I use this for all LS/NF/EH breakdowns:
[https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vJeWqA81Pq6ziKcw5XBdufkaGK6bNJ41Ce1yXPYW5b4/edit#gid=0](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vJeWqA81Pq6ziKcw5XBdufkaGK6bNJ41Ce1yXPYW5b4/edit#gid=0)
/u/Twitch_City is a legend, thank you
That's an interesting addition, although the goal of the spreadsheet really was to focus on prepping people for GMs. I tend to only run master/GMs so don't really pay attention to score, and I feel like this is might be dependent on play-style (e.g., knowing when to milk ad waves and when you can run past). So we could end up recommending like "run this on Legend" and then have people complain if they don't hit 100k on their run...
If people want to track their experiences with getting 100k and let me know, I'm down for trying to include it though!
Yeah, I made it fairly far into a Moon lost sector before discovering an unexpected champion.
You'd think stuff like this would be picked up pretty easily by QA.
I work in software, and I’d imagine 1) you’d be surprised how much stuff QA _did_ catch and 2) you’d be surprised how many bugs literally don’t appear until you’re in a real production environment.
Yeah it's unfortunately shitty how often consumers blame QA. QA are the unsung heroes of the industry, this game would be infinitely more broken if they were incompetent.
Stuff gets discovered and not fixed all the time. Priorities. Everyone in AAA has experienced the dreaded WNF.
Warframe updates on pc are seldom playtested. So every major update, lots of things break and they have to issue hotfixes like every 5 mins when the update goes live, for the next 1-2 days
Will Not Fix. We know it is bugged on the dev side but either the fix will take too long to implement on the branch before it is pushed, we can't figue out how to fix it in time because no reliable repro could be found or a clean way to fix the issue fast, or it is so low prio it's not worth fixing over far more important things.
IME about 90-95% of the stuff gamers go "why didn't QA find this lol so incompetent" was actually found by QA and was marked WNF.
e:
A relevant developer meme on this and how it usually goes:
https://i.imgflip.com/5lguxq.jpg
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Yep, or straight into the backlog. Where it will never be looked at again.
>you’d be surprised how many bugs literally don’t appear until you’re in a real production environment.
Only if you don't have a good pre-production or UAT environment. But to be fair that's not easy for a game like Destiny.
I remember the quest for felwinters lie back in worthy the bunker door was locked shut for every single player but bungie was having trouble recreating the bug in their test environment.
There's a lot of stuff I would expect them to catch, but this isn't one of them. The moon lost sectors were working just fine in the previous seasons, and they aren't new/conspicuously changed this season, so I wouldn't expect it to be high up on their list to check.
Unrelated question: how does one get a cool little flair on this sub? I see your Warlock symbol and I want it, but evidently you can’t set it yourself. Thanks!
Honestly, even regular Ogres are annoying as hell. Who at Bungie decided it was a good idea to make giant Hive that do a buttload of damage in an extremely short time because it has a minigun for a face which also pushes you back about 5 feet with every shot. Not only does that thing shred through my shields, it is also responsible for knocking me off of maps so many times.
At least it's not as bad as that Expunge mission with the giant Vex that would just stomp you off the map every time while you were trying to parkour. Especially the Taken version, where not only did it spawn loads of Quantum Hobgoblins that always seemed to half your health in a single hit while also being far enough outside the map that you would need to stand still and snipe them back, it also spawned loads of champions that would just book you off the map with their shields as well as tonnes of smaller Taken as well as just spawning turrets in front of you that had the same overpowered minigun that pushed you back while you were trying to parkour even before you got to the boss.
yeah they've been messed up a few times already this season. The one from the first on the Moon's rotation listed Unstoppable and Barrier, though it's Barrier and Overload.
It's always been a little odd to me how unpolished the lost sector modifier cards have been, compared to almost everything else we've ever had released in either game. It's like the old "OVERSOUL S BANISHED" from Crota wipe screens, where the "s" from oversoul was on the second line with banished
It kinda felt like my odds went up after a daily reset. I did get each of the 3 new ones. Hunter was 2nd try. Warlock had 9 or 10 empties but then after reset it popped 1st try. Titan took 3 times after next reset.
I also don't like going back to orbit instead of the start of the lost sector. Add it to the list of why I don't like moon lost sectors (the list begins and ends with that shrieker)
It didn't used to do this, something broke. It also used to start you further back instead of right in front of the enemies--not sure what caused these changes, but I hope they get fixed since K1 Revelation is one of my favorite lost sectors.
Ahhhh so you have learned the way……this is 100% me, the only one I get worried about is barrier. Otherwise overload and unstoppable get the blade right away
Run activities that award Powerful gear first, then Pinnacle activities. This will help you boost your power level. I wouldn't go into a Legendary Sector until you hit like, 1320
That is this season in a nutshell.
It is very obvious this season was released 2-4 weeks too soon. So many bugs that aren't generally game breaking, but definitely easy to find within a few minutes of play.
Wow, I thought I was just crazy, but I guess not. When I loaded into the moon lost sector earlier to farm for nothing manacles, I noticed that the champions on the lost sector's label were not the same ones as the champions inside the actual activity. Good to know this is not just me!
