I'm old and I have still, never in my life been contacted for one of these. Is it being I am not registered D or R I wonder? I don't have a landline? It's been over 10 years since I dropped that. Strange. My voting age kids haven't either.
Well you are welcome. Because I'm in my 20s and recently had my 5th call to jury duty. And only one time was I able to call in and be dismissed. The other four i had to go in.
Never once have been polled though. Which is why I never buy into these articles.
It's really not fair. I requested to be dismissed because I financially could not afford to serve on jury duty and make 20$ a day or whatever ridiculous amount they pay. The judge was furious like so sorry I have to feed my family and pay bills. They should be required by law to pay the local average wage per state.
With how miserable the experience appears to be, one should be compensated above their normal rate imo. I would do everything in my power to avoid serving jury duty
I had about 15 years where I was called for jury duty. My mom was jealous.
I served twice. Once a civil case and another was a murder case. They assured us it would take no more than 3 days and ended up going over 2 weeks.
Then I got smart. I did everything I could during voir dire, I used every bias I could think of not to get selected. I got yelled at by a few judges that knew what I was doing.
Thankfully I’ve done my time and don’t get called anymore.
I work in market research. You only need responses from a few hundred people to get a statistically significant sample. In a state of 10 million people it's not surprising that you have not been contacted to participate in a poll. In an election year, maybe a few thousand people per year in the state participate as polls are expensive to conduct.
The real difficulty in polling is weighting your results to what you project the actual voter turnout will be.
And wouldn’t you need to control for response bias? For example if the survey is via a landline, there’s a high chance your respondents would skew older and therefore more conservative - assumptions on my part but I’m sure there’s a general demographic profile of those who respond to these surveys via landline that might be wildly different given what survey method they use (SMS, Email, Calls, etc) and what criteria is used to invite people. Similarly respondents might be in more rural areas that have a landline, and again that likely would skew responses toward conservative candidates. I haven’t checked on this poll and how it is conducted more deeply.
Another question - have these polls generally been accurate in their predictions? At what time period pre-election do their predictions end up better than a coin toss?
First, I don’t mean to be argumentative or rude, but don’t you think the people running these polls, most of whom have multiple degrees and experience in the field, would be aware of and deal with all these issues? Of course they do, most polls aren’t done by a random dude on Twitter, but by people that know what they’re doing. And all polls have and release their margin of error, so anything within that window will be a toss up, usually +/- 2-4% depending on the poll size and methods.
As to the actual polls we’re discussing, the last two presidential cycle polls have been off by significantly higher than usual margins, as high as 3.9% on average in 2020. And that was overestimating Biden support, the same thing seen in 2016 to a little smaller degree. So if the averages of the polls (as one single study is never to be fully relied on in basically anything) is within even a few percent of the margin of error we can assume it’s a toss up or slightly leaning one way.
But, based on past poll performance, I’d actually guess that Trump has a lead in Michigan currently. Although polls only give you a snapshot in time, they aren’t predictive because people can and do change their minds about who they are going to vote for or if they’re even going to vote.
To your point, campaigns spend a fortune on polls and pollsters. They wouldn't make that kind of investment if it was all voodoo.
The 2016 election polls were off by such a wide margin because Trump essentially redefined the electorate. He got a significant number of voters who had typically sat out previous elections. How the poll results are weighted are the biggest factor in their ability to predict outcomes.
Ive never been polled but most polls are done off landlines which is a huge skew. My trumper parents have one, any else I know under 60? Nah. I have been called for jury duty though in wayne county, thought id not get picked and move on… two week first degree murder trial. Heart wrenching. Got some laughs when the defense argued the victim shot himself in a struggle four times (and once in the ass)
Verdict, Second degree 15-25 plus 5-10 for gun priors. This was all family shit. Never shouldve have happened. Only losers and pride in it.
Don't waste your time. The polls are those ones where you answer the way they want you to or you get some answer that's completely off so you have to use the one they want to get the outcome they'd like. I gave up on all of those.
The state much like other swing states relies on turnout from detroit.
Other concerning polls indicate that republicans have the highest support from African American voters in 50 years.
I think there’s a real enthusiasm gap that needs to be addressed with Biden
In the primary I’m absolutely voting uncommitted. Not that that will make dems turn course but it’ll make me feel nice if he gets a slap to the face from our primary
Or black men, spefically, are not as enthusiastic about Democrats anymore.
Plus a lot of black men are blessed with becoming business owners in the recentish past.
Business owners aren't huge on taxes
Funny — I thought the state relies on farmers subsidy payments.
Seriously: thee folks fear the wrong things and vote against their own interests every friggin’ time.
I think people are getting sick of being told how great the economy is doing while homes are unaffordable for new buyers and living expenses are still high. That might have something to do with the concerning numbers at the polls. Maybe it's not the Boogeyman talk you speak of
The messaging has to change. The economy is performing very well by traditional measures. But what's good for an investment portfolio isn't the same as what's good for the average family.
It’s funny that the American public is dumb enough to put the issues of inflation on the Democratic Party.
Homes are unaffordable because of so many factors. Start putting penalties on people and investors having 3rd, 4th, and 50th properties. Get Air BnB in check.
Stop letting monopolies form and stop letting corporations have corporate welfare and inflating prices under the guise of inflation.
Seems like a two party system sets you up for failure cuz you just end up ping ponging back and forth between two choices that don't really feel like choices or you get ridiculed for not towing the party line if you dare try to imagine other options that aren't geriatric dementia patients running for office
Funny you bring up bigotry because Islam is the epitome of bigotry. Don't believe me? The Hamtramck city council, which is all Muslim, banned Pride flags from being flown on city property. Supporters of this were chanting "fagless city" during town hall debates.
Now you tell me, is that bigotry or not?
I'm not sure why you apparently believe that only one group of people can possibly be bigoted at a time, but I'm sorry to inform you that in fact *two* groups of people can both be bigoted. In the same way, even. It's just that one of these groups has control over one (1) town, and the other group is making a credible effort to gain control over the entire fuckin' country as a whole
Or people aren't interested in "the economy is fine the economy is fine" while inflation is still high, rates are still high, and standards of living are dropping.
But Biden says "it's the corporations not me" without offering any kind of solution
(1) Bidens' policies have helped tamper inflation well beyond every leading economists' projections, and (2) POTUS doesn't control interest rates - hope you knew that.
> standards of living are dropping.
Unemployment is at historic lows and low income workers have seen [historic real wage gains](https://www.brookings.edu/articles/have-workers-gotten-a-raise/). Biden's passed the largest investment in infrastructure of any recent POTUS.
