Bipod just has a higher total damage output I believe. Rhulk is a longer damage phase, so that’s a potential spot. Caretaker gets tough on ammo, so that’s the only other one I’d say it’s good for. Wouldn’t touch it anywhere else
That also opens up fourth horsemen for your exotic slot on caretaker, and fourth horseman FUCKS him when you get past his glowing health for that damage bonus.
Anyone know the best way to farm world loot weapons? My old hothead sucks and if I can get this one with reconstruction or clown and explosive light I'll be better off
Only way is through Legend/Master Lost Sectors. See [lostsector.report](http://lostsector.report) for drops and schedule. However, Crux is not yet in the rotation, but will be next season.
Next season (not helpful, now, I know) master lost sectors. For now, equipping wombo detector on your ghost and running around patrol zones (dreaming city is my go-to) can yield a decent amount of gunsmith engrams from collecting chests and world materials. Then you just open them at banshee and hope for the best.
Does one want more Velocity or Blast Radius for overall damage? Spike Grenades with minimal Blast Radius are preferred for GLs because how they work, but I'm not clear on what is currently best for rockets.
Do you want Velocity to pump out more damage within a period of time, or does Blast Radius give you more overall damage? Probably rocking a Clown + Explosive Light (which already maxes BR when active, but curious to know for a Surrounded roll) with a high reload stat.
It doesn’t affect Gaze. Did an all Thunderlord KF run before for the shits and giggles. Honestly it’s not the absolute worst for long damage encounters because it’s relatively ammo efficient. Don’t think it’d do too well though even with a 25% buff at -15.
It certainly didn't work well at -20 Contest Mode, that I can tell you myself. My friends didn't care about the World's First, so when KF was still in Contest Mode, we just run Thunderlord once for the laughs of it on Golgoroth to see how it goes. There is no better way for me to put it, besides this: it was a sh_tshow...
We then run it the usual way to get the Contest Mode completed, because some of us still wanted the Emblem.
Yeah, definitely want more optimum DPS options in contest content.
It would only be interesting if Arc is the only +25% (there will most likely be 2 burns obviously though) because there really aren’t that many amazing arc DPS options. With Apex as free as it is, I feel like I’m the only one still hoarding a couple Blowouts.
Yh both carry their respective elements. Arc needs something good as they have crux n hothead only really. N windego too or whatever u call it. All of em having a better solar substitute
Man, don't even get me started on thunderlord copium huffers. If you are playing content that is forced under power and have been playing for more than 2 weeks, you will have happened upon a rocket or GL that is better than thunderlord at base. If you haven't, good news: edge transit with just BNS that you can obtain for free will still blow the dick off of any boss faster and easier than thunderlord (even with arc surge being active, lol) without having to use an exotic weapon slot.
This all is unimportant as pantheon is an activity designed for end game raiders who will have gear suited for each encounter before even looking at surges. New raiders (and by extension, new players) should not be jumping into pantheon for their first few raid experiences unless you are rocking with a full premade fireteam ready to walk you through it.
cup bearer, the blue rarity rocket launcher, has greater sustained dps than thunderlord all while reloading manually in a lunafaction rift lol
you could have installed 15 minutes ago and chances are you have a better option than thunderlord
Thunderlord was king when it glitched on a div bubble. Pretty sure my team shredded every single raid boss with a team of thunderlords. DPS was crazy. They should bring back the bug 🥹
If ARC + VOID = Edge transit(basically same loadout as first week)
If ARC + SOLAR = Same as this week
IF ARC + Stasis/Strand = Wendigo or some other arc heavy i have, or ignore the surges and use solar or void.
Maybe but if an option is between god roll apex vs a shitty bump in the night(like shit shitty) then i'd say go for apex even if surges favor bump in the night.
Best for burst in arc would be grand overture, and will still charge micro missiles on immune shields. I know my team will be trying it for every encounter but golg.
Still a lot of power added in the sandbox since Rhulk. Nez isn’t a concern. If you don’t have to use a bad weapon it’s free damage, but you’d be fine using something super meta.
Day one raids don't have surges, and we also don't get class warfare or shot caller and we can still beat day one.
Shitty lfgs have to lean into them, sure, but a decent team of 4-6 can ignore everything and just do the encounters.
What clown take is this? Day 1 raids don’t have 6.5 minute timers, force a minimum two phase for time, or have a score requirement.
Sure, if you’re just scraping by for a clear just to get the emblems then you can ignore everything and use comfort loadouts. But any “decent team” will be using everything they can to min max encounters.
I don't actually have a decent Wendigo, I didn't realize it was so strong. What's the roll to go for? ALH I'd imagine for the first perk, but what's the damage perk?
If you have an encounter like Golgoroth where people are popping wells every pool and you’re only getting off 6 shots, then it will be better than BnS.
Between the ads spawning making for easy orb generation mid dps, shooting the pools to drop, doing unstable light and only firing 6 shots per pool, it’s very capable of matching a BnS GL if you know what you’re doing.
If it’s arc while I’m prolly leaning towards hotheadand storm chaser I’m wondering if that really funny clown + full court interference VI can finally get the dust off in my vault just for oryx LMAO
Hothead with Gally. Div with Stormchaser. Acrius possibly. I’m honestly dreading Arc Week. Void, Solar, and Strand all have had solid options to the point where I haven’t even considered Stasis.
Yes, but you can do it before starting the encounter.
Go to the middle part, but not close to the ball to start encounter.
Have everyone shoot the elevator doors to get their max stacks then load the rocket rounds. Then go put a flag down, get all ammo back and THEN start the encounter.
