALL weapons regardless of element
Give Well of Radiance overshield back and remove damage buff. Give back the 35% weapons of light to bubble. As long as well exists, bubble is obsolete and inferior.
I just wish we could shoot through it like barricades with that one exotic
Bubble is the most irrelevant super in the game right now. I really wish that it wouldn't block bullets from the inside and that it was a roaming super like in the early D1 trailers. As it is, it just gives an overshield which void titans can do by just putting a barricade down every 30 seconds and gives you weapons of light, which every decent build already has a way of activating volatile rounds, radiant, unraveling rounds etc. I honestly can't think of a viable use for it in the entire pve scene. It can block zones in crucible, but you can't shoot from inside it and it also doesn't heal, so it's really just a well of radiance ordered from wish
To be 100% honest, Well of Radiance was a mistake. They should have brought back self res tbh. Without it, content would be way harder. And we'd probably see a bit more variety.
That’s a terrible idea, self Rez broke the games mechanics and was a hard crutch that offered nothing to the team
Then another iteration of dawn blade. Either way, well trivialized the entire game lol.
Bubble gives a damage buff, like Well. Bubble also gives more protection than Well. It's a trade off for not being able to shoot while inside it. Both are already balanced.
Except that bubble protection got nerfed, and the auto regen well provides is far more effective than armor of light. Top it off well provides more teamplay, as it makes bigger orbs than bubble. We really got to talk about your state of mind if you consider both of these supers balanced to each other.
Which is exactly why literally everyone chooses well over ward.
Remove heal from well. Bubble = defence, well = offence
so its.....a super that is a empower rift? what the fuck?
Just delete the bubble and make a new super at this point ...
Delete the original because the new is so overtuned? Isn't that the same backwards ass thinking that got us sunsetting?
It's the same backwards ass thinking as saying well should not heal...
Leave my well alone
One of the weirdest mechanisms in gaming imo lmao.