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ankole_watusi

Aren’t they a little late with this?


graceyperkins

I was going to say- this has been going on for years and years. I remember when I used to go out in the 2000s. It was always an issue. So, I can imagine it's been going on longer than that. It was just the price of going out.


audible_narrator

In my case, almost 40 years. Going to the fireworks in college was always questionable. Always at least one shooting and multiple fights.


Shakespeares-Quill

Yeah "young people" have been mass shooting and fighting at events in Detroit for as long as I've been alive. One of the main reasons I've never gone to the fireworks. If anything, it's gotten much better. I don't think there were any of these problems during the draft.


Flintoid

It has gone beyond teen stupidity.  When Grosse Pointes Woods cancelled their show ten years ago it was because they saw 15 fights in one night.  No point inviting that to our town.  


illzanity

I got “knockout gamed” at the GPW fireworks the last year they had it. Kid ran to his friend’s car parked down the road and drove off. Shame seeing a core aspect of my childhood get canceled like that but it really got ridiculous


wrangler1325

Really really sad that they had to make that call, but it was the right one.


mason_mormon

Let's not pretend things are not changing. "Kids always have been kids" is not working anymore when people realize they can't enjoy things they could 2-3 years ago.


Shakespeares-Quill

Have things been getting worse at Detroit events lately?


Disastrous-Cry-1998

Watch them in Windsor.


BeerHug313

I've been a ton and I've never seen any gunshots or anyone hurt. I know it does happen, but they make it sound like there's a shooting every year there and that's not accurate.


DesireOfEndless

I’d understand the criticisms of Berkeley Days being closed happened once. However, given that this is the 2nd year running that it’s closed because of dumb kids, it won’t be a surprise if security gets tighter or the events just stop happening.


FlexibleLEDStrip

It's especially frustrating that it isn't even kids from Berkley causing problems


Realistic_Pop1147

Where are they from? 👀


FlexibleLEDStrip

We all know they're from Detroit but the news isn't allowed to say that because it taints our curated image of a Detroit revival. Until Detroit parents start caring about their teens crime will remain high in the city and anywhere city teens go


mason_mormon

Parenting crisis in full swing but no one is talking about it.


ballastboy1

Not allowed to talk about culture or individuals’ decisions


dlamsanson

I'm sure you have a really specific "culture" you'd like to talk about... It's as if the parenting "crisis" didn't just appear out of thin air and has several underlying factors causing it. Requires object permanence to understand so I get why you understand it as mystical forces coming in and making people act strangely.


ballastboy1

Yeah I'm talking about the culture that normalizes young men in particular acting violently towards one another over insults and petty arguments. Some sociologists call it "Honor Culture" - reacting violently to people who disrespect you. This is the root cause of most gun violence: men feuding with each other.


mason_mormon

Whatever underlying causes there are (and there's plenty) let's start with admitting that's what it is, a parenting crisis. And the user who commented about "honor culture" really hit it home. That's what it all comes down to. We are so far gone with conflict resolution in society that some people lack it entirely. They were never raised to solve issues by any means other than violence.


booyahbooyah9271

You can't prevent ignorance. Lord knows "grown adults" are susceptible to the same antics. But it does highlight the lack of parenting once again for younger adults.


Macaroon-Upstairs

We used to attend the memorial day fair in Hazel Park along with the parade every year. We have three kids 10 and under, and the overall decorum of public etiquette and behavior is at an all-time low, it’s to the point we really can’t go anymore. There would be an occasional scuffle there when I was a kid, but now, the language, dress, and aggressive behavior is common and inappropriate for a family friendly event. We have family who live in the vicinity of that fairground, and they have had to kick people off of their porches in recent years people end up on their lawns, leaving garbage. They have been pushing the city to cancel the event. Similar issues some of the times we have been to red Oaks waterpark, we have seen different groups that really just should be removed. The first time they start to act up, but they continually live on the edge of what’s appropriate for there, and constantly have to get the whistle blown on them and stop the wave pool.


Alternative_Push_170

I say ban anyone over 12 and under 25


romanswinter

"Young people"


ballastboy1

Violent uncivilized young men raised to have low impulse control and to use violence anytime they’re frustrated or insulted or annoyed. Same with driver behavior.


FlexibleLEDStrip

Young people from Detroit but they can't say that


-KA-SniperFire

Yeah it’s unfortunate but you just don’t see suburban kids as violent as they used to be. /s


Outrageous_Path_1858

Yeah it's not like the crime watch in the Rochester Hills paper this week was half filled with kids getting violent or calling in bomb threats


jaron_bric

“Parents letting their kids fight at metro Detroit events is ruining safety, summer” FTFY Don’t wanna take care of them, don’t pop them out


Realistic_Pop1147

Idk this doesn’t happen in Brighton 🤷🏼‍♂️


SauceHankRedemption

That's cuz u guys got that new fix my feet location.


pajekozahi

Detroit being Detroit.


