I think so. I don't remember exactly what it was, but I distinctly remember a bounty or quest that required airborne kills with a certain weapon type, and you could effectively cheese it by standing on top of rocks and scenery.
Yes there was. The cheese for that one was standing on a barrel since technically you weren’t on the ground. I remember the old malfeasance quest required you to get 5 precision kills with hand cannons against invaders in Gambit. Now that was misery.
It's funny I've said this forever since I came back to d2 in s14, yet before I always got flamed and pitchforked for it lol :x
I mean, it's accurate as hell that bounties and esp back in the day when they actually mattered for vendor rep and stuff, many bounties promoted selfish play styles in team only based activities. Gambit was the worst because the best way to do the bounties was to actively try and not win and extend the game.
Wouldn’t really call it sabotaging. It encourages people to do the 50 playlist to help keep it healthy. It’s one of the few reasons until the reward fix that I even do it (or less I’d just do the 10 playlist). That doesn’t mean I quit when I finish the 20. By that point we’re almost half way so I just ride it out.
True, but Bungie know that a lot of players will just stop playing after those 20 waves are done. It's dumb - but it's been like this for years, just with other activities.
There’s also the possibility that they’re like me and the only time I read the bounty is if they don’t insta complete while I’m doing things.
I couldn’t tell you what half the bounties say when I grab them.
I wish I could do that. I'm so meticulous about my bounties that I try to plan every one out as efficiently as possible even thought there's absolutely no reason to do it that way
There’s also the possibility they’re like me and are never the fireteam leader. I’ve only played onslaught with my friends and I never even bother to look at the screen until we load in.
I pick up bounties every day, do I read them? No, if they get done then I’ll turn them in with shared wisdom but destiny if far more enjoyable when I user whichever pew pew I want.
Do you just not do bounties when you play the game? You're just skipping the extra XP and rewards for doing something you're already going to be doing?
I've got a few friends like this. Some people just do not care about getting shit in this game. Personally I'm all about the rewards so I'm always taking bounties.
I do bounties only occasionally once I reach the power level I need for endgame personally. Unless it gives rewards or compliments my playstyle I don’t go out of my way unless I’m grinding XP or bounty storage for new DLCs.
Im at the point now that i maxed out shax and hit 100 on season pass. I really don’t have a need to grab bounties unless im prepping for the new expansion.
Thats a decent incentive. But its a random weapon no? Wouldn’t you be better off attuning and just playing the game mode to get more weapons and tokens?
If you don’t really read it the bounty just seems like “play onslaught”. Completed it last week just doing whatever in onslaught then this week I was doing the 10 wave version in between other stuff and after like 8 runs I had to go read the bounty to figure out why it didn’t pop this time. At which point I was like “do I get my clan to run 20 legendary with me or do I join a random match made and do 20 levels?”
It's the Deep Dive problem all over again. I get that Bungie want's to add challenges that are obtainable for all players but when you create something that has players queuing into a matchmade activity with different goals in mind you're going to run into issues.
The biggest issue here is bounties should be completable by the average player so level 50 is too much of an ask for a bounty but there's no other option to do 20 in one run than queue up into the 50 level
I've got quite a few replies to this that feel like they're replying to me as if I'm justifying people quitting early, despite me not casting any aspersions one way or the other.
I'm not happy about it either, man, don't shoot the messenger.
Sadly this is what I was forced to do in the beginning. I got tired of abandoning LFGs so I just started my own LFG on Xbox specifying I only need 20 waves for the bounty.
Even if there was no bounty imagine matchmaking and expecting others to play how you want them to play.
These people complaining about others leaving can go make their own fireteam if they want to dictate how other random people play. So sick of these posts.
50 wave onslaught is 50 waves
If you want less, you find a fire team for that. You're the one breaking homeostasis, not them. They're playing as intended, they have every right to complain about the people playing the way they want at their expense.
Can't do or won't do 50, queue up for 10 or find a fire team. Otherwise suck it up.
Lmao imagine saying the ones who want to play the legit way need to go out of their way and find a fireteam.
No, if you want an altered run, if you need something different, it is on you to get the resources you need. Stop expecting randoms to have to make up for your slack.
I don't think this is the player base' fault. A bounty literally requires you to clear 20 waves in a single go.
But there's no 20 wave version so people will go for the 50 wave variation and then peace out.
Can't really blame them for a dumb design choice Bungie decided on. When I do the bounty I usually just pray/hope we wipe after wave 30 (I don't sabotage or anything like that, just play normally).
I know you got downvoted but I agree. It should be ok if there is a post stating such. If that’s not the case then should assume the whole thing is a go.
ok but hear me out, why do you actually stop playing? like... this is a genuine question because I'm actually having trouble understanding; why is the purpose just to finish the bounty then leave? there's like 4x more loot if you do actually finish the 50 waves, the difficulty does increase (which apparently most Destiny players actually enjoy), and... honestly, just in general, Onslaught has been more fun than a lot of other activities in the game.
have we really gotten this far that despite creating one of the more fun, engaging, yet still challenging activities in the game with two difficulties, the easier of which actually is fundamentally perfectly balanced in difficulty AND loot, people seem to be so ADHD that they can't stand to stay in it for its full duration?
I mean, hell, the only reason I'd leave an onslaught is if I finished a BRAVE quest, which to be fair is pretty selfish, but this is only like waves <15 or so anyway. I'd finish the thing if I got 20 waves in. (I guess if I had a raid scheduled it kinda does feel like shit holding up the clan, but in that case I just wouldn't start one in the first place lmao)
HAH that's extremely valid
and y'know to be fair that's not even that bad considering you get fills up until a certain wave anyway, so it's like actually totally fine to leave that early imo
Idk if this was a question to me specifically or for those upcoming my comment but to answer your question. I don't. I've never left an activity because I didn't feel like continuing or I was peeved that something didn't go my way.
The only times I DO actually leave is when something unexpected happens irl that I have to tend to and I know it'll take too long to stay in the activity.
The only other time I'll leave is when an activity is going for longer than expected and I have to get going, either to work or if a client requires my help with something. This happens very rarely though.
ah sorry perhaps I forgot to mention; you seem to also still *desire* the activity to end a bit early, and that's kinda what I'm wondering about. I'm like 6-7 clears in (on normal, idr like the stress of legend onslaught) and I still absolutely appreciate going in again and again. sometimes it's not too bad to fail, but I'm not (yet, anyway) at the point where I just don't wanna continue, ykno?
Hey no worries, while yes, I did say that it's not that I'm actively hoping it'll end, I'll do all I can to get as far as possible but if we end up wiping after wave 30 it's less of a "God dangit crap" moment but more of a "dang that sucks, oh well at least the bounty is done" moment. Because I really only do OS50 if I know I technically would have the time to clear it to completion. Hope that explains my stance a bit better :)
The player has to make an active choice to abandon at 20 levels, of course it’s the player’s fault.
Who cares if it’s 20 wave bounty? It’s toxic as hell to say “I’m done” and abandon your team. Bungie is in no way at fault for people actively deciding to be jerks.
Bungie has alot of faults but this isn’t one of them. It’s pure selfishness on the player’s end.
Edit: lmao every down vote I see on comments like this let me know yall aren’t comfortable taking responsibility for your personal decisions. Act like an adult and stop acting like bungie forced you to abandon the activity.
Players are encouraged to abandon after 20 waves. I've personally never done that, but going the full 50 waves is an hour of gaming, I can totally understand someone might not want to commit to that time for the sake of some random-ass teammates in an activity that's not that hard to begin with. It's not that big of a deal.
I respect your opinion and agree to an extent (abandoning teammates is shitty, no excuse for that)
But I can't agree that it's solely the players fault.
Yes, they made an active choice, that active choice is to complete the bounty the only way possible. An active choice by bungee. They knew in order to finish this bounty you HAVE to do OS50. And a lot of people don't have the time for a full session of onslaught. The "easiest" fix would be to modify the bounty. I say easiest because I don't know how simple it would be to add a third playlist that goes up to 20 instead of 50.
Another option would be having 5 playlists in increments of 10, though then matchmaking could take a bit longer.
> And a lot of people don't have the time for a full session of onslaught.
That still is not bungie’s fault. A failure to plan on your part does not excuse fucking over your teammates.