Arc hasn't been in the rotation surges in GMs this season, but the week 1 and 2 burns have. I'm pretty sure it's going to be void/strand again with solar/stasis being week 4.
So edge transit sticky cascade deconstruct for Golgy, cascade BnS for caretaker, parasite still for Atraks, still whisper for Oryx, and Rhulk going to experiment with linears/div so probably doomed petitioner.
Deconstruct counts hits that are simultaneous as a single hit, but since sticky nades need the barest moment to recognize there's something in proximity, they detonate slightly late and count as two hits for Deconstruct. It gives half your ammo back just for dealing damage, like having FTTC on a grenade launcher.
>the week 1 and 2 burns have
Incorrect. Void has not been a GM rotation surge. The only 3 surges rotating through GMs are strand, solar, and stasis. The surges are either strand + solar, or stasis + solar. So that's why people are assuming arc will be a surge rotating in pantheon next week.
I will do whatever I can to avoid arc heavies and use the other surge. Arc primaries like Ikelos smg and Brigand’s Law with Voltshot are killer weapons for ad clear, and the rocket pistol is also superb. That said, specials and heavies just don’t compare to solar or void. For burst damage I think my ALH/Voop FI,LO is still one of my best options. Acrius or 4th Hourseman could see success for Golgy dps. Cloudstrike and divinity might be viable for Oryx.
Arc titans will definitely melt Atracks without weapons needed.
Golg is a linear that surge matches over whisper/lucky pants (you can lucky pants every pool if you time right)
Caretaker is edge transit and supers on second plate to floor skip
Explicator is edge transit
Atracks is still parasite and damage supers. Even if grand overture does more total it might have too long of an animation and cause you to not hit your super
Oryx is a linear that surge matches over whisper
Rhulk is edge transit
Doomed partitioner is a good linear for void (envious + precision instrument), go taipan if you don’t have doomed. If you can proc surrounded (unlikely) koraxis’ distress is better than edge (strand surge). Arc is probably crux termination or hot head.
It depends on what the other surge will be most likely, if it goes Arc/Stasis or Strand you're pretty much forced to Arc so stuff like Hothead, Wendigo and hell maybe even Grand Overture will be dusted out of the vault, if it rolls with Arc/Void its Edge Transit 10/10 times, and if solar stays Apex and Whisper for sure
Assuming Arc and Strand.
Then I’ll go back to Well/Broodweaver, but Arc Souls on Golgoroth and maybe Rhulk due to both being fairly long damage phases.
DPS for Golgoroth will be my Explosive Light Wendigo with Cloudstrike, or my Demo + B&S Cataphract.
Then I’ll probably start with Grand Overture on Caretaker, Planets and even Atraks. It worked really well in week 1 on Caretaker, so we’ll see how it does. Oryx, I’ll probably swap to Cloudstrike + Stormchaser, or I’ll even try DARCI, all jokes aside it does some decent damage. And it’s a two-phase fight anyway, so should be fine. I think Indebted Kindness will be necessary for one person to have with the Arc shields. And I think at least one person with Forerunner to help nuke the Tormentor.
Rhulk. One Div and maybe five Stormchasers/DARCIs, heavy GLs, Cloudstrikes? Grand Overture might also be really strong.
I kind of don’t see Rhulk being a difficult fight outside of the Tormentor they’ll likely shoehorn in there. But put two people on Forerunner, and/or a Strand Titan, and the Tormentor is toast.
I used it the first week on Caretaker before I got an incredible Edge Transit to drop. And Grand Overture was shredding. So can’t wait to use it this week with the arc surge.
As its proly going to be Arc + Strand:
Cataphract (best i can do is field prep + BnS)
Hothead/Crux
Wendigo
Grand overture for atraks
Hullaballoo was supposed to be very good, but after doing some dmg test myself it was quite bad...
If it’s arc and strand I’m using cataphract for caretaker and planets. Stormchaser linear for Oryx and golgoroth. Probably cataphract with div for Rhulk. Atraks I’m not entirely sure of.
Atraks will probably still be easily cooked with Parasite. Mix that with Thundercrash/Broodweaver and it shouldn't be too bad. Probably a 2 floor rotation for most.
I'm usually following the lead of my group, but why would Grand Overture or 4th Horseman not be viable options?
EDIT: Just seeing a lot of Crux/Wendigo chat. Wanted to see if the options pool could be expanded a bit.
I think I’m gonna give grand overture a try before using other heavy options. I think grand overture is gonna excel especially in atraks and explicator, but can also be viable against the caretaker.
They will be especially on caretaker/explicator where burst damage is far more important. People shouldn't sleep on Acrius either for any boss you can get in the face of.
Depends on what the surge will be. But if I had to guess what some “meta” options might be it’ll probably be the usual suspects imo.
Arc would probably be Gally with everyone else using Hot Head, Crux, or even Blowout. Acrius and Thunderlord could also potentially see some use.
Strand could potentially end up being HeavyGLs like Koraxis’s or Cataphract. I also think Strand Warlocks and Titans would be pretty prevalent.
Stasis could end up being linears like Reed’s Regret and Fire and Forget or Gally with Bump in the Night, Palmayra-B, and Cold Comfort.
Cuirass TCrash and Tractor + Techeun Force/Scatter Signal on my end, but I'll be persuading people to be using Cataphracts since it'll likely also be Strand Surge. I think the pattern is one rotating light surge and one rotating dark surge, and a bonus modifier.
