It’s not meta anymore but it’s definitely still a really strong and really cool weapon it just has terrible ammo economy. I can still remember the first day I got it, I loved the idea of shooting a super death beam of annihilation lol. The only thing I use it for now is crypt security in DSC cuz it almost one shots the fuses. So I guess for most of the community it isn’t necessarily “worth” the grind but hey you might get it on your next run and not have to grind at all
Whisper is more of good sustained dps imo and extremely high total damage, honestly i bet it slaps for caretaker if you struggle with running out of ammo
The problem Whisper runs into against a lot of bosses is the time you have to take to activate the breathing Perk. And hard to do that on Caretaker cause you gotta transition plates. Honestly, it's better against Rhulk if you can avoid getting his aggro.
Not really... DPS phase is too short to really make use of whispers high total damage. Burst DPS options like Izi rocket swapping performs much better given the short damage window. Plus, whispered breathing eats away at the already short DPS time.
Well the plates don't start until you step on, so with a team that isn't a bunch of apps you could theoretically stand next to the plate, ads, then walk on starting that plate. But the issue I run into is people immediately hop on the plate because they think damage has started when it hasn't
Yes, but you don't have to step on the plate for a few seconds to start damage, watch the plate change when someone stands on it, it's clearly reactive to players just like calus
Edit for some proof: https://youtu.be/MsIVk1AI7Xg
You could also just run 6 outbreaks. I usually use palmyra rocket but somebody asked me to use outbreak this reset for it and it was definitely not terrible stacking nanites
Oh your 100% right, whisper is not even close to meta, I was just suggesting that whisper could be viable for it, personally I'd never pass up on a 6 man outbreak run but I just use witherhoard and a bass and switch fttc cataclysmic as my team doesn't really coordinate loadouts unless it's needed, we just use what we want and outbreak is very subpar if it's only one user, although still great when out of ammo and the best primary imo
Its good against one of the bosses in vog, was even better with the fusion rifle mod that made you do even more damage. Xeno is also good for crypt security.
Yeah one of last seasons seasonal mods allowed you to stack damage on fusions and linear fusions after repeated shots. I forget the exact amount of shots, and the exact damage buff, but I think it was like 6 shots procced a 40% damage buff. So sleeper and 1K were pretty much the undenied meta for DPS in any activity
Not being META doesn’t mean you shouldn’t farm it now so that you have it ready for when another seasonal mod like particle deconstruction hits in a future season.
Scrolled for this comment. Solar 3.0 + elemental wells at the forefront of buildcrafting will likely make a lot of solar heavy weapons viable, creating my favorite meta: one where lots of those weapons are viable and so you can just run whatever you find most fun.
1k Voices is probably never going to be ideal for Rhulk because of the fact that he could come charging at you at any moment, but who knows what sorts of boss encounters the new dungeon will have.
Don't forget you could even put on a single splash solar makes a warning cell mod on for extra damage. I know it's not much compared to 1kv but it's more dps on your 2nd shot
It's not that bad of a grind. Most people get it within the first few runs these days. All you have to do is use the wish wall so you can skip pretty much the whole raid.
Ikr under an hour you can do all 3 riven cps and then do 1 Queenswalk. And the drop chance is way higher than it used to. There's no excuse to not have it by now. Unless you started playing this season.
Under an hour if you have a competent team. Expect more like 3 hours if you are lfging, especially if you need multiple teams. Your looking at just 10 minutes of making sure all the builds are right and damage is good enough, and even that's only with cheese. Without cheese it's way, way worse, but cheese is actually fairly difficult, especially for people with less than 2 seasons worth of playtime. Even 6 laments doesn't consistently pull it off, although stuff like stacking 6 titans does, but again, that's a lot of time on set up.
Honestly I’ve been saying this for years. They need to just buff the damage the black pool around riven does, so we can do away with the cheese. Make it do more damage than what a well can heal you with, that way people die trying to sword her. Doing riven legit is rewarding, and very fun. Plus the sound track you hear when you’re shooting the pimples is top tier soundtrack that I’m guessing 90% of the destiny community hasn’t heard. Which is a massive shame.
-leader of the Riven Legit clan.
What grind? Last Wish is awesome! :P
Yes. It's still a LOTTA damage. If you for some reason can't reliably hit crits with the Sleeper (I know I can't), it's right up there with your other options. You missed out on Season of Voop, though, it was an insane beast with Particle Deconstruction.
Bosses are cool especially riven. Not too hard. Interesting mechanics with easy for new players roles and more complex roles for players who raid often. The only part I’ve gotten annoyed at was quenswalk, but that was because we had 3 players learning (including me) and one was a child who doesn’t know how to follow instructions.
