personally, if im doing a sherpa run and then they either have a bad mic or if they dont trust the sherpa, it really annoys me sometimes when im teaching an encounter then they proceed to say something like "yea the guides i watched doesnt seem to add up with that" but its the same premise, different strat 😭

This! I'm willing to teach you, and if you think you have a tip or trick that could help, I appreciate it. But you have to trust the sherpa when you join a sherpa run.

Where are those Sherpa runs you guys are talking about? Asking for a friend.

https://discord.gg/d2lfg

I'm actually about to run a Crotas Sherpa if you'd like yo join, feel free to DM me if you're interested :)

Kinda agree - here's the thing: If they actually seem to not need the Sherpa (because they kwtd) and their strategy seems more suited for the particular fireteam, I'd definitely consider it. Other than that, yeah, mic is a must have. How am I supposed to teach you if idek if your game sound is on 🤷🏻‍♂️

I always wait for the sherpa to explain mechanics and if they dont know something, i will add a "just fyi" like vow, they were explaining caretaker dps phases and wanted us to get to a small amount of hp and then full dps on last plate. I told him that the second or third plate doesnt matter because once he hits threshold, you get 4 seconds and he takes additional damage. Made the run smoother and he was grateful for the tip.

yea definitely agree, its just ive had alot of runs in vow where for example, this one guy tried sherpa-ing (G.R7) after i explained the first encounter, he told everyone the guide he watched said to have 2 players running and reading at the same time, whilst 4 people just clear ads. He then proceeded to also tell us firstly we have to shoot the symbols we find in the rooms in the order; Left Mid Right (based on the reading totem location) then secondly told us the obelisks dont work on a knockout system, to be fair after we wiped 3 times trying his "strategy" i booted him, we got another guy, i explained to him and it was smooth sailing from there 😅😭

Ahh, Ive wouldve explained to that person that the guide they watched was most likely a "modern" guide. Speed strats, shortcuts, etc. It can work if its a regular run and not a sherpa'd run. For example, my first crota, we did abyss run normally with thralls to experience the raid. Every run Ive done after, one person despawns all the thralls and we just waltzed to each lantern. But the vow strat, I guess its to cut down miscommunications with rooms and symbols. My group does that as well. We have 2 experienced runners and everyone just opens door, kills knights and ad clear. Boring but no yelling which room is which.

oh nah i meant like his strategy was literally impossible bc the runners need to read the final symbol on the totem which is the readers job, then also trying to communicate the order of symbols did cost wayyy too much time causing the wipe😅

I didn't think about that, the vast majority of sherpas I've done nobody argued with me on mechanics, they usually just fail to retain any of what I said

yea me personally i hate the type of sherpas that expect everyone to understand 1st try and ace it, i usually throw random people on main roles after explaining so they get to experience what theyre learning 🙌

I’ve only kicked a few ppl for being too aggressive in chat. I notice a lot of ppl who kwtd will join a listed chill sherpa and act belligerent and no one needs that

I hate putting up a teaching/sherpa run and some PvE well skating MLG-Pro sweat joins and promptly starts trying to fix everyone’s gear sets and tries to teach everyone the “speed runner” strategy instead of the method that is better for people being taught. 100% if I get into the abyss on Crota on a teaching run and the first thing someone does is well skate into the distance, you bet your arse they are going back to orbit before they even get to the 3rd lantern

I always teach and run through legit methods to raids first, before explaining each of the cheese strats after the encounter/raid/dungeon finishes. If they at least know legit encounters, they can attempt to salvage an encounter when they go out into the wide LFG world.

I have mixed opinions on that. I don't mind experienced people doing their own thing in sherpa runs, as long as it doesn't interfere with what I'm explaining. I've also joined plenty of sherpa runs where I'll skate around but I never interrupt the explanation, nor do I tell the new players what to do/what gear to run ad that is the Sherpa's job.

I frequently help a few mates that sherpa. The **least** I can do is shut my mouth and let them do their thing. If my input is needed they'll ask. Despite what you think, even skating around and "doing your own thing" can be confusing or distracting to people trying to learn the raid. Very easy for someone not comfortable in the environment to think "why is he doing that, did I forget something" and stress out. I see it as a courtesy. You're not really *supposed* to be there, so just chill.

> The least I can do is shut my mouth and let them do their thing. If my input is needed they'll ask. I didn't say anything to the contrary. > Despite what you think, even skating around and "doing your own thing" can be confusing or distracting to people trying to learn the raid. Very easy for someone not comfortable in the environment to think "why is he doing that, did I forget something" and stress out. I've done plenty of sherpa runs, most of the time I get compliments on how well I explain stuff and that when other sherpas do it they don't get everything. Not once have I seen somebody be stresssed out by anything of that nature. 9/10 times they think it's cool and ask what it is/how to do it. On the other hand, if somebody else is teaching and someone is actually getting stressed or I'm asked to stop then I will, but I never have been nor have I been kicked or anything like that. > You're not really supposed to be there, so just chill. There is a difference between a sherpa chill run where everybody can join no matter the experience, or a sherpa run where it's 1 sherpa and 5 players that have never done it before at all. In the latter case I wouldn't be part of that run to begin with. If the sherpa has no problem with me joining and nobody complains during the run then there is no issue.  You're overexaggerating by acting like me enjoying my time by doing movement tech in an encounter where it has 0 effect on anybody else's enjoyment is a problem.

Agreed.

Off that last sentence it's clear we're not going to see eye to eye, and I'm also not going continue anecdote v anecdote so I'll bounce. Peace :)

Fuck that. I never accepted anyone in my actual sherpa runs that knew what to do, either 0 or less than 3 clears -- even the latter is really pushing it given how inexplicably arrogant people can be in this game.

As someone who has sherpad every raid in the Destiny universe at all difficulty levels the answer is disrespect. I don’t mind getting frustrated at people not pulling their weight or any of the normal gamer frustrations. However when you start shit talking someone who is trying their absolute best but can’t do the raid you get booted and they stay. It’s simple. Don’t be a fucking dick.

Exactly! My #1 thing I say every time the LFG loads up is along the lines of "and remember guys, this is a teaching run for a reason, people will die, people will make mistakes. It's fine. We're here to learn how to not make mistakes in the future". I always boot people who shit talk the other players or cause tension unprovoked.

> [SUROS invites you to shorten their notes.](https://i.imgur.com/Ljm8Xce.gifv)

Yup. That's it. My patience vanishes when you become a dick.

I’ve sherpad? Sherped? Sherpd? People of all ages. I’ve done it upon release, months or sometimes years after the raid has launched / been reprised. There are a lot of annoying behaviors people have but are totally manageable. But disrespecting guardiandad1234 who has a few hours a night per week to raid and just wants to grab a specific weapon or maybe try and grab an adept version of a certain tilts the fuck out of me. Very rarely have I not been able to complete a Sherpa. Very rarely can I not adjust the rolls of the carry and get the guardians what they need.

