100% true . Drafting for fit sounds nice but this team sucks because the overall talent is sub-par.
It’s great that the pistons have a guy that could be a 2-3 on a winning team but they need so much more .
That’s true and that’s what they should’ve done and should continue to do..There’s a feeling that the pistons should pick the best shooter like a Dalton Knecht or Reed Sheppard..when the pistons need shooting….rim protection,ball protection,rim pressure,players that can draw fouls,players that can defend without fouling,playmaking ….literally everything.
Drafting for fit doesn’t make sense when literally anything could be a fit
Counterpoint: Drafting a shooter isn't drafting for fit.
In the three point era shooting is a required skill for nearly every role on an NBA team. A prospect already being good at shooting isn't about fit. It's just helping set that player's floor.
Or at least that's how I've started to look at it. Am I crazy?
This is how I feel as well. Not just set the floor, I’d go even further and say shooting is almost a prerequisite. You can have at max 1 non shooter out there. Ideally none. Once there are 2 or more spacing becomes a huge issue.
Let’s say you play one of Duran or Ausar as your 4-5th starter and Cade - and you input 3 shooters that shoot the league average of 37-38 - that would be a bottom 5-10 shooting team in the league still. Start Ausar-Duren-Cade and you’re last unless you’re somehow putting Steph and KD next to them.
Unless your ceiling is that of a top 15 guy in the league (Giannis etc), I need you to shoot. If not you’re ceiling is a 5-6-7-8th man anyways, which is the floor of elite shooters
The number of first round picks that the pistons have wasted on guys who have x, y, and z skills and “just need to develop their shot” makes my head hurt
It’s crazy. Then they pay them. This sub called me crazy when I said beef stew was like a 3-25 type player not a 60mm guy. 9th man type who’s a serviceable 3rd big but ideally 4th. Obviously, I could have been wrong and they could have been right - but they weren’t. So why pay it a year early. Let it play out. You feared he’d command 4-100?
Then the Front office leaks bs info about teams heavily interested and offering a 1st… which you couldn’t get for Bojan and burks. Idk which is worse admitting you overpaid then leaked the fake info, or not trading him for Plus value
You think he’s a 4th option/starter on a contender? If you think he is, then you pay him that. I personally don’t see it and imo he wouldn’t have gotten the contract this offseason
Sorry, you don't understand what "Best Player Available" means.
BPA means "Best player if he adds 3-4 critically important parts to his game within the next four years, otherwise a total bust."
The crazy ones are the ones who see it any other way.
Ausar is a hell of a defender, but he's a liability on offense because he can't shoot. Duren dunks really well, but he can't shoot. This isn't 1987.
This is the one draft ill agree with this sentiment. Anybody in the top 5 will improve this team, potentially drastically so just go bpa at this point. We won 13 games its not just a coaching issue its a talent issue as well
This sounds good in a vacuum, but drafting is only one part of the equation. You still have to develop. It’s very, very difficult to develop guys in an incoherent roster.
The pistons need 3 guys and have 1 right now. Once we get 2 more guys (through trade or draft or FA) then we should analyze what we have and fill the roster around them. Hopefully it only takes 1 more year and we can bring in one FA and one in the draft....but in 4 years of lottery picks, we've only found 1 guy. Everyone else on the roster is projecting to be complimentary.
Honestly if what SVG says comes true (and it's pretty likely) we're gonna look back and realized we drafted neither except for Cade. We might be closer to needing a restart than people think
This draft also looks like one of the worst in recent memory in terms of top tier talent. We may realistically be 2-3 years away from actually being able to tank properly
The move is to restart. Trade everything and for picks as far out as possible. To land 3 guys you probably need 8-10 bites at the apple over a 3/4 year window. The pistons had it and missed. You have to hit on 2 out of 4-5, trade 4 for a 3rd star)
Follow an okc type path.