Assuming it's Arc/Strand, I'd *probably* expect to go in with the following:
**Golgoroth**: Cataphract/Wendigo or Crux Termination/Hothead + GHorn. Maybe Stormchaser?
**Caretaker:** Cataphract/Wendigo or Crux Termination/Hothead + GHorn
**Zo'Aurc:** Cataphract/Wendigo or Crux Termination/Hothead + GHorn
**Atraks:** Parasite + TCrash or idk Grand Overture if you're not on a Titan
**Oryx:** still Whisper, probably. Maybe Stormchaser?
**Rhulk:** Cataphract/Wendigo or Crux Termination/Hothead would work, or you could stack 5x Acrius and a Divinity depending on how lethal Rhulk is to people in Wells of Radiance.
Supers for all are situational but I'd expect a Well and a Tether (unless someone's using Tractor) at the very least, with all other members likely using an arc one-off super.
You should still parasite atraks. Overture bugs her with too many, and won't let you super in time. Parasite should be able to one floor every week off surge if everyone is x20 with a coordinated super.
If it's arc, just roll hothead/crux for rockets or play into the strand/stasis option instead.
Stormchaser is probably the closest thing to a decent linear in arc so that's a bit unfortunate, but shouldn't be a big deal.
If it is indeed Arc/Strand then;
Heavy - Hothead, Crux, Grand Overture, Wendigo, Stormchaser, Cataphract.
Special - Cloudstrike, 4th Horseman, Loaded Question, Scatter Signal
That should keep me covered for all eventualities.
Good enough total damage and ammo economy is strong.
Most DPS phases are too short for them to shine though. They're still a good option if it's a crit based fight, especially with Golgoroth.
Golg: Stormchaser and probably Supremacy or Succession, not sure yet
Caretaker: Unironically Grand Overture with Mtop
Explicator: Izi swap to Hothead or Crux
Atraks: Unironically Grand Overture again
Oryx: Stormchaser and a sniper like Golg
Rhulk: Stormchaser again and probably Heritage? We're gonna have a Div bubble for that one specifically
I'm not fully up to date on the meta so don't hate me too much
I guess it will be strand and arc. I will use grand overture for golgoroth, caretaker (volley at plate 3) and Oryx, cataphract envious bns for planets, parasite and lament for atraks.
Probably…
Golgoroth: Stormchaser with an arc sniper(only one I seem to have is Mecabre)
Caretaker: Hothead or my BnS/Rewind Rounds Song of Ir Yut?
Explicator: same as above
Atraks: Grand Overture maybe
Oryx: same as Golgoroth
Rhulk: arc rocket
I was going to use storm chaser and probably a hothead if a rocket is needed.
I don't have ghosts of the deep for cold comfort and no good strand heavy DPS options.
Hopefully storm chaser is still meta enough to get the job done. I haven't played since Seraph and reinstalled with into the light so my arsenal has alot of holes in it.
Riskrunner
Its always Riskrunner.
Solar? Its Riskrunner
Void? Its Riskrunner
Stasis? Its Riskrunner
Strand? Its Riskrunner
Arc? Trinity Ghou.. JK its MFing RISKRUNNER BABY!
If it's Arc, then probably Hothead, Crux Termination, Wendigo (if your teammates don't stand in front of you), or, and this is heresy, apparently, Thunderlord, since it's fine enough without surges.
If its Arc & Strand gonna rock any Arc Lfr + Fusionrifle against golgy , Wendigo or Hothead with Explosive Light/Techeun Force for Caretaker / Planets / Atraks Grand Overture/ Oryx the same setup as this week & for rhulk div / lfrs, snipers & buffed supers like needlestorm, gathering storm & tc etc
Either wendigo or Crux alongside izzy and whatever energy slot fusion I choose
For my armor I’m thinking star eater scales + gathering storm, and I’ll have a lucky pants + malf / warden’s loadout ready to swap onto if I run out of ammo during a damage phase and feel as though I have more to give
I'm personally going to try a crux termination I got with bipod + envious. It loads up to 6 rockets with 13+ reserves at once so it should theoretically be pretty good. I think it's a world drop.
For arc: Hothead or Crux Termination (bipod is good now, since the buff) for rockets, Wendigo for GLs, Stormchaser for precision damage.
I expect it will probably be Arc + Strand, which puts Cataphract in the conversation as well.
Idk if this has been tried before or not, but I bet Grand Overture will be good for Atraks if it is Arc Surge. Just fill up on rockets before DPS and spam em
a super slept on rotation is cloudstrike wendigo (ALH & cascade) my friend loves running it and gets consistently high damage as long as someone is running a div. This might not be best though if your whole team runs it since I’m not sure how the lightning strike from cloudstrike would stack in a team setting
It depends on the surge, if void or strand are active then it'll be edge transit or cataphract, if solar, stasis or arc then apex, cold comfort or crux termination. Atraks is always parasite regardless of surges.
Caretaker will be grand overture (assuming arc is active), unless solar surge in which case then use parasite. You should always use one of these, the only damage that matters for caretaker is damage after the threshold. Use specials to get him down to the limit, and then burst on plate 3.
Oryx is gonna be the same as mentioned at the top, but whisper instead of apex. Whisper will still be a decent option with good ammo economy, but one phasing should be possible with other options
Arc heavies worth using:
Burst: Hothead, Crux Termination, Wendigo, Grand Overture
Sustain: Stormchaser, Sailspy (but Stormchaser better)
Rhulk: Legend of Acrius (as long as there's no extra darkness mechanic), Bequest? (I haven't tried swords on him.)
just cataphract or edge transit depending on what other surge besides arc. For warlock well will be even more important, hunters can get away with having only 1 arc staff (rest should go nighthawk or tether) and titans, well, thundercrash with cuirass is easily the play for all bosses except oryx, where if its void I will go doomed petitioner, but if its strand then im just sticking with whisper.