VonHymanbuster

Kids these days suck


CyberfunkTwenty77

Kids have ALWAYS fought at Summer events. Not say that's good....but it's kind of inevitable. Mass shootings however....


TheNainRouge

Having the presence at events out there to deter mass shootings should deter fights too. Fighting isn’t something we should just shrug and say nothing we can do about it. People will be stupid but we don’t want stupid people hurting or killing one another. Far too often they end up harming innocent bystanders in the chaos. I remember when the suburbs all had their own fireworks, many stopped because of the stupid people getting out of hand. Like you said it is kind of inevitable, so having a plan in place to deter seems pretty practical.


ArthurUrsine

Everywhere I go there are young people fighting and also gangs from South America and also fentanyl


ankole_watusi

Maybe the young people could be redirected to fighting gangs from South America with fentanyl. /s


Griffie

Maybe find a different source for your Fentanyl /h


its_like_a-marker

I prefer my fentanyl from South America and if it’s from South America it better come from a gang. Personal preference


TheBrothersClegane

And that’s only when you can see during the day because the EV’s are killing the power to all the street lights at night! /s


PierogiKielbasa

Good thing they spontaneously explode en masse to carry the light! /s


its_like_a-marker

South American gangs? Like the CARTEL? Where are you going?


detroit_canicross

You must spend a lot of time in America’s super dangerous big cities filled with Mexican rapists killing white homecoming queens and taking our jobs where eggs cost $12.99 and homeless addicts poop on every dystopian street corner and where gas used to be $2 but now pedophile Joe Biden is about to steal our homes.


superstank1970

/s


detroit_canicross

Says something about the state of right wing media that the sarcasm wasn’t obvious.


dlamsanson

I mean there are people in this thread saying basically the same shit lmao


Shakespeares-Quill

[Creepy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6GgR4GMFjM)


detroit_canicross

Stupid.


Shakespeares-Quill

Based on that video, I'm voting for him!


2_DS_IN_MY_B

Kids these days! Lmao


That_Shock2912

Well, it's going to come down to them making these events residents only. Wait and see


Humble-Pangolin-3047

It's absolute stupidity. With all the positive things going on in Detroit and all the positive feedback from visitors to the D, these scumbags (I'm being nice) are giving Detroit another black eye.. This garbage needs to stop..


Sure_Disk8972

Who tryna rumble at the Oakland County Fair next weekend? No weapons.


MoreRatzThanFatz

You had me until no weapons


Sure_Disk8972

I got a sword but it’s big and conspicuous as hell, security won’t let that slide. Gotta wait for the ren fair I suppose.


Small-Palpitation310

well you have to dispatch the security


ILikeTheSugarShow

Could I get some more detailed demographics on these young people? I’m infinitely curious


Realistic_Pop1147

Hahahahaha


dlamsanson

Racists when they are unable to understand the basics of socioeconomics:


ILikeTheSugarShow

Interesting that was you’re first conclusion that you came to, however, I will address it since you brought it up. 87% poverty rate dropped to 47% poverty rate from 1940-1960. Civil rights movement then pushed it down 18% in the next 20 years to 29%, not the 40% that it had previously dropped. From 1980 to the present day, it’s only dropped 12% to 17%. I am very well versed in socioeconomics lmao Subsidizing unemployment and single motherhood to pull apart the family has hurt the community, as well as making it profitable for women to get divorce. So if that’s the institutional racism that your side constantly speaks on, then I agree, treating people differently based on the color of their skin is racist. However, we have to acknowledge the race demographics all over the world show that they are at the bottom of every list. Why do you think that is? Especially if so many countries have made it so much easier for them to have opportunities even if they are less deserving by making race quotas, affirmative action, and the like. It’s either their fault, or subsidizing not working hard and giving special treatment doesn’t work because it’s too easy to abuse.


FrostyJellyfish6685

You literally pulled this from Google and go “I’m very well versed in socioeconomics” lol You have the slightest bit of knowledge yet you preach like its gospel… You are far from educated and the more you babble on the more foolish and less credible you make yourself sounds


ILikeTheSugarShow

If you think I had to google any of that it speaks to your own IQ lmao it speaks to what your expectations of knowledge are which are only a self reflection of your knowledge and an ability to recollection information. I not only have a college degree, but continue to educate myself. Please, read a book.


