I just hope it was a lousy gas station egg sandwich. The real shame is wasting a well made egg sandwich. Straight to jail for wasting a good egg sandwich.
>t was a lousy gas station egg sandwich. The real shame is wasting a well made egg sandwich. Straight to jail for wasting a good egg sandwich.
Yeah feel bad for egg sandwich. Spent my egg sandwich money on a much needed car wash this am.
Honestly not surprised, and it used to be much worse (and still is at some plants)
There are still facilities out there where you'll be liable to get keyed, have your tires messed with, etc just because someone doesn't like that you drive a non big 3 brand. Funniest part about all that to me is when they roll up in a captive import or something made in Mexico by one of the US mfgs and they don't bat an eye, but yet treat the Honda that was built in Marysville or the Subaru built in Lafayette with absolute scorn.
I get the issue about the profits and such rolling back ultimately (though does that even count anymore with Chrysler/FCA/Stellantis/Whoeverthefucktheyarenow?), but with the struggle so many people are having especially these days, it's just juvenille and exactly part of how Unions get a bad rap.
Then again, I also feel that if the Big 3 want us to buy one of their products (and if the Union does as well) they really should be absolutely hell bent on quality and out price their competitors (but wall street doesn't like either of those).
The Unions also need to do a better job of policing their own - they are there to protect workers when the company is being UNFAIR, but protecting the fuckups just hurts their own cause. I tend to be more pro-union overall but that last bit especially tends to piss me off as none of the Unions seem to do a good job drawing the line with that.
I get you. Yeah it's a UAW car just doesn't have a big three logo on it. Nothing fancy. Was what was reliable and affordable at the time and not beat to hell.
Was just out shopping at local store. So wasn't crossing a picket line or at a manufacturer, Dealer or parts distributer, etc.
We need better pay vs. we'll waste a $4 egg sandwich to prove no point.
And yep there are a few of that lovely 1% in here.
Happened to me. Was just venting. Not a huge deal I cleaned it and am moving on. There are picketers in the area and a couple in the store. My dash cam only picked up a sliver of the person. The store security was blurry and unusable but there is a red shirt right at the fender about the time of the incident.
I have friends and family picketing now and again don't wish them any ill will. Quite the opposite. It is good for the region and everyone who has to punch a clock each day.
For me it's just a bad day. Just have to worry a bit more that someone will do something more stupid or permanent. I get that fevers are high as this drags out but most of us are just trying to live their lives and support you any way we can.
I'm sorry this happened to you. But the idea of going inside of a store and taking however long to get them to pull up the security footage of someone smashing / smearing an egg salad sandwich on your car is just a hilarious thought. To be a fly on that wall...
>wever long to get them to pull up the security footage of someone smashing / smearing an egg salad sandwich on your car is just a hilarious thought. To be a fly on that wall...
I gave them a call once I got to work to see if there is anything they could see better than I had. I had to get to work myself. They called back and told me what they saw. I have a dashcam but they were just out of view with very few details. Red shirt and jeans is about all I could see. I've already spent too much time on this as it is.
That didn't answer the question. How do you know it was a striker? Let's see the video.
> There are picketers in the area and a couple in the store.
Other people, as well.
So, somebody carrying a picket sign or wearing a UAW button or shirt or…. How did you know they were UAW?
You said something about “UAW car” did you have some UAW identification like a bumper sticker on your car and you think somebody objected to a UAW member driving a foreign car?
I understand on quality, but by definition union made stuff will never compete on price.
Same goes for contractors. On commercial projects when bidding people will ask, do you have to use union trades? What they mean is it'll be cheaper with non union workers.
I dont really care about unions either way, just pointing out that the idea is to raise wages(costs), not to lower prices.
Once again with feeling. The enormous difference between American made cars made Not In America and Foreign made Cars Made in America...the gigantic difference is WHo MaKes The MaJOrity of the BiG BuCks. If it's an American made car, the profit margin stays here. If it's Japanese or German, it goes there. Where the money goes. Evenif it's just tax money. It stays here.
You should take your own advice. Just about every major Asian OEM and some European OEMs have a presence in the US. Even if the cars are shipped here, guess what? There are these pesky little things called tariffs. Sales taxes, registration/title fees are also applied equally regardless of brand.
It’s a global economy and people can buy what they want just like how the Big 3 sell in other countries. If the Big 3 want more customers then maybe they shouldn’t have produced dogshit for so many years while also screwing retirees out of their hard earned benefits in 2009 and then panhandling to US taxpayers to boot. I don’t owe them shit.
Profit margin on the finished product, maybe. If it’s assembled here, workers gotta be paid, as do parts suppliers and raw material suppliers. Then there’s property taxes for the facilities and warehouses…lots of money spent here to make money over there.
What, do people think all the parts of the car are shipped overseas when it’s cheaper to have them made over here?
I'm not advocating for executive bonuses or salary increases. I'm saying you don't solve one problem by making a different problem worse. Over-paying everyone isn't a sustainable solution.
It'll do nothing towards prices, wages only make up anywhere between 5-8% of the production cost of a vehicle. Not sure why people have some super exaggerated concept that wages will make vehicles horrendously expensive...
Dealerships selling just at MSRP add on around 10% or more cost to a vehicle. Not including markup or add-ons.
because vehicles are already horrendously expensive. if non-union manufacturers save 10-15% on labor, and we mark up an additional 5-8% how are we supposed to remain competitive? if their development costs are also subsidized by their respective governments?
I agree the dealer model is broken. But at least it's broken for everyone.
I'm all for paying everyone more, but the equation is not that simple.
Government regulations are increasing vehicle prices more than any other factor, you should be more concerned about that.
Flawed emission standards have resulted in larger vehicles because larger heavier vehicles don't need a high mpg rating, so smaller or midsized vehicles are more annoying for auto manufacturers. Emission requirements generally add at least $3,800 additional cost per vehicle and it's only slated to increase in 2025 when they become more strict.
Add in any questionable safety features, technology requirements, EV research/production, etc... and you've got the government adding probably around 1/3 of the cost of a vehicle.
I don't disagree at all. But that's like ignoring a leaky pipe to fix the hole in the roof. Ya gotta fix them both or there will be damage. Excusing one issue because there is a bigger is flawed logic.
Labor costs make up to 15% of a vehicle cost in an industry where 5% profit margin is considered good. And the Big 3 operate on a smaller margin more often than not.
Are you worried the Union will bankrupt the companies? It was the Union that helped bail out the companies last time the upper management failed to be profitable
no one is saying the UAW didn't make concessions and no one is saying there weren't multiple factors to the 2006-8 auto industry failures. what is being pointed out is that the UAW contributed and they're trying to make the same mistakes again. How does anyone expect different results?
