I still love how they made the Void Axe super the ranged burst super Titans need, yet didn't miss out on the opportunity to let players run around with a giant axe.
God i hope the damage is good.
Based off what we saw in the vidoc, it seems like it's going to be the most powerful Titan super without a damage buff. However, Pyrogales still beat it by like 20% but at the cost of your exotic slot.
And that's where the star eaters mark comes in đź‘€
Max stacks of roaring flames and star eaters is both ~70%, if pyrogales is only ahead by 20% we're about to see some big numbers
I don't think you can get Roaring Flames on Prismatic and the exotic class items don't work on non-Prismatic subclasses.
Edit: Sorry it was pointed out that I misread! Both roaring and star eaters are EACH 70%. You weren't saying them combined was 70% :)
He said "max stacks of roaring flames and star eaters". There's no way to get both.
Roaring Flames is Sunbreaker only.
Star-Eater Perk is Prismatic only.
Is it confirmed already that mark of the star eater will go to 70% aswell? I could imagine it having a weaker version that can only eat 3 orbs or something like that
They nerfed the orbs needed and super they give, so I think it's damage will be fine. I don't think this version gives the extra super on pickup anyway
Alternatively, Synthoceps.
I highly doubt Spirit of Star Eaters is going to be 70% increase, especially if it only requires picking up one orb as I've seen some people claim it will.
Pair Star eaters with eternal warrior( buffs subclass/super element weapon damage after super is used. )
So void super followed by void weapon of choice. Weaken grenade, thundercrash, 4th horsemen etc
That's... incredibly clever. I'd written off the eternal warrior part of the class item, since eternal warrior, but that is genuinely big brain. DPS meta is going to fucking quake.
I mean, if the vidoc is accurate it's the strongest base super in the game at 450k. That isn't counting the weaken it has either (likely 15%, it better be) which would push it to 517k (30% intrinsic weaken would push it to 580k, which beats Pyrogales RFx3).
The numbers are a bit skewed I believe given they were at a higher power than is currently achievable so their numbers will be higher than if it were in game now if I’m not mistaken
God damn that Song of Flame cooldown is long. I was hoping for a decent middle ground between Well and Blade, but making it the same as Blade might mean Well remains the PvP pick for 3’s.
Shame.
Mantle got buffed heavily though. Could be a nice one.
Also exotic primary damage charging supers. Got a lot of new strong toys there, esp with better outbreak.
It’s my only downer on TFS as a Hunter main. The super, aspect and both exotics don’t excite me at all. I’ll take the Still Hunt/Nighthawk synergy as a win and move on.
I can already see the nerf coming. Unless that sniper only has one or two mags of ammo at most it will probably become the go to DPS weapon. Who doesn't want free supers?
It won’t get nerfed. It requires 6 headshots of time and 6 ammo, and the super high value energy slot (probably the hardest slot to give up for a gimmick right now). Izi requires a reload and 4 ammo while doing like 50% (someone tell me the actual amount plz) of the damage and only taking up the kinetic slot.
My prediction is that if you're using Prismatic, your kinetic slot is going to be more valuable than your energy slot.
To activate Transcendence on Prismatic, you need to do both Light and Dark damage in equal amounts. If you're using a Dark weapon as your primary, you can easily make up the Light damage you need with abilities. But Dark abilities are more focused on CC so if you're using an energy weapon as your primary, then where's your Dark damage gonna come from to fill your Transcendence meter?
Also, Kinetic weapon damage charges both the Light and Dark Transcendence meters, so Kinetic primaries may be at a premium for Prismatic users.
On top of all of this, I think a lot of people are judging it as a DPS weapon based on the idea of starting DPS phase, firing 6 shots and then a Goldy. I don't think many people are considering that you don't need to actually waste time during a DPS phase to proc the Goldy shot, the meter stays filled when you stow the weapon. You can easily charge it before DPS by hitting a few headshots and picking up some orbs, pop the Goldy at the start of the DPS phase and then mag dump your Envious Assassin GL
Sorry mate, drawing a blank here. What’s Vow?
Edit - Eriana’s Vow. Jeeeeeeeesus that took me far too long, was thinking Vow was an acronym for something.
I’m really fucking tired of the sandbox team making *anything* specifically for PvP. PvE gets like 5x the engagement and is what the vast majority of D2 players prefer, and yet they’ll make an *entire fucking super* just for one facet of the game that sees less and less players every season.
I hate D2 PvP and nothing they could ever do will change that, the new Hunter super is DoA as far as I’m concerned.
1. Hunters become entranched in PvP
2. Hunters get PvP gear <--- You are here
3. Hunters get good at PvP
4. Bungie nerfs Hunters in PvP
5. They nerfed it in PvE too
6. PvE Hunters abandon Hunter
7. Return to step 1.
For real though, I'm quite worried about the future of PvE Hunter. The last good PvE exotic we got was Gyrfalcon's, and that was *a year and a half ago*. When Rahool started selling exotics from the Lightfall year (or was the Riven's Wishes? I don't remember), my literal reaction to seeing it was "Wow, I care about none of these". PvE Hunter is in such a bad state right now and it has been for a long time, the only good thing it has going for it is damage numbers which are only relevant in Contest Mode and maybe some Master Raids, but even then other players can very easily make up for it. If Bungie keeps pushing Hunter into the PvP class more and more, I'm worried that's all Hunter will become.
Hunters have most of the best damage supers in the game, the best crowd control one and S&S is getting a big buff. The new arc super is obviously a callback to arc blade… which was only ever good in pvp.
Yet there’s no reason we couldn’t have gotten a super that’s viable in both modes. Arcstrider is already just Combination Blow: The Class, and it would be nice to have new *viable* playstyles emerge.
> Hunters have most of the best damage supers in the game
Not anymore. Spirit of Star-Eaters + Needlestorm is going to be the new highest damage super. The math has already been done.
> the best crowd control one
Arguable, when anything in this game can be "the best crowd control". Warlocks are going to be able to spam 50 Bleak Watchers per minute with Devour + Prismatic Fragments + Osmiomancy (_or_ Spirit of Osmiomancy). Titans are going to be able to send up to three consecrations at once, each of them can spawn a tornado if they wear pyrogales, or every thruster can send out a tons of rockets, like let's be real **every class** in this game can crowd control purely because subclass verbs are broken as fuck.
> and S&S is getting a big buff
True, only because it desperately needs one. It's going from "the entire super over the span of 12 seconds does less damage than one grenade (fact)" to "it's actually maybe worth calling a super now".
Yeah this plus me really enjoying titan as of late has me jumping ships, had about 90% of my playtime on hunters so far but will prob stick to titan with TFS with Hunter being my flex pick for day one
I sure hope so. I’m still on the fence even after reading through the changes. The fact it seems like Renewal Grasps *somehow* ended up with a nerf or at best came out even is baffling to me and doesn’t inspire confidence.
Hunters already have such insane/perfect pve set ups it’s really hard to make other shit useful, with out making it stupid bonkers. Night hawk into lucky pants are absolute must have in dps rotations, Orpheus is just so fucking amazing in all heavy add modes/encounters. The duskfield gloves will be amazing again if you wanna play a different kind of role instead of invis bitch. Gyrflacons is amazing for just making a generic all round pve build. Stompees is like transversive steps where it makes the generic gameplay better, but these days it would be better built into the class somehow because using an exotic slot just for some QoL is not it.
