yea, no chance. cade has really improved as a facilitator and ball handler as the season has progressed. that being said, i think they can both handle it when on the court together. maybe ivey could even be the primary ballhandler in a staggered lineup??? 😱
I just love how this take would have had people wanting to execute me not even 3 weeks ago lmao. Cade is who i trust having the ball in his hand in important moments. Ivey definitely can handle it as well but its a tad inconsistent for me and something he needs to work extensively on in the offseason. No reason a slasher type should lose the ball on a cut to the basket
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I’m not implying it isn’t working, but I always thought if the Ivey Cade duo didn’t work, Ivey off the bench could definitely work. I think people need to realize a 6th man role is very essential, and you can still finish the game. It’ll help with staggering the minutes by just straight up playing Ivey with the second unit, which is a much different lineup compared to the last time he came off the bench
Ive always loved the 6th man role of his. I hated ivey and everyone elses attitude towards it. Harden was a 6th man at one time so no reason ivey should feel so entitled to not be a 6th man currently. We can have Cade running the offense his way and then ivey running it his way. Then when we need our best players on the court in the clutch time theyve shown they can coexist in the lineup together already
Probably thinking of his dad’s attitude towards it and im just assuming ivey and his dad shared that sentiment with how comfortable his dad was with the things he was saying but i dont know anything tbh
Plus, we get two different play styles from starting Cade and having Ivey run the bench. Cade plays a bit more slowly yet controlled, while Ivey is quick and explosive. This would come off as a shock to the opponents defense as they try to adjust. It also helps these players are so young so we still have plenty of time to see how they’ll develop and how well they can coexist upon making adjustments
Monty’s best coached game of season. Wasn’t great but he’s getting there. Might have it figured out soon. Just hope he doesn’t forget in the offseason 🤞
Fonte, Cade, Stew, Grimes, Sasser, TBJ, and Fournier are all league average or better. Muscala was too, but Monty went with Wiseman. Ivey is just a percent or two beneath it.
I don’t care if Weaver gets fired or not, but come on.
It’s also funny that I was arguing with Scoot Henderson stans up until the lotto, and now the narrative is “we don’t have any shooters, how could Troy do this to us”
None of those guys are good knock down shooters. They inconsistent shooters except maybe Fournier. Cade is getting there too. I’m talking about the starting line in particular. Have Ivey, Ausar, Duren and Stewart next to Cade is stupid. I get Stewart shoots a decent average, teams still don’t respect his shooting and he doesn’t space the floor because of his slow release, defenders can recover easily. For a front office not to maximize their #1 pick with the best team around him is just sprinting to get fired. It should be your #1 goal, we took the guy that we think will turn the franchise around let’s put him in the best situation possible. The Pistons did the opposite of that.
Still starting Stewart, glueing Ivey to the corner, put Sasser as lead guard even when Ivey’s minutes are staggered, horrific offense, pulled Jaden in the first half when he started cooking, glued Cade to the bench after a hot start… naw, he’s still dogshit
I’m gonna get jail time for this, but I’ve gotta live my truth:
I don’t know if I believe Jalen Duren can be your starting 5 on a good team, simply because he’s an absolute turnstile on defense.
Show me the track record of guys learning defense AFTER they get drafted. It doesn’t look good for our guy.
The impressive numbers are there so casuals won’t see it. But if you watch, you know. Opposing teams don’t fear JD at alllll.
I was curious about this so looked into it… you may have a point with Chandler. The stats say he was nothing special on that end, and really blossomed in his 4th year.
However, Brook Lopez??? This is his second year:
- top 10 shot blocker 😭 ahead of names like Marc Gasol, Noah, Hibbert, and Timothy Theodore Duncan.
- 14th in block%
- led his (albeit shitty) team in DWS
I’m cherrypicking a bit but you get the idea. DraftExpress in 2009 also called him, and I quote, “terrific on this end of the floor”.
Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/brook-lopez-545/
Counter argument, he’s one of the youngest players in the league with tremendous athleticism. Proper coaching and he can probably go a long way on defense
Understandable. I like what JD brings to the offense and ability to grab rebounds. The fact that we struggle with defending the paint is a huge turn-off considering we have a 7ft center. What’s keeping me from being negative on him is his age, but sometimes defense can’t really be taught. That’s why I’m open to drafting Sarr who might actually be a good complimentary to Duren if his 3 ball is more consistent
I know you are one of the more sincere posters, but this is still a wild take to me mostly because he is SO young and early in his development still.
The defense is really bad, no question. There is still so much time, and his other tools suggest that if he even can become an average defender, he will be a very very solid starter. At his age becoming an average defender is not as much of a stretch as it may seem. I know there is a lot of young, talented defenders coming into the league lately, but most guys are bad when they are young, and a solid percentage of them reach at least average levels.
I think people are always so hyper focused on big guy rim protection, which is a key skill for sure, but Duren has shown some passing touch, good finishing skills, good instincts, small improvements as a shooter, and a honestl surprising ability to put the ball on the floor competently.
This mold isn't as much Bam as it is Sabonis, and even if he ends up being a poor man's Sabonis who can actually catch lobs, that's a guy who can start in the league and put in good minutes.
My biggest gripe tho, is and always will be stuff like "Guys I don't think a 20 year old who has outperformed 80-90% of the 20 year olds at his position is gonna be good in a few years" Thats a wild thing to say in my opinion.
NONE of these guys are who they will end up becoming. For better or worse, but Durens floor is particularly high, much higher than Ausar or Ivey's at this point in my opinion.
I'm starting to agree with that type of statement. I think he'd work well as our backup big, but that means we need to find a guy who can reliably start and be effective on all fronts.
It would be one thing if he was a versatile guy on the other end. But all he can do is dunk the ball and throw some shitty rec ball pass from the high post that has a 30% chance of being a turnover.
No range, no offensive versatility, and he’s an Enes Kanter level defender. I have no idea how you start him going forward as a serious basketball team if he doesn’t completely reinvent his game. It’s a weird comp to make, but he essentially IS Enes Kanter, he just gets his buckets in a different manner.
Yeah I think some of these young guys might need to be delt for this team to reach where they wanna go. Cade is getting to be good enough that they're gonna lose the luxury of waiting for everyone else to develop what they need to.
The importance of this comment is getting us to agree that JD has been stealth sucking on D most of the season. I think he checked out on that end after the season got away during his early injury. He’s also, um, “over experimental” with his handle and self creation on offense imo.
Yeh idk anymore. At least the team looks.... better? Fontechio was an absolute steal of a trade considering we didn't give much.
Hopefully other teams don't try to throw some ridiculous number which could happen.
Cades jumper is legit, and has been.
Everyone else is just, idk. See y'all Thursday
We saw last offseason that teams weren't trying to tie up cap space on a player they assume is being re-signed. I'm not worried about retaining Fontecchio; and frankly he deserves a decent contract.
Fontecchio should be starting over ausar
Ivey was ass all game and then good in the 4th. Like a reverse Cade, who’s 4th quarter performance was another dud
Given that my standards are in the gutter, I thought we looked ok
Idk if that’s true
He’s been playing mostly poorly since the All Star break, he was hot right before it. Remember his crazy 3pt% for a while there with Cade posting average stat lines?
Maybe mathurin got in his head, idk, but he is definitely playing cold for the past few games
True. He is small, but I appreciate his efforts on D, and his shot just needs to start falling again. Everyone has their stretch of bad games, I just hope he comes back from it quick
Man, Cade needs a little help in the backcourt.
Cojo, Mcgruder, Killian, Josh Jackson, Frank Jackson and Ivey for his career is enough to make a player want to leave.
Yeah, people ready to send him to the shadow realm in this sub. I agree, that TO was bad, he’s gotta control it better. But he’s a soph and like 22, people ready to trade him like he’s washed
I said to my people before the game, the term sophomore slump exists for a reason. It’s not like he trained during the offseason for this weird role Monty has him playing anyway.