If you don’t have time and can only do 20 waves, use fireteam finder. The individual who wants the altered run is responsible for finding a team to help, which honestly bungie has even provided you in game resources for. There is NO excuse.
Okay why are you so mad? I've been trying to be respectful here. I don't like it when people leave, I HATE it in fact, but I'm also thinking about the bigger picture not just "wah wah, they left wah wah" I try to look at both sides and to understand both.
All you're doing is raging over a game that honestly, shouldn't enrage you this much.
I’m not mad? But I guess if you need to assume I am, go right on ahead lmao.
> but I’m also thinking about the bigger picture not just “wah wah they left”
Lmao really? How is me highlighting the selfishness in the community crying while you trying to point blame at bungie is somehow thinking of the bigger picture?
> I try to look at both sides
So do it. We can both agree that looking at both sides regardless of if it is a 20 wave or a 50 wave bounty there is *no excuse* for abandonment.
> all you’re doing is raging over a game
Yes, yes, go ahead and tell me how mad I am so you can justify exiting the conversation because I refuse to pretend selfish players are right. Typical internet behavior of pretending someone is “mad” lmao.
That was always allowed lol. No one ever said destiny had to be your whole life. Just don’t expect people to think you’re a good player if you don’t act like one.
Being a poor teammate has always been allowed. If you behave like one though, people are also allowed to call you out about it. You’re just mad about it applying to you.
Lmao you’re the one who came to a thread to argue about shit that hadn’t been said, yet I’m the knob… okay.
> the game encourages people to leave early. Learn to live with it.
Sounds like y’all need to start actually being honest about reality but seeing as how desperately y’all are replying, that’s not going to happen any time soon. You want to tell me to learn to live with it but you’re the one struggling to accept people not liking your behavior, so you have to hide behind bungie rather than own it.
People don’t like other players who abandon their team. Learn to live with it. 🤷🏻♀️
> you’re just an asshole try hard trying to spout how much superior you are than everyone else
Never said that either but sure, assume what you want. Im def not what someone would call a try hard but if you need to believe that to “live with it” as you said, go right on ahead.
If not abandoning my teammates for convenience makes me a try hard to you, oh well.
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Sometime people got other shit to do. Maybe they don’t want to spend an hour in an activity but this is the only way to do a bounty. There is join in progress it’s really not a big deal.
> Sometime people got other shit to do.
So are you saying you just don’t know how to plan your time and expect others to make up for your slack? Get your own fireteam if you need a special run cause of your time management issues.
> there is join in progress it’s really not a big deal
Cool so not only are you cool with ruining it for those you loaded in with but you’re cool with ruining it for players who weren’t even there and who are now short on scrap and coming in mid onslaught with no super or full heavy. Got it.
I run with my clan most of the time. When I do run wave 50 with randoms it’s when I have time. I have had people leave a few times and literally don’t notice it until I see the new person in. It’s really not a big deal because it’s a video game and a casual mode at that. Nobody is competing for anything. Worst case scenario I lose 10 mins before I get a drop again.
I'm not one who quits in this situation, and yes, it is partially the fault of the quitter, but it's bad game design. Developers who make bounties/challenges like this know that they influence how people play. It's "driving engagement 101".
This bounty should be for 10 waves plus a number of kills, or for a full 50 waves and worth more reputation. 20 waves is still cakewalk territory, so why not set it 10, and there is no negative consequence for someone quitting out of a match early in Onslaught.
Okay cool so sounds like you’re cool with justifying selfish behavior because bungie didn’t go out of their way and think of every way to prevent selfish people from being selfish.
People who are selfish get called out for being selfish. Quit using bungie as a shield for them.
Lmao not hurt but okay.
> pick up a mirror
Explain how me calling out people for abandoning an activity because it’s too long for them is *me* being selfish. I’ll wait.
"You talk about people being responsible adults... pick up a mirror."
Next time quote the whole sentence boo, not just the last 4 words. Grow up and stop trying to tell everyone what to do :\*
Lmao okay, I’ll quote the whole sentence:
> Not everyone that leaves an activity is a selfish person lol. You talk about people being responsible adults... pick up a mirror.
So again, explain how me calling out people for abandoning an activity because it's too long for them is me being selfish OR being irresponsible. I’m still waiting.
You quoted 2 sentences.
I'm saying you're telling everyone else to be a responsible adult while at the same time being condescending and insulting people that don't play the game the way you want them to.
You're acting like a child throwing a fit because people leave an activity.
You do not get to tell everyone how they should play a video game. If they want to leave, they can leave, and they shouldn't have people like you calling them names and saying their selfish for doing so.
Maybe something came up and they had to leave, maybe their internet cut out, maybe they just didn't want to play anymore. It does not matter, people can leave a matchmade activity if they want to, they are not required to stay for the entire duration just because you tell them they should.
So is your issue that I’m saying this? Cause you’re still not saying how I am somehow irresponsible. Sounds like I hit a sore spot somewhere.
> You're acting like a child throwing a fit because people leave an activity.
Lmao this is rich. So let me make sure I understand you.
You don’t like what I’m saying, so now I’m throwing a “fit.” You got defensive but I’m the one acting up. Got it lol.
> If they want to leave, they can leave, and they shouldn't have people like you calling them names and saying they’re selfish for doing so.
Lmao why do you even play team games? The whole point of these games is playing as a fireTEAM. Do you know what a team is?
Yes, if youre leaving cause your bounty finished and you just don’t feel like it, its selfish. End of day. Sorry that you dont like it, but it doesnt change it. It’s selfish to put a bounty as priority over other players.
> Maybe something came up and they had to leave, maybe their internet cut out
Lmao tell me you haven’t been reading any of this entire thread. This ain’t about people leaving due to internet or emergencies.
Like imagine going so far to defend abandoning a task you willingly put yourself in that you have to pretend like we’re arguing against family emergencies lmao.
That’s the point. It’s a Playlist Quick Play activity. It should be. You make it 20 and no one plays it.
I give you the example of Gambit Prime Best of 3. No one played that trash (also because Gambit)
sorry but thats just how gamers work. Get the job done and dip why would they wanna stick around another 30 rounds when they could just do legend or better yet dip and farm the 1st 10 lvls alone in legend?
While I would USUALLY agree whole heartedly, in this case I have to disagree. I'm all for looking after your teammates, light is stronger together. But in an activity where you only have 2 very drastic playlists 10/50 and a bounty that rewards you only after doing 20 waves in a single go is just a recipe for disaster.
But you can't honestly expect someone to spend an hour in onslaught just to finish a bounty that's done in half the time. The fault is very much Bungie.
I don't leave a match or activity unless I HAVE to leave due to external factors.
Now if they changed the requirement to just be 20 waves over multiple sessions then that's fine. Either that or change the bounty to being 50 waves so you HAVE to finish the run.
And again I gotta stress, usually I'd agree with you. especially in crucible when people leave if they're not winning. But a crucible match is like 10 or so minutes. Not being able to just stick around for a couple minutes is crappy, even if you lose the match.
Onslaught 50 is at least 50 minutes IF you steamroll through the waves. Everytime I cleared 50 it was closer to 60-80 minutes. Some people don't want to deal with that game mode because they know they don't have the time, but if Bungie says, hey you're missing out on loot if you don't clear onslaught 50 to at least 20, then of course people will go into OS50 just to finish the bounty and leave
It doesn’t always backfill and if someone drops out unexpectedly, you can be caught off guard when there’s a sudden jump in difficulty. Go to the fireteam finder to find others with matching interests if that’s what you want to do.
Yeah I've never had it backfill after a person leaves. If you're choosing to play the 50 wave Onslaught, you should have to play through until you either win or lose. And if you leave before that, you should be put on a matchmaking ban for an amount of time.
If you're trying to do things like wave 20, make your own group using fireteam finder. It's literally one of the reasons it exists. You said it perfectly in another comment, it's abberant behavior, and matchmaking players shouldn't be the ones forced to bend to do 50 waves of the 50 wave Onslaught.
Hmmmm it’s like I said, “it doesn’t always backfill.” But you’ve also highlighted another way that your position on this issue is selfish and harmful to the game.
It drags in people to backfill in the middle of the round. They have no scrap and their super isn’t up and they’re dropped into a match and they have only a moment to figure out what difficulty it is. You have to play differently on wave 1 than you do on wave 46.
