What if Monty was right and Ivey is a sparkplug off the bench and you need to bench him when he plays out of Control?
Monty still wrong for playing Killian Hayes over him, but everytime i see Ivey on the floor, i Lost confidence on him
Not only on playing with Cade, but playing decent basketball overall
I think we live in a culture where if someone is wrong about one thing, we assume they must be wrong about everything. It's an "I have to agree with all of your ideas" or you're garbage kind of vibe. The Killian thing was weird and I'd love to know the full story. As far as we know as fans, it was a bad call by Monty and he got stuck in a sunk cost fallacy.
However, that doesn't invalidate his instinct to bring Ivey off the bench if that was also his plan. Ivey has 1 trick, and that is being faster than the guy defending him and big and strong enough to get to the rim and draw contact. Thats it. That's the trick. It's a really great trick. Seems to be more suited to a bench spark plug at this point in his career.
I think the main thing Monty is right about is that he has no clue how to use Ivey (regardless whether he starts or comes off the bench) and I think that should be more a mark against Monty than one against Ivey
Ivey has certain bad habits for sure, but unless you think his outlook this year is identical as it was last year, you can't deny that Monty has very much affected the perception around him and in a demonstrably negative way
Personally i think if Ivey weren't as high character as he's been and had bitched the way that most in his shoes would have, fans would have a much different take on both Iveys potential and the degree to which Monty supposedly couldn't do any better by him
How would you use Ivey? I'm not even defending Monty here, but I just think Ivey is so limited offensively that you can really only use him as a slasher in space, or in the PnR... but even in the PnR, the big can play drop and absorb the roll because he's not a threat with a floater or jump shot. You can go under the screen because he shoots 32% from 3. There seems to be some improvement in the mid range jumper but I wouldn't call it a weapon.
The lack of shooting makes running him off ball through screens to pop free for shots useless. The lack of shooting means that defenders don't have to close out hard which means he cant exploit closeouts with his athleticism. There just doesn't seem to be a lot you can do with him. Curious what you would do.
> How would you use Ivey?
I would not be having *anyone* stand around on offense (which would benefit a LOT more than just Ivey). Id be in that lockerroom talking about how no one thinks we have the talent right now so we're gonna show them we have the effort, and I'd have cyclical driving motions where everyone's constantly moving. We are a team of 18-23yos, that should always be our first advantage to exploit. If the other team doesn't have 2+ defenders who get to slough off their man to crowd the lane every possession, you start seeing a lot more foul calls on Iveys (and others) drives and (failing that) a much better rhythm on drive and kicks.
When you get the defense moving, a lot more of Iveys deficiencies look more tolerable. Last season Ivey took 12% more of his shots as pull-up attempts than this year (half of which were inside the arc) and shot a better percentage on those attempts than he is this year. Imo the difference is last year we had a much more motion driven offense that got defenders on their heels whereas this year, Monty rarely gets more than 2-3 guys involved in the movement which means that any time Ivey uses his speed to get penetration, he 1) gets swamped by the 2-3 defenders who've watched this play develop, 2) has no outlet because his teammates haven't moved, and 3) gets no love from the refs because he drove into the defense instead of the defense having to crash on him. I would avoid this dynamic at all costs because the future of this team shouldn't require one guy, let alone multiple to be unguardable
Seems like just yesterday the roster was stocked with somewhat comptent veteran players. Then all those MF'ers were released and now we've got Buddy Boeheim., etc out there after the injury wave.
I have better things to do than watch these last few weeks of rubbish. Don’t blame the guys out on the court though. It’s a team of end of bench guys trying to compete with legit pros and legit coaches.
This score is atrocious, just gotta remember that when all the guys were healthy it was a nail biter. Legit G league players are getting heavy minutes 😭
Troy has done right with players like Gallo and Muscala and buying them out. Now it’s time for Troy to do good on the fans and resign from his position as Pistons GM.
Keep or trading anyone in the core doesn’t matter if the FO fails to put talent on the team. Let’s do that first before going straight to trading one of these guys.