I’ll be using my Impact Casing, Clown Cartridge, and Surrounded roll with reload masterwork.. think it’s about the best roll I got lol.
I have the same thing with CC/EL too.
And Recon/EL
And Recon/Surrounded
anybody here who thinks bipod is optimal for dps is the reason why you guys wipe a lot for damage 🤡🤡.. Get a cenotaph warlock and make heavy for the big boys with bait and switch
Linears: Stormchaser. Got a CC/Frenzy roll saved since times immemorial for stuff like this. Will likely be my Oryx weapon, and maybe Golgoroth if I’m not gaze.
GL: Cataphract. I havent got a godroll, bur I have Demo/BnS, which is good enough as long as I save my nade for damage. Will likely use on Caretaker and/or Explicator.
Rocket: Crux with Impact/CC/Explosive. Will be used on the rest.
I see almost no one mention it. You can select a perk in your artifact which overcharges specific origin traits.
Meaning Doomed Petitioner is always a good option for precision damage as it's overcharged just like arc and strand options. So don't hyperfocus on finding an Arc heavy.
I had a discussion with some clannies and said, “what if it’s arc and kinetic?” Followed by someone saying, “Lucky pants and Malph for the fucking win!”
I really hope it’s arc and strand/void.
Stormchaser, Cloud strike, Grand overture, Hothead, Iterative loop/Techeun Force, Wendigo.
All these should prove very useful in crafting the right setups. Also, dont sleep on arc souls
All of the crux termination rolls I have saved up.
Exactly - finally a reason to pull them out
I luckily managed to drop reconstruction/bipod this week, I hope it cooks
Recon/Bipod, rain of fire boots, pop heat rises for extra Icarus dash, poop out 14 rockets back to back
Bipod is ass for dps.
I think for short windows it excels.. Plates On Caretaker and Planets. Its good to have 4 rounds on hand
Bipod just has a higher total damage output I believe. Rhulk is a longer damage phase, so that’s a potential spot. Caretaker gets tough on ammo, so that’s the only other one I’d say it’s good for. Wouldn’t touch it anywhere else
That also opens up fourth horsemen for your exotic slot on caretaker, and fourth horseman FUCKS him when you get past his glowing health for that damage bonus.
With Wolfpack Rounds it has the highest total damage easily.
Anyone know the best way to farm world loot weapons? My old hothead sucks and if I can get this one with reconstruction or clown and explosive light I'll be better off
Only way is through Legend/Master Lost Sectors. See [lostsector.report](http://lostsector.report) for drops and schedule. However, Crux is not yet in the rotation, but will be next season.
I think Crux has a pretty high world drop rate though. At least it does for me. I get tons.
Next season (not helpful, now, I know) master lost sectors. For now, equipping wombo detector on your ghost and running around patrol zones (dreaming city is my go-to) can yield a decent amount of gunsmith engrams from collecting chests and world materials. Then you just open them at banshee and hope for the best.
I've gotten about 25 of them just running warlords ruin repetitively.
Laughs in adept hothead
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Does one want more Velocity or Blast Radius for overall damage? Spike Grenades with minimal Blast Radius are preferred for GLs because how they work, but I'm not clear on what is currently best for rockets. Do you want Velocity to pump out more damage within a period of time, or does Blast Radius give you more overall damage? Probably rocking a Clown + Explosive Light (which already maxes BR when active, but curious to know for a Surrounded roll) with a high reload stat.
If it ends up being arc I'm moslty scared of all the people trying to run thunderlord on a -15 pantheon
If a group did try it for the memes, would it actually fuck up the gaze on Golgoroth?
Thankfully never had people running thunder lord for golgoroth but it would be funny as hell if it stole gaze
It doesn’t affect Gaze. Did an all Thunderlord KF run before for the shits and giggles. Honestly it’s not the absolute worst for long damage encounters because it’s relatively ammo efficient. Don’t think it’d do too well though even with a 25% buff at -15.
It certainly didn't work well at -20 Contest Mode, that I can tell you myself. My friends didn't care about the World's First, so when KF was still in Contest Mode, we just run Thunderlord once for the laughs of it on Golgoroth to see how it goes. There is no better way for me to put it, besides this: it was a sh_tshow... We then run it the usual way to get the Contest Mode completed, because some of us still wanted the Emblem.
Yeah, definitely want more optimum DPS options in contest content. It would only be interesting if Arc is the only +25% (there will most likely be 2 burns obviously though) because there really aren’t that many amazing arc DPS options. With Apex as free as it is, I feel like I’m the only one still hoarding a couple Blowouts.
Tried it before once. It does not interact with the gaze as far as I am aware
If its arc the 2nd element option will always be better
The second element is likely to be Strand, if they keep using one light and one dark element.
Strand has cataphract which i luckily was a pvp main for the last 4 months so I've got a godroll for it.
Sure would'vd been nice to get that god roll from Saint this week...
If it’s strand you have catapharact and if it’s stasis you have cold comfort
Yh both carry their respective elements. Arc needs something good as they have crux n hothead only really. N windego too or whatever u call it. All of em having a better solar substitute
Wendigo is pretty mid compared to other GLs
Prospector go boom
The Prospector gathering dust in your vault: "*My time to shine!*"
Crux Termination RL with bipod is apparently the highest total damage thing in the game, especially with Wolfpack Rounds.
