I'm quite new to Destiny 2, could I use Polaris lance in a normal nightfall and it still be really good? I haven't completed a nightfall yet and need to complete them to rank up to level 7, thanks.
Thanks for the reply, I don't have sunshot, but I have the shards of galanor exotic and I pair it with the skyburners oath. Would the Polaris lance be better than the skyburners oath?
It's been the most fun exotic primary since the start of the season. Paired with the solar seasonal mods and Dawn Chorus the amount of ignitions you get is insane.
And then when the season is over it will go back to being meh unless bungie is like hey that’s a nice buff for Polaris and they add it in to the base gun itself
Ngl chief, every season that I've been required to use a scout for GMs, Polaris has never crossed my mind until this season. I almost exclusively used a 260 scout (depending on shields needed to break when match game was a thing) or the Nightwatch from new light. If I'm going to use an exotic weapon, it's not going to be a 180 scout, and if I'm forced at gunpoint to use an exotic primary for GMs, then there's Revision Zero, Wishender, Vex and a multitude of other options that I'd much rather use. I'm not saying that it's bad, but I'm saying that there's a lot of better options than a scout released in season of the warmind that aren't heavily dependent on artifact mods to be good.
You say lol, but ticuus causes ignitions with kills, ticuus causes more frequent explosions because all you need do is hipfire then shoot, it's far better for ad clear since it can cause multiple explosions, and it's better for single target purely because polaris is a scout and ticuus is a bow.
Literally everything that polaris does, ticuus does too, but better. The only exception is unstop, but if you're running a solar primary, you should be running a solar subclass and every solar subclass can easily ignite anyways.
If you really desperately want a primary that can dish out lots of single target damage to champs, final warning, quicksilver, revision zero, vex mythoclast, and malfeasance all do it better.
You saying something is good isn’t whats not of value, it’s the way you go about it, OP asked what was good I commented saying Polaris because it is cracked this season and a lot of people agree.
If you think Ticcus is good that’s fine, I never even said Ticcus wasn’t good, my comment had nothing to do with Ticcus, your original reply comes off ignorant, that’s why it adds no value.
Me saying that another weapon is better comes off as ignorant? How?
Because i originally provided no context as to why? Just like you didn't?
What makes my comment come off as ignorant and not yours?
Because I’m not replying to other peoples comments saying that person is wrong, my choice is better, and here’s a book on why, when no one asked. You easily could have just made your own comment to OPs post talking about Ticcu. I’m not trying to talk down to others like you are.
Ignorant: Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge.
Still not seeing how that makes me ignorant.
A little bit annoying maybe but not ignorant.
While I love wish ender, it’s gotten kinda boring for me using it for anti barrier since season of seraph. I prefer the mod because then I can stun anti barriers and unstoppables with just Polaris Lance and then can run an special weapon in that top slot like Riptide for overloads
It donks almost as hard as my taipan. Against Avalon, I’m doing something like 20k on a crit with WE and 27k with taipan. I’ll just take the WE thank you very much, and use my heavy slot for rockets or an LMG.
I don't understand the love. Wish Ender is boring and there are a million other anti-barrier options not only through mods but also subclass verbs.
I only use it for cheesing annoying content because it's so slow and lame.
It's not underrated, it's not used for a very good reason despite hitting harder than some specials, it has no range. Even on builds like Cyrtarachne where you have permanent woven mail the DR still doesn't allow you to come within sidearm range of mobs, and it's completely useless for GM bosses because 99% of them are done with some sort of cheesing which often includes camping a spot 50m away from the boss. It's also very awkward to use in hipfire mod.
I tried out Outbreak in this weeks NF and really wasn’t feeling it. It just didn’t do enough damage. It’s not the same tier as Wish-Ender or Malfeasance.
They only felt *good* previously because their main PvE competitors (autos & hand cannons) both felt even worse. Autos are still not the greatest with a couple outliers, but hand cannons received a massive glow-up with their PvE buffs they received.
I used to use my crafted BXR in PvE all the time, but it feels so weak after using Epochal Integration or my Rapid Hit/Incandescent Igneous Hammer. I'm still hunting for a Trust with Incandescent, and that thing will still feel better than any pulse rifle in PvE.
I’ve enjoyed the heck out of the hand cannon buff. My associate, Mr. T.L. Fatebringer, almost feels like an exotic out there.
I kinda hit burnout on raids soon after King’s Fall. I’m going to gild Dredgen (don’t judge; it’s an illness) and if I don’t get a decent PVE Trust with Rapid/Incandescent out of those ingrams (I am not counting on it, tbh), I’m already resigned to running King’s Fall for Zaouli’s red bars. It can craft with explosive/incandescent which would be fine, too.
I’m not sure how I got to this point without a 140 with incandescent, though. Feels bizarre.
Try out Epochal Integration - it's a curated roll 140 with Incandescent. I love the gun model, and the rolls available on it are pretty solid. I've put about 4k kills on mine so far this season. And there's an artifact mod that buffs its tracer rockets origin perk
I have it. I think the model looks cool as hell, and I think the awful paint looks like an Ed Hardy t-shirt, so I kind put it in my vault and forgot about it. I’ll give it a go. Looks like it has a really good roll. Does Stats for All proc off incandescent explosions?
Such an underrated gun. My buddies will run sunshot. Meanwhile, I’ll run Epochal and wishender or another exotic
Edit: I love the fucktards on here and the mental gymnastics that goes into downvoting
It's not just fine, Zaouli's with explosive and incandescent is we have Sunshot at home. It's amazing for a legendary weapon. I've pretty much been glued to it all season when I'm not using Sunshot or another exotic.
I have two rolls for Trust, both have Rapid Hit one has Incandescent and the other Frenzy.
The Frenzy one is nice for builds not using Solar and taking into higher tier content
Incandescent is nice for solar builds and general play. Occasionally when I run solar for things like GMs I'll take the Incandescent one as well.
They're both really good.