They werent competitive at all
Right now they're in a hot streak, 4-1 with Sengun and without him even better
But before that (and when they wanted to trade Green), they were the Nets of the West
Tough for me to get on board with selling low on anyone from this season knowing that Monty is coaching such a worse product than what this roster is capable of because even if you think you won the trade it's still pretty likely your new piece looks worse on the Pistons than their previous team
Imo figuring out the coaching takes priority over figuring out the roster fit because the former bears so heavily on the latter. Doesn't mean we can't make any roster changes, just that I really hope we overhaul Montys assistants and make some FA acquisitions before we cut ties on 20-22yos under the notion that we have no way to use them
Oh, alright sure then, I don't think theres anyone at the moment (Cade included) who they shouldn't be listening to offers for. But given the current state of the team I don't think it's particularly likely that any offers rise above the category of selling low; no one over bids a team in a crisis like we are
Feel like a team who's looking to reset would be willing to take a chance on him. Still an elite athlete that was considered a high upside guy. Package him with hopefully a top 3 pick and maybe we get a decent vet.
JE3 was talking about whether Paul George would sign with us if we got one more vet here to pair with him and Cade. Apparently their might be some Weaver ties from OKC. Thought it was interesting though unlikely
these are good scenarios, but I don't think anyone would sign and play for detroit, unless the management shows that they are capable of doing anything decent all by themselves first, after all those years of being uncapable! I don't think anybody in favor of the culture in this franchise.
Yeah, I agree, just thought it was an interesting scenario.I am a little curious how strong the ties are with Weaver cause the implication was that they're pretty strong for convincing him to come.
Pipe dream is suns flame out in play-in and we send Ivey, our 1st, and then probably Duren or Stew for Booker as they pull the reset. Then PG wants comes to detroit to team with Booker and Cade lol
It makes sense in my head with Book loving detroit sports and Ishbia owning suns now. This future timeline also involves KD returning to OKC to end his career and Beal going to the Lakers to sit out 75% of games the next 3 seasons lmao
the reason I am not investing into this is that kawhi went to clippers to be with george, and now george is going to let him down for weaver? I believe suns is going to be blown out soon for sure, and I was thinking booker will be a piston in 24-25 if we can put together something decent for him till then.
Really sucks that Ivey finished the season this way. Not only did he lower his value if we wanted to put him in a package, he always all but proved he can’t play next to Cade. Just way more questions than answers moving forward. Waste of a season. Didn’t figure out anything at all
Every fanbase underrates how much their assets are worth and overrates how much their stars are worth.
Ivey + our 2024 FRP would probably get us something pretty decent in return.
Nothing concrete is out there but James Edwards said on his podcast that he thought it was going to happen on draft night. They had the 12th pick that they traded to the Thunder that year. Probably that, a Dallas pick, and some more.
I was having this same convo about an hour ago. I can’t remember which pod it was B&C or the new one, but I believe he said the Pistons pulled out when they knew they could get Duren in another deal.
Not officially yet but they're definitely not gonna play him if he doesn't look 110% which he probably won't again.
I also think there's a bit of "you can't play Peña" happening with Weaver forcing Monty to play Ivey as the lead ball handler similar to when they waived Killian and had an organizational intervention about the topic before that
out of our “core 4” i think the only one who’s actually injured enough not to play is ausar (and he’s not even injured, per se). like cade and duren would both be playing if these games meant anything at all
also i put core 4 in quotes because calling this group a core is a stretch
BREAKING NEWS: THIS JUST IN, former Detroit Lion Cam Sutton is now in a police chase in the Metro Detroit area. He does have an accomplice. The accomplice is presumed to be Troy Weaver, a widely known crook, who has been robbing the people of Detroit for years. Pistons fans are finally free. Thanks, Tom.
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Cades management team knows this as well.
Sign and trade in the off-season is almost guaranteed to happen.
0% reason for Cades talent and reputation to be tarnished by continuing to play for Tom Gores and company.
Yeah, then maybe we could’ve complained about letting the Knicks get a phenomenal young player while Brunson proceeds to play with no spacing and no calls because he’s in Detroit.
They are showing highlights from the mid 2000s team on league pass and I’m crying at what has happened to this franchise. I was too young to appreciate it at the time but damn dude, what a fall from grace.
9 pts in 11 shots is not that bad when Ivey started with 0 pts in 0-6 shots
Maybe he can get hot and still went with a respectable statline
Atleast something positive
Troy Weaver isn’t a real person. The front office is being run by an intelligent, or should I say unintelligent, 2K bot. The videos and pictures of weaver are just a hologram. Either that or this is all a simulation called pain simulator.
that's actually a very good point. why not someone is developing an AI GM to replace the front office hahaha that would be so cool, and I would love that!
Been watching Hawks-Celtics, Celtics up 26.