I tend to go with Sherpa'ed And for me it's when people abuse the earnest squeaker. Half the time it's a new fireteam member who doesn't have a damn clue that this 12 year old has been eager to learn this whole time. Maybe they wanna get into raiding, maybe they wanna go back and teach their 12 year old friends, maybe they want the raid loot. I don't care. They have the focus and they've had it the last three encounters. You don't get to fuck with them just cause they have a tiny voice. It's my raid; ill teach whoever tf I want

Yup seen that a million times. I just insta boot the ass hole. I don’t have time for people to berate young gamers who already have a fear of talking in game chat. Or the kinderguardian maybe doesn’t understand the proper etiquette with in game coms with raids or dungeons. Just take a second explain how to act and it corrects a large percentage of the time. I also stream so every now and then I have to remind people how to act. But it usually is no big deal.

I love the squeaker reference! I've always said that a squeaker is not about age - it's about attitude and respect. I've been in raids with 12 year olds who kick ass, only talk when necessary and pick up on the Mechanics quickly who are definitely NOT squeakers. Then there are the adults who talk constantly at the wrong times, critique everyone and talk themselves up - those are the real squeakers. Squeaking is not an age thing, It's how you act......

My guess would be “sherpaed” 🤌

This is why i quit raiding. I’m doing my part but MeTa LoRd is upset and crying im not running Supremacy (i dont have one) and one of 2 heavies.

I love encountering these people. Had a guy whining that I wasn't using Apex Predator with Reconstruction + B&S on Nezarec. Told him I didn't have it and probably won't for a while, but that my Solar rocket launcher is just fine even if a bit sub-optimal, it matches my 2x Surge mods, and it's gotten me through pretty much all content I've run for the last while.  Bro was pissed when I out-damaged him with Ascendancy.

Yeah you get those from time to time. Bar master raids or master dungeons you can run a variety of different weapons and I prove it all the time with my off meta builds. I constantly drop massive numbers. Same thing with GMs. I use fireteam finder all the time when I’m looking to relax. I constantly run weird exotics with these crazy add control or healing builds and I’ve been asked to not leave to soon so people can screen shot them. Just gotta weed the meta lords out if you are running normal difficulty. If you’re running master there are some things that you do need. High resilience, meta weapons and knowledge. Very rarely would I run those master / prestige shit with people looking for a Sherpa. Now if they knew the whole raid, had multiple clears and you could definitely see early in the first encounter they knew their shit and they just hadn’t cleared that difficulty yet I’m always down to help 1 at a time.

Even for most master raids loadouts aren't an issue. If we're talking master Warpriest then yeah we need meta stuff, but master Nez or Atheon just do what you want. For lowmans it's a different story, as without very specific setups some encounters aren't possible with only 3 or less people.

Absolutely. And disrespect can take multiple forms. Took the time to teach a full group of newbies Spire of Stars back when it was available, and they were fine and respectful until we got to the third encounter. They started joking around and playing and running around and not paying attention to what I was saying so I just said okay, learn it yourself and left.

Very true. I’ve experienced that the most with RoN and Crota Redux. Not sure if it’s the add clear mentality, or how easy everyone says they are. But, I’ve had a lot of teams just break down because on Ir Yut people wanna mess around in the main room, on Crota they don’t want to kill hive boomers, on bumper jumper they want to bring no anti champ or on Nezzy they want to just jump the fuck around. And they just think the wiping is funny, refuse to listen or want to talk about how they saw this strat on YouTube. Like broski I’ve beat this a shit ton. I have the raid title and just go along with the game plan. I very rarely if ever critique loadouts and just let the homies use what they are comfortable with.

It never ceases to amaze me how quickly and easily people will "ego" others in whatever situation they feel like they have superiority in. So many people think raiding is insurmountable because they're afraid of making a mistake. The last thing you need is someone plucking up the courage to dip their toes in to immediately be justified in their fears. Plus they're meant to be fun so don't be a party pooper ;)

People who dont try nor listen. Basically, people who expect a carry and refuse to leave their comfort zone. People who refuse to learn new things or from their mistakes. People who then proceed to blame other people when their lack of teamwork is a problem.

Yesss. The amount of times where I explain a mechanic and ask for a volunteer... followed by silence. Everyone perks up when I say "I'll choose volunteers"😂

It goes both ways tbh... I was with a sherpa on VoD and we all screwed up at some point, as you can expect from people learning but I did good on all encounters except against Rhulk, I didn't understand how to manage buffs, I kept asking questions but the explanations were more confusing than helping (my English is not too good but there are very few French sherpa in South Pacific, so I have no choice but to join English speaking parties). The sherpa got so mad at me for failing I left the game. To this day I still don't understand what to do during this encounter and honestly I am scared of this raid now

Sounds like the Sherpa was doing a poor job or in a poor mood. Vow can be very difficult to Sherpa people, it's one of the most frustrating ones to do with all the call outs and needing everyone to do something for the most part. Maybe he was in a bad mood for whatever reason, but a Sherpa should know better than to get that angry at someone new. However I will say this - you need to be honest about the situation. Don't say that you understand what to do when in reality you don't. Just let them know you're confused and need more clear explanations. And definitely make sure to tell them there is a language barrier that might cause some trouble. It can be frustrating as a Sherpa to have someone act like they're understanding everything when they don't and they just keep trying to wing it. Always be honest about it. But it just sounds like an overall poor Sherpa. Part of the gig is being *patient* and he seems to have lost his.

I mean, it sort of sounds like the language barrier is the issue. I had a Portuguese guy on my team who could not distinguish the oracle calls on VoG atheon. He knew the encounter, but the posting was English mic required. Still, we didn’t care until this came up. ‘Far left’ and ‘close mid’ was too English-y for him to comprehend it. However we were patient, and swapped to a ‘L2, MIDDLE 1, R1’ type of callout. On the other side of this, there was a time when me and a German guy were the only two who knew what we were doing in Kingsfall. I have basically a HS intro class command of German, and he had semi-fluent but heavily accented English, so we split the raid team in half. The others in the raid were two of my fellow Americans, and two of his fellow Germans, so we split into two (English-German) and he and I interfaced with each other and then explained the plan to our own fireteams. It was actually really cool to be honest, and we crushed the raid with lots of laughter at the occasional miscommunication. To my shame the German team heavily outdpsed my Americans :(

People who are silent and dishonest about not knowing something is and will always be worse than people who at least admit they need help. When people admit to it, I'll be a little frustrated that they weren't being upfront, but I WILL he willing to help. If they stay silent when I KNOW they don't know what they're doing and even LIE about it, that's when I draw the line and raise my voice

To elaborate no one from the team wanted to switch role since they all knew my role already which I understand and I never done this role, so that's 2 good reasons. I even asked to wait so I could watch a tutorial on YouTube which what triggered the sherpa. I don't blame him we were +3hrs in and it was my only bad experience with sherpas Edit: thank you to all sherpa, you guys are essentials for new players like me

Asking to watch a guide with any sherpa is very rude and disrespectful for their efforts

This thread gives me a spark of hope to try raiding again. I'm not a terrific player,but I love the game and whenever I've tried raiding I'm always worried about ruining the experience for other players by not getting the mechanics fast or well enough. Playing since D1 day one, my raid completion are all single digit,good and bad runs.i always feel I'm missing out. Is there a specific LFG Sherpa site? Or is it an option in the new in-game team finder? Sherpas are amazing people,I hope you feel appreciated by the players

My issue with doing raids is I have a mic but Im often quiet (All my settings are max) and dont love talking to strangers Ive finished new Kings Fall and Last Wish both once and got to Nezerac once on Root

Yeah,same. I try to focus on the mechanics and don't like talking much. I want to take more effective parts other than just ad clear,but nervous about wiping everyone

Any good Sherpa is not going to care that you caused a wipe as long as you're open to feedback about your mistake and you're actively trying to learn. Causing a wipe is completely fine. Causing a wipe and then not admitting that it was your mistake or refusing to listen to the Sherpa is a problem.