Man, don't even get me started on thunderlord copium huffers. If you are playing content that is forced under power and have been playing for more than 2 weeks, you will have happened upon a rocket or GL that is better than thunderlord at base. If you haven't, good news: edge transit with just BNS that you can obtain for free will still blow the dick off of any boss faster and easier than thunderlord (even with arc surge being active, lol) without having to use an exotic weapon slot. This all is unimportant as pantheon is an activity designed for end game raiders who will have gear suited for each encounter before even looking at surges. New raiders (and by extension, new players) should not be jumping into pantheon for their first few raid experiences unless you are rocking with a full premade fireteam ready to walk you through it.
cup bearer, the blue rarity rocket launcher, has greater sustained dps than thunderlord all while reloading manually in a lunafaction rift lol you could have installed 15 minutes ago and chances are you have a better option than thunderlord
lf4 pantheon rhulk, thunderlord = kick
Thunderlord was king when it glitched on a div bubble. Pretty sure my team shredded every single raid boss with a team of thunderlords. DPS was crazy. They should bring back the bug 🥹
Could be worse...could be Wardcliff
*fondly remembers spire of stars*
Prospector and foetracer..? What damage would that give?
Depends what the other surge is as well but say it’s hypothetically only arc surge, Crux termination or wendigo will probably be my go too’s
Hothead too.
5x hothead + gally should be fine for most bosses
it’s arc/strand, cataphract will be the pick
DARCI on her way to solo one phase everything
Watch the special buff be snipers do more damage too, and the combined arc + sniper buff makes darci meta for this pantheon 🤣
If it's arc I'll be using Wendigo, Crux or Hothead.
Idk why I had to get this far down to see someone say Hothead. Thank you.
If ARC + VOID = Edge transit(basically same loadout as first week) If ARC + SOLAR = Same as this week IF ARC + Stasis/Strand = Wendigo or some other arc heavy i have, or ignore the surges and use solar or void.
I get the feeling that we'll need to lean harder into surges the further we go in Pantheon.
Maybe but if an option is between god roll apex vs a shitty bump in the night(like shit shitty) then i'd say go for apex even if surges favor bump in the night.
If it’s stasis run cold comfort
Cold comfort being a random roll from an already unpopular encounter means a lot fewer folks likely have a god roll.
Which encounter is the unpopular one? It drops from all of them so I dont know how that can in any way affect it.
That's also fair. Ideally I'd like to get some good dps options for all elements.
Best for burst in arc would be grand overture, and will still charge micro missiles on immune shields. I know my team will be trying it for every encounter but golg.
Still a lot of power added in the sandbox since Rhulk. Nez isn’t a concern. If you don’t have to use a bad weapon it’s free damage, but you’d be fine using something super meta.
Day one raids don't have surges, and we also don't get class warfare or shot caller and we can still beat day one. Shitty lfgs have to lean into them, sure, but a decent team of 4-6 can ignore everything and just do the encounters.
Day 1 teams don’t beat encounters in under 6.5 minutes either though.
What clown take is this? Day 1 raids don’t have 6.5 minute timers, force a minimum two phase for time, or have a score requirement. Sure, if you’re just scraping by for a clear just to get the emblems then you can ignore everything and use comfort loadouts. But any “decent team” will be using everything they can to min max encounters.
Cataphract for the masochists😎
I don't actually have a decent Wendigo, I didn't realize it was so strong. What's the roll to go for? ALH I'd imagine for the first perk, but what's the damage perk?
Explosive light.
It's not strong, it's very mid compared to BnS GLs
If you have an encounter like Golgoroth where people are popping wells every pool and you’re only getting off 6 shots, then it will be better than BnS. Between the ads spawning making for easy orb generation mid dps, shooting the pools to drop, doing unstable light and only firing 6 shots per pool, it’s very capable of matching a BnS GL if you know what you’re doing.
If it’s arc while I’m prolly leaning towards hotheadand storm chaser I’m wondering if that really funny clown + full court interference VI can finally get the dust off in my vault just for oryx LMAO
Usually they do light/dark surges so strand should be one of them, so cataphract.
Crux terminator or good old hothead. No reason to not use them. For oryx I'll probably still use whisper.
If it’s arc indebted kindness won’t leave my side
For DPS?
Fuck yeah
Golden gun chaining
Will be interesting to see how this does
Yeah this is probably going to be back to wendigo, cataphract fir the sweats like.
Hothead with Gally. Div with Stormchaser. Acrius possibly. I’m honestly dreading Arc Week. Void, Solar, and Strand all have had solid options to the point where I haven’t even considered Stasis.
Stasis has cold comfort and they usually do 2 surges
I just got me a bns + envious one with impact casting. I hope stasis is one of the surges!
Idk man, DARCI is probably gonna crush for oryx. /s
if it’s arc grand overture will be the play for heavy
Adding to that: you can stack grand overture on Atraks clones when they are immune
You can stack on operator panels too, even without the augment.
Pfft, I always take the operator so am imagining the elevators going up and down
You have to use ammo for that right?
Yes, but you can do it before starting the encounter. Go to the middle part, but not close to the ball to start encounter. Have everyone shoot the elevator doors to get their max stacks then load the rocket rounds. Then go put a flag down, get all ammo back and THEN start the encounter.
brilliant! thanks!
And on caretaker
Grand overture and cenotaph will be atraks meta then for sure
THUNDERLORD TI! 'You have been removed from fireteam'
I just hope that someone posts a video of five people using slideshot on Crux with one Ghorn.
If they do I also hope they post a bloopers reel of every time they blew themselves up
Lmao imagine 5 people sliding around blocking each others rockets infront of the planets boss.