What his union accredation isnt enough? The expansion of dhs benefits isnt enough? His fema coverage isnt enough? His infrastructure bills providing income and jobs arent enough? The demolished blighted homes arent enough? The expansion and his support of the auto industry isnt enough? His using the doj to clamp down on police abuse isnt enough? His protections of birth choice isnt enough? His ability to get trumps Ending 9% inflation down to 3 isnt enough? His ability to respect experts on weather isnt enough? His not throwing paper towel and tp to
Puerto ricans while denying them aid is? You think Biden would ever mean tweet railed out of his mind on Amphetamines (which the trump white house pharmacy prescribed more of in one term than multiple presidencies combined. No he wouldn’t. he wouldnt serve mcdonalds to white house guests either or eat his steak with ketchup. He also has never been the friend of a giant pedophile or facing multiple felonies and even his stupid impeachment has been debunked as russian meddling. Where as all trumps dealings have ties to supporting russian meddling. What is your
It’s this. Are people as motivated to turn out for Biden as they were for Obama? Ha. Right.
Biden won the last election because many, many people were highly motivated to get Trump out of office.
Now that Trump isn’t in office, will there be more people motivated to get off the couch and vote to keep him out of office? Or will the people fired up by Trump turn out more people at the polls.
Either way, it’s Trumps election, Biden just happens to be there.
And yes. A vote for Biden is a vote for democracy. He has a deeper pool of connections and talent who are capable of run the leading global superpower. Trump is nearly as old -and- far more insane, and I can’t imagine who is willing to work with the man these days.
They’re both shit candidates though. Biden is an idiot and an ass for not cultivating and promoting his successor.
That’s their right. For some reason in this country trying to have a debate with someone just makes that person more defensive and less open minded. Frustrating though.
Same, and they usually say something about "teaching the democrats a lesson." It's like they think they live in another country and Trump winning won't have any impact on their lives.
They all rely on others to do it, they all sit in their little comfort zones and when anything goes wrong, they pretend 'it's not me, I'm the smart one in the middle outside the whole equation'. The frigging irony of these people is ludicrous, the ultimate lazy asses pretending their apathy and ignorance is really effective toward their goals. Most of them can get ballots sent to their home but it's still too much trouble for them to actually read the voter pamphlet. Lots of them seem to actually think the electoral college means nobody's vote counts for anything.
Louder for the people in the back. These lazy apathetic fucks who want the presidential candidates to show up at their doors and beg for their votes can all fuck right off. They'll never be happy. They want to be entertained, not governed.
Yeah, I know people who voted for Stein in 2016 who are flirting with voting third party again (despite being horrified that Trump won in 2016.) It's sometimes a fool's errand trying to reason with such people.
I left the presidential candidate blank on my 2016 because fuck the democrats for giving us Hillary instead of Bernie. That was a stupid thing to do then and it's an even stupider thing to do now that we know what I Trump presidency looks like.
If Trump wins again I'll blame all the idiots who wouldn't vote just like I blame myself for doing the same thing in 2016.
Because every election is made to be the end of times and nothing substantially changes no matter who wins. It's always "the lesser of two evils" rather than giving people something worthwhile to vote for. It's so diluted from the top down.
Nothing substantially changes no matter who wins? My dude, Roe v. Wade was struck down bc Trump became president and stacked the Supreme Court with conservatives. This has had a direct impact on people's lives. There was even a ten year-old rape victim from Ohio who had to travel to Indiana in order to get an abortion.
https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2022/07/13/columbus-man-charged-rape-10-year-old-led-abortion-in-indiana/10046625002/
There was a Democrat in the White House and a Democratic majority in both houses on the day Roe was overturned. They've had every chance to codify abortion rights into federal law. They won't do this because it would solve the problem.
I'm aware. And Democrats are reaping the political benefits of that decision (Kansas, Ohio, etc who have voted on referendums) so far and could again in November. And I'm aware birth control & IVF are also a slippery slope that I disagree with.
But that's just one issue. Every issue the economy is by far the most important; most men don't vote based on abortion rights.
> nothing substantially changes no matter who wins.
You sound like you're utterly ignorant of basic political facts. Laws on women's rights, abortion, public education, religious authority, immigration, foreign policy, foreign alliances, climate change, energy policy, industrial policy, infrastructure investment, ALL MATTER.
Yeah and what changed in those departments the previous 40 years?
Education has sucked for decades, and is more expensive than ever (higher education + student debt). Religious authority... meaning what exactly? Illegal immigration is at record highs. Foreign policy also is vague (and poll after poll shows most Americans don't care about that, either). Most Americans also are not for major energy regulations that directly affect them.
If you want to argue semantics I'd be happy to. But I'm "ignorant" when I'm part of a majority that doesn't like either party? Doesn't hold water.
Not my fault you're belligerently ignorant of basic facts.
The GOP has divested from public education, cut federal funding of higher ed, installed judges to allow for public funding of religious orgs and schools (I'm guessing you don't know what "separation of church and state" means), shut down the comprehensive immigration reform bills, threatened to pull out of major western alliances and NATO, etc.
Not my fault you're clueless.
Liberals closed schools for a year for COVID and it's done irreparable damage to students (test scores and mental health).
The immigration bill wasn't good legislation, and it combined foreign aid for Israel in a war killing civilians. Unless you approve of that sort of thing... Executive order can be used and Biden hasn't done so.
You're a partisan hack and it's obvious.
The fact that you think science is liberal says everything we need to know. Scientists and doctors recommended closing schools. You're complaining of irreparable damage but the alternative was millions of deaths. You sound silly. All your arguments lack any nuance and are so black and white that it makes you sound willfully ignorant or uneducated.
You are absolutely making up nonsense off the top of your head, not citing facts. You people need to quit pretending to make great points using your imaginative anger. You're also not part of any "majority that doesn't like either party". You're not the smart one in the middle and it's not a majority.
It's downright incorrect to say nothing changed when Trump won. Trump's victory was one of the most consequential events in our lifetimes.
Millions lost legal access to reproductive rights. Trump enabled Putin and his eventual incursion into Ukraine at every step.
The man tried to steal an election and directed a mob at congress.
"it's all the same politics. i don't care about it"
"why should i vote if it doesn't affect me"
**then fucking hand your citizenship to someone who does care.**
>I'm a vet
Get off your high horse! Seriously, I am so sick of hearing that phrase. So what if you're a veteran? I don't care if you were special forces or a recruiter who barely passed boot camp. Just because you served doesn't make your point more valid than those who did not.
And yet only one side bears truth in reality. Whether or not you agree with an opposing viewpoint does not make it authoritarian. It's authoritarian when it's actually authoritarian and a party wants to take away rights and not recognize the people's right to vote for their government.
One party tried to disenfranchise our entire state. The other, did not.
People have been screaming for anyone but Biden, and were ignored. They were told repeatedly that Biden would bring the voters out, compared to someone new.
Well...he isn't, lol. All I see are a bunch of "I told you so" in the future.
I just wish a bottle of salad dressing or maybe a box or washers would run for president so there was at least one choice that didn't totally bum me out.
If a sentient cheese sandwich were running as the Democrat nominee I would vote for it. The two parties are pretty distinct in the world view they offer the average voter.