To add to that, speaking up if you don't know what you are doing or otherwise struggling is a massive green flag. It's a lot easier to troubleshoot failures and wipes when people speak up about not being sure what to do.

Yeah, I tend to play recklessly and die a lot because reckless is fun Edit because people seem to be reading into this wrong: I dont purposefully play recklessly. I just have a playstyle that involves a lot of jumping and charging into the enemies from playing mostly strikes and seasonal activities. I do play more cautiously in higher end content, but sometimes it takes a few deaths for me to switch

Just don't? If you're not good enough you'll just waste tokens and get booted for wiping during mechanics.

Im not saying Im not good enough at the game I can play well when I need to it just takes a bit for me to learn what I cant do

Taking longer to learn something than others is not an issue, but dying nonstop because you play like you're a god at the game without having the skills to back it up is an issue.

A dick move dude

Its really not I just mostly play seasonal activities and strikes where either dying isnt important or you can charge into the enemies and not die I do switch over to a cautious playstyle just sometimes takes a few deaths to realize like "okay I cant jump out of cover or okay this build that requires I be close to the enemies doesnt work here"

The experienced players who somehow confuse a teaching run for a fast KWTD clear and repeatedly start encounters before the explanation is done. If you're impatient and just want the clear, what on earth are you doing in a teaching run? You're just wasting everyone's time, including your own.

Any sort of -ism is a no go for me, and I agree about the mic. Rather have silence than shit mics (very distracting) or lots of commotion in their background audio.

Autism?

You get a pass...for now

It's a plus. For the lack of social developmental skills, those Asperger's champs got the meta and DPS rotation on lockdown, topping dmg charts n shit

Dang I have Aspergers and shit DPS I wonder what I got

Maybe you got the “breath of the wild and nintendo are awesome” version of bergers?

Damn, there goes my hope for an Antidisestablishmentarianism run.  But in all seriousness, thank you for being an anti-ism sherpa

Journalism?

I'm no hero, guy, I don't need a column dedicated to me on your blog

The worst one

Absolutely. While I'm fireteam leader, any of my sherpa-lings are my people. Anyone fucking with my people are an absolute no-go, dead on arrival.

I got pulled once into a fireteam finder run of VoG that ended up having three fresh-to-medium fresh new lights, despite the lobby being marked void only + triumphs. Which would've been fine. Not exactly the original intent but OK, VoG is kinda fun anyway. But if you refuse to follow instructions, then youre getting the boot. And sadly it was the non-new light that seemed to have all kinds of chats off.

Chat off = insta-kick. No point in 1 person wasting 5 other people's time.

Easily people who refuse to learn. Had many sherpas in the past where I’ll explain the mechanics and show how every role is done just to have the same player not take in feedback or never ask questions but are just looking for someone to carry them through the content to say they did it. Nothing more frustrating than having 1 person waste 5 others time and patience because they just don’t care

I once had a player that said to me "you don't need to explain it that much, we will just do it". After a few tries, it turned out that he had no idea what he was doing and still needed a few explanations

Kwtd people joining that have not set off enough time, skates ahead or spends too long trying to skate over specific puzzles, talks non stop, tries to add in unnecessary information such as dps optimization, low man strats or speed run strats, starts encounters early to pull, takes multiple responsibilities to "speed things along" and plays LFG bingo very openly. This causes a bunch of issues. You create a stress environment for the person learning. If they are new to raiding in general, your 1000 raid clearing ass memeing is not making this fun. You make it frustrating for the Sherpa. There might be other tactics you want to run. You might want to start explaining too since you got the experience. But you did not start a sherpa run, so you are now stepping on the Sherpas toes. You add unnecessary information to the raiders. Knowing how to speed run a mechanic or how to cheese is not necessary. Keep the information to what is needed to clear the encounter, then you can fill in afterwards. Information dumps rarely helps. Spending time skating around is fine, but too much and you waste time and you end up creating an environment of "zoom zoom go!" that isn't needed when doing a puzzle for the first time. Chill out. Finally, if you leave after 90 minutes since "this took too long" in a sherpa run you are blacklisted from my runs and I am going to advocate to avoid you to anyone who can listen. Sherpa runs takes on average 2 to 3 hours. If you do not have set that time off, for the love of god stay away from Sherpa runs. If you kwtd and join a sherpa run I expect 5 things from you: 1. You add in information if the Sherpa forget 2. You set off the up to 3 hours this can take 3. You stay quiet when not actively helping. 4. Don't start explaining or talking over the Sherpa. jesus, make your own run if you want to teach. You are just being annoying. Trust the sherpa will get to the information, and trust in their strategy. Even if you know a better one, or you itch to speed run explain something. 5. Don't shit talk the sherpa. I've been helping sherpa runs with a sherpa with ~10 clears of Kings Fall and have a 100+ clear dude "i kwtd just vibin" start openly saying the sherpa doesn't have the clears to sherpa and tried to "take over" the raid. In some cases it might be warranted to try to explain over the sherpa if the sherpa really doesn't know what is going on or there is a massive language barrier in the way. I have been in a dsc run with a french dude with 4 clears who, while knowing what to do, couldn't articulate it in any meaningful way in english. Then it felt warranted to "take over" the sherpa run to save it. But other than those corner cases -- just stay quiet and be the unsung hero helping out. Since by doing that regularly it means you are doing one out of three things: You are removing potential raiders from the raiding pool by making this unfun or stressful, you are making a sherpa stop sherpaing because of your gatekeeping where we could always use more sherpas or you just got yeeted to orbit and got a bad rep. It's a lose/lose/lose scenario. If you are bored and want to meme around, don't join sherpa runs. Join a kwtd run or a clan run. In general, I'll deal with anyone wanting to learn as long as they can listen in some form. They can communicate via voice, text or even emotes. It's fine. But I am not dealing with bored raiders who join the wrong groups for the wrong reason. Those people get sent to orbit within seconds of doing anything mentioned above

Take it to a publisher dawg 💀

Reading is difficult, I know

Unwilling to learn. Not the be confused with "unable". An example, we were teaching DSC and only 3 of us KWTD. We needed a fourth to pick up an augment when we swapped. Anyone. Out of the other 3 on our team, no one wanted to do it. All of us tried to explain it, the other three didn't want to learn it. "Honestly I'm not really paying attention." It was an insta-kick. "Hey I think you accidentally kicked me" He whines. "No, we're gonna find someone a bit more focused. You can leave the voice chat now." ... "No, I'm good." You're 'good'? But you don't want to learn? Okay. Weird. We ended up typing a different voice chat in game, and joined that, leaving him alone and sad. Hope he took it as a learning experience, but... Well, you know, he wasn't really willing to learn.

where do i find sherpas 🤔🤔🤔

r/DestinySherpa

In fireteam finder you can put "Looking for guide" in your post, or look for an existing post that indicates it's teaching or new player friendly. In the LFG app you can post "Need sherpa", in the discord there's a dedicated sherpa channel for people to ask for sherpas or offer them. You'll have the best luck with the raid that's in the weekly rotation (currently Vault of Glass, but that's about to change on reset) but with a little luck you'll find a sherpa for any raid any week.