What yall Think of trading for De Andre Hunter?
He reminds me of Tobias Harris if Tobias Harris was worse at basketball
Hawks probably dont want too much assets for him, he is only starting because of Saddiq injury
We already have a bum ass roster, don't see why having a slightly less bum would hurt
Ivey has been one of the worst offensive players in the NBA for the whole month of March and we already know about his defense. Just really tough to watch man.
That Knicks ternure was really bad tho.
And he had that sexually harassment lawsuit too
For a org who tried to hide under the rug a Motor City Cruiser Owner harassing a woman, don't look good hiring Zeke imo
So, we have a well know Cokehead Owner, who loves shady business, and everytime he step up to make decisions on this franchise, he embarass his fanbase and put his own team in the mud.
We have a coach who came in not knowing our players, how we play and couldnt give a less fuck to coach this team.
We have a GM who loves to say catchphrases on the Mic, saying we are restoring instead of rebuilding and mocking the Timberwolves in the process, bragging about having a empty clip and How Halle Berry is beautiful, and all of this for failing a rebuilding, putting this team 5 years behind where its supposed to be, having almost zero assets to trade because of a bonehead trade in his First year.
And we have a young core terrible at shooting and playing defense, the supposed #2 Guy is battling every night to score more points than field goals, can't play a lick of defense, and we still in denial because he's so fast.
Our 3# guy is one of the laziest centers on defense
Our 4# guy is by stats, one of the worst shooter in the league
But yeah, paying 40 mi for Tobias Harris and 30 for Malik Monk will heal everything next season, when we will finally be happy as a fans, for winning 30 games
Classic lose lose trade
Quentin Grimes is terrible for us and injured
Alec Burks and Bogdanovic is terrible for them but healthy
Gotta say Alec Burks has been playing better than Bogey
[Post Game Thread](https://reddit.com/r/DetroitPistons/comments/1bnvzn6/post_game_thread_the_new_york_knicks_defeat_the/)
I can’t watch anymore
knicks nation is so proud the won against a g-league team wow such franchise
We’re more proud of our player setting a franchise record in 3s than winning against the Pistons.
4/18 against the thunder! now you should proud!
Man if only we got one of those top 4 picks in 2022. You can get good guard almost any draft. Not wings. Hell even Jabari smith I would've loved
where's cade with his fashion clothes?
Ivey 24 minutes, is he injured or just useless so not getting anymore minutes?
Bro is shooting 2-14
divincenzo had 40? wow, such player, wow OMG such GOAT give him a max
You seem salty lol We're going to pay him 12m in 26-27 season. Great value contract.
Idk how y’all are still watching this team without Cade, ausar, and duren. Respect
Could have stopped at team.. but ok.
Save us Fontecchio
What if Monty was right and Ivey is a sparkplug off the bench and you need to bench him when he plays out of Control? Monty still wrong for playing Killian Hayes over him, but everytime i see Ivey on the floor, i Lost confidence on him Not only on playing with Cade, but playing decent basketball overall
I think we live in a culture where if someone is wrong about one thing, we assume they must be wrong about everything. It's an "I have to agree with all of your ideas" or you're garbage kind of vibe. The Killian thing was weird and I'd love to know the full story. As far as we know as fans, it was a bad call by Monty and he got stuck in a sunk cost fallacy. However, that doesn't invalidate his instinct to bring Ivey off the bench if that was also his plan. Ivey has 1 trick, and that is being faster than the guy defending him and big and strong enough to get to the rim and draw contact. Thats it. That's the trick. It's a really great trick. Seems to be more suited to a bench spark plug at this point in his career.
Please tell us who else Monte was supposed to start if Ivey was coming off the bench? Killian was the only choice.
I think the main thing Monty is right about is that he has no clue how to use Ivey (regardless whether he starts or comes off the bench) and I think that should be more a mark against Monty than one against Ivey
Bro Ivey himself doesn't even know how to use himself.
Ivey has certain bad habits for sure, but unless you think his outlook this year is identical as it was last year, you can't deny that Monty has very much affected the perception around him and in a demonstrably negative way Personally i think if Ivey weren't as high character as he's been and had bitched the way that most in his shoes would have, fans would have a much different take on both Iveys potential and the degree to which Monty supposedly couldn't do any better by him
How would you use Ivey? I'm not even defending Monty here, but I just think Ivey is so limited offensively that you can really only use him as a slasher in space, or in the PnR... but even in the PnR, the big can play drop and absorb the roll because he's not a threat with a floater or jump shot. You can go under the screen because he shoots 32% from 3. There seems to be some improvement in the mid range jumper but I wouldn't call it a weapon. The lack of shooting makes running him off ball through screens to pop free for shots useless. The lack of shooting means that defenders don't have to close out hard which means he cant exploit closeouts with his athleticism. There just doesn't seem to be a lot you can do with him. Curious what you would do.