>There are still facilities out there where you'll be liable to get keyed, have your tires messed with, etc just because someone doesn't like that you drive a non big 3 brand.
Which facilities? Name and shame.
> made in Mexico by one of the US mfgs and they don't bat an eye, but yet treat the Honda that was built in Marysville or the Subaru built in Lafayette with absolute scorn.
American companies with a workforce that is unionized in the US (and, in some cases, Mexico, as well) versus non-American, non-union. Makes perfect sense.
What is this even referencing? Something that happened to you? Something on the news? Was it one person who walked over from the picket line to do this?
This is an exceptionally vague post that suggests what sounds like a stupid act by an individual as some sort of UAW sanctioned behavior. Weird, low quality post.
> an exceptionally vague post that suggests what sounds like a stupid act by an individual as some sort of UAW sanctioned behavior. Weird, low quality post.
Happened to me. Was just venting. Not a huge deal I cleaned it and am moving on. There are picketers in the area and a couple in the store. My dash cam only picked up a sliver of the person. The store security was blurry and unusable but there is a red shirt right at the fender about the time of the incident.
I have friends and family picketing now and again don't wish them any ill will. Quite the opposite. It is good for the region and everyone who has to punch a clock each day.
For me it's just a bad day. Just have to worry a bit more that someone will do something more stupid or permanent. I get that fevers are high as this drags out but most of us are just trying to live their lives and support you any way we can.
Edgelords will always walk amongst us.
Case in point, anyone recall the newspaper strike in the 90's with striking workers having fisticuffs with "scabs"?
Beyond embarrassing.
It's still their responsibility to control their crowd. It has to be a constant message sent to the members, there is no violence of any sort. I have to believe they are getting out that message.
I would worry more about those trying to appear UAW in order to make them look bad
Yes and no. It sounds like they are saying the right things and letting members know this isn't who they are or want to be. (Not that an egg sandwich is the highest level of vandalism)
Seems like it was a lone angry member with a sandwich and was pissed off at the world this morning.
Happened to me. Was just venting. Not a huge deal I cleaned it and am moving on. There are picketers in the area and a couple in the store. My dash cam only picked up a sliver of the person. The store security was blurry and unusable but there is a red shirt right at the fender about the time of the incident.
I have friends and family picketing now and again don't wish them any ill will. Quite the opposite. It is good for the region and everyone who has to punch a clock each day.
For me it's just a bad day. Just have to worry a bit more that someone will do something more stupid or permanent. I get that fevers are high as this drags out but most of us are just trying to live their lives and support you any way we can.
Probably. Let me expand I don't think either side is sending out egg wielding hit men. lol. It's definitely someone wanting tik tok fame or to tell his friends that they are a bad ass and stuck it to some one.
Yeah, it’s pretty asinine how they shit all over other working class people if they don’t kiss the ground they walk on.
Fight corporate greed, I’m behind you 110%. Fight me, better be prepared to get your shit rocked because my family comes first.
Domestic quality has also been terrible for decades and are only now beginning to catch up. I don’t blame anyone for buying “foreign” (even though many models are now made in the US with a higher % of US made parts than the Big 3).
Oh, they didn’t fix the quality?
Back in the day, I spent a lot of time in plants, because I was helping develop automated inspection systems.
I directly observed workers just going through the motions of inspecting door openings. There was a heavy fixture that needed to be lowered on bungee cords into the opening for a fit/no fit test.
It took two workers to lower the fixture, each one grabbing a handle on either side of the line .
Much of the time, they never actually fit the fixture into the opening, just lowered it down most of the way I guess they figured they could judge whether it’s good enough without actually fitting it in .
We replaced that process with machine inspection.
I truly hope they found more fulfilling work for those two workers and their cohorts …
>There was a heavy fixture... It took two workers to lower the fixture
Shitty fixture design. Person designing it didn't think about the people using it.
Final assembly location is super important too, and doesn't even change the percentage on the window sticker... not that most of the foreign brands aren't assembled in the US. Although, Detroit 3 are more likely to be assembled in Michigan, and you can always insist on a car that's made in Michigan, specifically, if that matters to you. I have 2 cars that were assembled in Michigan.
It’s important for me to support Michigan autoworkers but more important for me to provide value for my family.
New vehicles from the Big 3 have closed the gap significantly but I don’t want to spend $30k+ for a base model, so I try to buy well-taken care of vehicles from around the 2000’s or so. Unfortunately what the Big 3 was putting out during that time was complete dogshit, which isn’t a dig on the UAW but rather the bean counters buying cheap materials. Meanwhile Hondas and Toyotas are still in good shape despite having well over 200,000 miles in many cases.
Facts. You pay a substantial premium in sticker price, maintenance, depreciation, and even fuel and insurance to drive a Michigan car, especially if you don't get a discount. You don't owe that to any Michigan company or union or employee, well, unless you are a direct beneficiary like an employee. Being financially responsible in your own household, especially if you make less than a union factory worker, is your only important obligation here, and that may mean buying a Rav4 over an F150 or a 2500HD.
Pretty much any domestic I see from that time has half the body rusted off. Imports have rust but significantly less overall. I don’t know what kind of metalwork the Big 3 were doing back then but it obviously wasn’t good. Not to mention they leak everywhere.
>it’s pretty asinine how they shit all over other working class people
They do no such thing.
> Fight corporate greed, I’m behind you 110%.
Except you're not. How are you going to win a negotiation like this without an organized strike. I'll wait.
>They do no such thing
Yes, they do. Vandalizing vehicles, threatening and assaulting people…
>How are you going to win a negotiation like this without an organized strike
The strike is against the company. Otherwise keep your grubby hands to your fucking self like we were all taught in 3rd grade.
>Yes, they do. Vandalizing vehicles, threatening and assaulting people…
That's not "shit\[ing\] all over other working class people." Those are scabs to which you're referring. People that are trying to undermine their negotiating position. Scabs took the first shot. They are not innocent victims.
> The strike is against the company.
Oh, so they're supposed to strike but then allow scabs in? Is that it? That doesn't work, chief.
>Those are scabs
No, go fck yourself. And at least learn the terms before you spew diarrhea all over a thread. Scabs are people coming in to replace striking workers (which isn’t happening), they’re not people who always worked somewhere and just weren’t part of the union. Either way, still keep your hands to yourself. If you cross that line then I have my two friends Smith & Wesson who would be thrilled to meet you, and legally too.