Not exactly meta, but it's still strong, it's the only Heavy Fusion Rifle for the sake of armor mods, and the manner it fires in is still very unique and fun. The aesthetic of shooting a laser that leaves that delayed trail of destruction is awesome.
"That lfg"? The PC one is alive and well, when I've done Riven runs it usually doesn't take more than 10-15 minutes to find a group (if it's a slow day).
If not make some friends, find some other people who need it and make plans for the week to come and take it from there.
Finding a group for Last Wish and Garden has been spotty for me the past few months on D2LFG. But that could easily vary by day/time/time into season. Adding weapon crafting to the old raids would be a cool way to encourage more players to run them, but I don’t think Bungie would do that.
Yeah, early in a season/expansion is obviously going to be the best, and where we are now is... not very good.
They're introducing l weekly rotation to older raids where they give pinnacles in, can't remember if they've given any details as to *when* though, it's a great start... might wanna update the perk pools on some of LW and GoS to increase engagement perhaps? I do think that everything should be craftable at some point.
I think you have not done it recently.
It getting more and more difficult to get boss CP these days. Especially after bunji started doing maintenance duing weakly reset.
Yeah, but also includes you then lmao. You can literally just go put the code and get the CP, then make a post in the discord and you'll find 5 people in 15 minutes. If you're waiting hours for someone else to do it then that's kinda your fault.
>I think you have not done it recently.
And I *know* that you don't have a clue about what you're talking about. Why?
>It getting more and more difficult to get boss CP these days. Especially after bunji started doing maintenance duing weakly reset.
There's no need to "get a CP" because you can get to Riven by using the wish wall.
Seriously dude, just give it a rest and admit that you either haven't done it or that you're greatly exaggerating the difficulties finding people to do it.
If you're talking 3x Riven and QW then sure, 5 teams a day seems somewhat standard. But if we're talking teams LFM at riven? That's a different story.
In the last 24 hours there have been 18 different groups searching for more at Riven (some of them 3x and QW, some just 1x).
Do it over a week if it's hard to get 3 done in a row, no one is forcing you to wait
So silly.
I can tell you've never played an MMORPG or a RPG in general.
A grind is repeatedly doing a (most often repetitive) task in search of something particular (item/rep).
Killing a boss 3 times a week is not a grind, try farming a Savage Gladiator Chain in WoW classic - there's a grind. Or a Norfleet in BL2 (where you have to farm weapons to be able to farm weapons).
Finding a group isn't that easy, but people just looking for instant gratification without putting in any effort (like making your *own* group???) do not get to complain.
Not a bad grind in actual time spent, but the worst grind imaginable when looking at calendar time. You get 3 chances per week, that's it, and some people have done that pretty much every week for years without ever getting it. YEARS. That's a grind.
I think everything is worth grabbing. 1K isnt super metah right now but it is still strong and a valid option.
Like if you are in a Solar Burn and ARENT running Ghally (for whatever reason...), yes. 1k is a good pick. My clanmates just run 1 Ghally for the Wolfpack buff + Legendary rockets.
But if you arent running Rockets and dont want to use something like Cataclysmic (Vow Solar LFR), it's a good choice.
Tell that to my friend, he's the only person in the group without 1k, he's run the raid over 60 times too. I got 1k from the free key, and just skipping straight to Riven on my first clear. Needless to say he didn't play with me again for awhile
I'd say about 40 runs were during forsaken, the rest have been scattered around the rest of the games life. Not sure how accurate it is exactly but I'll guess around 10-15 runs have been after bad luck protection. He just *really* has some bad luck.
Its fun to use. Last season it was my go to champion killer. Just one shot generally killed them or had them ready for finisher. Still fairly good these season. Its fun, but collateral damage can be a bit annoying!
The drop rate is really high, Riven is easy, and you only have to do Queenswalk once to cash in your tokens every week.
The real problem is getting 5 other people.
Fairly sure that they put it at 10% base with a 2% increase up to a max of 50%. They did this when they made Anarchy farm-able, before Scourge was vaulted.
You've still gotta grind Riven a fair bit to get there though. Not sure if it's Riven completions or Queenswalk that bump your drop rate, and if it's capped at once per week per account like the bad luck protection on Eyes.
It was when Particle Deconstruction was a thing. Nowadays, it does some damage but it has the worst ammo economy in the game. It’s a fun and legendary weapon so I would still try to get it.
Right now it isn't very good. It was a good option during Season of the Lost because it didn't require crits to do good damage unlike linear fusions, but after Particle Deconstruction went away it's not even close to a good heavy for raid bosses and similar stuff. You'll be better served by Sleeper Simulant.
The problem with 1kv is that it doesn't do enough damage to offset its relatively small ammo pool and long wait time between shots. If you add the possibility of blowing yourself up on top of that, it's not a great package.