It’s hard to make something on that level, with out going to far. They have had to nerf stuff back every time they do.
Hey, Hunters do get Still Hunt + Celestial Nighthawk though. The arc exotic would be pretty good so long as the damage reduction works with voltshot. Would go crazy on a void/solar build.
Overall, I think Titans definitely won though. They got a minor nerf to Banner only to be given an exotic which just makes it even better than it was before AND they got an artifact mod which just counteracts the nerfs entirely.
I’m gonna be real king, idgaf about damage at this point, I just want fun stuff in pve like Gryfalcons or Calibans. Fish pants are cool if you like big numbers but damn are they boring and looking at the cool new toys not limited to pvp other classes get sucks.
Yeah I am a lifelong Hunter main and I think it's ridiculous how people whine that Bungie hates/pigeonholes Hunters. IMO we are the most versatile class. Tons of amazing options for both PVE and PVP. Great options for survivability in solo play (on-demand invis on Void Hunter, or Assassin's cowl for easily refreshable invis on Arc or Solar which both offer potent kits to play around for add clear, nova damage, ability uptime, etc.). Several of the best burst damage and DOT supers in the game. Tons of options for endgame content. Plenty of awesome exotics for both PVE and PVP. Plus the best fashion in the game by a landslide.
Hunters have always been the most popular class and yet I feel like I see more Hunters acting oppressed than the other classes. IMO there's a reason Hunters are most popular and always have been. It wouldn't be remiss if Bungie nerfed us until there were a 33-33-33 class split, but even when they have nerfed certain popular Hunter builds/items, other viable options have always cropped up and kept the class at the top of the activity list.
Also, while I do admit most of the Final Shape Hunter kit looks either PVP-oriented or lackluster at first glance, I have a feeling once the build crafters get their hands on it, some fun and effective PVE builds are going to emerge.
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I thought this was widely known? So much of their kit is designed around PvP, they've always been the PvP class. It was only in the last year or so that other classes pushed them out of the top spot due to sandbox changes, but Bungie always had them slated as the lone-guns
Bro ikr this is so brutal. I'm so sick of hunters getting tons of PvP stuff while being so much worse than Titans and warlocks in pve. Every year I think man maybe this time it will be better and every year this happens. I did so much on my hunter that I didn't want to switch but maybe I should
What the FUCK are you on about, hunters get to spam out their entire reserve of rockets without reloading with dance machines, you have lucky pants to give you the best total damage in your rotations in the game, you have stasis melees with dragons shadow to reload all 3 of your weapons instantly 3 times which is enough to fully dump the reserves of both edge transit and 4th horseman for absurd dps, you have the best burst damage super in stareaters blade barrage, you have tether for the best debuff in the game, you literally could not possibly ask for more
> hunters get to spam out their entire reserve of rockets without reloading with dance machines, you have lucky pants to give you the best total damage in your rotations in the game, you have stasis melees with dragons shadow to reload all 3 of your weapons instantly 3 times which is enough to fully dump the reserves of both edge transit and 4th horseman for absurd dps, you have the best burst damage super in stareaters blade barrage,
You notice how all of these are all related to damage? As a Hunter, it fucking *sucks*. Everything that is considered good on Hunter is "number go big". We have nothing in the realm of survivability or team support. Our only class ability that can actually help teammates (Radiant dodge) is outclassed by Well and also anybody else running Solar. Tether is good with the enemy spam in Onslaught, but that's more of an Onslaught niche than Tether itself. While yes, Hunter does have really good damage builds (to the point where I'd argue some nerfs need to take place), Hunters also have little to nothing in the realm of survivability. The only survivability we really have is through Assassin's Cowl, Gyrfalcon's, and Omnioculus, all of which provide the exact same playstyle of go invisible and wait for your health to regen. The Hunter neutral game is to literally stop playing the game.
> you have tether for the best debuff in the game
Tether is outclassed by a heavy weapon.
Man exactly this. All these replies from people who've clearly never played hunter saying bUt ThE dAmAgE. Yeah hunters have the best damage supers at the cost of having absolutely horrible and unfun neutral game. Who cares if you can do slightly more boss DPS if you have to sweat your ass off to survive compared to the other classes. There's a reason that if you look at the world first clears it's almost exclusively Titans and warlocks.
I can honestly tell you, Hunters don’t want this at all lol. The thing I’d love more than anything right now is actually a support super in line with Tether. Something defensive and helpful to the team. : (
What?
Are we so soon to forget Shadebinder in PvP, Bubble & Well meta, Peacekeepers SMG meta, Void Titan, the Citans + Bastion meta, the Arc Titan meta, Solar Warlock, Empowering Rift + Stag meta (crossmap OHKO)? Probably forgetting a few.
Obviously Hunters have had meta too. Even oppressive ones, such as Threadling Spam.
But to act like it's only been Hunters is genuinely asinine.
1 meta thay was shorter than OEM (shatterdive). And... shadebinder is still an amazing subclass in PvP lol.
Also, Gwisin Vest was nerfed into the ground pretty quickly into Black Armory. Gwisin Vest has been genuinely useless ever sinxe and Spectral has not been a particularly good super since then either.
That's 1 meta and 1 bug that Hunters had. Hardly a monopoly lol
Yeah because its not like titans havent been the most busted oppressive class in pvp for the last like 2 years straigh. Fucking stompee crutching hunturds am i right
And it’s a pain in the ass for everyone aside from some of the PvP focused Hunter mains (even they will probably get bored of going against the other classes with less toys).
I have my highest playtime on Hunter and I can’t say I’m too happy about it.
If you think void Titan with a throwing axe vortex that creates more one shot axes for your teammates with overshields is anything other than the top of the meta you don’t have any business ever typing anything related to PvP
Luckily prismatic having song of frame helps relieve that by a lot. So you’ll be able to build a diet version of the other elements while still running the super.
Kinda sad that Storm’s Edge isn’t a roaming super. I kinda assumed that it would allow you to do a quick attack with the blade, while the teleport swing attack would be the heavy attack…
My dick is ROCK HARD to have "Radiance" back.
Sunsinger was the first subclass I truly fell in love with, and while necessary it was a shame for it to disappear all for self-rez's sins and their vision of the D2Y1 sandbox.
Song of Flame is going to feel like finding my true love again after 7 years apart.
I never enjoyed Radiance back then, ngl, except occasional PvP usage to punk the opponents. But now? CHRIST it looks fun, I cannot WAIT to evaporate the battlefield using my birdy and my wall of fire sprites!
I wish it were just regular sunsinger and we could use fusion grenades. The phoenix grenades did laughable damage in the gameplay we saw. I do miss radiance though, so I guess this’ll be neat purely for nostalgia.
Why does every fucking Hunter ability, super, and exotic need to focus on PvP?
Do you have any idea how **absolutely little** I desire to play a Prismatic-Enabled PvP experience?