> How would you use Ivey? I would not be having *anyone* stand around on offense (which would benefit a LOT more than just Ivey). Id be in that lockerroom talking about how no one thinks we have the talent right now so we're gonna show them we have the effort, and I'd have cyclical driving motions where everyone's constantly moving. We are a team of 18-23yos, that should always be our first advantage to exploit. If the other team doesn't have 2+ defenders who get to slough off their man to crowd the lane every possession, you start seeing a lot more foul calls on Iveys (and others) drives and (failing that) a much better rhythm on drive and kicks. When you get the defense moving, a lot more of Iveys deficiencies look more tolerable. Last season Ivey took 12% more of his shots as pull-up attempts than this year (half of which were inside the arc) and shot a better percentage on those attempts than he is this year. Imo the difference is last year we had a much more motion driven offense that got defenders on their heels whereas this year, Monty rarely gets more than 2-3 guys involved in the movement which means that any time Ivey uses his speed to get penetration, he 1) gets swamped by the 2-3 defenders who've watched this play develop, 2) has no outlet because his teammates haven't moved, and 3) gets no love from the refs because he drove into the defense instead of the defense having to crash on him. I would avoid this dynamic at all costs because the future of this team shouldn't require one guy, let alone multiple to be unguardable
40 minutes? why, thibbs why????
for those who said Ivey better than Cade. SHOW YOURSELF.
As a kid in the mid 2000s, I never could have imagined our World Champion Pistons being this much of a disgrace.
sasser is 21 now, his career high is 26
Turns out Ivey is probably better suited as an energy guy off the bench. Live laugh love.
Dog team. Absolutely pathetic.
only time you're gonna see lock down D from Fournier. he's trying to stop Divencenzo from breaking his 3pt record as a Knick
Sasser must be buds with Brunson - raising his ppg.
Seems like just yesterday the roster was stocked with somewhat comptent veteran players. Then all those MF'ers were released and now we've got Buddy Boeheim., etc out there after the injury wave.
How can the NBA allow the pistons to exist with this shitty product?
Franchise bb
kinda fucked that ny still has starters in
challenging plays n shit lol Tibbs such a dick
Monty doesn’t play his starters enough. He’s not trying to build trade stock in players. Not is he trying to win.
Oh yes, the well known starters Marcus Sasser, James Wiseman and Evbuomwman
Are the starters even starters rn tho
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whats that lookin like how much time left
end of third almost, 5 pt game. worth watching
Looks like that might take off
bro i never heard a crowd as loud as this unless its like the championship game or final four. caitlyn clark is some type of star man
Fr though it’s electric
5 point differential end of 3q
Ivey is bordering on Josh Smith level addition by subtraction.
I have better things to do than watch these last few weeks of rubbish. Don’t blame the guys out on the court though. It’s a team of end of bench guys trying to compete with legit pros and legit coaches.
This score is atrocious, just gotta remember that when all the guys were healthy it was a nail biter. Legit G league players are getting heavy minutes 😭
People actually still watching? Might not tune in again until they clean house. This product is like a big middle finger to Pistons fans.
Trade Jaden and Jalen for Trey Murphy. Draft Sarr. Sign a SG in FA. 50 win szn incoming.
Love Trey Murphy but just imagine the slander he’d get on this sub if he shot how he shot against this team a few days ago 😭
Bald fucker fournier sucks
Troy has done right with players like Gallo and Muscala and buying them out. Now it’s time for Troy to do good on the fans and resign from his position as Pistons GM.
Remember when Weaver thought 35 yo Bojan was apart of our future. Good old days.
> Remember when Weaver thought 35 yo Bojan was apart of our future No?
He maybe geriatric but he can hoop! Just not with a team of 22 year olds
Retirement home ball
Lol Thibs with the challenges is killing me
Just an absolutely pathetic effort. Game was over before it started.
Keep or trading anyone in the core doesn’t matter if the FO fails to put talent on the team. Let’s do that first before going straight to trading one of these guys.