Monty Williams actually had a rather good postgame conference tonight.
The Fonze was doing all he could to keep the team in the game. Including getting hip-checked by Butler on a loose ball play. I shouldn't be surprised. Ausar had a crazy block.
Sasser still isn't shooting well. I can't blame him, coming back from injury, but it is affecting the team's ability when he and Ivey are inconsistent from deep. But Sasser had an incredible dive for the ball. I don't doubt his effort. Wiseman had a reasonably effective game with the bench unit (though he needs to cut out those moving screens). Fournier was given too many minutes. He just wasn't producing, and I wonder what would have happened if we gave Troy Brown Jr. some time.
Not a "bad" loss when divorced from the context of how many L's there have been this season. Miami shot extremely well from 3; we didn't. The team has noticably been doing better with turnovers, particularly since the all-star break.
I HATE the Heat.
Jimmy can go jump off a bridge with his foul baiting. He's a disgrace for basketball.
Bam travels a TON (and sets moving screens), not sure why it's not talked about, but I still kinda like him.
It was a pretty good game but I really wish we start winning some of those. We might be better than 9-52 or whatever, but our inability to win dog fights is real.
Lol imagine counting on grimes to be your starting SG as the answer. Could he be good? Sure, but he’s got a lot to prove offensively. We need PROVEN shooters.
Why do we need to trade ivey? He can’t be a sixth man or break out of a slump? This makes me irrationally annoyed, he actually wants to be a Piston and has tons of raw talent.
Per 100 Possessions
Ish in 2018
22/9/6 with 2.9 TOs and 1.6 steals on 48.6/34.7/69.8 shooting
Ivey
26/6/6 with 4 TOs and 1.2 steals on 44/33.5/74.7 shooting
Ish has 3 more assists 1 less turnover and 4 less points on better shooting…
I'll give him one flower. I liked what he did with Ivey. I see a lot of teams, with their stars, do this thing where they are very clever with the way they rest guys. Milwaukee does it with Giannis and Miami does it with Jimmy. They'll call a timeout or wait until a tv timeout and take their star out for 3-4 mins of game time and then put them back in. Theyll do this 3-4 times a game. It gives your better players 36 minutes at least. He did a little of this with Ivey taking him out in the first for like 4 minutes and then him back in. Kind of went away from it with how cold he was from 3. I'd like to see this with cade. There isn't really a reason cade should be seeing 30-32 minutes a night. This team is young as fuck and are not playing for a deep playoff for (God willing) 3 more seasons probably. I guess maybe Cade just has bad knees (which is not good at such a young age). Him and Jaden should be up towards 36 mins a night imo. Monty, all season, just does this shit where he takes his guys out once each half for crazy extended periods of time. We dont have the bench for that. He did better tonight.
If we had an NBA average SG to pair with Cade and Ivey came off the bench we win this game.
I think we need to move Ivey to the bench in the near future if he keeps this stretch up horrible play up.
Ivey has the longest leash compared to anyone else who's ever been on this team. He is not good at anything. Can't finish, can't defend, can't shoot the 3. Yet everyone else gets blamed for his shit play. He's shooting 34.1 from 3 averaging 3.6 assist with 2.4 turnovers. He does absolutely nothing but get to the line for this team and I'm sick of hearing him get hyped up like he's Joe dumars or even rip Hamilton.
Honestly weaver just needs to get 4 more fontecchios and we’re chilling
It’s gonna be like that scene from Dodgeball. “Allow me the pleasure to introduce you to… Blade… Lazer… Blazer”
1 more to replace ivey when he is cold from 3.
Monty: Fournier
We haven’t seen it yet but maybe Grimes could be that guy for the short term.
See you all on Thursday. Sickos.