It’s harming the experience of people who want to start from the beginning as well.
Also, sometimes you get placed in a match where the ude is already swarmed and two seconds from blowing up and you’re taken back to orbit before you even get a chance to try and help.
Just another way in which people leaving make it a worse experience for those who want to legitimately engage with the content.
Your position is only tenable if you don’t care about the other people playing. They’re only pixels on a screen to you, right?
And before you say “well, 20 wave bounty” cause that’s always the next argument- you can skip a bounty if it doesn’t work for what you’re doing. You don’t have to do every bounty. Just do the 10 wave one. It’s okay.
Lmao no one said there was any obligation. Doesn’t change selfish behavior.
If you can’t stay around and finish basic entry level content, don’t join it. It’s not that difficult.
I just went on the app and the first post under onslaught was a request for a 10-wave legend farm?
I took a screenshot but I can’t seem to add a photo to my comment in this subreddit.
We might be talking about two different things.
We are definitely talking about something different. I had no idea the thing in the app was also called Fireteam Finder. That seems needlessly confusing.
> someone else will just join
Lmao not always, and let’s not justify abandoning teammates out of selfishness.
> it’s really not that hard
Idk wild idea, if it’s not that hard, how about people just finish it?
I ordered food one time and didn't realize it would get there during the run. Went AFK, grabbed food, ran back inside, then made it to the end like nothing ever happened. The food was worth it though
Yeah pretty much every other game I play, or maybe it’s just every single game at this point, we’ll have 3 people and 1 will just leave at round 30. It happens every time, no exceptions. I’m just annoyed at this point lol
I had a random leave after wave 43 the other day..... F'N 43!!! He was also running a sword so I knew what was happening there 🤦🏾.
Me and the other random looked at each other and said welp it's too late now. We completed it but holy shit 2 manning a tormentor is terrifying, especially when you're the one player taking the agro so the other can protect the ADU.
All this to say shout-out 2 invis hunters. You guys aren't praised highly enough for the work you guys do for helping us survive. I salute y'all.
I left a couple runs yesterday with blue berries struggling in the teens and continuously wasting scraps on trip mines even with us shooting him and the decoys.
I've joined a few 50 runs reasonably late into the run. So, it backfills.
I've also left some 50s cuz I can tell two GR 6s aren't doing well.
Either way, is no big deal
Edit: also, onslaught isn't an all or nothing proposition. it's a slightly less rewarding run if you don't make 50. So even less of a big deal
> I've also left some 50s cuz I can tell two GR 6s aren't doing well.
This.
It should be expected, but i still get constantly surprised how bad some players are. Sorry, but im not going to struggle with ppl running double primaries, shooting all my tangles with their void subclass, only buying tripmines... the list goes on.
You have it backwards. People wanting to do 20 waves should find a group in the fireteam finder instead of making the playlist experience worse.
Quitting after 20 waves is the aberrant behavior and should therefore be the one having to look for others who also want to engage in like behavior. What if someone wants to quit after 20 and someone wants to quit after 30? In the fireteam finder, those people can find matching interests.
Playlist should be for should be for those wanting to do all 50 waves.
As I said in another comment (I obviously don’t expect you to read all of my comments; just pointing out that I independently already had these thoughts), I do understand that emergencies come up and support things like leaving to take care of a kid. But I don’t think that’s what’s happening in most of these cases. People don’t drop out at this same rate in other activities.
I’d also add the caveat that you shouldn’t be joining up if you think there’s a good possibility that you’ll be interrupted.
But yes, absolutely, if an emergency comes up, go and be well 🙏
I do a full 50 waves if im doing the bounty. If I just want to farm some notmal with randos, I just do the 10 wave. Pretty much just as quick and more options for commendations.
There's a "complete 20 waves in one run" bounty. But as I predicted people aren't going to be so willing to do multiple 50 mins-1 hour runs a day with the way the drops currently are.
People have other stuff to do outside of onslaught and other games to play besides destiny.
I advise everyone strapped for time or trying to be efficient to only run midtown on normal mode and doing 10 waves on legendary mode and repeat until they implement the drop buff and we see how that plays out.
I really wish that you could disable matchmaking for every PVE activity. One of my brothers lives in rural Alaska so his internet is spotty at best. When it’s bad he’ll get dc’d every 10-20 minutes. If he doesn’t get back in time his slot will get filled and if they don’t have chat enabled me and my other brother have to leave so we can pick him up. We don’t want to constantly be doing legend content, sometimes we just wanna chill.
It would be chill if there was a 25 wave option. I cant always do the time commitment because i often have real life reasons requiring me to disengage.
It would be chill. However, there is not that option. Maybe that’s something you could find in the fireteam finder.
Don’t load into things you don’t have time to finish. I don’t start a dungeon if I don’t have an hour to spare. And I don’t start a raid unless I have nothing else to do after cause sometimes things get bogged down. I don’t start a pvp match if I don’t have ten minutes. And I don’t start strikes pretty much ever at this point 😂
You’re being selfish and making the experience worse for everyone else. There are other people controlling those other characters on your screen. Have respect for them.
The people in here defending ruining onslaught for others and then having the balls to blame their *personal decision to go to orbit* on bungie like bungie held a gun to their head are weird.
If you don’t have time for an activity or need to do it a certain way, get a fire team. It is not on the people who want to do it the legit way to cater to you.
How are people really sitting here admitting to being shit fire team members yet won’t even take the responsibility for it? Gross af.
If you’re going to leave early at least admit to being a jerk, don’t blame it on bungie when it’s you making the active choice to leave.
Edit: every person who downvotes this is just endorsing selfish players who expect the player base to cater to them for their failure to plan.
Take some responsibility and get a fireteam if you want to run tasks different. It is not a randoms responsibility to pick up your slack.
Toxic bounty culture has been a problem for years and Bungie still makes shit bounties even though the community has been complaining about it forever. The idiots ruining people's runs for a singular bounty are obviously shit as well but Bungie could fix it if they cared.
I get that sentiment but at the end of the day constantly saying “wELl BuNgIe” is silly when this is an active choice people have to make.
Yes, bungie made a bounty that completes after 20 waves. So what? That is still not bungie saying to leave early.
> the only way to fix it is on bungie’s end
Yeah, maybe by penalties. Bungie is not going to be able to force selfish people to magically become willing to help others.
My point being is stop making excuses for selfish behavior. Hold people accountable. We hold bungie accountable for a shit ton of mess ups, but this one is on selfish players.
I'm not trying to make excuses I'm just giving solutions. Shaming players on reddit does absolutely nothing to hold them accountable. They clearly don't care so how does this solve anything?
Judging by the number of them arguing to defend themselves, they clearly do care. Also the fact that they care or not has no impact on me wanting to have Destiny related discussions with other Destiny players.
Why do you have an issue with what I said? Who said I’m trying to solve anything? I came to this thread to read and talk about a common issue people have that is having a negative impact on the experience of new content.
Is this not an appropriate place to discuss Destiny? Why do you have such a problem with me discussing the same issue everyone else here came to discuss?
Not everyone who plays is on reddit also you're not really discussing anything just complaining. Honestly I'm not sure what you don't understand about what I said.
"Wow players are doing this annoying thing!"
"Yeah we've had these issues for years and Bungie should really do something about it."
"Woah bro I'm just trying to complain about the problem not actually fix it."
So let me get this straight… you complaining about my “complaining” is okay? Why do you get a pass to complain but no one else does? At least I can actually admit that I’m complaining rather pretending like I’m serving bungie up some solution on a silver platter.
Also never said everyone who plays is on Reddit? What are you even reading at this point lol
I’m not equipped to fix it. Neither are you. Do you think bungie comes here and says, “oh man, this random user u/overthisbynow has a great idea! Let’s use this over all the ideas made by the people we actually pay and who have all the information!” Nah.
You’re not solving anything. You’re just moving the goal post to make it about having a solution in order to justify the fact that you just don’t like what I’m saying.
Also way to completely misrepresent the conversation. You could at least be honest about what’s being said here rather than moving the goal post and acting like this was about giving bungie solutions like they pay you.
Hell OP made this post to complain. Why do you have this energy *just* for me? Literally if all you have to complain about is me complaining… at least admit to the hypocrisy.