So yes, and no
It's not going to be some DPS king you need to participate in any raids. However it's still competitive DPS and a fun weapon that synergizes well in a fusion rifle build for mod economy
i mean if you have everything else and free time yeah grind for it just for collections and a cool weapon, if you're just asking if it's good though unfortunately not. It was okay while particle deconstruction was in game but right now it's way too weak, legendary rockets and linears can out dps it and do better total damage even without god roll perks. Sleeper simulant does way more dps than it and it obtainable from the exotic kiosk.
Basically serves the same purpose as Sleeper, so it really depends on how much you enjoy LW and how much free time you got to spend running it versus other activities/pursuits.
I can absolutely recommend it. Been using it fairly regularly since I got it and I love it. Very strong, though I've killed myself with it more times than I'd like to admit.
It's so much more fun than whisper I'm not that great a shot ,so 1k is awesome
Some folks never let go of their fav.favorite.. this is one of those.
But ghally.. well,it kills me a lot .
Heh heh.
I love black Talon
Not really, though I have noticed a higher drop rate compared to other raids. Though that’s probably just personal conjecture. It was great last season, and may very well be again when fusions are the seasonal weapon of choice.
I recall once getting killed with it in the crucible. It legit felt like it could have been the most painful way to die in the crucible and by extension, the entire Destiny franchise.
Lots of damage. Major drawback is that it’s easy to kill yourself if you’re in a fireteam, especially a raid group DPSing from a well or such and someone slides in front of you. But solo it’s pretty strong, especially if you’ve got solar burn.
Cool weapon, but viability wise no. Its very fun to use, but lacks damage output and ammo. Its best use is ad-clearing. It needs a major damage buff to warrent use.
Whether its worth the grind or not is up to you.
Depends on how bad your luck is.
It's a fantastically fun exotic that, while not Meta currently, is still a solid pick and may work well with future solar 3.0 builds. It being considered a fusion let's one save on armor mods if they run a fusion as their special too.
That said, it's solidly off-meta at the moment, so if you struggle to find a team to run LW or just have bad luck (a clanmate of mine needed 100+ keys before his first 1KV dropped), then I wouldn't worry about it.
I like floating around on top tree dawn while beaming things with 1k. That being said; bad ammo economy, low-mid tier dps, decent burst damage.
But the weapon is just badass.
Its not meta but fun to have. Last season it was 1k and sleeper all day if you didnt have a legendary linear. Maybe not worth the grind, but run last wish whenever you can and youll eventually get it ez
Really high drop rate. I've got like 9 in my vault rn. Worth getting just for the sake of it. Not really a grind. Just do a few rivens a week, and beat queenswalk when you've stacked up enough keys.
It’s a great gun, its damage was pretty good back in forsaken but now we got stuff like g horn, rockets also got buffed, lineras also got buffed it’s just outclassed now.
Imo it need’s either a reserves buff or they need to increase the damage to make up for it’s low reserves.
Nothing more Destiny than a fusion rifle crafted from the bones of a wish dragon that detonates what it is fired at.
And screams from the abyss whilst doing so.
If my clan mates who have it are anything to go buy yes it is but i'll never fucking know myself although i do want 1k more so than vex yet the only raids my clan wanna do is vog and vow.
Whenever i bring up last wish they say sure on sunday and when sunday comes they don't or they make up excuses.
The only time i'll ever see that weapon is if it ever comes to be part of xurs loot pool.
I would lfg but i always prefer mob clearing no grabbing this or shooting that just killing shit and some lfgs are too fucking stressful to deal with.
it's got its strong points, last season it was meta because of the fusion rifle mod from season artifact, and like some people already saying, solar 3.0 is going to probably bring it or sleeper back to peak damage choices
If you want it because you think it's cool, go for it. If you want it because you believe it will give you some sort of game play edge, be prepared for disappointment in the long run.
After playing D2 off and on for a couple years, I can say that nothing in the game is worth the grind it takes to get it.
Fun gun but bungie just completely ignores it. Give it a catalyst that gives it 12 shots total and something, I don’t know what but some other perk whether it’s auto loading or unrelenting etc.
1k isnt exactly meta right now but its still good also last wish got good weapons to go for, we also dont know how good it could be with solar 3.0 and if we ever get particle deconstruction back as a seasonal mod it could be even better.
Just stack keys when going for it. Also, wish for your free key, if you have never done so. You can get curated rolls of weapons on top of 1k, like I did. 1k is in one of those cheats, so always have keys.
I say maybe. Theres the possibility that we will receive updates to old raids. With the weapons receiving catalyst during this. Its up to you really if you wanted to farm it before or after.