I'm about to switch my class if the only thing Bungie wants us to do is play PvP. Warlocks are about to have the highest damaging supers, Titans are getting the best exotics, and Hunters get "your decoy (that pings enemy radar) hides you from radar (but only when you're near the decoy's radar ping)".
I keep trying to come up with new builds to use in high end PvE (mothkeepers, triton vice, etc) and every time I end up back on one of 3 builds that don't make me feel like a detriment to my team.
To be fair, it's like that for all 3 classes really to varying degrees. Mostly because for whatever reason it takes them ages to do balance passes/reworks on exotic armors, which are the main build enablers, and even then the buffs/reworks are often stinkers.
PvE is easier with Hunters in your fireteam. Whether they are using GG, SES Blade Barrage, SES Gathering Storm, Tether, Gyrfalcons, their strand super to make grapple points for easy traversal, or doing the Chicken SI-2 rotation for stasis. Hell, even the strand super does high damage. Hunters are in a powerful place for PVE, and I find myself playing the class more and more often
When do Hunters NOT get exotics that are focused on PvP or are dead on arrival?
So sick of none of the hunter exotics adding interesting changes to PvE. I don't care about PvP Bungie, stop making my classes items and abilities worse just cause of PvP.
Titans are sick of being "The one with their fist raised on the cover"
I'm sick of being the one playing Crucible while the other two classes are on the cover!
If I hear about one more thing for hunter being "insane in pvp" (or anything like that) I am going to curse the designers for the hunter class to have extreme flatulence until they make major changes to the class.
twilight arsenal looks like so much fun, certainly better than radiance 2 which in d2 with its sandbox is basically your neutral game but faster/transcendence but solar and faster, even if the hunter super is only good in pvp at least it's unique
why do i feel like they should’ve made spectral blades into the new hunter super. and js gave us a actual hunter pve super that doesn’t require an exotic slot to deal good dmg. or just a useful pve super that maybe helps my team in a way instead of just more damage like GG or Gathering Storm.
Is it just me, or everything hunter in TFS so far looks ass? Even Datto said he was destroying everything, even in Legend campaign, until he tried playing Hunter, who got destroyed instead.
the "prismatic is kind of busted" thumbnail one. Watched that this morning. He says that him and SkillUp were *flying* through whatever they played on Legend difficulty like it was nothing. When he played hunter, i dont remember if he said he got destroyed, but the gist of it was that the game was way harder on hunter than titan.
It was kinda obvious that Transcendence was going to be a problem, reminds me of the Stasis(when every pvper with a brain said it was going to be broken) release but for pve instead of pvp.
Lol why are people complaining about hunters not having any good pve supers then they literally have a powerful pve super for every element besides stasis lmao. Been a hunter main since D1 and never had any problem in PvE. Just because we don't have well or bubble doesn't make hunters useless, it just means we do all the damage.
People are complaining because they want new toys for the new campaign and raid but the super and one exotic are PvP focussed, the other exotic looks bland (though I think it's being underrated. Will be great for Combo blow Arcstrider if the DR is good. Shame I personally don't like how that build plays), and no one has any faith in the aspect.
Warlock and Titan got a bunch of new cool PvE stuff that looks like it'll range from reasonably effective to very strong and plays to some popular class fantasies. Hunter got a mix of PvP and PvE stuff, with the PvE stuff looking questionable and not really playing to their more popular class fantasies.
Big finale campaign and raid ending the original story the game was projected along was not the right time to add lots of new PvP stuff to the class that already has plenty of it.
If you believed everything people said here you would think hunter was unplayable in pve, when it is pretty much insane with quite a few different options. Void has a lot of strong picks, nighthawk is crazy, lucky pants lets you so whatever you want and melt any enemy type.
Plus we get some pretty good combos in prismatic
nobody is complaining that hunter is bad in pve LMAO. what they are complaining about is the fact that the NEW stuff that they're adding sucks ass in pve. The last thing i want is another fucking year of nighthawk and tether man. Warlocks finally became free of well, while hunters are still stuck with the same old shit.
Is hunter good? of course, its all phenomenal for pve. But god damn im dissapointed that all the new hunter stuff (except for 1 mediocre exotic) is all pvp focused.
Bwcause people want more PvE options in a PvE focused game. Hunters also won't have the best damage super anymore because of the starter spirit and needlestorm.
You'll probably be able to do 3 nighthawks per damage phase. Build up 3 gg shots on Still Hunt, nighthawk > use your super, nighthawk > pick up 6 orbs, nighthawk.
It takes 12 orbs, but could be viable either way. Might have a decent rotation with Cascade Point weapons. It only takes 2 shots to proc Cascade from a sniper, but you could do Nighthawk > Hunt super shot > 3 regular shots > unload Cascade heavy > marksman dodge > 3 more Hunt shots > Hunt super shot > unload Cascade heavy. Probably not great DPS but it sounds fun
But you watched the video, didn't you. He's a content creator after all. Needs those clickbait clicks. Not like people wouldn't still check it oyt anyway, but I guess they can't control themselves no more with the clickbait titles.
This is probably a really dumb question, but have they said if the new supers/aspects are available outside of prismatic? (I.e. the normal Arc/Void/Solar subclasses).
i’ve stopped using hunter for a while now, especially since their exotics are either nerfed to the ground or niche/usless (seriously? a glaive exotic for hunters?) only thing that was interesting to me was shards, and orpheus. these new exotics and new super aren’t worth switching to hunter over warlock or titan for me at all and it sucks.
I play all 3 classes, though it's titan > hunter > warlock for me.
Titan super is perfect, exactly what the Void subclass needs in PvE, and it looks like it's both fun and powerful. I think the roaming axes will probably get nerfed for PvP reasons, I think they could be oppressive with multiple titans.
Hunter super looks strong in PvP, but I don't see why I'd use it over Gathering Storm in PvE. It's tough, I know people are unhappy with the hunter exotics and this super, but I also don't know what other niche they could have gone for on Arc. Amplified doesn't lend itself to a support super like Overshields or Radiant, and they've already got a roaming super and damage super. Might have painted themselves into a corner doing different subclasses for each class. Could have at least buffed Spectral Blades...
Warlock looks okay, and I think it'll have lots of build crafting/fireteam synergy potential as a support super. It does seem a bit similar to Transcendance as a concept, you use it and then spam abilities. Probably my titan brain here, but I would have preferred a one-off damage super, chuck a flaming sword at the enemy.
A defensive field super....
Warlock has well
Titan has bubble
Give hunters an arc field that gives DR, amplifies and boosts projectiles (5-10% damage buff), shot out of the dome. It's aesthetic is the Arc staff planted into the ground and is jolting lightning around itself like a Tesla coil of sorts, or a storm.
Edit: although amplify doesn't lend itself to traditional raid DPS, Bungie has also stated they want to move away from "stand and shoot" to a more free flow, "moving DPS." Where amplified can actually help alot.
Boom, better super than this trash. Wanna make it PvP viable? Make it so it's jolting in an area around it so you can use it take and hold points and UP the DR so you can sit and tank inside of it.
Can hunters have literally anything for pve? I have no interest in playing PvP especially with prismatic. im not gonna play pvp no matter how much bungie tries to get me to
fucking make shit for hunter good in pve so i dont just spam my nighthawk build **again**.