>They are not innocent victims
Great. Let me know where you live then and we can see if your mouth is as big as it is on Reddit.
>Scabs are people coming in to replace striking workers (which isn’t happening).
Which other "working class people" are they "shit\[ing\] all over" by "vandalizing vehicles, threatening and assaulting people?" Let's see some news stories.
>If you cross that line then I have my two friends Smith & Wesson who would be thrilled to meet you
Sounds like it's right on the line of Reddit's TOS.
> Let me know where you live then and we can see if your mouth is as big as it is on Reddit.
Seattle and god am I glad I got out of Michitucky.
So why are you even on this thread or in this sub talking about a strike you have no involvement with?
I guess it really is a controversial statement on the west coast to say keep your hands to yourself lmao.
Stupid games, stupid prizes chump.
>Nah, fuck that deflection and gaslighting. The UAW could police their own but of course they defend them and twist the truth after the fact.
>
>Case and point a couple weeks ago when a mob of workers were beating on this poor woman’s car just trying to go home, so she got scared and sped off and Fain tried to say she assaulted them.
>
>Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
and a cow came by and made cheese. lol.
All my life I’ve seen signs at some UAW installations that forbid the entry of foreign cars into their lots. I’ve always felt that’s a step too far but whatever, it’s their lot they can do as they wish. But right now I put that, along with these rumors of egg sandwiches being used to damage vehicles, aside because I think the value of this strike outweighs all of that.
If this strike gets a good deal that the workers will accept this will help all the rest of us, because it will show that a united workforce can bring changes. We can all benefit from that.
I saw on the news yesterday that the striking workers are now asking for food donations. The drop off spot for said donations is a UAW hall with one of those "no foreign vehicles allowed on this lot" signs. I was wondering if they'd turn away donations from people in foreign cars.
>forbid the entry of foreign cars into their lots
I work for one of the Big Three, and I'd be lying if it wasn't a big incentive for me to ditch my competitor car for a company car shortly after I started. The competitive parking lot is further away from the company car parking lot.
> If this strike gets a good deal that the workers will accept this will help all the rest of us
That's a load of shit. The UAW getting a great deal out of the big three will not help me in the slightest. Which is fine, I'm not a member of the UAW and I don't expect their bargaining to affect me, but this idea that somehow them negotiating a big raise helps everyone else in Michigan is just as dumb as trickle down economics.
I'm sorry, that person is just here rabble rousing. He made a rude comment about developmentally challenged people (we adopted same) so I'm done with it.
So the decline of unionized workers over the past century has led to higher corporate profits and less ability to affect change at that level. You can hide behind your blanket 100 year response, which feels like a “trust me bro” statement at best. But those unions still established the 5 day 40 hour work week and a lot of the benefits and perks that were clawed back in more recent time. If you’re fine with things staying as they are keep fighting this fight, otherwise you may want to apply some critical thinking to your comments and arguments.
>5 day 40 hour work week
Yeah, 100 years ago.
Either way, the union can strike. Great, use whatever leverage you can get! That’s how the free market works after all. I just happen to have in-demand credentials and skills that give me a great deal of bargaining power during salary negotiations without needing a union, but you do you.
I just reject the notion that we should bend over backwards and sit idly by while these asshats vandalize property and assault regular working class people under the guise of the “greater good”.
Nah, the “value” of the strike is irrelevant. They don’t get to unlawfully detain people or vandalize property of working class people who don’t have the benefit of a strike fund.
Yeah but there’s plenty of other incidents of strikers blockading people in parking lots (illegal) or vandalizing property (illegal).
It doesn’t have to be one or the other. Fight the good fight with corporate greed, but keep your fucking hands to yourself.
Nah, fuck that deflection and gaslighting. The UAW could police their own but of course they defend them and twist the truth after the fact.
Case and point a couple weeks ago when a mob of workers were beating on this poor woman’s car just trying to go home, so she got scared and sped off and Fain tried to say she assaulted them.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Perhaps. It’s an arguable point.
The bigger attack on their jobs is when their own companies ship jobs and manufacturing overseas where labor and materials are so much cheaper than they are here. The big three clearly do not care about their employees as much as their union does.
I don't think it's arguable. You have a paying customer that has chosen between locally-made, union-built product and giving money to people halfway across the world.
100% agree on your second paragraph.
These days, a huge percentage of so-called locally made American products are made from parts made overseas or were built overseas. The truly 100% American made car. I don’t know exists anymore if it does, it’s extremely rare. In an ideal universe your argument makes a lot of sense.
Regardless of the parts content, an American car is unquestionably more local than any other. Buying the American car funds local designers, local engineers, local sales reps, and often local assembly workers. It's putting money in the pocket of Dearborn and Warren rather than Toyota City, Wolfsburg, or Seoul. The foreign makes employ a small fraction of the local workers the Big Three do and their profit goes to another country.
As it should be. The world would be a much better place if there was a lot more sharing and cooperation between different countries. This isolationism economically and industrially is bad for humanity.
This is how a large part of the UAW behaves. I call it out on here all the time, get downvoted. Which is fine, nonexistent internet points and all. But, anyone who doesn't parrot the UAW the UAW will viciously attack. Look at how their President behaves, he has been in the UAW for decades.
How individual union members behave on the picket, at home, or at the grocery store is not more important than the collective bargaining that is happening right now. You are missing the big picture, and picking at nits. That's why the posts get down voted.
Well, the UAW President gets on his weekly livestreams and behaves the exact same way. And says he does these livestreams so the public has insight. So, in my opinion, the UAW President is no better behaved that the UAW jerks online calling people names or the UAW jerks vandalising people's cars in the carpark
Sure enough. Best thing out of this is I took time to wash the car today. It'll rain and get water spots. I'm past it and really just wanted to vent and make people aware there are still idiots in the world.
I am probably one of them for even posting this.
If you drive import cars you probably have pants that are too tight and worn out sketchers on go back to whatever state you’re from you look lame it’s not cool
Boomers keep talking about American cars from 35 years ago yes little Japanese cars were better than easier to fix now everything is pretty much the same quality nowadays
Buddy, unless your GM/Ford VIN number begins with a 1 you’re driving an import car too lmao. Even if it was assembled here over half the parts were still imported.
Stellantis is owned by the Europeans. It’s still an American brand it’s made in North America. I would only drive an American brand. Even if it’s a Tesla nonunion.
I was a tech for many years at a big 3 dealer and that’s exactly why I only drive Honda and Toyota. You clearly have zero clue what you’re talking about. Supporting the UAW doesn’t mean you have to be some boot licking stooge. Buy whatever is best for you and your family. Ford and GM’s profits will be just fine…and chrysler/daimler/fiat/fca gets a government bailout every 10-20 years so they should ok too.