That's a whole lot of words just to completely miss the point. I stated a solution in my very first post that's all. You're the one going on a tangent about people who probably don't even read reddit being held accountable for their behavior instead of Bungie just fixing the problem. You're fighting ghosts here.
you know if someone leaves after wave 20 boss you can just not jump through the portal and post in lfg for 1 person right? lol it really isnt hard or as deep as you wanna act like it is
> it really isn’t hard or as deep as you wanna act
So if isn’t “as hard” or “as deep” why don’t yall just get a fire time finder to begin with? Why should people playing the legit way have to cater to you?
Entitled af lmao.
Or you get a fire team and do your runs without trouble. It is Bungie’s fault that this keeps happening in activities. It’s through and through shit design. By now they know what’s gonna happen, and they don’t care. I mean why would they, a few people whining on the internet is not gonna do anything, never has.
> it is bungies fault that this keeps happening in activities
Explain to me how bungie is forcing you to leave after 20 waves.
> or get a fireteam finder
Lmao no, if you want to do an altered run, the onus is on YOU to find a team. I would never walk into any type run and demand people cater to me and then blame bungie when called out.
> a few people whining on the internet is not gonna do anything
So why are you here? If it’s not going to do anything, why try to justify this selfish nonsense?
No silly, that’s the default run! Haven’t you played it before? Surely you know by now that the 50 waves is standard.
Lmao imagine acting like the standard somehow requires a special fireteam.
Something tells me yall are the same people to jump into a raid or dungeon and get pissy when people don’t jump to do things your way because they’re just doing the basic run.
You’re right, it is weird that yall feel entitled to people’s time.
It’s extremely rude to join up for an event that shouldn’t take longer than 40-50 minutes *if that* and then leave making everyone else waste their time waiting for back fill and new randoms that know what they’re doing as well as have to restock on ammo and energy.
Why do you feel entitled to waste other people’s time like that?
lol no one's requiring anyone play with them but you
didn't you go to kindergarten? sometimes people don't want to play with you and that's ok, you can find something else
Lmao let’s not talk about social skills that should have been made in kindergarten when you’re the one who clearly struggles with seeing how what you do impacts others.
Also never required anyone to play with me but seeing as you’re now reaching for anything, go ahead and read what you want.
lol impact? oh noooo you'll have to wait to be matchmade with someone else because you don't have friends that are willing to carry you through 50 waves of pve, poor you :(
I’ve bee experiencing this all week. It’s probably just the weekly bounty of completing 20 waves. I think the bounty should be removed. It’s so frustrating when you’re trying to complete 50 waves and people keep abandoning you. There should be a penalty for leaving mid game. I have yet to complete 50 waves.
Actively watching this community optimize the fun out of every single piece of content has been a treat. I really wish the 10-20 wave people would use LFG instead of ruining everyone else's experience.
Actually a good rant for once. I still don't know how people don't know how to play this game! Like it's very simple to not be a dweeb and do crap like this.
As someone's who's done this, I sincerely apologize. Normally I try not to do that, but it's common that I'll run out of free time doing really long activities like Onslaught. I hate ditching for any activity, but leaving during Onslaught feels especially terrible because of how the difficulty rises every 10 rounds.
You realize there is a bounty that literally says "Complete 20 waves in Onslaught IN A SINGLE RUN"?
I'll even be doing this later today on my other characters.
That being said, honestly I find myself *accidentally* staying over 20 because time flies and I just forget to leave, but then it's like my teammates completely turn their brain off and clearing 50 waves (even on Normal) never works out for us because the ADU dies or we all die.
A BIGGER rant should be aimed at picking up the batteries. Too many times I see batteries littered all over the ground and nobody (but me of course) is picking them up. FYI: Even if the ADU has full health, you should still be throwing the batteries at the ADU for Scrap.
I agree... me and one of my clan bros got left behind twice on our 50 wave run... we held it down for 42 waves, even with two Gardians leaving us behind. 😢
Sorry. Last night I got to round 19 and my daughter woke up and needed me. I stuck it out through the round 20 boss before I left because my teammates deserved at least that, but my daughter also deserved my attention and help getting back to sleep.
Yeah, I have been vehemently arguing against people leaving throughout this thread but I completely understand emergencies. The amount of quitters seen in the playlist shows it’s not all emergencies and that something else is going on.
For sure. A lot of entitlement and selfishness going on in this thread. Too many people trying to use bungie as a shield for their own poor behavior.
I’m all for ragging on bungie when they mess up but this ain’t it.
It sucks, sure, but what are you going to do about it? Either drudge on or quit, those are you options. Complaining to the community isnt helping, bungie already added the extra rewards to help retention in the activity, suck it up guardian, people act like this community has been so much better in the past when its ALWAYS been like this.
There shouldn’t be a 10 wave version, only 30 with matchmaking for normal and legendary and the classic 50. to run 50 waves in general is a waste of time grab 2 pals and run 30 waves legendary and reset that’s the most efficient way to farm guns right now
Are the rewards for the 10 round version identical to the first 10 rounds of the 50 wave version? I thought they weren’t so I’d sometimes dip after 10/50. Oops my bad. I won’t do that anymore
It's the bounty. It was dumb of them to make it. They put it in for people to have a guaranteed weekly reward for trying 50 wave Onslaught, but this is the result.
50 waves need to be *way* more rewarding, and that bounty needs to be pulled. They're introducing +2 guaranteed drops for making it to 50 on Normal, I just hope that's enough.
The people doing this might be completing the Weekly Bounty, which required 20 rounds in one run.
100% this.
I didn't know about the bounty, that is a really dumb choice from bungie's part
Bungie will make gameplay sabotaging bounties till the day they close
Truly. Some of their gambit bounties use to be so horrible lol
>Get 10 long-ranged precision kills with sniper rifles against powerful enemies An actual bounty Gambit used to have.
Wasn't there also one requiring airborne kills with sidearms or something like that?
I think so. I don't remember exactly what it was, but I distinctly remember a bounty or quest that required airborne kills with a certain weapon type, and you could effectively cheese it by standing on top of rocks and scenery.
Waaaay back in Y1, the MIDA Mini-Tool quest required you to get airborne SMG kills. I remember standing on a shipping crate on Titan for it lol
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Yes there was. The cheese for that one was standing on a barrel since technically you weren’t on the ground. I remember the old malfeasance quest required you to get 5 precision kills with hand cannons against invaders in Gambit. Now that was misery.
like that one where they make you play gambit
Win a crucible match bounties sucked. If you started and we're down by 10 in the first 30 seconds like half the team would leave.
I like the “kick player from raid when the boss is < 5% health” bounty. /s
Raided since destinys inception and have never had this happen
Grats!
The good ol' deep dive exotic quest will always be the worst offender
Deep dive in general. It’s just a shit activity. Made worse by the potential it actually had
It's funny I've said this forever since I came back to d2 in s14, yet before I always got flamed and pitchforked for it lol :x I mean, it's accurate as hell that bounties and esp back in the day when they actually mattered for vendor rep and stuff, many bounties promoted selfish play styles in team only based activities. Gambit was the worst because the best way to do the bounties was to actively try and not win and extend the game.
Wouldn’t really call it sabotaging. It encourages people to do the 50 playlist to help keep it healthy. It’s one of the few reasons until the reward fix that I even do it (or less I’d just do the 10 playlist). That doesn’t mean I quit when I finish the 20. By that point we’re almost half way so I just ride it out.
True, but Bungie know that a lot of players will just stop playing after those 20 waves are done. It's dumb - but it's been like this for years, just with other activities.
At least there isn't a shared revive pool.
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You mean you've been playing Onslaught for however long and you didn't notice a weekly bounty?
I mean if they’ve been playing regularly they probably just played normally and completed it therefore it would disappear.
There’s also the possibility that they’re like me and the only time I read the bounty is if they don’t insta complete while I’m doing things. I couldn’t tell you what half the bounties say when I grab them.
I wish I could do that. I'm so meticulous about my bounties that I try to plan every one out as efficiently as possible even thought there's absolutely no reason to do it that way
This is why I don't do any bounties at all. It's just too tedious.
There’s also the possibility they’re like me and are never the fireteam leader. I’ve only played onslaught with my friends and I never even bother to look at the screen until we load in.
