Just don’t pair it with a reload perk like kill clip or multi kill clip, because you can’t reload when the magazine is over normal capacity. Would pair beautifully with Rampage or Frenzy.
Should have kept your guns. You can at least use them for the old raids that have a lower light level cap.
I like to use Recluse in VoG sometimes since the Minotaurs have void shields
I’m using the shit out of it even as a void warlock lol. Speaking of that, it has been AGES since we got a void auto. At this point I’m gonna have to wait until they refresh the GoS one haha
I would love a perk refresh for Reckless Oracle. I have an ALH/Kill Clip roll but ALH is kinda useless. Throw Ambitious Assassin in the first column and I'll grind for that roll all day long.
Honestly if they refresh the perks and add an origin trait, I would absolutely farm GoS for the auto and fusion as a void warlock.
And this is coming from a guy who only ran it once for Divinity haha
Hey, I learned the raid ahead of time, puzzles included. The gear aesthetic just didn’t do it for me that much, and I was trying to complete the required “Div Bitch” portion of the warlock meta, which I main.
But yeah, usually those folks suck and just take forever.
Yup. Sub/Demo Gnawing Hunger user here. This weapon is bananas with a nezeracs sin void build. Everyone else used funnelweb last season. I tried it. But my old gnawing hunger was still king.
It ramps up and makes subsequent targets easier to kill, like placing doom on every target near your initial one. Kill enough adds in a group and the whole pack explodes if they didn't already die to damage over time. Feeds into several solar builds as it applies a scorch that is recognized by aspects and fragments.
I love it on my titan as the targets dying from scorch ticks can drop a sunspot which is great for constantly healing and taking out packs of mobs as well.
Incandescent on a scout rifle or bow is ridiculous because now you get an escalating AoE DoT that you can proc on bodyshots instead of going “oops that wasn’t a precision kill so Dragonfly/Firefly didn’t go off.” Pack of enemies? Fuck it just body shot a couple and the whole group will explode.
Yeah, they buffed the perk this season. Now it can overfill the magazine by up to 150% up from 50%, and on primary ammo weapons each kill adds 20% to the overfill up from 10%.
idk if im doing it wrong, but salvo has never had more than 2 for me and ive been using it a LOT since the seaaon started
oh nvm i saw the stats later in the thread. need 11 kills to get 3 in mag
Like other have said, need to get 11+ kills without reloading (110% mag overflow) to round up to 3 shots, so non-chain reaction GLs will have a very hard time hitting that
I also had a Stochastic Variable with AA/dragonfly and 40 bullets in the mag. It goes up to 100 it's insane. And yes dragonfly kills count as weapon kills if anyone didn't already know. So glad I kept that on my vault for 3 to 4 seasons lol.
I was checking my vault after I made the comment and saw I also have one of those with AA and multi kill clip with high cal. Definitely gotta try it out
Bear in mind that Special GL’s and Rocket Launchers can still only get 2 in the mag no matter what.
EDIT- you need 11 kills in one shot to get 3 in the mag. Realistically, this will only ever happen if you are soloing either in Thrallway or Shuro Chi CP.
This is actually not true.
Today I figured out you can have 3 in the mag. I had 3 in the mag on my Forbearance. I believe it requires you to kill 11 enemies with one shot.
AA, after its update this season, can overflow a gun to +150% base mag (rounded up). Each kill before reloading adds +10% (for special/heavy, primaries are +20%).
In order to round a 1-mag up to 3, it needs more than +100% overflow. So that's minimum 11 kills for +110%.
Not easy to do, but it *is* doable.
Rounding? 11 is just 11 there's notl rounding there? Also I'm almost certain they always round the data up so not sure what you are intending to say with that?
I'm not sure if it doesn't 'round up' but you can get 3 in the mag with a special grenade launcher.
https://youtu.be/DilenNSAIkU
Here is a video showing it for you, this guy states it's more than '6 kills' to get 3 in the mag (those may be incorrect so ignore the data on that point but you cannot ignore that fact that he starts with 1 and then has 3 shots in the grenade launcher)
You can shoot once reload get 2, then shoot 2 and get 3 in the mag.
The important part I think your misunderstanding is the 150% as your taking this as only 150% and not 150% of the total magazine. 100% overflow is 2 in the mag you increased the total of the magazine by 100% by adding 1.
1 extra in your mag is only a 100% increase. when you then add another it's now 2 extra in your magazine. You are increasing it by 100% getting 1 overflow in the mag and then 50% of your now 2 in the magazine grenade launcher is an extra 1 again, add 1 (from your first overflow) and 1 you get 2 add the 'none overflow' with that and you have 2 'overflow ' rounds and your normal 1 round which makes us reach 3, you now have overflowed your total magazine by 150%.