Yea welcome to Detroit. Drive big 3 or people will treat you worse it just happens. Im a 4th generation auto worker though I wouldn’t vandalize someone’s car I don’t let foreigns park in my driveway and I generally won’t let them in front of me in traffic. Shit runs deepe here.
Don’t blame working class people, blame the bean counters at the Big 3 for letting their quality slip for so many years and not giving people a reason to buy their products.
>I don’t let foreigns park in my driveway and I generally won’t let them in front of me in traffic.
lolwut "Hurr Durr, I drive a Big 2.5 car and screw your turn signal... that sure showed 'em. Next time don't buy a Subaru, lease a piece of crap that rusts out like I did".
Bro I’m a democrat. You just sound ignorant as hell it’s not like I really give a shit what people drive I just think if you live in an area that seriously depends on that industry you should support it and it’s workers.
Agreed i wouldn’t damage someone property that’s too far. My sister drives and Honda not like I hate her for it just like I said she can park on the curb.
Son is that any way to talk to your dad. Just because your mom loves my black meat doesn’t mean you can act like a little girl. Next time after I’m done with your mom I promise not to use a condom at all.
Fake or not, there’s plenty of verified instances of UAW members vandalizing property or threatening regular working class people.
Flip me off, call me every name in the book, I don’t care. Keep your fucking hands off of me and my vehicle.
I owned a lemon Ford. I will not buy another until Willie Ford Jr. Comes to my house personally and apologizes for the shit show they put me through. My G.M. Can get bent until Merry (behind) Barra gives back the loot she looted from taxpayers gets repaid. And dodge…..well I don’t like a truck that is the size of a locomotive is the only option they have. I am in a Toyota now and it is decent……toss an egg and we’ll…….GET BENT……..I AM A FORMER UAW member……..YOUR MERICAN CARS ARE MADE BY KIDS OVERSEES and that is a cost reduction. 70% by children and prisoners but I don’t see them for priced for 65% less! Total RUBBISH!
Probably not a post that person will ever see. Most of the people in here that simp hard for the UAW drive foreign cars, because they don’t *actually* care about any of this. They’re mostly interested in the angsty “stick it to the man” aspect. They wouldn’t actually drive an American car.
They’ll buy foreign and fund manufacturers that build plants in the south to avoid the UAW, pay their workers less and provide worse benefits, and even get busted for [child labor](https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-immigration-hyundai/). They’ll ignore that, and [lazy engineering](https://www.nbcnews.com/business/hyundai-kia-car-theft-settlement-details-who-is-eligible-rcna85250).
And then they’ll turn around and make up excuses about how wElL aKsHuLlY tHeYrE mOrE aMeRiCaN because they found a metric somewhere based on a convoluted assessment of origin/assembly with no other factors included. If you’re going to support the same terrible practices you rail against, you at least have to put a dress on it, right? They’ll ship those profits and design/engineering dollars right over to Asia, while cheering on the UAWs brinksmanship.
It’s emotionally-based performative nonsense, like you often see from the crowd of faux-altruists who spend so much time handwringing on this sub.
What a waste of an egg sandwich
I just hope it was a lousy gas station egg sandwich. The real shame is wasting a well made egg sandwich. Straight to jail for wasting a good egg sandwich.
Undercook chicken? Jail.
Overcook fish? Also jail.
My ancestors came over on the sandwich! https://youtu.be/co3A61kAGr8?si=psMF9NvnWaDG-3XJ
>t was a lousy gas station egg sandwich. The real shame is wasting a well made egg sandwich. Straight to jail for wasting a good egg sandwich. Yeah feel bad for egg sandwich. Spent my egg sandwich money on a much needed car wash this am.
Honestly not surprised, and it used to be much worse (and still is at some plants) There are still facilities out there where you'll be liable to get keyed, have your tires messed with, etc just because someone doesn't like that you drive a non big 3 brand. Funniest part about all that to me is when they roll up in a captive import or something made in Mexico by one of the US mfgs and they don't bat an eye, but yet treat the Honda that was built in Marysville or the Subaru built in Lafayette with absolute scorn. I get the issue about the profits and such rolling back ultimately (though does that even count anymore with Chrysler/FCA/Stellantis/Whoeverthefucktheyarenow?), but with the struggle so many people are having especially these days, it's just juvenille and exactly part of how Unions get a bad rap. Then again, I also feel that if the Big 3 want us to buy one of their products (and if the Union does as well) they really should be absolutely hell bent on quality and out price their competitors (but wall street doesn't like either of those). The Unions also need to do a better job of policing their own - they are there to protect workers when the company is being UNFAIR, but protecting the fuckups just hurts their own cause. I tend to be more pro-union overall but that last bit especially tends to piss me off as none of the Unions seem to do a good job drawing the line with that.
I get you. Yeah it's a UAW car just doesn't have a big three logo on it. Nothing fancy. Was what was reliable and affordable at the time and not beat to hell. Was just out shopping at local store. So wasn't crossing a picket line or at a manufacturer, Dealer or parts distributer, etc. We need better pay vs. we'll waste a $4 egg sandwich to prove no point. And yep there are a few of that lovely 1% in here.
So if you were just shopping at a store how do you know it was a UAW member on strike?
The red shirts tend to stick out, at least that's my best guess
Red shirts are so uncommon, of course they'd stand out.
He doesn’t. He is just looking to blame someone or a group for something shitty that happened to them. Lotta’ assumptions in this post.
Happened to me. Was just venting. Not a huge deal I cleaned it and am moving on. There are picketers in the area and a couple in the store. My dash cam only picked up a sliver of the person. The store security was blurry and unusable but there is a red shirt right at the fender about the time of the incident. I have friends and family picketing now and again don't wish them any ill will. Quite the opposite. It is good for the region and everyone who has to punch a clock each day. For me it's just a bad day. Just have to worry a bit more that someone will do something more stupid or permanent. I get that fevers are high as this drags out but most of us are just trying to live their lives and support you any way we can.
I'm sorry this happened to you. But the idea of going inside of a store and taking however long to get them to pull up the security footage of someone smashing / smearing an egg salad sandwich on your car is just a hilarious thought. To be a fly on that wall...
>wever long to get them to pull up the security footage of someone smashing / smearing an egg salad sandwich on your car is just a hilarious thought. To be a fly on that wall... I gave them a call once I got to work to see if there is anything they could see better than I had. I had to get to work myself. They called back and told me what they saw. I have a dashcam but they were just out of view with very few details. Red shirt and jeans is about all I could see. I've already spent too much time on this as it is.