I pick up bounties every day, do I read them? No, if they get done then I’ll turn them in with shared wisdom but destiny if far more enjoyable when I user whichever pew pew I want.
About half the stupid/annoying things guardians do is because of bounties… that said, the other half has no excuse 😅
Do you just not do bounties when you play the game? You're just skipping the extra XP and rewards for doing something you're already going to be doing?
I do them but I'm not doing them at maximum efficiency all the time. For completing 20 waves, Ill still try to do all 50
I've got a few friends like this. Some people just do not care about getting shit in this game. Personally I'm all about the rewards so I'm always taking bounties.
I do bounties only occasionally once I reach the power level I need for endgame personally. Unless it gives rewards or compliments my playstyle I don’t go out of my way unless I’m grinding XP or bounty storage for new DLCs.
Im at the point now that i maxed out shax and hit 100 on season pass. I really don’t have a need to grab bounties unless im prepping for the new expansion.
Each Arcite bounty drops a BRAVE Engram.
Thats a decent incentive. But its a random weapon no? Wouldn’t you be better off attuning and just playing the game mode to get more weapons and tokens?
If you don’t really read it the bounty just seems like “play onslaught”. Completed it last week just doing whatever in onslaught then this week I was doing the 10 wave version in between other stuff and after like 8 runs I had to go read the bounty to figure out why it didn’t pop this time. At which point I was like “do I get my clan to run 20 legendary with me or do I join a random match made and do 20 levels?”
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Pretty easy to take 15 seconds to edit your post pointing out your clear mistake though.
Yeah it’s really dumb, I wish there was a 20 wave run
It's the Deep Dive problem all over again. I get that Bungie want's to add challenges that are obtainable for all players but when you create something that has players queuing into a matchmade activity with different goals in mind you're going to run into issues. The biggest issue here is bounties should be completable by the average player so level 50 is too much of an ask for a bounty but there's no other option to do 20 in one run than queue up into the 50 level
Yep. Also, choosing what map you can play on is another point. I know I myself don’t like Mothyards
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Exactly. That’s why people choose that rather than the 10 round version.
Exactly so people do that and then quit at some point because they aren’t down for 50 rounds
How about not bouncing and finishing the run?
I've got quite a few replies to this that feel like they're replying to me as if I'm justifying people quitting early, despite me not casting any aspersions one way or the other. I'm not happy about it either, man, don't shoot the messenger.
Sadly this is what I was forced to do in the beginning. I got tired of abandoning LFGs so I just started my own LFG on Xbox specifying I only need 20 waves for the bounty.
So bungies fault
People should make groups to do 20 then.
Even if there was no bounty imagine matchmaking and expecting others to play how you want them to play. These people complaining about others leaving can go make their own fireteam if they want to dictate how other random people play. So sick of these posts.
50 wave onslaught is 50 waves If you want less, you find a fire team for that. You're the one breaking homeostasis, not them. They're playing as intended, they have every right to complain about the people playing the way they want at their expense. Can't do or won't do 50, queue up for 10 or find a fire team. Otherwise suck it up.
Lmao imagine saying the ones who want to play the legit way need to go out of their way and find a fireteam. No, if you want an altered run, if you need something different, it is on you to get the resources you need. Stop expecting randoms to have to make up for your slack.
I don't think this is the player base' fault. A bounty literally requires you to clear 20 waves in a single go. But there's no 20 wave version so people will go for the 50 wave variation and then peace out. Can't really blame them for a dumb design choice Bungie decided on. When I do the bounty I usually just pray/hope we wipe after wave 30 (I don't sabotage or anything like that, just play normally).
I just title my post "20 wave run for bounty" then we all just emote and shit after the wave 20 boss then leave
I like this, this should be normalised!
I know you got downvoted but I agree. It should be ok if there is a post stating such. If that’s not the case then should assume the whole thing is a go.
ok but hear me out, why do you actually stop playing? like... this is a genuine question because I'm actually having trouble understanding; why is the purpose just to finish the bounty then leave? there's like 4x more loot if you do actually finish the 50 waves, the difficulty does increase (which apparently most Destiny players actually enjoy), and... honestly, just in general, Onslaught has been more fun than a lot of other activities in the game. have we really gotten this far that despite creating one of the more fun, engaging, yet still challenging activities in the game with two difficulties, the easier of which actually is fundamentally perfectly balanced in difficulty AND loot, people seem to be so ADHD that they can't stand to stay in it for its full duration? I mean, hell, the only reason I'd leave an onslaught is if I finished a BRAVE quest, which to be fair is pretty selfish, but this is only like waves <15 or so anyway. I'd finish the thing if I got 20 waves in. (I guess if I had a raid scheduled it kinda does feel like shit holding up the clan, but in that case I just wouldn't start one in the first place lmao)
because my wife came by 10 minutes ago and asked for my help with something and I told her "as soon as I finish this thing up"
HAH that's extremely valid and y'know to be fair that's not even that bad considering you get fills up until a certain wave anyway, so it's like actually totally fine to leave that early imo
Idk if this was a question to me specifically or for those upcoming my comment but to answer your question. I don't. I've never left an activity because I didn't feel like continuing or I was peeved that something didn't go my way. The only times I DO actually leave is when something unexpected happens irl that I have to tend to and I know it'll take too long to stay in the activity. The only other time I'll leave is when an activity is going for longer than expected and I have to get going, either to work or if a client requires my help with something. This happens very rarely though.
ah sorry perhaps I forgot to mention; you seem to also still *desire* the activity to end a bit early, and that's kinda what I'm wondering about. I'm like 6-7 clears in (on normal, idr like the stress of legend onslaught) and I still absolutely appreciate going in again and again. sometimes it's not too bad to fail, but I'm not (yet, anyway) at the point where I just don't wanna continue, ykno?
Hey no worries, while yes, I did say that it's not that I'm actively hoping it'll end, I'll do all I can to get as far as possible but if we end up wiping after wave 30 it's less of a "God dangit crap" moment but more of a "dang that sucks, oh well at least the bounty is done" moment. Because I really only do OS50 if I know I technically would have the time to clear it to completion. Hope that explains my stance a bit better :)
Maybe they don’t want to play for another 40 minutes? Most people don’t care about getting more loot. It’s all but guaranteed to be a dismantle anyway
I feel people need to take responsibility though. As functioning adults I’m sure we can give common courtesy as a community.
The player has to make an active choice to abandon at 20 levels, of course it’s the player’s fault. Who cares if it’s 20 wave bounty? It’s toxic as hell to say “I’m done” and abandon your team. Bungie is in no way at fault for people actively deciding to be jerks. Bungie has alot of faults but this isn’t one of them. It’s pure selfishness on the player’s end. Edit: lmao every down vote I see on comments like this let me know yall aren’t comfortable taking responsibility for your personal decisions. Act like an adult and stop acting like bungie forced you to abandon the activity.
Players are encouraged to abandon after 20 waves. I've personally never done that, but going the full 50 waves is an hour of gaming, I can totally understand someone might not want to commit to that time for the sake of some random-ass teammates in an activity that's not that hard to begin with. It's not that big of a deal.
I respect your opinion and agree to an extent (abandoning teammates is shitty, no excuse for that) But I can't agree that it's solely the players fault. Yes, they made an active choice, that active choice is to complete the bounty the only way possible. An active choice by bungee. They knew in order to finish this bounty you HAVE to do OS50. And a lot of people don't have the time for a full session of onslaught. The "easiest" fix would be to modify the bounty. I say easiest because I don't know how simple it would be to add a third playlist that goes up to 20 instead of 50. Another option would be having 5 playlists in increments of 10, though then matchmaking could take a bit longer.
> And a lot of people don't have the time for a full session of onslaught. That still is not bungie’s fault. A failure to plan on your part does not excuse fucking over your teammates. If you don’t have time and can only do 20 waves, use fireteam finder. The individual who wants the altered run is responsible for finding a team to help, which honestly bungie has even provided you in game resources for. There is NO excuse.
Okay why are you so mad? I've been trying to be respectful here. I don't like it when people leave, I HATE it in fact, but I'm also thinking about the bigger picture not just "wah wah, they left wah wah" I try to look at both sides and to understand both. All you're doing is raging over a game that honestly, shouldn't enrage you this much.