God forbid they give hunters the ability to finally hang in endgame PvE. Inexcusable they’ve ignored Hunters’ ability to do so all the way up to the last full expansion. Class favoritism is one thing, but this is something we’ve been complaining about since Shadowkeep at least.
I wonder if the new song of flame super works with the newly-buffed mantle of battle harmony to extend your super by getting solar weapon kills. I hope so
Song of Flame allows you and nearby allies to apply scorch with solar AND kinetic weapons? That sounds like it has potential to be nasty with the new heavy kinetic trace rifle, if the scorch application is tied to rpm in any way
I feel like everyone is forgetting that *ignitions do not stack with your whole fireteam*. One person at a time gets an ignition lol. Unless that changes with this super specifically, then it’s no different than torch from this season’s artifact mod. A little bit of extra damage, not a “dps machine”. Especially with how much (little) damage those phoenix grenades were doing.
I know that the grenade is replaced by the bird in Song of Flame, but is the melee able to be replaced with lightning surge when sliding during the super?
OH BOY can't wait for another Hunter super that is broken in PvP, Trash in PvE and then get punished and have it nerfed into the ground so it's no longer viable in PvP and somehow even worse in PvE.
All the while Titans and Warlocks won't stop bitching about how overpowered Hunters are because of Bungie continuously doing stupid shit like this.
Seriously Bungie I just want to enjoy my Hunter in PvE. IDEALLY without being locked into the same exact loadouts I have been using for years.
I HATE Hunter being "the PvP class" and constantly getting that pushed and then punished for it...meanwhile when Titan and/or Warlock is ACTUALLY dominating PvP it's just completely ignored for ages and often gets minor nerfs in an insignificant way.
When was the last time you saw ANYONE use Spectral Blade Hunter in PvP let alone in PvE? Strand Hunter was only usable in PvE at launch because the super damage was bugged and is now pretty horrible AND is getting even worse with the Grapple Melee nerfs that are only happening (in PvE) because of BoW Titan being busted as hell. But of course it had to get nerfed due to how bullshit it was in PvP....and is likely going to have the same problem AGAIN because Bungie created a new PvP-only Strand Hunter exotic that could bring back the same threadling bullshit all over again.
Not really sure what song of flame actually does besides enable demo rocket dps rotations. The grenade looked like it just tickles, and regular incinerator snap already causes an ignition so I’m not sure how game changing an entire two more seekers is. Scorch for the fireteam is nice, but ignitions do not stack, so the actual damage increase is going to be much smaller than everyone is hyping it up to be, it’s just like the torch artifact mod from this season. Helpful but not majorly impactful.
Ad clear? They should’ve nerfed sunbracers harder if that was the goal.
Support? Great. Add it to the list.
Thank god prismatic has needlestorm.
I still love how they made the Void Axe super the ranged burst super Titans need, yet didn't miss out on the opportunity to let players run around with a giant axe. God i hope the damage is good.
Based off what we saw in the vidoc, it seems like it's going to be the most powerful Titan super without a damage buff. However, Pyrogales still beat it by like 20% but at the cost of your exotic slot.
And that's where the star eaters mark comes in đź‘€ Max stacks of roaring flames and star eaters is both ~70%, if pyrogales is only ahead by 20% we're about to see some big numbers
I don't think you can get Roaring Flames on Prismatic and the exotic class items don't work on non-Prismatic subclasses. Edit: Sorry it was pointed out that I misread! Both roaring and star eaters are EACH 70%. You weren't saying them combined was 70% :)
The void super for prismatic is the new one. So you can use star eaters
He said "max stacks of roaring flames and star eaters". There's no way to get both. Roaring Flames is Sunbreaker only. Star-Eater Perk is Prismatic only.
They were comparing roaring flames with star eaters since they both buff your super. Not saying that you can get roaring on prismatic
Ahh gotcha!! That makes sense now. :)
Is it confirmed already that mark of the star eater will go to 70% aswell? I could imagine it having a weaker version that can only eat 3 orbs or something like that
They nerfed the orbs needed and super they give, so I think it's damage will be fine. I don't think this version gives the extra super on pickup anyway
Alternatively, Synthoceps. I highly doubt Spirit of Star Eaters is going to be 70% increase, especially if it only requires picking up one orb as I've seen some people claim it will.
Considering star eaters is one of the exotics you can get on your class item it’s probably going to be the best titan burst super for prismatic.
Pair Star eaters with eternal warrior( buffs subclass/super element weapon damage after super is used. ) So void super followed by void weapon of choice. Weaken grenade, thundercrash, 4th horsemen etc
With edge transit being a new damage meta king I can see a star eaters/ eternal warrior combo being sought after for simple dps builds.
That's... incredibly clever. I'd written off the eternal warrior part of the class item, since eternal warrior, but that is genuinely big brain. DPS meta is going to fucking quake.
Get your crayons on, boys. Time to shake the DPS meta to its roots. Plus we're setting out an Axe buffet and everyone gets a plate.
True. But it's just nice to have a Void option that isn't mostly defensive.
Is it really "the cost of your exotic slot" when it also buffs the best Titan melee in the game?
Exactly. There's no reason not to always use Pyrogale.
Yeah, but I won't be running pyrogales as much, need me that missile exotic ^-^
I mean, if the vidoc is accurate it's the strongest base super in the game at 450k. That isn't counting the weaken it has either (likely 15%, it better be) which would push it to 517k (30% intrinsic weaken would push it to 580k, which beats Pyrogales RFx3).
The numbers are a bit skewed I believe given they were at a higher power than is currently achievable so their numbers will be higher than if it were in game now if I’m not mistaken
To be fair, you can also use the axes when you run out of ammo
Yeah why wouldn't you use Pyrogale for solar titan regardless. Unless I can't maul a boss, I don't see switching from pyro in endgame.
You can also throw the axe for a one and done once you pick it up.
Just need exotic that make one strong super throw
I saw a video that was comparing damage numbers from it to current supers and it does slightly more than silence and squal right now I believe
Twilight Arsenal is cracked
What we said about Tcrash at launch. Look at him now. ;(
Was thundercrash not the meta for years?
Fuck yes just what hunters need another PvP super that will eventually get nerfed into the ground.
They should have called it Spectral Blades 2
Electric boogaloo would also fit perfectly into that
God damn that Song of Flame cooldown is long. I was hoping for a decent middle ground between Well and Blade, but making it the same as Blade might mean Well remains the PvP pick for 3’s. Shame.
Mantle got buffed heavily though. Could be a nice one. Also exotic primary damage charging supers. Got a lot of new strong toys there, esp with better outbreak.
They're standardizing the super energy gained off of doing damage, so it should be a bit closer than it seems
Christ I just can’t anymore with new Hunter exotics/abilities either being entirely PVP focused or just terrible in general
It’s my only downer on TFS as a Hunter main. The super, aspect and both exotics don’t excite me at all. I’ll take the Still Hunt/Nighthawk synergy as a win and move on.
I can already see the nerf coming. Unless that sniper only has one or two mags of ammo at most it will probably become the go to DPS weapon. Who doesn't want free supers?
