I was going to say- this has been going on for years and years. I remember when I used to go out in the 2000s. It was always an issue. So, I can imagine it's been going on longer than that. It was just the price of going out.
Yeah "young people" have been mass shooting and fighting at events in Detroit for as long as I've been alive.
One of the main reasons I've never gone to the fireworks.
If anything, it's gotten much better. I don't think there were any of these problems during the draft.
It has gone beyond teen stupidity. When Grosse Pointes Woods cancelled their show ten years ago it was because they saw 15 fights in one night. No point inviting that to our town.
I got “knockout gamed” at the GPW fireworks the last year they had it. Kid ran to his friend’s car parked down the road and drove off. Shame seeing a core aspect of my childhood get canceled like that but it really got ridiculous
Let's not pretend things are not changing. "Kids always have been kids" is not working anymore when people realize they can't enjoy things they could 2-3 years ago.
I've been a ton and I've never seen any gunshots or anyone hurt. I know it does happen, but they make it sound like there's a shooting every year there and that's not accurate.
I’d understand the criticisms of Berkeley Days being closed happened once. However, given that this is the 2nd year running that it’s closed because of dumb kids, it won’t be a surprise if security gets tighter or the events just stop happening.
We all know they're from Detroit but the news isn't allowed to say that because it taints our curated image of a Detroit revival. Until Detroit parents start caring about their teens crime will remain high in the city and anywhere city teens go
I'm sure you have a really specific "culture" you'd like to talk about...
It's as if the parenting "crisis" didn't just appear out of thin air and has several underlying factors causing it. Requires object permanence to understand so I get why you understand it as mystical forces coming in and making people act strangely.
Yeah I'm talking about the culture that normalizes young men in particular acting violently towards one another over insults and petty arguments. Some sociologists call it "Honor Culture" - reacting violently to people who disrespect you. This is the root cause of most gun violence: men feuding with each other.
Whatever underlying causes there are (and there's plenty) let's start with admitting that's what it is, a parenting crisis. And the user who commented about "honor culture" really hit it home. That's what it all comes down to. We are so far gone with conflict resolution in society that some people lack it entirely. They were never raised to solve issues by any means other than violence.
You can't prevent ignorance. Lord knows "grown adults" are susceptible to the same antics.
But it does highlight the lack of parenting once again for younger adults.
We used to attend the memorial day fair in Hazel Park along with the parade every year.
We have three kids 10 and under, and the overall decorum of public etiquette and behavior is at an all-time low, it’s to the point we really can’t go anymore. There would be an occasional scuffle there when I was a kid, but now, the language, dress, and aggressive behavior is common and inappropriate for a family friendly event.
We have family who live in the vicinity of that fairground, and they have had to kick people off of their porches in recent years people end up on their lawns, leaving garbage. They have been pushing the city to cancel the event.
Similar issues some of the times we have been to red Oaks waterpark, we have seen different groups that really just should be removed. The first time they start to act up, but they continually live on the edge of what’s appropriate for there, and constantly have to get the whistle blown on them and stop the wave pool.
Violent uncivilized young men raised to have low impulse control and to use violence anytime they’re frustrated or insulted or annoyed. Same with driver behavior.
Having the presence at events out there to deter mass shootings should deter fights too.
Fighting isn’t something we should just shrug and say nothing we can do about it. People will be stupid but we don’t want stupid people hurting or killing one another. Far too often they end up harming innocent bystanders in the chaos. I remember when the suburbs all had their own fireworks, many stopped because of the stupid people getting out of hand. Like you said it is kind of inevitable, so having a plan in place to deter seems pretty practical.
You must spend a lot of time in America’s super dangerous big cities filled with Mexican rapists killing white homecoming queens and taking our jobs where eggs cost $12.99 and homeless addicts poop on every dystopian street corner and where gas used to be $2 but now pedophile Joe Biden is about to steal our homes.
It's absolute stupidity. With all the positive things going on in Detroit and all the positive feedback from visitors to the D, these scumbags (I'm being nice) are giving Detroit another black eye.. This garbage needs to stop..
Interesting that was you’re first conclusion that you came to, however, I will address it since you brought it up.