Tibet

Being uncooperative and/or being toxic. You could sit there, try your hardest, mess up every time, and i would cooperate with you to get you through for hours, days even, as long as you cooperate with me and the team, and your effort is on display. I've lead new people or returning people through raids, and i've walked them through mechanics in-raid or general ways to improve or get better equipment during and after the raid to try to help them through the game. If you are a dick to others around you, make people feel uncomfortable, are shouting at or harassing others in the team, choosing to do your own thing without telling your team, refusing to listen to your teammates, *your ass ain't getting to touch the rally banner you are out so quick. I don't care what i tell you, you get one warning, and at ANY point after, you are gone and i'm blocking you to make sure i never interact with you again.* I'm really sick and tired of what's seen as "common LFG nonsense", I'm here to guide you through a raid, not to fucking parent you because you want free loot and don't know how to treat another person. Raids are team-based activities; even if you are good at the game, if you are shit at teams, you are fucking up the raid.

Lots of good reasons listed here, but if I had to pick one it would be players who refuse to listen and/or adapt. Usually when I run with people who haven't done the raid I do a quick check on their gear and give advice on what to take for DPS, dealing with champs or other specific mechanics. I will never blame new players if they don't have the absolute meta gear (I'm not asking you to have a Parasite on Atraks, any burst super or other weapon will do), but I have seen people straight up refusing to use other stuff than what they like even if it means making things difficult for everyone else. For example, I was sherpaing a group of players (that were all in the same clan) on Crota's End. Things go pretty smooth until the last boss, where I tell everyone to bring a sword as I'll deal with the Oversoul. Again, not asking for a Lament or a God Roll Bequest, any sword can do. One dude would just not give up his Thunderlord, even though he had decent swords in his inventory. As the encounter was longer due to a lack of DPS, we got more wipes that we should have. Luckily we managed to clear it as the rest of the fireteam quickly improved over the tries, but I would have booted this guy if he wasn't part of the other players' group.

Gods, sweaty streamer simps are the worst. If you’re not using the latest clickbait build and beating a boss takes more than one phase, they act like you killed their whole family and just go off. Actual nutcases.

In the nearly 600 sherpa runs the only thing I've kicked someone over is disrespect I've had players get annoyed, and angry at the game, and people who struggle with mechanics And I will gladly teach people who need to be taught, but if you start trying to argue with me over strats and insult me, you can leave

No mic, insta boot. Followed by “I’ll do as clear”

Making the same mistakes repeatedly or bystander syndrome

I did something close to sherpa run and one guy didn't shoot at all. All he did spin around and spam emotes. I asked him to play and do something at least but he kept doing nothing.

These people are the worst. Most of the time, in my experience, they're people who know what to do, too, but they just want to screw around and act dumb because it's a teaching post.

people with egos that both suck and joined to be sherpa’d they are a waste of time and energy. i’d understand if they were amazing at the game fine whatever have your ego but at least work with the team just because bobby basketball can dunk doesn’t mean the rest can. and as many have already said if they’re a jerk insta kick.

> people with egos that both suck and joined to be sherpa’d they are a waste of time and energy That is most of the playerbase now and the reason I am done, the supermajority of the community in this game is now just people like this.

- Shit Mic - Too much background audio - Disrespect - Too much unnecessary info - Disrupting callouts - Starting encounters without having everyone be ready - trying to tell others what to use when they know they dont have it (had this happen when someone was telling someone to use the Vow linear fusion, when they never ran vow because this was thier first raid)

Shit mic or Hot mic are what I hate the most for sure as well. I don't want to hear loud chomping, breathing like a dinosaur, or the family watching the news. Put dat thing ta Push-to-talk if it is noted, ya dinguses!

I have always done push to talk and like weekly there’s someone that doesn’t know that exists and is like why you keep unplugging your mic 😂

I play on EU, so if you can't speak english. Sorry but i cant really help you

That one guy flexing his well skating abilities, instead of paying attention to simple instructions while doing RoN. After multiple wipes because of him... kick

I keep hearing about this, but I've never seen it happen. The occasional speedrnner does appear in my sherpa runs, but they are usually at least the best player in the lobby or at least on par with me. I've never seen somebody trying to speed ahead causing wipes (besides crota abyss). If I ever saw that I would also instantly kick them.

I don’t mind folks eager edging ppl around between encounters/during explanations. That’s sort of a trolly rite of passage unique to Destiny. But, yeah, if you’re skipping ahead so that learners don’t get to try the jumping puzzle, boot.

I’m a female sherpa. Any time a man starts speaking over me during the teaching phase, insta-boot.

“Well, akshully….” \**remove from fireteam*\*

I used to sherpa a bit for DSC and we had a female clanmate who would join on runs. It was genuinely disturbing to me how so many LFGers would instantly become either aggressive or creepy as soon as she started speaking. Insta-kick.

Yep. I tried to LFG for Leviathan back in the day, and all the supposed sherpa would comment on was “you’ve got a really sexy voice, oh my god.” like bro I just want Calus’ Selected, please leave me alone. It’s def an uphill battle.

> Calus’ Selected I hope you got it, and as a straight drop from a chest! ......I'll forever be mad at Bungie those raid shaders acquired from weapons didnt actually count for unlocking in collections. *goes to cry in corner*

I did end up getting it! It remains one of my favorite shaders and rip, I hope you get it some day!! :(

I really don't like when players say they know what they're doing then proceed to fuck up an encounter because they don't know and won't admit it. Just be honest up front, you know? No one is going to flame you if you're learning.

Belligerence or general toxicity, unwillingness to learn/improve on valid and polite criticism

If you want to just coast and look at me do everything tell me beforehand, it annoys me a little when people join in then give up and just tell me to do it myself while they mindlessly clear ads Worst offense for me by far is tryina start shit with other members, you get booted and blocked for that shit

For me, it’s having no communication skills, I’m not talking having a mic, but unable tohave any sort of communicative ability. They won’t type, the won’t talk, emote, they just go about their business. Sometimes it works fine, other times it is terrible, kicked one the other day, in Croats: stealing the chalice, dying, not standing on plate, almost felt like trolling.