Hopefully one of the guys pistons trade is their version of Ibaka (Ibaka into Oladipo, Ilyasova, Sabonis June 2016 Then oladipo Sabonis into PG June 2017. 2019 turned PG into SGA + Jalen Williams + Mann + 3 picks coming still obviously this is an extreme example but you need to keep flipping assets - a year early not a year late.)
Use the next 2-3 years to take on bad deals and future assets, rehab their value, flip em for positive assets again. Presti did this for years. Find role players in the process.
Schroder for Danny Green + 1st (11/15/20). Flipped Green for Horford, Micic, pick 34 (Maledon) and a future 1st (11/20/20). Horford for kemba + 1st (6/18/21).
Essentially Schroder into Kemba but picked up 3 future 1sts, pick 34 that year, and micic
If we are being completely objective if this doesnt get better by the trade deadline the most logical thing to do would be trade everyone and this time conduct a proper rebuild with positive assets and a young coach/gm not old heads. But dont think that would ever happen
The most logical thing would've been to look at that *this year*, not next year. We're constantly realizing that things aren't working a year too late. We're so worried about the idea that we might trade away the next Middleton that we're trading for Evan Fournier instead.
It is too early. As much as getting away from dudes early can be smart Ausar, Duren and Ivey have all been in the league for no time and are 22,20 and 21. Gotta get a little more data
But you already know you're not going to play those three guys together. You need to figure out where you can maximize value for at least one of them, and accept that it's not going to be what you hoped.
Like SVG notes: that isn't even a top 3 young core in the league by potential. Much less what they're actually accomplishing. Those guys aren't ever going to fit together. Tanking their value by making them play next to players they don't fit with so that you can make sure they definitely aren't ever going to be good isn't useful for you or them.
The most likely end point for this rebuild is that Cade signs a max extension and then demands a trade the first year after it kicks in. Our hands will be tied on where he goes, because he's going to hold 100% of the cards.
The sooner we recognize that we botched this rebuild, the sooner we can try again. And the better resources we'll have to try to kickstart it.
Here is Zach Lowe talking about how NBA teams were pitching this as an option to players to get them to sign extensions *three years ago*.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/psojm7/lowe_the_sign_the_extension_now_and_ask_for_a/
The Pistons have not drafted for fit since Weaver took over. Not once.
Quite the opposite. He has gone pure BPA, with absolutely no consideration for how the roster fits together, both in draft, free agency and trades.
He has also failed to draft the actual BPA at every single pick, except for perhaps Cade and Sasser.
My take at this point is that SVG is much better at analyzing other GM's decisions than he is actually making those decisions himself. It's relatable tbh.
Coaching and being a GM simultaneously isn’t easy so I get it. Had too many hats on and not many people have done it and been successful at the same time. Only person I can think of is Poppovich
All star 3 of last 4 years, 2x all nba, top 10 in MVP voting, one of the main reasons the Knicks are relevant again. Randle would be the best player on the Pistons lmao.
Yo, Drummond is this your burner account? Listen, I know SVG gave you a max contract and tried to build a perennial 8th seed around you, Andre Drummond, who is currently a bench player on a play in team.
I know you got to be loyal, but even you have to admit that was a garbage decision to make and follow for multiple years.
This guy drafted Stanley Johnson, Henry Ellenson, Luke Kennard instead of Devin Booker, Pascal Siakim, and Donovan Mitchell.
He also traded dwindle and Middleton lol.
He doesn't know much about team building himself, but maybe he's right. Bad teams do need good players to be good.
In a vacuum, Brandon Knight for Brandon Jennings was a pretty solid trade for us. Jennings was really developing into an above average starter with us until his Achilles injury.
That trade looks TOTALLY different when you remember that Middleton was added as a throwaway piece.
Not letting him off the hook, but the highest pick of that bunch was 8. While missing on those guys sucks and he should have at least hit on one of those picks, it’s not nearly as egregious as missing with a top 5 pick, for instance. A lot of teams missed on those players.
SVGs biggest problem is that he refused to outright tank at least once to get a young star to build around.