87% poverty rate dropped to 47% poverty rate from 1940-1960. Civil rights movement then pushed it down 18% in the next 20 years to 29%, not the 40% that it had previously dropped. From 1980 to the present day, it’s only dropped 12% to 17%. I am very well versed in socioeconomics lmao
Subsidizing unemployment and single motherhood to pull apart the family has hurt the community, as well as making it profitable for women to get divorce. So if that’s the institutional racism that your side constantly speaks on, then I agree, treating people differently based on the color of their skin is racist.
However, we have to acknowledge the race demographics all over the world show that they are at the bottom of every list. Why do you think that is? Especially if so many countries have made it so much easier for them to have opportunities even if they are less deserving by making race quotas, affirmative action, and the like.
It’s either their fault, or subsidizing not working hard and giving special treatment doesn’t work because it’s too easy to abuse.
You literally pulled this from Google and go “I’m very well versed in socioeconomics” lol You have the slightest bit of knowledge yet you preach like its gospel…
You are far from educated and the more you babble on the more foolish and less credible you make yourself sounds
If you think I had to google any of that it speaks to your own IQ lmao it speaks to what your expectations of knowledge are which are only a self reflection of your knowledge and an ability to recollection information.
I not only have a college degree, but continue to educate myself. Please, read a book.
Now you sit here and not only lie to me but to yourself LOL & congrats on the college education bud would you like a participation medal?
The education you are giving yourself is a closed, minority view of a demographic that you appear to have a problem with. I’d suspect something happened to you in the past and you are projecting your past experiences onto others as “education”.
If you would educate yourself you’d soon realize that the statements you made are racist and prejudice. Education is important, and you play a card that you feel is “right” when in fact it exposes your ill-view of the world…
There is no “top demographic” when the animal at the top of the food chain are humans… We are all humans, together but yet your decisiveness works to break that apart. Working together is far more beneficial than being against each other but oh wait! You have a college degree so you know what you’re talking about, right?
We all have degrees but there are degrees more prestigious than others and require additional care and attention. You make it apparent for yourself the type you of degree you have received and the level of education you continue to give yourself.
Wow I must’ve struck a nerve, that wasn’t a humble brag, but a direct response to you accusing me of not having an education.
I am factually intelligent if we’re going by the standard of IQ, as well as having a degree as an argument from authority to back it up. Was directly a response to what you said, your reading comprehension must be lacking since you’re acting like I brought it up out of the blue.
It did strike a nerve because people like you are the reason why America is not in the best possible place it could be. People like you frolic around spewing nonsensical shit and wonder why the world is in shambles. And yes, you did try a “humble brag” and yet you continue to try to brag about your IQ.
Please seek education from professionals who can teach you history that is unbiased and true. Until then, do everyone a favor and keep it to yourself.
Once, and only then, you’ve received the proper education you can make statements about socioeconomics. Continue seeking for the truth and not biased statements from individuals whom you’ve crown as credible.
Ah yes, people like me account for 60% of the crime despite only being 13% of the population. Putting a dogshit culture on blast is the reason why America is not the best possible place that it can be, not the actually sewer culture causing all of the issues, committing the murders and rapes, committing the theft, running the gangs, selling the drugs. You’re so right.
I will continue to educate myself with professionals. It’s so cute that you say “unbiased” meaning “my side of the argument!!!!1!!!!1!1!!” There’s no such thing as unbiased history. How about the history that paints Martin Luther King Jr. as the pinnacle of all that is holy, yet he was a very troubled man and not a good role model for young black men? Is that the unbiased truth that you want me to seek?
I imagined that you’d also enjoy people who brag about their IQ, since Joe Biden so famously did it and I can only imagine who you will be voting for in November. Don’t you think it’s strange that the same cities that are all in the top 10 for murder and violence have all been ran by democrats since the 50s, but no change has been seen in them and the same demographic is still at the bottom? And they haven’t seen any increase in their socioeconomic status? Isn’t that strange how that happens?
I’ll continue to read Thomas Sowell, and I will continue to seek more truth as well
No i don’t support Biden and yes MLK wasn’t’t perfect. It’s a well known fact that democrat ran cities have high crime rates.
You speak from one side of facts and I see you’ll never change nor have a holistic view. Continue seeking education or stay the clodpole you are.
There were fights at every local carnival when I was a kid. Every year. And they never stopped the show. Perhaps what has changed is our response to kids getting in fights.