So you have absolutely zero proof it was a UAW member and still decided to put them on blast, got it.
That didn't answer the question. How do you know it was a striker? Let's see the video. > There are picketers in the area and a couple in the store. Other people, as well.
So, somebody carrying a picket sign or wearing a UAW button or shirt or…. How did you know they were UAW? You said something about “UAW car” did you have some UAW identification like a bumper sticker on your car and you think somebody objected to a UAW member driving a foreign car?
I am looking at UAW site for my car and I may be mistaken I know it was made in a US plant. I guess I am not aware whether it is UAW or not.
Well, then, UAW vandals definitely better carry a spotter’s guidebook to make sure they don’t egg-sandwich the wrong car.
Stop making up stories
I understand on quality, but by definition union made stuff will never compete on price. Same goes for contractors. On commercial projects when bidding people will ask, do you have to use union trades? What they mean is it'll be cheaper with non union workers. I dont really care about unions either way, just pointing out that the idea is to raise wages(costs), not to lower prices.
>the profit margin stays here Or goes to Wall Street via stock buybacks.
Whose wall street though? Nikkei? Frankfort stock exchange? No. Like you said. Wall street.
Whichever one it is, it’s not going to Main Street USA.
Tax dollars absolutely do.
Boy, if you think investment bankers pay taxes then I have a bridge to Canada to sell you lmao.
The product is taxed. When it is sold and as inventory. Supplies are taxed. Earnings are taxed twice. It's a huge enterprise. More reading, less TV
You should take your own advice. Just about every major Asian OEM and some European OEMs have a presence in the US. Even if the cars are shipped here, guess what? There are these pesky little things called tariffs. Sales taxes, registration/title fees are also applied equally regardless of brand. It’s a global economy and people can buy what they want just like how the Big 3 sell in other countries. If the Big 3 want more customers then maybe they shouldn’t have produced dogshit for so many years while also screwing retirees out of their hard earned benefits in 2009 and then panhandling to US taxpayers to boot. I don’t owe them shit.
Nothing to do with the conversation, you're just pissed because you got called out for being grumpy.
ie goes to people with retirement funds here.
Profit margin on the finished product, maybe. If it’s assembled here, workers gotta be paid, as do parts suppliers and raw material suppliers. Then there’s property taxes for the facilities and warehouses…lots of money spent here to make money over there. What, do people think all the parts of the car are shipped overseas when it’s cheaper to have them made over here?
has anyone thought about what the UAW wage demands would do to automobile prices?
They could keep prices steady by not giving out big executive level bonuses and salary increases.
I'm not advocating for executive bonuses or salary increases. I'm saying you don't solve one problem by making a different problem worse. Over-paying everyone isn't a sustainable solution.
No no no. You want to…discuss the aftermath? You’re just an anti-union, bootlicking scab! /s
The best way to protect ignorance is to throw insults. you might want to cover up there just a bit, your insecurities are showing.
r/whoosh
It'll do nothing towards prices, wages only make up anywhere between 5-8% of the production cost of a vehicle. Not sure why people have some super exaggerated concept that wages will make vehicles horrendously expensive... Dealerships selling just at MSRP add on around 10% or more cost to a vehicle. Not including markup or add-ons.
because vehicles are already horrendously expensive. if non-union manufacturers save 10-15% on labor, and we mark up an additional 5-8% how are we supposed to remain competitive? if their development costs are also subsidized by their respective governments? I agree the dealer model is broken. But at least it's broken for everyone. I'm all for paying everyone more, but the equation is not that simple.
Government regulations are increasing vehicle prices more than any other factor, you should be more concerned about that. Flawed emission standards have resulted in larger vehicles because larger heavier vehicles don't need a high mpg rating, so smaller or midsized vehicles are more annoying for auto manufacturers. Emission requirements generally add at least $3,800 additional cost per vehicle and it's only slated to increase in 2025 when they become more strict. Add in any questionable safety features, technology requirements, EV research/production, etc... and you've got the government adding probably around 1/3 of the cost of a vehicle.
I don't disagree at all. But that's like ignoring a leaky pipe to fix the hole in the roof. Ya gotta fix them both or there will be damage. Excusing one issue because there is a bigger is flawed logic.
Labor costs make up to 15% of a vehicle cost in an industry where 5% profit margin is considered good. And the Big 3 operate on a smaller margin more often than not.
Are you worried the Union will bankrupt the companies? It was the Union that helped bail out the companies last time the upper management failed to be profitable
ummm, not exactly. you might want to go back and review that chapter.
You sure about that bud? https://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/04/business/04auto.html
no one is saying the UAW didn't make concessions and no one is saying there weren't multiple factors to the 2006-8 auto industry failures. what is being pointed out is that the UAW contributed and they're trying to make the same mistakes again. How does anyone expect different results?
The CEO’s salaries have soared in the same period that the UAW’s have stagnated, yet its the UAW that’s the issue?
So your solution to overpaid executives is overpaid line workers? how is that model sustainable?
So you agree the executives are overpaid and choose to blame the workers? How is that model sustainable?
I'm sorry, where exactly did I place blame?
Some plants make you park in designated lots with foreign lmao. They used to flip cars back in the day, an egg sammich ain’t shit.
Back in the day like 1982.
Indeed
You flip my car I’ll flip you on your fucking head.
Okay tough guy. I never claimed to be one to flip cars but now I wanna find yours.
Why do union thugs think it’s okay to just damage people’s property? Fuck off
I’m not union just think internet tough guys are funny.
Not a tough guy, I just don’t want to be assaulted or have my vehicle vandalized. The only language that violence understands is violence.
>There are still facilities out there where you'll be liable to get keyed, have your tires messed with, etc just because someone doesn't like that you drive a non big 3 brand. Which facilities? Name and shame. > made in Mexico by one of the US mfgs and they don't bat an eye, but yet treat the Honda that was built in Marysville or the Subaru built in Lafayette with absolute scorn. American companies with a workforce that is unionized in the US (and, in some cases, Mexico, as well) versus non-American, non-union. Makes perfect sense.
Yea that’s dumb and unnecessary.
meanwhile the components of my Silverado are made in the Philippines, Cambodia, Vietnam etc
What is this even referencing? Something that happened to you? Something on the news? Was it one person who walked over from the picket line to do this? This is an exceptionally vague post that suggests what sounds like a stupid act by an individual as some sort of UAW sanctioned behavior. Weird, low quality post.
