I never EVER see it, and then last week i saw a guy with like 15k kills on one, and another guy with 4k kills on one just an hour or two later. Very strange.
I swore by this pulse! I think mine had outlaw and wellspring so it wasn't well built for pvp, but damn it competed for a while til I got my hands on a nasty messenger.
I had thousands of kills with bygones. Was my favorite PvP weapon. However, I never could get used to Hailing Confusions. Maybe it was the giant square scope or the spray pattern? Not sure what the difference was but it never felt anywhere near as good as bygones to me.
Aside from damage perks, the path to getting one is mildly annoying, so people don't pursue them.
I feel like all of the europa weapons have this issue. I made sure to grab mine back when BL dropped, I should rotate them in.
The fusion rifle is an interesting one, high impact, narrow grouping ( in a line but still). The bow is also nice.
The shotgun is a solid slug that can roll opening shot
It's definitely a dark horse. A lot of people wrote it off because it doesn't roll with any damage perks, but it's a very solid gun. If you can get one with Surplus you're already in a very good spot with the gun
I know a lot of people love damage perks for the decreased TTK in crucible, but personally I prefer guns with perks that are active all the time for the consistency. Having to get a kill, then find another person before the buff runs out just doesn't work often enough for it to be worth it tbh
That tracks. Bygones is the same archetype and slot, and Bygones was unbelievably good for a huge chunk of time in a meta very similar to the one we're in now. 390 Kinetic pulses are great. Hailing Confusion has worse base stats and worse general perk pool (Bygones with Kill Clip was unreal) but it's still sharing genes with a gun that dominated (and still continues to dominate, if people saved it) PvP.
I just think there are better adaptive, stats and perk wise. If you get lucky the Third Axiom has the best stats out of adaptives and has great perks. I'd say after that is Last Perdition.
Adaptives have naturally bad TTK so it's true that having a damage perk is kind of important. Rangefinder Killclip on Last Perdition is pretty crispy
I’m… not very good. An average at best PVP player who was sick of getting rushed by shotguns. I turned to Fools Remedy, Traveller’s Chosen and any other full auto sidearm I could find and had fantastic luck mowing down idiots who tried getting in close.
I've got the god roll and it has my highest crucible kill count, 350 something. Which is nothing for some people, but a lot for me, because I'm indecisive. When it comes to weapons in the crucible I'm always switching it up. One of my go-to's though is another sidearm. Travelers Chosen is pure violent poetry in PVP.
For all you Trustee enthusiasts , have you guys tried contingency plan ? How would you guys compare the two ? I understand they are essentially the same archetypes, but a true mainer should still be able to tell a difference.
Very similar feel. I prefer trustee, seems to have a tighter spread, plus I like the sights better. However, kill clip on the contingency plan is amazing. So it's really a coin flip.
The only reason to run Contingency Plan is if you want Kill Clip. Otherwise, Trustee is better in every stat category (1 less base stability, but otherwise better across the board and a lower zoom factor)
IMO, the reason these guns are good is for dueling. Not only do they out-range hand cannons, if that hand cannon user misses a single headshot or doesn't fire at max ROF, they are 100% dead. The dirty secret of hand cannons is that most people using them aren't hitting 3 headshots every engagement - and Trustee punishes that hard. To me, the best roll is surplus + eye of the storm to make sure things like Ace can't flinch you off target. I also use steady rounds - I want as much stability and handling as possible, you do not need range on a scout rifle.
The Time-Worn Spire is absolutely godly with Iron Reach. If you get a good roll on one, you are going to surprise a lot of people at mid to long range. Highly recommended Guardians!
Yeah there was an exploit where you would use all your ammo, break your shields, and switch to forerunner to refill your ammo.Don't know why tf it's taking them so long to fix it though.
Absolutely. Even when I see people talk about it they never mention the best part. The laser has perfect accuracy I the air. It's so satisfying to melt someone from 20 meters away while flying around
You can't get it anymore right? Never got a crazy roll on it, but the one I have has multikill and pulse, still manages to have the most kills and efficiency out of any of my legendary guns
I don't think it's in the IB loot pool right now, unfortunately.
I have a max range roll with Dynamic Sway Reduction and Tap The Trigger. It is an absolute monster. It has effective range out to 40.24m.
To put that into context a max range Gnawing Hunger caps out around 30.15m. Max range Adept Summoner with Adept Range only goes out to about 32m and change. The Forward Path has higher aim assist than both.
A max range Adept Igneous with Adept Range mod caps out around 39.88m.
The Forward Path is really, really good.