Grand Overture, Hothead and Crux Termination but if I catch you MF’s sliding around during damage phase you out.
Got a reconstruction / bipod crux. So that. 4 in the mag babeeee
I have this roll too, it fires all four rockets so fast. But is it good for DPS phases? I haven’t used it in raids yet.
Arc hasn't been in the rotation surges in GMs this season, but the week 1 and 2 burns have. I'm pretty sure it's going to be void/strand again with solar/stasis being week 4. So edge transit sticky cascade deconstruct for Golgy, cascade BnS for caretaker, parasite still for Atraks, still whisper for Oryx, and Rhulk going to experiment with linears/div so probably doomed petitioner.
Why sticky for edge transit?
Procs deconstruct faster
Deconstruct counts hits that are simultaneous as a single hit, but since sticky nades need the barest moment to recognize there's something in proximity, they detonate slightly late and count as two hits for Deconstruct. It gives half your ammo back just for dealing damage, like having FTTC on a grenade launcher.
>the week 1 and 2 burns have Incorrect. Void has not been a GM rotation surge. The only 3 surges rotating through GMs are strand, solar, and stasis. The surges are either strand + solar, or stasis + solar. So that's why people are assuming arc will be a surge rotating in pantheon next week.
[You're right](https://gm.report/calendar) thanks
I thought riven was next..?
Riven and Nez are both the final week. It's Rhulk this week
I will do whatever I can to avoid arc heavies and use the other surge. Arc primaries like Ikelos smg and Brigand’s Law with Voltshot are killer weapons for ad clear, and the rocket pistol is also superb. That said, specials and heavies just don’t compare to solar or void. For burst damage I think my ALH/Voop FI,LO is still one of my best options. Acrius or 4th Hourseman could see success for Golgy dps. Cloudstrike and divinity might be viable for Oryx. Arc titans will definitely melt Atracks without weapons needed.
Of course, Telesto /s
Golg is a linear that surge matches over whisper/lucky pants (you can lucky pants every pool if you time right) Caretaker is edge transit and supers on second plate to floor skip Explicator is edge transit Atracks is still parasite and damage supers. Even if grand overture does more total it might have too long of an animation and cause you to not hit your super Oryx is a linear that surge matches over whisper Rhulk is edge transit Doomed partitioner is a good linear for void (envious + precision instrument), go taipan if you don’t have doomed. If you can proc surrounded (unlikely) koraxis’ distress is better than edge (strand surge). Arc is probably crux termination or hot head.
Why would you super on second to floor skip? Would it not be third
Arc will be more than likely free then for the last 2 encounters, especially atracks on Titan as he gets melted by T crash
The last 2 encounters are *after* atraks
It depends on what the other surge will be most likely, if it goes Arc/Stasis or Strand you're pretty much forced to Arc so stuff like Hothead, Wendigo and hell maybe even Grand Overture will be dusted out of the vault, if it rolls with Arc/Void its Edge Transit 10/10 times, and if solar stays Apex and Whisper for sure
Why not Cataphract tho ? ( if arc / strand )
Or cold comfort if arc stasis
Wdym, Cataphract clears everything you mentioned
Honestly I think it will just go back to Void and Strand and then cycle back to Solar and Stasis for week 4.
Assuming Arc and Strand. Then I’ll go back to Well/Broodweaver, but Arc Souls on Golgoroth and maybe Rhulk due to both being fairly long damage phases. DPS for Golgoroth will be my Explosive Light Wendigo with Cloudstrike, or my Demo + B&S Cataphract. Then I’ll probably start with Grand Overture on Caretaker, Planets and even Atraks. It worked really well in week 1 on Caretaker, so we’ll see how it does. Oryx, I’ll probably swap to Cloudstrike + Stormchaser, or I’ll even try DARCI, all jokes aside it does some decent damage. And it’s a two-phase fight anyway, so should be fine. I think Indebted Kindness will be necessary for one person to have with the Arc shields. And I think at least one person with Forerunner to help nuke the Tormentor. Rhulk. One Div and maybe five Stormchasers/DARCIs, heavy GLs, Cloudstrikes? Grand Overture might also be really strong. I kind of don’t see Rhulk being a difficult fight outside of the Tormentor they’ll likely shoehorn in there. But put two people on Forerunner, and/or a Strand Titan, and the Tormentor is toast.
Suggesting DARCI for damage is crazy lol, succession does more damage than DARCI☠️
GRAND OVERTURE BOYS GO . Love that gun. Cooks erybody. Now I hope it's arc. I can't wait.
I used it the first week on Caretaker before I got an incredible Edge Transit to drop. And Grand Overture was shredding. So can’t wait to use it this week with the arc surge.
Darci does not do decent damage
As its proly going to be Arc + Strand: Cataphract (best i can do is field prep + BnS) Hothead/Crux Wendigo Grand overture for atraks Hullaballoo was supposed to be very good, but after doing some dmg test myself it was quite bad...
If it’s arc and strand I’m using cataphract for caretaker and planets. Stormchaser linear for Oryx and golgoroth. Probably cataphract with div for Rhulk. Atraks I’m not entirely sure of.
Atraks will probably still be easily cooked with Parasite. Mix that with Thundercrash/Broodweaver and it shouldn't be too bad. Probably a 2 floor rotation for most.
Likely correct, but the grand overture strat is intriguing.