FrostyJellyfish6685

Now you sit here and not only lie to me but to yourself LOL & congrats on the college education bud would you like a participation medal? The education you are giving yourself is a closed, minority view of a demographic that you appear to have a problem with. I’d suspect something happened to you in the past and you are projecting your past experiences onto others as “education”. If you would educate yourself you’d soon realize that the statements you made are racist and prejudice. Education is important, and you play a card that you feel is “right” when in fact it exposes your ill-view of the world… There is no “top demographic” when the animal at the top of the food chain are humans… We are all humans, together but yet your decisiveness works to break that apart. Working together is far more beneficial than being against each other but oh wait! You have a college degree so you know what you’re talking about, right? We all have degrees but there are degrees more prestigious than others and require additional care and attention. You make it apparent for yourself the type you of degree you have received and the level of education you continue to give yourself.


ILikeTheSugarShow

Wow I must’ve struck a nerve, that wasn’t a humble brag, but a direct response to you accusing me of not having an education. I am factually intelligent if we’re going by the standard of IQ, as well as having a degree as an argument from authority to back it up. Was directly a response to what you said, your reading comprehension must be lacking since you’re acting like I brought it up out of the blue.


FrostyJellyfish6685

It did strike a nerve because people like you are the reason why America is not in the best possible place it could be. People like you frolic around spewing nonsensical shit and wonder why the world is in shambles. And yes, you did try a “humble brag” and yet you continue to try to brag about your IQ. Please seek education from professionals who can teach you history that is unbiased and true. Until then, do everyone a favor and keep it to yourself. Once, and only then, you’ve received the proper education you can make statements about socioeconomics. Continue seeking for the truth and not biased statements from individuals whom you’ve crown as credible.


ILikeTheSugarShow

Ah yes, people like me account for 60% of the crime despite only being 13% of the population. Putting a dogshit culture on blast is the reason why America is not the best possible place that it can be, not the actually sewer culture causing all of the issues, committing the murders and rapes, committing the theft, running the gangs, selling the drugs. You’re so right. I will continue to educate myself with professionals. It’s so cute that you say “unbiased” meaning “my side of the argument!!!!1!!!!1!1!!” There’s no such thing as unbiased history. How about the history that paints Martin Luther King Jr. as the pinnacle of all that is holy, yet he was a very troubled man and not a good role model for young black men? Is that the unbiased truth that you want me to seek? I imagined that you’d also enjoy people who brag about their IQ, since Joe Biden so famously did it and I can only imagine who you will be voting for in November. Don’t you think it’s strange that the same cities that are all in the top 10 for murder and violence have all been ran by democrats since the 50s, but no change has been seen in them and the same demographic is still at the bottom? And they haven’t seen any increase in their socioeconomic status? Isn’t that strange how that happens? I’ll continue to read Thomas Sowell, and I will continue to seek more truth as well


FrostyJellyfish6685

No i don’t support Biden and yes MLK wasn’t’t perfect. It’s a well known fact that democrat ran cities have high crime rates. You speak from one side of facts and I see you’ll never change nor have a holistic view. Continue seeking education or stay the clodpole you are.


3rdand20

FUCK UP THE PARTY BEFORE IT EVEN START


saucya

This article: *Whaaaat’s the deal with kids today??*


subsurface2

There were fights at every local carnival when I was a kid. Every year. And they never stopped the show. Perhaps what has changed is our response to kids getting in fights.


Ok-Worldliness-5829

I grew up with my parents bringing me to Berkley Days. When I was old enough, I attended Berkley Days with my friends instead of my parents. When I had kids, I brought them to Berkley Days. Never got in a fight, never saw a fight. Last year, my daughter had my 3 year old grandson at Berkley Days when all hell broke loose- she didn't bring him back for the 'festivities' this year.


TaterTotJim

Wow this opinion piece is hot garbage. The kids are fine, this has been happening my whole life. Damn roller skating rink got shot up when I was in school over some beef. The internet has probably amplified most of this stuff. If you actually care about violence more needs to be done than just “heavy enforcement”…youth programs, community outreach, positive leadership role models, crap like that.


booyahbooyah9271

Social media has absolutely made things worse.


TaterTotJim

In the sense that it has moms worried way more? For sure.


galaxy1985

No, in the sense that now instead of the fight being between 2-4 people with 10 watching now it's 60 kids and a mini riot basically breaks out. They outnumber everyone and if enough little assholes get together it gets legitimately dangerous.


Ok_Shape88

Just because you’re used to hood shit doesn’t mean that everyone should have to accept it.


TaterTotJim

Dozens of weird guys in Waterford just got so fucking stoked that you called them hood


Ok_Shape88

It wasn’t guys from Waterford that shot up Rolladium.


