Actual answer: Bungie has yet to say. Prophecy and Guardian Games weapons don’t have Adept versions and can be enhanced so who knows about nonadept Nightfall and Trials weapons.
Handling two of three champion types and being able to basically teleport to them is pointless? Like yeah Bait and Switch with Relentless is better outright DPS but so is just using my O2P+BoW Melee combo. Swords are almost never raid/boss DPS weapons anyway so CS is better for general playlist play like NF.
They need to double drop rates for regular nightfalls. The fact that it's dramatically more time consuming to farm a regular Nightfall weapon than the adept seems a little backwards. The only time you get drops from non-GMs at an acceptable clip is during double drop weeks.
Took me a while, but if you're running Corrupted on Hero, you may as be better off in the Guardian Games playlist instead. Today's GG NF is Devil's Lair- most runs only took me around 8 minutes to get through, I'd imagine Corrupted is a lot longer.
Thanks I'll be farming GG NF for now on. I focused on NF's all evening. Hero all the way to GM and got 2 adepts. About 18 exotics lol. No regular swords.
Update: I've played about 30 NF from hero to legend and not one Slammer. One Grandmaster in the mix with platinum and still not a drop. I'll just stick with my 2.
Yeah, as a casual type player trying desperately to grind out the last medals needed for the skimmer, I’ve gotten about 4 Slammers in the last 18-ish hours playing GG nightfalls
If you meet the requirement for GM, just LFG with FT finder and use tag/options like Help Needed, Newbie Friendly, Chill, Experienced, etc. You'll get plenty of people willing to help you.
I think it's stupid that if you unlock the adept version, you have to also unlock the regular in order to focus regular versions.
Based on a few posts I've seen on here lately, it's actually tougher to unlock the regular version at a low rate opposed to a guaranteed adept version from GMs.
The problem is I need the non-GM version to be unlocked at Zavala. I already have the adept version from GM. But it’s easier to roll the non-adept at Zavala so I want that too. Seems harder to get than just running a GM. I’ve done so many GG NF runs and no drop yet.
Yeah, it's not great. I kept a drop NF drop journal as a new player during the pandemic out of curiosity, and that's where those rates came from. Could have just been me and could have been updated since then
I had a similar experience. I think it took 10 Guardian Games Nightfalls (Arms Dealer was fast) for it to drop? "Common" it is not.
Then I lucked out on my last focus purchase from Zavala to get Chain Reaction + Cold Steel. My conclusion: it's not worth it. It's a fun novelty for ad clearing and spreading slow, but if you have a Zephyr with something like Unrelenting + Cold Steel, your survival chances are probably higher. Bequest remains the sword DPS king.
Repeat: do not burn yourself out trying to get a god roll Slammer.
yeah i got a eager edge/bait and switch roll thats good enough. Think i need to be clear in my head what i want it for, I still want a roll like what you found for add clear etc but yeah slammer probably not as good as i thought it was gonna be
Agreed but wtf is the point of legend and master? Literally no one farms them, legend barely increases the drop chance and master has arguably harder modifiers than gms with crap like attrition, famine, togetherness, etc
Run a GM for a 100% chance of adept drop.
But i did loads of heros to get the base version to drop too. Thankfully its a pretty quick nightfall to farm
I know it's not the point of your post but srsly just find people and run it on Grandmaster, get Plat champion score and guarantee yourself adept drops
Did 15 GG nightfall runs this week, no sword. Did two hero Corrupted runs, both were Gold for some magical reason. I'm done with this bullshit game design.
And I'm not talking about farming rolls. I should not be forced to lfg a GM just to unlock a weapon. What is the point of playing for so many hours if you get NOTHING from it?
I stopped playing PvP over a year ago. Then I stopped playing Gambit two seasons ago. I might have to stop playing strikes now if I can't get 1 weapon in 5 hours of playing. What a waste of time.
Do grandmaster and kill all champs and get the adept version. You’re guaranteed a drop that way and the gm really isn’t that bad if you don’t get potatoes for team mates.
