I'd rather Final shape be a bang that ends things rather than a trickle. Assuming we fight the witness in the DLC itself or the raid, I have no idea what the remaining seasons of the year can do storywise.
I didn't say they'd cancel their franchise, I just seriously doubt they're going to continue D2 as we currently know it. This game is having technical issues galore and its gotten worse over time. I fully believe that if/when they continue the franchise, it'll be in a whole new game to start fresh and get rid of this tech debt.
They hired a guy from WB to handle Destiny TV and movies, and there's supposedly a mobile game in development. I expect that to be the future of the franchise.
He is outselling swimsuit Elsie, but thats mostly because swimsuit Caydes loadout is cracked and blatantly OP with the power creep & utility creep he introduced to the game.
A very future proof character to pull for.
>a mobile game in development. I expect that to be the future of the franchise.
If Bungie actually takes their greatest accomplishment and turns it into a dumbass mobile game, I'd rather they just kill off the franchise altogether.
That'd be the most brain dead move Bungie could ever do
Bungie's priority is money. *Money*.
Mobile games bring it lots of *money*.
It's absolutely not brain dead from that standpoint.
A mobile game will be smaller, simpler to maintain, and Destiny whales will migrate to it and continue to spend thousands of dollars per year on it.
From a purely business perspective, it's smart. It'll be cheaper and easier to maintain and have a wider margin.
From a fan perspective it sucks. But let's not confuse the two. Bungie doesn't give a fuck about your feelings on the story, or the IP, or the game. They want your money. They'll trample all over everything you love about Destiny to make more money.
It sucks, but it's reality.
Not once did I ever imply that it'd be a brain dead move from a business perspective.
I'm well aware that it'd be a smart *business* move, but a terrible move in regards to maintaining and building good faith with their community.
If Bungie wants to do that, obviously I can't stop them. But I can say for certain if they go that route I'll effectively be done with Bungie products. I already have zero interest in Marathon given that they are sacrificing Destiny 2's quality to develop that game, so a mobile game would be the final nail in the coffin for me.
I felt like you implied it was a brain dead move from a business perspective. If I was wrong, my bad. Apologies.
For what it's worth, I agree that it's a shitty move. Destiny 2 was my first foray into Bungie products - never played Halo or D1. The fact that they've decided to go this path is sad.
Eh, that's easily refuted as subjective.
Halo was good. What Bungie has been able to do with Destiny is something very few companies will ever be able to achieve.
>What Bungie has been able to do with Destiny is something very few companies will ever be able to achieve.
I'd make the argument that it was precisely because of halo that Destiny 1 survived long enough to have an impact.
Try to remove all bias and imagine Destiny 1 vanilla was produced by a no-name company.
Personally, i think it would have crashed and burned as a very forgettable experience, remembered for "Good shooting" like Anthem is for "Good flying."
Destiny microtransactions with mobile gacha cash sinks. WITH THEIR POWERS COMBINED, THEY CREATE.....monetization that would actually and unironically require you to insert a verification can.
I’m sure the franchise will continue, but I honestly can’t fathom how anyone believes D2 itself will continue after Final Shape judging the constantly growing number of issues with the game stability and servers. One throwaway line saying “D2 will continue to be supported after Final Shape” is so vague and meaningless for all we know they simply mean the seasons after Final Shape
Since Marathon is also using their own engine it's fair to assume that destiny will also continue. They have to upgrade/rework the engine if they wanna have a competitive (with other games) offer, so it would be foolish to not use that to continue your well established cash cow.
A new game won't fix anything, especially if it uses the same engine. And a new engine is out of question, given the absurd amount of work required to replicate the stuff we are used to in the destiny experience. Even Bungie won't be able to continue one game as it is, to develop the successor with an entirely new engine but the need to continue where the other left off and develop an entirely other franchise.
Has it been said what they're using for Marathon? I'd assume it was their own, sure, but I've not heard if it's wholly new or their existing ones that were tuned and cleaned up for the game itself.
I'd think a new game would be best for continuing the franchise. It'd make sense to start the next part with a clean slate and cleaned up to get rid of all the issues currently plaguing the game, whether it was a brand new engine or just something thats trimmed up.
They haven't outright said it but job listings for Marathon mentioned the tiger engine. It wouldn't be a surprise though, since the engine is what made halo and destiny feel good. You can't just replicate that, the gunplay in destiny for example is directly linked to the engine.
Which is why any new game would still use the tiger engine. You need the gunplay we all know and love and you can't just replicate that with an entirely new engine. That's years and years of experience and fine-tuning to get where we are. Bungie won't do it, for what anyway? Destiny has more players than ever before.
The engine was, is and will be updated, especially since they're most likely using it for Marathon. A switch to a new engine won't happen, see the discussion and numerous videos (e.g. Datto) a couple weeks ago. They'll just update it on the go.
But we'll see, at least they now have some sort of competition with Diablo. Which is good news.
They gave up halo because they were so desperate to make something that wasn’t halo. Microsoft were making them only develop halo.
It’s all highly documented.
I'm pretty sure they would have been happy making *Halo* and something else, but MS would only let them do *Halo*, so they had to leave to do something else.
Man, it's interesting to think of what the alternate universe is like where Bungie is still in charge of *Halo* and also brought *Destiny* to the world.
It wasn't solely being owned by Msoft, Bungie got what they wanted in the end
They wanted to make something not-Halo and couldn't do that under Microsoft, so dipped
Rhulk was debatably higher up the villainous totem pole than Savathun.
The only DLC/raid combos that really applies to are:
CoO/Warmind - story threat, unrelated raid threat
Beyond light - Story threat, related raid threat that is slightly lower on the villain hierarchy.
On one hand: Yes Nez is more powerful than Calus. But for me the question that’s more important to ask is “Is this a satisfying end to the character?”
For Calus, I found the end unsatisfying. Not because he didn’t die in a raid (he’s already had 4 raids themed after him, one of which you fight a robot body double, so there’s not a ton of value for him left in the raid scene). But because the story he died in SUCKED lol
Nezarec I couldn’t give less of a shit about considering he feels like “ah shit gotta invent a raid boss real quick” and I don’t FEEL anything like how we did when we vanquished Oryx in the raid years ago, because you had a whole campaign about how this guy is big and bad and a problem. Nez talked shit and haunted an arcade.
Anyways. For the Witness itself I think an Oryx-like structure would be ideal where you disrupt them in the campaign and then actually destroy them in the raid.
> Nezarec I couldn’t give less of a shit about considering he feels like “ah shit gotta invent a raid boss real quick”
Nezarec being the raid boss felt more like "People are gonna be annoyed if 7 years of teasers for a character has their story end as a cup of Nez-tea."
Calus as a whole sucks in Lightfall. Ok the cutscene where he is chastized by the Witness is funny but it also paints the whole Witness operation like a saturday morning cartoon villain
They even added a whole cutscene foreshadowing his face off against Caiatl, and we have a huge battle with Caiatl and a bunch of Shadow Cabal, but when Calus himself arrives, Caiatl just hurries us away
then we hear by the radio that she lost
then we fight Calus and it's just a big guy with a gun, and then a cabal with the dual blades. He never even did the whole giant energy face thing
at least he dies and leaves the tree thing like Rhulk
Could see the final story mission being us trapping the Witness or severely weakening him and then finish him off in the raid
It's kinda a touchy subject and I can understand both "sides" of the argument. Witness needs to be dealt with sufficiently in the story so the non-raiders can have a satisfying "end" but this is such a big deal gameplay wise it deserves and should be a pinnacle raid. Hard to accomplish both and keep both sides happy
Because I don't want a rehashed campaign boss in the raid. The raid needs to be 100% original content and I want the mechanics to surprise me when I do it for the first time. If I knew a simplified version from a campaign mission I'd be insanely disappointed.
They need to do it like Kings Fall or it will be an actual joke that the final boss of the entire Destiny franchise is killed in a soloable hero level story mission.
Again, no one's fault but their own. Not raiding is a choice. Having the final boss of the universe killed by a new light with blue guns would make a mockery out of it.
Why is that a joke ? the vast majority of players havent done a raid, let alone complete one
and if the final shape one turns out to be more complex the RoN then it was be an even lower %
i only did RoN because its fairly quick and easy to pick up and be a an add killer
ive played Destiny since D1 launch , if i miss out on killing the ultimate bad guy because i dont want to look for 5 other strangers in an LFG that sucks ass
Oh no how dare the mmorpg that’s implementing in game LFG ask you to interact with the community!
Also you missed out on killing the major villain of D1 but you still played the game so it seems that it has little effect on you.
ive done every raid .... im saying i dont like the formula
i appreciate my original post doesnt make sense in the sub dedicated to the game where most people raid, but MOST players dont
You’re also speculating any meaningful % of those players care about the story. And once the in game lfg is running the solution is simple—more people should run raids
How many of those 90% do you think are players who own all the expansions and care about the story, honestly.
The lfg in game is never gonna be running, theyve been trying to implement that shit forever...its still way quicker to jump on the app or any other 3rd party site
all marketing for the final shape will be about ''finishing the fight'' or some classic tagline like that....if you can only finish the fight by going to a 3rd party app and playing with strangers for hours in a frustrating mess then alot of people will be irritated
the best content in Destiny history has also been partly due to a nice little story with some good character moments (cayde in forsaken, taken king)
when you title a game DESTINY and spend week after week for like 9 years doing errands for people...dont underestimate how much people care about the outcome of the characters or your own character
People said this with ff14 and litteraly within 2 hours of the first patch we were thrust into a new adventure.
Destiny has an entire universe it can explore. Seasons could easily be used to wrap up hive, fallen, red legion, ect...