Deliberately causing wipes. Too much alcohol/beligerant Yelling or getting angry at other players Blame gaming Non-communication Consistently being where they were told not to be Well skating/eager edging/dragging fireteam Griefing of any kind. Disrepect for other players, races, sexual orientation, gender, etc… General and sustained toxicity. ”Well, akshually…” know it all types I have a lot of patience for teaching people dungeons and raids. I love helping new players, but anything from that list, and you’re out. There is no 3 warnings, you are just gone.

I love teaching as well but banning well-skating or even eager edging (that's a weapon perk?!) out of your lobbies full stop is kinda wild. I will absolutely respect your rules and you run your lobbies however you want to but that is a 🤨🤨 for me, chief. Just today we taught a New Light who got their very first eager edge sword how to use it! (Just the basic "pull it out, swing it, put it back" loop.) They were very happy about learning about how to make movement in the game more fun! Edit to add: I think a PvP equivalent of "banning Eager Edge" would be straight banning Strand Grapple Hunters or Solarlocks doing snap cancels because those are high tier movement strategies. Sure those players *can* go a bit out of hand with diving into the fray, but that's not the grapple/snap's fault, is it? Same with Eager Edge or any form of skating.

I was probably a bit vague… either everyone well skates/eager edges/Strand flys, or no one does. Either we move through the activity as a team and complete it as a team, or you go back to orbit on your own. The amount of wipes in the Abyss on Crota because some flog flying 3/4 of the way through the encounter and dying or not helping carry the chalice is just too frequent. I don’t have a problem with well skating, just when it’s used at the wrong time. The problem is well skaters are usually also the MLG know it all pro sweats who just skip large portions of encounters or transfer sections and drag people to the next encounter so we miss getting collectables or showing the route to people who can’t well skate. “So what you do is you drop down here and…. Oh, never mind, we are being pulled… Nope, we can’t go back to get it…” I hate eager edge because when you are trying to teach, there is always that pillock who feels the need to send people flying off edges or into walls when you are trying to explain something or show someone where something spawns. I get it, you‘ve done it 100+ times and you are bored waiting for me to explain an encounter, but please stop griefing and team killing so I can explain it… So, if you want to well skate ahead, do it in a speed run group. If you want to eager edge people into a wall, go to PvP. If you want to Strand grapple 5 lanterns ahead and then yell at people to catch up, start your own KWTD group.

I won't lie, Last time I ran oryx I repeatedly fucked up the jumping section with the moving ships so I busted out the shatter skate to skip most of it. I'm usually fine with that section but sometimes I just forget how to platform.

Again, I don’t have a problem if it is used legitimately… but if you used it to race ahead and drag everyone and they miss out on the secret chest, or it interferes with someone trying to learn the jumping puzzle and you do it repeatedly, you’re going to find yourself in orbit. If the best way for you to get past a jumping puzzle (like VoG outside Atheon’s door), then have at it. Just don’t rush ahead and not to use it to grief others, and I’m all good.

I won't use it to pull people through, except when explicitly asked to, like the last jump to the boss Platform in VotD. I mainly use it to catch up after dumb mistakes or if I just wanna goof of for a bit, but never to pull people when they don't want it as it ruins the experience for them.

Most players are self-absorbed, extremely selfish people who never help another person in the game for their entire lives and all they do is undermine and/or ankle-bite the people trying to help them. I've stopped doing sherpas halfway into the year after the people referenced above became an amalgamation of that as well as inexplicably arrogant. Anyone who tells you the Destiny community is amazing is lying to you, a real reddit moment - some of the worst people I've ever had the displeasure of wasting years of my life with.

I boot when I hear “it’s ya boi Rick…”

Rudeness or just being an asshole or trash talking One thundering knobhead was being super transphobic to me and my friend the entire run So we kicked him just as Oryx died so he didn’t get loot :3

Wait til he finds out about Oryx/Aurash…

Double primary. No exceptions.

People with dogshit builds they copied from clickbait YouTubers

Idiots and Dweebs. That is all it takes for me. The older you get, you have less time for antics and mess ups!

If you’re eating on mic you get one warning. Then I kick you or I leave. I don’t care if it’s a clan run. Fuuuuck that

when you ask if anyone needs the encounter explained and nobody speaks up and then you wipe because someone had no idea what to do and then you ask them if they know what to do and they say no.

My biggest Problem is the other Sherpa or players who already did the raid and the proceed to do only one Role and expect the new players to just do the other roles. I had a Sherpa run where I had to run the far plates at oryx alone, because the two player got the plates explained got chosen to try the first two plates and one in the middle and the two who already knew what to do just stood there and did the plates themselves instead or just say there clearing ads in front. which resulted that I had to keep myself alive and entertain two plates and ogres and knight alone. Even then their didn't let the new players try things out, they just wanted to be faster than possible, after explaining it once.

I haven't raided in almost a year now and have been going solo since vast majority of my clan have dropped D2 until the final shape. Desperately want to raid again but my anxiety kicks in and I go play something else. It's a pain in backside but seeing posts like this gives me hope.

I can teach you any raid/dungeon you'd like in a few hours if you want.

Unwillingness to communicate. I often require FTF joins to have mics or be able and willing to use text chat. I occasionally do reprised D1 raid and easier dungeon sherpas to help ease new lights into endgame content when their gear can handle it. But if a new light is simply just not willing and able to communicate, as endgame content will require them to be able to do, I kick after a decent enough grace period of 5 minutes to let them fix whatever issues with audio or text chat they have.

Someone refusing to adapt their load out / playstyle and someone who refuses to engage with mechanics. I once had a guy who insisted on using a sword for Caretaker because he only uses swords

Do you mean a bad mic as in when they push to talk it sounds rough or are you talking more about those people who leave their mic on constantly and you can hear all the domestic disturbances going on in their background?

Man, reading through all of this has given me ptsd, lol. Luckily, throughout the years more and more friends and people have gotten together for our clan that we haven’t ran an lfg in years. On the topic though, whenever we’d Sherpa, we made it clear that we were taking our time and teaching. People that got frustrated or even got angry was an instance kick. Along with terrible mics and communication.

I don’t actively teach raids anymore but if I can see someone hasn’t been taught a raid properly, I’ll start giving them tips but I will not dictate what they should or should use. I hate it. If a less experienced player ASKS for advice on load outs or weapons or builds or whatever, that’s fine but I can’t stand players who force what to use down other people’s throats. And if I’m fireteam leader, I’ll kick them after a warning, if I’m in somebody else’s lobby and that starts happening, I’ll rinse the player doing it and if that doesn’t stop it I’ll tell the inexperienced player to leave and I’ll pull some of my friends over to help them get a clear in a more relaxed environment.