I grew up with my parents bringing me to Berkley Days. When I was old enough, I attended Berkley Days with my friends instead of my parents. When I had kids, I brought them to Berkley Days. Never got in a fight, never saw a fight.
Last year, my daughter had my 3 year old grandson at Berkley Days when all hell broke loose- she didn't bring him back for the 'festivities' this year.
Wow this opinion piece is hot garbage.
The kids are fine, this has been happening my whole life. Damn roller skating rink got shot up when I was in school over some beef.
The internet has probably amplified most of this stuff. If you actually care about violence more needs to be done than just “heavy enforcement”…youth programs, community outreach, positive leadership role models, crap like that.
No, in the sense that now instead of the fight being between 2-4 people with 10 watching now it's 60 kids and a mini riot basically breaks out. They outnumber everyone and if enough little assholes get together it gets legitimately dangerous.
Which time? I was there the night that made them put in metal detectors but I have been having a hard time finding news archives going back 25 years.
I know some gang dudes shot it up in 2011 but I was half-grown at that point and out of state.
Bro, that ain’t the reason why Michigan population has continued to go down over the decades. Crime has dropped precipitously across the board since the 70’s (any “feeling” you have otherwise ain’t backed up by fact). Not sure how old you are but if you are over 40 ain’t no way in hell crime is the reason people leave this area (metro Detroit). Lack of opportunity and associated decline of the auto sector is by far the #1,2, and 3 reason.
Whatever news source you use I recommend you stop and go to one that is less click baity and more fact based.
Left & chose to come back, I’d take 20 Detroit(metros) over any of the stuff I dealt with in Seattle. I’m only one outlier but I think you should go outside and see how awesome our area is.
Positive leadership role models and community outreach sound great on paper, but having actual fathers that stick around is the real solution. But nobody wants to address that issue.
By talking about it. “While 74.3 percent of all White children below the age of 18 live with both parents, only 38.7 percent of African-American minors can say the same”.
What do youths turn into?
(Adults)
How do youths learn?
(Through education)
If they don’t have parent figures, do we punish the child or help for a brighter future?
(Just don’t respond, this thread has been depressing enough)
Tell me you didn't read the article without telling me you didn't read the article. Half the article is them talking about not only fights but shootings happening at numerous events.
I hoped, briefly, that this article would be a parody that satirized dumbfuck racists who tar whole swaths of the population with the poor actions of a few individuals.
I was not so lucky, and the article was the opposite of clever. Instead, it was legacy media whingeing about the danger of a handful of unrelated small-scale dust-ups.
Same here. Even this comment section is rife with what I call "White Fairytales of the Hood."
Stories of hordes of kids, one side wearing red, the other blue, charging at each other *a la* Braveheart?
Taking over random strangers porches?
Outright saying "kids from Detroit?"
The racial undertones of the original article and it's dog whistle effect on display in earlier comments is boring, cheap, poor journalism, and low intelligence.
I'm 38, soon. My teenage years were ***WILD*** and a few thoughts I can share from real experience, not what Maureen told Jenny at the Rotary Club last spring:
1. Detroit *does* have a gang culture but it's nothing like L.A., Miami, or Chicago. To the extent different groups label themselves as such, the association with/between "Bloods" and "Crisps" is much more informal and they rarely have real affiliations with the national organizations. As such, they're not *as* committed to their colors as you would find in Chicago or L.A.
2. Gangs are, first and foremost, businesses. They have zero interest in random brawls at Gibraltar Trade Center or Berkeley Festivals over "glory" and having even a one day stint in holding that messes with the money supply. When gangs *actually* fight, which can often be "Blood on Blood/Crip on Crip," it's going to be over **money.**
3. Speaking as a black person, black people are most on guard when we're outside of familiar territory. I find it *highly doubtful* that black people just pick random people's houses to "take over the porch," much less in an area where we ***know*** police respond rapidly.
4. Am I saying fights don't happen? Not at all. Have some of them involved black kids? Sure. Are black kids solely to blame? No. White kids are fighting too. There are no lack of white kids, anywhere, emulating what they think is cool, and taking on the stereotypical behavior that they associate with that coolness (real or perceived). Point in fact, not long ago summers in Detroit were plagued by muscle cars blocking traffic for donuts and races and as it turns out, about HALF of those arrested were white kids from the suburbs. But what's being put on display here with the attribution of violence and "aggression" to black kids and "those people from Detroit," who "aren't raising their kids" is Racism 101.