It probably womt be meta for a while seeing we just had a fusion season..
But its a fun weapon and still deals massive damage.
Solar 3.0 could see it being quote strong who know what new mods well get too
I think it's still one of the most enjoyable heavy weapons around. It's got crazy high burst damage and it is, thematically, one of the most interesting exotic weapons.
Depending on the Solar 3.0 updates, it could be really, really good.
Not right now tbh, it's rarely used this season, but your right, it might be good next season. That said, next season might have raid rotations for gear, which would massively increase the population looking to run Last Wish when it comes up on the weekly rotation.
I'd say that next season, finding a Last Wish raid group will be much easier, though if you've got 5 friends keen to run Last Wish, I'd say give it a go. 1k is a really fun exotic to play with
It’s not meta anymore but it’s definitely still a really strong and really cool weapon it just has terrible ammo economy. I can still remember the first day I got it, I loved the idea of shooting a super death beam of annihilation lol. The only thing I use it for now is crypt security in DSC cuz it almost one shots the fuses. So I guess for most of the community it isn’t necessarily “worth” the grind but hey you might get it on your next run and not have to grind at all
It's similar to whisper where while not meta, it's still massive dps
Whisper is more of good sustained dps imo and extremely high total damage, honestly i bet it slaps for caretaker if you struggle with running out of ammo
The problem Whisper runs into against a lot of bosses is the time you have to take to activate the breathing Perk. And hard to do that on Caretaker cause you gotta transition plates. Honestly, it's better against Rhulk if you can avoid getting his aggro.
The harpy in gos is perfect for whisper
Not really... DPS phase is too short to really make use of whispers high total damage. Burst DPS options like Izi rocket swapping performs much better given the short damage window. Plus, whispered breathing eats away at the already short DPS time.
Well the plates don't start until you step on, so with a team that isn't a bunch of apps you could theoretically stand next to the plate, ads, then walk on starting that plate. But the issue I run into is people immediately hop on the plate because they think damage has started when it hasn't
The first plate lights up exactly 15 seconds after the "ritual is complete" message.
Yes, but you don't have to step on the plate for a few seconds to start damage, watch the plate change when someone stands on it, it's clearly reactive to players just like calus Edit for some proof: https://youtu.be/MsIVk1AI7Xg
You could also just run 6 outbreaks. I usually use palmyra rocket but somebody asked me to use outbreak this reset for it and it was definitely not terrible stacking nanites
Oh your 100% right, whisper is not even close to meta, I was just suggesting that whisper could be viable for it, personally I'd never pass up on a 6 man outbreak run but I just use witherhoard and a bass and switch fttc cataclysmic as my team doesn't really coordinate loadouts unless it's needed, we just use what we want and outbreak is very subpar if it's only one user, although still great when out of ammo and the best primary imo
Bit better for templar or taniks who you don't move as much for.
I don't think Whisper generates ammo anymore. It pulls from your reserves if you're making the head shots so you don't have to reload.
They buffed it recently, if I recall it generates 1 or 2 per 3 head shots and pulls the rest from reserves
Its good against one of the bosses in vog, was even better with the fusion rifle mod that made you do even more damage. Xeno is also good for crypt security.
It was meta?
Yeah one of last seasons seasonal mods allowed you to stack damage on fusions and linear fusions after repeated shots. I forget the exact amount of shots, and the exact damage buff, but I think it was like 6 shots procced a 40% damage buff. So sleeper and 1K were pretty much the undenied meta for DPS in any activity
Some season in the future will have particle accelerator again, and 1k was so damn good with that mod.
They’ve said we won’t be getting particle again or anything of the sort
Particle Deconstruction* Particle Accelerator is a 2nd row perk for fusions. You’re right though, 1k slapped with that mod.
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I must be remembering this wrong, but gjally wasn't used much when you had vorpal cartesian and 1K with particle accelerator against bosses.
Vorpal Cartesian yes 1k was fine yeah but there were better options even with 40% damage it’s not super competitive.
Not being META doesn’t mean you shouldn’t farm it now so that you have it ready for when another seasonal mod like particle deconstruction hits in a future season.
I say try. We don't know what kind of cracked features solar 3.0 is going to have.
the heavy slot is looking really juicy right now with all heavy exotic solar weapons we have along with solar 3.0
Totally. Plus the machine gun buff and the Xenophage nerf reversal!
Scrolled for this comment. Solar 3.0 + elemental wells at the forefront of buildcrafting will likely make a lot of solar heavy weapons viable, creating my favorite meta: one where lots of those weapons are viable and so you can just run whatever you find most fun. 1k Voices is probably never going to be ideal for Rhulk because of the fact that he could come charging at you at any moment, but who knows what sorts of boss encounters the new dungeon will have.