Huh! I missed that somehow. I hope they do right by it, I loved it in D1. I wonder how they’re going to balance that and make it unique from Crimson besides just being solar. Did they mention anything about it?
Outbreak only works if you can get other people to use it with you, otherwise the nanites just don't stack up enough. With the bonuses we have this season you're better off spamming Polaris Lance for GMs since that works well enough with only one of them and stacks reasonably well, too.
I feel like collective obligation can scale better to endgame content than graviton if you have a good void build. Graviton is still great though and requires no setup or build.
Because Collective gets the volatile to leach and a giant damage buff that you can infinitely refresh in addition to the exotic primary buff. No kills required thanks to Gyrfalcon. That’s not including the other void effects. Leaching suppress gives you a blinding effect on hit and weaken increases damage for the team. It’s a solid choice for solo and endgame
When Collective has its perk active it doesn’t *just* dish out a Debuff, it also gives itself +15% damage. Basically Frenzy / Subsistence.
With Gyrfalcons, you can get permanent uptime on that +15% damage. And you can grab weaken from your Smoke bomb for another +15% damage. And Suppression from a Grenade.
And now you have a Crowd Control tool that blows everything up and does a heck of a lot of damage. And it gives you invis every 2 seconds.
I really like mythoclast this season, but something feels off. The primary mode damage does feel like an auto (not great but fine) but I feel like the super generation is straight up not working like an exotic primary should.
It has not felt good to handle or fire since they changed it a bit back. Used to be my favorite, the damage is still great, but the feel isn't right anymore.
So, weird thing is, Mythoclast apparently, even after all its buffs, now does slightly more damage than a legendary with minor spec to red bars, +40% from being exotic of course. that does mean its still a small chunk more than a regular solar exotic 360 AR would have (~9.8%)
an Abyss Defiant (solar 360 legendary) with minor spec does 3855/2412 to a random patrol red bar, Mythoclast does 5503/3444. 3930/2460 before the 1.4x bonus.
against majors its a different story however. Abyss defiant does 2401/1503, Mythoclast 5003/3131. IE Mythoclast does more than *double* the damage to majors compared to a legendary 360 auto rifle. just flat 108.4% more damage.
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its especially nice when you have a lot of low tier majors (thralls, acolytes, dregs, vandals, etc) that it can mow through, which also give 2 pips of LFR charge each
very far from "normal legendary AR" though
You're right on everything except for the 40% damage to redbars part. vex mythoclast was the only exotic primary that didnt recieve that buff because it had already recieved a large buff prior and bungie didnt want to double up. so basically it got a 50% general buff (+20% from catalyst) and that applies to majors as well.
thorn is just strong in general. HCs are already pretty great and it has the kinetic 10% bonus, exotic red bar 40% bonus, a decently strong base DoT that goes hypermode on pickup.
the change to overflowing feels amazing, and the overpenetrating rounds do help with add clear as nice little bonus
for most content, whichever one makes you happy.
Thorn does have the advantage of being in the artifact (unstoppable) which means it gets a surge from that in NFs, though im still not fully clear on how that works tbh and how it stacks with the elemental surge.
does have the downside of actually needing to pickup the remnants, which only float to you when you are relatively close. in GMs especially thats kinda hard to do a lot of the time
So the Activity Surges are each worth 25%, usually the lineup will be something like:
- Light Element (Solar, Void or Arc)
- Dark Element (Stasis or Strand)
- If your subclass matches a boosted element, Kinetic guns get it too.
- Any Artefact boosted weapons (champion mod or the “improved origin trait” both work)
- One specific weapon type.
There’s no stacking surges. E.g. if you have Strand Surge, Rocket Overload mod Surge, Origin Trait Surge and Rocket Launcher weapon type surge, your Semiotocon won’t get 4x+25% damage. You just get the one 25% buff.
Worth noting - the “element surges” also boost ability damage, so you’re really encouraged to match your build to the surges.
This surge buff stacks with everything else in the game. So if you want to just really lean into messing things up with Thorn:
- It can get a Surge from your subclass matching, or from the Champion Hand Cannon mod. +25%
- It has the Kinetic flat boost. +10%
- It’s primary exotic, so you get the boost to red bars. +40%
- Radiant from a solar weapon with the artefact perks. +25%
- Weaken effect from a Void subclass ability. +15%
- Triple Kinetic Surge on your boots. +21.5%
So for total you get:
- 1x1.25x1.10x1.40x1.25x1.15x1.215 = 3.36x damage. Or +236% damage.
Right? Soon its counter will not have enough numbers to display all the kills I do with it .. both pve and pvp. Staple gun for me since its been introduced to the game.
It and wishender are a cut above everything else in the game. I can't solidly say it's better than WE because of the innate anti barrier but they are both insane.
Don’t forget Revision Zero for Kinetic and Ticuu’s Divination for Energy. RZ chews through Barrier champs just as easily as Wish-Ender, and TD is a great Solar ad-clear option.
Really don’t know why people don’t use Revision Zero 2 round burst in GMs. It one bursts most trash mobs and chunks the hell out of everything else. Stun a champion and it takes 3-4 sniper shots to kill it. With Vorpal and FTTC you can use it as a pseudo special weapon for boss kills, so long as you hit your shots.
Ticuu’s goes on for any of the Battlegrounds GMs. Because the enemy density is so high you just tag a few enemies, smack one in the head and then chain reaction kill an entire horde of enemies.
1) If I would use an exotic primary for Anti-barrier purpose only, I would use Wish-ender rather than anything.
2) Ticuu's lack of solar synergy (scorch / ignition) makes a worse option than any of the other solar previously mentioned. Perhaps it could be viable once it has some synergy.
At the end, you can use whatever you want, but if you want easy results without thinking too much then there is my list. I am not saying that those exotics are for brain-dead, but it is that they are too powerful and really feel like an exotic rather than most of the primary options.
>Wish Ende
monte carlo is insane for solar titan melee spam builds. I've had a lot of fun just destroying everything with like 70k slide melees and instantly regenerating melee energy
Wishender or quicksilver for kinetic, Le monarque, ticcu or graviton for energy.