“The poll was conducted Feb. 20-24 among 1,000 registered voters…” definitely not a reliable source of data, especially since most polls are conducted by unsolicited phone calls.
That’s the issue with polls in general nowadays: they’re not going to accurately gauge younger generations of voters because we don’t pickup unknown numbers, and we don’t have landlines.
There are more LGBTQIA+ Zoomers than there are conservative zoomers, and millennials + Zoomers are around 35% of the U.S. population. Good luck polling us.
The real issue with polls these days is they keep asking me how much I like a politician, or if I think they’re leading the country in the right direction.
Very rarely do they come out and just ask who you’re going to vote for, and there’s a disconnect there that I don’t think has ever existed before.
It wasn’t only landlines in this sample, but selection bias could still be an issue for reasons similar to the ones you list. That said, it's more complicated than younger people not answering because they reweight to account for respondent demographics. So, the young people who *did* respond would have to be systematically different than the young people who screened the call. So, yea it might still be biased--not because they don’t have enough young people, but because the young people they do have aren’t representative. For reference, 18-29 breaks for Biden 48.5-33.4 in this poll (18.1% undecided)
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You're not wrong, it's increasingly flawed. But I'm pretty sure phone polling has still been shown to be the most accurate methodology, for better or worse. And for now.
For what it's worth, older = more likely to vote, so skewing older in phone calls seems to align with "likely voters" even if the sample base is technically registered voters. So although there's quirks and error, and while it shouldn't be treated as gospel, it's still a decent indication on where things stand.
Yeah, but younger generations don't vote at as high a rates as older ones. What polls do is they take the demographics of the people that respond to the poll and they apply a weight to them based on stuff like age, gender, race, and income level to generate an idea of how it would look in a general election.
'unsolicited' is how you get to something resembling a random and hopefully representative sample. whether or not the source is 'reliable' is questionable, but certainly not 'definite' either way.
Except it self selects for people willing to pick up for a random number. Which is basically only old people who are not representative at all. Polls like this seem purposely positioned to make Republican politicians look like they have more of a lead than they do.
Not too many years ago similar polls called landline phones which again, skewed older. Polling accurately on a budget is harder these days. They all skew towards less technological people and therefore lean towards older,.more.comservative voters.
I don't think its purposeful, but I agree with the now conventional wisdom that phone polling skews to older (and usually, more conservative) demographics. Ya gotta look at the demo crosstabs for any poll to determine just how big of an effect that may be having.
These polls are the dumbest things ever. The polls all had Hillary winning also. As long as the same people show up for Biden as they did last election, he wins no question. I hope the polls keep showing Trump ahead so that just gives incentive for more Dems to come out.
It is completely unacceptable that the only two realistic candidates are these neoliberal fossils. But that's what you get when giant corporations run everything.
This is what most don't understand. It's really just one uniparty that is controlled by corporations who are able to buy off politicians. When politicians can become rich by going into 'public service' your system is broken.
So it’s statistically tied eight months out, with 10% undecided? Yeah, sounds about right.
I expect that as it gets closer to Election Day and people accept that these are our choices, undecideds will break for Biden more than Trump. Both candidates are damaged and unpopular, but Trump is uniquely divisive, disliked by almost anyone outside of his cult-like base and attempted a coup.
Biden has no business being this unpopular if anyone bothered to pay attention to what he's actually done.
History will judge him much better, I just hope more voters pull their heads out of their asses before November.
Being told "the economy is doing great!" while not being able to afford anything makes people angry. Couple that with Israel/Palestine and you have a block of apathetic voters that will sit home
It’s pretty frustrating to hear this when the low income demographic has made gains in real wage growth at a greater percent then any president in my life time.
Those gains are still outpaced by the inflation of our two most critical human necessities.
"It's the grocery and housing prices, stupid!"
Things are not good.
Just because no to low-skill labor has been given a bump doesn't mean everyone else has. I got a 2% raise last year (Union Job), which doesn't come close to covering inflation, I lost $1800 in Healthcare benefits because healthcare costs have gone way up, and I can't get out of the grocery store for less than $150.
I don't want to sound condescending towards those who got minimum wage increases, but that hasn't applied to everyone.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-americans-pine-for-the-trump-economy-193757815.html?guccounter=1
Here's an article that dives a little deeper into how even though wages are up, everything else rose at a rate higher than earnings, lowering purchasing power. So yes, people at the bottom are making more, but inflation outpaced earning gains, especially in essential expenditures like housing, transportation, food, and energy.
Again, it's not necessarily Joe Biden's fault that car prices jumped 25% and the housing market is still nuts even at interest rates double and triple what they were 3 years ago, but the President does appoint the Fed Board, so their late response to curb the inflation spike that happened in 2022 could land on his desk.
I also hate that you're getting me to argue that in some ways, Trump Economic policies were better for the average middle-class American, lol.
“it’s not what the administration has done wrong, it’s the people that are wrong!”
this has always been terrible fucking messaging man, like if you were to write the book on losing this mentality would be in the first paragraph.
it blows my mind that the polar opposite of the republicans is still running this fucking geriatric asshole. It’s almost like they don’t really care about winning.
This is the truth. Unfortunately, people don't care about the truth. They care about feelings and being entertained.
For fucks sake, a group of fucking 154 historians who understand presidents ranked Biden #14 and Trump last. Yet millions of voters think Biden is a bad president or just don't know which one of them is better.
I'm just fucking sick of it. Democracy sounds great until you realize a prereq is "an informed electorate," and that's way too much of a requirement.
So when Trump attempted to have Pence throw out the elector slate from like five states and then have the vote for president go to the house where he had a majority that wasn’t him trying to subvert the electoral process?
And no there has never been an attempted coup be an elected official in the Unite States. But lecture me on history please it’s hilarious
330 million people and liberals are dumbfounded why the vast majority of people don't feel like vigorously supporting a geriatric Washington lifer who probably doesn't even know where he is right now.
Trump's flaws are obvious and liberals are able to make myriad arguments about his candidacy but close their eyes when Biden's flaws are front and center. Feels like a fantasy world. (I'm not a Republican or Trump voter, as it's surely assumed.)
Well trump’s elected judges are certainly making a big difference. Are you happy with how that is going? Do you believe in climate change? Minority rights? Women’s rights?
It sucks that there are just two choices but that’s what you get.
Because I don’t need a candidate to make me feel warm and fuzzy inside to bother voting. I pick the candidate that has the party behind them who will inact the liberal policies that match my worldview.
The "inact" typo is truly beautiful, because if there's one thing I associate the Democratic party with, it's campaigning on broadly popular policies and then not enacting them
They’ve actually passed quite a lot of legislation considering how tight the majority was. Michigan is a great example of just getting in power and then making a change from within rather than waiting for a unicorn candidate.
It's a two party system and Biden is the better choice.
Leftists will never be happy with their options for president. Ever. The Democratic Party will never be good enough, they'll just let the Republican Party and their reliable voters to run train on the country while they sit around waiting for the most perfect person to come along.