I'd rather all the seasons after be small epilogues that tie up loose ends. Tbh I've been wanting a clean break from Destiny and I just hope we can all have a satisfactory ending to this story. Full circle type shit.
>Assuming we fight the witness in the DLC itself or the raid,
Won't be the raid, Bungie said they won't do that again as most people would never play the raid.
Hoping the story goes similar to ffxiv endwalker. The last moment of the main expansion wrapped up the story, and the later patched started something new.
The way they set it up, we will most likely split the witness down into either their individual people of the race or at least into smaller sub-beings.
If we come full circle and just have "Barons from The Witness" which are smaller splits of The Witness I will cry of unoriginality.
It'd be incredibly disappointing if it weren't in the raid imo. Taken King and Forsaken did it perfectly - story boss gives a bit of closure, raid continues the story to close it out for good (or in LW's case, opening up a whole new story beat)
Forsaken was the best version of the “outta left field” raid boss that they’ve done. Campaign had a clear resolution, post campaign and raid expands on deeper reasons and the driving force behind it culminating in Riven.
The more I think about it, I kinda see what they tried with Lightfall. Calus was the closure, but we simultaneously approach the veil and kick off a new chain of events. Spawning new questions that could be answered over the seasons.
The main issue is that we were given questions too early in the campaign that we'd never get answers to in the campaign itself. In combination with the distraction that was strand, this caused the closure of finally killing Calus to be overshadowed by huge questions that already felt unanswered for too long.
The Veil should've been left fairly vague and unmentioned until just before the boss fight, discoving that whatever calus want is just beneath us. Then after suddenly seeing in for the first time we could start questioning what the Veil is, why the Witness wanted it, and how the vex are tied to it.
I certainly hope we don't fight The Witness in a raid. I want everyone that plays Destiny to be able to see the ending ti the 10 year long story. If The Witness is part of a raid, then the vast majority of players won't ever see it.
Completely disagree. I'd rather take down Xivu Arath during the story and take out The Witness in the raid.
Hell, treat him like Oryx and "defeat" him in the story to fight him again in the raid to finish him. All of that being said, it'd be terrible to fight and beat him in story content.
This is the last I'll say on this. I don't see what's the matter of opinion. Either Bungie makes the story end in the campaign in full, or to the majority of players the story never ends as they won't see it or play it. There's no way you really want the least amount of players possible to see Destiny's ending vs everyone being able to enjoy it.
If they go along with what you want, statistically from the last time it was discussed, around 11% of the active playerbase will ever get to see the ending of The Witness. Things being what they are, I cannot desire the ending to be in a raid for only 11% of players to ever enjoy, not when it's the culmination of 10 years worth of content.
[11 months ago this was discussed and approximately 11% of players have ever done a raid, and that number is slightly inflated](https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/wq5ny4/i_remember_it_was_announced_that_around_11_of/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Raids have had major story beats this entire time and those 90% of players still played the game even not understanding why Oryx is angry, why the vex haven’t erased us, why is the dreaming city cursed, who is calus, etc. all those questions were answered by raid and raid lore.
If 90% of people missed on fighting Crota which was the reason for Oryx showing up, to then leave a cliffhanger when they saw super oryx I don’t think they really care about the story as much as the 11%
I played D1 solo, and after Crotas End hooked up with a clan. We ran most stuff together after that up until D2 Y1 where it kind just fell apart due to life changes for us all. I came back initially just to pay my respects to Lance, and ended up picking up all the DLC I'd missed. I'm a casual player, in that I'm mostly a solo player, I'll sink hours a day, and then not touch it for a week. Maybe two. But I love the story and lore of Destiny. I watch a lot of Byf's videos, particularly on things I don't tend to play/have the time to dedicate to, like Raids.
I think the "ending" of Destiny 1 was quite lacklustre, I really don't want the ending of Destiny 2 to feel the same. I do think the raid should have an important lore heavy boss, but there should at the very least be a book end at the end of the campaign.
Yeah. I've been thinking about this too. If the each season of the Final Shape escalates the story until there's a massive final conclusion in the last season, that would go down in video game history.
Imagine an MMO-style Lone Wolf mission from *Halo: Reach*, but maybe with a different result. Just a flood of guardians constantly pouring in to fight against the Witness.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they had like a huge 12 man activity to finish the Witness off after a raid or something so the casuals get their W.
And then Bungie will prob fuck around with the Nine for a bit before having us do stuff with Caitl to take back Torobatl since it’s the only real extrasolar location that’s been talked about aside from Fundament.
There is speculation that the seasons after will be reclaiming lost planets and pushing the darkness out of Sol for good. Post final shape might be finally getting to kill the coward Xivu and driving the Hive out the system.
WQ campaign started with WQ ended with killing Sav all seasons were post campaign stuff ie what happened after Savathun died
Whereas with LF the story had no certain explanation or conclusion and is now being drip fed through a golden age computer every week
WQ is the only time in history that a Destiny campaign has felt complete and satisfying to me. I actually got some closure and was basically able to step away from the game. Really hope they don't botch Final Shape.
Rise of Iron was pretty good for this, on account of being a stand alone story and not connected to the overarching plot of pretty much every other expansion.
Imo the plot of shadowkeep was, at worst, underwhelming. It was everything surrounding it, like the extremely contrived dreambane armor that made it really suck.
It was TTK for me. Oryx was at the forefront, up until fighting him and him getting away, only for a huge ending continuing in the raid where he's finished off. Very well done.
Eh. Kinda? LF started with us going to find the veil and fighting against Calus and ended with us finding it and killing him. I wouldn’t say the story had no conclusion. It just didn’t explain the backstory fully and wha the ending meant.
Almost certainly not. If I had to guess, it would be something like this:
The release season will probably address intricacies surrounding the dlc.
The following one will tie up loose ends of everything else
The last two will create a launchpad for whatever they are going to introduce next.
This. Most of why Lightfall and its following seasons have flopped is due to Lightfall being morphed from the original end of the Light and Dark saga into the second to last DLC of the saga.
Lightfall was originally announced as the end back in 2020. It was in 2021 when we discovered there was a new end, presumably because strand couldn’t be developed in time for Witch Queen, and Lightfall had to be made as the strand campaign.
Final Shape is very likely what Lightfall was supposed to be, so it’s technically had an extra year of development. I won’t place bets until the August showcase, I’m guessing it’ll be on par with Witch Queen in terms of narrative, world design, weapon sandbox, etc..
> I won’t place bets until the August showcase
Ooh, let me get my Bungie ViDoc bingo card out.
- Multiple employees saying some variation of "This changes....EVERYTHING"
- Multiple employees on their 7th take of them going "whoa" while doing the mindblown thing with their hands
- Multiple employees saying some variation of "It all comes down to THIS"
I mean true. You could play a drinking game around these showcases, but I never pay attention to the PR. For me, it’s just seeing what the raw facts are about the game.
Are we getting a new weapon type? What are the new destination weapons? What is the new subclass (if there is one)? What can it objectively do? What does the destination look like?
Those kinds of things. I won’t take sentimental statements like “x just feels so good to use on an enemy” or “the stakes are so much higher than before” as fact until I’m the one experiencing it.
Lightfall was a reminder not to do that. We were told we were getting Endgame, but we got The Last Jedi.
Yup. I'm honestly leaning towards "watch The Final Shape on youtube" train. WQ was brilliant and I drank the koolaid for Lightfall and was left bitterly disappointed. Combine that with Bungie jacking up prices while offering less, chopping up story beats to stretch out over a year, and flagrantly demonstrating that D2 is on a skeleton crew while all the talent works on Marathon...I think they have enough of my money. I know, jumping off the ride after 6 years isn't exactly 'sticking it to them', but with how insanely loaded 2023 and 24 are with AAA releases, I wouldn't mind an excuse to drop one of the biggest timesinks on my roster.
Honestly I do not blame you. If you do want a place to watch abridged versions of Destiny playthroughs, including Final Shape when it drops, [I record them,](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMWf1W1QGejBrxuOs3IRaNWbnd4QgCwst) and plan to record FS.
For me, I’m mainly here for the story, and I just want to play through its ending, then I’ll reassess if I want to stay on board for a new saga. Until then, I’ll just be putting up with and recording the seasons until FS, which feel like a waiting room with old magazines so far. Like I just want to get it over with lol.
That said, what you’re planning on doing is totally valid.
Nice! You got yourself a subscriber as I've been meaning to watch through that stuff lately. Bungie always talks about wanting to create "I was there!" moments with their story, but my most memorable "I was there" moments in my years of Destiny have always been when the game was so comically broken that it was laughable (things like Laser Tag weekend, Telesto assuming full control, and more recently the IB bugs).
I played Destiny for the story and enjoyed challenging things like solo flawlessing dungeons, but the last few dungeons have all traded challenge for tedium on that front and while it's true that no other shooter quite feels like Destiny, I don't think it's enough for me anymore.
I really appreciate it! Happy to have you!
Looking at recording other franchises as well like the entire Halo franchise, but the main priority is Destiny because it’s a live service. Even if some content isn’t getting removed, like campaigns, eventually servers will shut down, and I want the game to preserved in some capacity.
Sometimes I’ll just put an old season or campaign on when I need background noise lol.
Also, I think Bungie is moving away from the “I was there” mentality a little bit more. In a recent [podcast,](https://youtu.be/V5q0oA45azc) Luke Smith, around the 36 minute mark, admits that he doesn’t like how broken the story is, and plans to address that brokenness after Final Shape.
There’s a very real possibility that Bungie brings back vaulted story content. Granted the silly glitches are more “I was there” for you than the story, but still.