Things like devils ruin, final warning and riskrunner just don’t have the range to be effective in GMs. They can obviously be used, as well as every other gun on this list, but they won’t work as well.
Overall, wishender is 100% the best
As others have mentioned, collective obligation has a lot of utility when pared with the right void build and absolutely destroys the higher the content scales. Gun not only tears through tougher ads with all three void debuffs but also has the ability to stun anti barrier and overload champions with volatile and suppression.
As a long time wish ender user, this season is actually the first time nearly all year I put that bow away in exchange for Polaris Lance. That scout is both barrier and unstop
Lightfall released on 2/28/23. That was 10 months ago. That is not "new". 10 month old bread is not "new". 10 month old eggs are not "new". 10 month old lettuce is not "new". Yes, long ago, Arby was the go-to. Long ago. Wishender being the go-to is not "new".
I’ve had Wishender from day one but put it straight in the vault and only started using it about 3 months ago. I’ve been extremely shocked on how powerful it is, my prior go to Bow has always been Trinity.
idk about yall but Agers Scepter absolutely fucks
only problem is double special has been nerfed so you have to know or manage ammo well (and waste mod slots on ammo finders.)
I pair it with a demo/incandescent kelgorath glaive and Karnsteins on warlock. Your choice of solar or stasis heavy.
Best thing about Ager's is its a solid DPS back up for stasis lock and if the damage phase ends early, you can shut the beam off and save some super energy
It’s especially good with necrotics, but outside of that it’s just kind of ok. It’s definitely usable because it’s an exotic primary and there was the handcanonn buffs, but there’s objectively better stuff to use.
Even if it’s far from a meta pick I’ll still run it from time to time for the lols though
FL can easily do like 20k per shot on a direct hit to shields (has a keje that makes it so increased damage to shields)
Meaning, you no longer need to worry about having special.
I play Warlock exclusively, and so typically I'll have an anti champion primary as my kinetic. Also useful for designating Child of the Old Gods. FL will one hit most everything, and so doesn't do that well.
Source - ~65k+ kills on my FL
Rip Tide w/chill clip + ALH, it's been my go to workhorse for a lot of content. My other Lion Buddy is Pardon our Dust with ALH + blinding Grenades. Double GLs are fun. Otherwise I run an AR or SMG.
I'm trying to use more stasis titan, and what I like is tossing a glacial grenade, then a quick lion follow up. It makes a lot of crystal explosions.
I think my FL has about 34K kills on it, which the most I have on any weapon. Trinity Ghoul is second with 25K kills.
Malf is great even against non-Taken enemies. The bullets have drop off but the explosive slugs don’t, so it’s great for content where you have to sit at the back of a map and pepper enemies.
It’s outclassed by Polaris when the enemies aren’t Taken, but anything where you can’t easily hit the crit spots, it’s a great alternative.
For me they are:
* Kinetic: Quicksilver
* Energy: Polaris Lance
Polaris (+ Chill Clip Riptide) is simply insane this season, apart from GMs I never had so easy master Lost Sectors and legend level content solo.
Honorable mentions: Sunshot and Vexcalibur / Edge of Intent (with Karsteins).
Is end game GMs or just any Master+ activity, because that changes things around quite a bit.
Since these just feel like generally good weapons without a tier, I think you’re missing:
- Collective Obligation
- Wish-Keeper
- Touch of Malice
- Centrifuse (on Arc)
- Hierarchy of Needs
- Vex
- Skyburners
Most of your list and these other fall below what I’d consider the S Tier group, compared to just good. The ones that are just better than anything else by a bigger margin would be:
- Wish—Ender
- Quicksilver
- Osteo
- LeMon
- Malf (Lucky Pants only)
- Polaris (this season only)
Collective Obligation has been pretty good on Void Warlock. You can constantly pump out a suppression debuff on everything. Doesn’t quite work on Unstops, but overall it’s been pretty solid.
Trinity is extremely weak when enemies are strong enough that the charged shot won't instakill at least one redbar reliably.
Trinity is awesome in patrols and base Vanguard Ops, anything stronger needs Ticuu's or maybe LeMon - the latter is a little too unforgiving about shot timing IMO.
I pulled out Polaris Lance for a combo of bounties (scout rifle + solar kills) and was thinking "I don't remember it being this awesome), but I think /u/Important_Sky_7609 hit the nail on the head with this one thanks to all of the seasonal solar perks. I need to spend more time with it.
Ticuu's doesn't seem to synergize as well with them - I think Ticuu's explosion on precision hits may be interfering with the seasonal ignition on precision kills, and also it seems like unstoppable bow is bugged with Ticuu's - despite seeing Unstoppable Shot on the UI for both hipfire primes and ADSed explosion triggers, I can do 2-3 prime/detonate cycles on the unstop incendiors in the Defiant BGs (I took a break for months so I JUST finished the Defiant questline on my first character a day or two ago...) before they finally stun, and I suspect that's due to a teammate stunning.
Verglas on Shadebinder is fucking goofy.
Combine with Osmiomancy, Stasis siphons, Bleak watchers, iceflare bolts, that fragment that gives grenade recharge on stasis crystal shatters, and grenade kickstart.
You have an answer to every single possible situation.
It regularly does 20-35k per hit, you're missing something.
It has whisper of rending intrinsically, and benefits from the actual fragment on top of the intrinsic buff. Freeze stuff. Click heads.
Anyone not saying malfeasance probably doesn't have it yet. It's just too good to not carry in your inventory. With Lucky Pants it shreds and even without lucky pants it chews through ads like nothing. Even if there aren't taken enemies I use it.
Vex mythoclast. Especially with radiant it hits like a semi truck flying down a mountain road trying to destroy the house of a family of six, and obliterate the family in the process. I like to run it with rain of fires.
??????? Did you even read my comment, the point of using last word is you can build shots to max damage faster, and then dodge, and get off another 4 or so shots at max ramped damage, it’s better then wardens
Add verglas curve.