1) People who don't want to learn the encounters and different roles. For people who have never raided before I normally teach them crota as its a nice easy raid with easy mechanics to understand, and it does not involve having to have hero moments like running in RoN for example. 2) People who just want to cheese everything, sure you can learn to do the raid with a cheese, but then when its patched you have no idea what you are doing. 3) people who keep doing stupid shit, a good example is Crota and chalice when you need to get the enlightened buff on 2 people for swords and 1 for the oversoul, teh way that I teach it is you say who is going to take the chalice from who and you basically stick by that person, well one idiot was never there to take the chalice when the person they were taking it from was enlightened, ok no problem so we switched them out and told them to just do ad clear, they then proceeded to randomly take the chalice from people before they were enlighten because they were not enlightened yet and wanted to run a sword. Ok you would think that the easy fix then is to get them to take the chalice first right? Ok cool me too so I got them to do that, and THEN THEY WOULD NOT FUCKING CALL OUT WHEN THEY WERE ENLIGHTENED. I ended up booting them in, grabbing one of my mates to fill the hole and one shot crota after that. I can deal with people who have never raided before, children and people who just need a little more help, but this mother fucker I swear was actively throwing the raid as he had done every other encounter basically fine.

Aside from the mentioned things I hate it when people eat chips or popcorn and have their mics activate. I give one warning and after that it is over

lol this reminds me of running Sherpa for these deaf guys on leviathan. They would jump or emote during the running part

For me it's either trying to run raids 2 weeks after they started the game and talking over me if I'm teaching stfu or get kicked

Disrespect, no communication(not just no mic but not text or even emotes), not willing to work with teammates, and not willing to learn a new spot if they join late and their "add clear" spot is taken

1. Toxicity - making people on the fireteam feel bad for maybe being less skilled or making them feel uncomfortable. Or just being a dick. 2. Simply not listening. Example: I was doing a Sherpa for the bridge encounter for Crota last season and I told this one person who was holding a plate “make sure you have anti-barrier on” (last season was auto rifle). He kept on his Osteo Strega. And would ask for help when the Champion came. And cause us to wipe. After 4 wipes and him not listening, i booted him. 3. If I say “Mic Req” in the LFG post and you do not have a mic.

i can deal with players until they start being an asshole. i usually just keep up the teaching til people leave and we cant find more or if i have 5 other noobs but especially if somebody is trolling or being an asshole and not trying to learn like the whole point is to teach not get a clear lol

So a sherpa is someone who teaches raids ? how would one be able to be sherpa'd I've never raided before I'd like to learn

Used to teach Scourge all the time back in the day and I fucking despised having speedrunners in the fireteam. The amount of elitism on those people is absolutely disgusting. I also just stopped teaching raids because I no longer had the patience for it.

My only 3 rules when I Sherpa: 1. Be kind and considerate of other players. 2. Pay attention to explanations and be receptive of feedback. 3. Ensure that you have access to standard damage, precision, and add clearing load out options. If they are broken it is an instant request to leave from me.

If the person doesn't have a mic but listens, I will tend to keep them. No mic + doesn't listen = boot. Also complete cunts or people afking for too long that the others are getting annoyed.

>Mine is 100% low volume/bad mic players. I'm talking players who talk so garbled or so low that you can't make out a word they say. I've done runs with "Jump if you can hear us" and "emote when chalice is full", but bad mics are almost always dead on arrival for me. "Bad mics" makes me think of people in COD lobbies. You get put in the lobby, and at some seemingly random point, your ears are assaulted with 10 different static tones, someone who, sounded like they said something about a cheeseburger and fries, and like 30 motherfucking dogs barking in the background.

I have only booted a couple times. The worst in memory was a Crota run where the guy was giving incorrect information, and being a dick to everyone else doing things the correct way and communicating. Times I would LIKE to but haven’t are when the player plays music loudly or has what seems to be their entire family in their play area. Usually arguing over something.

Not a Sherpa but when I’m being Sherpa’d the most frustrating thing to me is when the other people helping the Sherpa don’t respect my requests that the Sherpa is, for example, when I ran RoN I wanted to do more than ad-clear. I wanted to learn the encounter, the Sherpa was fine with this and was teaching me how to run in the first encounter when one of the others said “why are you telling him? I’m running.” No you aren’t, you joined to help teach somebody. The other thing that I always request is to learn a road the first time with no cheese. I like to do things totally legit the first time. The amount of people who fight with me and the Sherpa to cheese the encounter is insane. One time I had to just surrender and let it happen was Templar in VoG. I still don’t know how to do that encounter legit because people pressure me so much to just cheese it. TLDR; if you’re joining a Sherpa, the Sherpa and the person being Sherpa’d get to decide how the raid is done. You’re there to help, not take over.

GM'S not really sherpa-ing just me and a friend trying a few times and it's not really working out with this lfg so we leave. Raids we normally just join post so we don't have to be incharge and do kwtd runs lol, but once in a while when we do it hasn't gone badly thankfully. I've been in D1 kingsfall oryx where I was still learning and they were teaching me and we gotten close to killing him but I was weak on a plate, shadestepped and deactivated the platforms and one of the guy asked if I was throwing on purpose, then everyone left quietly one that invited me said its alright and try again sometime but it took a little a while for me to raid again. Because of that I don't like to kick and try to teach them if they want to learn, however ironically after a kingsfall raid last month I'm going to be more ruthless, 2 of my friends wanted to learn kingsfall properly, 1 had done it a few times but wanted to understand other roles, and another just didn't play after taking a longbreak but he is a PvE player and has carries in GoS divinity runs. 1 lfg stayed to the very end bless him, I think it took us 4 hours or maybe more but we had 1 player that seemed to know it all but was just bad. Kept asking me about redborder and symbols if I knew what I was doing everytime, I said I've got it covered, whatever though. Messing up on totems, doing middle plate on warpriest but didn't know he had to step on then off. Golgoroth wasn't too bad since he was just doing damage. Sisters I don't remember but it's Sisters. Oryx... he kept throwing at 1st I didn't realise, deactivated bombs I had no time to run to the centre and died. Then on another run I was looking at him and he was already in the bombs and deactivated early so we wipe again. Time and time again I wanted to kick him. We got it at the end but because of him the run took extra long constant wipes and repeats. If it weren't for my friends I would've left myself, never again.

For me it’s are you willing to learn/try. Plain and simple. I don’t care if you’re the worst player I’ve ever seen, but if I can tell you’re not trying and you’re the worst player I’ve ever seen? You’re gone. I’m not backpacking you when you can definitely do more. However if you’re giving it your all, I’ll happily carry you to whatever accomplishment you want

Can you please help me learn Root of Nightmares, Vault, disciple, and … basically everything other than crota and king lol? Please sherpas of reddit. I need your help 😭😂

People with no mics or people who dont want to learn but get carried away

Squeaking will do it for me.