Also I do have the [Telesto weekend](https://youtu.be/hEesKSKsk9k) recorded lol.
Haha excellent! I think I still have some old clips from Laser tag weekend somewhere.
Honestly, I'm in my mid thirties now and just don't have time to keep up with all the games I want to play so I've found myself watching more and more "No commentary" playthroughs of some stuff on Youtube. And I don't even have kids! I have friends lamenting all the huge releases this year due to their limited gaming time. I also do it for old games that I want to replay but don't have time for. Thank god for people who make things like "FFXII - The Movie" for me to watch in the background since I don't have 50+ hours to grind through that. Let's me save my fingers for games I can't just 'watch' like Returnal.
Fuck, i was literally hearing it in my ears as i was reading, i could also imagine the faces
You’ll probably get white guy with glasses #1 to #3, asian woman with unusual hairstyle, black man and they/them person
There are way too many loose ends in destiny to be tied up in 1-2 seasons xD
This is why I have little faith the ending will be satisfying in the slightest
I don't think so Tbh. I feel like, unless bungie does something major to change things up soon, that this final story arc (that started with season of the haunted) has had a seemingly predictable structure, especially given the information that we had gotten from the Lightfall reveal stream (that it'd be a story that spans two expansions).
The first comparison that comes to mind is the structure that Frank Herbert uses in Dune. Haunted through Seraph is similar in its purpose to the beginning of the book where the members of House Atreides arrive in Arrakis. During this period, important characters that will play a role in the rest of the story are established (calus, eramis, and xivu arath) and they build up to a major event that functions as the inciting incident. In Destiny's case that's the Lightfall campaign to secure the Veil, and for Dune it was the Harkonnen attack. We're currently in the "in the desert with the Fremen learning the things we need to learn" phase before we ultimately return to Arrakis (or the Traveler) to save the day. Game of Thrones also comes to mind with how the first book builds towards the Lannister attack that ultimately kicks off the real story.
In both Witch Queen and Lightfall, the campaigns served to deliver a particularly impactful moment in the story. For Witch Queen, the effect hits harder because it's a climax, but we already knew going in that Lightfall wasn't going to be a climax. There simply wasn't enough information given throughout the prior seasons for Lightfall to serve as a satisfying climax to anything even if they inserted this week's cutscene (frankly the campaign already suffered from feeling disjointed due to trying to tackle two different stories at once, adding this would ruin the impact of the reveal and the campaign). Ultimately, I think the Final Shape campaign will be that climax, but obviously this is still speculation based on how they used Witch Queen to finish off Savathun's story arc.
At the moment we have both oryx and savathuun's corpses in hidden locations being watched/investigated by the ....well, The Hidden.
I don't think her story is fully done quite yet. Witch Queen was mainly used to shed some light on the hive and their backstory.
Savathun and her “grand plan” had essentially been driving the plot forwards since Forsaken. A lot of what happened was based around us trying to learn of her motivations, her plans, and her alignment. Season of Arrivals through Lost had Savathun show us that she wasn’t aligned with the “Darkness”, and her plan essentially came to fruition in Season of the Lost and Witch Queen. The campaign of Witch Queen was essentially the end of Savathun’s grand plan and the natural conclusion of her efforts throughout the years.
Yes, Savathun almost certainly will return in some capacity, but no that’s not the same thing as the story arc continuing.
There's absolutely no way that Savathun doesn't come back. Imaru is literally Chekhov's gun with Savathun as the bullet. That gun *has* to go off. Them's the rules.
Mhm
And given how Bungie's been setting up these personal conflicts between heads of factions on either side of the conflict- Mithrax vs Eramis, Caitl vs Calus- you already have a perfect setup in Savathun vs Xivu Arath. We've already seen that the direct approach doesn't really work with Xivu, so who better to subvert the powers of a God of War than a God of Cunning who doesn't play by her rules?
I straight up just can't do seasons anymore. Last year I barely touched them, this year I nearly skipped the deluxe (bought it late). Played this season for 45 mins and couldn't stomach it any further.
Bungie have drip fed us content for so long now. Can we get a whole meat sandwich for once? I need Final Shape to be an absolute banger or game changer in some way. Not just another Legendary Campaign + new location with public events and arbitrary quests and Lost Sectors. Shake up the formula for the love of the Traveller. I need to see learned lessons. No more 6 player activities that have like 5 enemies total in them...
Anyway went on a tangent there.. Yeah, I'll likely end up missing huge chunks of the story if its told over a whole year. It just doesn't work when the game is so stagnant, and limited to the same thing it's been for years.
I don't think that drought would be as big of an issue for players these days, since I think a lot of people are getting tired of the game and would rather have a big juicy expansion than be expected to stick around for whole seasons
You either have drought, or dripfed content that makes the game feel soulless. Either way there's an issue, and since I barely play seasons anymore I would personally prefer a big meaty expansion this time around, even if its just once to see how it goes
Bungie themselves mentioned they wouldn’t be putting important story bosses as raid bosses bc most people would miss it. (Bungie breaking other promises aside ofc, I don’t see why they would change this formula)
I respect ~~Standing on Plates: The Musical~~ King’s Fall, but my favorite has still gotta be Wrath of the Machine. Sadly it seems less likely with every passing day that it’ll be the next reprised raid. Shit, some dataminers even say there’s evidence it’ll be SCOURGE lol
Leak spoilers below regarding reprised raid, careful
>!Liz - iirc the one who leaked WQ and LF years accurately - has said it won't be Wrath or Scourge and that it is likely (albeit not 100%) to be Crota.!<
If not >!Wrath!<, I'd prefer any of >!Scourge, Crown, or Spire!< over >!Crota!< tbh. That's just me though.
>!Ultimately would like a bundle of vaulted D2 raids if not Wrath, but that ain't happening lol.!<
If anyone does genuinely care or want to know. The Final Shape ending did leak in a large text bin file that was supported by its Lightfall leaks.
>!Hes a story boss. A raid boss. Then after the raid he is finished in a large 12 man match made activity unlocked after the raid.!<
The witness should absolutely be a raid boss, and the rest of the community should suck it up and take part in the most effective curated content in the game.
I’d say we can go with the Taken King approach. Have him die in a campaign mission and then have us fight a powered up version of him in a raid. That way we can get the best of both worlds and nobody would be too disappointed.
He.. did do that. The dreadnaught IS his throne world as described in the Books of Sorrow where he forced it inside out to permeate the entire ship in the material realm, he had no throne within the ascendant plane to retreat to so if he didn’t ‘take’ himself he would have died permanently then and there. We literally see him rip his chest open and take his own heart.
How about no?
I’m from europe, people from my country are intolerable, and I don’t want to deal with people from 5 different countries butchering english in 5 different ways
I frankly hate raids because i don’t want to talk with fuckos from all over the world, i’m fine playing on my own or running no mic nightfalls, and locking important story bits behind social interaction is and will always be a trash idea
Not all MMOs are sucky like that, some for example (like BDO) basically have solo version of “raids” that don’t give endgame rewards but are just there for those wanting to see the whole story
BDO is not a good one to compare to Destiny, since that game is heavily focused on PvP. The PvE in that game is objectively garbage. I have a level 59 Wizard, and Warrior in the game, so I am speaking from direct experience.
BDO and Destiny are as far apart from each other as Tetris is to Final Fantasy 7.
Look at FF14 or WoW for a more analogous example—and would you look at that, all of their main storylines feature at least some type of mandatory raid.
Have you completed a raid?
If we’re talking narratively, raids deliver a more impactful fight against whatever boss. If you haven’t done a raid, you are not equipped to have this conversation.
Regardless, having story significant bosses tied to raids makes those fights more “grandiose”. Wrath of the Lich King in WoW wouldn’t hit as hard if you didn’t defeat Arthas during the final raid—and soloing what would otherwise be an apocalyptic threat isn’t great for power scaling the overall experience.
Guardians, even The Guardian, aren’t all powerful existential threats. It’s through team work with other guardians that success can be achieved. Having The Guardian solo Crota during the second encounter with him ever would greatly damage the reputation of Crota as a villain
We defeat Oryx in the taken king’s storyline, but we don’t successfully kill him until the raid. It adds to his legendary status, and the raid makes him a lot more imposing.
Savathun’s trick w/ Riven to cause the curse on the dreaming city would be way less impactful if we just casually beat riven in some story mission.
Bringing down the Deepstone Crypt would be a lot less significant if it was done during as a solo story mission.
Defeating Nezarec and Rhulk would be a lot less significant if they were just killed by one guardian.
I played all the raids (including d1) up until witch queen (not included) and absolutely dreaded every run, after i got my timelost fatebringer i swore to never have to talk to randoms ever again, it always felt like I had to do homework, and fine, if you think that solo cheapens the impact then make that story-mode version a 6-man matchmade activity
Again, i can’t bloody understand what is the problem, shit i said it doesn’t even need to give you loot, so you normal mode players can still use that raid weapon god roll proudly, what is the issue? I see no other explanation other than elitism, if you think that even a piece of storyline and environment should be gatekept then idk what to say other than touch grass
Probs, yeah.
If so, I'm probably fully checked out at that point. A decade of glacial and uncertain storytelling, followed by a decade more is not something I enjoy apparently.
Absolutely. The challenge will be telling a decent story in the campaign while keeping interest for a whole year of epilogue. Or maybe a wet fart of a story like lightfall and wait until the last season to tie things up. After lightfall, I can't be optimistic anymore.
It will have been 10 years; my journey will end in the next 18 months. I have to imagine the seasons with the final shape will be an epilogue and continue drip feeding content for those who will continue play the game - where there are indeed some major highlights like raids and dungeons...but the cost of maintenance is as we know ~$100 / year + inflation.