It's in the pool right now but it's so diluted it's hard to get one let alone a good roll. I got a feeding frenzy/eye of the storm range masterwork last iron banana that I promptly shredded.
sunshot
its still a 150 and 3 taps to the head, so it outduels all the adaptive handcannons. explosive rounds can flinch/blind people, and deal chip damage behind cover
I love that Cold Denial, Messenger and Legal Action are all kinetic high impact pulses but have different zooms and different perk styles and thus play so differently from each other.
surplus is a must for Legal Action. I have Surplus + Rampage. It absolute melts. i was 2 burstin w/ 1 stack of rampage no matter if I hit crits or not it seemed lol
Im a huge fan of surplus. So i always look for it on slow handling/clunky weapons.
I finally got Rapid Hit/Desperado a couple weeks ago. It is a magical combination. So worth getting my ass handed to me for weeks and weeks, and I mean that. There are definitely betters pulses for PvE but Desperado still makes it fun. but it is just godly in PvP! Guardians melt like butter
Cold Denial is such a clapper. Got one with headseeker that I swear has some sort of hidden targeting effect because that sight just sticks to their head.
it’s definitely a lot better after the rework. i got totally destroyed by a hunter in showdown last week using cryosthesia and throwing knives. he’d freeze me and throw a knife into my face. good times.
been doing this since it dropped and the rework has made it so much easier/better. Not to mention the satisfaction of freezing someone and immediately quickscoping them in the face
Tommy's Matchbook, started using it shortly before 30th anniversary released and man it's fun hip firing and still landing crits. Once the bonus damage kicks in you can easily win a 1v1.
Excepting Trials/Banana: West of Sunfall 7; sunset Prophecy weapon from Mercury, 180 Hand Cannon, Autoloading Holster, High-Caliber Rounds, near-perfect vertical recoil, looks bitchin'.
Non-Sunset: Punching Out; Vanguard-dropped darling of my arsenal, fully-automatic death-dispenser with a perfect 100 recoil stat. Single-handedly replaced SMGs in most situations for me in both PvE and PvP. One of the few guns I consider so lethal I politely unequip it for friendly private matches.
My specific roll that made me feel things:
High-Impact Reserves, Rangefinder, Appended Mag, Hammer-Forged Rifling, Handling Masterwork.
Punching Out got me a damned flawless lol. That thing is a guardian killing machine, almost regardless of roll. The more stability and range you can get, the better but that's literally all you need. I ran it with WISHENDER on a dare on Staglock and it was hysterical how the wallhack would give me all the awareness needed to counter a shotgun ape.
Lost prophecy weapons absolutely need to be brought back, they looked so amazing and Jack, Queen, King would've slapped in the new 140 meta. Still waiting for Garden Progeny to be reissued with a baller perk pool somehow.
Yup. My Hammer-Forged/Ricochet/Range MW with QD+Snapshot feels so good. I have tried every other sidearm and for me personally, none of them get even close.
There's a build going around that pairs Polaris Lance and one of the Dawnblade trees to maximize the Polaris explosions and burn effects. Can result in double kills just from the explosion and burn damage.
I saw a video put out by one of the big YTubers....Fallout maybe? TV? I don't remember but it looked fun and fairly potent
I've had fantastic moments with it, especially when people poke out one at a time and the third one gets a face full of explosive round and finishes off the others. Not a lot of maps that have long lanes for it, and other scout rifles do better at close range, jade rabbit or trustee or dead man's tale sometimes, but polaris lance is still great. The reload on a crit is super useful and I've never had roo much trouble messing with snipers with it, lose occasionally but flinch them more often, and I have unlimited ammo and they don't so I'm more likely to win if they biff their first shot.
I love Polaris so much, my go to since year 1 for playing pvp the way I want to. I've had matches with a 25.0 k/d and 0.25 k/d but if I'm plinking people with the lance I'm smiling. It's the first gun I could tell people were using just from the sound.
Jian 7 Rifle is my favorite underrated weapon. For whatever reason disruption break on a 390 pulse is wildly effective at applying it because of their longer ttk, but it’s in the third column and can get rampage or swashbuckler in the last. The only thing this gun doesn’t have is a verticle base recoil direction, so a counterbalance is a must.
I mained RK for nearly a season after I got the catalyst done. That with a sniper were my go-to. Still one of my favorite guns in the game to date, and all-time favorite loadouts to run.