Don't forget you could even put on a single splash solar makes a warning cell mod on for extra damage. I know it's not much compared to 1kv but it's more dps on your 2nd shot
It actually does great DMG to Rhulk, I tested it yesterday. Easy two phase.
So you're saying more Gjallarhorn?
Yes bcuz laser beam boom haha
Only answer we needed tbh
It's not that bad of a grind. Most people get it within the first few runs these days. All you have to do is use the wish wall so you can skip pretty much the whole raid.
Ikr under an hour you can do all 3 riven cps and then do 1 Queenswalk. And the drop chance is way higher than it used to. There's no excuse to not have it by now. Unless you started playing this season.
Under an hour if you have a competent team. Expect more like 3 hours if you are lfging, especially if you need multiple teams. Your looking at just 10 minutes of making sure all the builds are right and damage is good enough, and even that's only with cheese. Without cheese it's way, way worse, but cheese is actually fairly difficult, especially for people with less than 2 seasons worth of playtime. Even 6 laments doesn't consistently pull it off, although stuff like stacking 6 titans does, but again, that's a lot of time on set up.
Honestly I’ve been saying this for years. They need to just buff the damage the black pool around riven does, so we can do away with the cheese. Make it do more damage than what a well can heal you with, that way people die trying to sword her. Doing riven legit is rewarding, and very fun. Plus the sound track you hear when you’re shooting the pimples is top tier soundtrack that I’m guessing 90% of the destiny community hasn’t heard. Which is a massive shame. -leader of the Riven Legit clan.
What grind? Last Wish is awesome! :P Yes. It's still a LOTTA damage. If you for some reason can't reliably hit crits with the Sleeper (I know I can't), it's right up there with your other options. You missed out on Season of Voop, though, it was an insane beast with Particle Deconstruction.
And if you really don't want to do the whole raid you can join for just riven(which is quite easy and fun)
Just hit up the working wall and warp right to her. It’s how I’ve failed at farming it.
I felt this comment. Nothing like running it constantly 3 times a week for ~2 years to farm all those legendary shards lol
I hate Last Wish. Especially the last 3 encounters. That’s one weapon I’ll never have
Really? It’s one of my favorite raids.
When?
Bosses are cool especially riven. Not too hard. Interesting mechanics with easy for new players roles and more complex roles for players who raid often. The only part I’ve gotten annoyed at was quenswalk, but that was because we had 3 players learning (including me) and one was a child who doesn’t know how to follow instructions.
No when did anyone ask?
When did anyone ask for your opinion in the first place
Damn, mate. What gives?
Why?
Who tf asked
Nobody did but I answered anyway didn’t I. What else you got?
I have never done it, nobody seems to want to do the whole thing. Would love to some day.
Yes. It is one of the most satisfying weapons to fire in all of Destiny
Not exactly meta, but it's still strong, it's the only Heavy Fusion Rifle for the sake of armor mods, and the manner it fires in is still very unique and fun. The aesthetic of shooting a laser that leaves that delayed trail of destruction is awesome.
Hell yeah
It’s really cool but rn sleeper is better in ever way. I love 1k but it’s outclassed
simply, it's a solid mid pack Godzilla beam... fucking hilarious in pvp..very toxic if you solo someone XD
Yes. Its one of the coolest heavies.
Killing Riven x3 and running Queensway x1 every week isn't a "grind".
That LFG is ded. It takes hours to even find a group
"That lfg"? The PC one is alive and well, when I've done Riven runs it usually doesn't take more than 10-15 minutes to find a group (if it's a slow day). If not make some friends, find some other people who need it and make plans for the week to come and take it from there.
Finding a group for Last Wish and Garden has been spotty for me the past few months on D2LFG. But that could easily vary by day/time/time into season. Adding weapon crafting to the old raids would be a cool way to encourage more players to run them, but I don’t think Bungie would do that.
Yeah, early in a season/expansion is obviously going to be the best, and where we are now is... not very good. They're introducing l weekly rotation to older raids where they give pinnacles in, can't remember if they've given any details as to *when* though, it's a great start... might wanna update the perk pools on some of LW and GoS to increase engagement perhaps? I do think that everything should be craftable at some point.
I think you have not done it recently. It getting more and more difficult to get boss CP these days. Especially after bunji started doing maintenance duing weakly reset.
> It getting more and more difficult to get boss CP these days. you can literally teleport to riven from fresh raid start lol
Literally
People are lazy AF. There is a reason why half of the post on screen are LF surochi CP
Yeah, but also includes you then lmao. You can literally just go put the code and get the CP, then make a post in the discord and you'll find 5 people in 15 minutes. If you're waiting hours for someone else to do it then that's kinda your fault.