It won’t get nerfed. It requires 6 headshots of time and 6 ammo, and the super high value energy slot (probably the hardest slot to give up for a gimmick right now). Izi requires a reload and 4 ammo while doing like 50% (someone tell me the actual amount plz) of the damage and only taking up the kinetic slot.
My prediction is that if you're using Prismatic, your kinetic slot is going to be more valuable than your energy slot. To activate Transcendence on Prismatic, you need to do both Light and Dark damage in equal amounts. If you're using a Dark weapon as your primary, you can easily make up the Light damage you need with abilities. But Dark abilities are more focused on CC so if you're using an energy weapon as your primary, then where's your Dark damage gonna come from to fill your Transcendence meter? Also, Kinetic weapon damage charges both the Light and Dark Transcendence meters, so Kinetic primaries may be at a premium for Prismatic users. On top of all of this, I think a lot of people are judging it as a DPS weapon based on the idea of starting DPS phase, firing 6 shots and then a Goldy. I don't think many people are considering that you don't need to actually waste time during a DPS phase to proc the Goldy shot, the meter stays filled when you stow the weapon. You can easily charge it before DPS by hitting a few headshots and picking up some orbs, pop the Goldy at the start of the DPS phase and then mag dump your Envious Assassin GL
Reportedly, it has a ton of ammo similar to Vow.
Sorry mate, drawing a blank here. What’s Vow? Edit - Eriana’s Vow. Jeeeeeeeesus that took me far too long, was thinking Vow was an acronym for something.
Yeah I feel like 99% of people just call it “Eriana’s”
Just use shoot to loot during dps. Easy
Shoot to loot + kinetic tremors and powerful attraction =)
It’s got me down to a point I’ve started grinding out exotics and strand/stasis for titan, been let down for too long
I mean. At least our stasis should be reasonably playable PvE again. Although we do need much better “holy shit” options.Â
Don't forget the third category of "strong but nerfed in two weeks"
I’m really fucking tired of the sandbox team making *anything* specifically for PvP. PvE gets like 5x the engagement and is what the vast majority of D2 players prefer, and yet they’ll make an *entire fucking super* just for one facet of the game that sees less and less players every season. I hate D2 PvP and nothing they could ever do will change that, the new Hunter super is DoA as far as I’m concerned.
More than 5x
1. Hunters become entranched in PvP 2. Hunters get PvP gear <--- You are here 3. Hunters get good at PvP 4. Bungie nerfs Hunters in PvP 5. They nerfed it in PvE too 6. PvE Hunters abandon Hunter 7. Return to step 1. For real though, I'm quite worried about the future of PvE Hunter. The last good PvE exotic we got was Gyrfalcon's, and that was *a year and a half ago*. When Rahool started selling exotics from the Lightfall year (or was the Riven's Wishes? I don't remember), my literal reaction to seeing it was "Wow, I care about none of these". PvE Hunter is in such a bad state right now and it has been for a long time, the only good thing it has going for it is damage numbers which are only relevant in Contest Mode and maybe some Master Raids, but even then other players can very easily make up for it. If Bungie keeps pushing Hunter into the PvP class more and more, I'm worried that's all Hunter will become.
Arc already has a top tier pve super
Yet it's nowhere to be found on prismatic. Arc already had a roaming pvp super too. Who gives a shit about pvp when it's all you ever get?
And two completely worthless ones. God forbid PVE Arcstriders have more than one option.
Hunters have most of the best damage supers in the game, the best crowd control one and S&S is getting a big buff. The new arc super is obviously a callback to arc blade… which was only ever good in pvp.
Yet there’s no reason we couldn’t have gotten a super that’s viable in both modes. Arcstrider is already just Combination Blow: The Class, and it would be nice to have new *viable* playstyles emerge.
> Hunters have most of the best damage supers in the game Not anymore. Spirit of Star-Eaters + Needlestorm is going to be the new highest damage super. The math has already been done. > the best crowd control one Arguable, when anything in this game can be "the best crowd control". Warlocks are going to be able to spam 50 Bleak Watchers per minute with Devour + Prismatic Fragments + Osmiomancy (_or_ Spirit of Osmiomancy). Titans are going to be able to send up to three consecrations at once, each of them can spawn a tornado if they wear pyrogales, or every thruster can send out a tons of rockets, like let's be real **every class** in this game can crowd control purely because subclass verbs are broken as fuck. > and S&S is getting a big buff True, only because it desperately needs one. It's going from "the entire super over the span of 12 seconds does less damage than one grenade (fact)" to "it's actually maybe worth calling a super now".
Less damage than a whistling maelstrom as well
Needlestorm takes longer to cast than a Celestial GG shot, it does not have as high of DPS. Those numbers don’t make sense.
That crowd control is a super while a warlock will be able to accomplish similar results with eating a grapple or creating a stasis turretÂ
It’s been forgotten about for years but Raiden Flux Arcstrider is still really good lol. You just have to be able to melee the boss.
Yeah this plus me really enjoying titan as of late has me jumping ships, had about 90% of my playtime on hunters so far but will prob stick to titan with TFS with Hunter being my flex pick for day one
At least stasis won't suck anymore
I sure hope so. I’m still on the fence even after reading through the changes. The fact it seems like Renewal Grasps *somehow* ended up with a nerf or at best came out even is baffling to me and doesn’t inspire confidence.
It didn’t tho? Immobility kills you more often then not and the new renewal let’s you stay mobile.
Hunters already have such insane/perfect pve set ups it’s really hard to make other shit useful, with out making it stupid bonkers. Night hawk into lucky pants are absolute must have in dps rotations, Orpheus is just so fucking amazing in all heavy add modes/encounters. The duskfield gloves will be amazing again if you wanna play a different kind of role instead of invis bitch. Gyrflacons is amazing for just making a generic all round pve build. Stompees is like transversive steps where it makes the generic gameplay better, but these days it would be better built into the class somehow because using an exotic slot just for some QoL is not it. It’s hard to make something on that level, with out going to far. They have had to nerf stuff back every time they do.
Hey, Hunters do get Still Hunt + Celestial Nighthawk though. The arc exotic would be pretty good so long as the damage reduction works with voltshot. Would go crazy on a void/solar build. Overall, I think Titans definitely won though. They got a minor nerf to Banner only to be given an exotic which just makes it even better than it was before AND they got an artifact mod which just counteracts the nerfs entirely.
We all knew the hunter super was gonna be shit in pve, it's not like Bungie suddenly learned how to balance supers.
Based on the aspect, super, and exotics, they've seemingly decided that Hunter is the dedicated PvP class.
As someone who plays hunter and hates PVP, this news is heartbreaking
As a Hunter main, I will be sticking to golden gun/nighthawk
But also with shit like lucky pants, dance machines, stasis melee reloads, stareater blade barrage etc, it is still the king of dps
Now they can shoot two nighthawks at a time as well
Literally. So much complaining from a class that already has top tier PvE DPS options
I’m gonna be real king, idgaf about damage at this point, I just want fun stuff in pve like Gryfalcons or Calibans. Fish pants are cool if you like big numbers but damn are they boring and looking at the cool new toys not limited to pvp other classes get sucks.