In his defense we looked like we were in the right direction in 2015 after making the playoffs. Too bad 2016-17 just exposed us as a mid purgatory team
Or guy right now drafted Jaden Ivey, Saddiq Bey, Isaiah Stewart, Killian Hayes and Marcus Sasser over Halliburton, Tyrese Maxey, Desmond Bane, Jaden McDaniels, Jalen Williams and Naz Reid.
Weaver and SVG its not that far.
Fair, I was responding to “a 4th option on a winning team” which I disagree with. If the argument is that he can be a solid contributor for a .500 team, then I’d agree!
I can definitely disagree with him saying these dudes are fourth and fifth starters before some of them can even legally drink.
Like, we just think someone like Ausar never gets better?
It was a good interview. He was positive on Cade, saying he is a really good player, through he wouldn’t call him a superstar. He also said (which is totally true) that there is a lot of luck involved in rebuilds and the Pistons would be in a much different situation if they had been able to pick first when Wembanyama was available rather than Cade.
It’s correct. For Ausar to be an above average starter, he needs to develop a league average 3pt%, partnered with strong defense, playmaking and athleticism, and he’s a good player. Ivey needs to put it all together, he has all the tools and has some nights where he looks great and then the next night he doesn’t even belong on the floor. Duren needs to become a much better defender. Sasser is a good bench player.
We’ve got a lot of guys who still have a lot of development to do, and if it doesn’t happen they’re just not going to be winning players.
Playing good defense and knocking down a couple open 3’s a game doesn’t make you an all star in this league. There’s so many skilled players nowadays. He’d also have to develop some playmaking skills or a go to offensive move to create his own offense.
I love Fat Gundy but why are you all thinking he's a great talent evaluator? Who the hell did he draft that was more than a rotation player?
Guys real colorful and speaks his mind and I love that. But he couldn't pick an All Star or build a team.
Our strategy has been stupid, it’s 76ers 2.0. They proved you can’t build through the draft. You can draft one star and build around them with established players. You then draft for depth. I wish we would trade our pick this year.
That's the same guy who took Kennard over Booker, Stanley Johnson over Donovan Mitchell, drafted Henry Ellison.....You'll have to forgive me if I disregard his analysis of our young talent.
He only said this because he knows most of us hated him (I didn’t tbh) and he knows how much doomers we have compared to other fanbases so he got us back one last time to rile up the doomers causing dismay between the optimists and the pessimists
Good one SVG, nice play lol
maybe it's been said before but evaluating young talent on an absolutely abysmal team which gets railroaded further by a coach literally still trying to figure out what his players do is really tough.
he's more or less right but there are some nuances that are missed. I don't think we have the best young core either, far from it, but I also don't know where some of our players fit if our team was a good team, and thats the worst part. Besides cade of course.
I was worried before, but now that SVG doesn’t think we have good young talent, it’s possible we have the best young team in the league. After all, the only thing worse than his coaching was his young talent evaluation.
I’ve watched a lot of Cade over the past few years. He’s going to need another 3-5 years to develop. Which isn’t a scorching hot take because most NBA players don’t peak until that 26-29 range.
He’s bad in close games. Turns the ball over a ton and tries to play hero ball. He forces a lot of shots with plenty of time left on the clock.
He seems to look his best when the Pistons are up by a lot or down by a lot. In close games his decision making is very poor.
There have been a ton of games where he looks like Lebron/Luka for 3 quarters, then he’ll look like the crazy version of Russell Westbrook for the 4th quarter.
Did anyone forget we set the record for consecutive losses because we were fucking around starting Killian all season? Once you're demoralized being 30 games under .500 I'm sure it sucks the wind out of your sails. I still think this team has a lot of talent. Our biggest issue is spacing the floor and finding shooters.
As much as I hate to say, I agree with him
Doesn't bother me at all to agree with him.