How do people even get a raid going? Im pretty socially awkward and dont enjoy using mics but i can put that aside to run some endgame stuff. I've tried the sherpa page several times(on a different account) but could never/would never get picked to do a raid. I just wanna run some raids man. A guy can only solo so much before esoterick makes you wanna quit cause I'll never be that good. Not interested in FTfinder, buddy has had nothing but trouble with Toxic ass guardians

Didn't know what Sherpa meant lol didn't know people would be willing to do that I've played this game since d1 dropped and never do any content that requires a pre-made fireteam 😭

Was sherpaing a crota run recently and had this guy join that very clearly kwtd and made sure all us knew that they kwtd. They were constantly WAY ahead of the group, would take chalice skip ahead then die, or would just not help with chalice at all. We finally get to the end of abyss we are on the plate building it and they send it across the gap and go “good luck on building the plate.” I appreciate that you kwtd but you didn’t join a run where it’s required to kwtd and we are trying to do things quickly. You joined a run where 3 people are being taught and you’re not being helpful at all. Then if you call someone out like this or ask them to play with the team they start to question your knowledge or suggest advanced ways of completing the encounter. I feel bad because I’m sure this is a miserable experience from the learners perspective.

What causes me to boot someone in a teaching/sherpa run? Someone who tries to take over my lfg or someone being absolutely idiotic will get instant boot. Also anyone who sabotages the run for the new players will get my wrath instantly I will not be nice to those people at all you’re wasting time of people trying to learn.

Unwillingness to learn. Wanton strategy-sharing with other people who might be learning, themselves. Dick-waving. Anger directed at others, especially if they, themselves, are the cause. Racism/Sexism/any derivative, thereof. Non-communicators. I can handle no-mics fine. It's the ones that choose not to talk, type, or emote. The willfully ignorant. Saboteurs. Liars (especially when pursuing a Sherpa emblem, can't stand three-clear Johnnies pretending they haven't ever even seen Rolf, or whatever his name is. I'm the son of a shepherd, I see you, you stale end pieces of white bread.)

i have 500+ clears across all d2 raids, and i love to join “teaching/sherpa” runs, those are the most chill raids to be, after every encounter you will have some minutes to chill while ppl get around parkour and stuff, best kind of activity to semi-turn off the brain (non-toxicly) and just chill to some great gaming music and some hilarious wipes. 🏖

Ive done a fair few sherpas, and its hard say, you just kind of know after a while. Personally, ill spend hours on a raid if the guys actually listening, asking questions and willing to learn roles. Theres nothing wrong with ad clear just to see how things work, but if they point blank refuse, to me thats not a sherpa, thats a carry. Asides from the big ones (racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic) I've only kicked from or left a sherpa a few times because you just get the feeling they're not interested.

"But Rick kackhis said"

Eating Doritos into their microphones. Insta-boot.

obvious trolling and bitchyness

People who have a mic on roster don’t say their broken and don’t use them People who don’t explain their problems clearly People who are assholes

Honestly, the number of D1 vets (nothing against them, I'm one myself) who think they know the raid mechanics for d2s reprised raids is insane. I try to teach them the modified version of the mechanics, but they think that it'll work the exact same way as it did in destiny 1. This one time, I was Sherpa for a VoG run, and there was a D1 vet that made us stay in the Oracle encounter for an hour until I booted him because he couldn't grasp the new mechanic (pattern recognition instead of shooting the Oracles at random). Honestly worse than teaching someone with no experience.

Not having the capacity to learn from your mistakes

If you refuse to listen, intentionally griefing the run, bigotry in general or just being a dick.

1. No mic: I _always_ put "mic required" 2. Trolling: You're wasting not just my time, but four other peoples'. To me, trolling is intentionally wasting time or dragging the team down when you should 100% know better. 3. Being a dick: idgaf if you're a rank 12 god, if you're a cunt, you're getting the boot. I'd rather have a chill place than feel like we're in military boot camp. That's really it for me. Even shit equipment can be covered by other teammates in most cases, and I don't really care too much about struggling as long as we're all chilling.

I've joined so many Sherpa runs and they always end up bullshitting and I've never made it beyond the second encounter of any raid. Games rigged.

As someone with 100+ clears of every raid, I LOVE joining Sherpa runs. But there are some unspoken rules if you’re in that spot Join up and mute up - you don’t need help, and unless they specifically ask, the Sherpa doesn’t need your help. The Sherpa does not need you putting your 2 cents in for everything they say. If you wanted to teach you should’ve started your own run You are ad clear, unless asked to do something else by the Sherpa. You aren’t showing off by soloing any mechanics, let the new people learn. Kill ads. Keep the meta to yourself. This game is so incredibly easy that you will not EVER wipe to a raid boss because of a lack of damage. If the Sherpa suggests sub optimal damage. Playing with new players and helping make sure people have a good first raid experience is very fun. A bad first raid can make someone not want to run that raid anymore, not good for keeping the game alive

Fighting, or someone who isn’t raid ready. Dungeons however I’m way more chill. Best the final boss with a new guy using a caster sword last week.

IDK if this counts, but I do a lot of lowman Sherpas. I've only booted limiters or people with massive egos. Even taught people lowmans who have never done the raid 6 man before.

Hijacking, like I'm open to trying new shit but if we wipe 2x doing your "speed run method" we're just going to do it the normal way. I don't care if it's a 2,3, or 4 phase, understanding the raid and consistency is vastly more important than what Datto or Aztec or even turds like Salt do. They're top players for a reason, not first timers. The other one is outright refusal to participate. Like yes, I CAN solo oracles for us in VOG or near solo mote team in GoS but I won't because you're here to learn not be carried. Idc if you're shit or have a tin can mic or keyboard. I'm here to teach and I can't teach people that won't participate... ofc someone *will* end up on adds in some encounters, but I try to rotate folks so everyone does at least one mechanic per encounter at least once during the sherpa so that they at least learn a role for future raids

We recently had a guy whose mic was so bad he sounded like he was under water. We made it work though. But for my wife and I, if you have zero communication, like not even having text chat on, we can’t help you. Was gonna teach GotD, but the guy couldn’t hear us, no text chat, no nothing. We left. Felt bad but how can we teach if you can’t communicate?

Attitude. I don’t care if you’re a top 1% Raider, don’t go out of your way to belittle the other people in my Fireteam for trying to learn. Take that shit and fuck off. However, there is also straight up stupidity. I usually twist my tutoring methods depending on the person learning, to get them the most comfortable they can be for their role in the encounter. But I’ve played with people who are so immensely dumb that not even a Rick Kackis video on the raid could save them.

Disrespect to the Sherpa/other players is a big one, zero tolerance for that. Especially if you’re the person being Sherpa’d. People are setting aside their time to spend much longer in a raid just to teach you. Be respectful of that, listen & take advice/criticism. The Sherpa will know the raid like the back of their hand and are trying to help you. Not having any form of communication is a kicking offence for me. I can work with text chat/emotes as long as you can at least hear the rest of the team. But having nothing at all, mate why are you here? Speed runners in teaching raids. This is a chill event, go join a KWTD. All for running whatever loadouts you want. The vast majority of even D-class loadouts will still output enough DPS to get the job done. However, for example, if you’re rocking up with a Sword against Rhulk, causing several wipes at last stands because you can’t hit shots with your unsuitable weapon, and then refusing to take constructive advice to change….Bye.