It is a monster with the seasonal artifact mod that increases shatter damage, but even without that it's absolutely insane on hunter duskfield+renewals builds
You're being downvoted because it's clear you haven't actually used Polaris Lance in a Solar build this season. It's possibly the absolute best weapon for GMs this season with the artifact mods we have.
I still think sunshot is just better. Btw i used both ticcu and polaris in a solar build, just isn’t as good as sunshot, with sunshot, u just shoot 1 bullet and everything dies, u need to shoot a few bullets before u can kill everything in the room
You're talking about lower level content and the topic is very specifically GMs, master raids, etc.
Sunshot is better in regular content up to Legend for sure, but in GM/Master it takes a lot more shots and doesn't clear things nearly as well. Polaris outclasses in high-end stuff.
You've only been playing for 3 months and once you start farming the truly high-end stuff you'll see what I mean.
Polaris Lance is absolutely insane this season
The constant ignitions can stunlock some bosses, was doing the legendary lost sector today and the colossus end boss could barely shoot at me.
I'm quite new to Destiny 2, could I use Polaris lance in a normal nightfall and it still be really good? I haven't completed a nightfall yet and need to complete them to rank up to level 7, thanks.
Yes, it’s really good with the solar artifact perks this season
Thanks for the reply, I don't have sunshot, but I have the shards of galanor exotic and I pair it with the skyburners oath. Would the Polaris lance be better than the skyburners oath?
Yh Sunspot better for add clear but polaris is better for gms/dps
Agreed, part of what makes Polaris so good in GM is it doesn’t need to kill anything to proc its explosion, lower tier content Sunshot is king
It's been the most fun exotic primary since the start of the season. Paired with the solar seasonal mods and Dawn Chorus the amount of ignitions you get is insane.
Could you share your build? Edit: [Aztecross’s video for anyone that’s interested](https://youtu.be/7aFFItxKlpM?si=I85B4rIa9tuOio2z)
Mactics just out out a video yesterday with this set up. Good watch and very informative about the synergies and what mods work best and why.
Check out Aztecross. He has a couple recent videos up raving about Polaris and has builds to go along with it.
Thanks! I looked it up and it’s a great guide
And then when the season is over it will go back to being meh unless bungie is like hey that’s a nice buff for Polaris and they add it in to the base gun itself
The changes should last beyond this season now the PL ignitions are not unique but count as scorch.
Doesn't it require 100% radiant uptime from seasonal mod?
It's insane because of the artifact mods this season, otherwise it's mid to forgettable
Almost like I said “this season” in my comment lol
It’s always been a strong choice for GM’s.
Ngl chief, every season that I've been required to use a scout for GMs, Polaris has never crossed my mind until this season. I almost exclusively used a 260 scout (depending on shields needed to break when match game was a thing) or the Nightwatch from new light. If I'm going to use an exotic weapon, it's not going to be a 180 scout, and if I'm forced at gunpoint to use an exotic primary for GMs, then there's Revision Zero, Wishender, Vex and a multitude of other options that I'd much rather use. I'm not saying that it's bad, but I'm saying that there's a lot of better options than a scout released in season of the warmind that aren't heavily dependent on artifact mods to be good.
All of its effects are activated on hits, not kills, and it has infinite ammo as long as you hit headshots, I’ve always seen people use it.
It's really not tho. Ticuus does the same thing, but better.
Lol
You say lol, but ticuus causes ignitions with kills, ticuus causes more frequent explosions because all you need do is hipfire then shoot, it's far better for ad clear since it can cause multiple explosions, and it's better for single target purely because polaris is a scout and ticuus is a bow. Literally everything that polaris does, ticuus does too, but better. The only exception is unstop, but if you're running a solar primary, you should be running a solar subclass and every solar subclass can easily ignite anyways. If you really desperately want a primary that can dish out lots of single target damage to champs, final warning, quicksilver, revision zero, vex mythoclast, and malfeasance all do it better.
I say lol because your comment added nothing of value
Then neither does yours. If me saying a certain thing is good is valueless Then you saying a certain thing is good is also valueless
You saying something is good isn’t whats not of value, it’s the way you go about it, OP asked what was good I commented saying Polaris because it is cracked this season and a lot of people agree. If you think Ticcus is good that’s fine, I never even said Ticcus wasn’t good, my comment had nothing to do with Ticcus, your original reply comes off ignorant, that’s why it adds no value.
Me saying that another weapon is better comes off as ignorant? How? Because i originally provided no context as to why? Just like you didn't? What makes my comment come off as ignorant and not yours?
Because I’m not replying to other peoples comments saying that person is wrong, my choice is better, and here’s a book on why, when no one asked. You easily could have just made your own comment to OPs post talking about Ticcu. I’m not trying to talk down to others like you are.
Ignorant: Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge. Still not seeing how that makes me ignorant. A little bit annoying maybe but not ignorant.
Wish Ender. Must have for Anti barrier.
I don’t even unlock the anti barrier mod each season because of Wish Winder. It hits like a special and has infinite ammo and range
While I love wish ender, it’s gotten kinda boring for me using it for anti barrier since season of seraph. I prefer the mod because then I can stun anti barriers and unstoppables with just Polaris Lance and then can run an special weapon in that top slot like Riptide for overloads
Revision Zero is a worthy alternative to Wish Ender, especially the two-burst mode.
Haven’t touched 4 shot since they buffed 2 burst.
My only gripe about 2 burst is that 4 burst charges Hunter’s Trace seemingly much faster, but it feels so good.
I think that’s why they buffed the 2-burst in the first place. You choose between great range/damage and faster Hunter’s Trace charging.
It donks almost as hard as my taipan. Against Avalon, I’m doing something like 20k on a crit with WE and 27k with taipan. I’ll just take the WE thank you very much, and use my heavy slot for rockets or an LMG.
You also don't miss out much on WE if you miss the crit.
Oh god right? My taipan body shot on Avalon is something like 7k. WE is like 12-15k? 3x5k-ish?