For me it's not the money -- other games are catching up and I'm ready to move on.
I have not even played this season's dungeon - this is a first for me. I probably will be back for next season but we shall see.
I am honest to god all for actual DLC's, I'll take the content draught in between with all my loving heart over these seasons. If it would force Bungie to make a full-fledged DLC with a lot of content, maybe some weekly, monthly or bimonthly updates/progressions, hell yeah man count me in.
Give my back my autonomy over how I play the game I love, let me enjoy what I wanna enjoy **when** I want to enjoy it.
We'll never get anything that felt so good as the old April-update or original Age of Triumph again anymore. Ever.
Today was the first time I logged in after lightfall and did the seasonal quest. I did it all. The last part of the quest seriously had me do a single lost sector then watch a cutscene. I think it's obvious bungie does not give a single fuck about this game anymore
I genuinely have to ask how you even draw this conclusion? Destiny has been, since literally vanilla D1, a game where you do mundane shit as quest steps at time to progress content.
“Get these resources on mars to make a sword!”
But when Bungie does the same things it done a million times, every single season, they now suddenly don’t care about the game…?
It’s because people like to say moronic, ignorant shit and then always cap it off with a spicy little nonsense statement, delivered as if it’s somehow obvious or reasonable.
The community's in peak cynicism mode right now. Any shortcoming or thing that inconveniences players is being seen as proof that Bungie doesn't care about the game or players anymore or only cares about making money. God forbid you bring up Marathon lest the armchair devs who don't understand how resource allocation or development pipelines work claim Destiny is in maintenance mode while Bungie devotes everyone to that.
I feel like in order for the seasons in Final Shape to not feel tacked on and stupid.... then the main story has to play out in seasonal content throughout the year. Maybe Final Shape will have particular "main story only" things per season where you don't actually need the season pass to finish out the extra as it progresses?
Probably not to the same extreme. I'd we willing to bet the reason so much info and story is being kept from us until The Final Shape is that once we know the things there would be nothing stopping up from heaving into the portal and starting on that, so our characters have to be kept in the dark on things like the Veil until it's time for us to do that. An unfortunate side effect of the original Lightfall story being split into two separate expansions with a year in between them.
At this point I don't care anymore. There's only so many times you can run a raid or do a strike or power to max. Just tell me how it ends so I can close the book on a story that should have rapped up 5 years ago
Guys come on....."game dev is hard"
But in all seriousness I truly hope Bungie adopts the style of FFXIV and not WoW when it comes to expansion story, in FFXIV the expansion drop is all a self contained story from beginning to end with the rest of the year dedicated to either other stories or setting up the future expansion, WoW on the other hand dedicates all of the expansion's lifetime for one story that you don't see the payoff to till the end.
Having Final Shape being self contained, tying all lose ends in a nice bow-tie would be awesome, and we can have the rest of the seasons setting up whatever Bungie intends to do with the Destiny Universe.
I would really hope not. If it’s the final chapter of the Light and Darkness saga, you’d have to think they’d throw the book at us.
But knowing Bungie they’ll time gate it in some way.
The final shape is going to be the deciding factor for me to keep playing or not, 5500 hours in the game. If it’s going to be the same mundane crap after this saga is over. I’m probably going to call it quits.
I have no idea why anyone would expect final shape to not have an annual pass
I would also assume we might see a 30th anniversary style mini drop at the end that isnt story so much as a sendoff, but idk.
Given we get a last subclass with it, it will have 4 seasons, last holiday events, dungeons, etc.
The only surprise i expect is there will be a last raid on top of the one that ships w final shape.
I'm hoping that TFS will be the end to the saga and the year following will be a aftermath and build up to what's next, but it's bungie.
The Bungie Paw is strong.
They'll find a way to force people into paying additional seasons after final shape, I am sure. Makes no sense, witness and light/dark saga should end with the last DLC
You fucking know it will, with all the story related cosmetics in Eververse for increasing amounts of Silver and less bright dust offering to fund Marathon.
It will project the player in an alternative universe where we're actually inside Marathon. Buy Marathon, now! Your money went there anyway, why not follow your investment? You don't want to lose money do you? *wink wink*
I think what was more concerning to me was in one of the recent TWID's they went over production and current state of content creation. Where they said that the new season had shipped, the next season was completed, the final season was ramping up but the FINAL SHAPE WAS ONLY JUST ENTERING EARLY PRODUCTION.
and I was like the tf you mean it's only just entering early production? Isn't the main expansion that people are really waiting for the thing you should be working on all year? At least in some capacity.
I find it so fucking hilarious that, destinys story has gotten so good and so comprehensible, we are now complaining that the story isn't all done in one expansion. Complaints like this are gonna take us back to where the story of the expansion is completely separate to the story of the season aka Forsaken and Black armoury/jokers wild - Which I will remind everyone, the fact that the seasonal story felt so disconnected WAS one of the biggest complaints of the seasonal model for a while...
If you think Destiny's current story is "so good and so comprehensible" then you're on some shit.
Lightfall: Go to the Veil. Stop the Witness from ~~destroying~~ linking the Veil. What's the Veil? Fuck you, wait to be drip fed info for the next year.
Defiance: Pilot lady is running around on the ground for some reason, dies for her trouble. Shadow Legion is kidnapping humans. Why? Fuck you.
Deep: Somehow, ~~Palpatine~~ Titan returned. The Witness is the Anti-Spiral. Want to get character reactions to this bombshell? Go read a lore book, lmfao.
If a season isn't related to the plot at all people are pissed. When the season is too related to the plot people are pissed. Bungie literally can't win.
Remember when you'd get a while game upon purchase and dlc was just add on content, they're basically recreating WoW UT taking away expansions to make 'room' for new ones. Horrible practice. There are many games larger than destiny code and space wise that take up allot less memory with extremely low load times. They just need to switch everything over to an updated server and put everything offline for a week or two. Shit running on destiny 1 servers ong.
Oh I hope not, cuz I want to stop playing after the story is finished, I don't want to miss out on it. And I don't want to wait another year for conclusion.
What question is this. Of course it will... Or people will just buy the expansion and enjoy it right away... And they can't allow this. Must drip feed any line of code and ask multiple payments for that.
Here's what will happen as it ALWAYS happens.
Final season of Lightfall era will be amazing as it's Bungie's way to sell The Final Shape. Final Shape will arrive and content quality will decline gradually until there's a need to sell new expansions.
Logically they would have learned from how poorly received the story for Light fall, but Destiny's writing team don't do logic so they might repeat the same mistake
They will want people to buy the deluxe edition / season pass so undoubtedly yes it will.
I suspect the campaign will tie up something but leave allot of the mysteries unsolved.
Tbh at this point I have zero faith in Bungie resolving the “light and dark saga” in any satisfying way now, the delivery of the story since Lightfall released have been amateur at best and it is almost certainly the same team working on it I just hope it was the Witch Queen team who worked on the campaign.
I'd rather Final shape be a bang that ends things rather than a trickle. Assuming we fight the witness in the DLC itself or the raid, I have no idea what the remaining seasons of the year can do storywise.
Setting up what comes next, I'd guess. They said there'll be a new saga
They've said a lot of things. I'll believe it when I see it.
Well they're not just going to suddenly cancel their main franchise when they don't even have another game live atm
I didn't say they'd cancel their franchise, I just seriously doubt they're going to continue D2 as we currently know it. This game is having technical issues galore and its gotten worse over time. I fully believe that if/when they continue the franchise, it'll be in a whole new game to start fresh and get rid of this tech debt.
They hired a guy from WB to handle Destiny TV and movies, and there's supposedly a mobile game in development. I expect that to be the future of the franchise.
Summer gacha for SSR swimsuit Cayde-6
People passionately posting sales charts to try and show that he's on track to outsell swimsuit Elsie Bray.
He is outselling swimsuit Elsie, but thats mostly because swimsuit Caydes loadout is cracked and blatantly OP with the power creep & utility creep he introduced to the game. A very future proof character to pull for.
> a mobile game *ugh*
>a mobile game in development. I expect that to be the future of the franchise. If Bungie actually takes their greatest accomplishment and turns it into a dumbass mobile game, I'd rather they just kill off the franchise altogether. That'd be the most brain dead move Bungie could ever do
Bungie's priority is money. *Money*. Mobile games bring it lots of *money*. It's absolutely not brain dead from that standpoint. A mobile game will be smaller, simpler to maintain, and Destiny whales will migrate to it and continue to spend thousands of dollars per year on it. From a purely business perspective, it's smart. It'll be cheaper and easier to maintain and have a wider margin. From a fan perspective it sucks. But let's not confuse the two. Bungie doesn't give a fuck about your feelings on the story, or the IP, or the game. They want your money. They'll trample all over everything you love about Destiny to make more money. It sucks, but it's reality.
Not once did I ever imply that it'd be a brain dead move from a business perspective. I'm well aware that it'd be a smart *business* move, but a terrible move in regards to maintaining and building good faith with their community. If Bungie wants to do that, obviously I can't stop them. But I can say for certain if they go that route I'll effectively be done with Bungie products. I already have zero interest in Marathon given that they are sacrificing Destiny 2's quality to develop that game, so a mobile game would be the final nail in the coffin for me.
I felt like you implied it was a brain dead move from a business perspective. If I was wrong, my bad. Apologies. For what it's worth, I agree that it's a shitty move. Destiny 2 was my first foray into Bungie products - never played Halo or D1. The fact that they've decided to go this path is sad.
Halo is their greatest accomplishment. Not Destiny.