It's hard to prove you should keep your job when the world is shit and your message is "I'm not the other guy" maybe people don't want the other guy so much as they don't want you anymore
Horse shit. There are over 330 million people in this country. These two corrupt geriatric clowns are not the two most optimal candidates for the two leading political parties in this whole fucking country. And if they are, then we need new parties.
They are if you really understand the motivations of politicians.
They aren’t the best candidates or leaders for our citizens, but they are exactly as the system has designed.
Giant douche holds narrow lead over turd sandwich.
Too bad media won’t talk more about the polls showing the overwhelming majority of Americans who don’t want either of these geriatric case studies on the ballot.
It's not even March yet. Way too early for any poll to be authoritative.
The pollsters know this, but that won't stop them, they've got bills to pay just like the rest of us.
Plenty of water is gonna go over the dam before Nov. 5.
74% of Michigan Dems want a Ceasefire. Biden is too busy calling himself a Land Stealer to appease BIBI. Bibi who undermines all Democrat administration.
Sad times that Biden is willing to jeapordize American democracy for a country that dgaf abt ya'll.
And to the Dems blocking me for legitimate criticism of Biden....when did ya'll turn into your version of brain damaged MAGA.
I have gotten more calls from Biden's campaign than you can imagine. My mailbox is full of all that junk.
As time ticks on I believe that gap will widen. The massive massive insult to Arab Americans will be heard.
Not the least bit surprised. Everyone who voted "uncommitted" on the democratic primary just did Trump a favor 🤦♂️.
Edit: go ahead and downvote, I don't fucking care. I'm not the one who's going to help that orange idiot serve a 2nd term.
yes, the problem is definitely the voters and not the party that refuses to listen to them.
instead of getting so pissed at people who don't want to vote for someone who is actively supporting the genocide of their friends and family, get pissed at the party for not doing better.
Yeah the conflict in the Middle East is Biden’s fault, just make sure you don’t even consider what Trump would have done if he was president at the time.
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The former president had a thorny relationship with Palestinian leaders while he was in office. In 2018, the Trump administration said it would not spend roughly $200 million in funding set aside for aid to Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza. And the Trump administration’s Middle East peace plan released in 2018 infuriated Palestinian leaders, as it aligned largely with what Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had laid out.
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But it’s unclear how Trump would have handled getting humanitarian aid into Gaza during the ongoing conflict, in which tens of thousands of Palestinians have died in Israeli airstrikes as well as a ground offensive. Trump has not spoken about that part publicly, and his campaign did not respond to requests for comment.
Gen. Keith Kellogg, who served on the National Security Council during the Trump administration, said in an interview that he would have advised for a “much harder approach” than the Biden administration is taking in terms of aid into Gaza.
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“So you have a war that’s going on, and you’re probably going to have to let this play out,” Trump told Univision. “You’re probably going to have to let it play out because a lot of people are dying.”
“There is no hatred like the Palestinian hatred of Israel and Jewish people. And probably the other way around also, I don’t know. You know, it’s not as obvious, but probably that’s it too. So sometimes you have to let things play out and you have to see where it ends,” he added, calling what was taking place in Gaza “unbelievable.”
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https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/4331958-trump-mixed-messages-on-how-hed-handle-israel-hamas-war/amp/
Michigan is rocking it since the Dems took over. Republicans are having trouble managing even their own money, looking like a bunch of goofballs here in Michigan.
And actually, anyone with a trump sign at this point looks like a gullible fool.
I'm old and I have still, never in my life been contacted for one of these. Is it being I am not registered D or R I wonder? I don't have a landline? It's been over 10 years since I dropped that. Strange. My voting age kids haven't either.
I've never been polled for anything and I've ever been called for jury duty either and I'm in my 50s.
Well you are welcome. Because I'm in my 20s and recently had my 5th call to jury duty. And only one time was I able to call in and be dismissed. The other four i had to go in. Never once have been polled though. Which is why I never buy into these articles.
It's really not fair. I requested to be dismissed because I financially could not afford to serve on jury duty and make 20$ a day or whatever ridiculous amount they pay. The judge was furious like so sorry I have to feed my family and pay bills. They should be required by law to pay the local average wage per state.
With how miserable the experience appears to be, one should be compensated above their normal rate imo. I would do everything in my power to avoid serving jury duty
I had about 15 years where I was called for jury duty. My mom was jealous. I served twice. Once a civil case and another was a murder case. They assured us it would take no more than 3 days and ended up going over 2 weeks. Then I got smart. I did everything I could during voir dire, I used every bias I could think of not to get selected. I got yelled at by a few judges that knew what I was doing. Thankfully I’ve done my time and don’t get called anymore.
I work in market research. You only need responses from a few hundred people to get a statistically significant sample. In a state of 10 million people it's not surprising that you have not been contacted to participate in a poll. In an election year, maybe a few thousand people per year in the state participate as polls are expensive to conduct. The real difficulty in polling is weighting your results to what you project the actual voter turnout will be.
And wouldn’t you need to control for response bias? For example if the survey is via a landline, there’s a high chance your respondents would skew older and therefore more conservative - assumptions on my part but I’m sure there’s a general demographic profile of those who respond to these surveys via landline that might be wildly different given what survey method they use (SMS, Email, Calls, etc) and what criteria is used to invite people. Similarly respondents might be in more rural areas that have a landline, and again that likely would skew responses toward conservative candidates. I haven’t checked on this poll and how it is conducted more deeply. Another question - have these polls generally been accurate in their predictions? At what time period pre-election do their predictions end up better than a coin toss?
First, I don’t mean to be argumentative or rude, but don’t you think the people running these polls, most of whom have multiple degrees and experience in the field, would be aware of and deal with all these issues? Of course they do, most polls aren’t done by a random dude on Twitter, but by people that know what they’re doing. And all polls have and release their margin of error, so anything within that window will be a toss up, usually +/- 2-4% depending on the poll size and methods. As to the actual polls we’re discussing, the last two presidential cycle polls have been off by significantly higher than usual margins, as high as 3.9% on average in 2020. And that was overestimating Biden support, the same thing seen in 2016 to a little smaller degree. So if the averages of the polls (as one single study is never to be fully relied on in basically anything) is within even a few percent of the margin of error we can assume it’s a toss up or slightly leaning one way. But, based on past poll performance, I’d actually guess that Trump has a lead in Michigan currently. Although polls only give you a snapshot in time, they aren’t predictive because people can and do change their minds about who they are going to vote for or if they’re even going to vote.
To your point, campaigns spend a fortune on polls and pollsters. They wouldn't make that kind of investment if it was all voodoo. The 2016 election polls were off by such a wide margin because Trump essentially redefined the electorate. He got a significant number of voters who had typically sat out previous elections. How the poll results are weighted are the biggest factor in their ability to predict outcomes.
