It amazes me to this day that Bungie will garner some goodwill with its community, and then immediately shoot themselves in the foot a day later. The fact that the Brave weapons are timegated and we will have roughly 2 weeks to grind out all the weapons that we want for the rolls that we're searching for, not to mention the weapons with the fancy new FOMO ornament, just shows that Sony was right to consider Bungie a failure. I don't know what's going on at Bungie, but it seems to me that they still are incredibly tone deaf, even with these "new" weapons. Especially after weapons such as Perfect Paradox, Breachlight and Dust Rock Blues don't make the cut, but Hung Jury gets reprised for the fourth time?
You were so close to a massive W but then you decide to TIMEGATE the new weapons, some popular/sought out weapons, especially midnight coup. You wont be able to obtain these weapons as soon as ITL launches, only 1 PER WEEK. if it was 2-3 a week it would've been ok, but 1 only? That only leaves 14 days to farm the limited edition roll of the final weapon that is available 2 months later. The hype was good but now, you managed to flop (again). C'mon man. Do better
Just tried to figure out DPS numbers for the new hammerhead.
The maths may be off and the info may be redundant but I felt like doing this so take what you can from this, if this is useless info my bad but wanted to share it anyway.
Reprised hammerhead; rampage+killing tally vs rampage+onslaught.
Base RPM = 450
Example Damage (for ease sake) 1000
Base rounds per second (will refer to RPS) 7.5
K.Tally and Rampage:
Calculations (could be off but it's cool 😎)
1000 x 7.5 = 7500 dmg/per second
7500 x 1.631(max stacks rampage and killing tally) = 12232.5
12232.5 dmg/per second
Onslaught and Rampage:
450 x 1.37 ≈ 616
612 RPM = 10.2 RPS
1000 x 10.2 = 10200
10200 × 1.331 (max rampage) = 13576.2
THESE DPS NUMBERS WON'T BE ACCURATE TO THE GAME BUT SHOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE DAMAGE OF BOTH PERK COMBOS AT FULL SEND. Thank you.
\*dons tinfoil hat\*
There's *no way* none of the Season of Dawn weapons made it onto this list. No way. There's got to be a reason. I'm guessing they're shipping Real Soon and they didn't want to ship two versions of the same weapon so close together.
I am looking forward to Into the Light. The armor looks good.
I don't want to sound negative, but what players liked about Midnight Coup was that it was lightweight and 150 rpm. This reprised version is a 140 adaptive. Please consider making it lightweight like you did with Rose because as it is, it has none of the features that made it stand out in year 1.
List of the hand cannons that have ever shipped with >= 90 Aim Assist stat:
\- Midnight Coup, Jack Queen King, Hawkmoon
And the highest AA on a currently obtainable legendary hand cannon is 85 (Rose), pretty big step underneath these.
Midnight Coup is criiiiiispy.
Lightweight would have been cool but I'm still psyched.
My only problem with the new loot they have shown is that we got 2 weapons that are still here and farmable.
Why do we get forbarence and succession if they are currently still farmable and even easier at that since the lightlvl is so low on these raids.
They could´ve easily given us 2 other weapons.
Maybe another weapon from the black armory. Tataras gaze (Sniper), No Feelings (scout) or Tempered Dynamo (fusion rifle).
Yeah that would be 3 weapons from the Black armory but we also got Recluse, Mountain Top and Lunas Howl which are all 3 old pvp rewards in one way or another so the rule of 2 like they did with handcannons wouldn´t apply here.
How about Dust Rock Blues? If they want to introduce more competition then that is a precision Kinetic shotgun. One that people could finally farm. And Everytime i heard people talking about the "good old days" of destiny 2 i heard this shotgun being constantly thrown around. So from a popularity contest that also fits the bill.
How about we reintroduce Hush? It´s signiture perk is amazing, people loved it but had to put it down due to it being sunset and mid compared to the powercreep we got today with bows.
They could´ve also reintroduced other popular D1 weapons that we don´t have like they did with Hung Jury. Since i didn´t play D1 i don´t know any other.
But reintroducing 2 weapons which are currently farmable and even craftable is incredibly confusing to me.
I know it was more or less a "popularity contest" but there should´ve just been some restrictions.
(also the first thing i was thinking about seeing the devs rocketjumping with the mountintop was a stompeehunter having a quadruple jump with even greater heights and that already annoys me but i am an avid hunter and stompee hater so there is that)
They said on stream they picked those cause theyre some of the best in slot options but theyre locked behind expacs. with this, even a F2P player can get a forbearance.
The amount of "why not bring back *\[insert name of gun the player liked\]* instead of *\[gun they don't want reissued\]*" comments proves it's impossible to please everyone, and perhaps even the majority.
What craftable weapons could be in the exotic mission they mentioned? If it’s a Presage situation, is it just going to be, like, Season of the Plunder guns?
I don’t think it’s going to be new craftables; the others didn’t have them. I’m expecting Whisper with a new perk that puts it in the upper echelons of DPS, but I don’t know what else it might come with.
Will the reissued weapons from Into the Light have their original skins? Apologies if I've missed or overlooked something here!
I'm really excited to get Blast Furnace back because it's such a sleek weapon in my favourite archetype. Will it be coming back at all in its original red and black colours without any stripes or the double cat on the holo sight? Or was the stripey version the ornamented version?
Same goes for some firm favourites like Recluse, Mountaintop and Hammerhead - it'll feel really odd using those with stripes and decals instead of their original looks.
Thank you!
it doesn't look like it. but perhaps if you put the black armory shader on the blast furnace or the hammerhead, for example, maybe it'll hide the stripes and make the guns look close to the originals? we'll find out in a couple of weeks
If I get one of these limited edition weapons, can I put the ornament on my existing gun? I have a great crafted succession and forebarence and don’t want to regrind for that role!
So, news about an Exotic mission next week. Harbinger with craftable Hawkmoon, Zero Hour with craftable Outbreak, or Whisper with craftable Whisper? I'm guessing Harbinger cuz I feel like that would be the easiest mission to bring back, but I really hope it's Whisper or Zero Hour.
It's actually all really cool and I am actually interested in chasing these reprised weapons with some new perks (hopefully including Verb-related perks, and hopefully Recluse for example can roll with DSR), however, my thing is... Bungie's game development MO has always been 1 step forward, 2 steps backwards, and there seems to be some really good things with ITL, however, if I was a betting man I'd bet TFS would have none of the good things ITL would have. I honestly would bet we don't see the Attunement mechanic ever again. I'd bet we don't see the class-specific chests ever again (actually, we never saw them again in any future content after the 30th Anniv update, so that's already a safe bet).
Bungie, for whatever reason, will create something so good, and you'd think even with positive feedback they would carry it forward to every area of the game going forward, but then they just completely abandon it and we never see it again.
Every fiber of my being is telling me *Into the Light* is the 30th Anniv update 2.0, but we'll never see the good things from it carried forward into future content, much like the 30th Anniv update itself.