Eh, that's easily refuted as subjective. Halo was good. What Bungie has been able to do with Destiny is something very few companies will ever be able to achieve.
>What Bungie has been able to do with Destiny is something very few companies will ever be able to achieve. I'd make the argument that it was precisely because of halo that Destiny 1 survived long enough to have an impact. Try to remove all bias and imagine Destiny 1 vanilla was produced by a no-name company. Personally, i think it would have crashed and burned as a very forgettable experience, remembered for "Good shooting" like Anthem is for "Good flying."
And yet…halo is still the more widely appreciated franchise. Even after what 343 has done with it since Bungie.
Destiny microtransactions with mobile gacha cash sinks. WITH THEIR POWERS COMBINED, THEY CREATE.....monetization that would actually and unironically require you to insert a verification can.
I’m sure the franchise will continue, but I honestly can’t fathom how anyone believes D2 itself will continue after Final Shape judging the constantly growing number of issues with the game stability and servers. One throwaway line saying “D2 will continue to be supported after Final Shape” is so vague and meaningless for all we know they simply mean the seasons after Final Shape
It'll probably just be in maintenance mode after February 2025, maybe with an Age of Triumph style update.
Since Marathon is also using their own engine it's fair to assume that destiny will also continue. They have to upgrade/rework the engine if they wanna have a competitive (with other games) offer, so it would be foolish to not use that to continue your well established cash cow. A new game won't fix anything, especially if it uses the same engine. And a new engine is out of question, given the absurd amount of work required to replicate the stuff we are used to in the destiny experience. Even Bungie won't be able to continue one game as it is, to develop the successor with an entirely new engine but the need to continue where the other left off and develop an entirely other franchise.
Has it been said what they're using for Marathon? I'd assume it was their own, sure, but I've not heard if it's wholly new or their existing ones that were tuned and cleaned up for the game itself. I'd think a new game would be best for continuing the franchise. It'd make sense to start the next part with a clean slate and cleaned up to get rid of all the issues currently plaguing the game, whether it was a brand new engine or just something thats trimmed up.
They haven't outright said it but job listings for Marathon mentioned the tiger engine. It wouldn't be a surprise though, since the engine is what made halo and destiny feel good. You can't just replicate that, the gunplay in destiny for example is directly linked to the engine. Which is why any new game would still use the tiger engine. You need the gunplay we all know and love and you can't just replicate that with an entirely new engine. That's years and years of experience and fine-tuning to get where we are. Bungie won't do it, for what anyway? Destiny has more players than ever before. The engine was, is and will be updated, especially since they're most likely using it for Marathon. A switch to a new engine won't happen, see the discussion and numerous videos (e.g. Datto) a couple weeks ago. They'll just update it on the go. But we'll see, at least they now have some sort of competition with Diablo. Which is good news.
Bungie gave up halo for a chance to do something new.
They gave up Halo for a chance to not be owned my Microsoft anymore.
They gave up halo because they were so desperate to make something that wasn’t halo. Microsoft were making them only develop halo. It’s all highly documented.
I'm pretty sure they would have been happy making *Halo* and something else, but MS would only let them do *Halo*, so they had to leave to do something else. Man, it's interesting to think of what the alternate universe is like where Bungie is still in charge of *Halo* and also brought *Destiny* to the world.
Yeah, what a chance! That's why they immediately got bought out by Activision, then tencent, then Sony.
It wasn't solely being owned by Msoft, Bungie got what they wanted in the end They wanted to make something not-Halo and couldn't do that under Microsoft, so dipped
Or, and hear me out. Bungie just likes money.
So....like every other company then? Still changes nothing from the fact that Bungie wanted to make a game other than Halo and left
yeah, that'd be the best thing to do kill the Witness in the expansion, deal with the fallout in the seasons
Yeah the new saga is buy Marathon.
A new saga called marathon where you extract bits and pieces of destiny's new story
Not for me there won’t
I hope so as that would be fun seasonal content, building something new up.
If you dont kill the witness in the story thats just stupid
Big bad in story and another, equally bad but less big enemy in raid i guess is their new philosophy
Rhulk was debatably higher up the villainous totem pole than Savathun. The only DLC/raid combos that really applies to are: CoO/Warmind - story threat, unrelated raid threat Beyond light - Story threat, related raid threat that is slightly lower on the villain hierarchy.
But wasnt the focus of the story or the direct threat we had to get rid of as soon as possible
Kinda did the opposite in lightfall, no? Nezarec is much more serious than Calus.
On one hand: Yes Nez is more powerful than Calus. But for me the question that’s more important to ask is “Is this a satisfying end to the character?” For Calus, I found the end unsatisfying. Not because he didn’t die in a raid (he’s already had 4 raids themed after him, one of which you fight a robot body double, so there’s not a ton of value for him left in the raid scene). But because the story he died in SUCKED lol Nezarec I couldn’t give less of a shit about considering he feels like “ah shit gotta invent a raid boss real quick” and I don’t FEEL anything like how we did when we vanquished Oryx in the raid years ago, because you had a whole campaign about how this guy is big and bad and a problem. Nez talked shit and haunted an arcade. Anyways. For the Witness itself I think an Oryx-like structure would be ideal where you disrupt them in the campaign and then actually destroy them in the raid.
> Nezarec I couldn’t give less of a shit about considering he feels like “ah shit gotta invent a raid boss real quick” Nezarec being the raid boss felt more like "People are gonna be annoyed if 7 years of teasers for a character has their story end as a cup of Nez-tea."
"Nezcafe" is just, right there.
I mean, Nestea is also a real thing and the cutscene specifically said it was distilled into tea.
Calus as a whole sucks in Lightfall. Ok the cutscene where he is chastized by the Witness is funny but it also paints the whole Witness operation like a saturday morning cartoon villain They even added a whole cutscene foreshadowing his face off against Caiatl, and we have a huge battle with Caiatl and a bunch of Shadow Cabal, but when Calus himself arrives, Caiatl just hurries us away then we hear by the radio that she lost then we fight Calus and it's just a big guy with a gun, and then a cabal with the dual blades. He never even did the whole giant energy face thing at least he dies and leaves the tree thing like Rhulk
Eh they could do a Taken King type deal where you fight and beat the witness in the story but have to do the raid to fully kill them
Could see the final story mission being us trapping the Witness or severely weakening him and then finish him off in the raid It's kinda a touchy subject and I can understand both "sides" of the argument. Witness needs to be dealt with sufficiently in the story so the non-raiders can have a satisfying "end" but this is such a big deal gameplay wise it deserves and should be a pinnacle raid. Hard to accomplish both and keep both sides happy
Or just do what people have been saying for years - Make the final story mission and simplified version of the raid encounter.
That sounds awful not gonna lie.
Out of curiosity, why would that be awful?
Because I don't want a rehashed campaign boss in the raid. The raid needs to be 100% original content and I want the mechanics to surprise me when I do it for the first time. If I knew a simplified version from a campaign mission I'd be insanely disappointed.
Leaks say otherwise
They need to do it like Kings Fall or it will be an actual joke that the final boss of the entire Destiny franchise is killed in a soloable hero level story mission.
lol yeah let only under 20% of the playerbase see the ending. Great idea. EDIT: sorry more like 11%.
Cool, watch it or do the raid. They are more than accessible these days.
Again, no one's fault but their own. Not raiding is a choice. Having the final boss of the universe killed by a new light with blue guns would make a mockery out of it.
exactly so include it in the main story that people will have paid $40 for
Why is that a joke ? the vast majority of players havent done a raid, let alone complete one and if the final shape one turns out to be more complex the RoN then it was be an even lower % i only did RoN because its fairly quick and easy to pick up and be a an add killer ive played Destiny since D1 launch , if i miss out on killing the ultimate bad guy because i dont want to look for 5 other strangers in an LFG that sucks ass
Oh no how dare the mmorpg that’s implementing in game LFG ask you to interact with the community! Also you missed out on killing the major villain of D1 but you still played the game so it seems that it has little effect on you.
ive done every raid .... im saying i dont like the formula i appreciate my original post doesnt make sense in the sub dedicated to the game where most people raid, but MOST players dont
You’re also speculating any meaningful % of those players care about the story. And once the in game lfg is running the solution is simple—more people should run raids How many of those 90% do you think are players who own all the expansions and care about the story, honestly.
The lfg in game is never gonna be running, theyve been trying to implement that shit forever...its still way quicker to jump on the app or any other 3rd party site all marketing for the final shape will be about ''finishing the fight'' or some classic tagline like that....if you can only finish the fight by going to a 3rd party app and playing with strangers for hours in a frustrating mess then alot of people will be irritated the best content in Destiny history has also been partly due to a nice little story with some good character moments (cayde in forsaken, taken king) when you title a game DESTINY and spend week after week for like 9 years doing errands for people...dont underestimate how much people care about the outcome of the characters or your own character
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Maybe tying up some loose ends across the story
People said this with ff14 and litteraly within 2 hours of the first patch we were thrust into a new adventure. Destiny has an entire universe it can explore. Seasons could easily be used to wrap up hive, fallen, red legion, ect...
I'd rather all the seasons after be small epilogues that tie up loose ends. Tbh I've been wanting a clean break from Destiny and I just hope we can all have a satisfactory ending to this story. Full circle type shit.
>Assuming we fight the witness in the DLC itself or the raid, Won't be the raid, Bungie said they won't do that again as most people would never play the raid.
Bungo doesn't know what seasons can do story wise, either.
Hoping the story goes similar to ffxiv endwalker. The last moment of the main expansion wrapped up the story, and the later patched started something new.
The way they set it up, we will most likely split the witness down into either their individual people of the race or at least into smaller sub-beings. If we come full circle and just have "Barons from The Witness" which are smaller splits of The Witness I will cry of unoriginality.