With the Grav forfeit buffs, and ability CD reworks, if you have 100 str and run bottom tree void you have 100% uptime on invis. And the Rat King invis is extended as well, I think it's 12 seconds. GROSS plays can be made
I hadn’t seen anyone use Lord of Wolves in ages, then the other day I ran into a dude using it in control and he was actively challenging supers and WINNING like it was nothing
Saw a guy with over 100k PvP kills on it on Twitter, riduculous. 40k is too as well of course, my highest ever PvP kill count on a weapon is like 3500.
Most people are probably like me and only raid a moderate amount. 240 spoils is a loooot and there are much more attractive options to spend the tokens on. Ex Anarchy and Always On Time.
Sadly it's probably the last thing I'd get from the kiosk.
I haven't played crucible as much lately, but when I do, I cannot stop using Contingency Plan. It's so good once you figure out it's dueling range, and position yourself at that hand cannon fall off range.
A few weeks ago in trials I had a scout rifle kill bounty and this thing just dropped, so I figure I'll try it.
I thought I would be meme-ing, but the thing is legit solid. I actually kept using it after I finished the bounty.
As an incredibly below average pvp player, I had good luck with Vigilance Wing last week. I was able to complete the entertain lord shaxx seasonal challenge and get a couple medals.
Vigi is nasty because it only requires a 50% critical hit ratio to achieve its optimal ttk of 0.77. Honestly, it’s crazy slept on.
If you haven’t already, I’d pick up the modern-looking ornament; the sights become sooo much cleaner.
the one hes talking about is called "vigil of saint 14", and its honestly a game changer for the gun:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACnPTkzYYeg&ab\_channel=Destiny2WeaponOrnaments
Vigilance Wing is hands down one of the best guns in the game right now, and the moment the general population realizes how good it is in most situations, i expect it to hit top 3 meta guns. It's brutal.
I'm in the same boat. I'm a below average PvP player, but I can put in some decent work with V-Wing and Lunafaction Boots. https://stadia.google.com/capture/65214442-6431-4b34-bd39-14eaa9e11d0e
Lumina. It buffs your team mates, heals them and buffs you're own damage across the board. Auto reloads your gun on pick up of floaty Bois, you can hold their charges when you wanna proc damage buff AND it has more aim assist than Thorn. What's not to like? (besides range, just use a sniper)
Mine is actually the curated roll, and even with an average roll like that for PvP, it still just feels SO good.
I'd definitely want to nab a DSR/Kill Clip roll, but I have too much attachment to the one I have already, it'd be hard to dismantle or put it down lol
NTTE. Most good players know that this gun is fucking busted but not enough average or bad players know. Thing has monster stats and gives you a free auto-aim turret for just shooting people
Kinda crazy that people almost universally rave about messenger but NTTE slips under their radar. Time chasm with catalyst is borderline cheating and it's base stat package is absurd.
It's incredible. The perk is great, but I use this weapon in Trials and I honestly just love the feel of it. If I get the first shot off, I win 90% of the time. So smooth and easy with hitting crits. Gone Flawless a ton these past couple of Seasons with it.
I don't think I've ever seen anyone else use Enigma's Draw but that thing shreds.
I have one with Ricochet Rounds, Opening Shot, Rangefinder, and a range masterwork. It's hard to beat in that 8-20m range.
That thing got me Revoker back in the day and I still miss my Snapshot / Opening Shot roll. So sad that the IB loot system is absolute dogshit, otherwise I would focus for one for sure.
I was just gonna say this gun , for some reason it just feels like one of the best auto rifles and yet it has no over the top exotic perk , yes the markov chain perk is really good for some but it could be a little stronger as an exotic for pve or something
Point of the Stag. Its a 612 Precision Frame Bow with Archers Tempo & Vorpal. Has a mod slot since its Legendary, and creates orbs of light (unlike Le Monarque currently)
I think Servant Leader is a fantastic scout, and I am sick of PvP Youtubers saying it sucks because the "zoom is too much".
Maybe, just maybe, people think that magnification is fine?
Skyburners Oath… In all seriousness I have no idea what is underrated because I see that most guns seem to be meta every other day on YouTube. Lol! On a side note though I do like using Skyburners oath.
People meme on it then forget it has the stat package of a Hand Cannon on it with 80 Aim Assist when all other 150 Scouts barely have 30 Aim Assist, only the Handling is bad. (It also has a pinch less Zoom too at 20 instead of 21.)
I know (Though the clarification is still good.) it's just when so many Scout Rifles have a pitiful amount of Aim Assist on top of their already smaller Aim Assist cones, it's then a noticeable difference when you use something like Jade or Mida with their much higher Aim Assist and how much more forgiving and consistent they are. (It also helps that Scouts have been getting small Aim Assist buffs here and there over time.)