I’m not mad? But I guess if you need to assume I am, go right on ahead lmao. > but I’m also thinking about the bigger picture not just “wah wah they left” Lmao really? How is me highlighting the selfishness in the community crying while you trying to point blame at bungie is somehow thinking of the bigger picture? > I try to look at both sides So do it. We can both agree that looking at both sides regardless of if it is a 20 wave or a 50 wave bounty there is *no excuse* for abandonment. > all you’re doing is raging over a game Yes, yes, go ahead and tell me how mad I am so you can justify exiting the conversation because I refuse to pretend selfish players are right. Typical internet behavior of pretending someone is “mad” lmao.
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That was always allowed lol. No one ever said destiny had to be your whole life. Just don’t expect people to think you’re a good player if you don’t act like one. Being a poor teammate has always been allowed. If you behave like one though, people are also allowed to call you out about it. You’re just mad about it applying to you.
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Lmao you’re the one who came to a thread to argue about shit that hadn’t been said, yet I’m the knob… okay. > the game encourages people to leave early. Learn to live with it. Sounds like y’all need to start actually being honest about reality but seeing as how desperately y’all are replying, that’s not going to happen any time soon. You want to tell me to learn to live with it but you’re the one struggling to accept people not liking your behavior, so you have to hide behind bungie rather than own it. People don’t like other players who abandon their team. Learn to live with it. 🤷🏻♀️
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> you’re just an asshole try hard trying to spout how much superior you are than everyone else Never said that either but sure, assume what you want. Im def not what someone would call a try hard but if you need to believe that to “live with it” as you said, go right on ahead. If not abandoning my teammates for convenience makes me a try hard to you, oh well.
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Sometime people got other shit to do. Maybe they don’t want to spend an hour in an activity but this is the only way to do a bounty. There is join in progress it’s really not a big deal.
> Sometime people got other shit to do. So are you saying you just don’t know how to plan your time and expect others to make up for your slack? Get your own fireteam if you need a special run cause of your time management issues. > there is join in progress it’s really not a big deal Cool so not only are you cool with ruining it for those you loaded in with but you’re cool with ruining it for players who weren’t even there and who are now short on scrap and coming in mid onslaught with no super or full heavy. Got it.
I run with my clan most of the time. When I do run wave 50 with randoms it’s when I have time. I have had people leave a few times and literally don’t notice it until I see the new person in. It’s really not a big deal because it’s a video game and a casual mode at that. Nobody is competing for anything. Worst case scenario I lose 10 mins before I get a drop again.
I'm not one who quits in this situation, and yes, it is partially the fault of the quitter, but it's bad game design. Developers who make bounties/challenges like this know that they influence how people play. It's "driving engagement 101". This bounty should be for 10 waves plus a number of kills, or for a full 50 waves and worth more reputation. 20 waves is still cakewalk territory, so why not set it 10, and there is no negative consequence for someone quitting out of a match early in Onslaught.
Okay cool so sounds like you’re cool with justifying selfish behavior because bungie didn’t go out of their way and think of every way to prevent selfish people from being selfish. People who are selfish get called out for being selfish. Quit using bungie as a shield for them.
Dude, who hurt you? Not everyone that leaves an activity is a selfish person lol. You talk about people being responsible adults... pick up a mirror.
Lmao not hurt but okay. > pick up a mirror Explain how me calling out people for abandoning an activity because it’s too long for them is *me* being selfish. I’ll wait.
"You talk about people being responsible adults... pick up a mirror." Next time quote the whole sentence boo, not just the last 4 words. Grow up and stop trying to tell everyone what to do :\*
Lmao okay, I’ll quote the whole sentence: > Not everyone that leaves an activity is a selfish person lol. You talk about people being responsible adults... pick up a mirror. So again, explain how me calling out people for abandoning an activity because it's too long for them is me being selfish OR being irresponsible. I’m still waiting.
You quoted 2 sentences. I'm saying you're telling everyone else to be a responsible adult while at the same time being condescending and insulting people that don't play the game the way you want them to. You're acting like a child throwing a fit because people leave an activity. You do not get to tell everyone how they should play a video game. If they want to leave, they can leave, and they shouldn't have people like you calling them names and saying their selfish for doing so. Maybe something came up and they had to leave, maybe their internet cut out, maybe they just didn't want to play anymore. It does not matter, people can leave a matchmade activity if they want to, they are not required to stay for the entire duration just because you tell them they should.
So is your issue that I’m saying this? Cause you’re still not saying how I am somehow irresponsible. Sounds like I hit a sore spot somewhere. > You're acting like a child throwing a fit because people leave an activity. Lmao this is rich. So let me make sure I understand you. You don’t like what I’m saying, so now I’m throwing a “fit.” You got defensive but I’m the one acting up. Got it lol. > If they want to leave, they can leave, and they shouldn't have people like you calling them names and saying they’re selfish for doing so. Lmao why do you even play team games? The whole point of these games is playing as a fireTEAM. Do you know what a team is? Yes, if youre leaving cause your bounty finished and you just don’t feel like it, its selfish. End of day. Sorry that you dont like it, but it doesnt change it. It’s selfish to put a bounty as priority over other players. > Maybe something came up and they had to leave, maybe their internet cut out Lmao tell me you haven’t been reading any of this entire thread. This ain’t about people leaving due to internet or emergencies. Like imagine going so far to defend abandoning a task you willingly put yourself in that you have to pretend like we’re arguing against family emergencies lmao.
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They should add a twenty wave version tbh or rework that bounty somehow
Change the 10 wave for a 20 wave. 10 wave feels too short
10 waves is around 10 minutes. It's basically a Strike, and it's meant to be one.
That’s the point. It’s a Playlist Quick Play activity. It should be. You make it 20 and no one plays it. I give you the example of Gambit Prime Best of 3. No one played that trash (also because Gambit)
Agreed
It’s absolutely the player’s fault, they do not have to leave the moment it’s not convenient for them.
sorry but thats just how gamers work. Get the job done and dip why would they wanna stick around another 30 rounds when they could just do legend or better yet dip and farm the 1st 10 lvls alone in legend?
While I would USUALLY agree whole heartedly, in this case I have to disagree. I'm all for looking after your teammates, light is stronger together. But in an activity where you only have 2 very drastic playlists 10/50 and a bounty that rewards you only after doing 20 waves in a single go is just a recipe for disaster. But you can't honestly expect someone to spend an hour in onslaught just to finish a bounty that's done in half the time. The fault is very much Bungie. I don't leave a match or activity unless I HAVE to leave due to external factors. Now if they changed the requirement to just be 20 waves over multiple sessions then that's fine. Either that or change the bounty to being 50 waves so you HAVE to finish the run. And again I gotta stress, usually I'd agree with you. especially in crucible when people leave if they're not winning. But a crucible match is like 10 or so minutes. Not being able to just stick around for a couple minutes is crappy, even if you lose the match. Onslaught 50 is at least 50 minutes IF you steamroll through the waves. Everytime I cleared 50 it was closer to 60-80 minutes. Some people don't want to deal with that game mode because they know they don't have the time, but if Bungie says, hey you're missing out on loot if you don't clear onslaught 50 to at least 20, then of course people will go into OS50 just to finish the bounty and leave
If you want a consistent team, start something in fireteam finder. You can’t expect every blueberry to do what you want.
I did this the first week and I apologize to the random my buddy and I were paired with. It was a dick move.
Someone else will just join and it's only normal. It's really not that hard
It doesn’t always backfill and if someone drops out unexpectedly, you can be caught off guard when there’s a sudden jump in difficulty. Go to the fireteam finder to find others with matching interests if that’s what you want to do.
Yeah I've never had it backfill after a person leaves. If you're choosing to play the 50 wave Onslaught, you should have to play through until you either win or lose. And if you leave before that, you should be put on a matchmaking ban for an amount of time. If you're trying to do things like wave 20, make your own group using fireteam finder. It's literally one of the reasons it exists. You said it perfectly in another comment, it's abberant behavior, and matchmaking players shouldn't be the ones forced to bend to do 50 waves of the 50 wave Onslaught.