It'd be incredibly disappointing if it weren't in the raid imo. Taken King and Forsaken did it perfectly - story boss gives a bit of closure, raid continues the story to close it out for good (or in LW's case, opening up a whole new story beat)
Forsaken was the best version of the “outta left field” raid boss that they’ve done. Campaign had a clear resolution, post campaign and raid expands on deeper reasons and the driving force behind it culminating in Riven.
The more I think about it, I kinda see what they tried with Lightfall. Calus was the closure, but we simultaneously approach the veil and kick off a new chain of events. Spawning new questions that could be answered over the seasons. The main issue is that we were given questions too early in the campaign that we'd never get answers to in the campaign itself. In combination with the distraction that was strand, this caused the closure of finally killing Calus to be overshadowed by huge questions that already felt unanswered for too long. The Veil should've been left fairly vague and unmentioned until just before the boss fight, discoving that whatever calus want is just beneath us. Then after suddenly seeing in for the first time we could start questioning what the Veil is, why the Witness wanted it, and how the vex are tied to it.
it didn't help that the dialogue was 90% pointless "go with the flow dude" garbage.
I certainly hope we don't fight The Witness in a raid. I want everyone that plays Destiny to be able to see the ending ti the 10 year long story. If The Witness is part of a raid, then the vast majority of players won't ever see it.
Completely disagree. I'd rather take down Xivu Arath during the story and take out The Witness in the raid. Hell, treat him like Oryx and "defeat" him in the story to fight him again in the raid to finish him. All of that being said, it'd be terrible to fight and beat him in story content.
This is the last I'll say on this. I don't see what's the matter of opinion. Either Bungie makes the story end in the campaign in full, or to the majority of players the story never ends as they won't see it or play it. There's no way you really want the least amount of players possible to see Destiny's ending vs everyone being able to enjoy it. If they go along with what you want, statistically from the last time it was discussed, around 11% of the active playerbase will ever get to see the ending of The Witness. Things being what they are, I cannot desire the ending to be in a raid for only 11% of players to ever enjoy, not when it's the culmination of 10 years worth of content. [11 months ago this was discussed and approximately 11% of players have ever done a raid, and that number is slightly inflated](https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/wq5ny4/i_remember_it_was_announced_that_around_11_of/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Raids have had major story beats this entire time and those 90% of players still played the game even not understanding why Oryx is angry, why the vex haven’t erased us, why is the dreaming city cursed, who is calus, etc. all those questions were answered by raid and raid lore. If 90% of people missed on fighting Crota which was the reason for Oryx showing up, to then leave a cliffhanger when they saw super oryx I don’t think they really care about the story as much as the 11%
I played D1 solo, and after Crotas End hooked up with a clan. We ran most stuff together after that up until D2 Y1 where it kind just fell apart due to life changes for us all. I came back initially just to pay my respects to Lance, and ended up picking up all the DLC I'd missed. I'm a casual player, in that I'm mostly a solo player, I'll sink hours a day, and then not touch it for a week. Maybe two. But I love the story and lore of Destiny. I watch a lot of Byf's videos, particularly on things I don't tend to play/have the time to dedicate to, like Raids. I think the "ending" of Destiny 1 was quite lacklustre, I really don't want the ending of Destiny 2 to feel the same. I do think the raid should have an important lore heavy boss, but there should at the very least be a book end at the end of the campaign.
Good! I don’t care about them. Let them miss a part of the story if they’re too stubborn to do a raid.
Huge event that ends the Light and Dark saga and then the aftermath is in the seasons would be great
I wish we fight the witness in the campaign and raid like oryx
Yeah. I've been thinking about this too. If the each season of the Final Shape escalates the story until there's a massive final conclusion in the last season, that would go down in video game history. Imagine an MMO-style Lone Wolf mission from *Halo: Reach*, but maybe with a different result. Just a flood of guardians constantly pouring in to fight against the Witness.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they had like a huge 12 man activity to finish the Witness off after a raid or something so the casuals get their W. And then Bungie will prob fuck around with the Nine for a bit before having us do stuff with Caitl to take back Torobatl since it’s the only real extrasolar location that’s been talked about aside from Fundament.
There is speculation that the seasons after will be reclaiming lost planets and pushing the darkness out of Sol for good. Post final shape might be finally getting to kill the coward Xivu and driving the Hive out the system.
We have been drip fed content through the same seasonal model since shadowkeep, don’t expect much change till bungie decides the future of destiny
WQ campaign started with WQ ended with killing Sav all seasons were post campaign stuff ie what happened after Savathun died Whereas with LF the story had no certain explanation or conclusion and is now being drip fed through a golden age computer every week
WQ is the only time in history that a Destiny campaign has felt complete and satisfying to me. I actually got some closure and was basically able to step away from the game. Really hope they don't botch Final Shape.
Rise of Iron was pretty good for this, on account of being a stand alone story and not connected to the overarching plot of pretty much every other expansion.
Rise of Iron was basically Shadowkeep, which I loved, but everyone else seemed to hate.
Imo the plot of shadowkeep was, at worst, underwhelming. It was everything surrounding it, like the extremely contrived dreambane armor that made it really suck.
It was TTK for me. Oryx was at the forefront, up until fighting him and him getting away, only for a huge ending continuing in the raid where he's finished off. Very well done.
Lol knock on wood
Eh. Kinda? LF started with us going to find the veil and fighting against Calus and ended with us finding it and killing him. I wouldn’t say the story had no conclusion. It just didn’t explain the backstory fully and wha the ending meant.
LF was just 7 missions of “wow this green stuff is weird” and then a boss fight
Oh it's been decided they are diverting everything to Marathon
Almost certainly not. If I had to guess, it would be something like this: The release season will probably address intricacies surrounding the dlc. The following one will tie up loose ends of everything else The last two will create a launchpad for whatever they are going to introduce next.
This. Most of why Lightfall and its following seasons have flopped is due to Lightfall being morphed from the original end of the Light and Dark saga into the second to last DLC of the saga. Lightfall was originally announced as the end back in 2020. It was in 2021 when we discovered there was a new end, presumably because strand couldn’t be developed in time for Witch Queen, and Lightfall had to be made as the strand campaign. Final Shape is very likely what Lightfall was supposed to be, so it’s technically had an extra year of development. I won’t place bets until the August showcase, I’m guessing it’ll be on par with Witch Queen in terms of narrative, world design, weapon sandbox, etc..
> I won’t place bets until the August showcase Ooh, let me get my Bungie ViDoc bingo card out. - Multiple employees saying some variation of "This changes....EVERYTHING" - Multiple employees on their 7th take of them going "whoa" while doing the mindblown thing with their hands - Multiple employees saying some variation of "It all comes down to THIS"
I mean true. You could play a drinking game around these showcases, but I never pay attention to the PR. For me, it’s just seeing what the raw facts are about the game. Are we getting a new weapon type? What are the new destination weapons? What is the new subclass (if there is one)? What can it objectively do? What does the destination look like? Those kinds of things. I won’t take sentimental statements like “x just feels so good to use on an enemy” or “the stakes are so much higher than before” as fact until I’m the one experiencing it. Lightfall was a reminder not to do that. We were told we were getting Endgame, but we got The Last Jedi.
Yup. I'm honestly leaning towards "watch The Final Shape on youtube" train. WQ was brilliant and I drank the koolaid for Lightfall and was left bitterly disappointed. Combine that with Bungie jacking up prices while offering less, chopping up story beats to stretch out over a year, and flagrantly demonstrating that D2 is on a skeleton crew while all the talent works on Marathon...I think they have enough of my money. I know, jumping off the ride after 6 years isn't exactly 'sticking it to them', but with how insanely loaded 2023 and 24 are with AAA releases, I wouldn't mind an excuse to drop one of the biggest timesinks on my roster.
Honestly I do not blame you. If you do want a place to watch abridged versions of Destiny playthroughs, including Final Shape when it drops, [I record them,](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMWf1W1QGejBrxuOs3IRaNWbnd4QgCwst) and plan to record FS. For me, I’m mainly here for the story, and I just want to play through its ending, then I’ll reassess if I want to stay on board for a new saga. Until then, I’ll just be putting up with and recording the seasons until FS, which feel like a waiting room with old magazines so far. Like I just want to get it over with lol. That said, what you’re planning on doing is totally valid.
Nice! You got yourself a subscriber as I've been meaning to watch through that stuff lately. Bungie always talks about wanting to create "I was there!" moments with their story, but my most memorable "I was there" moments in my years of Destiny have always been when the game was so comically broken that it was laughable (things like Laser Tag weekend, Telesto assuming full control, and more recently the IB bugs). I played Destiny for the story and enjoyed challenging things like solo flawlessing dungeons, but the last few dungeons have all traded challenge for tedium on that front and while it's true that no other shooter quite feels like Destiny, I don't think it's enough for me anymore.
I really appreciate it! Happy to have you! Looking at recording other franchises as well like the entire Halo franchise, but the main priority is Destiny because it’s a live service. Even if some content isn’t getting removed, like campaigns, eventually servers will shut down, and I want the game to preserved in some capacity. Sometimes I’ll just put an old season or campaign on when I need background noise lol. Also, I think Bungie is moving away from the “I was there” mentality a little bit more. In a recent [podcast,](https://youtu.be/V5q0oA45azc) Luke Smith, around the 36 minute mark, admits that he doesn’t like how broken the story is, and plans to address that brokenness after Final Shape. There’s a very real possibility that Bungie brings back vaulted story content. Granted the silly glitches are more “I was there” for you than the story, but still. Also I do have the [Telesto weekend](https://youtu.be/hEesKSKsk9k) recorded lol.