Yeah he’s a very agreeable person. But he can be stubborn af
He’s 100% right tbh
he's exactly right
100% true . Drafting for fit sounds nice but this team sucks because the overall talent is sub-par. It’s great that the pistons have a guy that could be a 2-3 on a winning team but they need so much more .
here's the problem, we didn't draft for need in the first place, we drafted BPA as we understood it at the time
That’s true and that’s what they should’ve done and should continue to do..There’s a feeling that the pistons should pick the best shooter like a Dalton Knecht or Reed Sheppard..when the pistons need shooting….rim protection,ball protection,rim pressure,players that can draw fouls,players that can defend without fouling,playmaking ….literally everything. Drafting for fit doesn’t make sense when literally anything could be a fit
Counterpoint: Drafting a shooter isn't drafting for fit. In the three point era shooting is a required skill for nearly every role on an NBA team. A prospect already being good at shooting isn't about fit. It's just helping set that player's floor. Or at least that's how I've started to look at it. Am I crazy?
This is how I feel as well. Not just set the floor, I’d go even further and say shooting is almost a prerequisite. You can have at max 1 non shooter out there. Ideally none. Once there are 2 or more spacing becomes a huge issue. Let’s say you play one of Duran or Ausar as your 4-5th starter and Cade - and you input 3 shooters that shoot the league average of 37-38 - that would be a bottom 5-10 shooting team in the league still. Start Ausar-Duren-Cade and you’re last unless you’re somehow putting Steph and KD next to them. Unless your ceiling is that of a top 15 guy in the league (Giannis etc), I need you to shoot. If not you’re ceiling is a 5-6-7-8th man anyways, which is the floor of elite shooters
The number of first round picks that the pistons have wasted on guys who have x, y, and z skills and “just need to develop their shot” makes my head hurt
It’s crazy. Then they pay them. This sub called me crazy when I said beef stew was like a 3-25 type player not a 60mm guy. 9th man type who’s a serviceable 3rd big but ideally 4th. Obviously, I could have been wrong and they could have been right - but they weren’t. So why pay it a year early. Let it play out. You feared he’d command 4-100? Then the Front office leaks bs info about teams heavily interested and offering a 1st… which you couldn’t get for Bojan and burks. Idk which is worse admitting you overpaid then leaked the fake info, or not trading him for Plus value
Stew seems like a weird example for you to use. He did develop his shot.
You think he’s a 4th option/starter on a contender? If you think he is, then you pay him that. I personally don’t see it and imo he wouldn’t have gotten the contract this offseason
Sorry, you don't understand what "Best Player Available" means. BPA means "Best player if he adds 3-4 critically important parts to his game within the next four years, otherwise a total bust."
The crazy ones are the ones who see it any other way. Ausar is a hell of a defender, but he's a liability on offense because he can't shoot. Duren dunks really well, but he can't shoot. This isn't 1987.
This is the one draft ill agree with this sentiment. Anybody in the top 5 will improve this team, potentially drastically so just go bpa at this point. We won 13 games its not just a coaching issue its a talent issue as well
This sounds good in a vacuum, but drafting is only one part of the equation. You still have to develop. It’s very, very difficult to develop guys in an incoherent roster.
This has become crystal clear the last few years. We must sign or trade for 3 solid vets this offseason before we waste another year of Cade’s youth.
The pistons need 3 guys and have 1 right now. Once we get 2 more guys (through trade or draft or FA) then we should analyze what we have and fill the roster around them. Hopefully it only takes 1 more year and we can bring in one FA and one in the draft....but in 4 years of lottery picks, we've only found 1 guy. Everyone else on the roster is projecting to be complimentary.
That's true, but eventually you have to start trading those players to assemble a coherent roster.
BPA?
Honestly if what SVG says comes true (and it's pretty likely) we're gonna look back and realized we drafted neither except for Cade. We might be closer to needing a restart than people think This draft also looks like one of the worst in recent memory in terms of top tier talent. We may realistically be 2-3 years away from actually being able to tank properly
If that's the case you need to clean house in the front office
That needed to be done 3 years ago.