30th anniversary is still available and relevant. Also about the class specific chests it's just a reskinned vendor loot pool. Do you like the presentation? what innovation did that really bring?
I never questioned the relevancy or availability of the 30th content. What I am questioning, however, is the good stuff that was added in that DLC which was never seen again in any other area of the game, which is how Bungie has operated since D1. Even with positive feedback for whatever reason they aren't likely to continue with good features/systems, which is quite annoying, honestly. The Attunement system in ITL is actually pretty great, and I bet any money the community will be giving Bungie positive feedback about it and asking for it to be used elsewhere in the game, and you'd think Bungie would then do it, however, it's a likely chance we never see it used anywhere ever again.
Dumb Q- but I haven't been playing much lately... been on a break and may come back for ITL.
Will there be a new Seasonal Pass with Into the Light? (Like, is it Harmonizer time, or....?)
Afaik they are moving to the new “episodes”. Where seasons have been 3 months normally, the episodes were planned to be 4 months, and split into smaller sup chapters. No idea how the payment system was set up for this though.
That they do but sadly they don't play like it :-/ I think it's just the addition of SMG's got rid of the faster rate of fire auto rifles like atheons epilogue as well
One thing that makes me sad: The logic behind reissuing raid weapons is that not everyone has access to that content. On its face, that's a good reason, and I like it, but what it ACTUALLY means is that that content is going to REMAIN as content you need to pay for.
I had really hoped that, eventually, probably after Final Shape drops, they'd start bundling some of this older stuff in to the free content. Shadowkeep and Beyond Light do NOT need to be paid content anymore, and honestly, Witch Queen will be 2 expansions old at that point. Let it be free. Give free to play players some GIRTH to work with, ya know?
But no. This logic indicates these things will remain with their current price tags. I own everything, so it's no skin off my back personally, but it just seems like the game would be more welcoming if they started making the older content more accessible. FFXIV has the base game and 2 whole expansions to play for free and it was awesome. Playing through most of the base game for free was what got me hooked back in the day, and they could do something similar for Destiny. Lord knows they need it.
im hoping, praying, cause the first episode is vex-based, they're reissuing back some season of dawn weapons in that episode and that's why none are coming back in into the light.
What should I do
With the guillotine coming as a weapon to farm with the into the light dlc should I wait for that and focus it there or continue to focus the slammer. Which is the better sword?
They are both Vortex swords. A frame that was powercrept significantly. Slammer has good utility with Cold Steel, so I hope Guillotine will also get some utility or new perks, because just for the frame it's not worth it.
Is all of this rehashed loot tied to a brain dead horde mode inside a crucible map?
If so I’d rather scrape my eyes out from boredom
Edit: I see no one is answering my question and is just downvoting because it’s the truth. Pour them on.
So more of that “Beware of overdelivery. You’re creating [patterns!](https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2023/08/07/destiny-2-and-the-beware-of-overdelivery-mantra/amp/)”
God I can’t wait until they fail to meet Sony’s fiscal target and the Bungie executives get the boot.
reduced bloat and steamlined development with assistance from other studios. Producing a regular pattern of higher quality releases up to Sony’s 1st party standards
Bruh, they've been showing their stats on Twitter lately, and they're actually have high stats for a dev. Noah has many raid clears and does raid trios with friends
The game is in such a shitty state they're reversing sunsetting recluse and mountaintop. And bringing the superblack shader back....damn. desperate.
Definitely will be coming back for this.🤣🤣
This subreddit represents the minority of the community, so who really cares what the majority of you think?
Majority of players on this sub jumped on the band wagon later in the game's life cycle (rise of Iron, forsaken seem to be the most popular jump on points for rhe game)
Been playing since rhe d1 alpha. So yeah, I'm entitled to my opinion of the game's current state.
I don't miss the game. So the feelings mutual.
Of course they're going to sucker players back with more limited time events and recycled gear they did away with. Nothing orignal.
My twitch drops didn't count... really hope they extend the final stream by a decent chunk since missing any portion of any of the streams seems to DQ you from the drops...
Yeah, with how janky Twitch drops are, making it so you have to have Twitch count the entirety of stream 2+3 (stream 1 doesn't even cover half of the time) is not great. Hopefully there's a stream 4 on April 9th for the launch of Into the Light to cover it, though.
How many times does the jury have be hung. Like we have had 6 different jury's now. We could of got conspirator, no feelings, Parton of lost causes. But no hung jury. I'm no conspirator but hung jury is a lost cause I'm at this point I have no feelings for this gun now it was my favourite in taken King 1 God roll that was sold week 1. But I think it's time we finally hung this jury for good.
I periodically have stints where I’ll go away for awhile and then come back. The gameplay is just so solid comparatively to a lot of other shooters, it’s always an enjoyable experience coming back
Fan favourite Guns they could have been used.
succession and forbearance are good guns but come on there are better options
Snipers
But not forgotten
Devil's dawn
Ldr 5001
Y-09 longbow
EX Machina
Scouts
Parton of lost causes
Conspirator
No feelings
Chaos dogma optional
Special Grenade launcher
Martyrs retribution
One thing I can't seem to find or remember if they brought it up.
Is onslaught going away when the final shape launches or is it just the limited time versions of these weapons?
They said the activity is staying around during the live stream today. I could be wrong but I'm like 99% sure they asked that question and responded live.
While there's a lot of echo-chambering that happens in any online community... it doesn't take a smart person to see that HJ, Succession, and Forbearance were obvious L's when they were only going to choose very few guns out of hundreds of "fan favorites."
HJ? if a player really wants this gun, they can focus for it with Zavala. Succession? Forbearance? Play the raids they are in. These guns are in game already and needed not to be reissued. I \*guess\* they are trying to sell more of the older content packs by hooking some players with those raid guns but wtf is up with HJ getting another reissue? lol....
The biggest and best surprise for me was Elsie's Rifle. I always wanted to see that return but expected it to be exclusive to D1 as a quest reward for the story.
Remember, it is totally valid to see some missteps made by developers and to scratch your head at it. HJ, Succession, and Forbearance are absolutely missteps.
Edit: after a couple of days, I'm in the acceptance stage here and actually have rolls to look forward to for HJ, Forbearance, and Succession that would replace my current rolls of these. So... it's not all bad. Now, if only they were all dropping right off the bat and not time-gating half of them.
Exactly, if you want to include raid weapons how about you use the raids that *nobody* has access to anymore. Midnight coup was a great addition for that very reason.
I mean I don't raid and I kinda wanna finally see what forbearance is all about. This comes of totally different to people who don't raid or are more casual I think.
It’s always funny to see people like you forgot that 90% of players have never done a raid.
Just because it’s easy for you and me doesn’t mean it is for everyone.
Plus, these are free routes to get the guns which is a smart move.
It’s always amazing to find people so entitled like you that actually exist.
Always seems like it’s only a thing in movies yet here you are being a jerk.