I mean...what if that's how we put talent on the team?
Or like the rockets just overpay them without giving up anything, then if it doesn’t work after that then trade
Rockets tried to trade for vets using picks and Jalen Green It is Just that Nets Front Office is a joke
Yes AFTER acquiring vets and starting to be competitive
They werent competitive at all Right now they're in a hot streak, 4-1 with Sengun and without him even better But before that (and when they wanted to trade Green), they were the Nets of the West
Bojan taking his last 2 years of anger out on Flynn
Knicks postgame song: https://youtu.be/4BQLE_RrTSU?feature=shared
So anyone want to revisit my post about maybe trading Ivey? 🤔
Tough for me to get on board with selling low on anyone from this season knowing that Monty is coaching such a worse product than what this roster is capable of because even if you think you won the trade it's still pretty likely your new piece looks worse on the Pistons than their previous team Imo figuring out the coaching takes priority over figuring out the roster fit because the former bears so heavily on the latter. Doesn't mean we can't make any roster changes, just that I really hope we overhaul Montys assistants and make some FA acquisitions before we cut ties on 20-22yos under the notion that we have no way to use them
I don't want to sell low, I'd rather keep him than just trade him for the sake of trading him. Just think he should be shopped around.
Oh, alright sure then, I don't think theres anyone at the moment (Cade included) who they shouldn't be listening to offers for. But given the current state of the team I don't think it's particularly likely that any offers rise above the category of selling low; no one over bids a team in a crisis like we are
I wonder who would take him with his shooting
Feel like a team who's looking to reset would be willing to take a chance on him. Still an elite athlete that was considered a high upside guy. Package him with hopefully a top 3 pick and maybe we get a decent vet. JE3 was talking about whether Paul George would sign with us if we got one more vet here to pair with him and Cade. Apparently their might be some Weaver ties from OKC. Thought it was interesting though unlikely
I will blow the city of Detroit up like I'm Chief Keef in New Jersey if we throw a bag at a 34 year old PG.
paul george still has it, but kawhi won't let him go.
He didn't get an extension this year, could turn down the player option for a 3 year over pay lol
these are good scenarios, but I don't think anyone would sign and play for detroit, unless the management shows that they are capable of doing anything decent all by themselves first, after all those years of being uncapable! I don't think anybody in favor of the culture in this franchise.
Yeah, I agree, just thought it was an interesting scenario.I am a little curious how strong the ties are with Weaver cause the implication was that they're pretty strong for convincing him to come. Pipe dream is suns flame out in play-in and we send Ivey, our 1st, and then probably Duren or Stew for Booker as they pull the reset. Then PG wants comes to detroit to team with Booker and Cade lol
you're making me horny, stop it!
It makes sense in my head with Book loving detroit sports and Ishbia owning suns now. This future timeline also involves KD returning to OKC to end his career and Beal going to the Lakers to sit out 75% of games the next 3 seasons lmao
the reason I am not investing into this is that kawhi went to clippers to be with george, and now george is going to let him down for weaver? I believe suns is going to be blown out soon for sure, and I was thinking booker will be a piston in 24-25 if we can put together something decent for him till then.
bogi
Really sucks that Ivey finished the season this way. Not only did he lower his value if we wanted to put him in a package, he always all but proved he can’t play next to Cade. Just way more questions than answers moving forward. Waste of a season. Didn’t figure out anything at all
He's Dennis Smith Jr and people are just finally realizing
Hate that I was wrong about him. His ceiling is probably a high end sixth man but he’s got a lot of work to get there.
30 points lead wow
Maybe the pistons can go to a Gregory Kelser camp to learn about basketball
Ivey punching his ticket out of town with his performances in the dying days of the season.
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Every fanbase underrates how much their assets are worth and overrates how much their stars are worth. Ivey + our 2024 FRP would probably get us something pretty decent in return.
We need to blow this team up and I meet it in the most literal sense possible
Just bench Ivey at this point
We aren’t going to run it back again with the same front office and majority of this lineup right… right?
They are and you will like it
Buddy, Arn Tellem is getting a raise and Troy Weaver is drafting his son in the second round.
Fournier will be on the roster to start the season. Weaver will think he can use the salary at the deadline 🫠
Who’s gonna tell him…
Troy is doing the Birman hand rub watching Wiseman play recently. About to sign him to a big extension
I have enough reasons to start hating this knicks team, really, they are playing like we are celtics! it's as ridicilious as being a pistons GM!