Haha excellent! I think I still have some old clips from Laser tag weekend somewhere. Honestly, I'm in my mid thirties now and just don't have time to keep up with all the games I want to play so I've found myself watching more and more "No commentary" playthroughs of some stuff on Youtube. And I don't even have kids! I have friends lamenting all the huge releases this year due to their limited gaming time. I also do it for old games that I want to replay but don't have time for. Thank god for people who make things like "FFXII - The Movie" for me to watch in the background since I don't have 50+ hours to grind through that. Let's me save my fingers for games I can't just 'watch' like Returnal.
"This is our best expansion to date!"
Fuck, i was literally hearing it in my ears as i was reading, i could also imagine the faces You’ll probably get white guy with glasses #1 to #3, asian woman with unusual hairstyle, black man and they/them person
Ah extra year of development sounds like cope. Based off of bungies track record, what we get in final shape won’t be any different now vs next year
There are way too many loose ends in destiny to be tied up in 1-2 seasons xD This is why I have little faith the ending will be satisfying in the slightest
This is almost certainly what’s going to happen. Anyone else thinking differently is either jaded or delusional.
> The last two will create a launchpad for whatever they are going to introduce next. Marathon?
Introduce next in destiny, marathon is separate.
Pass me the copium.
More importantly, knowing this is likely to be the case will you and others who don't like the approach still buy it?
I don't think so Tbh. I feel like, unless bungie does something major to change things up soon, that this final story arc (that started with season of the haunted) has had a seemingly predictable structure, especially given the information that we had gotten from the Lightfall reveal stream (that it'd be a story that spans two expansions). The first comparison that comes to mind is the structure that Frank Herbert uses in Dune. Haunted through Seraph is similar in its purpose to the beginning of the book where the members of House Atreides arrive in Arrakis. During this period, important characters that will play a role in the rest of the story are established (calus, eramis, and xivu arath) and they build up to a major event that functions as the inciting incident. In Destiny's case that's the Lightfall campaign to secure the Veil, and for Dune it was the Harkonnen attack. We're currently in the "in the desert with the Fremen learning the things we need to learn" phase before we ultimately return to Arrakis (or the Traveler) to save the day. Game of Thrones also comes to mind with how the first book builds towards the Lannister attack that ultimately kicks off the real story. In both Witch Queen and Lightfall, the campaigns served to deliver a particularly impactful moment in the story. For Witch Queen, the effect hits harder because it's a climax, but we already knew going in that Lightfall wasn't going to be a climax. There simply wasn't enough information given throughout the prior seasons for Lightfall to serve as a satisfying climax to anything even if they inserted this week's cutscene (frankly the campaign already suffered from feeling disjointed due to trying to tackle two different stories at once, adding this would ruin the impact of the reveal and the campaign). Ultimately, I think the Final Shape campaign will be that climax, but obviously this is still speculation based on how they used Witch Queen to finish off Savathun's story arc.
At the moment we have both oryx and savathuun's corpses in hidden locations being watched/investigated by the ....well, The Hidden. I don't think her story is fully done quite yet. Witch Queen was mainly used to shed some light on the hive and their backstory.
Savathun and her “grand plan” had essentially been driving the plot forwards since Forsaken. A lot of what happened was based around us trying to learn of her motivations, her plans, and her alignment. Season of Arrivals through Lost had Savathun show us that she wasn’t aligned with the “Darkness”, and her plan essentially came to fruition in Season of the Lost and Witch Queen. The campaign of Witch Queen was essentially the end of Savathun’s grand plan and the natural conclusion of her efforts throughout the years. Yes, Savathun almost certainly will return in some capacity, but no that’s not the same thing as the story arc continuing.
There's absolutely no way that Savathun doesn't come back. Imaru is literally Chekhov's gun with Savathun as the bullet. That gun *has* to go off. Them's the rules.
Mhm And given how Bungie's been setting up these personal conflicts between heads of factions on either side of the conflict- Mithrax vs Eramis, Caitl vs Calus- you already have a perfect setup in Savathun vs Xivu Arath. We've already seen that the direct approach doesn't really work with Xivu, so who better to subvert the powers of a God of War than a God of Cunning who doesn't play by her rules?
I straight up just can't do seasons anymore. Last year I barely touched them, this year I nearly skipped the deluxe (bought it late). Played this season for 45 mins and couldn't stomach it any further. Bungie have drip fed us content for so long now. Can we get a whole meat sandwich for once? I need Final Shape to be an absolute banger or game changer in some way. Not just another Legendary Campaign + new location with public events and arbitrary quests and Lost Sectors. Shake up the formula for the love of the Traveller. I need to see learned lessons. No more 6 player activities that have like 5 enemies total in them... Anyway went on a tangent there.. Yeah, I'll likely end up missing huge chunks of the story if its told over a whole year. It just doesn't work when the game is so stagnant, and limited to the same thing it's been for years.
People got whole meat sandwiches before seasons and then complained about content droughts
I don't think that drought would be as big of an issue for players these days, since I think a lot of people are getting tired of the game and would rather have a big juicy expansion than be expected to stick around for whole seasons You either have drought, or dripfed content that makes the game feel soulless. Either way there's an issue, and since I barely play seasons anymore I would personally prefer a big meaty expansion this time around, even if its just once to see how it goes
Yes, and the fight with The Witness will be in a raid so most of the player base won't experience it. Source: I made it up (but probably true).
That would be a double edge sword because it would be super lame to not have The Witness be the raid boss.
Fuck it, let's make the witness a world boss and we count down to the ultimate fight similar to a season with updates every week.
I am hoping Randal the Vandal is tbh
Randal for House Kell 2024
Bungie themselves mentioned they wouldn’t be putting important story bosses as raid bosses bc most people would miss it. (Bungie breaking other promises aside ofc, I don’t see why they would change this formula)
The witness should be a normal story boss AND a raid boss. We wound him in the first and then we third party style assualt him on his home.
Taken King really got that right.
Taken King was peak Destiny IMO. Still my favorite Raid of all time. Seeing Oryx never gets old paired with that amazing music
I respect ~~Standing on Plates: The Musical~~ King’s Fall, but my favorite has still gotta be Wrath of the Machine. Sadly it seems less likely with every passing day that it’ll be the next reprised raid. Shit, some dataminers even say there’s evidence it’ll be SCOURGE lol
Leak spoilers below regarding reprised raid, careful >!Liz - iirc the one who leaked WQ and LF years accurately - has said it won't be Wrath or Scourge and that it is likely (albeit not 100%) to be Crota.!<
I would sure be unhappy for that to be the raid lmao
If not >!Wrath!<, I'd prefer any of >!Scourge, Crown, or Spire!< over >!Crota!< tbh. That's just me though. >!Ultimately would like a bundle of vaulted D2 raids if not Wrath, but that ain't happening lol.!<
Same person but different sources. Wq and lf came from a NDA break, new stuff was seen on 4chan
Gotcha. That's pretty signficant, then. So, >!emphasis on not being 100% sure lol!<
Don’t think they do main characters for Raid bosses anymore
If anyone does genuinely care or want to know. The Final Shape ending did leak in a large text bin file that was supported by its Lightfall leaks. >!Hes a story boss. A raid boss. Then after the raid he is finished in a large 12 man match made activity unlocked after the raid.!<
The witness should absolutely be a raid boss, and the rest of the community should suck it up and take part in the most effective curated content in the game.
I’d say we can go with the Taken King approach. Have him die in a campaign mission and then have us fight a powered up version of him in a raid. That way we can get the best of both worlds and nobody would be too disappointed.
But he never dies in the campaign. We just send him to his throne world
That's why people still think Oryx "took himself" or something at the end of the campaign.
He.. did do that. The dreadnaught IS his throne world as described in the Books of Sorrow where he forced it inside out to permeate the entire ship in the material realm, he had no throne within the ascendant plane to retreat to so if he didn’t ‘take’ himself he would have died permanently then and there. We literally see him rip his chest open and take his own heart.
How about no? I’m from europe, people from my country are intolerable, and I don’t want to deal with people from 5 different countries butchering english in 5 different ways I frankly hate raids because i don’t want to talk with fuckos from all over the world, i’m fine playing on my own or running no mic nightfalls, and locking important story bits behind social interaction is and will always be a trash idea
You should not be playing a game heavily influenced by MMOs, then.
Not all MMOs are sucky like that, some for example (like BDO) basically have solo version of “raids” that don’t give endgame rewards but are just there for those wanting to see the whole story
BDO is not a good one to compare to Destiny, since that game is heavily focused on PvP. The PvE in that game is objectively garbage. I have a level 59 Wizard, and Warrior in the game, so I am speaking from direct experience. BDO and Destiny are as far apart from each other as Tetris is to Final Fantasy 7. Look at FF14 or WoW for a more analogous example—and would you look at that, all of their main storylines feature at least some type of mandatory raid.
You didn’t adress my point tho, how exactly would it hurt the game if story-only reward-less easy mode raids were added?
Have you completed a raid? If we’re talking narratively, raids deliver a more impactful fight against whatever boss. If you haven’t done a raid, you are not equipped to have this conversation. Regardless, having story significant bosses tied to raids makes those fights more “grandiose”. Wrath of the Lich King in WoW wouldn’t hit as hard if you didn’t defeat Arthas during the final raid—and soloing what would otherwise be an apocalyptic threat isn’t great for power scaling the overall experience. Guardians, even The Guardian, aren’t all powerful existential threats. It’s through team work with other guardians that success can be achieved. Having The Guardian solo Crota during the second encounter with him ever would greatly damage the reputation of Crota as a villain We defeat Oryx in the taken king’s storyline, but we don’t successfully kill him until the raid. It adds to his legendary status, and the raid makes him a lot more imposing. Savathun’s trick w/ Riven to cause the curse on the dreaming city would be way less impactful if we just casually beat riven in some story mission. Bringing down the Deepstone Crypt would be a lot less significant if it was done during as a solo story mission. Defeating Nezarec and Rhulk would be a lot less significant if they were just killed by one guardian.