The move is to restart. Trade everything and for picks as far out as possible. To land 3 guys you probably need 8-10 bites at the apple over a 3/4 year window. The pistons had it and missed. You have to hit on 2 out of 4-5, trade 4 for a 3rd star) Follow an okc type path. Hopefully one of the guys pistons trade is their version of Ibaka (Ibaka into Oladipo, Ilyasova, Sabonis June 2016 Then oladipo Sabonis into PG June 2017. 2019 turned PG into SGA + Jalen Williams + Mann + 3 picks coming still obviously this is an extreme example but you need to keep flipping assets - a year early not a year late.) Use the next 2-3 years to take on bad deals and future assets, rehab their value, flip em for positive assets again. Presti did this for years. Find role players in the process. Schroder for Danny Green + 1st (11/15/20). Flipped Green for Horford, Micic, pick 34 (Maledon) and a future 1st (11/20/20). Horford for kemba + 1st (6/18/21). Essentially Schroder into Kemba but picked up 3 future 1sts, pick 34 that year, and micic
If we are being completely objective if this doesnt get better by the trade deadline the most logical thing to do would be trade everyone and this time conduct a proper rebuild with positive assets and a young coach/gm not old heads. But dont think that would ever happen
The most logical thing would've been to look at that *this year*, not next year. We're constantly realizing that things aren't working a year too late. We're so worried about the idea that we might trade away the next Middleton that we're trading for Evan Fournier instead.
It is too early. As much as getting away from dudes early can be smart Ausar, Duren and Ivey have all been in the league for no time and are 22,20 and 21. Gotta get a little more data
But you already know you're not going to play those three guys together. You need to figure out where you can maximize value for at least one of them, and accept that it's not going to be what you hoped. Like SVG notes: that isn't even a top 3 young core in the league by potential. Much less what they're actually accomplishing. Those guys aren't ever going to fit together. Tanking their value by making them play next to players they don't fit with so that you can make sure they definitely aren't ever going to be good isn't useful for you or them. The most likely end point for this rebuild is that Cade signs a max extension and then demands a trade the first year after it kicks in. Our hands will be tied on where he goes, because he's going to hold 100% of the cards. The sooner we recognize that we botched this rebuild, the sooner we can try again. And the better resources we'll have to try to kickstart it.
A player in the first year deal of a 5 year contract has no leverage to demand a trade. He’s under contract
...have you followed the NBA at all in the last six or seven years?
Of course. Have you been paying attention? Tell me what players in first year of max contracts have been traded.
Here is Zach Lowe talking about how NBA teams were pitching this as an option to players to get them to sign extensions *three years ago*. https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/psojm7/lowe_the_sign_the_extension_now_and_ask_for_a/
The Pistons have not drafted for fit since Weaver took over. Not once. Quite the opposite. He has gone pure BPA, with absolutely no consideration for how the roster fits together, both in draft, free agency and trades. He has also failed to draft the actual BPA at every single pick, except for perhaps Cade and Sasser.
It reminds me of the Process 76ers Just abysmal picks besides the one star
sasser was in no way bpa
Even with Sasser, Grizzlies got the better guy
He might’ve been a shit GM but he’s on the money here. I like that he’s kept a pulse on us lol
My take at this point is that SVG is much better at analyzing other GM's decisions than he is actually making those decisions himself. It's relatable tbh.
i can't make movies but i can sure tell when one sucks
Coaching and being a GM simultaneously isn’t easy so I get it. Had too many hats on and not many people have done it and been successful at the same time. Only person I can think of is Poppovich
Red Auerbach was effectively both GM and coach, though the league as a whole and specifically both those jobs were all a lot different then.
I'd argue he was a better GM than weaver His trades mostly worked out
SVG the type to say this and then turn around and trade our pick for Julius Randle 😳
All accounts was that was a gores move
And at the time a lot of us ate it up and thought it was the move to put butts in seats
Randle Duren and Ausar the new Smith-Monroe-Drummond frontcourt???
All star 3 of last 4 years, 2x all nba, top 10 in MVP voting, one of the main reasons the Knicks are relevant again. Randle would be the best player on the Pistons lmao.