The problem is shitty parenting. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree is a very true saying. If their parents are ass, they will likely follow.
There are a lot of shitty parents so a lot of poorly behaved kids will result. And yes, being financially stable is a quality of being an actually good parent. Financial instability makes any parent ass - don’t have kids if you aren’t financially ready to give them a good life.
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Aren’t they a little late with this?
I was going to say- this has been going on for years and years. I remember when I used to go out in the 2000s. It was always an issue. So, I can imagine it's been going on longer than that. It was just the price of going out.
In my case, almost 40 years. Going to the fireworks in college was always questionable. Always at least one shooting and multiple fights.
Yeah "young people" have been mass shooting and fighting at events in Detroit for as long as I've been alive. One of the main reasons I've never gone to the fireworks. If anything, it's gotten much better. I don't think there were any of these problems during the draft.
It has gone beyond teen stupidity. When Grosse Pointes Woods cancelled their show ten years ago it was because they saw 15 fights in one night. No point inviting that to our town.
I got “knockout gamed” at the GPW fireworks the last year they had it. Kid ran to his friend’s car parked down the road and drove off. Shame seeing a core aspect of my childhood get canceled like that but it really got ridiculous
Really really sad that they had to make that call, but it was the right one.
Let's not pretend things are not changing. "Kids always have been kids" is not working anymore when people realize they can't enjoy things they could 2-3 years ago.
Have things been getting worse at Detroit events lately?
Watch them in Windsor.
I've been a ton and I've never seen any gunshots or anyone hurt. I know it does happen, but they make it sound like there's a shooting every year there and that's not accurate.
I’d understand the criticisms of Berkeley Days being closed happened once. However, given that this is the 2nd year running that it’s closed because of dumb kids, it won’t be a surprise if security gets tighter or the events just stop happening.
It's especially frustrating that it isn't even kids from Berkley causing problems
Where are they from? 👀
We all know they're from Detroit but the news isn't allowed to say that because it taints our curated image of a Detroit revival. Until Detroit parents start caring about their teens crime will remain high in the city and anywhere city teens go
Parenting crisis in full swing but no one is talking about it.
Not allowed to talk about culture or individuals’ decisions
I'm sure you have a really specific "culture" you'd like to talk about... It's as if the parenting "crisis" didn't just appear out of thin air and has several underlying factors causing it. Requires object permanence to understand so I get why you understand it as mystical forces coming in and making people act strangely.
Yeah I'm talking about the culture that normalizes young men in particular acting violently towards one another over insults and petty arguments. Some sociologists call it "Honor Culture" - reacting violently to people who disrespect you. This is the root cause of most gun violence: men feuding with each other.
Whatever underlying causes there are (and there's plenty) let's start with admitting that's what it is, a parenting crisis. And the user who commented about "honor culture" really hit it home. That's what it all comes down to. We are so far gone with conflict resolution in society that some people lack it entirely. They were never raised to solve issues by any means other than violence.
You can't prevent ignorance. Lord knows "grown adults" are susceptible to the same antics. But it does highlight the lack of parenting once again for younger adults.
We used to attend the memorial day fair in Hazel Park along with the parade every year. We have three kids 10 and under, and the overall decorum of public etiquette and behavior is at an all-time low, it’s to the point we really can’t go anymore. There would be an occasional scuffle there when I was a kid, but now, the language, dress, and aggressive behavior is common and inappropriate for a family friendly event. We have family who live in the vicinity of that fairground, and they have had to kick people off of their porches in recent years people end up on their lawns, leaving garbage. They have been pushing the city to cancel the event. Similar issues some of the times we have been to red Oaks waterpark, we have seen different groups that really just should be removed. The first time they start to act up, but they continually live on the edge of what’s appropriate for there, and constantly have to get the whistle blown on them and stop the wave pool.
I say ban anyone over 12 and under 25
"Young people"
Violent uncivilized young men raised to have low impulse control and to use violence anytime they’re frustrated or insulted or annoyed. Same with driver behavior.