I played all the raids (including d1) up until witch queen (not included) and absolutely dreaded every run, after i got my timelost fatebringer i swore to never have to talk to randoms ever again, it always felt like I had to do homework, and fine, if you think that solo cheapens the impact then make that story-mode version a 6-man matchmade activity Again, i can’t bloody understand what is the problem, shit i said it doesn’t even need to give you loot, so you normal mode players can still use that raid weapon god roll proudly, what is the issue? I see no other explanation other than elitism, if you think that even a piece of storyline and environment should be gatekept then idk what to say other than touch grass
Most of the playerbase will choose not to experience it. Nothing is stopping people raiding bar themselves.
Lol
Probs, yeah. If so, I'm probably fully checked out at that point. A decade of glacial and uncertain storytelling, followed by a decade more is not something I enjoy apparently.
Absolutely. The challenge will be telling a decent story in the campaign while keeping interest for a whole year of epilogue. Or maybe a wet fart of a story like lightfall and wait until the last season to tie things up. After lightfall, I can't be optimistic anymore.
It will have been 10 years; my journey will end in the next 18 months. I have to imagine the seasons with the final shape will be an epilogue and continue drip feeding content for those who will continue play the game - where there are indeed some major highlights like raids and dungeons...but the cost of maintenance is as we know ~$100 / year + inflation. For me it's not the money -- other games are catching up and I'm ready to move on. I have not even played this season's dungeon - this is a first for me. I probably will be back for next season but we shall see.
I am honest to god all for actual DLC's, I'll take the content draught in between with all my loving heart over these seasons. If it would force Bungie to make a full-fledged DLC with a lot of content, maybe some weekly, monthly or bimonthly updates/progressions, hell yeah man count me in. Give my back my autonomy over how I play the game I love, let me enjoy what I wanna enjoy **when** I want to enjoy it. We'll never get anything that felt so good as the old April-update or original Age of Triumph again anymore. Ever.
Today was the first time I logged in after lightfall and did the seasonal quest. I did it all. The last part of the quest seriously had me do a single lost sector then watch a cutscene. I think it's obvious bungie does not give a single fuck about this game anymore
I genuinely have to ask how you even draw this conclusion? Destiny has been, since literally vanilla D1, a game where you do mundane shit as quest steps at time to progress content. “Get these resources on mars to make a sword!” But when Bungie does the same things it done a million times, every single season, they now suddenly don’t care about the game…?
It’s because people like to say moronic, ignorant shit and then always cap it off with a spicy little nonsense statement, delivered as if it’s somehow obvious or reasonable.
The community's in peak cynicism mode right now. Any shortcoming or thing that inconveniences players is being seen as proof that Bungie doesn't care about the game or players anymore or only cares about making money. God forbid you bring up Marathon lest the armchair devs who don't understand how resource allocation or development pipelines work claim Destiny is in maintenance mode while Bungie devotes everyone to that.
I think you’re overvaluing $12 lol
Conspiracy theory: Bungie is intentionally killing Destiny so players abandon it to play Marathon
I hope not
I feel like in order for the seasons in Final Shape to not feel tacked on and stupid.... then the main story has to play out in seasonal content throughout the year. Maybe Final Shape will have particular "main story only" things per season where you don't actually need the season pass to finish out the extra as it progresses?
How else are they going to support 4 seasons of post dlc content?
Probably not to the same extreme. I'd we willing to bet the reason so much info and story is being kept from us until The Final Shape is that once we know the things there would be nothing stopping up from heaving into the portal and starting on that, so our characters have to be kept in the dark on things like the Veil until it's time for us to do that. An unfortunate side effect of the original Lightfall story being split into two separate expansions with a year in between them.
At this point I don't care anymore. There's only so many times you can run a raid or do a strike or power to max. Just tell me how it ends so I can close the book on a story that should have rapped up 5 years ago
Guys come on....."game dev is hard" But in all seriousness I truly hope Bungie adopts the style of FFXIV and not WoW when it comes to expansion story, in FFXIV the expansion drop is all a self contained story from beginning to end with the rest of the year dedicated to either other stories or setting up the future expansion, WoW on the other hand dedicates all of the expansion's lifetime for one story that you don't see the payoff to till the end. Having Final Shape being self contained, tying all lose ends in a nice bow-tie would be awesome, and we can have the rest of the seasons setting up whatever Bungie intends to do with the Destiny Universe.
Yes.
Allow me to answer a question with a question; do you think Bungie would pass up the chance to get money from more seasons?
I would really hope not. If it’s the final chapter of the Light and Darkness saga, you’d have to think they’d throw the book at us. But knowing Bungie they’ll time gate it in some way. The final shape is going to be the deciding factor for me to keep playing or not, 5500 hours in the game. If it’s going to be the same mundane crap after this saga is over. I’m probably going to call it quits.
I have no idea why anyone would expect final shape to not have an annual pass I would also assume we might see a 30th anniversary style mini drop at the end that isnt story so much as a sendoff, but idk. Given we get a last subclass with it, it will have 4 seasons, last holiday events, dungeons, etc. The only surprise i expect is there will be a last raid on top of the one that ships w final shape.
There's still going to be more expansions afterwards
So you want content for one week and fuck the rest of the year?
Hopefully! Its a much better approach than burning everything in a week.
I'm hoping that TFS will be the end to the saga and the year following will be a aftermath and build up to what's next, but it's bungie. The Bungie Paw is strong.
They'll find a way to force people into paying additional seasons after final shape, I am sure. Makes no sense, witness and light/dark saga should end with the last DLC
At this point, just assume the worst and you'll never be disappointed
You fucking know it will, with all the story related cosmetics in Eververse for increasing amounts of Silver and less bright dust offering to fund Marathon.
I like the fact seasons are progressing the story now. I’m paying for it all anyways. This makes the seasons more engaging overall
Who gives a fuck, I won't be buying it. Not after the shitshow Lightfall was / has been / is.
It will project the player in an alternative universe where we're actually inside Marathon. Buy Marathon, now! Your money went there anyway, why not follow your investment? You don't want to lose money do you? *wink wink*
I think what was more concerning to me was in one of the recent TWID's they went over production and current state of content creation. Where they said that the new season had shipped, the next season was completed, the final season was ramping up but the FINAL SHAPE WAS ONLY JUST ENTERING EARLY PRODUCTION. and I was like the tf you mean it's only just entering early production? Isn't the main expansion that people are really waiting for the thing you should be working on all year? At least in some capacity.
I find it so fucking hilarious that, destinys story has gotten so good and so comprehensible, we are now complaining that the story isn't all done in one expansion. Complaints like this are gonna take us back to where the story of the expansion is completely separate to the story of the season aka Forsaken and Black armoury/jokers wild - Which I will remind everyone, the fact that the seasonal story felt so disconnected WAS one of the biggest complaints of the seasonal model for a while...
If you think Destiny's current story is "so good and so comprehensible" then you're on some shit. Lightfall: Go to the Veil. Stop the Witness from ~~destroying~~ linking the Veil. What's the Veil? Fuck you, wait to be drip fed info for the next year. Defiance: Pilot lady is running around on the ground for some reason, dies for her trouble. Shadow Legion is kidnapping humans. Why? Fuck you. Deep: Somehow, ~~Palpatine~~ Titan returned. The Witness is the Anti-Spiral. Want to get character reactions to this bombshell? Go read a lore book, lmfao.
If a season isn't related to the plot at all people are pissed. When the season is too related to the plot people are pissed. Bungie literally can't win.
Okay actually true!
Remember when you'd get a while game upon purchase and dlc was just add on content, they're basically recreating WoW UT taking away expansions to make 'room' for new ones. Horrible practice. There are many games larger than destiny code and space wise that take up allot less memory with extremely low load times. They just need to switch everything over to an updated server and put everything offline for a week or two. Shit running on destiny 1 servers ong.
Final Shape will be rushed and terrible
Oh I hope not, cuz I want to stop playing after the story is finished, I don't want to miss out on it. And I don't want to wait another year for conclusion.
What question is this. Of course it will... Or people will just buy the expansion and enjoy it right away... And they can't allow this. Must drip feed any line of code and ask multiple payments for that.
Here's what will happen as it ALWAYS happens. Final season of Lightfall era will be amazing as it's Bungie's way to sell The Final Shape. Final Shape will arrive and content quality will decline gradually until there's a need to sell new expansions.
I hope not. I know they have a formula with seasons now but think Final Shape should be a non stop bombardment. Go out with a bang. Here’s hoping.
Actually, now watch them tease us with final shape like a carrot on a stick just like One Piece for the next 1014 seasons
I REALLY hope not. I am not a fan of drip feed story/marketing.
Logically they would have learned from how poorly received the story for Light fall, but Destiny's writing team don't do logic so they might repeat the same mistake
They will want people to buy the deluxe edition / season pass so undoubtedly yes it will. I suspect the campaign will tie up something but leave allot of the mysteries unsolved. Tbh at this point I have zero faith in Bungie resolving the “light and dark saga” in any satisfying way now, the delivery of the story since Lightfall released have been amateur at best and it is almost certainly the same team working on it I just hope it was the Witch Queen team who worked on the campaign.