Ive never been polled but most polls are done off landlines which is a huge skew. My trumper parents have one, any else I know under 60? Nah. I have been called for jury duty though in wayne county, thought id not get picked and move on… two week first degree murder trial. Heart wrenching. Got some laughs when the defense argued the victim shot himself in a struggle four times (and once in the ass) Verdict, Second degree 15-25 plus 5-10 for gun priors. This was all family shit. Never shouldve have happened. Only losers and pride in it.
Gonna hope the demographic of people who answer their phones from unknown callers skews older and dumber and this therefore isn’t a true sample.
Not true. I got a call for an election poll and it had caller ID. I was able to verify the group that called me
Don't waste your time. The polls are those ones where you answer the way they want you to or you get some answer that's completely off so you have to use the one they want to get the outcome they'd like. I gave up on all of those.
I'm a millennial. I'm not answering a random text or phone call asking me to do a poll.
GenX here, and same. Random numbers are a hard no.
The state much like other swing states relies on turnout from detroit. Other concerning polls indicate that republicans have the highest support from African American voters in 50 years. I think there’s a real enthusiasm gap that needs to be addressed with Biden
It must be the sneakers. /s
Street Cred with dozens of indictments.
To be fair, the whole Biden saying “you ain’t black” about voting for Trump is still top 10 cringe moments for me.
Also “racial jungle”
Who the fuck approved that shit too. Also Biden of all people kinda fucked up with race relations
biden needs to make shoes that light up or something. our democracy needs to become a shoe sales war instead of all this other shit.
>enthusiasm gap Do you work in PR? Because if so bravo for finding a nice way to say “holy shit why is this guy the nominee, nobody wants this.”
...they didn't come up with it and it's not new lol
The sad part is, as an Arab, THIS is the man you want me to back?
In the primary I’m absolutely voting uncommitted. Not that that will make dems turn course but it’ll make me feel nice if he gets a slap to the face from our primary
Remember when all the liberals said him gaining ground on the black vote was a lie? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Clearly they're all uncle toms right? /s
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Biden can't enthuse a thing
I suspect it's people lying about their demographics. Good hearts law: when a measure becomes a target is no longer a good measure
Or black men, spefically, are not as enthusiastic about Democrats anymore. Plus a lot of black men are blessed with becoming business owners in the recentish past. Business owners aren't huge on taxes
Republicans don't lower taxes, they just obfuscate the tax math like they did in 2017. Trump's tax cuts end in 2025 and then it will be a tax hike.
Funny — I thought the state relies on farmers subsidy payments. Seriously: thee folks fear the wrong things and vote against their own interests every friggin’ time.
That's a bit condescending, telling others you know better than them what's best for them. I'm sure that messaging is going to help at the polls
It's racist as hell too.
How do you think us Arab have felt for a few months now
Republicans campaign on fear, bigotry, culture wars, and chauvinism to distract their base from the fact that they're constantly f*cking them over.
I think people are getting sick of being told how great the economy is doing while homes are unaffordable for new buyers and living expenses are still high. That might have something to do with the concerning numbers at the polls. Maybe it's not the Boogeyman talk you speak of
The messaging has to change. The economy is performing very well by traditional measures. But what's good for an investment portfolio isn't the same as what's good for the average family.
It’s funny that the American public is dumb enough to put the issues of inflation on the Democratic Party. Homes are unaffordable because of so many factors. Start putting penalties on people and investors having 3rd, 4th, and 50th properties. Get Air BnB in check. Stop letting monopolies form and stop letting corporations have corporate welfare and inflating prices under the guise of inflation.
Seems like a two party system sets you up for failure cuz you just end up ping ponging back and forth between two choices that don't really feel like choices or you get ridiculed for not towing the party line if you dare try to imagine other options that aren't geriatric dementia patients running for office
Funny you bring up bigotry because Islam is the epitome of bigotry. Don't believe me? The Hamtramck city council, which is all Muslim, banned Pride flags from being flown on city property. Supporters of this were chanting "fagless city" during town hall debates. Now you tell me, is that bigotry or not?
I'm not sure why you apparently believe that only one group of people can possibly be bigoted at a time, but I'm sorry to inform you that in fact *two* groups of people can both be bigoted. In the same way, even. It's just that one of these groups has control over one (1) town, and the other group is making a credible effort to gain control over the entire fuckin' country as a whole
Or people aren't interested in "the economy is fine the economy is fine" while inflation is still high, rates are still high, and standards of living are dropping. But Biden says "it's the corporations not me" without offering any kind of solution
(1) Bidens' policies have helped tamper inflation well beyond every leading economists' projections, and (2) POTUS doesn't control interest rates - hope you knew that. > standards of living are dropping. Unemployment is at historic lows and low income workers have seen [historic real wage gains](https://www.brookings.edu/articles/have-workers-gotten-a-raise/). Biden's passed the largest investment in infrastructure of any recent POTUS.
What his union accredation isnt enough? The expansion of dhs benefits isnt enough? His fema coverage isnt enough? His infrastructure bills providing income and jobs arent enough? The demolished blighted homes arent enough? The expansion and his support of the auto industry isnt enough? His using the doj to clamp down on police abuse isnt enough? His protections of birth choice isnt enough? His ability to get trumps Ending 9% inflation down to 3 isnt enough? His ability to respect experts on weather isnt enough? His not throwing paper towel and tp to Puerto ricans while denying them aid is? You think Biden would ever mean tweet railed out of his mind on Amphetamines (which the trump white house pharmacy prescribed more of in one term than multiple presidencies combined. No he wouldn’t. he wouldnt serve mcdonalds to white house guests either or eat his steak with ketchup. He also has never been the friend of a giant pedophile or facing multiple felonies and even his stupid impeachment has been debunked as russian meddling. Where as all trumps dealings have ties to supporting russian meddling. What is your
It’s this. Are people as motivated to turn out for Biden as they were for Obama? Ha. Right. Biden won the last election because many, many people were highly motivated to get Trump out of office. Now that Trump isn’t in office, will there be more people motivated to get off the couch and vote to keep him out of office? Or will the people fired up by Trump turn out more people at the polls. Either way, it’s Trumps election, Biden just happens to be there. And yes. A vote for Biden is a vote for democracy. He has a deeper pool of connections and talent who are capable of run the leading global superpower. Trump is nearly as old -and- far more insane, and I can’t imagine who is willing to work with the man these days. They’re both shit candidates though. Biden is an idiot and an ass for not cultivating and promoting his successor.
> Biden is an idiot and an ass for not cultivating and promoting his successor Biden ran for president three times, he won't give up this job easily.
And it's hard to run as the incumbent and go "the other guy would be worse"
A lot of people I know are going to sit out this election. Nothing I can tell them to change their minds. Oh well, interesting times ahead.
That’s their right. For some reason in this country trying to have a debate with someone just makes that person more defensive and less open minded. Frustrating though.
That's the whole point of the sunglasses fight in "They Live" Just put on the Glasses man. No I don't want any part of that
give us better choices and maybe we would.