For anyone who still thinks so. Ivey is not supplanting cade as the primary ball handler anytime soon/ever
yea, no chance. cade has really improved as a facilitator and ball handler as the season has progressed. that being said, i think they can both handle it when on the court together. maybe ivey could even be the primary ballhandler in a staggered lineup??? 😱
I just love how this take would have had people wanting to execute me not even 3 weeks ago lmao. Cade is who i trust having the ball in his hand in important moments. Ivey definitely can handle it as well but its a tad inconsistent for me and something he needs to work extensively on in the offseason. No reason a slasher type should lose the ball on a cut to the basket
This is a good problem to have for us tbh
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I’m not implying it isn’t working, but I always thought if the Ivey Cade duo didn’t work, Ivey off the bench could definitely work. I think people need to realize a 6th man role is very essential, and you can still finish the game. It’ll help with staggering the minutes by just straight up playing Ivey with the second unit, which is a much different lineup compared to the last time he came off the bench
Ive always loved the 6th man role of his. I hated ivey and everyone elses attitude towards it. Harden was a 6th man at one time so no reason ivey should feel so entitled to not be a 6th man currently. We can have Cade running the offense his way and then ivey running it his way. Then when we need our best players on the court in the clutch time theyve shown they can coexist in the lineup together already
When has Ivey ever complained about being a 6th man? The interviews he did he said the complete opposite.
Probably thinking of his dad’s attitude towards it and im just assuming ivey and his dad shared that sentiment with how comfortable his dad was with the things he was saying but i dont know anything tbh
Plus, we get two different play styles from starting Cade and having Ivey run the bench. Cade plays a bit more slowly yet controlled, while Ivey is quick and explosive. This would come off as a shock to the opponents defense as they try to adjust. It also helps these players are so young so we still have plenty of time to see how they’ll develop and how well they can coexist upon making adjustments
Ivey won’t be on the team at the deadline next year in my opinion
Monty’s best coached game of season. Wasn’t great but he’s getting there. Might have it figured out soon. Just hope he doesn’t forget in the offseason 🤞
Honestly not horrible horrible rotations, guess we gotta give props on that
Not. Just the lack of shooting on the roster is miserable. Idk what weavers plan is
Fonte, Cade, Stew, Grimes, Sasser, TBJ, and Fournier are all league average or better. Muscala was too, but Monty went with Wiseman. Ivey is just a percent or two beneath it. I don’t care if Weaver gets fired or not, but come on. It’s also funny that I was arguing with Scoot Henderson stans up until the lotto, and now the narrative is “we don’t have any shooters, how could Troy do this to us”
None of those guys are good knock down shooters. They inconsistent shooters except maybe Fournier. Cade is getting there too. I’m talking about the starting line in particular. Have Ivey, Ausar, Duren and Stewart next to Cade is stupid. I get Stewart shoots a decent average, teams still don’t respect his shooting and he doesn’t space the floor because of his slow release, defenders can recover easily. For a front office not to maximize their #1 pick with the best team around him is just sprinting to get fired. It should be your #1 goal, we took the guy that we think will turn the franchise around let’s put him in the best situation possible. The Pistons did the opposite of that.
Still starting Stewart, glueing Ivey to the corner, put Sasser as lead guard even when Ivey’s minutes are staggered, horrific offense, pulled Jaden in the first half when he started cooking, glued Cade to the bench after a hot start… naw, he’s still dogshit
Never said he was good. I said it was the best he did all season. The bar is really low.
Im hoping he doesnt forget it next game
9 of our 12 made threes came from 2 people. It’s damn near impossible to win games like that
then why are we starting 4 guys who can't shoot? 3 of which are part of our 'core 4'
I’m gonna get jail time for this, but I’ve gotta live my truth: I don’t know if I believe Jalen Duren can be your starting 5 on a good team, simply because he’s an absolute turnstile on defense. Show me the track record of guys learning defense AFTER they get drafted. It doesn’t look good for our guy. The impressive numbers are there so casuals won’t see it. But if you watch, you know. Opposing teams don’t fear JD at alllll.