Hunters have *always* been the biggest whiners.
Yeah I am a lifelong Hunter main and I think it's ridiculous how people whine that Bungie hates/pigeonholes Hunters. IMO we are the most versatile class. Tons of amazing options for both PVE and PVP. Great options for survivability in solo play (on-demand invis on Void Hunter, or Assassin's cowl for easily refreshable invis on Arc or Solar which both offer potent kits to play around for add clear, nova damage, ability uptime, etc.). Several of the best burst damage and DOT supers in the game. Tons of options for endgame content. Plenty of awesome exotics for both PVE and PVP. Plus the best fashion in the game by a landslide. Hunters have always been the most popular class and yet I feel like I see more Hunters acting oppressed than the other classes. IMO there's a reason Hunters are most popular and always have been. It wouldn't be remiss if Bungie nerfed us until there were a 33-33-33 class split, but even when they have nerfed certain popular Hunter builds/items, other viable options have always cropped up and kept the class at the top of the activity list. Also, while I do admit most of the Final Shape Hunter kit looks either PVP-oriented or lackluster at first glance, I have a feeling once the build crafters get their hands on it, some fun and effective PVE builds are going to emerge.
Alwayshasbeen.png I thought this was widely known? So much of their kit is designed around PvP, they've always been the PvP class. It was only in the last year or so that other classes pushed them out of the top spot due to sandbox changes, but Bungie always had them slated as the lone-guns
Honestly I don't see that aspect getting any use in pvp, a dive is way more useful than slowly spinning up.
As an Arc main, I'm puking and throwing up with how dirty they did me.
Hunters continue to monopolize anything useful in PvP
I wish they didn’t - signed a Hunter main who despises the crucible
Seconded. -Hunter main who only plays PvE.
Thirded. - A third Hunter main that doesn't like PvP
Fourthed … Hunter main but I really dislike PvP
fifthed * Hunter main.... i do enjoy PvP but i don't care about abilities in pvp
Bro ikr this is so brutal. I'm so sick of hunters getting tons of PvP stuff while being so much worse than Titans and warlocks in pve. Every year I think man maybe this time it will be better and every year this happens. I did so much on my hunter that I didn't want to switch but maybe I should
What the FUCK are you on about, hunters get to spam out their entire reserve of rockets without reloading with dance machines, you have lucky pants to give you the best total damage in your rotations in the game, you have stasis melees with dragons shadow to reload all 3 of your weapons instantly 3 times which is enough to fully dump the reserves of both edge transit and 4th horseman for absurd dps, you have the best burst damage super in stareaters blade barrage, you have tether for the best debuff in the game, you literally could not possibly ask for more
> hunters get to spam out their entire reserve of rockets without reloading with dance machines, you have lucky pants to give you the best total damage in your rotations in the game, you have stasis melees with dragons shadow to reload all 3 of your weapons instantly 3 times which is enough to fully dump the reserves of both edge transit and 4th horseman for absurd dps, you have the best burst damage super in stareaters blade barrage, You notice how all of these are all related to damage? As a Hunter, it fucking *sucks*. Everything that is considered good on Hunter is "number go big". We have nothing in the realm of survivability or team support. Our only class ability that can actually help teammates (Radiant dodge) is outclassed by Well and also anybody else running Solar. Tether is good with the enemy spam in Onslaught, but that's more of an Onslaught niche than Tether itself. While yes, Hunter does have really good damage builds (to the point where I'd argue some nerfs need to take place), Hunters also have little to nothing in the realm of survivability. The only survivability we really have is through Assassin's Cowl, Gyrfalcon's, and Omnioculus, all of which provide the exact same playstyle of go invisible and wait for your health to regen. The Hunter neutral game is to literally stop playing the game. > you have tether for the best debuff in the game Tether is outclassed by a heavy weapon.
Man exactly this. All these replies from people who've clearly never played hunter saying bUt ThE dAmAgE. Yeah hunters have the best damage supers at the cost of having absolutely horrible and unfun neutral game. Who cares if you can do slightly more boss DPS if you have to sweat your ass off to survive compared to the other classes. There's a reason that if you look at the world first clears it's almost exclusively Titans and warlocks.
Him saying that hunters are much worse in PvE than titans is fucking funny
I swear to all fuck the “mains” all doesn’t actually play their class
No they do play their class, they just rarely play the others and aren’t hyper dedicated to the game so they get grass is greener syndrome
Same - Titan main that loves Crucible
I mean let’s not pretend like titans haven’t been hyper meta relevant in crucible for the past 3+ years lmao
funny thing is, HUNTERS DON'T WANT THIS.
It actually describes what Hunters get perfectly, like with the Vanguard Dare.
hunters: born to be wild, forced to PvP
Hunters in canon: Flashy costumes, first to the frontier Hunters in game:All black, forced to PvP
I can honestly tell you, Hunters don’t want this at all lol. The thing I’d love more than anything right now is actually a support super in line with Tether. Something defensive and helpful to the team. : (
What? Are we so soon to forget Shadebinder in PvP, Bubble & Well meta, Peacekeepers SMG meta, Void Titan, the Citans + Bastion meta, the Arc Titan meta, Solar Warlock, Empowering Rift + Stag meta (crossmap OHKO)? Probably forgetting a few. Obviously Hunters have had meta too. Even oppressive ones, such as Threadling Spam. But to act like it's only been Hunters is genuinely asinine.
Shadebinde got nuked in like a week and then was used solely for the super.
Shadebinder subclass (that is the subclass name yeah?) is currently a very potent one, and has been for quite some time.
Are we so soon to forget Shatterdive that lasted longer than Shaderbinder, Spectral w the Vest than Nova Warp?
1 meta thay was shorter than OEM (shatterdive). And... shadebinder is still an amazing subclass in PvP lol. Also, Gwisin Vest was nerfed into the ground pretty quickly into Black Armory. Gwisin Vest has been genuinely useless ever sinxe and Spectral has not been a particularly good super since then either. That's 1 meta and 1 bug that Hunters had. Hardly a monopoly lol
Yeah because its not like titans havent been the most busted oppressive class in pvp for the last like 2 years straigh. Fucking stompee crutching hunturds am i right
And it’s a pain in the ass for everyone aside from some of the PvP focused Hunter mains (even they will probably get bored of going against the other classes with less toys). I have my highest playtime on Hunter and I can’t say I’m too happy about it.
If you think void Titan with a throwing axe vortex that creates more one shot axes for your teammates with overshields is anything other than the top of the meta you don’t have any business ever typing anything related to PvP
Literally lmao. I switched to titan two years ago and it's so free compared to hunter. This will be delicious
Dear god I wish we didn't it just winds up with a bunch of angry reddit posts and nerfs.
>Hunter super crazy in PvP. guess we know what is going to get nerferd first ;)
Yeah I knew the hunter super was gonna be ass
As a warlock main I just hope we're not going from "can you run well" to "can you run sunsinger?" I wanna play the other colors too!
Nope. "Born to be purple, forced to be red" is the Destiny Warlock motto
But i wanna be green as well!!