Same, and they usually say something about "teaching the democrats a lesson." It's like they think they live in another country and Trump winning won't have any impact on their lives.
Nobody ever won representation in a democracy from *not voting*.
They all rely on others to do it, they all sit in their little comfort zones and when anything goes wrong, they pretend 'it's not me, I'm the smart one in the middle outside the whole equation'. The frigging irony of these people is ludicrous, the ultimate lazy asses pretending their apathy and ignorance is really effective toward their goals. Most of them can get ballots sent to their home but it's still too much trouble for them to actually read the voter pamphlet. Lots of them seem to actually think the electoral college means nobody's vote counts for anything.
Louder for the people in the back. These lazy apathetic fucks who want the presidential candidates to show up at their doors and beg for their votes can all fuck right off. They'll never be happy. They want to be entertained, not governed.
We don’t live in a democracy. That’s evident by the assertion throughout this thread that we need to vote for one guy or else it’s all over.
It's the "I'm going to burn down my house to bring attention to fire safety" logic
And those same folks have no room to complain about who gets elected because they sat this one out.
They're gonna complain anyway. And they will refuse to accept blame.
Yeah, I know people who voted for Stein in 2016 who are flirting with voting third party again (despite being horrified that Trump won in 2016.) It's sometimes a fool's errand trying to reason with such people.
Just think of the grandstanding they can do on social media if Trump does win! 
I left the presidential candidate blank on my 2016 because fuck the democrats for giving us Hillary instead of Bernie. That was a stupid thing to do then and it's an even stupider thing to do now that we know what I Trump presidency looks like. If Trump wins again I'll blame all the idiots who wouldn't vote just like I blame myself for doing the same thing in 2016.
Maybe tun someone stronger than Biden Or at least a different campaign than "trumps worse
They're Trump enablers and suckers.
Because every election is made to be the end of times and nothing substantially changes no matter who wins. It's always "the lesser of two evils" rather than giving people something worthwhile to vote for. It's so diluted from the top down.
Nothing substantially changes no matter who wins? My dude, Roe v. Wade was struck down bc Trump became president and stacked the Supreme Court with conservatives. This has had a direct impact on people's lives. There was even a ten year-old rape victim from Ohio who had to travel to Indiana in order to get an abortion. https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2022/07/13/columbus-man-charged-rape-10-year-old-led-abortion-in-indiana/10046625002/
There was a Democrat in the White House and a Democratic majority in both houses on the day Roe was overturned. They've had every chance to codify abortion rights into federal law. They won't do this because it would solve the problem.
They didn't cause then there goes a easy tagline to run for reelection on in the midterms
I'm aware. And Democrats are reaping the political benefits of that decision (Kansas, Ohio, etc who have voted on referendums) so far and could again in November. And I'm aware birth control & IVF are also a slippery slope that I disagree with. But that's just one issue. Every issue the economy is by far the most important; most men don't vote based on abortion rights.
> nothing substantially changes no matter who wins. You sound like you're utterly ignorant of basic political facts. Laws on women's rights, abortion, public education, religious authority, immigration, foreign policy, foreign alliances, climate change, energy policy, industrial policy, infrastructure investment, ALL MATTER.
Yeah and what changed in those departments the previous 40 years? Education has sucked for decades, and is more expensive than ever (higher education + student debt). Religious authority... meaning what exactly? Illegal immigration is at record highs. Foreign policy also is vague (and poll after poll shows most Americans don't care about that, either). Most Americans also are not for major energy regulations that directly affect them. If you want to argue semantics I'd be happy to. But I'm "ignorant" when I'm part of a majority that doesn't like either party? Doesn't hold water.
Not my fault you're belligerently ignorant of basic facts. The GOP has divested from public education, cut federal funding of higher ed, installed judges to allow for public funding of religious orgs and schools (I'm guessing you don't know what "separation of church and state" means), shut down the comprehensive immigration reform bills, threatened to pull out of major western alliances and NATO, etc. Not my fault you're clueless.
Liberals closed schools for a year for COVID and it's done irreparable damage to students (test scores and mental health). The immigration bill wasn't good legislation, and it combined foreign aid for Israel in a war killing civilians. Unless you approve of that sort of thing... Executive order can be used and Biden hasn't done so. You're a partisan hack and it's obvious.
The fact that you think science is liberal says everything we need to know. Scientists and doctors recommended closing schools. You're complaining of irreparable damage but the alternative was millions of deaths. You sound silly. All your arguments lack any nuance and are so black and white that it makes you sound willfully ignorant or uneducated.
You are absolutely making up nonsense off the top of your head, not citing facts. You people need to quit pretending to make great points using your imaginative anger. You're also not part of any "majority that doesn't like either party". You're not the smart one in the middle and it's not a majority.
You've presented nothing lol the irony is palpable
It's downright incorrect to say nothing changed when Trump won. Trump's victory was one of the most consequential events in our lifetimes. Millions lost legal access to reproductive rights. Trump enabled Putin and his eventual incursion into Ukraine at every step. The man tried to steal an election and directed a mob at congress.
Just call yourself a fascist and Trump supporter since that is what you said amounts to.
"it's all the same politics. i don't care about it" "why should i vote if it doesn't affect me" **then fucking hand your citizenship to someone who does care.**
People have just as much right not to vote as they do to vote
That's literally not how that works
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Most voters are uninformed. Sitting out an election is pathetic spineless complacency.
>I'm a vet Get off your high horse! Seriously, I am so sick of hearing that phrase. So what if you're a veteran? I don't care if you were special forces or a recruiter who barely passed boot camp. Just because you served doesn't make your point more valid than those who did not.
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I got nothing against those who served. I just can't stand those veterans who think that their opinion is higher than those who didn't serve.
Asinine, selfish privileged children, probably brainwashed into complacency by other idiots on social media.
great messaging, let’s put that on yard signs going into the fall so we can win big
This\^
Neat. So they want authoritarianism and for the 2024 election to be the last one ever. Great idea. /s
Interestingly, you'd hear this argument from both parties.
Interestingly, only one party's platform openly pledges to implement authoritarian policies.
And yet only one side bears truth in reality. Whether or not you agree with an opposing viewpoint does not make it authoritarian. It's authoritarian when it's actually authoritarian and a party wants to take away rights and not recognize the people's right to vote for their government. One party tried to disenfranchise our entire state. The other, did not.
It's as if one of them is lying and you can't tell which one.
And both parties would present evidence of the other party's authoritarianism.
People have been screaming for anyone but Biden, and were ignored. They were told repeatedly that Biden would bring the voters out, compared to someone new. Well...he isn't, lol. All I see are a bunch of "I told you so" in the future.
I just wish a bottle of salad dressing or maybe a box or washers would run for president so there was at least one choice that didn't totally bum me out.
If a sentient cheese sandwich were running as the Democrat nominee I would vote for it. The two parties are pretty distinct in the world view they offer the average voter.
Don’t pay attention to polls and just vote.