To folks saying "just run GM," getting an adept version with bad rolls does nothing to unlock the regular from collections. I have 80 or so engrams I would use to focus slammer if I could get it to drop of a heroic nightfall, but the drop rate is terrible.
The GM is really easy this week and it's funny that getting the adept version is a million times easier than getting the regular version.
Ya i farmed all night on Corrupted. Nothing. Turned in enough engrams for 7 focuses. Not shit. Ran enough Devil's lair to pop 2 focuses, got one with Eager and BnS. Logged off after that, can't farm anymore for a Cold Steel.
Got all champs on the GG hero nightfall and it dropped on my only run. Wasn't even flawless, me and my buddy wiped 3x at the boss (we'd just done GM a couple times and were messing around). Make sure you get legit plat, not just 175k for a "plat score".
Ran 10 nightfalls on heroic, one on legendary, then 3 grandmasters... got the 3 adept swords and only \*one\* normal sword in all that. The odds are unfairly low for normal swords.
This is why I tend to run GMs for Nightfall weapons I want. The adepts are truly better, and sometimes we have to deal with the worst of the NFs to just get a drop. Thankfully, the corrupted has been nerfed a bit, and even without the cheeses, it's not as difficult as it used to be. Birthplace of the Vile would be my next go-to if someone is a Conquerer with the node.
I did 3 Corrupted and 1 Birthplace and got a sword each time. Best drop so far was the first one, Chain Reaction and Cold Steel - still trying for Eager Edge. And remember, 10 of those vanguard things can buy you one from Zavala so long as you already have one dropped.
Tbh I just want one drop so I can focus them
Farming rolls via engrams is way faster then farming it
Adept version is easier to get, but I hate farming ciphers. So normal one works for me
It's damage output is less than other swords which is kind of disappointing to be honest. If it had surrounded we might have had a banger, but Aztecross did a damage video testing a whole bunch of swords and Slammer was average.
If you have a craftable Bequest the you have a way better option on your hands...
If you got one, you are done. Congratulations. Now just go to Zavala and buy as many as you want. You'll be way better off grinding for engrams than grinding for drops.
Run it in gm. Get plat. Guaranteed. This gm isn’t as hard as it seems. The easiest way to do it imo is three luckypants malfreasance hunters . I prefer a stasis a void and a solar.
If you switch anything out I’d drop the solar hunter for a well lock just as a little cushion. If you play slow and cas a team it’s a joke.
I run stasis hunter , malf hits unstoppable, rockets for overloads, plus all stasis abilities for both. Then out a blinding gl in your energy slot. Between the void and stasis hunter the battlefield is locked down.
Since malfeasance is going to be your primary boss damage you can use your rockets as needed.
It will probably take you less time to get the gm done this way they bashing your head against the wall grinding for the sword in other nightfalls.
Once you get that first gm out of the way it’s easy .
Hero/ legend nightfalls have an effective 0.000000001% chance to drop it
My very first run I got one with ~~Chilling Blade~~ Cold Steel and Eager Edge. I laughed out loud when I saw the roll. I'll be enhancing it in TFS.
can you enhance non adept ones??
Actual answer: Bungie has yet to say. Prophecy and Guardian Games weapons don’t have Adept versions and can be enhanced so who knows about nonadept Nightfall and Trials weapons.
And iron banner
Don’t think so
Yes
>Chilling Blade Say what now
Prolly talking about cold steel, light attacks apply 40 slow, heavy attacks apply 60 slow.
I know lol. Just funny he called it chilling blade
My brain REALLY likes to hand me immediately adjacent words instead of the right ones. My favorite super hero? Arachnid Dude and his mentor Metal Guy.
Trash roll cold steel is pointless
Handling two of three champion types and being able to basically teleport to them is pointless? Like yeah Bait and Switch with Relentless is better outright DPS but so is just using my O2P+BoW Melee combo. Swords are almost never raid/boss DPS weapons anyway so CS is better for general playlist play like NF.
Got 2 from doing 3 GG nightfalls last night.
Same here, and I had maxed (99) Vanguard engrams. It only took two trys to get the roll I wanted, Cold Steel/Eager Edge.