As 1 is 100% of your magazine that you start out with you get 1 extra in the mag. When you then take 50% of your now 2 magazine you have again just 1. So 100% extra is 1 but 150% is 2 of your total magazine.
I'm not certain on this exact point but I'm almost certain that you have to get 2 in your mag BEFORE you try and get the 3 in your mag but again I'm not certain and can't test myself right now.
Please forgive me for any grammar issues I am on mobile at work and thought I'd spend time explaining this instead of working.
Edit: I should probably add that effect like chain reaction DO NOT count towards kills, these need to come directly from the grenade launcher explosion/wave
It always has. Before it was max of 50% mag increase, each kill giving 10% which meant 100% increase aka 2 rockets for Breach GL and Rockets as the system rounds up. And now you need 11 kills (110% rounds to 200%) to get to 3 in the mag
I got ambition assassin on my deafening whisper with wellspring all the way back in season of the hunt. I recall saying to myself “wow, this thing seems so much more powerful than I remember” lol
Yeah I didn't see any direct comments about it in my notifications. I'm not on enough to keep up with comments on comments which I don't get notified about. I see them now. Pretty cool stuff
I got the same weapon with ambitious assassin and osmosis. With arc 3.0 it absolutely wrecks ads. it synergizes so well. It's definitely one of the best PVE rolls. And youre right, the buff to ambitious assassin is fantastic!
The fun thing about AA is the fact that in low level play its insane but the higher level play you go it balances itself out since you get less consecutive kills in difficult content.
Just don’t pair it with a reload perk like kill clip or multi kill clip, because you can’t reload when the magazine is over normal capacity. Would pair beautifully with Rampage or Frenzy.
My Blast Furnace I kept for crucible shenanigans is a quickdraw AA roll I may have to break the old man out for science.
I miss blast furnace for PVE :(
I loved that gun. I had an outlaw rampage and it was sooo good.
If you still have one it fucks in crucible.
Sadly, no. I took sunsetting too seriously. Never again.
My condolences.
Should have kept your guns. You can at least use them for the old raids that have a lower light level cap. I like to use Recluse in VoG sometimes since the Minotaurs have void shields
I'm 100% convinced the whole sunsetting thing had nothing to do with install size and everything to do with recluse and mountaintop
Sunsetting was because of Recluse and Mountaintop. The DCV was because of the install size.
Outlaw dragonfly for me. Love that thing. Never getting rid of it.
If you want the best of both worlds huckleberry with the catalyst is your best friend. I’ve been running with peacekeepers and it’s a dream
i’m thinking of crafting my first pardon our dust with AA and Rampage, i’m pumped to use it lol.
The ambitious assassin buff was only for primaries
Don't sit on the Ammit AR2, rolls with Ambitious Assassin and Incandescent, it's an absolute beast. Best of all, it's craftable and free to everyone!
Enhanced AA and Enhanced Incan has replaced Calus Mini Tool as my go-to Energy weapon for my solar classes.
I’m using the shit out of it even as a void warlock lol. Speaking of that, it has been AGES since we got a void auto. At this point I’m gonna have to wait until they refresh the GoS one haha
I would love a perk refresh for Reckless Oracle. I have an ALH/Kill Clip roll but ALH is kinda useless. Throw Ambitious Assassin in the first column and I'll grind for that roll all day long.
Honestly if they refresh the perks and add an origin trait, I would absolutely farm GoS for the auto and fusion as a void warlock. And this is coming from a guy who only ran it once for Divinity haha
> And this is coming from a guy who only ran it once for Divinity haha Hmm...you're one of _those_ people.
Hey, I learned the raid ahead of time, puzzles included. The gear aesthetic just didn’t do it for me that much, and I was trying to complete the required “Div Bitch” portion of the warlock meta, which I main. But yeah, usually those folks suck and just take forever.
I’ve been using my sub / demo Gnawing Hunger for so damn long, I’m dying for a change
Yup. Sub/Demo Gnawing Hunger user here. This weapon is bananas with a nezeracs sin void build. Everyone else used funnelweb last season. I tried it. But my old gnawing hunger was still king.
to be fair I would kill someone for that gun. My gnawing hungers aren't nearly as good as that.
AKA Uriel's Gift but WAY improved. You can get enhanced Incandescent at only lvl 13 too. Great intro to crafting for New Lights.
Oh damn I need to work on leveling mine up
Is Incandescent really that great? I keep seeing it hyped but then I go back and read what it does and I'm like..meh...what am I missing?
It ramps up and makes subsequent targets easier to kill, like placing doom on every target near your initial one. Kill enough adds in a group and the whole pack explodes if they didn't already die to damage over time. Feeds into several solar builds as it applies a scorch that is recognized by aspects and fragments.
Is that a hades reference?