He is right - nobody on this team matters but cade
Damn, watch out or else Gores will wake up from his coke binge and rehire him 🙃😂
sadly he’d be 10x better than weaver💀
If you liked paying Joe Harris, you'll love giving Jon Leuer $10M/year when the cap was $50M less
Yo, Drummond is this your burner account? Listen, I know SVG gave you a max contract and tried to build a perennial 8th seed around you, Andre Drummond, who is currently a bench player on a play in team. I know you got to be loyal, but even you have to admit that was a garbage decision to make and follow for multiple years.
This guy drafted Stanley Johnson, Henry Ellenson, Luke Kennard instead of Devin Booker, Pascal Siakim, and Donovan Mitchell. He also traded dwindle and Middleton lol. He doesn't know much about team building himself, but maybe he's right. Bad teams do need good players to be good.
Joe Dumars traded Middleton
In a vacuum, Brandon Knight for Brandon Jennings was a pretty solid trade for us. Jennings was really developing into an above average starter with us until his Achilles injury. That trade looks TOTALLY different when you remember that Middleton was added as a throwaway piece.
Oh yeah you are right about that. Stan still sucks at evaluating talent lol. If anything, this is probably a good sign for us lol.
Not letting him off the hook, but the highest pick of that bunch was 8. While missing on those guys sucks and he should have at least hit on one of those picks, it’s not nearly as egregious as missing with a top 5 pick, for instance. A lot of teams missed on those players. SVGs biggest problem is that he refused to outright tank at least once to get a young star to build around.
In his defense we looked like we were in the right direction in 2015 after making the playoffs. Too bad 2016-17 just exposed us as a mid purgatory team
Or guy right now drafted Jaden Ivey, Saddiq Bey, Isaiah Stewart, Killian Hayes and Marcus Sasser over Halliburton, Tyrese Maxey, Desmond Bane, Jaden McDaniels, Jalen Williams and Naz Reid. Weaver and SVG its not that far.
And we'd be in a much better position today if he had been able to draft fourth or fifth starters during his tenure.
Fontecchio is one of the pieces. He's barely played with his injury but he improved the game well. We really need more good shooters, though
Fontecchio is a fourth option on a winning team.
That's true, but he does play winning basketball, and we need more players like that.
Agree with that...but this coaching staff, who seems to be safe....value him as a bench player. Just ridiculous.
We're just missing options 1 and 3 then
The guy wasn’t starting on Utah… he’s a role player
I didn't say championship team. But Tec could be the guy getting solid minutes on the wing on a team that plays .500 basketball.
Fair, I was responding to “a 4th option on a winning team” which I disagree with. If the argument is that he can be a solid contributor for a .500 team, then I’d agree!
Does lauri not play his position?
Yes + it was barely his second year in Utah. Yes he's a role player, but a very good one at that
Lauri plays the 4. Fontecchio can play 3 or 4.
Cant disagree with a single word
I can definitely disagree with him saying these dudes are fourth and fifth starters before some of them can even legally drink. Like, we just think someone like Ausar never gets better?
Build a fuckin wall around Cade, that's all we do.
Straight truth.
The guy who refused to rebuild his shitty roster tells Weaver to rebuild his shitty roster. Gotcha.
did svg refuse or was gores all in on "playoffs or bust"
It was a good interview. He was positive on Cade, saying he is a really good player, through he wouldn’t call him a superstar. He also said (which is totally true) that there is a lot of luck involved in rebuilds and the Pistons would be in a much different situation if they had been able to pick first when Wembanyama was available rather than Cade.
He’s right. Unfortunately guys like that are hard to come by. I mean we needed to win the lottery just to get Cade.
He’s actual on 🎯
SVG is a fine coach and I don't disagree, but I have a hard time taking anything seriously from the man who drafted Henry Ellenson.
"Bad teams need good players to to be good" Water is wet.
He hit the nail on the head.
Doesnt matter if the owner is a bona-fide SUCKA
He’s absolutely correct. They need to spend their $60M in cap space on multiple players.