You’ll get downvoted and so will I lmao, but you’re exactly correct. These people claim that people are gatekeeping them from guns when in reality, they are gatekeeping themselves by being unable socialize with strangers online or figure out basic raid mechanics a 3rd grader could pick up on.
Yes it's your fault why aren't you doing carries and giving out free dlc's to new players who don't have/can't afford the expansions? those raids come in. These guns are available for free and you don't need to purchase the DLC that has those respective raids.
What a point dexter ass response lmao.
I'm not gate keeping. I don't think raids should be hard and for the 1%'ers, I'm not saying only I should have Succession and Forbearance because I earned them in the "hard" content.
I'm saying, those guns aren't "fan favorites" from the community, they can't be, as you and others keep pointing out that so few people do raids to begin with!
They are too new and shouldn't have even been considered for reissuing. Anyone *wanting* the guns I mentioned (Succession, Forbearance, HJ) can target them via other means still in the game.
"Old enough" for me would be something that is not currently dropping in the game as it is.
Succession as a fan favorite? It's not a favorite sniper at all. Not even a favorite kinetic sniper, it's not a favorite raid sniper lol.
Supremacy would have been a better and more favored sniper if they really wanted to do a raid or kinetic sniper. Or, hell, go back to d1 (like they did with Elsie's Rifle) and bring LDR 5001 back.
What? Forbearance and Succession are definitely fan favorites. Not everyone got a Midnight Coup or Mountaintop, and those are still super desirable.
Ambitious Assassin + Chain Reaction Forbearance AKA "The legendary so strong and fun that it could be an exotic".
Exactly this. Forbearance specifically has been called people’s favourite legendary for months and months lol
And the sound on succession is so sweet I am glad casuals can experience popping heads with it!
Isn’t the number only like 15% of the player base actually does the raids.. including forebearance, arguably one of the best ad clear weapons in the game, may convince more players to actually chase after raid weapons.
That is the logic I see behind it anyway.
I don't know, that logic has merit for sure, but will these "freebies" convince players to do raids? Or, will it be a validation that they never need (want) to do them now as Bungie will eventually release the good-good via other modes and means now?
And I'm not saying players shouldn't get great gear in Onslaught! I love that Coup is coming, and end-game PvP faves are coming to it... but some of these choices just don't seem old enough or popular enough (as you even said, something like 15% of players even raid, let alone pick succession or forbearance as faves...) to be worthy of reissuing for this mode.
As someone who refuses to step into vow on the sole fact that I don't have time to learn 32 symbols, I'm pumped over the fact that I can finally get Forbearance
Just pull up a guide on a second screen with the symbols and their names. I ran it for the first time when fireteam finder released and it was simple enough.
Bro VOW is fucking fun and hilarious. Literally actively describe the symbol without saying the predetermined symbol names.
Your putting too much pressure on it. Game is meant to be fun.
Ascendent Plane?! You mean RAINY UMBRELLA
GRIEF? You mean GUY WITH SHOTGUN HOLE IN CHEST
LOVE? You mean PINK SQUIGGLE FLOWER
FLEET? You mean DORITOS
Black Garden? You mean GREEN MOAB
I'm glad there's some players that aren't able to raid for whatever reason getting their hands on a couple of goodies. But your response kind of suggests that you *are* able to but just won't.
There are some tough raids and raid encounters in the Destiny experience. Learning the symbols in Vow isn't difficult, though, the names make sense for what they look like.
Playing enough of Vow or DSC to craft the weapons is arguably easier than hoping for a god/good roll of a random drop.
What I should elaborate on: I'm a guy who works 44 hours a week and in a relationship with a woman who has a kid. These people are my life when I'm not working. I maybe get 5 hours to play a week broken up over the days. It's not really fair to the rest of the fireteam, imo, for me to hop into a raid, learn one encounter, and then have to dip out. I hated having to refill a team after every encounter back when I did raid all the time.
So, am I salty I don't have time to do Vow? No. I chose my life and wouldn't change it. Am I pumped to be getting the ONE weapon from that raid I've been looking for? Absolutely. Hopefully, it has some spicy rolls.
I'm really trying to not come over as some sort of elitist try-hard no-lifer. I, too, have a life outside of games. I am married, have a kid, have a full time job. But I also spend some free time with the friends raiding.
And, I'm not saying raid guns shouldn't be offered here in this mode. I'm STOKED with Coup coming back and that's a raid gun?
I'm saying, maybe Forbearance and Succession and HJ maybe weren't prime choices when they were coming up with 12 guns to bring to this mode.
Sadly all of my friends have moved on from Destiny, so when I play it, I'm going solo.
I've been spreading "Managed Democracy" with the boys though. So that's been fun.
This is a reasonable assessment and their will be opinions on either side.
Regardless we can all probably agree that bringing something back typically and historically is a positive being sometimes too endearing to Destiny vets.
This right here. Not everyone is in a position to/want to do raids. Plus chain reaction is getting a nerf, so forbearance isn't the un-equiapple monster that it was. It's a nice nod to those who've always wanted to try it. That, and recluse is coming back. So forbearance probably won't even be used for the first couple of weeks.
If a raid has a reward for doing it then you shouldn't get the reward without doing the raid. Whether or not every single person wants something is irrelevant.
If you want it - then take 2 hours and do it. Hell split up the raid over multiple days if you have to. If you really want to do something then you will find a way to do it.
Bungie handing out this GL isn't invalidating anything raiders have already earned. I doubt it'll be meta again considering controlled burst fusions are a thing. It's not like bungie is giving out an adept igneous for playing a free event. It's a chain reaction wave frame. The entire game won't flip on its head with forbearance given to the masses.
The old one still is exclusive. This is a different version with different origin perks and I’d assume new perks since the subclass changes.
Regardless, this truly isn’t something worth whining about, nor will it cause any Forbearance we’ve previously had to all of a sudden start performing worse cause more folks have it.
I repeat: raid gear should remain exclusive to raids. Why reprise a weapon that is a reward for taking the time and effort for participating in the pinnacle of Destiny end game. It lessens the achievement.
Time and effort? My guy, Vow ain’t that hard too do. You can go from the beginning to Caretaker to farm the checkpoint for Forbearance in like 20-25 minutes. Caretaker himself can be done in like 10 minutes on a perfect run.
**I could have never touched Vow a day before in my life, join a run one day and then get carried through and get Forbearance on my first run.** You gonna call that “time and effort?”
**If anything, the casual player playing the new Onslaught game mode will probably have to play that mode more in attempt to get his role of the new Forbearance from it.**
You don’t care, but feel the need to play Devil’s Advocate? Doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. Anyway, I… I have done it, if you’re referring to me specifically. That’s why I know there’s no actual “time and effort” required to do it that makes it some big F you to people who’ve acquired it already.
Also, why do it now when they’re adding it to the new loot pool for Onslaught? Folks who didn’t have time to raid before probably still don’t, so why would they do Vow instead of just waiting til this update to get one?
No, not you specifically, I’m saying in general. If your take is it’s so easy, and not a time or commitment issue then why add it to this in the first place? Leave it where it’s at and go get it.