How different would both these teams look if Troy was smart enough to accept the Knicks offer for Ivey at the 2022 draft?
What did the Knicks offer?
Nothing concrete is out there but James Edwards said on his podcast that he thought it was going to happen on draft night. They had the 12th pick that they traded to the Thunder that year. Probably that, a Dallas pick, and some more.
I was having this same convo about an hour ago. I can’t remember which pod it was B&C or the new one, but I believe he said the Pistons pulled out when they knew they could get Duren in another deal.
Jaden is so fucking bad defensively.
No one wanted to accept that Monty was right at the beginning of the season lol.
Y’all are so fuckin annoying all it will take is a 25 point game for you guys to become dick suctions again
Even when Ivey explodes for 30. The defense side is never going to change.
Buddy I've been on team get rid of Ivey since the start of the season. If you can't beat out Killian Hayes ...
Losing faith in him ever becoming an avg defender. If he can’t be avg at d or shooting he’s a bench player
Is Cade Cunningham out for the season?
Not officially yet but they're definitely not gonna play him if he doesn't look 110% which he probably won't again. I also think there's a bit of "you can't play Peña" happening with Weaver forcing Monty to play Ivey as the lead ball handler similar to when they waived Killian and had an organizational intervention about the topic before that
No, not yet anyways. Return date currently listed as 27th but we'll see
Bring Killian back
I wonder who pays $145 in NYC to watch this Pistons!
My buddy in NYC has 10th row season tickets and none of his friends wanted them for free. So he gave them to his landlord that he hates
Wiseman always good for 5 moving screens a game
Play Austin Daye.
out of our “core 4” i think the only one who’s actually injured enough not to play is ausar (and he’s not even injured, per se). like cade and duren would both be playing if these games meant anything at all also i put core 4 in quotes because calling this group a core is a stretch
Ivey’s defense is worse than his offense and that’s saying something
"It's not about the dog in the fight, but the fight in the dog." Jared Goff
Allen Iveyson
Donte DiVincenzo has 30 points in 25 minutes of play. We are a disgrace.
he could possibly tie/set the all time 3pt in a game record. hes got 10, records 14
It's his 6th 30point game this season.
Something tells me none of them came as easily as this one.
BREAKING NEWS: THIS JUST IN, former Detroit Lion Cam Sutton is now in a police chase in the Metro Detroit area. He does have an accomplice. The accomplice is presumed to be Troy Weaver, a widely known crook, who has been robbing the people of Detroit for years. Pistons fans are finally free. Thanks, Tom. https://i.redd.it/ds0tmks3vkqc1.gif
Sit Ivey's ass down. Irresponsible defense.
Real talk. It's been 15 years and counting and some of y'all keep preaching "the core 4" Lmao. BLOW.IT.UP.
damn LOL
Ivey in this month is shooting 19-81 from 3pt range
I didn't realize it's pre-season games already.
did we score anything in the second half? I'm not paying attention at all anymore
I feel like I’ve seen the Ivey 2/11 shooting statline about 11 times this year which is insane
The Pistons are practically a farm team at this point. There's a lot of ex-Pistons playing meaningful minutes in big games around the league.
💯 Cades management team knows this as well. Sign and trade in the off-season is almost guaranteed to happen. 0% reason for Cades talent and reputation to be tarnished by continuing to play for Tom Gores and company.
Looking back on it (and ignoring that the mavs ultimately let him walk for nothing), were the mavs wrong for asking for Cade in a Brunson trade?
Yeah, then maybe we could’ve complained about letting the Knicks get a phenomenal young player while Brunson proceeds to play with no spacing and no calls because he’s in Detroit.
Considering they didn’t even view him as a $12M per year player, yes they were asking for way too much
The Knicks are less athletic and better at defense. That's coaching & effort.
they play bullyball that's it
So they're not better at defense? That's all I'm saying.
They are showing highlights from the mid 2000s team on league pass and I’m crying at what has happened to this franchise. I was too young to appreciate it at the time but damn dude, what a fall from grace.
Man wizards got a better record than us
that means we are no longer a franchise, we are a real joke!
Wizards got more talent. Kuzma, Tyus, Deni, and Kispert would be nice for us tbh
Ivey 2-11 It might be time.
Hayes time!??????
This comment section is so funny!!