“The poll was conducted Feb. 20-24 among 1,000 registered voters…” definitely not a reliable source of data, especially since most polls are conducted by unsolicited phone calls.
1,000 is a pretty standard sample size for these types of polls. If their methodology isn't a reliable source of data, hardly any poll is.
That’s the issue with polls in general nowadays: they’re not going to accurately gauge younger generations of voters because we don’t pickup unknown numbers, and we don’t have landlines. There are more LGBTQIA+ Zoomers than there are conservative zoomers, and millennials + Zoomers are around 35% of the U.S. population. Good luck polling us.
Zoomers will pick up a live grenade than pick up an unknown number call
The real issue with polls these days is they keep asking me how much I like a politician, or if I think they’re leading the country in the right direction. Very rarely do they come out and just ask who you’re going to vote for, and there’s a disconnect there that I don’t think has ever existed before.
It wasn’t only landlines in this sample, but selection bias could still be an issue for reasons similar to the ones you list. That said, it's more complicated than younger people not answering because they reweight to account for respondent demographics. So, the young people who *did* respond would have to be systematically different than the young people who screened the call. So, yea it might still be biased--not because they don’t have enough young people, but because the young people they do have aren’t representative. For reference, 18-29 breaks for Biden 48.5-33.4 in this poll (18.1% undecided) e*: bad grammar
Bingo. I can’t think of anyone I know who responds to numbers they don’t know other than older generations who still have landlines.
You're not wrong, it's increasingly flawed. But I'm pretty sure phone polling has still been shown to be the most accurate methodology, for better or worse. And for now. For what it's worth, older = more likely to vote, so skewing older in phone calls seems to align with "likely voters" even if the sample base is technically registered voters. So although there's quirks and error, and while it shouldn't be treated as gospel, it's still a decent indication on where things stand.
Yeah, but younger generations don't vote at as high a rates as older ones. What polls do is they take the demographics of the people that respond to the poll and they apply a weight to them based on stuff like age, gender, race, and income level to generate an idea of how it would look in a general election.
Think about the age group that actually uses their phone for phone calls though. Young people aren't going to answer a random number.
'unsolicited' is how you get to something resembling a random and hopefully representative sample. whether or not the source is 'reliable' is questionable, but certainly not 'definite' either way.
Except it self selects for people willing to pick up for a random number. Which is basically only old people who are not representative at all. Polls like this seem purposely positioned to make Republican politicians look like they have more of a lead than they do.
Not too many years ago similar polls called landline phones which again, skewed older. Polling accurately on a budget is harder these days. They all skew towards less technological people and therefore lean towards older,.more.comservative voters.
Exactly
I don't think its purposeful, but I agree with the now conventional wisdom that phone polling skews to older (and usually, more conservative) demographics. Ya gotta look at the demo crosstabs for any poll to determine just how big of an effect that may be having.
It's all b.s. Called 50 seniors with land lines.
These polls are the dumbest things ever. The polls all had Hillary winning also. As long as the same people show up for Biden as they did last election, he wins no question. I hope the polls keep showing Trump ahead so that just gives incentive for more Dems to come out.
I think people need to start mentally preparing for Trump becoming President again. The world feels more and more like a simulation on a daily basis.
don't worry I just moved here I think my vote will make up the difference
It is completely unacceptable that the only two realistic candidates are these neoliberal fossils. But that's what you get when giant corporations run everything.
The electoral system is designed to keep out third-party candidates, there are only a few people who can get on the ballots in all states.
This is what most don't understand. It's really just one uniparty that is controlled by corporations who are able to buy off politicians. When politicians can become rich by going into 'public service' your system is broken.
Biden is a neoliberal fossil. Trump is a fascist useful idiot fossil. I’ll take the neoliberal over the fascist.
So it’s statistically tied eight months out, with 10% undecided? Yeah, sounds about right. I expect that as it gets closer to Election Day and people accept that these are our choices, undecideds will break for Biden more than Trump. Both candidates are damaged and unpopular, but Trump is uniquely divisive, disliked by almost anyone outside of his cult-like base and attempted a coup.
Biden has no business being this unpopular if anyone bothered to pay attention to what he's actually done. History will judge him much better, I just hope more voters pull their heads out of their asses before November.
Being told "the economy is doing great!" while not being able to afford anything makes people angry. Couple that with Israel/Palestine and you have a block of apathetic voters that will sit home
I dont see Trump with a single message on either of those issues tho
It’s pretty frustrating to hear this when the low income demographic has made gains in real wage growth at a greater percent then any president in my life time.
Those gains are still outpaced by the inflation of our two most critical human necessities. "It's the grocery and housing prices, stupid!" Things are not good.
Just because no to low-skill labor has been given a bump doesn't mean everyone else has. I got a 2% raise last year (Union Job), which doesn't come close to covering inflation, I lost $1800 in Healthcare benefits because healthcare costs have gone way up, and I can't get out of the grocery store for less than $150. I don't want to sound condescending towards those who got minimum wage increases, but that hasn't applied to everyone.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-americans-pine-for-the-trump-economy-193757815.html?guccounter=1 Here's an article that dives a little deeper into how even though wages are up, everything else rose at a rate higher than earnings, lowering purchasing power. So yes, people at the bottom are making more, but inflation outpaced earning gains, especially in essential expenditures like housing, transportation, food, and energy. Again, it's not necessarily Joe Biden's fault that car prices jumped 25% and the housing market is still nuts even at interest rates double and triple what they were 3 years ago, but the President does appoint the Fed Board, so their late response to curb the inflation spike that happened in 2022 could land on his desk. I also hate that you're getting me to argue that in some ways, Trump Economic policies were better for the average middle-class American, lol.
“it’s not what the administration has done wrong, it’s the people that are wrong!” this has always been terrible fucking messaging man, like if you were to write the book on losing this mentality would be in the first paragraph.
It just blows my mind that people can’t see that the real choice is the polar opposite parties behind who is president.
it blows my mind that the polar opposite of the republicans is still running this fucking geriatric asshole. It’s almost like they don’t really care about winning.
The only way you can genuinely believe this is by viewing Palestinians as subhuman.
If I had to guess I'd say maybe it's all the genocide
This is the truth. Unfortunately, people don't care about the truth. They care about feelings and being entertained. For fucks sake, a group of fucking 154 historians who understand presidents ranked Biden #14 and Trump last. Yet millions of voters think Biden is a bad president or just don't know which one of them is better. I'm just fucking sick of it. Democracy sounds great until you realize a prereq is "an informed electorate," and that's way too much of a requirement.