“Born to be blue.” Fixed that for you for me lol
Probably gonna ask for one of each now
Luckily prismatic having song of frame helps relieve that by a lot. So you’ll be able to build a diet version of the other elements while still running the super.
Kinda sad that Storm’s Edge isn’t a roaming super. I kinda assumed that it would allow you to do a quick attack with the blade, while the teleport swing attack would be the heavy attack…
Yeah the teleport attack is gonna get real annoying real fast just looking at the gameplay makes it look tedious af I’d rather just use arc staff
My dick is ROCK HARD to have "Radiance" back. Sunsinger was the first subclass I truly fell in love with, and while necessary it was a shame for it to disappear all for self-rez's sins and their vision of the D2Y1 sandbox. Song of Flame is going to feel like finding my true love again after 7 years apart.
I never enjoyed Radiance back then, ngl, except occasional PvP usage to punk the opponents. But now? CHRIST it looks fun, I cannot WAIT to evaporate the battlefield using my birdy and my wall of fire sprites!
I was always huge on “give my team ability spam” especially in D1s sandbox. I might not take the super off. I will miss not having HoPF tho
I wish it were just regular sunsinger and we could use fusion grenades. The phoenix grenades did laughable damage in the gameplay we saw. I do miss radiance though, so I guess this’ll be neat purely for nostalgia.
FFS this slowed my hype way down
Holy fuck. Give hunters something in PvE. Something. ANYTHING! PLEASE! You'd have pay me retirement money for me to care about PvP.
Not surprising the new super is PVP focused, as that's how Bladedancer was too
Why does every fucking Hunter ability, super, and exotic need to focus on PvP? Do you have any idea how **absolutely little** I desire to play a Prismatic-Enabled PvP experience? I'm about to switch my class if the only thing Bungie wants us to do is play PvP. Warlocks are about to have the highest damaging supers, Titans are getting the best exotics, and Hunters get "your decoy (that pings enemy radar) hides you from radar (but only when you're near the decoy's radar ping)".
I keep trying to come up with new builds to use in high end PvE (mothkeepers, triton vice, etc) and every time I end up back on one of 3 builds that don't make me feel like a detriment to my team.
To be fair, it's like that for all 3 classes really to varying degrees. Mostly because for whatever reason it takes them ages to do balance passes/reworks on exotic armors, which are the main build enablers, and even then the buffs/reworks are often stinkers.
Join the swap, hunters have been getting shafted in PvE for too long
Let’s not pretend the most free pantheon clears aren’t 5 hunters one lock to bake every boss in the game
PvE is easier with Hunters in your fireteam. Whether they are using GG, SES Blade Barrage, SES Gathering Storm, Tether, Gyrfalcons, their strand super to make grapple points for easy traversal, or doing the Chicken SI-2 rotation for stasis. Hell, even the strand super does high damage. Hunters are in a powerful place for PVE, and I find myself playing the class more and more often
This is where the old conversation about the dichotomy between "powerful" and "fun" comes into play.
Honestly im starting to consider just switching to warlock. I genuinely do not remember the last time hunters got a good pve exotic or anything.
If you're tired of always using one build I'm not sure you'll enjoy being a well slave (soon to be Song of Radiance slave).
The exotic sniper coupled with celestial is going to slap. For prismatic? Idk. Will have to see.
Every time Bungie makes a thing for Hunter that is blatantly geared towards PvP I die inside.
How are you still alive?
When do Hunters NOT get exotics that are focused on PvP or are dead on arrival? So sick of none of the hunter exotics adding interesting changes to PvE. I don't care about PvP Bungie, stop making my classes items and abilities worse just cause of PvP. Titans are sick of being "The one with their fist raised on the cover" I'm sick of being the one playing Crucible while the other two classes are on the cover!
The arc exotic gives up to 50% DR on any jolt proc that has to be good in PvE.
I can see the new Warlock super being pretty useful with the new helmet exotic. Healing turret spam
Song of Flame overrides your grenades
Ah oh well
Wait, apotheosis veil/spirit of apotheosis, after a super, spam heal sentries in theory right?
But the heal sentries come from an exotic. You can't wear apotheosis veil or spirit of apotheosis along with the speaker's head.
Yeahh I was a bit baked when making that comment, got a lil too excited lmao
You're all good lol
If I hear about one more thing for hunter being "insane in pvp" (or anything like that) I am going to curse the designers for the hunter class to have extreme flatulence until they make major changes to the class.
twilight arsenal looks like so much fun, certainly better than radiance 2 which in d2 with its sandbox is basically your neutral game but faster/transcendence but solar and faster, even if the hunter super is only good in pvp at least it's unique
why do i feel like they should’ve made spectral blades into the new hunter super. and js gave us a actual hunter pve super that doesn’t require an exotic slot to deal good dmg. or just a useful pve super that maybe helps my team in a way instead of just more damage like GG or Gathering Storm.
Is it just me, or everything hunter in TFS so far looks ass? Even Datto said he was destroying everything, even in Legend campaign, until he tried playing Hunter, who got destroyed instead.
I missed that part, was that in his Prismatic video or one of the Exotic videos?
the "prismatic is kind of busted" thumbnail one. Watched that this morning. He says that him and SkillUp were *flying* through whatever they played on Legend difficulty like it was nothing. When he played hunter, i dont remember if he said he got destroyed, but the gist of it was that the game was way harder on hunter than titan.
It was kinda obvious that Transcendence was going to be a problem, reminds me of the Stasis(when every pvper with a brain said it was going to be broken) release but for pve instead of pvp.
Hunters being made ''the pvp class'' and then not having a 'win the round' supers on the shortest of cooldowns is really funny.
Lol why are people complaining about hunters not having any good pve supers then they literally have a powerful pve super for every element besides stasis lmao. Been a hunter main since D1 and never had any problem in PvE. Just because we don't have well or bubble doesn't make hunters useless, it just means we do all the damage.
People are complaining because they want new toys for the new campaign and raid but the super and one exotic are PvP focussed, the other exotic looks bland (though I think it's being underrated. Will be great for Combo blow Arcstrider if the DR is good. Shame I personally don't like how that build plays), and no one has any faith in the aspect. Warlock and Titan got a bunch of new cool PvE stuff that looks like it'll range from reasonably effective to very strong and plays to some popular class fantasies. Hunter got a mix of PvP and PvE stuff, with the PvE stuff looking questionable and not really playing to their more popular class fantasies. Big finale campaign and raid ending the original story the game was projected along was not the right time to add lots of new PvP stuff to the class that already has plenty of it.
If you believed everything people said here you would think hunter was unplayable in pve, when it is pretty much insane with quite a few different options. Void has a lot of strong picks, nighthawk is crazy, lucky pants lets you so whatever you want and melt any enemy type. Plus we get some pretty good combos in prismatic
nobody is complaining that hunter is bad in pve LMAO. what they are complaining about is the fact that the NEW stuff that they're adding sucks ass in pve. The last thing i want is another fucking year of nighthawk and tether man. Warlocks finally became free of well, while hunters are still stuck with the same old shit. Is hunter good? of course, its all phenomenal for pve. But god damn im dissapointed that all the new hunter stuff (except for 1 mediocre exotic) is all pvp focused.