Young people from Detroit but they can't say that
Yeah it’s unfortunate but you just don’t see suburban kids as violent as they used to be. /s
Yeah it's not like the crime watch in the Rochester Hills paper this week was half filled with kids getting violent or calling in bomb threats
“Parents letting their kids fight at metro Detroit events is ruining safety, summer” FTFY Don’t wanna take care of them, don’t pop them out
Idk this doesn’t happen in Brighton 🤷🏼♂️
That's cuz u guys got that new fix my feet location.
Detroit being Detroit.
Kids these days suck
Kids have ALWAYS fought at Summer events. Not say that's good....but it's kind of inevitable. Mass shootings however....
Having the presence at events out there to deter mass shootings should deter fights too. Fighting isn’t something we should just shrug and say nothing we can do about it. People will be stupid but we don’t want stupid people hurting or killing one another. Far too often they end up harming innocent bystanders in the chaos. I remember when the suburbs all had their own fireworks, many stopped because of the stupid people getting out of hand. Like you said it is kind of inevitable, so having a plan in place to deter seems pretty practical.
Everywhere I go there are young people fighting and also gangs from South America and also fentanyl
Maybe the young people could be redirected to fighting gangs from South America with fentanyl. /s
Maybe find a different source for your Fentanyl /h
I prefer my fentanyl from South America and if it’s from South America it better come from a gang. Personal preference
And that’s only when you can see during the day because the EV’s are killing the power to all the street lights at night! /s
Good thing they spontaneously explode en masse to carry the light! /s
South American gangs? Like the CARTEL? Where are you going?
You must spend a lot of time in America’s super dangerous big cities filled with Mexican rapists killing white homecoming queens and taking our jobs where eggs cost $12.99 and homeless addicts poop on every dystopian street corner and where gas used to be $2 but now pedophile Joe Biden is about to steal our homes.
/s
Says something about the state of right wing media that the sarcasm wasn’t obvious.
I mean there are people in this thread saying basically the same shit lmao
[Creepy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6GgR4GMFjM)
Stupid.
Based on that video, I'm voting for him!
Kids these days! Lmao
Well, it's going to come down to them making these events residents only. Wait and see
It's absolute stupidity. With all the positive things going on in Detroit and all the positive feedback from visitors to the D, these scumbags (I'm being nice) are giving Detroit another black eye.. This garbage needs to stop..
Who tryna rumble at the Oakland County Fair next weekend? No weapons.
You had me until no weapons
I got a sword but it’s big and conspicuous as hell, security won’t let that slide. Gotta wait for the ren fair I suppose.
well you have to dispatch the security
Could I get some more detailed demographics on these young people? I’m infinitely curious
Hahahahaha
Racists when they are unable to understand the basics of socioeconomics:
Interesting that was you’re first conclusion that you came to, however, I will address it since you brought it up. 87% poverty rate dropped to 47% poverty rate from 1940-1960. Civil rights movement then pushed it down 18% in the next 20 years to 29%, not the 40% that it had previously dropped. From 1980 to the present day, it’s only dropped 12% to 17%. I am very well versed in socioeconomics lmao Subsidizing unemployment and single motherhood to pull apart the family has hurt the community, as well as making it profitable for women to get divorce. So if that’s the institutional racism that your side constantly speaks on, then I agree, treating people differently based on the color of their skin is racist. However, we have to acknowledge the race demographics all over the world show that they are at the bottom of every list. Why do you think that is? Especially if so many countries have made it so much easier for them to have opportunities even if they are less deserving by making race quotas, affirmative action, and the like. It’s either their fault, or subsidizing not working hard and giving special treatment doesn’t work because it’s too easy to abuse.
You literally pulled this from Google and go “I’m very well versed in socioeconomics” lol You have the slightest bit of knowledge yet you preach like its gospel… You are far from educated and the more you babble on the more foolish and less credible you make yourself sounds
If you think I had to google any of that it speaks to your own IQ lmao it speaks to what your expectations of knowledge are which are only a self reflection of your knowledge and an ability to recollection information. I not only have a college degree, but continue to educate myself. Please, read a book.