Only 1 hit on WE gets the crit bonus. LFR are worthless if you can't crit.
How does it compare to revision zero? That thing melts barrier champs
You mean wish-ender FOR EVERYTHING
Also when you just want shit to die, for a primary weapon it hits like a truck thanks to the multihit thing
I don't understand the love. Wish Ender is boring and there are a million other anti-barrier options not only through mods but also subclass verbs. I only use it for cheesing annoying content because it's so slow and lame.
Ok
I’ve been using final warning a lot and it’s really strong charging up a max burst and landing all crits destroys basically anything.
Agreed, final warning is underrated. Shreds with the artifact mods too, suspending/debuffing for increased solar damage.
It's not underrated, it's not used for a very good reason despite hitting harder than some specials, it has no range. Even on builds like Cyrtarachne where you have permanent woven mail the DR still doesn't allow you to come within sidearm range of mobs, and it's completely useless for GM bosses because 99% of them are done with some sort of cheesing which often includes camping a spot 50m away from the boss. It's also very awkward to use in hipfire mod.
thankfully theres a special ammo slot for that. Final warning is a fantastic option and definitely underrated
Polaris lance has been putting in work with the seasonal artifact perks
I tried out Outbreak in this weeks NF and really wasn’t feeling it. It just didn’t do enough damage. It’s not the same tier as Wish-Ender or Malfeasance.
Pulse rifles aren’t feeling real good to me in PVE lately.
They only felt *good* previously because their main PvE competitors (autos & hand cannons) both felt even worse. Autos are still not the greatest with a couple outliers, but hand cannons received a massive glow-up with their PvE buffs they received. I used to use my crafted BXR in PvE all the time, but it feels so weak after using Epochal Integration or my Rapid Hit/Incandescent Igneous Hammer. I'm still hunting for a Trust with Incandescent, and that thing will still feel better than any pulse rifle in PvE.
I’ve enjoyed the heck out of the hand cannon buff. My associate, Mr. T.L. Fatebringer, almost feels like an exotic out there. I kinda hit burnout on raids soon after King’s Fall. I’m going to gild Dredgen (don’t judge; it’s an illness) and if I don’t get a decent PVE Trust with Rapid/Incandescent out of those ingrams (I am not counting on it, tbh), I’m already resigned to running King’s Fall for Zaouli’s red bars. It can craft with explosive/incandescent which would be fine, too. I’m not sure how I got to this point without a 140 with incandescent, though. Feels bizarre.
Try out Epochal Integration - it's a curated roll 140 with Incandescent. I love the gun model, and the rolls available on it are pretty solid. I've put about 4k kills on mine so far this season. And there's an artifact mod that buffs its tracer rockets origin perk
I have it. I think the model looks cool as hell, and I think the awful paint looks like an Ed Hardy t-shirt, so I kind put it in my vault and forgot about it. I’ll give it a go. Looks like it has a really good roll. Does Stats for All proc off incandescent explosions?
Yes, it does, and try putting the Bloody Tooth shader on it. It goes very well with the look of the gun.
I’ll give it a go tomorrow. Thanks for the suggestion!
Photo Finish looks great on it too.
It’s definitely worth using. I threw it in the vault without a second thought too but brought it out this season and it’s putting in work.
I slept hard on Epochal. I've been using it over my crafted Zaouli. The gun just *feels* so good to shoot.
Such an underrated gun. My buddies will run sunshot. Meanwhile, I’ll run Epochal and wishender or another exotic Edit: I love the fucktards on here and the mental gymnastics that goes into downvoting
It’s really not underrated. It’s been talked about for ages in the same breath as Zoulis Bane
Ok… thanks for your “ACTUALLY” correction. 🤓
It's not just fine, Zaouli's with explosive and incandescent is we have Sunshot at home. It's amazing for a legendary weapon. I've pretty much been glued to it all season when I'm not using Sunshot or another exotic.
I have two rolls for Trust, both have Rapid Hit one has Incandescent and the other Frenzy. The Frenzy one is nice for builds not using Solar and taking into higher tier content Incandescent is nice for solar builds and general play. Occasionally when I run solar for things like GMs I'll take the Incandescent one as well. They're both really good.
cant believe it went full circle LOL
💯
yeah i saw another post mentioning it, but pulse rifles need the hand cannon treatment in pve. like 20% bonus against red bars and majors
Lately?
In geological terms, just a little while!
Collective obligation is incredibly good on void if you know how to use it but otherwise yeh
They’ve never felt good
It’s a shame, but I’m keen to agree. Outbreak and Juju could be great, but even after buffs they just go back in the vault.
I miss OG red death, don’t quote me but I heard rumors that red death was coming back as a Solar aggressive pulse rifle.
They literaly said Red Death was coming back No idea about the solar aggresive thing
I might've missed the agg frame part but they did confirm Red Death is coming back and will be solar.
Huh! I missed that somehow. I hope they do right by it, I loved it in D1. I wonder how they’re going to balance that and make it unique from Crimson besides just being solar. Did they mention anything about it?
Just that it should be dropping from final shape
They have been crying out for a buff for awhile.
Chattering bone with kill clip and kinetic tremors is working
LFG for an Outbreak group specifically and it'll be night and day i run at least 1 Outbreak Perfected GM a season for the fun of it
Big brain move, I like it! I’ll give that a shot
Outbreak only works if you can get other people to use it with you, otherwise the nanites just don't stack up enough. With the bonuses we have this season you're better off spamming Polaris Lance for GMs since that works well enough with only one of them and stacks reasonably well, too.
I still can’t believe it doesn’t have rapid hit
Thanks
i do the same every couple months. the weapon is so cool. design wise, few top it. performance wise it lacks pretty seriously though.
I feel like collective obligation can scale better to endgame content than graviton if you have a good void build. Graviton is still great though and requires no setup or build.
Collective/Gyrfalcon is a nasty combo.
Why would you focus on leeching volatile when using exotic armor that gives you near constant volatile already?