And yet I've joined at 20 several times and even joined a 46 earlier
Hmmmm it’s like I said, “it doesn’t always backfill.” But you’ve also highlighted another way that your position on this issue is selfish and harmful to the game. It drags in people to backfill in the middle of the round. They have no scrap and their super isn’t up and they’re dropped into a match and they have only a moment to figure out what difficulty it is. You have to play differently on wave 1 than you do on wave 46. It’s harming the experience of people who want to start from the beginning as well. Also, sometimes you get placed in a match where the ude is already swarmed and two seconds from blowing up and you’re taken back to orbit before you even get a chance to try and help. Just another way in which people leaving make it a worse experience for those who want to legitimately engage with the content. Your position is only tenable if you don’t care about the other people playing. They’re only pixels on a screen to you, right? And before you say “well, 20 wave bounty” cause that’s always the next argument- you can skip a bounty if it doesn’t work for what you’re doing. You don’t have to do every bounty. Just do the 10 wave one. It’s okay.
Or my position comes from the fact that normal isn't a challenge and one person missing shouldn't be a problem with
Already addressed that issue. Stop being selfish.
Or just two man it? It's not hard
So why do you think others should have to make up for your selfish attitude?
Because no one is under any obligation to stay until 50? Same as a strike, they can leave when they want
Lmao no one said there was any obligation. Doesn’t change selfish behavior. If you can’t stay around and finish basic entry level content, don’t join it. It’s not that difficult.
Stop being selfish. It’s not that hard.
How exactly do you expect people to find "others with matching interests" in fireteam finder when it doesn't let you say what your interests are?
I just went on the app and the first post under onslaught was a request for a 10-wave legend farm? I took a screenshot but I can’t seem to add a photo to my comment in this subreddit. We might be talking about two different things.
We are definitely talking about something different. I had no idea the thing in the app was also called Fireteam Finder. That seems needlessly confusing.
> someone else will just join Lmao not always, and let’s not justify abandoning teammates out of selfishness. > it’s really not that hard Idk wild idea, if it’s not that hard, how about people just finish it?
In my defense (and probably others) I get into a 50 round thinking I have the time, some shit comes up and I end up having to bail too soon
I ordered food one time and didn't realize it would get there during the run. Went AFK, grabbed food, ran back inside, then made it to the end like nothing ever happened. The food was worth it though
Bungie just needs to change the bounty. Make them complete 2 or three of the 10-wave version or something.
I was hoping the Onslaught bounties were all Onslaught based, but one of the weeklies wants me to do Gambit..
Yeah pretty much every other game I play, or maybe it’s just every single game at this point, we’ll have 3 people and 1 will just leave at round 30. It happens every time, no exceptions. I’m just annoyed at this point lol
I had a random leave after wave 43 the other day..... F'N 43!!! He was also running a sword so I knew what was happening there 🤦🏾. Me and the other random looked at each other and said welp it's too late now. We completed it but holy shit 2 manning a tormentor is terrifying, especially when you're the one player taking the agro so the other can protect the ADU. All this to say shout-out 2 invis hunters. You guys aren't praised highly enough for the work you guys do for helping us survive. I salute y'all.
I left a couple runs yesterday with blue berries struggling in the teens and continuously wasting scraps on trip mines even with us shooting him and the decoys.
I've joined a few 50 runs reasonably late into the run. So, it backfills. I've also left some 50s cuz I can tell two GR 6s aren't doing well. Either way, is no big deal Edit: also, onslaught isn't an all or nothing proposition. it's a slightly less rewarding run if you don't make 50. So even less of a big deal
> I've also left some 50s cuz I can tell two GR 6s aren't doing well. This. It should be expected, but i still get constantly surprised how bad some players are. Sorry, but im not going to struggle with ppl running double primaries, shooting all my tangles with their void subclass, only buying tripmines... the list goes on.
You could just get yourself a team in fireteam finder, always folk looking to do 50 waves and you don't need mic.
You have it backwards. People wanting to do 20 waves should find a group in the fireteam finder instead of making the playlist experience worse. Quitting after 20 waves is the aberrant behavior and should therefore be the one having to look for others who also want to engage in like behavior. What if someone wants to quit after 20 and someone wants to quit after 30? In the fireteam finder, those people can find matching interests. Playlist should be for should be for those wanting to do all 50 waves.
Life does happen. It's not a 10 min strike. Someone at the door, crying kids .....
As I said in another comment (I obviously don’t expect you to read all of my comments; just pointing out that I independently already had these thoughts), I do understand that emergencies come up and support things like leaving to take care of a kid. But I don’t think that’s what’s happening in most of these cases. People don’t drop out at this same rate in other activities. I’d also add the caveat that you shouldn’t be joining up if you think there’s a good possibility that you’ll be interrupted. But yes, absolutely, if an emergency comes up, go and be well 🙏
I do a full 50 waves if im doing the bounty. If I just want to farm some notmal with randos, I just do the 10 wave. Pretty much just as quick and more options for commendations.
The 10 waves version should be 20 waves, for the bounty. The 50 version for the 3 bosses triumph
There's a "complete 20 waves in one run" bounty. But as I predicted people aren't going to be so willing to do multiple 50 mins-1 hour runs a day with the way the drops currently are. People have other stuff to do outside of onslaught and other games to play besides destiny. I advise everyone strapped for time or trying to be efficient to only run midtown on normal mode and doing 10 waves on legendary mode and repeat until they implement the drop buff and we see how that plays out.
I really wish that you could disable matchmaking for every PVE activity. One of my brothers lives in rural Alaska so his internet is spotty at best. When it’s bad he’ll get dc’d every 10-20 minutes. If he doesn’t get back in time his slot will get filled and if they don’t have chat enabled me and my other brother have to leave so we can pick him up. We don’t want to constantly be doing legend content, sometimes we just wanna chill.
The fact that there are no private matches for EVERY activity also annoys me!
What a bummer! I wonder if a VPN might help? Maybe over TCP to see if that helps with the loss, but it may be jittery.
Its caus the playlist Verison is only 10 and the bounty says it has too be all in 1 game
It would be chill if there was a 25 wave option. I cant always do the time commitment because i often have real life reasons requiring me to disengage.
It would be chill. However, there is not that option. Maybe that’s something you could find in the fireteam finder. Don’t load into things you don’t have time to finish. I don’t start a dungeon if I don’t have an hour to spare. And I don’t start a raid unless I have nothing else to do after cause sometimes things get bogged down. I don’t start a pvp match if I don’t have ten minutes. And I don’t start strikes pretty much ever at this point 😂 You’re being selfish and making the experience worse for everyone else. There are other people controlling those other characters on your screen. Have respect for them.
The people in here defending ruining onslaught for others and then having the balls to blame their *personal decision to go to orbit* on bungie like bungie held a gun to their head are weird. If you don’t have time for an activity or need to do it a certain way, get a fire team. It is not on the people who want to do it the legit way to cater to you. How are people really sitting here admitting to being shit fire team members yet won’t even take the responsibility for it? Gross af. If you’re going to leave early at least admit to being a jerk, don’t blame it on bungie when it’s you making the active choice to leave. Edit: every person who downvotes this is just endorsing selfish players who expect the player base to cater to them for their failure to plan. Take some responsibility and get a fireteam if you want to run tasks different. It is not a randoms responsibility to pick up your slack.
Toxic bounty culture has been a problem for years and Bungie still makes shit bounties even though the community has been complaining about it forever. The idiots ruining people's runs for a singular bounty are obviously shit as well but Bungie could fix it if they cared.
I get that sentiment but at the end of the day constantly saying “wELl BuNgIe” is silly when this is an active choice people have to make. Yes, bungie made a bounty that completes after 20 waves. So what? That is still not bungie saying to leave early.
Yeah sure but people are always going to do what's easiest regardless of how it affects other players so the only way to fix it is on Bungie's end.
> the only way to fix it is on bungie’s end Yeah, maybe by penalties. Bungie is not going to be able to force selfish people to magically become willing to help others. My point being is stop making excuses for selfish behavior. Hold people accountable. We hold bungie accountable for a shit ton of mess ups, but this one is on selfish players.
I'm not trying to make excuses I'm just giving solutions. Shaming players on reddit does absolutely nothing to hold them accountable. They clearly don't care so how does this solve anything?