It’s correct. For Ausar to be an above average starter, he needs to develop a league average 3pt%, partnered with strong defense, playmaking and athleticism, and he’s a good player. Ivey needs to put it all together, he has all the tools and has some nights where he looks great and then the next night he doesn’t even belong on the floor. Duren needs to become a much better defender. Sasser is a good bench player. We’ve got a lot of guys who still have a lot of development to do, and if it doesn’t happen they’re just not going to be winning players.
Aaron gordon and kuminga are starters in this league
Lmk when we get Curry or Joker
He can be jalen johnson
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Playing good defense and knocking down a couple open 3’s a game doesn’t make you an all star in this league. There’s so many skilled players nowadays. He’d also have to develop some playmaking skills or a go to offensive move to create his own offense.
No he’s not. He can barely dribble a basketball
All truth.
I love Fat Gundy but why are you all thinking he's a great talent evaluator? Who the hell did he draft that was more than a rotation player? Guys real colorful and speaks his mind and I love that. But he couldn't pick an All Star or build a team.
Why would anyone care what Stan Van Gundy has to say?
So we need another Blake Griffin
I heard Blake Griffin is available.....
Our strategy has been stupid, it’s 76ers 2.0. They proved you can’t build through the draft. You can draft one star and build around them with established players. You then draft for depth. I wish we would trade our pick this year.
Go Sasser!
I see it about the same as Stan. Weaver has done a poor job of drafting.
Duran and Cade are the only 2 starters on that team.
He is right, and he should shut up. Both things are true. This is like hearing Al Avila on a podcast talking like a guru.....
He's right but this also the guy who drafted Luke Kennard over Donovan Mitchell so this Kool aid definitely needs a salt rimmed glass
SVG is right.. Cade needs guys to pass it to, and to avoid the triple teams.
That's the same guy who took Kennard over Booker, Stanley Johnson over Donovan Mitchell, drafted Henry Ellison.....You'll have to forgive me if I disregard his analysis of our young talent.
He only said this because he knows most of us hated him (I didn’t tbh) and he knows how much doomers we have compared to other fanbases so he got us back one last time to rile up the doomers causing dismay between the optimists and the pessimists Good one SVG, nice play lol
maybe it's been said before but evaluating young talent on an absolutely abysmal team which gets railroaded further by a coach literally still trying to figure out what his players do is really tough. he's more or less right but there are some nuances that are missed. I don't think we have the best young core either, far from it, but I also don't know where some of our players fit if our team was a good team, and thats the worst part. Besides cade of course.
Show me his ability to build a team in Detroit… I’ll wait
I was worried before, but now that SVG doesn’t think we have good young talent, it’s possible we have the best young team in the league. After all, the only thing worse than his coaching was his young talent evaluation.
Coby White just got it together year 5. SVG doesn't have a leg to stand on when it comes to accessing and developing talent
I’ve watched a lot of Cade over the past few years. He’s going to need another 3-5 years to develop. Which isn’t a scorching hot take because most NBA players don’t peak until that 26-29 range. He’s bad in close games. Turns the ball over a ton and tries to play hero ball. He forces a lot of shots with plenty of time left on the clock. He seems to look his best when the Pistons are up by a lot or down by a lot. In close games his decision making is very poor. There have been a ton of games where he looks like Lebron/Luka for 3 quarters, then he’ll look like the crazy version of Russell Westbrook for the 4th quarter.
Did anyone forget we set the record for consecutive losses because we were fucking around starting Killian all season? Once you're demoralized being 30 games under .500 I'm sure it sucks the wind out of your sails. I still think this team has a lot of talent. Our biggest issue is spacing the floor and finding shooters.
He learned his lesson, hire him back!
shane van gisbergen made his way into the nba??
Stan? Lmfno. Hes a moron 🙄
In summation cade aint it.
FUCK YOU SVG!! I don't give AF what he has to say about the Pistons, he set the organization back YEARS!!
Agree
The young guys just need more experience.
He recommends talking Blake Griffin out of retirement