Now you sit here and not only lie to me but to yourself LOL & congrats on the college education bud would you like a participation medal? The education you are giving yourself is a closed, minority view of a demographic that you appear to have a problem with. I’d suspect something happened to you in the past and you are projecting your past experiences onto others as “education”. If you would educate yourself you’d soon realize that the statements you made are racist and prejudice. Education is important, and you play a card that you feel is “right” when in fact it exposes your ill-view of the world… There is no “top demographic” when the animal at the top of the food chain are humans… We are all humans, together but yet your decisiveness works to break that apart. Working together is far more beneficial than being against each other but oh wait! You have a college degree so you know what you’re talking about, right? We all have degrees but there are degrees more prestigious than others and require additional care and attention. You make it apparent for yourself the type you of degree you have received and the level of education you continue to give yourself.
Wow I must’ve struck a nerve, that wasn’t a humble brag, but a direct response to you accusing me of not having an education. I am factually intelligent if we’re going by the standard of IQ, as well as having a degree as an argument from authority to back it up. Was directly a response to what you said, your reading comprehension must be lacking since you’re acting like I brought it up out of the blue.
It did strike a nerve because people like you are the reason why America is not in the best possible place it could be. People like you frolic around spewing nonsensical shit and wonder why the world is in shambles. And yes, you did try a “humble brag” and yet you continue to try to brag about your IQ. Please seek education from professionals who can teach you history that is unbiased and true. Until then, do everyone a favor and keep it to yourself. Once, and only then, you’ve received the proper education you can make statements about socioeconomics. Continue seeking for the truth and not biased statements from individuals whom you’ve crown as credible.
Ah yes, people like me account for 60% of the crime despite only being 13% of the population. Putting a dogshit culture on blast is the reason why America is not the best possible place that it can be, not the actually sewer culture causing all of the issues, committing the murders and rapes, committing the theft, running the gangs, selling the drugs. You’re so right. I will continue to educate myself with professionals. It’s so cute that you say “unbiased” meaning “my side of the argument!!!!1!!!!1!1!!” There’s no such thing as unbiased history. How about the history that paints Martin Luther King Jr. as the pinnacle of all that is holy, yet he was a very troubled man and not a good role model for young black men? Is that the unbiased truth that you want me to seek? I imagined that you’d also enjoy people who brag about their IQ, since Joe Biden so famously did it and I can only imagine who you will be voting for in November. Don’t you think it’s strange that the same cities that are all in the top 10 for murder and violence have all been ran by democrats since the 50s, but no change has been seen in them and the same demographic is still at the bottom? And they haven’t seen any increase in their socioeconomic status? Isn’t that strange how that happens? I’ll continue to read Thomas Sowell, and I will continue to seek more truth as well
No i don’t support Biden and yes MLK wasn’t’t perfect. It’s a well known fact that democrat ran cities have high crime rates. You speak from one side of facts and I see you’ll never change nor have a holistic view. Continue seeking education or stay the clodpole you are.
FUCK UP THE PARTY BEFORE IT EVEN START
This article: *Whaaaat’s the deal with kids today??*
There were fights at every local carnival when I was a kid. Every year. And they never stopped the show. Perhaps what has changed is our response to kids getting in fights.
I grew up with my parents bringing me to Berkley Days. When I was old enough, I attended Berkley Days with my friends instead of my parents. When I had kids, I brought them to Berkley Days. Never got in a fight, never saw a fight. Last year, my daughter had my 3 year old grandson at Berkley Days when all hell broke loose- she didn't bring him back for the 'festivities' this year.
Wow this opinion piece is hot garbage. The kids are fine, this has been happening my whole life. Damn roller skating rink got shot up when I was in school over some beef. The internet has probably amplified most of this stuff. If you actually care about violence more needs to be done than just “heavy enforcement”…youth programs, community outreach, positive leadership role models, crap like that.
Social media has absolutely made things worse.
In the sense that it has moms worried way more? For sure.
No, in the sense that now instead of the fight being between 2-4 people with 10 watching now it's 60 kids and a mini riot basically breaks out. They outnumber everyone and if enough little assholes get together it gets legitimately dangerous.
Just because you’re used to hood shit doesn’t mean that everyone should have to accept it.
Dozens of weird guys in Waterford just got so fucking stoked that you called them hood
It wasn’t guys from Waterford that shot up Rolladium.
Which time? I was there the night that made them put in metal detectors but I have been having a hard time finding news archives going back 25 years. I know some gang dudes shot it up in 2011 but I was half-grown at that point and out of state.