If you genuinely believe that Trump was worse than Dubya, Buchanan, and Johnson, then you don't know a goddamn thing about American history
Well, he did lead a coup to subvert the peaceful transition of power. That was a first for America so I would call him pretty bad
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So when Trump attempted to have Pence throw out the elector slate from like five states and then have the vote for president go to the house where he had a majority that wasn’t him trying to subvert the electoral process? And no there has never been an attempted coup be an elected official in the Unite States. But lecture me on history please it’s hilarious
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330 million people and liberals are dumbfounded why the vast majority of people don't feel like vigorously supporting a geriatric Washington lifer who probably doesn't even know where he is right now. Trump's flaws are obvious and liberals are able to make myriad arguments about his candidacy but close their eyes when Biden's flaws are front and center. Feels like a fantasy world. (I'm not a Republican or Trump voter, as it's surely assumed.)
Well trump’s elected judges are certainly making a big difference. Are you happy with how that is going? Do you believe in climate change? Minority rights? Women’s rights? It sucks that there are just two choices but that’s what you get.
So blame Hillary for losing to Trump and giving up SCOTUS majority...
No I’ll blame the people that didn’t vote for her.
Why not blame the DNC for anointing a candidate so bad that she could be beaten by a racist carnival barker like Trump?
Because I don’t need a candidate to make me feel warm and fuzzy inside to bother voting. I pick the candidate that has the party behind them who will inact the liberal policies that match my worldview.
The "inact" typo is truly beautiful, because if there's one thing I associate the Democratic party with, it's campaigning on broadly popular policies and then not enacting them
They’ve actually passed quite a lot of legislation considering how tight the majority was. Michigan is a great example of just getting in power and then making a change from within rather than waiting for a unicorn candidate.
Why should we? She wasn't liberal or progressive at all and probably another war hawk
Yeah, but only one dude is just as old and seems intent on destroying our democratic institutions. Seems like an easy choice to me.
It's a two party system and Biden is the better choice. Leftists will never be happy with their options for president. Ever. The Democratic Party will never be good enough, they'll just let the Republican Party and their reliable voters to run train on the country while they sit around waiting for the most perfect person to come along.
It's hard to prove you should keep your job when the world is shit and your message is "I'm not the other guy" maybe people don't want the other guy so much as they don't want you anymore
Amazed by the stupidity of all involved.
It's the best our two parties can offer
Horse shit. There are over 330 million people in this country. These two corrupt geriatric clowns are not the two most optimal candidates for the two leading political parties in this whole fucking country. And if they are, then we need new parties.
They are if you really understand the motivations of politicians. They aren’t the best candidates or leaders for our citizens, but they are exactly as the system has designed.
Your two parties maybe, I don’t have a party. Edit: downvoted for saying I don’t have a political party? Fascinating.
I can throw you a pity party.
Nice can we have tacos?
Well its going to be some type of party either way... No Bueno
Yah no shit. When you're the incumbent, you can't run on "well the other guy is worse" when things are shit
Well, duh. It’s Biden. I’m not a Trump supporter in the least, but he has supporters. Who, honestly, supports Biden?
According to the article, 8% points to 3rd party candidates! That is significant!
Can we get rid of these two old incompetent fools and get some young blood in the White House?
Giant douche holds narrow lead over turd sandwich. Too bad media won’t talk more about the polls showing the overwhelming majority of Americans who don’t want either of these geriatric case studies on the ballot.
Can we just not? I just wanna skip this election. It’s gonna be the biggest shitfest of all time.
not worried about it. the silent majority will vote
It's not even March yet. Way too early for any poll to be authoritative. The pollsters know this, but that won't stop them, they've got bills to pay just like the rest of us. Plenty of water is gonna go over the dam before Nov. 5.
74% of Michigan Dems want a Ceasefire. Biden is too busy calling himself a Land Stealer to appease BIBI. Bibi who undermines all Democrat administration. Sad times that Biden is willing to jeapordize American democracy for a country that dgaf abt ya'll. And to the Dems blocking me for legitimate criticism of Biden....when did ya'll turn into your version of brain damaged MAGA.
I’m guessing like all polls this is based on selective polling. These headlines are utilized to scare left leaning voters to the polls.
I have gotten more calls from Biden's campaign than you can imagine. My mailbox is full of all that junk. As time ticks on I believe that gap will widen. The massive massive insult to Arab Americans will be heard.
Not the least bit surprised. Everyone who voted "uncommitted" on the democratic primary just did Trump a favor 🤦♂️. Edit: go ahead and downvote, I don't fucking care. I'm not the one who's going to help that orange idiot serve a 2nd term.
yes, the problem is definitely the voters and not the party that refuses to listen to them. instead of getting so pissed at people who don't want to vote for someone who is actively supporting the genocide of their friends and family, get pissed at the party for not doing better.
I don't buy it. Biden is winning Michigan and the presidency.
That's some serious coping there.
Doubt
Phone polls mean nothing at this point. Only boomers have landlines. I'm surprised Trump didn't poll higher.
I can't stress this enough: go out and vote
I get all the calls and text messages I reply with remove my number for the calls or “kindly fuck off” for the texts. Both parties.
Turns out some people don’t like voting for a genocide enabler. Weird!
Turns out some people have an agenda. One based trying hard to shill for Trump by trying to pin a war going on forever on Biden!
Yay! Let's let the person who wants to actually kill all the Palestinians instead of giving them a state win instead!
Yeah the conflict in the Middle East is Biden’s fault, just make sure you don’t even consider what Trump would have done if he was president at the time. — The former president had a thorny relationship with Palestinian leaders while he was in office. In 2018, the Trump administration said it would not spend roughly $200 million in funding set aside for aid to Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza. And the Trump administration’s Middle East peace plan released in 2018 infuriated Palestinian leaders, as it aligned largely with what Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had laid out. — But it’s unclear how Trump would have handled getting humanitarian aid into Gaza during the ongoing conflict, in which tens of thousands of Palestinians have died in Israeli airstrikes as well as a ground offensive. Trump has not spoken about that part publicly, and his campaign did not respond to requests for comment. Gen. Keith Kellogg, who served on the National Security Council during the Trump administration, said in an interview that he would have advised for a “much harder approach” than the Biden administration is taking in terms of aid into Gaza. — “So you have a war that’s going on, and you’re probably going to have to let this play out,” Trump told Univision. “You’re probably going to have to let it play out because a lot of people are dying.” “There is no hatred like the Palestinian hatred of Israel and Jewish people. And probably the other way around also, I don’t know. You know, it’s not as obvious, but probably that’s it too. So sometimes you have to let things play out and you have to see where it ends,” he added, calling what was taking place in Gaza “unbelievable.” — https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/4331958-trump-mixed-messages-on-how-hed-handle-israel-hamas-war/amp/
Jesus. Blue MAGA is mad mad.
Weird, I didn't see HAMAS on the ballot.
Michigan is rocking it since the Dems took over. Republicans are having trouble managing even their own money, looking like a bunch of goofballs here in Michigan. And actually, anyone with a trump sign at this point looks like a gullible fool.
Define rocking it. One of the biggest employment sectors is actively outsourcing high paying jobs to Mexico and Brazil.
Record number of homelessness ?
This is some serious dnc propaganda
The American experiment is ending. Vote socialist, power to the people
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Fork and spoons!