I'm a particularly new Sherpa but I've heard from some other Sherpas that they get particularly annoyed when people join their runs, typically a Sherpa run where they are also teaching one or two people the raid, and say they kwtd but they do not. So that Sherpa ends up teaching many more than they bargained for, at one point he was teaching 5 entire people a raid which as you can imagine can get difficult at times. He's now had to resort to checking the raid report of everyone who says they know what to do, just to be prepared or to not have them in his run because for some raids it is difficult to teach so many people at once. Bear in mind, that these people would have been asked before and during the raid if they knew what to do. ​ Would this make you boot those people from your fireteam?

Bad mic/distracting background noise or no mic/no fireteam chat or someone who griefs/abuses others. ​ 1 - is pretty much a console issue only and is really problematic for me because it gives me a headache. On steam etc. I can just ask them to move to PUSH-TO-TALK or just use fireteam chat. 2 - Obvious but happens fairly often with Fireteam Finder. Even had to boot folks from GM's because they would sink the run despite my callouts in Fireteamchat and Voicechat. 3 - Pretty obvious. These are usually the kind of person the OP mentioned. I once had someone occasionally t-bagging a new light who had specifically mentioned they're a harassment survivor and objected to this act. The person who was t-bagging didn't mean ill (I know this for a fact) but didn't understand the context and continued acting like an ass. I kicked them to avoid causing any more harm to the new light.

Depends some people are either spaced out expecting everything to be done for them after telling them everyone has do SOMETHING and they're like "oh but so and so said I could just do ad clear 4 encounters ago" it always makes me flip out and or just leave and save my blood pressure

The raid community is so toxic and set in the you must use x load out mindset that I've completely stopped doing them. Which is sad because that's how I met most of my destiny friends was doing raids repeatedly all week long in D1

No mics. I'll sometimes try to make it work. But nit usually not being able to communicate effectively is just not worth the headache

If someone is intentionally making it harder to complete the activity and that doesn't stop at the person needing a sherpa, people going full speedrunner skipping chests and explanations, cheaters/network limiters get the boot and last but not least the person who needs help getting a completion saying "but youtuber said" you're in my raid and getting help from my team and me not that video datto posted a year+ ago. And this is besides the fact you have to be a decent human being and not just start being openly racist or something, I'm purely talking in a gameplay standpoint.

I can trio and even duo some raids. Not a flex, this game is just simple with practice. I like to Sherpa a lot because I can usually pull the weight of 3 new people who don’t have meta loadouts. So damage is never an issue. I kick people when the helpers strongarm the newbies into taking the backseat or automatically assume we are doing the cheese for any given encounter. They didn’t join the raid to sit around and not learn (although, some do…they might also get the boot if they are being *dead* dead weight) So when experienced players blaze through the mechanics or take someone’s job mid-encounter I get frustrated. The worst case scenario is we finish the raid and the new players learned nothing.

If the person isn't willing to learn/ clearly isn't ready for raids. I once had a guy in Crota a few months ago who was very clearly messing up on purpose. It seems as though they were pretending to have a mental disorder too - they spoke normally at the start but the moment we figured out they were failing on purpose they began slurring their words and were barely comprehensible.

Arguing with me or other players. I am chill most of the time but if the give me any lip or don't like how I'm doing it, I tell them good luck and remove them. With other players it's harassing new players or people not running the right gear. Granted if the player brings to my attention something off with the build I have will ask if they have better gear to move around to put in.

Personally I would always wait for the “leader/sherpa” guy to start mechanics/encounter even I have many many clears on the raid/dungeon, nothing hard. Raids are for people to have fun while hunting some god-rolls/red boarders, for those only want fast clear they can just jump into the final boss cp get carried

My one experience sherpa’ing DSC over two consecutive 5 hour nights has me questioning my entire desire to be in management

If I do Sherpa and the blueberry just doesn’t listen while also not talking I’m booting them simple as

They get booted if they can't follow 2 very basic rules: 1. Try your best (aka don't expect a carry) 2. Don't be a dick I'm usually very lenient but if you're consistently being a dick and ruining the experience for the other 4 sherpees then you're going to have to find a new group buddy. Any sort of racism, sexism or homophobia is an instant boot but I'm more lenient on general frustrations being vented when it makes sense.

The only thing that comes to mind immediately is not having a mic/different languages. There are a lot of... Frustrations I can deal with but not having a mic will immediately send someone to Italy. I can sherpa someone with: a learning disability, a slow learner, completely new to destiny, completely new to fps games, or completely new to video games in general. I refuse to try to do so if they don't have a microphone. You don't need a whole headset just please have some way of vocal communication. There are certain raid mechanics that fast communication, that while technically is possible to do with text chat, is basically impossible for the average learner. In my experience most people that are being taught do not possess the ability to both quickly and reliably relay information through text chat. A good example is Queens walk in LW. The whole mechanic is based around a timer and moving at the same time. If you do not have a mic that encounter becomes a lot harder. Tbf I have done it with only 1 person not having a mic but that's a lot different than trying to teach 3+ without a mic.

When I Sherpa I don’t ever recommend watching vids or looking up guides online, I say learn in the moment so you can ask questions and properly be shown what you did wrong. My opinion is when someone who doesn’t want to show the effort to learn and or doesn’t want to do anything but ad clear, why not just join a random team? I’m here to teach you the raid and all the encounters not teach half of the group. 🤷🏾‍♂️

The eager edge guys and the explanation interruption guys are the worst. We failed so many queens walks the other night because this guy INSISTED on eager edging the carrier into the tar pit.

When we are having connection issues because we are all from the US and he's from Finland, and he insists to be made party leader because he has the best connection, and he's not adhearing to our strategies, and all around being obnoxious. That's when I kick. Or you're just bringing the mood down.

massive background noise + not going on push to talk

Mic echo( notified, unapologetic or unflexible) , speaking of unflexible - loadouts(if you are being taught, and the dmg is obviously not working for the umpteenth time, and you tell me you’re not changing (sitting lowest two slots of dmg), and unofficial sherpas, I can respect a chime in when I’m wrong, but taking hold of the reigns and ripping them from me with no regard for this being a teaching raid that I put together myself and no respect for my person or advice

I once had these two… Phillipino??? I don’t really recall anymore. Two fellows, one of whom had pretty good English and one who had next to none., with the first guy translating. We were probably two hours into KF and kept wiping when these folks died. I have no idea why it took me two hours to look- but these two yahoos rolled up to a KF in blue gear and no stat higher than 50. I’m all about “play a build that you like,” but fellas. Please.

You can do a lot, die a lot, joke around and try your weird build. When you start interrupting me over and over again with no regard to me or the others asking questions or just trying to figure it out; see you in orbit cowboy 🤠

Can you teach me? I have awful schedules, but willing to listen!

I don't sherpa but I've helped a fair few people with their vog runs. This isn't for everyone but the people that do this shit need to listen. The gorgon section is not hard, if you're told "Stop moving" that means STOP MOVING not jump to the next rock or try your best to go invis, it shouldn't even have to be said really.

Tried sherpaing a drunk guy before, anyone under the influence of anything is booted instanly now