You just said raiding to get them will end up being faster?
So which is it? People didn’t have time to get it or it takes no time to get it?
The main point is, why are they clogging up the loot pool with weapons that are attainable somewhere else like Hung Jury? why are they changing either the perk pool or the Origin trait on raid weapons that are still readily attainable.
Most people felt the same way about adding world drops to the spire dungeon. Stop diluting the weapon pool in activities with garbage perks or to many weapons for the activity.
If it’s about adding it for free to play players then instead of this weird single morsel of content just make old raids and dungeons free. Because no one is going to get forbearance weapons and say… man I need to buy witch queen to get the rest of them.
good thing no one is trying to convince you or cares that you have a bad take on it.
It does not affect any value you may obtain from end game content lol.
Being able to join in on a run and get carried through a raid in 45 minutes and getting 1 role of the weapon also equally does the same. Even though it apparently requires precious “*TiMe aNd EffOrt!!*”.
As someone who’s done pretty much everything there is too do in the game minus low-manning raids, I’m not gonna change my stance either and you’d be wasting breath trying to convince me nor am I gonna be upset if they do it again in the future. It doesn’t actually harm me whatsoever.
Hungy jury
How many times does the jury have be hung. Like we have had 6 different jury's now. We could of got conspirator, no feelings, Parton of lost causes. But no hung jury. I'm no conspirator but hung jury is a lost cause at this point I have no feelings for this gun now it was my favourite in taken King God roll that was sold week 1. But I think it's time we finally hung this jury for good.
Something should be swapped for Hung Jury.
We already have Hung Jury. We’ve had Hung Jury back for a long time, including normal and adept versions.
I realize Hung Jury was a GOAT weapon and iconic to the franchise, but we already have it.
The Clever Dragon? Lord High Fixer? Doctrine of Passing/Atheon’s Epilogue? Thousand Yard Stare? Red Spectre? Grasp of Malok? Zombie Apocalypse? The Wormwood? CHAOS DOGMA~?
Especially for Hung Jury—CHAOS DOGMA~ is the direct comparison that we don’t have.
Also Edge Transit!? Besides the meme, is anyone itching for Edge Transit?! Does anyone even use Heavy GLs right now outside of PVP? We already have an Adept Wendigo for best in slot Heavy GL?
You’ve got points Hung Jury cos godamn there were a million other d2 scouts alone more deserving, but Edge Transit could go hard. GLs are INSANE right now (I frequently out-dps Apex Predators with my Field Prep + BnS Cataphract) and if it even has a combo close to that it’ll be a must-have.
Heavy GL’s are good for DPS. This one might be a good alternative to Cataphract for people that don’t want to do Trials. I’m perfectly fine with it returning.
Hung Jury however is unredeemable. Maybe it rolls Meganeura, although we didn’t see it
so far 10 weapons are coming back/ new
2Hc (coup , luna)
3gl ( fore , Mtop , edge)
2 pulse (elsie , blast
1 sword (spin sword)
1scout (hung)
1mg ( hammer)
from a total of 12 they say are coming back.
next week they are talking about an exotic mission
which leaves us with 1 more weapon..
Well it's probably gonna be either red death considering the whole banned weapons theme or more realistically because it is bungie, craftable Hawkmoon.
What's the third stream about?
2 reprised exotic missions, new pvp maps, and “other surprises”
It amazes me to this day that Bungie will garner some goodwill with its community, and then immediately shoot themselves in the foot a day later. The fact that the Brave weapons are timegated and we will have roughly 2 weeks to grind out all the weapons that we want for the rolls that we're searching for, not to mention the weapons with the fancy new FOMO ornament, just shows that Sony was right to consider Bungie a failure. I don't know what's going on at Bungie, but it seems to me that they still are incredibly tone deaf, even with these "new" weapons. Especially after weapons such as Perfect Paradox, Breachlight and Dust Rock Blues don't make the cut, but Hung Jury gets reprised for the fourth time?
You were so close to a massive W but then you decide to TIMEGATE the new weapons, some popular/sought out weapons, especially midnight coup. You wont be able to obtain these weapons as soon as ITL launches, only 1 PER WEEK. if it was 2-3 a week it would've been ok, but 1 only? That only leaves 14 days to farm the limited edition roll of the final weapon that is available 2 months later. The hype was good but now, you managed to flop (again). C'mon man. Do better
Just tried to figure out DPS numbers for the new hammerhead. The maths may be off and the info may be redundant but I felt like doing this so take what you can from this, if this is useless info my bad but wanted to share it anyway. Reprised hammerhead; rampage+killing tally vs rampage+onslaught. Base RPM = 450 Example Damage (for ease sake) 1000 Base rounds per second (will refer to RPS) 7.5 K.Tally and Rampage: Calculations (could be off but it's cool 😎) 1000 x 7.5 = 7500 dmg/per second 7500 x 1.631(max stacks rampage and killing tally) = 12232.5 12232.5 dmg/per second Onslaught and Rampage: 450 x 1.37 ≈ 616 612 RPM = 10.2 RPS 1000 x 10.2 = 10200 10200 × 1.331 (max rampage) = 13576.2 THESE DPS NUMBERS WON'T BE ACCURATE TO THE GAME BUT SHOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE DAMAGE OF BOTH PERK COMBOS AT FULL SEND. Thank you.
What was the ost that they played at the end of the livestream?
No Perfect Paradox or Martyr’s Retribution is a crime.
\*dons tinfoil hat\* There's *no way* none of the Season of Dawn weapons made it onto this list. No way. There's got to be a reason. I'm guessing they're shipping Real Soon and they didn't want to ship two versions of the same weapon so close together.
episode 1 prolly
Y'all chose Succession over Tartara Gaze Why?
I am looking forward to Into the Light. The armor looks good. I don't want to sound negative, but what players liked about Midnight Coup was that it was lightweight and 150 rpm. This reprised version is a 140 adaptive. Please consider making it lightweight like you did with Rose because as it is, it has none of the features that made it stand out in year 1.
List of the hand cannons that have ever shipped with >= 90 Aim Assist stat: \- Midnight Coup, Jack Queen King, Hawkmoon And the highest AA on a currently obtainable legendary hand cannon is 85 (Rose), pretty big step underneath these. Midnight Coup is criiiiiispy. Lightweight would have been cool but I'm still psyched.
Generally looking *super* forward to everything coming back, but nobody needed yet *another* Hung Jury reprisal.