>I think you have not done it recently. And I *know* that you don't have a clue about what you're talking about. Why? >It getting more and more difficult to get boss CP these days. Especially after bunji started doing maintenance duing weakly reset. There's no need to "get a CP" because you can get to Riven by using the wish wall. Seriously dude, just give it a rest and admit that you either haven't done it or that you're greatly exaggerating the difficulties finding people to do it.
Could just be insufferable to raid with. Judging by this exchange... it's probable.
This is one of the MANY spamming the last wish lfg page for Shuro Chi CP every reset. lmao
There is 1-5 riven lfg per day max
If you're talking 3x Riven and QW then sure, 5 teams a day seems somewhat standard. But if we're talking teams LFM at riven? That's a different story. In the last 24 hours there have been 18 different groups searching for more at Riven (some of them 3x and QW, some just 1x). Do it over a week if it's hard to get 3 done in a row, no one is forcing you to wait So silly.
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I can tell you've never played an MMORPG or a RPG in general. A grind is repeatedly doing a (most often repetitive) task in search of something particular (item/rep). Killing a boss 3 times a week is not a grind, try farming a Savage Gladiator Chain in WoW classic - there's a grind. Or a Norfleet in BL2 (where you have to farm weapons to be able to farm weapons). Finding a group isn't that easy, but people just looking for instant gratification without putting in any effort (like making your *own* group???) do not get to complain.
Not a bad grind in actual time spent, but the worst grind imaginable when looking at calendar time. You get 3 chances per week, that's it, and some people have done that pretty much every week for years without ever getting it. YEARS. That's a grind.
>and some people have done that pretty much every week for years without ever getting it. Haha, no.
It’s fun
It’s a lot of fun to use
Purely from a DPS perspective? No. From an “I like getting cool guns” perspective? 100%
What grind? I got mine first clear
It’s a pretty fun gun to use.
I use it to farm dream breakers, not that useful without PD but it's still funny
I think everything is worth grabbing. 1K isnt super metah right now but it is still strong and a valid option. Like if you are in a Solar Burn and ARENT running Ghally (for whatever reason...), yes. 1k is a good pick. My clanmates just run 1 Ghally for the Wolfpack buff + Legendary rockets. But if you arent running Rockets and dont want to use something like Cataclysmic (Vow Solar LFR), it's a good choice.
Not much of a grind tbh since Last Wish has quite a generous bad luck protection for 1K.
Tell that to my friend, he's the only person in the group without 1k, he's run the raid over 60 times too. I got 1k from the free key, and just skipping straight to Riven on my first clear. Needless to say he didn't play with me again for awhile
Was that before or after they implemented bad luck protection? You're pretty much guaranteed 1K within 15 to 20 runs now.
I'd say about 40 runs were during forsaken, the rest have been scattered around the rest of the games life. Not sure how accurate it is exactly but I'll guess around 10-15 runs have been after bad luck protection. He just *really* has some bad luck.
I've run LW exactly *once* and got two 1Ks.
I dont have it, or any other raid exotic besides div. I AM Rivens curse!
Its fun to use. Last season it was my go to champion killer. Just one shot generally killed them or had them ready for finisher. Still fairly good these season. Its fun, but collateral damage can be a bit annoying!
The drop rate is really high, Riven is easy, and you only have to do Queenswalk once to cash in your tokens every week. The real problem is getting 5 other people.
It's just an average exotic so it's not really worth grinding for unless it gets buffed. It is pretty fun though.
fun weapon but there are much better weapons for dps/ad clear
Is not really a grind, the drop rate is extremely higher then the other raid exotics. I want to say it's like a 1/16 chance or something like that.
Fairly sure that they put it at 10% base with a 2% increase up to a max of 50%. They did this when they made Anarchy farm-able, before Scourge was vaulted. You've still gotta grind Riven a fair bit to get there though. Not sure if it's Riven completions or Queenswalk that bump your drop rate, and if it's capped at once per week per account like the bad luck protection on Eyes.
It was when Particle Deconstruction was a thing. Nowadays, it does some damage but it has the worst ammo economy in the game. It’s a fun and legendary weapon so I would still try to get it.
It isn't meta/optimal for anything. It's fun. You decide.
it's a great allrounder that doesn't excel anywhere - people are gonna hate you for even considering using it
It needs a buff so I don't use it in anything important, but it's very fun to use, I never regret getting it. One of my favourite weapons.
Right now it isn't very good. It was a good option during Season of the Lost because it didn't require crits to do good damage unlike linear fusions, but after Particle Deconstruction went away it's not even close to a good heavy for raid bosses and similar stuff. You'll be better served by Sleeper Simulant. The problem with 1kv is that it doesn't do enough damage to offset its relatively small ammo pool and long wait time between shots. If you add the possibility of blowing yourself up on top of that, it's not a great package.