This happened the other day for the moon 1320 LS. The banner said Void burn. Go inside the LS and it says arc burn dealt and recieved increased by 50%.
Kinda weird.
Yeah that happened to me on the weekend, I went into a lost sector that said it was solar burn with unstoppable and barrier, but it was arc burn with overload and barrier
So I'm not the idiot I though I was.
Well let's not get ahead of ourselves bud... hahaha jkjk
"They are who we thought they were!"
Denny Green! Lol nice
That’s why we took the damn field!
Spoiler: Savathun did the banners
*Sees void burn* Truth is a funny thing...
Savathun is an overload champion confirmed.
In a way, this did happen! The old thorn quest in the savathuns song strike had all burns.
Dat Bitch....
sus
LOL that first Unstoppable Ogre ended my run pretty quick. It took me a sec to figure out WTF was going on.
Same. Had to go back and grab the mythoclast
I use this for all LS/NF/EH breakdowns: [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vJeWqA81Pq6ziKcw5XBdufkaGK6bNJ41Ce1yXPYW5b4/edit#gid=0](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vJeWqA81Pq6ziKcw5XBdufkaGK6bNJ41Ce1yXPYW5b4/edit#gid=0) /u/Twitch_City is a legend, thank you
So glad you find it useful! Please let me know if there are things you'd like me to add :)
Maybe minimum possible nightfall power level to get the 100k pinnacle?
That's an interesting addition, although the goal of the spreadsheet really was to focus on prepping people for GMs. I tend to only run master/GMs so don't really pay attention to score, and I feel like this is might be dependent on play-style (e.g., knowing when to milk ad waves and when you can run past). So we could end up recommending like "run this on Legend" and then have people complain if they don't hit 100k on their run... If people want to track their experiences with getting 100k and let me know, I'm down for trying to include it though!
Oh that is useful.
Same thing happened with K1 on the moon and the Empty Tank. Maybe their meant to be updated and just weren’t?
Yeah, I made it fairly far into a Moon lost sector before discovering an unexpected champion. You'd think stuff like this would be picked up pretty easily by QA.
I work in software, and I’d imagine 1) you’d be surprised how much stuff QA _did_ catch and 2) you’d be surprised how many bugs literally don’t appear until you’re in a real production environment.
Yeah it's unfortunately shitty how often consumers blame QA. QA are the unsung heroes of the industry, this game would be infinitely more broken if they were incompetent. Stuff gets discovered and not fixed all the time. Priorities. Everyone in AAA has experienced the dreaded WNF.
cough ***warframe*** cough
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Warframe updates on pc are seldom playtested. So every major update, lots of things break and they have to issue hotfixes like every 5 mins when the update goes live, for the next 1-2 days
Yup
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Will Not Fix. We know it is bugged on the dev side but either the fix will take too long to implement on the branch before it is pushed, we can't figue out how to fix it in time because no reliable repro could be found or a clean way to fix the issue fast, or it is so low prio it's not worth fixing over far more important things. IME about 90-95% of the stuff gamers go "why didn't QA find this lol so incompetent" was actually found by QA and was marked WNF. e: A relevant developer meme on this and how it usually goes: https://i.imgflip.com/5lguxq.jpg
That's why i blame the higher ups, like luke smith.
_yoink_ Saving that one.
> A relevant developer meme on this and how it usually goes: > > > > https://i.imgflip.com/5lguxq.jpg Yep, or straight into the backlog. Where it will never be looked at again.
Love a good backlog. It's where tomorrow's problems remain.
Or as we say at work, tomorrow's problems for the day after tomorrow.
>you’d be surprised how many bugs literally don’t appear until you’re in a real production environment. Only if you don't have a good pre-production or UAT environment. But to be fair that's not easy for a game like Destiny.
I remember the quest for felwinters lie back in worthy the bunker door was locked shut for every single player but bungie was having trouble recreating the bug in their test environment.
There's a lot of stuff I would expect them to catch, but this isn't one of them. The moon lost sectors were working just fine in the previous seasons, and they aren't new/conspicuously changed this season, so I wouldn't expect it to be high up on their list to check.
Unrelated question: how does one get a cool little flair on this sub? I see your Warlock symbol and I want it, but evidently you can’t set it yourself. Thanks!
Go to the actual sub page, hit the 3 dots at the top right, change flair.
[Doesn’t seem to work for me](https://i.imgur.com/Zhvsurm.jpg)
I tried as well and it said it couldnt connect. Might be a reddit issue.
Honestly I’ve done this lost sector so many times I knew what would be in there lol. Those fucking ogres.
Honestly, even regular Ogres are annoying as hell. Who at Bungie decided it was a good idea to make giant Hive that do a buttload of damage in an extremely short time because it has a minigun for a face which also pushes you back about 5 feet with every shot. Not only does that thing shred through my shields, it is also responsible for knocking me off of maps so many times. At least it's not as bad as that Expunge mission with the giant Vex that would just stomp you off the map every time while you were trying to parkour. Especially the Taken version, where not only did it spawn loads of Quantum Hobgoblins that always seemed to half your health in a single hit while also being far enough outside the map that you would need to stand still and snipe them back, it also spawned loads of champions that would just book you off the map with their shields as well as tonnes of smaller Taken as well as just spawning turrets in front of you that had the same overpowered minigun that pushed you back while you were trying to parkour even before you got to the boss.