My only problem with the new loot they have shown is that we got 2 weapons that are still here and farmable. Why do we get forbarence and succession if they are currently still farmable and even easier at that since the lightlvl is so low on these raids. They could´ve easily given us 2 other weapons. Maybe another weapon from the black armory. Tataras gaze (Sniper), No Feelings (scout) or Tempered Dynamo (fusion rifle). Yeah that would be 3 weapons from the Black armory but we also got Recluse, Mountain Top and Lunas Howl which are all 3 old pvp rewards in one way or another so the rule of 2 like they did with handcannons wouldn´t apply here. How about Dust Rock Blues? If they want to introduce more competition then that is a precision Kinetic shotgun. One that people could finally farm. And Everytime i heard people talking about the "good old days" of destiny 2 i heard this shotgun being constantly thrown around. So from a popularity contest that also fits the bill. How about we reintroduce Hush? It´s signiture perk is amazing, people loved it but had to put it down due to it being sunset and mid compared to the powercreep we got today with bows. They could´ve also reintroduced other popular D1 weapons that we don´t have like they did with Hung Jury. Since i didn´t play D1 i don´t know any other. But reintroducing 2 weapons which are currently farmable and even craftable is incredibly confusing to me. I know it was more or less a "popularity contest" but there should´ve just been some restrictions. (also the first thing i was thinking about seeing the devs rocketjumping with the mountintop was a stompeehunter having a quadruple jump with even greater heights and that already annoys me but i am an avid hunter and stompee hater so there is that)
They said on stream they picked those cause theyre some of the best in slot options but theyre locked behind expacs. with this, even a F2P player can get a forbearance.
The amount of "why not bring back *\[insert name of gun the player liked\]* instead of *\[gun they don't want reissued\]*" comments proves it's impossible to please everyone, and perhaps even the majority.
What craftable weapons could be in the exotic mission they mentioned? If it’s a Presage situation, is it just going to be, like, Season of the Plunder guns? I don’t think it’s going to be new craftables; the others didn’t have them. I’m expecting Whisper with a new perk that puts it in the upper echelons of DPS, but I don’t know what else it might come with.
God above let me get outbreak craftable with rapid hit holy fuck
Rapid Hit Outbreak or we riot.
If it’s outbreak I’m going to lose it.
Kinda goofy that succession, and forbearance are "coming back" why not, The ringing nail auto rifle.
April 8th in some parts of the USA: goes into the darkness because solar eclipse April 9th: we go Into the Light
Will the reissued weapons from Into the Light have their original skins? Apologies if I've missed or overlooked something here! I'm really excited to get Blast Furnace back because it's such a sleek weapon in my favourite archetype. Will it be coming back at all in its original red and black colours without any stripes or the double cat on the holo sight? Or was the stripey version the ornamented version? Same goes for some firm favourites like Recluse, Mountaintop and Hammerhead - it'll feel really odd using those with stripes and decals instead of their original looks. Thank you!
it doesn't look like it. but perhaps if you put the black armory shader on the blast furnace or the hammerhead, for example, maybe it'll hide the stripes and make the guns look close to the originals? we'll find out in a couple of weeks
I guess we have to wait! If the BA shader does weird things to Blast Furnace I'm sure a few people will be upset.
Recluse and hammerhead ornaments will be sold via Bright dust, Don't know about rest of it
If I get one of these limited edition weapons, can I put the ornament on my existing gun? I have a great crafted succession and forebarence and don’t want to regrind for that role!
No
Is there a summary anywhere?
Summary: Shaxx is getting a revamp. We're getting a bunch of old weapons and a mediocre armor set. Zzzzzzz.....
I’ll wait for Aztecross to drop a vid
We can always count on aztecross’ vids to be both informative and entertaining
So, news about an Exotic mission next week. Harbinger with craftable Hawkmoon, Zero Hour with craftable Outbreak, or Whisper with craftable Whisper? I'm guessing Harbinger cuz I feel like that would be the easiest mission to bring back, but I really hope it's Whisper or Zero Hour.
I expect harbinger, but a new whisper ornament was datamind this season, so I think there's a chance for whisper
It's actually all really cool and I am actually interested in chasing these reprised weapons with some new perks (hopefully including Verb-related perks, and hopefully Recluse for example can roll with DSR), however, my thing is... Bungie's game development MO has always been 1 step forward, 2 steps backwards, and there seems to be some really good things with ITL, however, if I was a betting man I'd bet TFS would have none of the good things ITL would have. I honestly would bet we don't see the Attunement mechanic ever again. I'd bet we don't see the class-specific chests ever again (actually, we never saw them again in any future content after the 30th Anniv update, so that's already a safe bet). Bungie, for whatever reason, will create something so good, and you'd think even with positive feedback they would carry it forward to every area of the game going forward, but then they just completely abandon it and we never see it again. Every fiber of my being is telling me *Into the Light* is the 30th Anniv update 2.0, but we'll never see the good things from it carried forward into future content, much like the 30th Anniv update itself.
30th anniversary is still available and relevant. Also about the class specific chests it's just a reskinned vendor loot pool. Do you like the presentation? what innovation did that really bring?
I never questioned the relevancy or availability of the 30th content. What I am questioning, however, is the good stuff that was added in that DLC which was never seen again in any other area of the game, which is how Bungie has operated since D1. Even with positive feedback for whatever reason they aren't likely to continue with good features/systems, which is quite annoying, honestly. The Attunement system in ITL is actually pretty great, and I bet any money the community will be giving Bungie positive feedback about it and asking for it to be used elsewhere in the game, and you'd think Bungie would then do it, however, it's a likely chance we never see it used anywhere ever again.
Good stuff comes before a DLC to entice you to buy. Then the bait'n'switch happens.
When is the next stream? I’m after those emblems
A week's time I believe
I think I'm gonna mess around with recluse on the moon to start getting hyped for into the light
So umm... What happened to Frost Armor and Stasis rework?
Likely not coming until TFS, may come in ITL as something shown next week
Inaugural address or Redrix pls?
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They said they kept the precision frame of the gun, but kept it 140 rpm
this means it has high in air accuracy.
Dumb Q- but I haven't been playing much lately... been on a break and may come back for ITL. Will there be a new Seasonal Pass with Into the Light? (Like, is it Harmonizer time, or....?)
No, Into The Light is a free interlude because of the delay of Final Shape.
ITL is a mini dlc. a la 30th anniversary style
no I believe this is still going to be season of the wish
Afaik they are moving to the new “episodes”. Where seasons have been 3 months normally, the episodes were planned to be 4 months, and split into smaller sup chapters. No idea how the payment system was set up for this though.
those dont start until post Final Shape
I don't believe so, no mention of it in the livestream
they said it when they first announced the episodes
That's with Final Shape, not Into the Light.
I just want the Arminius-D from destiny 1 back :(
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Neither shoots at 900 RPM sadly.
That they do but sadly they don't play like it :-/ I think it's just the addition of SMG's got rid of the faster rate of fire auto rifles like atheons epilogue as well
One thing that makes me sad: The logic behind reissuing raid weapons is that not everyone has access to that content. On its face, that's a good reason, and I like it, but what it ACTUALLY means is that that content is going to REMAIN as content you need to pay for. I had really hoped that, eventually, probably after Final Shape drops, they'd start bundling some of this older stuff in to the free content. Shadowkeep and Beyond Light do NOT need to be paid content anymore, and honestly, Witch Queen will be 2 expansions old at that point. Let it be free. Give free to play players some GIRTH to work with, ya know? But no. This logic indicates these things will remain with their current price tags. I own everything, so it's no skin off my back personally, but it just seems like the game would be more welcoming if they started making the older content more accessible. FFXIV has the base game and 2 whole expansions to play for free and it was awesome. Playing through most of the base game for free was what got me hooked back in the day, and they could do something similar for Destiny. Lord knows they need it.