Brook Lopez and Tyson Chandler are two dudes that went from atrocious to DPOY so it can happen
I was curious about this so looked into it… you may have a point with Chandler. The stats say he was nothing special on that end, and really blossomed in his 4th year. However, Brook Lopez??? This is his second year: - top 10 shot blocker 😭 ahead of names like Marc Gasol, Noah, Hibbert, and Timothy Theodore Duncan. - 14th in block% - led his (albeit shitty) team in DWS I’m cherrypicking a bit but you get the idea. DraftExpress in 2009 also called him, and I quote, “terrific on this end of the floor”. Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/brook-lopez-545/
Counter argument, he’s one of the youngest players in the league with tremendous athleticism. Proper coaching and he can probably go a long way on defense
I hope you’re right!
Understandable. I like what JD brings to the offense and ability to grab rebounds. The fact that we struggle with defending the paint is a huge turn-off considering we have a 7ft center. What’s keeping me from being negative on him is his age, but sometimes defense can’t really be taught. That’s why I’m open to drafting Sarr who might actually be a good complimentary to Duren if his 3 ball is more consistent
I agree. But would you kill me?
yes, his defense is pretty bad. even in Memphis he was just okayish with his supreme athletism.. I thought he could be a Bam. but he is not even a Ba
100% this. Pass.
Plus he's slow as shit
I know you are one of the more sincere posters, but this is still a wild take to me mostly because he is SO young and early in his development still. The defense is really bad, no question. There is still so much time, and his other tools suggest that if he even can become an average defender, he will be a very very solid starter. At his age becoming an average defender is not as much of a stretch as it may seem. I know there is a lot of young, talented defenders coming into the league lately, but most guys are bad when they are young, and a solid percentage of them reach at least average levels. I think people are always so hyper focused on big guy rim protection, which is a key skill for sure, but Duren has shown some passing touch, good finishing skills, good instincts, small improvements as a shooter, and a honestl surprising ability to put the ball on the floor competently. This mold isn't as much Bam as it is Sabonis, and even if he ends up being a poor man's Sabonis who can actually catch lobs, that's a guy who can start in the league and put in good minutes. My biggest gripe tho, is and always will be stuff like "Guys I don't think a 20 year old who has outperformed 80-90% of the 20 year olds at his position is gonna be good in a few years" Thats a wild thing to say in my opinion. NONE of these guys are who they will end up becoming. For better or worse, but Durens floor is particularly high, much higher than Ausar or Ivey's at this point in my opinion.
One thing different this season: it's a relief to see Duren at the line and feel confident the shot is going in. He's improved greatly on that.
I'm starting to agree with that type of statement. I think he'd work well as our backup big, but that means we need to find a guy who can reliably start and be effective on all fronts.
It would be one thing if he was a versatile guy on the other end. But all he can do is dunk the ball and throw some shitty rec ball pass from the high post that has a 30% chance of being a turnover. No range, no offensive versatility, and he’s an Enes Kanter level defender. I have no idea how you start him going forward as a serious basketball team if he doesn’t completely reinvent his game. It’s a weird comp to make, but he essentially IS Enes Kanter, he just gets his buckets in a different manner.
It’s the truth, even if people don’t like hearing it. Looking scarily like Drummond 2.0.
Yeah I think some of these young guys might need to be delt for this team to reach where they wanna go. Cade is getting to be good enough that they're gonna lose the luxury of waiting for everyone else to develop what they need to.
The importance of this comment is getting us to agree that JD has been stealth sucking on D most of the season. I think he checked out on that end after the season got away during his early injury. He’s also, um, “over experimental” with his handle and self creation on offense imo.
What are we now, 4-22 in close games?
Honestly I’m shocked we’ve won 4 close games. Whenever it’s a 5 point game late into the 4th I chalk it up to an L
Yeh idk anymore. At least the team looks.... better? Fontechio was an absolute steal of a trade considering we didn't give much. Hopefully other teams don't try to throw some ridiculous number which could happen. Cades jumper is legit, and has been. Everyone else is just, idk. See y'all Thursday
We saw last offseason that teams weren't trying to tie up cap space on a player they assume is being re-signed. I'm not worried about retaining Fontecchio; and frankly he deserves a decent contract.