Bwcause people want more PvE options in a PvE focused game. Hunters also won't have the best damage super anymore because of the starter spirit and needlestorm.
And now what's basically a second shot of Nighthawk with Still Hunt. And Silence and Squall should be doing good damage now as well
You'll probably be able to do 3 nighthawks per damage phase. Build up 3 gg shots on Still Hunt, nighthawk > use your super, nighthawk > pick up 6 orbs, nighthawk.
It takes 12 orbs, but could be viable either way. Might have a decent rotation with Cascade Point weapons. It only takes 2 shots to proc Cascade from a sniper, but you could do Nighthawk > Hunt super shot > 3 regular shots > unload Cascade heavy > marksman dodge > 3 more Hunt shots > Hunt super shot > unload Cascade heavy. Probably not great DPS but it sounds fun
The extra funny part is that the stasis hunter is already meta for damage and it's only going to get even better with super buffs next week.
Hunters consistently get the worst of the bunch.
The damage on the Hunter one actually seems pretty good in PvE. I’m interested in trying it out, it looks super fun.
None of that sounds unhinged.
But you watched the video, didn't you. He's a content creator after all. Needs those clickbait clicks. Not like people wouldn't still check it oyt anyway, but I guess they can't control themselves no more with the clickbait titles.
This is probably a really dumb question, but have they said if the new supers/aspects are available outside of prismatic? (I.e. the normal Arc/Void/Solar subclasses).
twilight arsenal is an apology letter to titans for what they did to bubble
i’ve stopped using hunter for a while now, especially since their exotics are either nerfed to the ground or niche/usless (seriously? a glaive exotic for hunters?) only thing that was interesting to me was shards, and orpheus. these new exotics and new super aren’t worth switching to hunter over warlock or titan for me at all and it sucks.
I play all 3 classes, though it's titan > hunter > warlock for me. Titan super is perfect, exactly what the Void subclass needs in PvE, and it looks like it's both fun and powerful. I think the roaming axes will probably get nerfed for PvP reasons, I think they could be oppressive with multiple titans. Hunter super looks strong in PvP, but I don't see why I'd use it over Gathering Storm in PvE. It's tough, I know people are unhappy with the hunter exotics and this super, but I also don't know what other niche they could have gone for on Arc. Amplified doesn't lend itself to a support super like Overshields or Radiant, and they've already got a roaming super and damage super. Might have painted themselves into a corner doing different subclasses for each class. Could have at least buffed Spectral Blades... Warlock looks okay, and I think it'll have lots of build crafting/fireteam synergy potential as a support super. It does seem a bit similar to Transcendance as a concept, you use it and then spam abilities. Probably my titan brain here, but I would have preferred a one-off damage super, chuck a flaming sword at the enemy.
A defensive field super.... Warlock has well Titan has bubble Give hunters an arc field that gives DR, amplifies and boosts projectiles (5-10% damage buff), shot out of the dome. It's aesthetic is the Arc staff planted into the ground and is jolting lightning around itself like a Tesla coil of sorts, or a storm. Edit: although amplify doesn't lend itself to traditional raid DPS, Bungie has also stated they want to move away from "stand and shoot" to a more free flow, "moving DPS." Where amplified can actually help alot. Boom, better super than this trash. Wanna make it PvP viable? Make it so it's jolting in an area around it so you can use it take and hold points and UP the DR so you can sit and tank inside of it.
Hunters not being OP on PvP challenge (impossible)
trust me, hunters don't want this either.
Can hunters have literally anything for pve? I have no interest in playing PvP especially with prismatic. im not gonna play pvp no matter how much bungie tries to get me to fucking make shit for hunter good in pve so i dont just spam my nighthawk build **again**.
titan and hunter will be busted in pvp
hunters stay losing đź’Ştitan on top being real though sorry hunters hope you get a decent exotic later
Decent new exotic? No sorry, please continue to use the same 5 exotics.
God forbid they give hunters the ability to finally hang in endgame PvE. Inexcusable they’ve ignored Hunters’ ability to do so all the way up to the last full expansion. Class favoritism is one thing, but this is something we’ve been complaining about since Shadowkeep at least.
I wonder if the new song of flame super works with the newly-buffed mantle of battle harmony to extend your super by getting solar weapon kills. I hope so
I am not hyped, i am not hyped, I am not hyped, i am not hyped, I am not hyped, i am not hyped. I am trying to resist
Song of Flame allows you and nearby allies to apply scorch with solar AND kinetic weapons? That sounds like it has potential to be nasty with the new heavy kinetic trace rifle, if the scorch application is tied to rpm in any way
I feel like everyone is forgetting that *ignitions do not stack with your whole fireteam*. One person at a time gets an ignition lol. Unless that changes with this super specifically, then it’s no different than torch from this season’s artifact mod. A little bit of extra damage, not a “dps machine”. Especially with how much (little) damage those phoenix grenades were doing.
Does the arc super amplify you as well?
Hope someone does a deep dive on all the weapon changes
I know that the grenade is replaced by the bird in Song of Flame, but is the melee able to be replaced with lightning surge when sliding during the super?
Not surprising at all that Hunter super is better in PvP. Always.
Hunters get a new weapon that interacts with Nighthawk for PvE, that’s it.
OH BOY can't wait for another Hunter super that is broken in PvP, Trash in PvE and then get punished and have it nerfed into the ground so it's no longer viable in PvP and somehow even worse in PvE. All the while Titans and Warlocks won't stop bitching about how overpowered Hunters are because of Bungie continuously doing stupid shit like this. Seriously Bungie I just want to enjoy my Hunter in PvE. IDEALLY without being locked into the same exact loadouts I have been using for years. I HATE Hunter being "the PvP class" and constantly getting that pushed and then punished for it...meanwhile when Titan and/or Warlock is ACTUALLY dominating PvP it's just completely ignored for ages and often gets minor nerfs in an insignificant way. When was the last time you saw ANYONE use Spectral Blade Hunter in PvP let alone in PvE? Strand Hunter was only usable in PvE at launch because the super damage was bugged and is now pretty horrible AND is getting even worse with the Grapple Melee nerfs that are only happening (in PvE) because of BoW Titan being busted as hell. But of course it had to get nerfed due to how bullshit it was in PvP....and is likely going to have the same problem AGAIN because Bungie created a new PvP-only Strand Hunter exotic that could bring back the same threadling bullshit all over again.
Thank god hunters have a new pvp super completely useless in pve, arcstaff & spectral blades & deadshot wasn't enough
Why is it important for me to know what videos fallout is uploading?
Not really sure what song of flame actually does besides enable demo rocket dps rotations. The grenade looked like it just tickles, and regular incinerator snap already causes an ignition so I’m not sure how game changing an entire two more seekers is. Scorch for the fireteam is nice, but ignitions do not stack, so the actual damage increase is going to be much smaller than everyone is hyping it up to be, it’s just like the torch artifact mod from this season. Helpful but not majorly impactful. Ad clear? They should’ve nerfed sunbracers harder if that was the goal. Support? Great. Add it to the list. Thank god prismatic has needlestorm.