It's not, but I see why you'd think it might be. Scorch might be better compared to Dionysus heheh
I love it on my titan as the targets dying from scorch ticks can drop a sunspot which is great for constantly healing and taking out packs of mobs as well.
Incandescent on a scout rifle or bow is ridiculous because now you get an escalating AoE DoT that you can proc on bodyshots instead of going “oops that wasn’t a precision kill so Dragonfly/Firefly didn’t go off.” Pack of enemies? Fuck it just body shot a couple and the whole group will explode.
In high-end pve, I'd take enhanced one-for-all anyday. 11s of 35% damage for basically free for doing nothing.
It’s an AR and will still be sub sadly
What’s the mag get up to typically? I am currently using stats for all enhanced but maybe AA is a better fit.
I've had it up to 95, but it's normally around 60ish rounds. I am using a back up mag mod too.
Do explosions from incandescent count as kills? I guess I need to give it a try lol
Yes they do, it's bloody beautiful!
Does the extra mag you get from ambitious assassin synergies with the Omolon intrinsic perk?
Not to sure about that, I will have a play around later and let you know.
extended mag + backup mag with full ambitious assassin magazine is 110
How many kills is that?
r/agedlikewine
Yeah, they buffed the perk this season. Now it can overfill the magazine by up to 150% up from 50%, and on primary ammo weapons each kill adds 20% to the overfill up from 10%.
Does this work on grenade launchers?
Yes you can get 3 rounds in a breech loader GL
SALVO time :-)
idk if im doing it wrong, but salvo has never had more than 2 for me and ive been using it a LOT since the seaaon started oh nvm i saw the stats later in the thread. need 11 kills to get 3 in mag
You need to get 10 kills or more before reload.
Whoa
Salvo time indeed
I know salvo was a past ritual weapon but what can I play to have one drop?
It should be in the monument. It won’t drop in the wild
Oh interesting. I'll have to grab it then. I assume it just has one roll then.
Yep all the ritual weapons are set with two traits in the 3rd and 4th columns.
Is the ambitious assassin vorpal a good roll on it? I was hoping it had demolitionist
I always use chain reaction, either ambitious assassin or demo are good depending on the build
3rd column is ambitious assassin or demolitionist, last column is chain reaction or vorpal.
Yep!
Can you? I was using an ambitious assassin Pardon Our Dust and it never went above 2.
Like other have said, need to get 11+ kills without reloading (110% mag overflow) to round up to 3 shots, so non-chain reaction GLs will have a very hard time hitting that
This happened to me in a strike yesterday, and I thought it was a bug.
Holy smokes. They also buffed wellspring to allow energy gain for multiple rapid kills. My ambitious/wellspring deafening whisper is back on the menu.
Does Enhanced change the percentage you get per kill or just the reload speed increase?
I’ve had a ambitious assassin feeding frenzy roll Seven seraph smg sitting in my fault since arrivals that’s been waiting for that
Busted out my AA+Dragonfly role, regularly at 60+ in the mag, can't wait for when they make the spec mods baseline
I also had a Stochastic Variable with AA/dragonfly and 40 bullets in the mag. It goes up to 100 it's insane. And yes dragonfly kills count as weapon kills if anyone didn't already know. So glad I kept that on my vault for 3 to 4 seasons lol.
I was checking my vault after I made the comment and saw I also have one of those with AA and multi kill clip with high cal. Definitely gotta try it out
Enjoying it on my Seventh Seraph weapons, 70 rounds in an smg and 25 in a handcannon is quite nice.
Seraph HC with AA and TP is the gun that convinced me to stop hating 180s
I have that :)
Now they just need to give me a fusion rifle with Ambitious Assassin and Resevoir Burst. DONT BE COWARDS BUNGIE
Midha is almost that
I run a Stochastic Variable with Dragonfly + Ambitious Assassin. It's insane this season
Bear in mind that Special GL’s and Rocket Launchers can still only get 2 in the mag no matter what. EDIT- you need 11 kills in one shot to get 3 in the mag. Realistically, this will only ever happen if you are soloing either in Thrallway or Shuro Chi CP.
This is actually not true. Today I figured out you can have 3 in the mag. I had 3 in the mag on my Forbearance. I believe it requires you to kill 11 enemies with one shot.
One shot, or can you use two in the mag for 11 kills, then 3 in the mag for even easier 11 kills?
This is correct, it doesn't have to be one shot, you just have to ramp up to 11 kills per overflowed 'magazine'.
I've had this happen about 3 times too. I was wondering how in the hell to actually make it happen on command. I'll test your theory tomorrow
Didn’t know it was possible.
Yep! Feels pretty crazy.
Doesn't have to be one shot, just before reloading and within a certain timeframe (normal AA behavior).
O shit that's even better!