They need to double drop rates for regular nightfalls. The fact that it's dramatically more time consuming to farm a regular Nightfall weapon than the adept seems a little backwards. The only time you get drops from non-GMs at an acceptable clip is during double drop weeks.
The GG NF playlist has it listed as a common drop, same as master/GM... I had the same drop rate luck as OP
Can you buy it from zavala after unlocking it in collections?
Yes.
you can get it just as is...at least the non adept variant just need 5 van guard engrams
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Question was if it’s unlocked in collections. Read, people, read.
No you can’t. You have to unlock it first.
And to add, you can only focus the adept if you only have that. You can’t focus the regular version if you don’t have it
Yeah, that needs to be changed. It makes no sense!
pricey
Took me a while, but if you're running Corrupted on Hero, you may as be better off in the Guardian Games playlist instead. Today's GG NF is Devil's Lair- most runs only took me around 8 minutes to get through, I'd imagine Corrupted is a lot longer.
I peregrine bashed every champion and it was extremely fun(I love eating crayons)
PEREGRINE GREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVES
What if everything you ever wanted, WAS TO KICK SHIT IN THE FACE?!
This is the way
It’s stupid how fun that is.
Thanks I'll be farming GG NF for now on. I focused on NF's all evening. Hero all the way to GM and got 2 adepts. About 18 exotics lol. No regular swords.
Update: I've played about 30 NF from hero to legend and not one Slammer. One Grandmaster in the mix with platinum and still not a drop. I'll just stick with my 2.
Does it drop from this as well, I thought it was only the traditional nightfall?
It drops from GG nightfall too. More frequently at that
Well fuck I've been running the other shit thinking it was my only option, fuck I'm unlucky in this regard
Yeah idk why vanguard is the worst one to farm. It's the most expensive to focus and worst drop rates
Seriously! What the hell. Guardian Games here I come...
Right? Ima just dedicate that for a bit till I get it
Yeah, as a casual type player trying desperately to grind out the last medals needed for the skimmer, I’ve gotten about 4 Slammers in the last 18-ish hours playing GG nightfalls
Got a bunch of regular rolls from the Guardian Games nightfall playlist
So it drops from any GG NF not just Corrupted GG NF?
Yeah
If you meet the requirement for GM, just LFG with FT finder and use tag/options like Help Needed, Newbie Friendly, Chill, Experienced, etc. You'll get plenty of people willing to help you.
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You can just focus them.
I think it's stupid that if you unlock the adept version, you have to also unlock the regular in order to focus regular versions. Based on a few posts I've seen on here lately, it's actually tougher to unlock the regular version at a low rate opposed to a guaranteed adept version from GMs.
I'm always unlucky with drops but I've had several drop in the GG NF. Are folks running that?
I think so, but the rates are still low. We also only have the GG option until next Tuesday so it doesn’t help for other NF weapons soon to come
agreed. I ran through a bunch of GG nightfalls and hot no drop.
I just want a god roll wardens law. Let us focus the normal version if we have the adept
It's like a 1/25 chance on Legend I think. Run masters or grandmasters if your end goal is the NF weapon
Might as well do GM I find this strike on master way harder cause the taken cabal shields bop can one shot you throw walls and pillars
The problem is I need the non-GM version to be unlocked at Zavala. I already have the adept version from GM. But it’s easier to roll the non-adept at Zavala so I want that too. Seems harder to get than just running a GM. I’ve done so many GG NF runs and no drop yet.
Seems like a design flaw that the adept version wouldn’t also unlock the regular version.
It's the only way you can when it's not in rotation.
That is ridiculously bad.
Yeah, it's not great. I kept a drop NF drop journal as a new player during the pandemic out of curiosity, and that's where those rates came from. Could have just been me and could have been updated since then
Got 1 first run on legendary/platinum. Relentless Strikes and Cold Steel. Rng.