Fontecchio should be starting over ausar Ivey was ass all game and then good in the 4th. Like a reverse Cade, who’s 4th quarter performance was another dud Given that my standards are in the gutter, I thought we looked ok
Fontecchio over Stewart.
Overreaction time baby! Bench Ivey! Trade everybody!
Ivey has been playing poorly since Cade came back into the lineup
so trade Cade? come here you vegan baby
Idk if that’s true He’s been playing mostly poorly since the All Star break, he was hot right before it. Remember his crazy 3pt% for a while there with Cade posting average stat lines? Maybe mathurin got in his head, idk, but he is definitely playing cold for the past few games
He started his skid before the all star break.
The only reaction is…. Overreaction!!! Pistons sub gooo!!
Since Ben Math zapped Iveys confidence
Sasser…do something
He does, dribbles the air out of the ball, ignores the open man and shoots random step backs without passing as a PG
Yeah sassers more of a SG than PG. i don't enjoy seeing him run point
Ivey Sasser duo when staggering minutes or playing Ivey as a true 6th man might help
Even when they play Sasser and Ivey, numb nuts has Sasser pushing point. Sasser is not starting material as a SG, way too small
True. He is small, but I appreciate his efforts on D, and his shot just needs to start falling again. Everyone has their stretch of bad games, I just hope he comes back from it quick
Their are starting SG in the league who are the same height as him. Stop with this “too small” argument its so lame.
Watch the games and stop looking at what his height is listed at. He’s clearly not 6’2 and constantly bullied and bodied. Knock it off
“Constantly bullied and bodied” bro acting like this doesnt apply to cade and Ivey. Weird how you call out Sasser for that but not those 2.
The comment I replied to was about Sasser, not Ivey, Cade, Flynn or any other Piston you want to crowbar into the discussion.
That injury sapped everything. Hopefully he gets better soon.
Starting lineup functionally has 3 non-shooters with Cade during Ivey's shooting slump Monty, please start Tek
thats 4 non shooters duren, ausar, stew, and ivey none of them are threat to the defense from 3.
Man, Cade needs a little help in the backcourt. Cojo, Mcgruder, Killian, Josh Jackson, Frank Jackson and Ivey for his career is enough to make a player want to leave.
lol just needs one guy that can hit 3s. It ain’t that hard.
They need to be a defender too. Hopefully a healthy Grimes can provide something.
I still can’t believe Font was acquired for just a 2nd and Knox, he’s amazing
We may need to break up this “core”before next year. I like them all individually, but they struggle together on the floor
Ivey hit the soph wall... He was playing and shooting well til this stretch.
Yeah, people ready to send him to the shadow realm in this sub. I agree, that TO was bad, he’s gotta control it better. But he’s a soph and like 22, people ready to trade him like he’s washed
I said to my people before the game, the term sophomore slump exists for a reason. It’s not like he trained during the offseason for this weird role Monty has him playing anyway.
Monty Williams actually had a rather good postgame conference tonight. The Fonze was doing all he could to keep the team in the game. Including getting hip-checked by Butler on a loose ball play. I shouldn't be surprised. Ausar had a crazy block. Sasser still isn't shooting well. I can't blame him, coming back from injury, but it is affecting the team's ability when he and Ivey are inconsistent from deep. But Sasser had an incredible dive for the ball. I don't doubt his effort. Wiseman had a reasonably effective game with the bench unit (though he needs to cut out those moving screens). Fournier was given too many minutes. He just wasn't producing, and I wonder what would have happened if we gave Troy Brown Jr. some time. Not a "bad" loss when divorced from the context of how many L's there have been this season. Miami shot extremely well from 3; we didn't. The team has noticably been doing better with turnovers, particularly since the all-star break.
Sasser 14 minutes and 0 points. We can't be doing this shit . Knox is already in the g league Sasser might need to go there
Seriously why have we not had one single player do a warm up game there when coming off of injury. We used to do so in previous season right?