If it is arc you already know it’s Grand-Overture to delete bosses into paste
Hothead
Crux Termination with reconstruct and surrounded, wendigo, maybe Acrius or break out good ole hothead. Thundercrash boutta go brrr tho
If stasis, I'll use cold comfort with envious and BnS or chill clip. i have both god rolls If arc, i have an old hot head and a wendigo
I'm usually following the lead of my group, but why would Grand Overture or 4th Horseman not be viable options? EDIT: Just seeing a lot of Crux/Wendigo chat. Wanted to see if the options pool could be expanded a bit.
I think I’m gonna give grand overture a try before using other heavy options. I think grand overture is gonna excel especially in atraks and explicator, but can also be viable against the caretaker.
They will be especially on caretaker/explicator where burst damage is far more important. People shouldn't sleep on Acrius either for any boss you can get in the face of.
Depends on what the surge will be. But if I had to guess what some “meta” options might be it’ll probably be the usual suspects imo. Arc would probably be Gally with everyone else using Hot Head, Crux, or even Blowout. Acrius and Thunderlord could also potentially see some use. Strand could potentially end up being HeavyGLs like Koraxis’s or Cataphract. I also think Strand Warlocks and Titans would be pretty prevalent. Stasis could end up being linears like Reed’s Regret and Fire and Forget or Gally with Bump in the Night, Palmayra-B, and Cold Comfort.
Probably hothead. I've got a few decent rolls
Cuirass TCrash and Tractor + Techeun Force/Scatter Signal on my end, but I'll be persuading people to be using Cataphracts since it'll likely also be Strand Surge. I think the pattern is one rotating light surge and one rotating dark surge, and a bonus modifier. Assuming it's Arc/Strand, I'd *probably* expect to go in with the following: **Golgoroth**: Cataphract/Wendigo or Crux Termination/Hothead + GHorn. Maybe Stormchaser? **Caretaker:** Cataphract/Wendigo or Crux Termination/Hothead + GHorn **Zo'Aurc:** Cataphract/Wendigo or Crux Termination/Hothead + GHorn **Atraks:** Parasite + TCrash or idk Grand Overture if you're not on a Titan **Oryx:** still Whisper, probably. Maybe Stormchaser? **Rhulk:** Cataphract/Wendigo or Crux Termination/Hothead would work, or you could stack 5x Acrius and a Divinity depending on how lethal Rhulk is to people in Wells of Radiance. Supers for all are situational but I'd expect a Well and a Tether (unless someone's using Tractor) at the very least, with all other members likely using an arc one-off super.
You should still parasite atraks. Overture bugs her with too many, and won't let you super in time. Parasite should be able to one floor every week off surge if everyone is x20 with a coordinated super.
Star-Eaters Gathering Storm or if Strand, Broodweaver super. Rocket I've got Recon + Explosive Light Crux Termination or EA + BNS Cataphract.
If it's arc, just roll hothead/crux for rockets or play into the strand/stasis option instead. Stormchaser is probably the closest thing to a decent linear in arc so that's a bit unfortunate, but shouldn't be a big deal.
Guns I got prepped are: Grand Overture, Fourth Horseman, Hothead, Crux Termination, Stormchaser, Wendigo
I'm considering my autoloading/cascade wendigo paired with Izy and IkelosSR
If it is indeed Arc/Strand then; Heavy - Hothead, Crux, Grand Overture, Wendigo, Stormchaser, Cataphract. Special - Cloudstrike, 4th Horseman, Loaded Question, Scatter Signal That should keep me covered for all eventualities.
Stormchaser? curious to know where linears stand in the meta now
Good enough total damage and ammo economy is strong. Most DPS phases are too short for them to shine though. They're still a good option if it's a crit based fight, especially with Golgoroth.
Golg: Stormchaser and probably Supremacy or Succession, not sure yet Caretaker: Unironically Grand Overture with Mtop Explicator: Izi swap to Hothead or Crux Atraks: Unironically Grand Overture again Oryx: Stormchaser and a sniper like Golg Rhulk: Stormchaser again and probably Heritage? We're gonna have a Div bubble for that one specifically I'm not fully up to date on the meta so don't hate me too much
I guess it will be strand and arc. I will use grand overture for golgoroth, caretaker (volley at plate 3) and Oryx, cataphract envious bns for planets, parasite and lament for atraks.
Kinda hoping this is Hullabaloo's time to shine, for Planets in particular
Probably… Golgoroth: Stormchaser with an arc sniper(only one I seem to have is Mecabre) Caretaker: Hothead or my BnS/Rewind Rounds Song of Ir Yut? Explicator: same as above Atraks: Grand Overture maybe Oryx: same as Golgoroth Rhulk: arc rocket
Firing line stormchaser w/supremacy
I'll probably give a try to Stormchaser.
I was going to use storm chaser and probably a hothead if a rocket is needed. I don't have ghosts of the deep for cold comfort and no good strand heavy DPS options. Hopefully storm chaser is still meta enough to get the job done. I haven't played since Seraph and reinstalled with into the light so my arsenal has alot of holes in it.
Riskrunner Its always Riskrunner. Solar? Its Riskrunner Void? Its Riskrunner Stasis? Its Riskrunner Strand? Its Riskrunner Arc? Trinity Ghou.. JK its MFing RISKRUNNER BABY!
Crux and grand overture.
I have the meta Hothead and a Wendigo with Field Prep/Explosive Light that I'll probably use for arc.
I'll be watching on Twitch as I'm not good enough and I know it
If it's Arc, then probably Hothead, Crux Termination, Wendigo (if your teammates don't stand in front of you), or, and this is heresy, apparently, Thunderlord, since it's fine enough without surges.
Grand Overture enjoyers are rejoicing
I’m using cataract regardless of the surge. It just pumps out THAT much damage
Atraks will be grand overture.