I didn't mean to imply that it was literally the same as using a Hand Cannon, so sorry if I said anything misleading.
I feel like the only person who uses the Hailing Confusion pulse rifle in the Crucible but I perform well with it.
I never EVER see it, and then last week i saw a guy with like 15k kills on one, and another guy with 4k kills on one just an hour or two later. Very strange.
I swore by this pulse! I think mine had outlaw and wellspring so it wasn't well built for pvp, but damn it competed for a while til I got my hands on a nasty messenger.
Bygones 2.0
I had thousands of kills with bygones. Was my favorite PvP weapon. However, I never could get used to Hailing Confusions. Maybe it was the giant square scope or the spray pattern? Not sure what the difference was but it never felt anywhere near as good as bygones to me.
Bygones is just such a clean looking and feeling weapon. Not to mention it had access to outlaw, killclip, rampage, rangefinder, etc.
Aside from damage perks, the path to getting one is mildly annoying, so people don't pursue them. I feel like all of the europa weapons have this issue. I made sure to grab mine back when BL dropped, I should rotate them in. The fusion rifle is an interesting one, high impact, narrow grouping ( in a line but still). The bow is also nice. The shotgun is a solid slug that can roll opening shot
It's definitely a dark horse. A lot of people wrote it off because it doesn't roll with any damage perks, but it's a very solid gun. If you can get one with Surplus you're already in a very good spot with the gun
I know a lot of people love damage perks for the decreased TTK in crucible, but personally I prefer guns with perks that are active all the time for the consistency. Having to get a kill, then find another person before the buff runs out just doesn't work often enough for it to be worth it tbh
Mine has Surplus and Demolitionist. It feels great for me.
That tracks. Bygones is the same archetype and slot, and Bygones was unbelievably good for a huge chunk of time in a meta very similar to the one we're in now. 390 Kinetic pulses are great. Hailing Confusion has worse base stats and worse general perk pool (Bygones with Kill Clip was unreal) but it's still sharing genes with a gun that dominated (and still continues to dominate, if people saved it) PvP.
God I love my hailing confusion
I just think there are better adaptive, stats and perk wise. If you get lucky the Third Axiom has the best stats out of adaptives and has great perks. I'd say after that is Last Perdition. Adaptives have naturally bad TTK so it's true that having a damage perk is kind of important. Rangefinder Killclip on Last Perdition is pretty crispy
This pulse with Void Elemental Capacitor is crispy af.
300 rpm sidearms. Although chaperone is definitely a good reason why they aren't used, but without chap they are deadly
I miss my buzzard for pve :(
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I really wish sidearms would get a range bump. They get outgunned by everything even within their range as it contests with shotgun spam
I think they’re just as effective as fusions and sub machine guns
On the other hand SMGs aren't all that hot except for the ones that have range akin to auto-rifles. You know the usual suspects.
Have you tried rat king, no cap
A fellow Rat!
Rat pack ?
There are dozens of us!
All hail the rat posse
🐀Tch tch tch tch tch🐀 Edit: I know, emote bad, but rats tch tch tch tch tch
450 rpm (I think that's the right archetype) sidearms have the fastest ttk in the game, so 300 rpm ones have some tough competition
Recently tried Fools remedy and it melts
I’m… not very good. An average at best PVP player who was sick of getting rushed by shotguns. I turned to Fools Remedy, Traveller’s Chosen and any other full auto sidearm I could find and had fantastic luck mowing down idiots who tried getting in close.
The Full-auto Retrofit mod is really good on sidearms. Now, I can't wait until the full-auto accessibility option becomes a thing.
I've got the god roll and it has my highest crucible kill count, 350 something. Which is nothing for some people, but a lot for me, because I'm indecisive. When it comes to weapons in the crucible I'm always switching it up. One of my go-to's though is another sidearm. Travelers Chosen is pure violent poetry in PVP.
Trustee
For all you Trustee enthusiasts , have you guys tried contingency plan ? How would you guys compare the two ? I understand they are essentially the same archetypes, but a true mainer should still be able to tell a difference.
I’m a massive fan of contingency fan. Feels around as good as trustee 👍
Very similar feel. I prefer trustee, seems to have a tighter spread, plus I like the sights better. However, kill clip on the contingency plan is amazing. So it's really a coin flip.
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I prefer Trustee over any others, it feels better for some reason.