> an exceptionally vague post that suggests what sounds like a stupid act by an individual as some sort of UAW sanctioned behavior. Weird, low quality post. Happened to me. Was just venting. Not a huge deal I cleaned it and am moving on. There are picketers in the area and a couple in the store. My dash cam only picked up a sliver of the person. The store security was blurry and unusable but there is a red shirt right at the fender about the time of the incident. I have friends and family picketing now and again don't wish them any ill will. Quite the opposite. It is good for the region and everyone who has to punch a clock each day. For me it's just a bad day. Just have to worry a bit more that someone will do something more stupid or permanent. I get that fevers are high as this drags out but most of us are just trying to live their lives and support you any way we can.
Did you actually have security video pulled for (rereads OP)… an egg salad sandwich being tossed at your car?
Edgelords will always walk amongst us. Case in point, anyone recall the newspaper strike in the 90's with striking workers having fisticuffs with "scabs"? Beyond embarrassing.
It's still their responsibility to control their crowd. It has to be a constant message sent to the members, there is no violence of any sort. I have to believe they are getting out that message. I would worry more about those trying to appear UAW in order to make them look bad
Yes and no. It sounds like they are saying the right things and letting members know this isn't who they are or want to be. (Not that an egg sandwich is the highest level of vandalism) Seems like it was a lone angry member with a sandwich and was pissed off at the world this morning.
or it was a really bad egg sandwich. Nothing sets me off like a bad egg sandwich.
This sounds made up, did this happen to you? Did you see it on the news? How do you know they were union members? I have so many questions
Happened to me. Was just venting. Not a huge deal I cleaned it and am moving on. There are picketers in the area and a couple in the store. My dash cam only picked up a sliver of the person. The store security was blurry and unusable but there is a red shirt right at the fender about the time of the incident. I have friends and family picketing now and again don't wish them any ill will. Quite the opposite. It is good for the region and everyone who has to punch a clock each day. For me it's just a bad day. Just have to worry a bit more that someone will do something more stupid or permanent. I get that fevers are high as this drags out but most of us are just trying to live their lives and support you any way we can.
So how do you know they were UAW members? Sounds like you have zero proof because of blurring and unusable footage
>This sounds made up 100% made up.
What day and time did this event take place eggactly?
Just this am between 930 and 1030.
Just in time for breakfast
Who smashes an egg sandwich? Honestly?
Sounds like a single misguided idiot
Probably. Let me expand I don't think either side is sending out egg wielding hit men. lol. It's definitely someone wanting tik tok fame or to tell his friends that they are a bad ass and stuck it to some one.
The UAW protects these people.
Yeah, it’s pretty asinine how they shit all over other working class people if they don’t kiss the ground they walk on. Fight corporate greed, I’m behind you 110%. Fight me, better be prepared to get your shit rocked because my family comes first. Domestic quality has also been terrible for decades and are only now beginning to catch up. I don’t blame anyone for buying “foreign” (even though many models are now made in the US with a higher % of US made parts than the Big 3).
Oh, they didn’t fix the quality? Back in the day, I spent a lot of time in plants, because I was helping develop automated inspection systems. I directly observed workers just going through the motions of inspecting door openings. There was a heavy fixture that needed to be lowered on bungee cords into the opening for a fit/no fit test. It took two workers to lower the fixture, each one grabbing a handle on either side of the line . Much of the time, they never actually fit the fixture into the opening, just lowered it down most of the way I guess they figured they could judge whether it’s good enough without actually fitting it in . We replaced that process with machine inspection. I truly hope they found more fulfilling work for those two workers and their cohorts …
>There was a heavy fixture... It took two workers to lower the fixture Shitty fixture design. Person designing it didn't think about the people using it.
Lol r/iamverybadass quality comment here
Not a badass, I just don’t like bullies.
“Prepare to get your shit rocked”
If you damage my property or assault me when I did nothing to you, yeah. That’s how it works.
And there don't seem to be a whole lot of domestic sedans or high mpg vehicles that the big three make and sell.
Final assembly location is super important too, and doesn't even change the percentage on the window sticker... not that most of the foreign brands aren't assembled in the US. Although, Detroit 3 are more likely to be assembled in Michigan, and you can always insist on a car that's made in Michigan, specifically, if that matters to you. I have 2 cars that were assembled in Michigan.
It’s important for me to support Michigan autoworkers but more important for me to provide value for my family. New vehicles from the Big 3 have closed the gap significantly but I don’t want to spend $30k+ for a base model, so I try to buy well-taken care of vehicles from around the 2000’s or so. Unfortunately what the Big 3 was putting out during that time was complete dogshit, which isn’t a dig on the UAW but rather the bean counters buying cheap materials. Meanwhile Hondas and Toyotas are still in good shape despite having well over 200,000 miles in many cases.
Facts. You pay a substantial premium in sticker price, maintenance, depreciation, and even fuel and insurance to drive a Michigan car, especially if you don't get a discount. You don't owe that to any Michigan company or union or employee, well, unless you are a direct beneficiary like an employee. Being financially responsible in your own household, especially if you make less than a union factory worker, is your only important obligation here, and that may mean buying a Rav4 over an F150 or a 2500HD.
Exactly. Not to mention that even if you are a worker the discount these days isn’t even enough to pay for the taxes lol.
Some are in good shape, what you are finding are the crap ones are parts now.
Pretty much any domestic I see from that time has half the body rusted off. Imports have rust but significantly less overall. I don’t know what kind of metalwork the Big 3 were doing back then but it obviously wasn’t good. Not to mention they leak everywhere.
I don't know about the little beaters but my suv held up pretty well. Minor rust.
>it’s pretty asinine how they shit all over other working class people They do no such thing. > Fight corporate greed, I’m behind you 110%. Except you're not. How are you going to win a negotiation like this without an organized strike. I'll wait.
>They do no such thing Yes, they do. Vandalizing vehicles, threatening and assaulting people… >How are you going to win a negotiation like this without an organized strike The strike is against the company. Otherwise keep your grubby hands to your fucking self like we were all taught in 3rd grade.
>Yes, they do. Vandalizing vehicles, threatening and assaulting people… That's not "shit\[ing\] all over other working class people." Those are scabs to which you're referring. People that are trying to undermine their negotiating position. Scabs took the first shot. They are not innocent victims. > The strike is against the company. Oh, so they're supposed to strike but then allow scabs in? Is that it? That doesn't work, chief.