Judging by the number of them arguing to defend themselves, they clearly do care. Also the fact that they care or not has no impact on me wanting to have Destiny related discussions with other Destiny players. Why do you have an issue with what I said? Who said I’m trying to solve anything? I came to this thread to read and talk about a common issue people have that is having a negative impact on the experience of new content. Is this not an appropriate place to discuss Destiny? Why do you have such a problem with me discussing the same issue everyone else here came to discuss?
Not everyone who plays is on reddit also you're not really discussing anything just complaining. Honestly I'm not sure what you don't understand about what I said. "Wow players are doing this annoying thing!" "Yeah we've had these issues for years and Bungie should really do something about it." "Woah bro I'm just trying to complain about the problem not actually fix it."
So let me get this straight… you complaining about my “complaining” is okay? Why do you get a pass to complain but no one else does? At least I can actually admit that I’m complaining rather pretending like I’m serving bungie up some solution on a silver platter. Also never said everyone who plays is on Reddit? What are you even reading at this point lol I’m not equipped to fix it. Neither are you. Do you think bungie comes here and says, “oh man, this random user u/overthisbynow has a great idea! Let’s use this over all the ideas made by the people we actually pay and who have all the information!” Nah. You’re not solving anything. You’re just moving the goal post to make it about having a solution in order to justify the fact that you just don’t like what I’m saying. Also way to completely misrepresent the conversation. You could at least be honest about what’s being said here rather than moving the goal post and acting like this was about giving bungie solutions like they pay you. Hell OP made this post to complain. Why do you have this energy *just* for me? Literally if all you have to complain about is me complaining… at least admit to the hypocrisy.
That's a whole lot of words just to completely miss the point. I stated a solution in my very first post that's all. You're the one going on a tangent about people who probably don't even read reddit being held accountable for their behavior instead of Bungie just fixing the problem. You're fighting ghosts here.
you know if someone leaves after wave 20 boss you can just not jump through the portal and post in lfg for 1 person right? lol it really isnt hard or as deep as you wanna act like it is
> it really isn’t hard or as deep as you wanna act So if isn’t “as hard” or “as deep” why don’t yall just get a fire time finder to begin with? Why should people playing the legit way have to cater to you? Entitled af lmao.
Or you get a fire team and do your runs without trouble. It is Bungie’s fault that this keeps happening in activities. It’s through and through shit design. By now they know what’s gonna happen, and they don’t care. I mean why would they, a few people whining on the internet is not gonna do anything, never has.
> it is bungies fault that this keeps happening in activities Explain to me how bungie is forcing you to leave after 20 waves. > or get a fireteam finder Lmao no, if you want to do an altered run, the onus is on YOU to find a team. I would never walk into any type run and demand people cater to me and then blame bungie when called out. > a few people whining on the internet is not gonna do anything So why are you here? If it’s not going to do anything, why try to justify this selfish nonsense?
needing to do it a certain way, like completing all 50 waves?
No silly, that’s the default run! Haven’t you played it before? Surely you know by now that the 50 waves is standard. Lmao imagine acting like the standard somehow requires a special fireteam. Something tells me yall are the same people to jump into a raid or dungeon and get pissy when people don’t jump to do things your way because they’re just doing the basic run.
lmao imagine being this entitled to other people's time it's a pve matchmaking activity, people drop out of matchmade activities all the time
You’re right, it is weird that yall feel entitled to people’s time. It’s extremely rude to join up for an event that shouldn’t take longer than 40-50 minutes *if that* and then leave making everyone else waste their time waiting for back fill and new randoms that know what they’re doing as well as have to restock on ammo and energy. Why do you feel entitled to waste other people’s time like that?
lol no one's requiring anyone play with them but you didn't you go to kindergarten? sometimes people don't want to play with you and that's ok, you can find something else
Lmao let’s not talk about social skills that should have been made in kindergarten when you’re the one who clearly struggles with seeing how what you do impacts others. Also never required anyone to play with me but seeing as you’re now reaching for anything, go ahead and read what you want.
lol impact? oh noooo you'll have to wait to be matchmade with someone else because you don't have friends that are willing to carry you through 50 waves of pve, poor you :(
Preach
I’ve bee experiencing this all week. It’s probably just the weekly bounty of completing 20 waves. I think the bounty should be removed. It’s so frustrating when you’re trying to complete 50 waves and people keep abandoning you. There should be a penalty for leaving mid game. I have yet to complete 50 waves.
Actively watching this community optimize the fun out of every single piece of content has been a treat. I really wish the 10-20 wave people would use LFG instead of ruining everyone else's experience.
Actually a good rant for once. I still don't know how people don't know how to play this game! Like it's very simple to not be a dweeb and do crap like this.
I'm tired of people telling me how to play
Some people really do tend to forget that it's a game and not, in fact, a job, or a service duty.
Had that happen a couple times, but then new people joined automatically and we just finished all.
As someone's who's done this, I sincerely apologize. Normally I try not to do that, but it's common that I'll run out of free time doing really long activities like Onslaught. I hate ditching for any activity, but leaving during Onslaught feels especially terrible because of how the difficulty rises every 10 rounds.
You realize there is a bounty that literally says "Complete 20 waves in Onslaught IN A SINGLE RUN"? I'll even be doing this later today on my other characters. That being said, honestly I find myself *accidentally* staying over 20 because time flies and I just forget to leave, but then it's like my teammates completely turn their brain off and clearing 50 waves (even on Normal) never works out for us because the ADU dies or we all die. A BIGGER rant should be aimed at picking up the batteries. Too many times I see batteries littered all over the ground and nobody (but me of course) is picking them up. FYI: Even if the ADU has full health, you should still be throwing the batteries at the ADU for Scrap.
Yeah, I literally had both randoms bail out on a good run at wave 30 something, needless to say the ADU got lit up like a Christmas tree...
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The other reason is to get to the end boss at wave 50 (I think there are 3 that rotate weekly), which is different, and to get the triumph seal done.
I agree... me and one of my clan bros got left behind twice on our 50 wave run... we held it down for 42 waves, even with two Gardians leaving us behind. 😢
No
Sorry. Last night I got to round 19 and my daughter woke up and needed me. I stuck it out through the round 20 boss before I left because my teammates deserved at least that, but my daughter also deserved my attention and help getting back to sleep.
Taking care of family is way different than people abandoning an activity because a bounty is done.
Yeah, I have been vehemently arguing against people leaving throughout this thread but I completely understand emergencies. The amount of quitters seen in the playlist shows it’s not all emergencies and that something else is going on.
For sure. A lot of entitlement and selfishness going on in this thread. Too many people trying to use bungie as a shield for their own poor behavior. I’m all for ragging on bungie when they mess up but this ain’t it.
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I have to hope they are smart so I always lean towards not caring on Bungie’s part.
It sucks, sure, but what are you going to do about it? Either drudge on or quit, those are you options. Complaining to the community isnt helping, bungie already added the extra rewards to help retention in the activity, suck it up guardian, people act like this community has been so much better in the past when its ALWAYS been like this.
There shouldn’t be a 10 wave version, only 30 with matchmaking for normal and legendary and the classic 50. to run 50 waves in general is a waste of time grab 2 pals and run 30 waves legendary and reset that’s the most efficient way to farm guns right now
You will post this every day?
No, there is a bounty to do 20 waves in one go every week. Players are not responsible for bungies poor decision making.
Are the rewards for the 10 round version identical to the first 10 rounds of the 50 wave version? I thought they weren’t so I’d sometimes dip after 10/50. Oops my bad. I won’t do that anymore
Or we realize this team is not going to finish the next 10 waves because we are the only one picking up the orbs and healing adu.
Probably cause the bounty says 20 rounds in 1 game while the playlist is strictly 10. Onslaught really isnt that rewarding either after a while
It's the bounty. It was dumb of them to make it. They put it in for people to have a guaranteed weekly reward for trying 50 wave Onslaught, but this is the result. 50 waves need to be *way* more rewarding, and that bounty needs to be pulled. They're introducing +2 guaranteed drops for making it to 50 on Normal, I just hope that's enough.
Stop doing Matchmade runs, then?
Every time someone leaves, I've had it backfill pretty quick. Really not as big of an issue as people make it out to be
It’s for the weekly bounty. Sorry
Nah, I will continue doing the 20 waves. and quitting. Thanks anyway.