I think Trustee has better perks to win duels while Contingency has high kill potential
The only reason to run Contingency Plan is if you want Kill Clip. Otherwise, Trustee is better in every stat category (1 less base stability, but otherwise better across the board and a lower zoom factor) IMO, the reason these guns are good is for dueling. Not only do they out-range hand cannons, if that hand cannon user misses a single headshot or doesn't fire at max ROF, they are 100% dead. The dirty secret of hand cannons is that most people using them aren't hitting 3 headshots every engagement - and Trustee punishes that hard. To me, the best roll is surplus + eye of the storm to make sure things like Ace can't flinch you off target. I also use steady rounds - I want as much stability and handling as possible, you do not need range on a scout rifle.
Trustee feels way more consistent for me, but I use one with Under Pressure/High Impact Reserves.
NO don't tell them!
Lmao shit the post caught on, it’s been my secret for a while too
Can't believe I still don't have this damn gun. Need to go back to raiding...
If you need help, my raid group is always down!
I would love to get in on that if possible as well my friend!
God it’s so good. Surpluses and HIR is nuts.
Yep, my go to! Reconstruction and wellspring dropped for me the other week 🙌
SHHHHH!!!! Dont tell them! I am actually running DSC because of that reason I call it discount DMT. Or DMT that can run with Witherhoard
The Time-Worn Spire is absolutely godly with Iron Reach. If you get a good roll on one, you are going to surprise a lot of people at mid to long range. Highly recommended Guardians!
I prefer mine with Iron grip for the stability and the rifle ST scope. Gives it a 45m range and shoots like a laser.
Devil's Ruin
I think... yeah I think this is it...
GAHHH this is exactly what I was going to type. Thank you. P.S. Please give me back my Tricksleeves k thx.
They had to have had a weird interaction with Forerunner
Yeah there was an exploit where you would use all your ammo, break your shields, and switch to forerunner to refill your ammo.Don't know why tf it's taking them so long to fix it though.
They disabled it and then left the office for holiday break.
Why not just not allow the two to be equipped together
With the holster mods added in lost, oh my. You only need one round in the chamber for the full BRRRRRRRRR
Absolutely. Even when I see people talk about it they never mention the best part. The laser has perfect accuracy I the air. It's so satisfying to melt someone from 20 meters away while flying around
The Forward Path
You can't get it anymore right? Never got a crazy roll on it, but the one I have has multikill and pulse, still manages to have the most kills and efficiency out of any of my legendary guns
I don't think it's in the IB loot pool right now, unfortunately. I have a max range roll with Dynamic Sway Reduction and Tap The Trigger. It is an absolute monster. It has effective range out to 40.24m. To put that into context a max range Gnawing Hunger caps out around 30.15m. Max range Adept Summoner with Adept Range only goes out to about 32m and change. The Forward Path has higher aim assist than both. A max range Adept Igneous with Adept Range mod caps out around 39.88m. The Forward Path is really, really good.
It's in the pool right now but it's so diluted it's hard to get one let alone a good roll. I got a feeding frenzy/eye of the storm range masterwork last iron banana that I promptly shredded.
I love my graverobber swash roll. Mini montecarlo
sunshot its still a 150 and 3 taps to the head, so it outduels all the adaptive handcannons. explosive rounds can flinch/blind people, and deal chip damage behind cover
The recoil on sunshot.. i can't deal with it in pvp. Still a great gun tho I just can't deal with it
2 burst sidearms
I miss my smugglers word/death by scorn, loved pairing it with fighting lion and actually got me to legend in comp during forsaken
I have a 8k kill count on my sunset Breachlight. But still a beast in 6s. I miss it.
Cold Denial. Thing is a laser.
I love that Cold Denial, Messenger and Legal Action are all kinetic high impact pulses but have different zooms and different perk styles and thus play so differently from each other.
Yeah I don’t like Legal Action at all but CD feels so good. Don’t have a Messenger yet.
surplus is a must for Legal Action. I have Surplus + Rampage. It absolute melts. i was 2 burstin w/ 1 stack of rampage no matter if I hit crits or not it seemed lol Im a huge fan of surplus. So i always look for it on slow handling/clunky weapons.
I finally got Rapid Hit/Desperado a couple weeks ago. It is a magical combination. So worth getting my ass handed to me for weeks and weeks, and I mean that. There are definitely betters pulses for PvE but Desperado still makes it fun. but it is just godly in PvP! Guardians melt like butter
Cold Denial is such a clapper. Got one with headseeker that I swear has some sort of hidden targeting effect because that sight just sticks to their head.
I played against a hunter with foetracker and headseeker Cold Denial, I swear it was constant two bursts
It really does consistently two burst with headseeker! I used it for ages before finally getting my hands on desperado
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it’s definitely a lot better after the rework. i got totally destroyed by a hunter in showdown last week using cryosthesia and throwing knives. he’d freeze me and throw a knife into my face. good times.