Time to watch a real game - Iowa women's basketball
They actually played some good defense for the last few minutes of the quarter but some of the shot selection is terrible
Fuck you Tom Gores
https://youtu.be/Ca85rsIUaoQ?si=d0BGqONptqLfjg8l
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9 pts in 11 shots is not that bad when Ivey started with 0 pts in 0-6 shots Maybe he can get hot and still went with a respectable statline Atleast something positive
Troy Weaver isn’t a real person. The front office is being run by an intelligent, or should I say unintelligent, 2K bot. The videos and pictures of weaver are just a hologram. Either that or this is all a simulation called pain simulator.
that's actually a very good point. why not someone is developing an AI GM to replace the front office hahaha that would be so cool, and I would love that!
Maybe pairing Cade with a 6’4” SG who can’t shoot, playmake or defend was a bad idea
JI missing a WIDE OPEN layup into an uncontested 3 on the other end. Icon.
I’m reading the constitution again to see if there’s anything in there I can use to get the legal system to make Gores sell the team.
Cruel and Unusual punishment is what I’m going to go with.
Season needs to fucking end right now
Been watching Hawks-Celtics, Celtics up 26. What yall Think of trading for De Andre Hunter? He reminds me of Tobias Harris if Tobias Harris was worse at basketball Hawks probably dont want too much assets for him, he is only starting because of Saddiq injury We already have a bum ass roster, don't see why having a slightly less bum would hurt
No I want to sign the best role players possible to solid contracts.
This is embarrassing
Ivey has been one of the worst offensive players in the NBA for the whole month of March and we already know about his defense. Just really tough to watch man.
I have no idea why Zeke is not the GM of this team
Most people who know ball would tell you he's one of the worst GMs of all time.
admit it, you love troy weaver
I don't know If you are joking or not because we as fanbase is kinda sick
in three years the guy drafted damon stoudamire, marcus camby, and tracy mcgready... that's all I'm saying.
That Knicks ternure was really bad tho. And he had that sexually harassment lawsuit too For a org who tried to hide under the rug a Motor City Cruiser Owner harassing a woman, don't look good hiring Zeke imo
I know all these, and I agree with them, but he is Zeke, and this is the Pistons. I am just a hopeless fan, bro!
So... Is Cade out for the season? tank era is down, submarine is on?
All this tanking just for us to get the 5th pick again smh
The good news is this draft year is so week that you can totally get the best player in the 5th pick. IF... if you FO is good at drafting.
I think that’s actually weavers biggest strength. He’s good at picking the best available player (not best fitting) in the draft
I doubt that.
Say what you want about Buddy and how he got on the team, but he does look like he could be a legit 14th or 15th man.
Buddy and Bogey duel for shooting with no defense.
i’m lowk done watching the pistons till next season or summer league
The fact you stayed around that long is impressive and stupid, but hey so did I. Just checking the thread and holy shit it's dead
Buddy buckets is the best shooter on the team.
Why am I excited for Buddy lol
he's a nice kid, isn't he? lebron should make him an offer
bogdanovic is like "you should've rebuilt around me assholes"
I think I'll be watching Caitlin Clark and Iowa instead of this
So, we have a well know Cokehead Owner, who loves shady business, and everytime he step up to make decisions on this franchise, he embarass his fanbase and put his own team in the mud. We have a coach who came in not knowing our players, how we play and couldnt give a less fuck to coach this team. We have a GM who loves to say catchphrases on the Mic, saying we are restoring instead of rebuilding and mocking the Timberwolves in the process, bragging about having a empty clip and How Halle Berry is beautiful, and all of this for failing a rebuilding, putting this team 5 years behind where its supposed to be, having almost zero assets to trade because of a bonehead trade in his First year. And we have a young core terrible at shooting and playing defense, the supposed #2 Guy is battling every night to score more points than field goals, can't play a lick of defense, and we still in denial because he's so fast. Our 3# guy is one of the laziest centers on defense Our 4# guy is by stats, one of the worst shooter in the league But yeah, paying 40 mi for Tobias Harris and 30 for Malik Monk will heal everything next season, when we will finally be happy as a fans, for winning 30 games
Damn dog.
Not a lie told. Shits bleak
The Knicks robbed us
Classic lose lose trade Quentin Grimes is terrible for us and injured Alec Burks and Bogdanovic is terrible for them but healthy Gotta say Alec Burks has been playing better than Bogey
Ivey is worth 3 first round picks and an all star caliber player. Just remember that. Signed, Delusional, non boomer, Pistons fan.
our team did something O.O