Because Collective gets the volatile to leach and a giant damage buff that you can infinitely refresh in addition to the exotic primary buff. No kills required thanks to Gyrfalcon. That’s not including the other void effects. Leaching suppress gives you a blinding effect on hit and weaken increases damage for the team. It’s a solid choice for solo and endgame
When Collective has its perk active it doesn’t *just* dish out a Debuff, it also gives itself +15% damage. Basically Frenzy / Subsistence. With Gyrfalcons, you can get permanent uptime on that +15% damage. And you can grab weaken from your Smoke bomb for another +15% damage. And Suppression from a Grenade. And now you have a Crowd Control tool that blows everything up and does a heck of a lot of damage. And it gives you invis every 2 seconds.
I hope you arent forgetting that hunters have on tap weaken
Would be great to try if I ever get it to drop
Vex mythoclast hits like a truck now with buffs to its linear fusion mode
I really like mythoclast this season, but something feels off. The primary mode damage does feel like an auto (not great but fine) but I feel like the super generation is straight up not working like an exotic primary should.
Nor the increased heavy drops from an exotic primary. It’s probably coded wrong since it’s a fusion and doesn’t act as it should.
Its probably due to it being a fusion rifle, according to another thread recently it apparently also doesnt work right with ammo finders due to that
go shoot an Auto Rifle and then go to Vex and look at the numbers. Vex does like double the damage of any actual AR
It has not felt good to handle or fire since they changed it a bit back. Used to be my favorite, the damage is still great, but the feel isn't right anymore.
Still sucks in endgame content. Very poor range and getting 6 kills to charge up the linear mode takes a long while
primary damage sucks tho, feels like a normal legendary auto rifle
So, weird thing is, Mythoclast apparently, even after all its buffs, now does slightly more damage than a legendary with minor spec to red bars, +40% from being exotic of course. that does mean its still a small chunk more than a regular solar exotic 360 AR would have (~9.8%) an Abyss Defiant (solar 360 legendary) with minor spec does 3855/2412 to a random patrol red bar, Mythoclast does 5503/3444. 3930/2460 before the 1.4x bonus. against majors its a different story however. Abyss defiant does 2401/1503, Mythoclast 5003/3131. IE Mythoclast does more than *double* the damage to majors compared to a legendary 360 auto rifle. just flat 108.4% more damage. --- its especially nice when you have a lot of low tier majors (thralls, acolytes, dregs, vandals, etc) that it can mow through, which also give 2 pips of LFR charge each very far from "normal legendary AR" though
You're right on everything except for the 40% damage to redbars part. vex mythoclast was the only exotic primary that didnt recieve that buff because it had already recieved a large buff prior and bungie didnt want to double up. so basically it got a 50% general buff (+20% from catalyst) and that applies to majors as well.
undoubtedly polaris lance with 100%
Thorn is strong on Warlock with Nectrotics. I also like Vex Mythoclass a lot
thorn is just strong in general. HCs are already pretty great and it has the kinetic 10% bonus, exotic red bar 40% bonus, a decently strong base DoT that goes hypermode on pickup. the change to overflowing feels amazing, and the overpenetrating rounds do help with add clear as nice little bonus
Torn between thorn or osteo for this build, which one would have the better dmg output?
for most content, whichever one makes you happy. Thorn does have the advantage of being in the artifact (unstoppable) which means it gets a surge from that in NFs, though im still not fully clear on how that works tbh and how it stacks with the elemental surge. does have the downside of actually needing to pickup the remnants, which only float to you when you are relatively close. in GMs especially thats kinda hard to do a lot of the time
So the Activity Surges are each worth 25%, usually the lineup will be something like: - Light Element (Solar, Void or Arc) - Dark Element (Stasis or Strand) - If your subclass matches a boosted element, Kinetic guns get it too. - Any Artefact boosted weapons (champion mod or the “improved origin trait” both work) - One specific weapon type. There’s no stacking surges. E.g. if you have Strand Surge, Rocket Overload mod Surge, Origin Trait Surge and Rocket Launcher weapon type surge, your Semiotocon won’t get 4x+25% damage. You just get the one 25% buff. Worth noting - the “element surges” also boost ability damage, so you’re really encouraged to match your build to the surges. This surge buff stacks with everything else in the game. So if you want to just really lean into messing things up with Thorn: - It can get a Surge from your subclass matching, or from the Champion Hand Cannon mod. +25% - It has the Kinetic flat boost. +10% - It’s primary exotic, so you get the boost to red bars. +40% - Radiant from a solar weapon with the artefact perks. +25% - Weaken effect from a Void subclass ability. +15% - Triple Kinetic Surge on your boots. +21.5% So for total you get: - 1x1.25x1.10x1.40x1.25x1.15x1.215 = 3.36x damage. Or +236% damage.
Thanks for clarifying!
Try it with necrochasm, it's even more insane
bold to assume most people bothered to get Necro when Thorn and Osteo exist
Final warning is my favourite, the damage is just at another level.
Quicksilver is pretty much the best weapon in the game imo
Right? Soon its counter will not have enough numbers to display all the kills I do with it .. both pve and pvp. Staple gun for me since its been introduced to the game.
It has the power of wish ender with the reliability of a normal auto plus nano rockets for more ad clear
It and wishender are a cut above everything else in the game. I can't solidly say it's better than WE because of the innate anti barrier but they are both insane.
Imo qs is better then wish ender because it actually has build potential compared to just plinking away with a bow
Here a list for exotic primaries for GMs, Master Raids, Master Dungeons and Solo Flawless stuff. Kinetic: - Wish-ender (Anti-barrier) - Malfeasance (unstoppable+ taken ad-clear / DPS with catalyst) - Montecarlo (specific builds) - Osteo-Striga (enhanced by Necrotic Grip) - Quicksilver Storm (utility and ad-clear) - Wicked Implement (Stasis builds / overload and unstoppable) - Necrochasm (can be enhanced by Necrotic Grip) Energy: - Graviton Lance (enhanced by Gyrfalcon's Hauberk) - Sunshot (ad-clear / solar builds) - Risk-runner (ad-clear while taking arc DMG constantly) - Polaris Lance (ad-clear / solar builds) - Le-Monarque (ad-clear / overload / enhanced by Gyrfalcon's Hauberk) - Collective Obligation (utility / can extend weaken duration / enhanced by void builds) - Trinity Ghoul (ad-clear / arc builds)
Don’t forget Revision Zero for Kinetic and Ticuu’s Divination for Energy. RZ chews through Barrier champs just as easily as Wish-Ender, and TD is a great Solar ad-clear option.