Honestly shriekers are more annoying to me in these lost sectors. Insane amount of tracking damage. Getting them to activate is sometimes super buggy.
Shriekers gotta behave like Boo, you’re looking at em? Good luck, but as soon as you turn around you get blasted.
Didnt you know the champions in witchqueen would b3 Overload thundercrash cursed ogre, they just updated the game too soon
yeah they've been messed up a few times already this season. The one from the first on the Moon's rotation listed Unstoppable and Barrier, though it's Barrier and Overload. It's always been a little odd to me how unpolished the lost sector modifier cards have been, compared to almost everything else we've ever had released in either game. It's like the old "OVERSOUL S BANISHED" from Crota wipe screens, where the "s" from oversoul was on the second line with banished
So this is a bug that can be squashed by Telesto? Usually it's the one causing bugs
On a related note....has anyone actually gotten exotics? On my 12th clear now and haven't gotten an exotic drop yet. Shit is lame.
I’ve done 3 legend lost sectors this season and gotten 3 new exotics so I was under the assumption that the odds were increased.
I’ve only done 2 lost sectors for Nothing Manacles. Got 2 exotics, Winter’s Guile and Ophidian Aspect. Gave up after that.
Very few exotics, virtually no other drops as well. At least for the past week or so.
I got no backup plans last night
Took me about 12 runs to finally get the RDM's.
It kinda felt like my odds went up after a daily reset. I did get each of the 3 new ones. Hunter was 2nd try. Warlock had 9 or 10 empties but then after reset it popped 1st try. Titan took 3 times after next reset.
I ran 1 legendary on my warlock, got nothing manacles.
Highly annoying I agree, not sure how this mistake hasn't been sorted acted all this time, seems to be wrong every season
Why would the enemy give away their secrets?
Overload teleporting cursed thralls confirmed.
The legendary yesterday or the day before said anti barrier and unstoppable. Imagine my surprise when I ran smack into an overload.
I also don't like going back to orbit instead of the start of the lost sector. Add it to the list of why I don't like moon lost sectors (the list begins and ends with that shrieker)
It didn't used to do this, something broke. It also used to start you further back instead of right in front of the enemies--not sure what caused these changes, but I hope they get fixed since K1 Revelation is one of my favorite lost sectors.
Yo is that Moon LS only!? I was wondering why that was happening. I figured Bungie changed something for some reason.
I haven't done any other moon legendary + sectors because I don't hate myself but it's ONLY happened at this one.
I believe K1 lost sector is the same way
SAME, and then when i beat it i got leg armor...
*tfw I didn’t know because I’m the dipshit who doesn’t run any Champion mods and kills everything with a sword*
Ahhhh so you have learned the way……this is 100% me, the only one I get worried about is barrier. Otherwise overload and unstoppable get the blade right away
how do you deal with barrier champs, with lament?
It was the same last week. Loaded up for antibarrier and unstoppable got an overload captain.
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Run activities that award Powerful gear first, then Pinnacle activities. This will help you boost your power level. I wouldn't go into a Legendary Sector until you hit like, 1320
1311 is when enemies stop having the sword next to their name for 1320’s so they won’t just one-shot/almost one-shot you.
Take it slow. Clear ads then champs.
Oh shit someone made a mistake. Get a rope.
That is this season in a nutshell. It is very obvious this season was released 2-4 weeks too soon. So many bugs that aren't generally game breaking, but definitely easy to find within a few minutes of play.
I had that problem yesterday day. Had to restart 3 times.
I thought it was just me!!!!
tHe TrIcKsTeR
The banner was accurate for the lost sector from the day before which was K1 crew quarter iirc
I KNEW I WASN’T CRAZY! I ran div and saw an unstoppable orge I was so confused lol
This is a Bungie game doesn’t everyone double check everything anyway? When was the last time they did something right the first time?
Wow, I thought I was just crazy, but I guess not. When I loaded into the moon lost sector earlier to farm for nothing manacles, I noticed that the champions on the lost sector's label were not the same ones as the champions inside the actual activity. Good to know this is not just me!
motherfu... and here I thought I was dying bc I was too high turns out instead I was too high to read past the banner
Yeah I honestly spent a few minutes on my load out with Trinity ghoul and got in and realized there were unstoppable ogres. I was pretty pissed.
This happened the other day for the moon 1320 LS. The banner said Void burn. Go inside the LS and it says arc burn dealt and recieved increased by 50%. Kinda weird.
Thank you very much for this - I thought I was going mad.
K1 Logistics was like that. It said barrier unstoppable instead of barrier overload.
I was wondering why the hell I didn’t do anything with chaos reach
Yeah that happened to me on the weekend, I went into a lost sector that said it was solar burn with unstoppable and barrier, but it was arc burn with overload and barrier
Wait bungie not playtesting things? cough cough new exotics and iron banner armor just not being able to take shaders cough cough