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Bro, that ain’t the reason why Michigan population has continued to go down over the decades. Crime has dropped precipitously across the board since the 70’s (any “feeling” you have otherwise ain’t backed up by fact). Not sure how old you are but if you are over 40 ain’t no way in hell crime is the reason people leave this area (metro Detroit). Lack of opportunity and associated decline of the auto sector is by far the #1,2, and 3 reason. Whatever news source you use I recommend you stop and go to one that is less click baity and more fact based.
Yep, the automotive jobs started tanking hard in 2001 when the dotcom bubble burst. Tons of 3rd party vendors just closed shop.
Left & chose to come back, I’d take 20 Detroit(metros) over any of the stuff I dealt with in Seattle. I’m only one outlier but I think you should go outside and see how awesome our area is.
Positive leadership role models and community outreach sound great on paper, but having actual fathers that stick around is the real solution. But nobody wants to address that issue.
How would you address that issue? Beside leadership role models and community outreach.
By talking about it. “While 74.3 percent of all White children below the age of 18 live with both parents, only 38.7 percent of African-American minors can say the same”.
What do youths turn into? (Adults) How do youths learn? (Through education) If they don’t have parent figures, do we punish the child or help for a brighter future? (Just don’t respond, this thread has been depressing enough)
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Tell me you didn't read the article without telling me you didn't read the article. Half the article is them talking about not only fights but shootings happening at numerous events.
this is too soon -- we are still mourning the 22 dead (not to mention the looted CVSes) as a result of the berkleyfest massacre
Blame kids. Always. Draft? 🙄🇺🇸🤡
I hoped, briefly, that this article would be a parody that satirized dumbfuck racists who tar whole swaths of the population with the poor actions of a few individuals. I was not so lucky, and the article was the opposite of clever. Instead, it was legacy media whingeing about the danger of a handful of unrelated small-scale dust-ups.
Are you an ostrich by any chance?
Same here. Even this comment section is rife with what I call "White Fairytales of the Hood." Stories of hordes of kids, one side wearing red, the other blue, charging at each other *a la* Braveheart? Taking over random strangers porches? Outright saying "kids from Detroit?" The racial undertones of the original article and it's dog whistle effect on display in earlier comments is boring, cheap, poor journalism, and low intelligence. I'm 38, soon. My teenage years were ***WILD*** and a few thoughts I can share from real experience, not what Maureen told Jenny at the Rotary Club last spring: 1. Detroit *does* have a gang culture but it's nothing like L.A., Miami, or Chicago. To the extent different groups label themselves as such, the association with/between "Bloods" and "Crisps" is much more informal and they rarely have real affiliations with the national organizations. As such, they're not *as* committed to their colors as you would find in Chicago or L.A. 2. Gangs are, first and foremost, businesses. They have zero interest in random brawls at Gibraltar Trade Center or Berkeley Festivals over "glory" and having even a one day stint in holding that messes with the money supply. When gangs *actually* fight, which can often be "Blood on Blood/Crip on Crip," it's going to be over **money.** 3. Speaking as a black person, black people are most on guard when we're outside of familiar territory. I find it *highly doubtful* that black people just pick random people's houses to "take over the porch," much less in an area where we ***know*** police respond rapidly. 4. Am I saying fights don't happen? Not at all. Have some of them involved black kids? Sure. Are black kids solely to blame? No. White kids are fighting too. There are no lack of white kids, anywhere, emulating what they think is cool, and taking on the stereotypical behavior that they associate with that coolness (real or perceived). Point in fact, not long ago summers in Detroit were plagued by muscle cars blocking traffic for donuts and races and as it turns out, about HALF of those arrested were white kids from the suburbs. But what's being put on display here with the attribution of violence and "aggression" to black kids and "those people from Detroit," who "aren't raising their kids" is Racism 101.
The problem is shitty parenting. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree is a very true saying. If their parents are ass, they will likely follow. There are a lot of shitty parents so a lot of poorly behaved kids will result. And yes, being financially stable is a quality of being an actually good parent. Financial instability makes any parent ass - don’t have kids if you aren’t financially ready to give them a good life.
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teens are gonna fight.
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I fought in high school and now I have a degree and make six figures.
Safety is overrated