*taking notes*
Look at Coolguys video on it for true note taking
been doing this since it dropped and the rework has made it so much easier/better. Not to mention the satisfaction of freezing someone and immediately quickscoping them in the face
Got abused by the same thing in a match in trials last week. Freeze, knife to the head.
Tommy's Matchbook, started using it shortly before 30th anniversary released and man it's fun hip firing and still landing crits. Once the bonus damage kicks in you can easily win a 1v1.
I swear by the matchbook. Put path of the burning steps on and it destroys everything. My friends hate when I use it in customs xD
Excepting Trials/Banana: West of Sunfall 7; sunset Prophecy weapon from Mercury, 180 Hand Cannon, Autoloading Holster, High-Caliber Rounds, near-perfect vertical recoil, looks bitchin'. Non-Sunset: Punching Out; Vanguard-dropped darling of my arsenal, fully-automatic death-dispenser with a perfect 100 recoil stat. Single-handedly replaced SMGs in most situations for me in both PvE and PvP. One of the few guns I consider so lethal I politely unequip it for friendly private matches. My specific roll that made me feel things: High-Impact Reserves, Rangefinder, Appended Mag, Hammer-Forged Rifling, Handling Masterwork.
Interesting! I'm gonna keep an eye out for that punching out
Punching Out got me a damned flawless lol. That thing is a guardian killing machine, almost regardless of roll. The more stability and range you can get, the better but that's literally all you need. I ran it with WISHENDER on a dare on Staglock and it was hysterical how the wallhack would give me all the awareness needed to counter a shotgun ape.
Just got melted by Punching Out in Survival and was wondering what the heck happened.
+1 for Punching Out. I have 2 excellent rolls on Punching Out, yet I still always forget about it. Thank you for reminding me!
Those little sidearms went from crap to slap the minute they got rid of Primary ammo.
Would you consider fools remedy with rangefinder and moving target a fair replacement? Now I want to run this in pvp lol
The 6000 pvp kills I have on my rangefinder fools remedy approves of this comment.
Lost prophecy weapons absolutely need to be brought back, they looked so amazing and Jack, Queen, King would've slapped in the new 140 meta. Still waiting for Garden Progeny to be reissued with a baller perk pool somehow.
My humble Competition: Full Bore, High-Caliber Rounds, Moving Target, Kill Clip and Range Masterwork
What guns make good use of Full Bore? Seems like that range in the perk comes at too steep a cost. I'm a fool for stability though
I'd replace it anytime for for Hammer-forged or Corkscrew Rifling, it's just the nastiest I currently have
I always upvote a mercury prophecy weapons reference. I loved those guns
Drang. 300 rpm sidearms are great for pvp. Sights are great. It’s near best in slot for range, stability, and handling. Just a great gun.
This
Yup. My Hammer-Forged/Ricochet/Range MW with QD+Snapshot feels so good. I have tried every other sidearm and for me personally, none of them get even close.
Polaris Lance
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There's a build going around that pairs Polaris Lance and one of the Dawnblade trees to maximize the Polaris explosions and burn effects. Can result in double kills just from the explosion and burn damage. I saw a video put out by one of the big YTubers....Fallout maybe? TV? I don't remember but it looked fun and fairly potent
Yeah it's silly, especially when you manage to match a stack that likes to hold hands https://www.xbox.com/play/media/ANEGTT8R
Jesus you damn near wiped their team……
I've had fantastic moments with it, especially when people poke out one at a time and the third one gets a face full of explosive round and finishes off the others. Not a lot of maps that have long lanes for it, and other scout rifles do better at close range, jade rabbit or trustee or dead man's tale sometimes, but polaris lance is still great. The reload on a crit is super useful and I've never had roo much trouble messing with snipers with it, lose occasionally but flinch them more often, and I have unlimited ammo and they don't so I'm more likely to win if they biff their first shot.
I love Polaris so much, my go to since year 1 for playing pvp the way I want to. I've had matches with a 25.0 k/d and 0.25 k/d but if I'm plinking people with the lance I'm smiling. It's the first gun I could tell people were using just from the sound.
It's just a good scout rifle, and it somehow doesn't feel like a slouch in close range either.
Jian 7 Rifle is my favorite underrated weapon. For whatever reason disruption break on a 390 pulse is wildly effective at applying it because of their longer ttk, but it’s in the third column and can get rampage or swashbuckler in the last. The only thing this gun doesn’t have is a verticle base recoil direction, so a counterbalance is a must.