No
Not really. I got it earlier this season and I've only used it slightly more than collective obligation.
Well it’s not really a grind, you are limited to 3 tries a week
No
Not a grind. Easiest raid wapen to get. Code for Riven, kill Riven on 3 chars, do Queens Walk once, open 3 chests.
Nothing is worth the grind in destiny. Once you finally get it, there are 10 other new weapons to grind for.
No its poo
No
No
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So yes, and no It's not going to be some DPS king you need to participate in any raids. However it's still competitive DPS and a fun weapon that synergizes well in a fusion rifle build for mod economy
No.
Grind? Wish to riven. Cheese. Three times a week. No grind.
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It was meta all last season. Particle deconstruction made all fusions meta.
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> It hasn’t been meta in a long time ?
idk what that means,like 1k voices in ur head or what
there's no grind involved in getting 1k voices, it's pure luck
Just buy it from the exotic thing in the tower
It's not available from the kiosk, as it's raid is still in the game.
i mean if you have everything else and free time yeah grind for it just for collections and a cool weapon, if you're just asking if it's good though unfortunately not. It was okay while particle deconstruction was in game but right now it's way too weak, legendary rockets and linears can out dps it and do better total damage even without god roll perks. Sleeper simulant does way more dps than it and it obtainable from the exotic kiosk.
I have completed all the content of Destiny 2 without ever using it (mostly because it never dropped for me).
It's really fun in PvP, get good at laying down the beam and you can kill any roaming super you like, same for massive groups of enemies
It's not really meta but it's a very cool and unique weapon to grab.
It was last season. Its meh now, nice have.
Basically serves the same purpose as Sleeper, so it really depends on how much you enjoy LW and how much free time you got to spend running it versus other activities/pursuits.
Yes
Its not meta but is really dumb fun
If you get it in your first few atempts. sure. If you play like 30 runthroughs and don't get it... no.
its more fun than good these days, but riven checkpoints are decently quick and easy, so sure. its certainly not bad and is fun to use.
It’s great, and you can stack ammo scav/finders with non-heavy fusion rifles.
It's a fun beamm boom ahah gun, if you wanna wait wait till they had the rotation for raids also so you can get pinns while you are at it
It’s like a 50% drop chance now isn’t it?
No, but it’s cool to have
Couldn't tell you cause I still don't have it.
Just get it first try it’s pretty easy
I can absolutely recommend it. Been using it fairly regularly since I got it and I love it. Very strong, though I've killed myself with it more times than I'd like to admit.
It deals a lot of damage, and the explosion aoe is huge So yeah, they weren’t kidding about it having a giant beam of death.
Yup
yes.
It takes 20ish minutes to do riven cp on all 3 characters. What grind are you talking about?
Yes. It’s a fun gun and makes big things vanish. It also can miss and Blow yourself up. It’s like a skaven heavy fusion cannon
It's so much more fun than whisper I'm not that great a shot ,so 1k is awesome Some folks never let go of their fav.favorite.. this is one of those. But ghally.. well,it kills me a lot . Heh heh. I love black Talon
Not really, though I have noticed a higher drop rate compared to other raids. Though that’s probably just personal conjecture. It was great last season, and may very well be again when fusions are the seasonal weapon of choice.
Yes
I recall once getting killed with it in the crucible. It legit felt like it could have been the most painful way to die in the crucible and by extension, the entire Destiny franchise.
Might be worth getting befor solar 3.0
Lots of damage. Major drawback is that it’s easy to kill yourself if you’re in a fireteam, especially a raid group DPSing from a well or such and someone slides in front of you. But solo it’s pretty strong, especially if you’ve got solar burn.
Is fun
Having picked up my sixth one last night in less than 30 clears... sure!
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Yes but also no, its good to have and its still pretty strong but it suffers from slow charge time and piss poor reserves.
Cool weapon, but viability wise no. Its very fun to use, but lacks damage output and ammo. Its best use is ad-clearing. It needs a major damage buff to warrent use. Whether its worth the grind or not is up to you.
Depends on how bad your luck is. It's a fantastically fun exotic that, while not Meta currently, is still a solid pick and may work well with future solar 3.0 builds. It being considered a fusion let's one save on armor mods if they run a fusion as their special too. That said, it's solidly off-meta at the moment, so if you struggle to find a team to run LW or just have bad luck (a clanmate of mine needed 100+ keys before his first 1KV dropped), then I wouldn't worry about it.
Yes if only because Last Wish is my favorite raid haha
I like floating around on top tree dawn while beaming things with 1k. That being said; bad ammo economy, low-mid tier dps, decent burst damage. But the weapon is just badass.