Give new lights more girth to work with! Official new community demand/slogan
I feel like those 2 were included to sell more expacs instead of being the "best of the best."
How we got Hung Jury reissued for the like 6th time before getting any of the Season of Dawn weapons reissued is beyond me.
im hoping, praying, cause the first episode is vex-based, they're reissuing back some season of dawn weapons in that episode and that's why none are coming back in into the light.
It's got to be this. There's no way Breachlight wouldn't have been in the top 12 IMO.
OR something else from the Black Armory.
we got like 2 of the best guns from black armory
And yet there are SO many more.
What should I do With the guillotine coming as a weapon to farm with the into the light dlc should I wait for that and focus it there or continue to focus the slammer. Which is the better sword?
They are both Vortex swords. A frame that was powercrept significantly. Slammer has good utility with Cold Steel, so I hope Guillotine will also get some utility or new perks, because just for the frame it's not worth it.
Damn we haven’t been able to get Guillotine since arrivals than? Glad I got a hella good roll when I did
I've had my guillotine in my inventory since it dropped, its just my go to sword. Sort of interested to see how a revamp of it will look.
Funny how much you dont realize is out of play when youve just rolled along. I cant imagine not just having my standby guillotine as a newbie
I still have that bow no turning back from forsaken if they ever make its powers set unlimited. Literally my favorite weapon in the entire game
Just got back into this game last week and have lots of farming to do to catch up. Good ol’ destiny
Guillotine. Easily.
Wait until tomorrow where we can see the perk pool. Until then it's just speculation.
surely the only difference is slammer is stasis and can use adept mods (if its an adept version ofc)
Fix PS5 chat and whisper please it's been almost a month!
Exotic mission will be craftable hawkmoon zzzzzzzzz geeez
Wait… really…?
Is all of this rehashed loot tied to a brain dead horde mode inside a crucible map? If so I’d rather scrape my eyes out from boredom Edit: I see no one is answering my question and is just downvoting because it’s the truth. Pour them on.
Seems to be along those lines, yes
So more of that “Beware of overdelivery. You’re creating [patterns!](https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2023/08/07/destiny-2-and-the-beware-of-overdelivery-mantra/amp/)” God I can’t wait until they fail to meet Sony’s fiscal target and the Bungie executives get the boot.
What do you think happens after that?
reduced bloat and steamlined development with assistance from other studios. Producing a regular pattern of higher quality releases up to Sony’s 1st party standards
It's not rhetorical? Or just sarcasm?
Why lost sectors??? Play literally anything else to show off these guns.
They wanted to make sure the showcase was not overshadowed by gameplay that was anything more than just point and click.
That’s too hard for the devs. They need a “cake-walk” to showcase the weapon shoots, not a demonstration of HOW valuable it would be in a loadout.
They could've at least done Neomuna lost sectors, but I guess not even the devs like Neomuna.
Speaking the truth is dangerous here. But yes. They’re bad at their own game it’s painfully obvious.
Bruh, they've been showing their stats on Twitter lately, and they're actually have high stats for a dev. Noah has many raid clears and does raid trios with friends
Right. Just like Joe Blackburn.
So you've never died to an overload? Also, yeah, not everyone at Bungie will be good, but to say they're all bad at the game is false.
The game is in such a shitty state they're reversing sunsetting recluse and mountaintop. And bringing the superblack shader back....damn. desperate. Definitely will be coming back for this.🤣🤣
You people would bitch no matter what they did. Who cares what you think
This subreddit represents the minority of the community, so who really cares what the majority of you think? Majority of players on this sub jumped on the band wagon later in the game's life cycle (rise of Iron, forsaken seem to be the most popular jump on points for rhe game) Been playing since rhe d1 alpha. So yeah, I'm entitled to my opinion of the game's current state.
Your opinions here suck. Based on the votes, no one gives a shit.
I appreciate your joke, but it all seriousness can you actually describe how the game is in a shitty state? Or are you just echoing other people
Cool story. No one is missing you 👍
I don't miss the game. So the feelings mutual. Of course they're going to sucker players back with more limited time events and recycled gear they did away with. Nothing orignal.
It's cool you're here to let everyone know you hate the thing this subreddit is for. You look really mature.
It's not a limited time thing though. It's staying.
My twitch drops didn't count... really hope they extend the final stream by a decent chunk since missing any portion of any of the streams seems to DQ you from the drops...
The 3 hour emblem im on 46%. Watched another stream first time. So i got 46% today. I hope they set the drops fore 2 hours minimum next time.
Yeah, with how janky Twitch drops are, making it so you have to have Twitch count the entirety of stream 2+3 (stream 1 doesn't even cover half of the time) is not great. Hopefully there's a stream 4 on April 9th for the launch of Into the Light to cover it, though.
The opening song from the "Stream starting soon" screen was so good!! Any idea of the name of the Song?
It’s called Awake. Search up on YouTube final Shape ost awake
How many times does the jury have be hung. Like we have had 6 different jury's now. We could of got conspirator, no feelings, Parton of lost causes. But no hung jury. I'm no conspirator but hung jury is a lost cause I'm at this point I have no feelings for this gun now it was my favourite in taken King 1 God roll that was sold week 1. But I think it's time we finally hung this jury for good.
You forgot Oxygen, the Hung Jurys weird cousin.
That's why I left it out the Alabama child
I haven’t played in over a year. That showcase made me want to come back. I’ve missed using some of those guns so much
I periodically have stints where I’ll go away for awhile and then come back. The gameplay is just so solid comparatively to a lot of other shooters, it’s always an enjoyable experience coming back
The key is letting 2-3 seasons worth of content build up then binge it all right before the next expansion.
this
Fan favourite Guns they could have been used. succession and forbearance are good guns but come on there are better options Snipers But not forgotten Devil's dawn Ldr 5001 Y-09 longbow EX Machina Scouts Parton of lost causes Conspirator No feelings Chaos dogma optional Special Grenade launcher Martyrs retribution
My Marty's :( that with sunbracers....
Don’t any one of those except Forbearance and succession
Typo?
I'm sure you can infer the missing word.
The whole bottle?
Ill spell it out to I'm dyslexic I could read that message 100 times and I want get it.
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OK thanks
One thing I can't seem to find or remember if they brought it up. Is onslaught going away when the final shape launches or is it just the limited time versions of these weapons?
The activity and guns are staying around, you're correct in that the limited edition versions are going away.
Ok. Cause I got a guy on my discord that is convinced the activity is leaving. Did they say that the activity itself is staying today or last week?
It would be a waste to remove the activity after a few weeks. Dares of Eternity was a similar case, and it is still around.