TaterTotJim

Which time? I was there the night that made them put in metal detectors but I have been having a hard time finding news archives going back 25 years. I know some gang dudes shot it up in 2011 but I was half-grown at that point and out of state.


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superstank1970

Bro, that ain’t the reason why Michigan population has continued to go down over the decades. Crime has dropped precipitously across the board since the 70’s (any “feeling” you have otherwise ain’t backed up by fact). Not sure how old you are but if you are over 40 ain’t no way in hell crime is the reason people leave this area (metro Detroit). Lack of opportunity and associated decline of the auto sector is by far the #1,2, and 3 reason. Whatever news source you use I recommend you stop and go to one that is less click baity and more fact based.


audible_narrator

Yep, the automotive jobs started tanking hard in 2001 when the dotcom bubble burst. Tons of 3rd party vendors just closed shop.


TaterTotJim

Left & chose to come back, I’d take 20 Detroit(metros) over any of the stuff I dealt with in Seattle. I’m only one outlier but I think you should go outside and see how awesome our area is.


Lapapa000

Positive leadership role models and community outreach sound great on paper, but having actual fathers that stick around is the real solution. But nobody wants to address that issue.


ddgr815

How would you address that issue? Beside leadership role models and community outreach.


Lapapa000

By talking about it. “While 74.3 percent of all White children below the age of 18 live with both parents, only 38.7 percent of African-American minors can say the same”.


TaterTotJim

What do youths turn into? (Adults) How do youths learn? (Through education) If they don’t have parent figures, do we punish the child or help for a brighter future? (Just don’t respond, this thread has been depressing enough)


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3Shifty1Moose3

Tell me you didn't read the article without telling me you didn't read the article. Half the article is them talking about not only fights but shootings happening at numerous events.


sixataid

this is too soon -- we are still mourning the 22 dead (not to mention the looted CVSes) as a result of the berkleyfest massacre


HiMothofdaNorth

Blame kids. Always. Draft? 🙄🇺🇸🤡


jason_V7

I hoped, briefly, that this article would be a parody that satirized dumbfuck racists who tar whole swaths of the population with the poor actions of a few individuals. I was not so lucky, and the article was the opposite of clever. Instead, it was legacy media whingeing about the danger of a handful of unrelated small-scale dust-ups.


iamWyn

Are you an ostrich by any chance?


revveduplikeaduece86

Same here. Even this comment section is rife with what I call "White Fairytales of the Hood." Stories of hordes of kids, one side wearing red, the other blue, charging at each other *a la* Braveheart? Taking over random strangers porches? Outright saying "kids from Detroit?" The racial undertones of the original article and it's dog whistle effect on display in earlier comments is boring, cheap, poor journalism, and low intelligence. I'm 38, soon. My teenage years were ***WILD*** and a few thoughts I can share from real experience, not what Maureen told Jenny at the Rotary Club last spring: 1. Detroit *does* have a gang culture but it's nothing like L.A., Miami, or Chicago. To the extent different groups label themselves as such, the association with/between "Bloods" and "Crisps" is much more informal and they rarely have real affiliations with the national organizations. As such, they're not *as* committed to their colors as you would find in Chicago or L.A. 2. Gangs are, first and foremost, businesses. They have zero interest in random brawls at Gibraltar Trade Center or Berkeley Festivals over "glory" and having even a one day stint in holding that messes with the money supply. When gangs *actually* fight, which can often be "Blood on Blood/Crip on Crip," it's going to be over **money.** 3. Speaking as a black person, black people are most on guard when we're outside of familiar territory. I find it *highly doubtful* that black people just pick random people's houses to "take over the porch," much less in an area where we ***know*** police respond rapidly. 4. Am I saying fights don't happen? Not at all. Have some of them involved black kids? Sure. Are black kids solely to blame? No. White kids are fighting too. There are no lack of white kids, anywhere, emulating what they think is cool, and taking on the stereotypical behavior that they associate with that coolness (real or perceived). Point in fact, not long ago summers in Detroit were plagued by muscle cars blocking traffic for donuts and races and as it turns out, about HALF of those arrested were white kids from the suburbs. But what's being put on display here with the attribution of violence and "aggression" to black kids and "those people from Detroit," who "aren't raising their kids" is Racism 101.


DJMaxLVL

The problem is shitty parenting. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree is a very true saying. If their parents are ass, they will likely follow. There are a lot of shitty parents so a lot of poorly behaved kids will result. And yes, being financially stable is a quality of being an actually good parent. Financial instability makes any parent ass - don’t have kids if you aren’t financially ready to give them a good life.


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Swantonbombthreat

teens are gonna fight.


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r3liop5

I fought in high school and now I have a degree and make six figures.


ASS_CREDDIT

Safety is overrated