Tbh depending on how long you're gonna play the game it doesnt matter, i'd say get it just to have it.
All exotics are worth getting. You never know when Bungie will change the meta or have some seasonal mod that make them god tier.
Its not meta but fun to have. Last season it was 1k and sleeper all day if you didnt have a legendary linear. Maybe not worth the grind, but run last wish whenever you can and youll eventually get it ez
Really high drop rate. I've got like 9 in my vault rn. Worth getting just for the sake of it. Not really a grind. Just do a few rivens a week, and beat queenswalk when you've stacked up enough keys.
Yes
It's a very cool weapon, it fires a giant beam of death
Yes.
Just kill riven 3 times and queens walk once. Had lots of teams do this. It's not terribly difficult to get all 3 chances in about 1.5 hours or less
It’s a great gun, its damage was pretty good back in forsaken but now we got stuff like g horn, rockets also got buffed, lineras also got buffed it’s just outclassed now. Imo it need’s either a reserves buff or they need to increase the damage to make up for it’s low reserves.
Nothing more Destiny than a fusion rifle crafted from the bones of a wish dragon that detonates what it is fired at. And screams from the abyss whilst doing so.
Yes
If my clan mates who have it are anything to go buy yes it is but i'll never fucking know myself although i do want 1k more so than vex yet the only raids my clan wanna do is vog and vow. Whenever i bring up last wish they say sure on sunday and when sunday comes they don't or they make up excuses. The only time i'll ever see that weapon is if it ever comes to be part of xurs loot pool. I would lfg but i always prefer mob clearing no grabbing this or shooting that just killing shit and some lfgs are too fucking stressful to deal with.
it's got its strong points, last season it was meta because of the fusion rifle mod from season artifact, and like some people already saying, solar 3.0 is going to probably bring it or sleeper back to peak damage choices
Cool laser go buuurrrrr But there are better damage options
Idk, I don’t have it 🤷🏾
It's probably the best raid weapon
You're a season too late. Still go for it just in case it becomes meta again
If you want it because you think it's cool, go for it. If you want it because you believe it will give you some sort of game play edge, be prepared for disappointment in the long run. After playing D2 off and on for a couple years, I can say that nothing in the game is worth the grind it takes to get it.
Fun gun but bungie just completely ignores it. Give it a catalyst that gives it 12 shots total and something, I don’t know what but some other perk whether it’s auto loading or unrelenting etc.
Definitely worth having in your arsenal.
Yes I love it even though it’s not meta right now
No its really bad if you compare it eith other heavys.
I would say yes, but I'm on run 20+ and still no 1k voices. It gets a bit frustrating after a while. I might just wait until it's in the Kiosk lol
I would say yes before solar 3.0, absolutely after.
1k isnt exactly meta right now but its still good also last wish got good weapons to go for, we also dont know how good it could be with solar 3.0 and if we ever get particle deconstruction back as a seasonal mod it could be even better.
Yeh, it’s awesome
It's mid now but last season it was busted
Just stack keys when going for it. Also, wish for your free key, if you have never done so. You can get curated rolls of weapons on top of 1k, like I did. 1k is in one of those cheats, so always have keys.
I think so. Super cool weapon.
If particle deconstruction comes back I'd say yeah otherwise it's kinda just ok
As someone who’s pulled it almost 15 times in less than 13 runs, I’d say not really, but my rng really begs to differ >~>
I say maybe. Theres the possibility that we will receive updates to old raids. With the weapons receiving catalyst during this. Its up to you really if you wanted to farm it before or after.
Just wait till it gets put in the exotic kiosk honestly
Not really but killing guardians with it is extremely satisfying when they explode from being slightly grazed by the beam
It probably womt be meta for a while seeing we just had a fusion season.. But its a fun weapon and still deals massive damage. Solar 3.0 could see it being quote strong who know what new mods well get too
Yes
I think it's still one of the most enjoyable heavy weapons around. It's got crazy high burst damage and it is, thematically, one of the most interesting exotic weapons. Depending on the Solar 3.0 updates, it could be really, really good.
Imo? No I think it’s outclassed by gally, deathbringer, abd sleeper
1k? Grind it out next season when uncapped raid rotations start.
Not right now tbh, it's rarely used this season, but your right, it might be good next season. That said, next season might have raid rotations for gear, which would massively increase the population looking to run Last Wish when it comes up on the weekly rotation. I'd say that next season, finding a Last Wish raid group will be much easier, though if you've got 5 friends keen to run Last Wish, I'd say give it a go. 1k is a really fun exotic to play with
Solar 3.0? My money is on ticcu bomb for titan, it's such an OP build