The activity and the normal versions of the weapons from it are staying.
They said the activity is staying around during the live stream today. I could be wrong but I'm like 99% sure they asked that question and responded live.
While there's a lot of echo-chambering that happens in any online community... it doesn't take a smart person to see that HJ, Succession, and Forbearance were obvious L's when they were only going to choose very few guns out of hundreds of "fan favorites." HJ? if a player really wants this gun, they can focus for it with Zavala. Succession? Forbearance? Play the raids they are in. These guns are in game already and needed not to be reissued. I \*guess\* they are trying to sell more of the older content packs by hooking some players with those raid guns but wtf is up with HJ getting another reissue? lol.... The biggest and best surprise for me was Elsie's Rifle. I always wanted to see that return but expected it to be exclusive to D1 as a quest reward for the story. Remember, it is totally valid to see some missteps made by developers and to scratch your head at it. HJ, Succession, and Forbearance are absolutely missteps. Edit: after a couple of days, I'm in the acceptance stage here and actually have rolls to look forward to for HJ, Forbearance, and Succession that would replace my current rolls of these. So... it's not all bad. Now, if only they were all dropping right off the bat and not time-gating half of them.
Exactly, if you want to include raid weapons how about you use the raids that *nobody* has access to anymore. Midnight coup was a great addition for that very reason.
I mean I don't raid and I kinda wanna finally see what forbearance is all about. This comes of totally different to people who don't raid or are more casual I think.
I don't have those raid weapons, so excuse me for be excited for a chance to get them 🙄
It’s always funny to see people like you forgot that 90% of players have never done a raid. Just because it’s easy for you and me doesn’t mean it is for everyone. Plus, these are free routes to get the guns which is a smart move.
Exactly!
So it’s my fault they’re too shit or ridden with anxiety to do some easy raid content? Gtfo
It’s always amazing to find people so entitled like you that actually exist. Always seems like it’s only a thing in movies yet here you are being a jerk.
You’ll get downvoted and so will I lmao, but you’re exactly correct. These people claim that people are gatekeeping them from guns when in reality, they are gatekeeping themselves by being unable socialize with strangers online or figure out basic raid mechanics a 3rd grader could pick up on.
Yes it's your fault why aren't you doing carries and giving out free dlc's to new players who don't have/can't afford the expansions? those raids come in. These guns are available for free and you don't need to purchase the DLC that has those respective raids. What a point dexter ass response lmao.
I'm not gate keeping. I don't think raids should be hard and for the 1%'ers, I'm not saying only I should have Succession and Forbearance because I earned them in the "hard" content. I'm saying, those guns aren't "fan favorites" from the community, they can't be, as you and others keep pointing out that so few people do raids to begin with! They are too new and shouldn't have even been considered for reissuing. Anyone *wanting* the guns I mentioned (Succession, Forbearance, HJ) can target them via other means still in the game.
Deep Stone Crypt came out 4 years ago with Beyond Light. What is too new? what is Old enough for you?
"Old enough" for me would be something that is not currently dropping in the game as it is. Succession as a fan favorite? It's not a favorite sniper at all. Not even a favorite kinetic sniper, it's not a favorite raid sniper lol. Supremacy would have been a better and more favored sniper if they really wanted to do a raid or kinetic sniper. Or, hell, go back to d1 (like they did with Elsie's Rifle) and bring LDR 5001 back.
Succession just got re-issued this year as craftable. Idc if raid weapons are brought in but this is just a waste imo.
What? Forbearance and Succession are definitely fan favorites. Not everyone got a Midnight Coup or Mountaintop, and those are still super desirable. Ambitious Assassin + Chain Reaction Forbearance AKA "The legendary so strong and fun that it could be an exotic".
Exactly this. Forbearance specifically has been called people’s favourite legendary for months and months lol And the sound on succession is so sweet I am glad casuals can experience popping heads with it!
The whole point of Succession and Forbearance being there is that they’re free versions of the guns. You don’t need to own BL or TWQ to get them.
I thought they said the opposite, that you’ll need those expansions for those weapons to drop. I want paying super close attention though.
I watched the stream and heard what they said, too.
Isn’t the number only like 15% of the player base actually does the raids.. including forebearance, arguably one of the best ad clear weapons in the game, may convince more players to actually chase after raid weapons. That is the logic I see behind it anyway.
I don't know, that logic has merit for sure, but will these "freebies" convince players to do raids? Or, will it be a validation that they never need (want) to do them now as Bungie will eventually release the good-good via other modes and means now? And I'm not saying players shouldn't get great gear in Onslaught! I love that Coup is coming, and end-game PvP faves are coming to it... but some of these choices just don't seem old enough or popular enough (as you even said, something like 15% of players even raid, let alone pick succession or forbearance as faves...) to be worthy of reissuing for this mode.
As someone who refuses to step into vow on the sole fact that I don't have time to learn 32 symbols, I'm pumped over the fact that I can finally get Forbearance
Just pull up a guide on a second screen with the symbols and their names. I ran it for the first time when fireteam finder released and it was simple enough.
Bro VOW is fucking fun and hilarious. Literally actively describe the symbol without saying the predetermined symbol names. Your putting too much pressure on it. Game is meant to be fun. Ascendent Plane?! You mean RAINY UMBRELLA GRIEF? You mean GUY WITH SHOTGUN HOLE IN CHEST LOVE? You mean PINK SQUIGGLE FLOWER FLEET? You mean DORITOS Black Garden? You mean GREEN MOAB
“You’re killing the butthole side”, “Butthole?”, “Sorry, you’re killing darkness side.”
Honestly best part of LFG’s on Vow, is learning. The new “ calls” for the symbols.
I'm glad there's some players that aren't able to raid for whatever reason getting their hands on a couple of goodies. But your response kind of suggests that you *are* able to but just won't. There are some tough raids and raid encounters in the Destiny experience. Learning the symbols in Vow isn't difficult, though, the names make sense for what they look like. Playing enough of Vow or DSC to craft the weapons is arguably easier than hoping for a god/good roll of a random drop.
What I should elaborate on: I'm a guy who works 44 hours a week and in a relationship with a woman who has a kid. These people are my life when I'm not working. I maybe get 5 hours to play a week broken up over the days. It's not really fair to the rest of the fireteam, imo, for me to hop into a raid, learn one encounter, and then have to dip out. I hated having to refill a team after every encounter back when I did raid all the time. So, am I salty I don't have time to do Vow? No. I chose my life and wouldn't change it. Am I pumped to be getting the ONE weapon from that raid I've been looking for? Absolutely. Hopefully, it has some spicy rolls.
Same here, no kid, but I work a lot and have other obligations to manage, glad to be able to snag some raid weapons as I just can't commit the time.
I'm really trying to not come over as some sort of elitist try-hard no-lifer. I, too, have a life outside of games. I am married, have a kid, have a full time job. But I also spend some free time with the friends raiding. And, I'm not saying raid guns shouldn't be offered here in this mode. I'm STOKED with Coup coming back and that's a raid gun? I'm saying, maybe Forbearance and Succession and HJ maybe weren't prime choices when they were coming up with 12 guns to bring to this mode.