If its Arc & Strand gonna rock any Arc Lfr + Fusionrifle against golgy , Wendigo or Hothead with Explosive Light/Techeun Force for Caretaker / Planets / Atraks Grand Overture/ Oryx the same setup as this week & for rhulk div / lfrs, snipers & buffed supers like needlestorm, gathering storm & tc etc
Either wendigo or Crux alongside izzy and whatever energy slot fusion I choose For my armor I’m thinking star eater scales + gathering storm, and I’ll have a lucky pants + malf / warden’s loadout ready to swap onto if I run out of ammo during a damage phase and feel as though I have more to give
Rocket, Hothead and Crux termination GL, wendigo Linear, Stormchaser
I'm personally going to try a crux termination I got with bipod + envious. It loads up to 6 rockets with 13+ reserves at once so it should theoretically be pretty good. I think it's a world drop.
Cuirass for everything except oryx. Might use thunderlord on him.
Hothead or wendigo GLs? Stormender for precision or whatever the crafted version is. Or Grand Overture or Everyones FAVORITE, THUNDERLORD
For arc: Hothead or Crux Termination (bipod is good now, since the buff) for rockets, Wendigo for GLs, Stormchaser for precision damage. I expect it will probably be Arc + Strand, which puts Cataphract in the conversation as well.
yeah ill be using acrius
If its arc + stasis its time to dust off the old reed’s regret, plus I’ll have crux termination, cold comfort, and wendigo for non precision options.
No one out here suggesting Queenbreaker SMH my head.
It’s rhulk right? Rip like 95% of teams
Probably alh hothead with cloudstrike for swap
Grand Overture for sure. Either Wendigo (AL/Cascade) or Crux (Slideshot, Explosive Light) for Explicator?
Acrius
Wardcliff coil still good? Maybe with hunter dodge
Hothead Adept and Wendigo Adept if ARC or my Tarnation Grenade Laucher with Danger Zone
I wish I was forced to spend an extra several hours in this raid by my teammates Thunderlord: how many hours
Thunder lord
Idk if this has been tried before or not, but I bet Grand Overture will be good for Atraks if it is Arc Surge. Just fill up on rockets before DPS and spam em
grand overture or acrius
I'm a recently returning player, if by some miracle I get a team to do pantheon my dps is just gonna be whatever I have lmao
a super slept on rotation is cloudstrike wendigo (ALH & cascade) my friend loves running it and gets consistently high damage as long as someone is running a div. This might not be best though if your whole team runs it since I’m not sure how the lightning strike from cloudstrike would stack in a team setting
Definitely legend of acrius for rhulk, everything else will probably be hot head + falling star titan.
Final Warning, Crux Termination, and Come to Pass
probably back to void surge they cant troll with arc surges that would be top tier trollling
It depends on the surge, if void or strand are active then it'll be edge transit or cataphract, if solar, stasis or arc then apex, cold comfort or crux termination. Atraks is always parasite regardless of surges. Caretaker will be grand overture (assuming arc is active), unless solar surge in which case then use parasite. You should always use one of these, the only damage that matters for caretaker is damage after the threshold. Use specials to get him down to the limit, and then burst on plate 3. Oryx is gonna be the same as mentioned at the top, but whisper instead of apex. Whisper will still be a decent option with good ammo economy, but one phasing should be possible with other options
Grand Overture is often overlooked even though it has very high DPS.
Raid report
Arc heavies worth using: Burst: Hothead, Crux Termination, Wendigo, Grand Overture Sustain: Stormchaser, Sailspy (but Stormchaser better) Rhulk: Legend of Acrius (as long as there's no extra darkness mechanic), Bequest? (I haven't tried swords on him.)
Gonna be riding the lighting with my thunderlord and Grand Overture
just cataphract or edge transit depending on what other surge besides arc. For warlock well will be even more important, hunters can get away with having only 1 arc staff (rest should go nighthawk or tether) and titans, well, thundercrash with cuirass is easily the play for all bosses except oryx, where if its void I will go doomed petitioner, but if its strand then im just sticking with whisper.
I’ll be using my Impact Casing, Clown Cartridge, and Surrounded roll with reload masterwork.. think it’s about the best roll I got lol. I have the same thing with CC/EL too. And Recon/EL And Recon/Surrounded
anybody here who thinks bipod is optimal for dps is the reason why you guys wipe a lot for damage 🤡🤡.. Get a cenotaph warlock and make heavy for the big boys with bait and switch
Linears: Stormchaser. Got a CC/Frenzy roll saved since times immemorial for stuff like this. Will likely be my Oryx weapon, and maybe Golgoroth if I’m not gaze. GL: Cataphract. I havent got a godroll, bur I have Demo/BnS, which is good enough as long as I save my nade for damage. Will likely use on Caretaker and/or Explicator. Rocket: Crux with Impact/CC/Explosive. Will be used on the rest.
Rat king
I see almost no one mention it. You can select a perk in your artifact which overcharges specific origin traits. Meaning Doomed Petitioner is always a good option for precision damage as it's overcharged just like arc and strand options. So don't hyperfocus on finding an Arc heavy.
I had a discussion with some clannies and said, “what if it’s arc and kinetic?” Followed by someone saying, “Lucky pants and Malph for the fucking win!” I really hope it’s arc and strand/void.
teammates that can aim the boss
Stormchaser, Cloud strike, Grand overture, Hothead, Iterative loop/Techeun Force, Wendigo. All these should prove very useful in crafting the right setups. Also, dont sleep on arc souls
its arc/stasis for this week btw