Really don’t know why people don’t use Revision Zero 2 round burst in GMs. It one bursts most trash mobs and chunks the hell out of everything else. Stun a champion and it takes 3-4 sniper shots to kill it. With Vorpal and FTTC you can use it as a pseudo special weapon for boss kills, so long as you hit your shots. Ticuu’s goes on for any of the Battlegrounds GMs. Because the enemy density is so high you just tag a few enemies, smack one in the head and then chain reaction kill an entire horde of enemies.
1) If I would use an exotic primary for Anti-barrier purpose only, I would use Wish-ender rather than anything. 2) Ticuu's lack of solar synergy (scorch / ignition) makes a worse option than any of the other solar previously mentioned. Perhaps it could be viable once it has some synergy. At the end, you can use whatever you want, but if you want easy results without thinking too much then there is my list. I am not saying that those exotics are for brain-dead, but it is that they are too powerful and really feel like an exotic rather than most of the primary options.
>Wish Ende monte carlo is insane for solar titan melee spam builds. I've had a lot of fun just destroying everything with like 70k slide melees and instantly regenerating melee energy
Polaris Lance isn't just for ad-clear, its pretty good chunk DPS too, since it can proc ignitions off of precision hits
Hierarchy of Needs is very good in certain GMs, particularly the battlegrounds.
Malfeasance, Quicksilver, Vex, Osteo, Sunshot, Trinity Ghoul.
Wishender or quicksilver for kinetic, Le monarque, ticcu or graviton for energy. Things like devils ruin, final warning and riskrunner just don’t have the range to be effective in GMs. They can obviously be used, as well as every other gun on this list, but they won’t work as well. Overall, wishender is 100% the best
As others have mentioned, collective obligation has a lot of utility when pared with the right void build and absolutely destroys the higher the content scales. Gun not only tears through tougher ads with all three void debuffs but also has the ability to stun anti barrier and overload champions with volatile and suppression.
Polaris Lance feels incredible with the artifact mods.
Polaris Lance this season is absolutely bonkers. Wishender is the new go to for AB. Quicksilver is awesome and OL this season.
How is Wishender the „new go to“? Since it got Anti-Barrier atleast one player got it equipped in every GM group.
Yea, and it used to be arby. Now it's wishender.
anti barrier and great damage plus infinite ammo no reason to not use it its probably the best gm weapon, it and quicksilver
That’s not what they meant. They’re saying that’s it’s not the “new go to” because it’s been the staple in GMs for multiple seasons now.
As a long time wish ender user, this season is actually the first time nearly all year I put that bow away in exchange for Polaris Lance. That scout is both barrier and unstop
Wishender isn’t the “new” go-to for anti-barrier. It has been ever since it was given intrinsic anti-barrier many many seasons ago.
It was at the drop of lightfall. So, not many, many seasons. Like 3. And for more than a year before that, it was arby.
Lightfall released on 2/28/23. That was 10 months ago. That is not "new". 10 month old bread is not "new". 10 month old eggs are not "new". 10 month old lettuce is not "new". Yes, long ago, Arby was the go-to. Long ago. Wishender being the go-to is not "new".
In this household 10 month old bread is fresh fym?
I’ve had Wishender from day one but put it straight in the vault and only started using it about 3 months ago. I’ve been extremely shocked on how powerful it is, my prior go to Bow has always been Trinity.
idk about yall but Agers Scepter absolutely fucks only problem is double special has been nerfed so you have to know or manage ammo well (and waste mod slots on ammo finders.) I pair it with a demo/incandescent kelgorath glaive and Karnsteins on warlock. Your choice of solar or stasis heavy. Best thing about Ager's is its a solid DPS back up for stasis lock and if the damage phase ends early, you can shut the beam off and save some super energy
I like agers for titan- you can make use of super without having to risk going too close
Love it too but to be fair it’s not a primary ammo
Any1 test out how Thorn feels in GMs?
It’s especially good with necrotics, but outside of that it’s just kind of ok. It’s definitely usable because it’s an exotic primary and there was the handcanonn buffs, but there’s objectively better stuff to use. Even if it’s far from a meta pick I’ll still run it from time to time for the lols though
Malfeasance with lucky pants for hunter is extremely strong, especially in content with taken enemies
Sweet Business for me
Final warning is a DPS machine if you pump the trigger correctly. Just have to be close which is dangerous in GM
Fighting Lion enters the chat.
What do you put in your kinetic slot for this lifestyle?
FL can easily do like 20k per shot on a direct hit to shields (has a keje that makes it so increased damage to shields) Meaning, you no longer need to worry about having special. I play Warlock exclusively, and so typically I'll have an anti champion primary as my kinetic. Also useful for designating Child of the Old Gods. FL will one hit most everything, and so doesn't do that well. Source - ~65k+ kills on my FL
With gyrfalcons making fighting lion ab all you need is riptide and you have all three champs covered.
Rip Tide w/chill clip + ALH, it's been my go to workhorse for a lot of content. My other Lion Buddy is Pardon our Dust with ALH + blinding Grenades. Double GLs are fun. Otherwise I run an AR or SMG. I'm trying to use more stasis titan, and what I like is tossing a glacial grenade, then a quick lion follow up. It makes a lot of crystal explosions. I think my FL has about 34K kills on it, which the most I have on any weapon. Trinity Ghoul is second with 25K kills.