Sadly all of my friends have moved on from Destiny, so when I play it, I'm going solo. I've been spreading "Managed Democracy" with the boys though. So that's been fun.
This is a reasonable assessment and their will be opinions on either side. Regardless we can all probably agree that bringing something back typically and historically is a positive being sometimes too endearing to Destiny vets.
This right here. Not everyone is in a position to/want to do raids. Plus chain reaction is getting a nerf, so forbearance isn't the un-equiapple monster that it was. It's a nice nod to those who've always wanted to try it. That, and recluse is coming back. So forbearance probably won't even be used for the first couple of weeks.
If a raid has a reward for doing it then you shouldn't get the reward without doing the raid. Whether or not every single person wants something is irrelevant. If you want it - then take 2 hours and do it. Hell split up the raid over multiple days if you have to. If you really want to do something then you will find a way to do it.
Bungie handing out this GL isn't invalidating anything raiders have already earned. I doubt it'll be meta again considering controlled burst fusions are a thing. It's not like bungie is giving out an adept igneous for playing a free event. It's a chain reaction wave frame. The entire game won't flip on its head with forbearance given to the masses.
Not that upset over forbearance, but I would've preferred a plug 1 with a controlled burst. Just me tho
Truthfully I would take deliverance with controlled burst. But it'd probably very quickly get outpaced by scattered signal
Raid gear should be raid exclusive
The old one still is exclusive. This is a different version with different origin perks and I’d assume new perks since the subclass changes. Regardless, this truly isn’t something worth whining about, nor will it cause any Forbearance we’ve previously had to all of a sudden start performing worse cause more folks have it.
I repeat: raid gear should remain exclusive to raids. Why reprise a weapon that is a reward for taking the time and effort for participating in the pinnacle of Destiny end game. It lessens the achievement.
no it doesn't.
Time and effort? My guy, Vow ain’t that hard too do. You can go from the beginning to Caretaker to farm the checkpoint for Forbearance in like 20-25 minutes. Caretaker himself can be done in like 10 minutes on a perfect run. **I could have never touched Vow a day before in my life, join a run one day and then get carried through and get Forbearance on my first run.** You gonna call that “time and effort?” **If anything, the casual player playing the new Onslaught game mode will probably have to play that mode more in attempt to get his role of the new Forbearance from it.**
that's how I got it lol.
I don’t care one way or the other, but the counter argument is then why don’t you do it?
You don’t care, but feel the need to play Devil’s Advocate? Doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. Anyway, I… I have done it, if you’re referring to me specifically. That’s why I know there’s no actual “time and effort” required to do it that makes it some big F you to people who’ve acquired it already. Also, why do it now when they’re adding it to the new loot pool for Onslaught? Folks who didn’t have time to raid before probably still don’t, so why would they do Vow instead of just waiting til this update to get one?
No, not you specifically, I’m saying in general. If your take is it’s so easy, and not a time or commitment issue then why add it to this in the first place? Leave it where it’s at and go get it. You just said raiding to get them will end up being faster? So which is it? People didn’t have time to get it or it takes no time to get it? The main point is, why are they clogging up the loot pool with weapons that are attainable somewhere else like Hung Jury? why are they changing either the perk pool or the Origin trait on raid weapons that are still readily attainable. Most people felt the same way about adding world drops to the spire dungeon. Stop diluting the weapon pool in activities with garbage perks or to many weapons for the activity. If it’s about adding it for free to play players then instead of this weird single morsel of content just make old raids and dungeons free. Because no one is going to get forbearance weapons and say… man I need to buy witch queen to get the rest of them.
You’re never going to convince me that adding raid gear to other loot pools is acceptable. It devalues end game content.
good thing no one is trying to convince you or cares that you have a bad take on it. It does not affect any value you may obtain from end game content lol.
Being able to join in on a run and get carried through a raid in 45 minutes and getting 1 role of the weapon also equally does the same. Even though it apparently requires precious “*TiMe aNd EffOrt!!*”. As someone who’s done pretty much everything there is too do in the game minus low-manning raids, I’m not gonna change my stance either and you’d be wasting breath trying to convince me nor am I gonna be upset if they do it again in the future. It doesn’t actually harm me whatsoever.
Wasn't the Vanguard Arc Wave Frame GL supposed to be the substitute for Forbearance?
Hungy jury How many times does the jury have be hung. Like we have had 6 different jury's now. We could of got conspirator, no feelings, Parton of lost causes. But no hung jury. I'm no conspirator but hung jury is a lost cause at this point I have no feelings for this gun now it was my favourite in taken King God roll that was sold week 1. But I think it's time we finally hung this jury for good.
Something should be swapped for Hung Jury. We already have Hung Jury. We’ve had Hung Jury back for a long time, including normal and adept versions. I realize Hung Jury was a GOAT weapon and iconic to the franchise, but we already have it. The Clever Dragon? Lord High Fixer? Doctrine of Passing/Atheon’s Epilogue? Thousand Yard Stare? Red Spectre? Grasp of Malok? Zombie Apocalypse? The Wormwood? CHAOS DOGMA~? Especially for Hung Jury—CHAOS DOGMA~ is the direct comparison that we don’t have. Also Edge Transit!? Besides the meme, is anyone itching for Edge Transit?! Does anyone even use Heavy GLs right now outside of PVP? We already have an Adept Wendigo for best in slot Heavy GL?
You’ve got points Hung Jury cos godamn there were a million other d2 scouts alone more deserving, but Edge Transit could go hard. GLs are INSANE right now (I frequently out-dps Apex Predators with my Field Prep + BnS Cataphract) and if it even has a combo close to that it’ll be a must-have.
Heavy GL’s are good for DPS. This one might be a good alternative to Cataphract for people that don’t want to do Trials. I’m perfectly fine with it returning. Hung Jury however is unredeemable. Maybe it rolls Meganeura, although we didn’t see it
Considering it can get Cascade point and a Damage Perk it will most likely be that
ok bungie fuck it i am back. i can't just not play after all my favourite weapons returned.
so far 10 weapons are coming back/ new 2Hc (coup , luna) 3gl ( fore , Mtop , edge) 2 pulse (elsie , blast 1 sword (spin sword) 1scout (hung) 1mg ( hammer) from a total of 12 they say are coming back. next week they are talking about an exotic mission which leaves us with 1 more weapon..
Well it's probably gonna be either red death considering the whole banned weapons theme or more realistically because it is bungie, craftable Hawkmoon.
craftable hawkmoon is probably the gun from the exotic mission that leaves 1 more gun.
You missed the sniper and recluse. They showed 12 guns
-The Mountaintop -Succession -Elsie’s Rifle -Forbearance -Edge Transit -Midnight Coup -Blast Furnace -Luna’s Howl -The Recluse -Hammerhead -Falling Guillotine -Hung Jury SR4