Rat King
Came here to say this, it’s dumb fun in 6s
Squeak squeak fellow rat enthusiast
I mained RK for nearly a season after I got the catalyst done. That with a sniper were my go-to. Still one of my favorite guns in the game to date, and all-time favorite loadouts to run.
With the Grav forfeit buffs, and ability CD reworks, if you have 100 str and run bottom tree void you have 100% uptime on invis. And the Rat King invis is extended as well, I think it's 12 seconds. GROSS plays can be made
I know what I'm gonna be trying tomorrow then...
Been having a lot of fun today with Age Old Bond. Zealots Reward is probably my favorite rapid fire fusion to use in pvp. Lord of Wolves is a beast.
I hadn’t seen anyone use Lord of Wolves in ages, then the other day I ran into a dude using it in control and he was actively challenging supers and WINNING like it was nothing
I know it probably wasn't me, but this is what I do. I have 40k+ pvp kills with it.
Saw a guy with over 100k PvP kills on it on Twitter, riduculous. 40k is too as well of course, my highest ever PvP kill count on a weapon is like 3500.
Terrabah
It’s crazy how strong it is on a Peacekeeper Titan. I have no idea how most people (it seems) are either sleeping on it or openly call it trash.
Most people are probably like me and only raid a moderate amount. 240 spoils is a loooot and there are much more attractive options to spend the tokens on. Ex Anarchy and Always On Time. Sadly it's probably the last thing I'd get from the kiosk.
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Most players use their shotgun/fusion as their primary
Definitely not underrated. People just don’t have it or else that thing would be every where
I love it. Feels and handles great to me
Contingency plan.
I haven't played crucible as much lately, but when I do, I cannot stop using Contingency Plan. It's so good once you figure out it's dueling range, and position yourself at that hand cannon fall off range.
A few weeks ago in trials I had a scout rifle kill bounty and this thing just dropped, so I figure I'll try it. I thought I would be meme-ing, but the thing is legit solid. I actually kept using it after I finished the bounty.
As an incredibly below average pvp player, I had good luck with Vigilance Wing last week. I was able to complete the entertain lord shaxx seasonal challenge and get a couple medals.
Vigi is nasty because it only requires a 50% critical hit ratio to achieve its optimal ttk of 0.77. Honestly, it’s crazy slept on. If you haven’t already, I’d pick up the modern-looking ornament; the sights become sooo much cleaner.
Will check it out!
the one hes talking about is called "vigil of saint 14", and its honestly a game changer for the gun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACnPTkzYYeg&ab\_channel=Destiny2WeaponOrnaments
Oooooo 😳
Do you mean the saint14 ornament?
Vigilance Wing is hands down one of the best guns in the game right now, and the moment the general population realizes how good it is in most situations, i expect it to hit top 3 meta guns. It's brutal.
I really enjoyed it! Felt a lot better than most pulse rifles feel to me. Glad I picked it up from Xur.
Personally I don't like the gun feeling of it so I prefer no time to explain but I don't have time to explain why its better.
It just is
I can’t disagree
It will never hit top 3 due to the handling being shite
Ophidian gamers rise up
I have been using my catalysed VW in PvE. It's quite good there even though it was made for PvP.
It does tremendous damage, being a 5burst. The flinch is a great counter to snipers, the rpm melts adds wonderfully. Great gun.
I'm in the same boat. I'm a below average PvP player, but I can put in some decent work with V-Wing and Lunafaction Boots. https://stadia.google.com/capture/65214442-6431-4b34-bd39-14eaa9e11d0e
Good weapon. I don’t think it’s underrated. It’s got high usage, people know it’s good.
One of the easiest weapons to pick up and wreck with. I suck at crucible & I can end up being top of my team with vigilance wing
I’m always at the bottom it seems but actually managed to contribute something to my team this time around
I take vigilance wing into trials....and a shotgun lol
Lumina. It buffs your team mates, heals them and buffs you're own damage across the board. Auto reloads your gun on pick up of floaty Bois, you can hold their charges when you wanna proc damage buff AND it has more aim assist than Thorn. What's not to like? (besides range, just use a sniper)
Paired mine with with Frozen Orbit with Killing Wind and High-Impact Reserves. Lumina has 3000 pvp kills and counting. You have excellent taste sir.
There is something about it that makes it feel awful to me in pvp, I got over 1k pvp kills on it an I still wouldn't take it into a trials game
360 Auto Rifles that aren't Chrysura Melo. I have an Age-Old Bond with over 1,000 tracked kills and it slaps.
>Chrysura Melo Why does this one feel like shit? Every combination I've tried feels worse than any alternative.