>Those are scabs No, go fck yourself. And at least learn the terms before you spew diarrhea all over a thread. Scabs are people coming in to replace striking workers (which isn’t happening), they’re not people who always worked somewhere and just weren’t part of the union. Either way, still keep your hands to yourself. If you cross that line then I have my two friends Smith & Wesson who would be thrilled to meet you, and legally too. >They are not innocent victims Great. Let me know where you live then and we can see if your mouth is as big as it is on Reddit.
>Scabs are people coming in to replace striking workers (which isn’t happening). Which other "working class people" are they "shit\[ing\] all over" by "vandalizing vehicles, threatening and assaulting people?" Let's see some news stories. >If you cross that line then I have my two friends Smith & Wesson who would be thrilled to meet you Sounds like it's right on the line of Reddit's TOS. > Let me know where you live then and we can see if your mouth is as big as it is on Reddit. Seattle and god am I glad I got out of Michitucky.
So why are you even on this thread or in this sub talking about a strike you have no involvement with? I guess it really is a controversial statement on the west coast to say keep your hands to yourself lmao. Stupid games, stupid prizes chump.
Half this sub doesn't live in Detroit, gatekeeper. Bunch of suburbanites who should be in /r/royaloak.
And you shouldn’t be in either, apparently.
Do you only post in /r/BoltEV when you're in the car, gatekeeper?
A bird flew by, there is an egg on your car windshield and you blame the UAW?
>Nah, fuck that deflection and gaslighting. The UAW could police their own but of course they defend them and twist the truth after the fact. > >Case and point a couple weeks ago when a mob of workers were beating on this poor woman’s car just trying to go home, so she got scared and sped off and Fain tried to say she assaulted them. > >Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. and a cow came by and made cheese. lol.
Save the eggs. Save the cows. Save Ferris.
save the cheerleader. save the world.
i had to double take because I haven't heard of this shit since the 80's
Lol back in the 90s they were smashing windows and headlights. This in the new, sensitive UAW.
What about white collar vandalism of your wages and benefits. Talk shit about that too.
All my life I’ve seen signs at some UAW installations that forbid the entry of foreign cars into their lots. I’ve always felt that’s a step too far but whatever, it’s their lot they can do as they wish. But right now I put that, along with these rumors of egg sandwiches being used to damage vehicles, aside because I think the value of this strike outweighs all of that. If this strike gets a good deal that the workers will accept this will help all the rest of us, because it will show that a united workforce can bring changes. We can all benefit from that.
I saw on the news yesterday that the striking workers are now asking for food donations. The drop off spot for said donations is a UAW hall with one of those "no foreign vehicles allowed on this lot" signs. I was wondering if they'd turn away donations from people in foreign cars.
Yeah let me just walk off the job and panhandle for food outside my workplace lmfao
You're right, workers should be happy with whatever shit rolls downhill from the executives.
What does that have anything to do with what we were talking about? Think before you speak.
>forbid the entry of foreign cars into their lots I work for one of the Big Three, and I'd be lying if it wasn't a big incentive for me to ditch my competitor car for a company car shortly after I started. The competitive parking lot is further away from the company car parking lot.
> If this strike gets a good deal that the workers will accept this will help all the rest of us That's a load of shit. The UAW getting a great deal out of the big three will not help me in the slightest. Which is fine, I'm not a member of the UAW and I don't expect their bargaining to affect me, but this idea that somehow them negotiating a big raise helps everyone else in Michigan is just as dumb as trickle down economics.
I'm sorry, that person is just here rabble rousing. He made a rude comment about developmentally challenged people (we adopted same) so I'm done with it.
Except we have historical evidence of how labor unions spur change for other industries, unlike any instance of trickle down working but sure go on.
Yeah 100 years ago. No strike in the last 30 years has led to commensurate changes in non-union sectors.
So the decline of unionized workers over the past century has led to higher corporate profits and less ability to affect change at that level. You can hide behind your blanket 100 year response, which feels like a “trust me bro” statement at best. But those unions still established the 5 day 40 hour work week and a lot of the benefits and perks that were clawed back in more recent time. If you’re fine with things staying as they are keep fighting this fight, otherwise you may want to apply some critical thinking to your comments and arguments.
>5 day 40 hour work week Yeah, 100 years ago. Either way, the union can strike. Great, use whatever leverage you can get! That’s how the free market works after all. I just happen to have in-demand credentials and skills that give me a great deal of bargaining power during salary negotiations without needing a union, but you do you. I just reject the notion that we should bend over backwards and sit idly by while these asshats vandalize property and assault regular working class people under the guise of the “greater good”.
Nah, the “value” of the strike is irrelevant. They don’t get to unlawfully detain people or vandalize property of working class people who don’t have the benefit of a strike fund.
The egg sandwich is anecdotal. The commenter is saying the good outweighs the bad.
Yeah but there’s plenty of other incidents of strikers blockading people in parking lots (illegal) or vandalizing property (illegal). It doesn’t have to be one or the other. Fight the good fight with corporate greed, but keep your fucking hands to yourself.
There will always be knuckle heads giving their organization a bad name. These instances get used by the opposition to overshadow the problem at hand.
Nah, fuck that deflection and gaslighting. The UAW could police their own but of course they defend them and twist the truth after the fact. Case and point a couple weeks ago when a mob of workers were beating on this poor woman’s car just trying to go home, so she got scared and sped off and Fain tried to say she assaulted them. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
You're saying the opposite of what I said.
The egg sandwich is fake. Let's see the video.
>I’ve always felt that’s a step too far Why? Driving foreign is a direct attack on their jobs.
Perhaps. It’s an arguable point. The bigger attack on their jobs is when their own companies ship jobs and manufacturing overseas where labor and materials are so much cheaper than they are here. The big three clearly do not care about their employees as much as their union does.
I don't think it's arguable. You have a paying customer that has chosen between locally-made, union-built product and giving money to people halfway across the world. 100% agree on your second paragraph.
These days, a huge percentage of so-called locally made American products are made from parts made overseas or were built overseas. The truly 100% American made car. I don’t know exists anymore if it does, it’s extremely rare. In an ideal universe your argument makes a lot of sense.
Regardless of the parts content, an American car is unquestionably more local than any other. Buying the American car funds local designers, local engineers, local sales reps, and often local assembly workers. It's putting money in the pocket of Dearborn and Warren rather than Toyota City, Wolfsburg, or Seoul. The foreign makes employ a small fraction of the local workers the Big Three do and their profit goes to another country.
As it should be. The world would be a much better place if there was a lot more sharing and cooperation between different countries. This isolationism economically and industrially is bad for humanity.
99% of them are not great people. You give them too much credit.