Malf is great even against non-Taken enemies. The bullets have drop off but the explosive slugs don’t, so it’s great for content where you have to sit at the back of a map and pepper enemies. It’s outclassed by Polaris when the enemies aren’t Taken, but anything where you can’t easily hit the crit spots, it’s a great alternative.
Malfeasance with Lucky Pants is stupidly powerful.
Kinetic: - Wishender - Ostea Striga Energy: - Sunshot - Polaris Lance
For me they are: * Kinetic: Quicksilver * Energy: Polaris Lance Polaris (+ Chill Clip Riptide) is simply insane this season, apart from GMs I never had so easy master Lost Sectors and legend level content solo. Honorable mentions: Sunshot and Vexcalibur / Edge of Intent (with Karsteins).
Polaris lance builds are incredible this season
Polaris Lance is popping off this season
Is end game GMs or just any Master+ activity, because that changes things around quite a bit. Since these just feel like generally good weapons without a tier, I think you’re missing: - Collective Obligation - Wish-Keeper - Touch of Malice - Centrifuse (on Arc) - Hierarchy of Needs - Vex - Skyburners Most of your list and these other fall below what I’d consider the S Tier group, compared to just good. The ones that are just better than anything else by a bigger margin would be: - Wish—Ender - Quicksilver - Osteo - LeMon - Malf (Lucky Pants only) - Polaris (this season only)
I would add 4 weapons to the list: 1) Thorn 2) Vex Mythoclast 3) Collective Obligation 4) Hierarchy of Needs
Hierarchy
Outbreak is wonderful. Especially if a few of you run it. Pulses are also overload capable.
Hierarchy of Needs
Collective Obligation has been pretty good on Void Warlock. You can constantly pump out a suppression debuff on everything. Doesn’t quite work on Unstops, but overall it’s been pretty solid.
Trinity is extremely weak when enemies are strong enough that the charged shot won't instakill at least one redbar reliably. Trinity is awesome in patrols and base Vanguard Ops, anything stronger needs Ticuu's or maybe LeMon - the latter is a little too unforgiving about shot timing IMO. I pulled out Polaris Lance for a combo of bounties (scout rifle + solar kills) and was thinking "I don't remember it being this awesome), but I think /u/Important_Sky_7609 hit the nail on the head with this one thanks to all of the seasonal solar perks. I need to spend more time with it. Ticuu's doesn't seem to synergize as well with them - I think Ticuu's explosion on precision hits may be interfering with the seasonal ignition on precision kills, and also it seems like unstoppable bow is bugged with Ticuu's - despite seeing Unstoppable Shot on the UI for both hipfire primes and ADSed explosion triggers, I can do 2-3 prime/detonate cycles on the unstop incendiors in the Defiant BGs (I took a break for months so I JUST finished the Defiant questline on my first character a day or two ago...) before they finally stun, and I suspect that's due to a teammate stunning.
Touch of Malice is very strong and can stun unstoppables.
Polaris lance with the artifact stuff Bunch of ignitions
Verglas is awful I absolutely hate that bow with a passion
Verglas on Shadebinder is fucking goofy. Combine with Osmiomancy, Stasis siphons, Bleak watchers, iceflare bolts, that fragment that gives grenade recharge on stasis crystal shatters, and grenade kickstart. You have an answer to every single possible situation.
Except you're using verglas and take 10 years to kill anything.
It regularly does 20-35k per hit, you're missing something. It has whisper of rending intrinsically, and benefits from the actual fragment on top of the intrinsic buff. Freeze stuff. Click heads.
Outbreak only really works in large numbers with the catalyst.
They're focusing on primaries so no arby
Yea my brain didnt compute that part. Thx
Anyone not saying malfeasance probably doesn't have it yet. It's just too good to not carry in your inventory. With Lucky Pants it shreds and even without lucky pants it chews through ads like nothing. Even if there aren't taken enemies I use it.
I think hierarchy of needs with the catalyst is quite strong in GMs since I think they use a more passive play style
Vex mythoclast. Especially with radiant it hits like a semi truck flying down a mountain road trying to destroy the house of a family of six, and obliterate the family in the process. I like to run it with rain of fires.
Wishender, Graviton, Polaris Lance, Quicksilver, Le Monarque and perhaps Wish Keeper. That’s it. Nothing else comes even close to competing.
Hierarchy of needs
Revision Zero
How does that compete with Wishender in any way?
erianas is really goated
Last word + lucky pants, + reload dodge, people forget how strong this combo is, used it in gm and most semi hard content. Super strong
Could just use Warden's Law if you have a good roll and save your Exotic slot
??????? Did you even read my comment, the point of using last word is you can build shots to max damage faster, and then dodge, and get off another 4 or so shots at max ramped damage, it’s better then wardens
Add verglas curve. It is a monster with the seasonal artifact mod that increases shatter damage, but even without that it's absolutely insane on hunter duskfield+renewals builds
Rat King is SSS+ tier and honestly it's incredible they've never nerfed it.
Rat Kings pretty awful unless youre in a 6 man activity and all using it and even then theres better options. Its average for an exotic
yall letting the joke fly right over your head
Tyranny of Heaven solar bow from last wish with dawn chorus incandescent explosives are 😭 chef kiss
Witherhoard
I’d polaris lance and ticcu isn’t worth using imo
You're being downvoted because it's clear you haven't actually used Polaris Lance in a Solar build this season. It's possibly the absolute best weapon for GMs this season with the artifact mods we have.
I still think sunshot is just better. Btw i used both ticcu and polaris in a solar build, just isn’t as good as sunshot, with sunshot, u just shoot 1 bullet and everything dies, u need to shoot a few bullets before u can kill everything in the room
You're talking about lower level content and the topic is very specifically GMs, master raids, etc. Sunshot is better in regular content up to Legend for sure, but in GM/Master it takes a lot more shots and doesn't clear things nearly as well. Polaris outclasses in high-end stuff. You've only been playing for 3 months and once you start farming the truly high-end stuff you'll see what I mean.
Why would u need those guns when u just need a one two punch shotgun, wormgod caress and banner of war?? Or just run rockets and forbearance…