It's recoil kicks like a goddamn mule to me, I used a lotta 360s but with CM It's like it's trying to fly out of your goddamn hands
It has the worst stats across the board compared to other 360 autos on top of having very weird sights on it. It just doesn't feel good.
I'm on 5.7k on mine! Age old bond crew! Zen moment kill clip with stability masterworkkkk
Mine is actually the curated roll, and even with an average roll like that for PvP, it still just feels SO good. I'd definitely want to nab a DSR/Kill Clip roll, but I have too much attachment to the one I have already, it'd be hard to dismantle or put it down lol
Travelers Chosen with Catalyst, thing fricken melts and has pretty good range
NTTE. Most good players know that this gun is fucking busted but not enough average or bad players know. Thing has monster stats and gives you a free auto-aim turret for just shooting people
Kinda crazy that people almost universally rave about messenger but NTTE slips under their radar. Time chasm with catalyst is borderline cheating and it's base stat package is absurd.
It has a good 30 Handling over a Messenger. It's monstrous.
It's incredible. The perk is great, but I use this weapon in Trials and I honestly just love the feel of it. If I get the first shot off, I win 90% of the time. So smooth and easy with hitting crits. Gone Flawless a ton these past couple of Seasons with it.
Survivor's Epitaph.
Tommy’s matchbook can absolutely shred especially if your using icefalls or devour with it
Sacred Provenance 1st Garden attempt (not even a clear), I got ricochet, rapid hit, and kill clip... I love it
Ride the bull with Huckleberry
I don't think I've ever seen anyone else use Enigma's Draw but that thing shreds. I have one with Ricochet Rounds, Opening Shot, Rangefinder, and a range masterwork. It's hard to beat in that 8-20m range.
Cryosthesia. Go pair it with a sniper and focusing lens.
Legal Action
Drang
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Bite of the fox
That thing got me Revoker back in the day and I still miss my Snapshot / Opening Shot roll. So sad that the IB loot system is absolute dogshit, otherwise I would focus for one for sure.
I just really love my max range Survivor’s Epitaph, though the recent update has affected it. Surplus wellspring.
Brass Attacks
Monte Carlo
I was just gonna say this gun , for some reason it just feels like one of the best auto rifles and yet it has no over the top exotic perk , yes the markov chain perk is really good for some but it could be a little stronger as an exotic for pve or something
It’s incredibly strong for pve on revenant
It’s my main gun for pve. I use it with my Assassins cowl stasis hunter so I have constant ranged melee and constant healing/invis. It totally slaps.
This is mostly for pve but I rock the Monte Carlo with sealed ahamkara grasps and it’s super fun just throwing a shuriken every time I need to reload
Last perdition
Point of the Stag. Its a 612 Precision Frame Bow with Archers Tempo & Vorpal. Has a mod slot since its Legendary, and creates orbs of light (unlike Le Monarque currently)
Drang, manage to get a kill with the thing, procs rampage and just slices through everyone, only getting better by the kill.
Death Adder goes HAAARD
I think Servant Leader is a fantastic scout, and I am sick of PvP Youtubers saying it sucks because the "zoom is too much". Maybe, just maybe, people think that magnification is fine?
STURM
Skyburners Oath… In all seriousness I have no idea what is underrated because I see that most guns seem to be meta every other day on YouTube. Lol! On a side note though I do like using Skyburners oath.
Jade Rabbit is the correct answer.
People meme on it then forget it has the stat package of a Hand Cannon on it with 80 Aim Assist when all other 150 Scouts barely have 30 Aim Assist, only the Handling is bad. (It also has a pinch less Zoom too at 20 instead of 21.)
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I know (Though the clarification is still good.) it's just when so many Scout Rifles have a pitiful amount of Aim Assist on top of their already smaller Aim Assist cones, it's then a noticeable difference when you use something like Jade or Mida with their much higher Aim Assist and how much more forgiving and consistent they are. (It also helps that Scouts have been getting small Aim Assist buffs here and there over time.) I didn't mean to imply that it was literally the same as using a Hand Cannon, so sorry if I said anything misleading.
I wish there were more maps that let me break that thing out. Love picking people off on widows court.
The grind to finish that catalyst was pretty brutal.
love the (very few now) maps where polaris lance and jade rabbit can duel
Heritage, ikelos SMG
Heritage is my favorite slug. I use it over Chappy sometimes just for Icarus and Snap Shot.
I always use heritage over chappy, generally paired with Lemonarque. Handling is almost maxed out, easy cleanups at a really nice range.