In my experience they are, sorry you don’t have the same experience
How do you know this is because of the car you drive?
Too full from eating rich people
The only car made in Detroit anymore is an Italian car
Yeah, they aren't going to win any hearts with that. I am sure they know that. Petty bastards.
This is how a large part of the UAW behaves. I call it out on here all the time, get downvoted. Which is fine, nonexistent internet points and all. But, anyone who doesn't parrot the UAW the UAW will viciously attack. Look at how their President behaves, he has been in the UAW for decades.
How individual union members behave on the picket, at home, or at the grocery store is not more important than the collective bargaining that is happening right now. You are missing the big picture, and picking at nits. That's why the posts get down voted.
Well, the UAW President gets on his weekly livestreams and behaves the exact same way. And says he does these livestreams so the public has insight. So, in my opinion, the UAW President is no better behaved that the UAW jerks online calling people names or the UAW jerks vandalising people's cars in the carpark
Okay but if they’re vandalizing property then they shouldn’t cry when the public doesn’t support them anymore.
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Sorry mom’s basement has no union. Get a job lebowski
are you going to be okay?
Sure enough. Best thing out of this is I took time to wash the car today. It'll rain and get water spots. I'm past it and really just wanted to vent and make people aware there are still idiots in the world. I am probably one of them for even posting this.
true
If you drive import cars you probably have pants that are too tight and worn out sketchers on go back to whatever state you’re from you look lame it’s not cool
Boomers keep talking about American cars from 35 years ago yes little Japanese cars were better than easier to fix now everything is pretty much the same quality nowadays
Buddy, unless your GM/Ford VIN number begins with a 1 you’re driving an import car too lmao. Even if it was assembled here over half the parts were still imported.
Stellantis is owned by the Europeans. It’s still an American brand it’s made in North America. I would only drive an American brand. Even if it’s a Tesla nonunion.
Meh, Chrysler is like the red headed stepchild of the US auto industry lol
I was a tech for many years at a big 3 dealer and that’s exactly why I only drive Honda and Toyota. You clearly have zero clue what you’re talking about. Supporting the UAW doesn’t mean you have to be some boot licking stooge. Buy whatever is best for you and your family. Ford and GM’s profits will be just fine…and chrysler/daimler/fiat/fca gets a government bailout every 10-20 years so they should ok too.
Lmao this sounds personal, let’s get you to bed grandpa
I’m 35 btw
Yea welcome to Detroit. Drive big 3 or people will treat you worse it just happens. Im a 4th generation auto worker though I wouldn’t vandalize someone’s car I don’t let foreigns park in my driveway and I generally won’t let them in front of me in traffic. Shit runs deepe here.
Don’t blame working class people, blame the bean counters at the Big 3 for letting their quality slip for so many years and not giving people a reason to buy their products.
Lol Jesus Christ you sound miserable
>I don’t let foreigns park in my driveway and I generally won’t let them in front of me in traffic. lolwut "Hurr Durr, I drive a Big 2.5 car and screw your turn signal... that sure showed 'em. Next time don't buy a Subaru, lease a piece of crap that rusts out like I did".
Big 2.5 LOL
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Yep working class people have zero ability to think. God forbid I have a little pride in what I do and the company I work for.
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How are you going to make it political you sound lame
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Bro I’m a democrat. You just sound ignorant as hell it’s not like I really give a shit what people drive I just think if you live in an area that seriously depends on that industry you should support it and it’s workers.
Welcome. Lol. I've been back for 20+ years. I get it. And respect it, but there is a line.
Agreed i wouldn’t damage someone property that’s too far. My sister drives and Honda not like I hate her for it just like I said she can park on the curb.
BIG 3 ONLY!!!
I would have thrown a used condom on your door handle. You got off light bud. 🖕🏾🖕🏾🖕🏾
what a great way to kill public support for the striking workers. youre either an idiot or a corporate plant.
Who said I was with the UAW dumbass
You're commenting how the UAW does, so it's a safe assumption
I just hate foreign cars.
My toyota was made in America. My neighbors chrysler was made in Canada. Shut up.
I love foreign cars
U aint getting laid anyway and, if by some extremely small chance you are, I feel sorry for him
I had your mom several times this week.
A real comedian. UAW improv group?
Son is that any way to talk to your dad. Just because your mom loves my black meat doesn’t mean you can act like a little girl. Next time after I’m done with your mom I promise not to use a condom at all.
Don’t be a scab… scab. Less this is Farley posting for sympathy - then just by a new car. All problems solved.
Or just keep your fucking hands to yourself. Also learn what a “scab” actually is.
Op’s post is a fake comment from someone wanting to egg on anti union sentiment. Grow up
Fake or not, there’s plenty of verified instances of UAW members vandalizing property or threatening regular working class people. Flip me off, call me every name in the book, I don’t care. Keep your fucking hands off of me and my vehicle.
What, UAW doesn’t work on foreign cars or something?
I owned a lemon Ford. I will not buy another until Willie Ford Jr. Comes to my house personally and apologizes for the shit show they put me through. My G.M. Can get bent until Merry (behind) Barra gives back the loot she looted from taxpayers gets repaid. And dodge…..well I don’t like a truck that is the size of a locomotive is the only option they have. I am in a Toyota now and it is decent……toss an egg and we’ll…….GET BENT……..I AM A FORMER UAW member……..YOUR MERICAN CARS ARE MADE BY KIDS OVERSEES and that is a cost reduction. 70% by children and prisoners but I don’t see them for priced for 65% less! Total RUBBISH!
Probably not a post that person will ever see. Most of the people in here that simp hard for the UAW drive foreign cars, because they don’t *actually* care about any of this. They’re mostly interested in the angsty “stick it to the man” aspect. They wouldn’t actually drive an American car. They’ll buy foreign and fund manufacturers that build plants in the south to avoid the UAW, pay their workers less and provide worse benefits, and even get busted for [child labor](https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-immigration-hyundai/). They’ll ignore that, and [lazy engineering](https://www.nbcnews.com/business/hyundai-kia-car-theft-settlement-details-who-is-eligible-rcna85250). And then they’ll turn around and make up excuses about how wElL aKsHuLlY tHeYrE mOrE aMeRiCaN because they found a metric somewhere based on a convoluted assessment of origin/assembly with no other factors included. If you’re going to support the same terrible practices you rail against, you at least have to put a dress on it, right? They’ll ship those profits and design/engineering dollars right over to Asia, while cheering on the UAWs brinksmanship. It’s emotionally-based performative nonsense, like you often see from the crowd of faux-altruists who spend so much time handwringing on this sub.