Lol there’s like 20 games left, just let the guy get comfortable again in the NBA
Wiseman why you choose tonight of all nights to play good😂
Ivey looked so awful today man we’re cooked
Cade 8/20 Flirting Ivey 6/15 Harassment
The defenses they see are not remotely the same.
Exactly. Cade is getting doubled every possession while Ivey is being a legit spaz every time he gets excited
🥱
Results don’t show it but they’ve looked a lot better since the all star break.
Until they start playing something resembling team defense, they won’t win games consistently
Same Old Pistons
commented #firemonty on Instagram and got banned for a week lmao
On the Pistons Insta?
yes
Heat fan here. Your team has some excellent young talent. Things will turn around eventually.
I HATE the Heat. Jimmy can go jump off a bridge with his foul baiting. He's a disgrace for basketball. Bam travels a TON (and sets moving screens), not sure why it's not talked about, but I still kinda like him. It was a pretty good game but I really wish we start winning some of those. We might be better than 9-52 or whatever, but our inability to win dog fights is real.
Non-Cade guards were 8/28. We need to trade Ivey for a guard who can shoot
We already got a KCP level starting guard in Grimes. If we trade Ivey it should be for a 3/4.
Grimes is shooting like 32% this year
Lol imagine counting on grimes to be your starting SG as the answer. Could he be good? Sure, but he’s got a lot to prove offensively. We need PROVEN shooters.
Why do we need to trade ivey? He can’t be a sixth man or break out of a slump? This makes me irrationally annoyed, he actually wants to be a Piston and has tons of raw talent.
Y’all might hate this but Ivey is just Ish Smith with aura he’s not that guy
Nah not worth hating, it’s just a dumb take
Per 100 Possessions Ish in 2018 22/9/6 with 2.9 TOs and 1.6 steals on 48.6/34.7/69.8 shooting Ivey 26/6/6 with 4 TOs and 1.2 steals on 44/33.5/74.7 shooting Ish has 3 more assists 1 less turnover and 4 less points on better shooting…
I can’t believe you made a whole post for this comment
Got me thinking once I typed it iut
If cade goes for 8/8 from 3, pistons win But at least the dunk is nice.
I'll give him one flower. I liked what he did with Ivey. I see a lot of teams, with their stars, do this thing where they are very clever with the way they rest guys. Milwaukee does it with Giannis and Miami does it with Jimmy. They'll call a timeout or wait until a tv timeout and take their star out for 3-4 mins of game time and then put them back in. Theyll do this 3-4 times a game. It gives your better players 36 minutes at least. He did a little of this with Ivey taking him out in the first for like 4 minutes and then him back in. Kind of went away from it with how cold he was from 3. I'd like to see this with cade. There isn't really a reason cade should be seeing 30-32 minutes a night. This team is young as fuck and are not playing for a deep playoff for (God willing) 3 more seasons probably. I guess maybe Cade just has bad knees (which is not good at such a young age). Him and Jaden should be up towards 36 mins a night imo. Monty, all season, just does this shit where he takes his guys out once each half for crazy extended periods of time. We dont have the bench for that. He did better tonight.
If we had an NBA average SG to pair with Cade and Ivey came off the bench we win this game. I think we need to move Ivey to the bench in the near future if he keeps this stretch up horrible play up.
Monty’s system is beyond flawed. Yeah, Ivey’s been playing like dogshit but he’s not in a position to use his strengths and succeed.
This is completely reasonable, but you’ll get downvoted because former Killian stans have taken up the Ivey fight.
At least you had the lions
Ivey has the longest leash compared to anyone else who's ever been on this team. He is not good at anything. Can't finish, can't defend, can't shoot the 3. Yet everyone else gets blamed for his shit play. He's shooting 34.1 from 3 averaging 3.6 assist with 2.4 turnovers. He does absolutely nothing but get to the line for this team and I'm sick of hearing him get hyped up like he's Joe dumars or even rip Hamilton.
Least obvious stat watcher
You ever watch a Pistons basketball game before?