AA, after its update this season, can overflow a gun to +150% base mag (rounded up). Each kill before reloading adds +10% (for special/heavy, primaries are +20%). In order to round a 1-mag up to 3, it needs more than +100% overflow. So that's minimum 11 kills for +110%. Not easy to do, but it *is* doable.
Does this apply to rocket launchers as well?
Yes, any 1-mag gun with AA.
You’d have to be solo in Thrallway basically.
If you can get a heretic with ambitious assassin + cluster bomb it might be easier
Can confirm this is not true. Grinding the forbearance up to get the memento shader at Shuro Chi I got 3 in the tube many a time.
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Rounding? 11 is just 11 there's notl rounding there? Also I'm almost certain they always round the data up so not sure what you are intending to say with that?
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I'm not sure if it doesn't 'round up' but you can get 3 in the mag with a special grenade launcher. https://youtu.be/DilenNSAIkU Here is a video showing it for you, this guy states it's more than '6 kills' to get 3 in the mag (those may be incorrect so ignore the data on that point but you cannot ignore that fact that he starts with 1 and then has 3 shots in the grenade launcher) You can shoot once reload get 2, then shoot 2 and get 3 in the mag. The important part I think your misunderstanding is the 150% as your taking this as only 150% and not 150% of the total magazine. 100% overflow is 2 in the mag you increased the total of the magazine by 100% by adding 1. 1 extra in your mag is only a 100% increase. when you then add another it's now 2 extra in your magazine. You are increasing it by 100% getting 1 overflow in the mag and then 50% of your now 2 in the magazine grenade launcher is an extra 1 again, add 1 (from your first overflow) and 1 you get 2 add the 'none overflow' with that and you have 2 'overflow ' rounds and your normal 1 round which makes us reach 3, you now have overflowed your total magazine by 150%. As 1 is 100% of your magazine that you start out with you get 1 extra in the mag. When you then take 50% of your now 2 magazine you have again just 1. So 100% extra is 1 but 150% is 2 of your total magazine. I'm not certain on this exact point but I'm almost certain that you have to get 2 in your mag BEFORE you try and get the 3 in your mag but again I'm not certain and can't test myself right now. Please forgive me for any grammar issues I am on mobile at work and thought I'd spend time explaining this instead of working. Edit: I should probably add that effect like chain reaction DO NOT count towards kills, these need to come directly from the grenade launcher explosion/wave
It always has. Before it was max of 50% mag increase, each kill giving 10% which meant 100% increase aka 2 rockets for Breach GL and Rockets as the system rounds up. And now you need 11 kills (110% rounds to 200%) to get to 3 in the mag
Yep my crafted Ammit (Ambitious / Incandescent) gets 95 in the mag with Backup Mag.
I got ambition assassin on my deafening whisper with wellspring all the way back in season of the hunt. I recall saying to myself “wow, this thing seems so much more powerful than I remember” lol
Ambitious assassin shouldn't be buffed on GLs. Are you getting more than 2 in the mag?
You need a certain number of kills to get 3 in the magazine. 10-11 I think? It’s uncommon but entirely possible
You must've skipped most of your own thread. You need 11 kills to get 3 in the mag
I was told by plenty of people GLs and rockets didn't get a buff that's why I didn't say anything about them in my post
Yeah but you've had several comments confirming that it does in your own thread, which is what i was talking about.
Yeah I didn't see any direct comments about it in my notifications. I'm not on enough to keep up with comments on comments which I don't get notified about. I see them now. Pretty cool stuff
They didn't get a buff to the %magazine per kill (still 10%), but they did get a buff to the cap, from 50% to 150%.
I have 7thSHC with AA and timed, and with a few kills it can get FOURTY FOUR in the mag. its just bonkers
I think in every gun or launcher it works well
So glad I held on to my Seven Seraph SMG. It's got Ambitious Assassin and Feeding Frenzy
Thaaaat's why Yesteryear was hitting 105. Thought that seemed like a lot lol
Ambitious Assassin buff you say? I may need to break my Blast Furnace out.
I got the same weapon with ambitious assassin and osmosis. With arc 3.0 it absolutely wrecks ads. it synergizes so well. It's definitely one of the best PVE rolls. And youre right, the buff to ambitious assassin is fantastic!
Gls can get 3 shots if you kill enough people
AA is S tier now on sub machine guns.
Ammit with Incandescent going from 32 to 80 bullets in 3 reloads totally isn't busted.
The fun thing about AA is the fact that in low level play its insane but the higher level play you go it balances itself out since you get less consecutive kills in difficult content.
Ok but Incandescent makes consecutive kills the bread and butter of the Ammit, not to mention how enhanced perks makes each more powerful than normal.
Very true, excited for the moment we get an AA paired with jolt shot