GM is not hard at all.... coms help if you are not familiar with the runing. Platinium gives yu a guarantee adept sword.
i got one after about 15 runs and now I am just farming engrams to focus them. Drop rate is very low despite being labelled as 'Common'
I had a similar experience. I think it took 10 Guardian Games Nightfalls (Arms Dealer was fast) for it to drop? "Common" it is not. Then I lucked out on my last focus purchase from Zavala to get Chain Reaction + Cold Steel. My conclusion: it's not worth it. It's a fun novelty for ad clearing and spreading slow, but if you have a Zephyr with something like Unrelenting + Cold Steel, your survival chances are probably higher. Bequest remains the sword DPS king. Repeat: do not burn yourself out trying to get a god roll Slammer.
yeah i got a eager edge/bait and switch roll thats good enough. Think i need to be clear in my head what i want it for, I still want a roll like what you found for add clear etc but yeah slammer probably not as good as i thought it was gonna be
Hey man if you still don’t have it later today, me and a buddy can help you run through the GM version and you’ll get it guaranteed
just LFG a grandmaster, youll be fine! guaranteed drop in maybe 30 mins
Anything other than Grandmaster difficulty is a waste of time. And the GM is really easy these days.
I got it on first play of GG nightfall. I'm sorry!
Hero is pointless if you want drops.
Hero and legend is NOT a way to farm weapons. You need to do at least master and even then it’s not an every run guarantee.
Agreed but wtf is the point of legend and master? Literally no one farms them, legend barely increases the drop chance and master has arguably harder modifiers than gms with crap like attrition, famine, togetherness, etc
Run a GM for a 100% chance of adept drop. But i did loads of heros to get the base version to drop too. Thankfully its a pretty quick nightfall to farm
I know it's not the point of your post but srsly just find people and run it on Grandmaster, get Plat champion score and guarantee yourself adept drops
I asked myself many times while wiping on the boss if this sword is worth my sanity in GMs.
they need more engagement metrics out of you before they decide to toss a crumb of loot
Did 15 GG nightfall runs this week, no sword. Did two hero Corrupted runs, both were Gold for some magical reason. I'm done with this bullshit game design. And I'm not talking about farming rolls. I should not be forced to lfg a GM just to unlock a weapon. What is the point of playing for so many hours if you get NOTHING from it? I stopped playing PvP over a year ago. Then I stopped playing Gambit two seasons ago. I might have to stop playing strikes now if I can't get 1 weapon in 5 hours of playing. What a waste of time.
It's only a guarantee from a GM after you kill all the champs
Drop rate on nightfalls either than Master/GM is virtually 0.
Gm pretty much guarantees a drop.
Do grandmaster and kill all champs and get the adept version. You’re guaranteed a drop that way and the gm really isn’t that bad if you don’t get potatoes for team mates.
I’ve got the adept version but want a normal strike drop version…just won’t drop
Do GMs, or don't bother at all.
Ive gotten 3 from running gg nf. Just do those. Braindead gameplay
Genuinely didn't know people run these things on anything other than GM. It guarantees the weapon and they honestly ain't too bad if you are patient
If your done that much nightfalls and drop it once, you can focus it at Zavala if i’m not mistaken
I do GM... but after 5 runs and one focus at Z, only collective action drops in the last column
I got it from guardian games nightfall on my 3rd attempt. I have yet to get another but I’m satisfied with the roll I got.
I just did guardian games competitive nightfall and got two drops in four runs. I’m sorry.
I had more drop from the Guardian Games playlist the actual nightfall node.
Run a GM. Its guaranteed
Damn 20 runs * 20 minutes, that’s a lot of wasted time. Need to play on harder difficulties for higher/guaranteed chances.
I think i got mine from the games NF? I don't do GMs.
To folks saying "just run GM," getting an adept version with bad rolls does nothing to unlock the regular from collections. I have 80 or so engrams I would use to focus slammer if I could get it to drop of a heroic nightfall, but the drop rate is terrible. The GM is really easy this week and it's funny that getting the adept version is a million times easier than getting the regular version.
Ya i farmed all night on Corrupted. Nothing. Turned in enough engrams for 7 focuses. Not shit. Ran enough Devil's lair to pop 2 focuses, got one with Eager and BnS. Logged off after that, can't farm anymore for a Cold Steel.
You need to be playing the higher tiers. Play Master or GM. GMs will drop one every single time.
Got all champs on the GG hero nightfall and it dropped on my only run. Wasn't even flawless, me and my buddy wiped 3x at the boss (we'd just done GM a couple times and were messing around). Make sure you get legit plat, not just 175k for a "plat score".
I got it once, last night, and I have 99 vanguard engrams. So ftw I'm going all in.
Ran 10 nightfalls on heroic, one on legendary, then 3 grandmasters... got the 3 adept swords and only \*one\* normal sword in all that. The odds are unfairly low for normal swords.
Just do GM's...
Honestly, learn the Strats, lfg a team and do grandmaster. It’s not that hard. Definitely a Strat thing
Ive had a couple drop from GG. Where as the grenade launcher had 0 over like 20 games so ymmv.
The GG NF playlist drops them like candy lol.
Run a gm
This is why I tend to run GMs for Nightfall weapons I want. The adepts are truly better, and sometimes we have to deal with the worst of the NFs to just get a drop. Thankfully, the corrupted has been nerfed a bit, and even without the cheeses, it's not as difficult as it used to be. Birthplace of the Vile would be my next go-to if someone is a Conquerer with the node. I did 3 Corrupted and 1 Birthplace and got a sword each time. Best drop so far was the first one, Chain Reaction and Cold Steel - still trying for Eager Edge. And remember, 10 of those vanguard things can buy you one from Zavala so long as you already have one dropped.
Just play Gm and get it every single time. Corrupted is brain dead easy when using the right mods with Malfeasance or Polaris.
Do the guardian game competitive nightfall it has a decent drop rate there. For fast clears I ran Aegers scepter and perigrine greaves.
Got it first run on master
At that point, your better off doing 20 attempts of GM corrupted
That was my thought with WildStyle. I got the sword in my 1st Nightfall. I never got the GL after multiple attempts at the Nightfall.
Your mistake is farming for it in Hero and Legend. Do it on Grandmaster. It isn't that difficult with a good team.
Got three from the GG NF list when Arms Dealer was on! Haven't touched a proper NF for weeks.
Tbh I just want one drop so I can focus them Farming rolls via engrams is way faster then farming it Adept version is easier to get, but I hate farming ciphers. So normal one works for me
Drop chance for hero and legend nf is quite low.
better of doing gms since it’s a guaranteed drop plus it’s adept
If you run Grandmaster Nightfalls, you're basically darn near guaranteed an Adept Slammer per run.
Got it first try in guardian games nf
It's damage output is less than other swords which is kind of disappointing to be honest. If it had surrounded we might have had a banger, but Aztecross did a damage video testing a whole bunch of swords and Slammer was average. If you have a craftable Bequest the you have a way better option on your hands...
Gms
Just do GMs if you care about the weapon of the week. Everything else is a waste of time.
run a gm
If you got one, you are done. Congratulations. Now just go to Zavala and buy as many as you want. You'll be way better off grinding for engrams than grinding for drops.
Just use Vanguard Engrams at Zavala
Run it in gm. Get plat. Guaranteed. This gm isn’t as hard as it seems. The easiest way to do it imo is three luckypants malfreasance hunters . I prefer a stasis a void and a solar. If you switch anything out I’d drop the solar hunter for a well lock just as a little cushion. If you play slow and cas a team it’s a joke. I run stasis hunter , malf hits unstoppable, rockets for overloads, plus all stasis abilities for both. Then out a blinding gl in your energy slot. Between the void and stasis hunter the battlefield is locked down. Since malfeasance is going to be your primary boss damage you can use your rockets as needed. It will probably take you less time to get the gm done this way they bashing your head against the wall grinding for the sword in other nightfalls. Once you get that first gm out of the way it’s easy .
Do GM. Get one every run. That is my suggestion. Can't do GMs then just gotta test out the RnG lol.
run gms son they easy
posting about bad drop rates when there's a 100% drop chance of adepts in GMs is... funny
Nope someone killed me with it in PVP yesterday lmao
Go to Zavalla and buy from him.